:00:00. > :00:00.Plenty for Labour supporters to like, but what was there to woo
:00:00. > :00:31.Complimented for his delivery of the speech, but is Jeremy Corbyn
:00:32. > :00:34.doing enough to deliver Labour the next General Election?
:00:35. > :00:37.And steel production returned to Lanarkshire today -
:00:38. > :00:48.is it a good omen for the rest of the Scottish economy?
:00:49. > :00:53.Many observers seemed to think Labour's leader delivered one
:00:54. > :00:56.of his best Conference speeches to date this afternoon.
:00:57. > :00:58.For Labour supporters, particularly those on the left
:00:59. > :01:04.of the party, there was a great deal to like, but what about the rest?
:01:05. > :01:06.And more importantly, was there anything there that might
:01:07. > :01:08.tempt one-time Labour voters who switched to the SNP,
:01:09. > :01:12.Tories or UKIP at the last General Election back into the fold?
:01:13. > :01:24.Having won the battle to lead his party, Jeremy Corbyn now needs to
:01:25. > :01:31.win the battle to lead his country and that means policies which voters
:01:32. > :01:36.will buy. Before that, a quick reminder as to who is in charge. I
:01:37. > :01:39.am honoured, deeply honoured, to have been re-elected by our party
:01:40. > :01:45.for a second time with an even bigger mandate. And then on how
:01:46. > :01:50.Labour can an election. At the heart of that were ten key pledges. For
:01:51. > :01:55.full employment, a home is guaranteed, security at work, a
:01:56. > :02:01.strong, public National Health Service and social care. A national
:02:02. > :02:06.education service for all. Action on climate change. Public ownership and
:02:07. > :02:10.control of our services. A cut in inequality of income and wealth.
:02:11. > :02:18.Action to secure an equal society and peace and justice at the heart
:02:19. > :02:22.of our foreign policy. Ben Mr Corbyn said voters needed to be convinced
:02:23. > :02:29.that the two divisions within Labour were a thing of the past. We all
:02:30. > :02:32.agree on that. So I asked each and every one of you to accept the
:02:33. > :02:38.decision of the members, end the trench warfare and work together to
:02:39. > :02:42.take on the Tories. He devoted much of his speech to attacking the
:02:43. > :02:47.Conservatives. There was no reference to the SNP, and only a
:02:48. > :02:52.brief mention for Scottish Labour. We know there will be local
:02:53. > :02:57.elections next May in Scotland, where we won three council
:02:58. > :03:01.by-elections in the summer, in Wales. Thank you Labour Scotland.
:03:02. > :03:07.The key message of Jeremy Corbyn's speed was to prepare Labour for a
:03:08. > :03:12.snap election. Conference, United we can shape the future and build a
:03:13. > :03:18.fairer Britain in a peaceful world. Thank you. So what did party members
:03:19. > :03:22.make of the speech? He says the right things and the people
:03:23. > :03:28.responded to that very positively, so keep fingers crossed. In
:03:29. > :03:32.Scotland, we have the SNP, but I do believe Labour has such a broad
:03:33. > :03:38.spectrum within it that if we can unify it, we can turn into any
:03:39. > :03:42.member and convince them. There was a lot of saying we should change
:03:43. > :03:48.that and why but I am still waiting to hear how. That is a concern that
:03:49. > :03:50.was put to Jeremy Corbyn's highest profile Scottish supporter. Politics
:03:51. > :03:55.across the western world at the moment is very unpredictable. And I
:03:56. > :04:02.have already seen some newspaper columnists today saying that very
:04:03. > :04:07.thing and letting people to not be writing of the Labour Party because
:04:08. > :04:09.of the state of the economy at the state of politics across Western
:04:10. > :04:20.Europe. So I think it would be a very foolish person to write us off.
:04:21. > :04:24.Jeremy Corbyn says his party can climb the electoral mountain. That
:04:25. > :04:25.seems like a rocky path, but one Labour supporters are willing to
:04:26. > :04:34.take. Well, our Westminster Correspondent
:04:35. > :04:37.David Porter has been in Liverpool throughout and earlier this evening
:04:38. > :04:40.he sent us his assessment of events from a dismantling
:04:41. > :04:50.Labour conference. Here in Liverpool, the Labour
:04:51. > :04:54.Conference has now ended and as you can see, the clearing up is now well
:04:55. > :04:57.underway. That read you can see behind me is not blot on the waltz,
:04:58. > :05:03.although there has been disagreement this week, it has perhaps not been
:05:04. > :05:07.as bad as some people feel. Yes, there are big differences of
:05:08. > :05:10.opinion. There are almost two sections to this party now. The
:05:11. > :05:13.membership that supports Jeremy Corbyn likes what he has been saying
:05:14. > :05:17.here this week and likes what he has been saying over the past year. They
:05:18. > :05:20.are the ones who voted for him and they are the ones who are
:05:21. > :05:24.instrumental in his re-elections. Those who perhaps do not have such a
:05:25. > :05:29.high view of Jeremy Corbyn argues he works with by and large in
:05:30. > :05:33.Parliament. The vast majority of his MPs still do not necessarily think
:05:34. > :05:37.that he is the right man for the job, but he has put his party on
:05:38. > :05:42.election footing and he has called for unity. In his speech today, he
:05:43. > :05:46.said there must be an end to the trench warfare. That idea of putting
:05:47. > :05:51.his party on an election footing I think is probable and also a tactic
:05:52. > :05:54.to try to get some discipline among party members and MPs. The old
:05:55. > :05:58.argument that divided parties never win elections will stop he made that
:05:59. > :06:03.claim in his speech today. As far as the party in Scotland is concerned,
:06:04. > :06:06.they will probably feel a little bit happier at the end of this week than
:06:07. > :06:14.they did at the beginning of the week. They are, of course, the third
:06:15. > :06:20.party in Hollywood politics. They felt that position last year. Kezia
:06:21. > :06:24.Dugdale will be very pleased that the party is now going to get more
:06:25. > :06:29.autonomy in Scotland than it will have a say over candidate's election
:06:30. > :06:33.and how it organises its up and also that she will now be taking a seat
:06:34. > :06:36.on the all-important national executive committee. To some people,
:06:37. > :06:40.that sounds esoteric, but other people recognise that it is quite
:06:41. > :06:44.important because it is the make-up of the National executive committee
:06:45. > :06:47.that have stood aside as well be policies or the Labour Party
:06:48. > :06:51.throughout the UK. Kezia Dugdale is no fan of Jeremy Corbyn. The fact
:06:52. > :06:55.that she is now sitting on that committee will mean that Scotland
:06:56. > :07:01.has a voice at the top table. As we leave this Conference, is Labour
:07:02. > :07:09.more united than it was? Well, that is a moot question in that famous
:07:10. > :07:12.way of phrasing it, only time will tell. The whole election and the
:07:13. > :07:17.Conference bandwagon now moves on to Birmingham for the Conservatives.
:07:18. > :07:18.They too have their divisions, those divisions by an order over one
:07:19. > :07:19.thing. That is directed. I'm joined now by Catherine Macleod,
:07:20. > :07:22.political commentator and former adviser to Alasdair Darling
:07:23. > :07:39.and Stephen Low, Kathryn, a good speech? Yes, it was
:07:40. > :07:44.a great speech. There were a lot of people wishing him well and wishing
:07:45. > :07:47.him on. I am not sure about whether it was a great speech for the
:07:48. > :07:50.country and I don't know whether anyone who voted SNP or Tory last
:07:51. > :07:55.time we'll have changed their minds today, but as David Porter said,
:07:56. > :07:59.time will tell. Stephen, what did you think? Was his body language
:08:00. > :08:05.more confident this time? He has perhaps been working on his
:08:06. > :08:08.delivery. I did what -- I thought it was a very well delivered speech and
:08:09. > :08:12.I thought it was a speech for the country. It was all about investing
:08:13. > :08:17.in housing and infrastructure. It was all about an expansion of the
:08:18. > :08:23.project of investing in technology and our country -- and the great
:08:24. > :08:29.line that if the country has given up on investment, it has given up.
:08:30. > :08:33.So I thought it went down very well. In terms of the content and is talk
:08:34. > :08:37.about going to the Tories, the possibility of a snap election next
:08:38. > :08:44.year, do you think that is what he wants? I think he wants rid of the
:08:45. > :08:50.Tory Government. And there's never a bad time to get rid of a Tory
:08:51. > :08:53.obviously. The psychology of this, I don't know. I think he's quite
:08:54. > :08:56.serious about the idea of an election and I think he is quite
:08:57. > :08:59.right to be. Whether it is as much of a possibility as some people seem
:09:00. > :09:04.to think, I do not know. But you have to be prepared. Kathryn, had
:09:05. > :09:11.you think Labour would perform in an election in 2017? I think it is
:09:12. > :09:14.quite wise saying that there could be an election because that will
:09:15. > :09:18.galvanise the backbenchers that the part of a general election, but when
:09:19. > :09:21.I say that I did not think it was good for the country, I think
:09:22. > :09:26.Stephen is right that it is good to talk about in the Doctor and
:09:27. > :09:32.education, but he now -- but he did not give as an indication of how he
:09:33. > :09:34.will do this. I do not want the hour contracts. I want more money in
:09:35. > :09:40.education and more money into editing else, that he has to be able
:09:41. > :09:44.to tell is how he is going to do it if he is going to be Prime Minister.
:09:45. > :09:48.In practice it, I thought it was the best part of his speech was him
:09:49. > :09:51.standing up for the migrants and the people that keep our hospitals and
:09:52. > :10:01.public services on the road. I did not think he handled wrecks it well.
:10:02. > :10:06.-- Brexit. There are a lot of people who voted for Brexit you are not
:10:07. > :10:13.racist. I think he made an easy call on the war in Iraq. He did not talk
:10:14. > :10:16.about Syria. We have thousands of migrants in Calais waiting to come
:10:17. > :10:19.to the UK and he did not speak about them. So although I think Stephen is
:10:20. > :10:23.right that he spoke about things that people want, need to hide away
:10:24. > :10:29.from the hard issues that people need reassurance about. We are
:10:30. > :10:31.living in a very uncertain world. On the topic of migration, do you think
:10:32. > :10:36.that Labour through the Conference came across united on migration?
:10:37. > :10:39.Andy Burnham talking about the idea of a pre-Maastricht attitude would
:10:40. > :10:45.be but would only be able to come here they had a job established. I
:10:46. > :10:50.think, by some measure, the high point of the speech on migration was
:10:51. > :10:55.Jeremy's speech when he was resolute in tackling the prejudice and
:10:56. > :10:59.resolute in saying that the problem around migration is not caused by
:11:00. > :11:02.migrants. They are caused by governments. That force people out
:11:03. > :11:06.of places. They are caused by governments like the one that we
:11:07. > :11:10.have got that does not invest in housing, that allows pressures put
:11:11. > :11:15.on local services, that allows employers to exploit people. He
:11:16. > :11:19.dealt with... Because immigration is by and large a proxy for other
:11:20. > :11:23.issues, and he was absolutely correct in saying that the poor are
:11:24. > :11:29.not the problem, that we cannot have an attitude where we are building
:11:30. > :11:33.fences for workers. I thought that was superb on his part today and it
:11:34. > :11:37.really showed that he has got above a great many people who would argue
:11:38. > :11:41.that they are more competent than he is. He also raised anti-Semitism,
:11:42. > :11:45.which has been an issue for the party. Was he right to do that,
:11:46. > :11:48.Kathryn? I think he was right. I think he should have gone further
:11:49. > :11:51.and talked about article issues. I think the misogyny in the party, I
:11:52. > :11:59.think he should probably have addressed, on behalf of the Labour
:12:00. > :12:06.Party. I don't think he is a racist at all. I do think you should bring
:12:07. > :12:14.it up. I do think you should have condemned from the Parc platform the
:12:15. > :12:17.people whom it was an issue. Do you think the party is emerging from
:12:18. > :12:22.this Conference more united or do you think cracks remain? I think in
:12:23. > :12:26.policy terms, the party is incredibly united. If you think, a
:12:27. > :12:30.year ago, we had a situation where 15% of people were voting for a
:12:31. > :12:36.candidate that favoured investment and expansion of public ownership.
:12:37. > :12:39.On Saturday, 100% of the party voted for candidates that were standing
:12:40. > :12:44.for investment in public ownership. So in policy terms, there is very
:12:45. > :12:49.little gap to be bridged. I think where there is an issue of dented
:12:50. > :12:53.egos, I think that is something that they need to think about and they
:12:54. > :12:58.need to reflect on any democracy. Away from the Conference and away
:12:59. > :13:03.from the party membership, who are the party now speaking to and how
:13:04. > :13:07.are they going to actually win back the voters that they have lost, many
:13:08. > :13:12.of whom will be voting Tory, and of course you're in Scotland, will have
:13:13. > :13:14.gone to the SNP? This going by the speech today, the party speaking to
:13:15. > :13:23.people who are struggling to get decent housing, struggling to find
:13:24. > :13:25.decent work. The parties speaking to people who are self-employed, who
:13:26. > :13:32.are denied Social Security benefits. The party is speaking to the
:13:33. > :13:36.research community and the high-tech industries by selling we will
:13:37. > :13:38.improve investment and bring up research and development. The party
:13:39. > :13:42.is speaking to everyone that realises that our economy is not
:13:43. > :13:46.delivering particularly well and that improvement are both possible
:13:47. > :13:53.and necessary. Kathryn, do you think Jeremy Corbyn is aware of the
:13:54. > :13:58.problem he has in Scotland? He is one Labour MP. Do you think he is at
:13:59. > :14:02.least acknowledging that? There was virtually no mention of Scotland in
:14:03. > :14:07.the speech to date and no mention of Kezia Dugdale? Does he have a
:14:08. > :14:11.Scotland problem? He certainly has a Scotland problem because he only has
:14:12. > :14:15.one Labour MP. But if the acknowledging that in doing anything
:14:16. > :14:18.about it? Well, what can he do. This is where I disagree with Stephen. I
:14:19. > :14:21.don't what he said anything to the million people in Scotland that
:14:22. > :14:25.voted for Brexit or the people in the North East of England or the
:14:26. > :14:29.north-west of England. I don't like the change their minds today. I
:14:30. > :14:34.think an Kezia Dugdale and what happened, I don't think it was
:14:35. > :14:38.particularly personal to her, what happened in the end EEC, that was
:14:39. > :14:45.very important, and I do not agree that the party are united in policy.
:14:46. > :14:49.So he now has a national executive council where he does not have a
:14:50. > :14:53.majority is all I think it is very difficult. I think on foreign policy
:14:54. > :14:57.committee has huge problems. The reason that Hilary Benn was sacked
:14:58. > :15:00.or left or whatever he did at the end, these problems still exist and
:15:01. > :15:06.I do not think he addressed them today.
:15:07. > :15:16.What to think on his topic of Ken's I/O
:15:17. > :15:23.. He did talk about Scotland, Scottish people use broadband, they
:15:24. > :15:31.get on trains. These things apply in Scotland. As regards the autonomy of
:15:32. > :15:36.the party in Scotland, that is quite arcane, most people don't care.
:15:37. > :15:40.Famously something not raised on the doorstep, to use the cliche. The
:15:41. > :15:46.party does have a problem in Scotland. The radical and
:15:47. > :15:53.transformative agenda Jeremy is laying out is the best way back in
:15:54. > :15:56.Scotland. Do you think, going forward is relationship with the
:15:57. > :16:02.Parliamentary party might start to improve, with this fresh mandate? I
:16:03. > :16:10.think it will have two. They will be quite a lot of people hoping he
:16:11. > :16:15.would not survive. He's there, we have to support him, he will be
:16:16. > :16:19.there until the general election. Superficially, certainly improved.
:16:20. > :16:22.If it is anything more fundamental, I don't know.
:16:23. > :16:24.Scotland's last major steelworks, the Dalzell Mill in Motherwell
:16:25. > :16:28.It was moth-balled last year, along with the nearby Clydebridge plant.
:16:29. > :16:31.It's a positive story for Scottish industry but is this being reflected
:16:32. > :16:35.Our Business and Economy Editor Douglas Fraser was at the plate mill
:16:36. > :16:53.They are just packing up the marquee, the dignitaries have gone,
:16:54. > :16:59.the First Minister has been and gone. Reopening the plate mill in
:17:00. > :17:04.Motherwell. Big day for the Lanarkshire town, and the Scottish
:17:05. > :17:08.economy. The problems in the last couple of years, the oil and gas
:17:09. > :17:13.slump, brought on by the fall in the oil price. The uncertainty in
:17:14. > :17:21.constitutional decisions for Scotland, as well as the European
:17:22. > :17:26.Union. What we get is up to 200 jobs, when they are at full
:17:27. > :17:33.capacity. They need to source from different places. They need to find
:17:34. > :17:39.new customers, take slams of red-hot steel, process them, so they are
:17:40. > :17:44.ready to fabricate girders, construction, sheets for heavy
:17:45. > :17:50.vehicles, ships sometimes. They need to find new customers, compete
:17:51. > :17:57.internationally, maybe even export, according to Liberty, the new
:17:58. > :18:02.owners, after five months of taking it from falling into production,
:18:03. > :18:07.employing 120 people. Good news story for the First Minister to
:18:08. > :18:12.celebrate. Good news coming out of a survey published by The Royal Bank
:18:13. > :18:15.of Scotland, the quarterly monitor, asking 450 firms in Scotland how
:18:16. > :18:21.things look in the past three months, also the six months to come.
:18:22. > :18:26.On balance, a positive message right across the economy, particularly
:18:27. > :18:29.tourism, very important to remote and rural areas. Big employer in the
:18:30. > :18:35.cities as well. What seems to have made the difference, the weakening
:18:36. > :18:39.of sterling, more attractive for foreigners to come here. More
:18:40. > :18:43.attractive for British people earning money in sterling to go on
:18:44. > :18:52.holiday there, overseas has become more expensive. That signals, if the
:18:53. > :18:56.survey is right, a modest amount of growth in the second half of the
:18:57. > :19:00.year after very weak growth figures over the past year. Another positive
:19:01. > :19:02.sign, the First Minister can take away from Motherwell.
:19:03. > :19:04.Joining me to discuss the day's big stories
:19:05. > :19:06.are Professor of Global Security at Glasgow University, Peter Jackson
:19:07. > :19:22.Good evening to you both. New life breathed back into the plate mill,
:19:23. > :19:27.good news. First of all, do you think we have a romantic idea about
:19:28. > :19:32.our heavy industry? We may be need to re-examine? I suppose it depends
:19:33. > :19:38.on whether or not to have a job dependent on heavy industry. In
:19:39. > :19:43.general, very difficult for Scottish or British steel firms to be
:19:44. > :19:53.competitive in the kind of free trade future, projected by Brexit.
:19:54. > :19:57.With places like China, you will remember, from 's recent six months
:19:58. > :20:04.ago, dumping cheap steel on the UK market. Still quite a lot of
:20:05. > :20:10.uncertainty, in terms of the long-term future of British steel
:20:11. > :20:15.production. Liberty are if early modern company, taking in modern
:20:16. > :20:20.attitude. That is the impression I got. Talking about recycling scrap
:20:21. > :20:31.steel, rather than smelting new iron ore. Also using very green,
:20:32. > :20:34.efficient ways of doing it. So that, in their own words, they talk about
:20:35. > :20:42.being sustainable and competitive. It is a tricky one, I have sympathy
:20:43. > :20:49.with what Peter is saying. Other industries, the coal industry, ship
:20:50. > :20:53.building. Those have really died. Equally, as a country, we need to
:20:54. > :21:02.keep skilled workers. There will always be a requirement,
:21:03. > :21:11.particularly for high-quality steel. In aero engines, and seven they are
:21:12. > :21:17.placed. Whether the market, it is flooded, the north-east has not have
:21:18. > :21:22.a happy outcome. It will be tough times ahead. Good news for
:21:23. > :21:29.Lanarkshire. Should we fight harder for these jobs? To keep the skills.
:21:30. > :21:38.Yesterday the makers of Irn-Bru, 90 redundancies. Does not have much
:21:39. > :21:43.impact, but we fight for jobs in shipbuilding and steel. Without
:21:44. > :21:47.question, important. Not least in the realm of defence, for the nation
:21:48. > :21:51.to have a thriving steel industry will not be dependent on steel
:21:52. > :21:55.production from elsewhere. Another big story, in Russia. We got the
:21:56. > :22:20.report into the downing of the flight. The downing. What did
:22:21. > :22:29.you make of that? Well the mass of evidence, it is irrefutable. They
:22:30. > :22:35.were able to accumulate heart and put up 150,000 intercepted telephone
:22:36. > :22:43.messages. 3900 translated in their entirety. Social media, billions of
:22:44. > :22:51.some media, tracing the route taken by the lorry which transported the
:22:52. > :23:00.ground to air missile system. Into the area from which the separatist
:23:01. > :23:10.Russian Ukrainian rebels were fighting. When it is clear the
:23:11. > :23:17.Malaysian aircraft was shot down, from ten kilometres's surface. The
:23:18. > :23:20.evidence is overwhelming. The suspicion has been there, now there
:23:21. > :23:29.is evidence, what do you see happening now? Russia denying any
:23:30. > :23:33.direct link. Denying allegations of atrocities is, interesting seeing
:23:34. > :23:40.the relationship, and the development and shall race in the
:23:41. > :23:49.states. Flaming close ties repeating -- trump
:23:50. > :24:17.SFA again to suspend peace talks. Two charities saying they were
:24:18. > :24:23.bombed simultaneously. I was reflecting on that. I in fact
:24:24. > :24:29.checked out, I want to read it, I want to be sure of the wording.
:24:30. > :24:36.Article 147, the Geneva Convention, defining war crimes as extensive
:24:37. > :24:40.destruction, and property not justified by military necessity,
:24:41. > :24:51.carried out wanting to leave. It seems that Russia has crossed the
:24:52. > :24:56.line in Syria. -- wantonly. What is the point of having international
:24:57. > :25:01.criminal court, the Geneva Convention, if people are seemingly
:25:02. > :25:05.going to cross that line? War crimes being talked about. The Pope also
:25:06. > :25:12.spoke about this today. A new intervention. Will it remain about
:25:13. > :25:17.diplomacy? There will be a reluctance for any kind of military
:25:18. > :25:22.action can make even the lessons of Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.
:25:23. > :25:27.President Obama reluctant to enter into anything, about to leave
:25:28. > :25:32.office. No prospect of serious military intervention in Syria, to
:25:33. > :25:39.halt the conflict. And fight Syrian troops. We are in the middle of a
:25:40. > :25:46.very tense presidential election in the United States, a very fraught
:25:47. > :25:50.election campaign. For the lessons from a public discussion over the
:25:51. > :25:56.last year, no appetite in this country for intervention. It is
:25:57. > :26:00.true, other states like France have waded in, using strong language. The
:26:01. > :26:07.British Foreign Secretary, accusing Russia openly of war crimes. The
:26:08. > :26:13.language used by John Kerry, the American Secretary of State, saying
:26:14. > :26:17.Russia is morally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of civilians.
:26:18. > :26:21.Language we have not heard since the depths of the Cold War. Very
:26:22. > :26:26.interesting, but on the other hand, the only thing I can see happening,
:26:27. > :26:35.international pressure ratcheted up on the Russian government. The
:26:36. > :26:37.evidence we have suggests Putin is still impervious to this kind of
:26:38. > :26:47.pressure of public opinion, very depressing. In the meantime, Eastern
:26:48. > :26:50.Aleppo, a tragedy unfolding. Absolutely a tragedy, totally
:26:51. > :26:53.unconscionable. We saw in the Second World War, millions of Jews and
:26:54. > :27:00.others went to their deaths, nobody lifted a finger. Very complex, there
:27:01. > :27:06.are nuances, of different groups, diplomacy must be used, absolutely.
:27:07. > :27:11.Surely there comes a point when a line is crossed, something has to be
:27:12. > :27:18.done. Temporary ceasefire the answer in the short-term? I hope that the
:27:19. > :27:24.international pressure being brought to bear on the Putin government will
:27:25. > :27:32.induce it to come back to the table and restore the ceasefire that was
:27:33. > :27:38.agreed about ten days ago. At least age will get back to the people in
:27:39. > :27:41.Aleppo, in particular. Many thanks to both you for coming in.
:27:42. > :27:45.I'm back again tomorrow night, usual time.
:27:46. > :27:57.So do please join me then, bye bye.
:27:58. > :28:02.We look ahead to the weekend's fixtures,
:28:03. > :28:08.For me, what I've seen of him, he's a good player.
:28:09. > :28:11.And we go behind the scenes with some of