:00:00. > :00:00."No more Nasty Party" as the Prime Minister tells the rich
:00:00. > :00:33.Theresa May sets out her stall as Prime Minister,
:00:34. > :00:35.saying the Conservatives are the party of ordinary
:00:36. > :00:42.After an 18-year wait for justice, what lessons can be
:00:43. > :00:46.learned from the case of Surjit Singh Chhokar?
:00:47. > :00:48.And the Glasgow College building in the running
:00:49. > :00:58.for one of architecure's most prestigious prizes.
:00:59. > :01:00.The rich and powerful, the privileged elite,
:01:01. > :01:11.That was the stirring, and somehwat unexpected,
:01:12. > :01:14.message as the Prime Minister laid out her vision for a Britain
:01:15. > :01:18.Speaking to the party faithful on the final day
:01:19. > :01:19.of the Conservative Party conference, Theresa May said
:01:20. > :01:22.she wanted a Britain "where everyone plays by the same rules"
:01:23. > :01:26.and is "given the chance to be all they want to be".
:01:27. > :01:30.Meanwhile Scottish Conservatives leader Ruth Davidson got a rousing
:01:31. > :01:32.response when she urged the First Minister to rule out
:01:33. > :02:28.One area in which Ruth Davidson wants to define herself is support
:02:29. > :02:33.for the European Union. She took that up again in relation to the
:02:34. > :02:40.impending Brexit. You all know where I stood in June for the referendum.
:02:41. > :02:49.I did not vote remain to see my vote co-opted into a fresh independence
:02:50. > :02:55.referendum. She challenged the SNP on its record on mental health and
:02:56. > :03:02.poverty. The once broad church of the Labour Party had shrunk to a
:03:03. > :03:09.single rickety pew. The remaining true believers were belting out the
:03:10. > :03:12.hymns of yesterday, higher taxes, renationalisation, finding more ways
:03:13. > :03:17.to spend other people's money. But they were only preaching to the
:03:18. > :03:22.choir, because labour are a party that once spoke to the hopes of a
:03:23. > :03:27.nation, and now speaks to an ever smaller fraction of itself. In many
:03:28. > :03:32.way, the Scottish leader's speech was similar to the Prime Minister's
:03:33. > :03:37.later. Both positioning themselves in the centre ground, and both
:03:38. > :03:43.ridiculing Cammack labour. Let us have no more of labour's absurd
:03:44. > :03:52.belief that they have a monopoly on compassion. Let's put an end to
:03:53. > :03:56.their sanctimonious pretence of moral superiority. But there are
:03:57. > :04:01.differences between the two women. Ruth Davidson wanted Scotland to
:04:02. > :04:06.keep access to the EU single market after Brexit. The Prime Minister has
:04:07. > :04:10.ruled that out, and they differ over grammar schools. Tellingly, the
:04:11. > :04:16.centrepiece of speech of the entire conference contained only one
:04:17. > :04:21.reference to Scotland. We are one United Kingdom. England, Scotland,
:04:22. > :04:28.Wales and Northern Ireland, and I will always fight to preserve our
:04:29. > :05:18.proud, historic union, and will never let divisive
:05:19. > :05:28.the strong reaction is very noticeable, that the strong reaction
:05:29. > :05:31.has been from the conservatives' opponents in Scotland to the
:05:32. > :05:37.comments that Theresa May made. Nicola Sturgeon said that the words
:05:38. > :05:43.were the ugly side of the Brexit argument. Kezia Dugdale, Labour
:05:44. > :05:47.leader in Scotland, has accused the Tories of morphing into Ukip. It
:05:48. > :05:53.will be interesting to see how that particular debate develops over the
:05:54. > :05:58.weeks and months. Much of Theresa May's speech today was her trying to
:05:59. > :06:04.introduce herself, not only to the audience but to the wider
:06:05. > :06:09.electorate. She said she wanted a meritocratic society and wanted to
:06:10. > :06:14.reclaim the new centre ground in British politics. She knows her
:06:15. > :06:18.premiership will be defined by Brexit, and she made it pretty plain
:06:19. > :06:25.to the audience here in Birmingham that as far as she was concerned, in
:06:26. > :06:31.the weeks, months and even years to come, there is going to be a lot of
:06:32. > :06:35.tough and complex negotiations about Brexit, and there could be some
:06:36. > :06:40.bumps in the road. As the representative leave Birmingham here
:06:41. > :06:45.today, they know Brexit will be the defining issue of British politics
:06:46. > :06:48.for weeks, months and possibly years to come.
:06:49. > :06:50.Shortly before coming on air, I spoke with PR man Andy Maciver,
:06:51. > :06:52.a former head of communications for the Scottish Tories,
:06:53. > :07:00.and the political commentator Ian Macwhirter.
:07:01. > :07:08.Theresa May called her vision today a shift to the new centre ground.
:07:09. > :07:14.Where exactly do you think that is? It is almost the centre ground. It
:07:15. > :07:19.is the centre left. A strange speech for a conservative. She is talking
:07:20. > :07:25.about putting the power of the state at the service of ordinary working
:07:26. > :07:30.class people. She kept going back to the phrase "Working class people" in
:07:31. > :07:43.a way we have not heard from the Conservatives in a long time. Labour
:07:44. > :07:47.use the euphemism "Hard-working families". She was bringing together
:07:48. > :07:50.a lot of big state, Socialist Democratic rhetoric, and some people
:07:51. > :07:55.are worried about what that combination means. It sounds very
:07:56. > :08:03.like Marine Le Pen, the leader of the French National Front. It is
:08:04. > :08:08.also sounding like winding down globalisation, helping families
:08:09. > :08:13.whilst keeping foreigners out, which sounds a bit like Donald Trump.
:08:14. > :08:17.How'd you think some of that anti-immigration rhetoric will go
:08:18. > :08:21.down in Scotland? Immigration has not been such an issue in Scotland
:08:22. > :08:28.as in England. It has been an issue in parts, but not as big as in
:08:29. > :08:33.England. The reason Theresa May is able to make a speech like today's
:08:34. > :08:37.is because of the vacuum that's been left by the Labour Party. The centre
:08:38. > :08:42.ground is wide open because Jeremy Corbyn has gone so far to the left.
:08:43. > :08:47.There has not been such a left Labour leader for a long time. The
:08:48. > :08:52.sensible thing to do is to try to capture the vote that is available.
:08:53. > :08:57.There was a bit of that right wing populist vote available from Ukip,
:08:58. > :09:03.but it was about grabbing that centrist Labour vote, the centrist -
:09:04. > :09:08.left Labour vote is what she is looking for. It is perhaps a bit
:09:09. > :09:14.groggy to try to be all things to all men. A lot of the
:09:15. > :09:19.anti-immigration stuff was quite distasteful, especially Amber Rudd's
:09:20. > :09:24.stuff. But this was a clever speech that will capture a lot of people
:09:25. > :09:28.who don't currently vote for the Conservatives. Ruth Davidson looked
:09:29. > :09:33.a bit uncomfortable when questioned earlier about the anti-immigration
:09:34. > :09:38.rhetoric in the speech, in Theresa May's speech. Will that pose
:09:39. > :09:45.problems for her on how to position herself on this? Guess. Brexit will
:09:46. > :09:50.be a massive problem for the Conservatives in Scotland and for
:09:51. > :09:57.Ruth Davidson in Scotland. She was very much a remainer. She was
:09:58. > :10:03.talking today in her speech, and struck a very strange note about
:10:04. > :10:07.naming and shaming companies, demonising foreign doctors, and
:10:08. > :10:12.reducing the number of international students coming to British
:10:13. > :10:17.universities, which is an extraordinary policy for any Prime
:10:18. > :10:24.Minister to be advocating. It is a serious problem for the Tories, and
:10:25. > :10:29.north of the border. Ruth Davidson is very popular in Scotland, but she
:10:30. > :10:34.isn't really seen as a Tory, so the Gulf will that even deeper. Ruth
:10:35. > :10:39.Davidson did get a warm reception today, but do you think she had
:10:40. > :10:47.anything new to say, when you come per her speech to Theresa May's? I
:10:48. > :10:50.don't think she would make a speech like Theresa May. A lot of the
:10:51. > :10:58.blue-collar conservatism is up Ruth Davidson's Street, but you would not
:10:59. > :11:03.see her giving the anti-immigration messages that Theresa May and Amber
:11:04. > :11:08.Rudd had. Ruth Davidson has changed the way that people view the
:11:09. > :11:12.Scottish Conservative Party over the last five or so years. Not
:11:13. > :11:16.massively, but enough to make an impact. People are now voting for
:11:17. > :11:22.the Scottish Tories largely because of her. It was not new for the
:11:23. > :11:27.Scottish Tory party to have to clear up a bit after a UK party
:11:28. > :11:31.conference, as that's been happening for years. Often the messages coming
:11:32. > :11:36.from the conferences aren't great for Scotland. People are generally
:11:37. > :11:41.voting in Scotland for her, rather than looking to London for the
:11:42. > :11:47.employees on that. How long will she have to keep talking about
:11:48. > :11:51.immigration, about selective schools, when that is what is
:11:52. > :11:57.dominating the agenda in the rest of the UK, when she would prefer not to
:11:58. > :12:00.talk about these things? She is not going to talk about selective
:12:01. > :12:10.education and grammar schools. It is not going to happen in Scotland. A
:12:11. > :12:15.lot of, such is the extent of devolution now, a lot of what will
:12:16. > :12:20.happen in terms of domestic policy will be irrelevant in Scotland. But
:12:21. > :12:26.hovering above all of this is the problem of Brexit. And Scotland
:12:27. > :12:30.being detached from Europe. You could hear very clearly from Mrs
:12:31. > :12:36.May's speech today, when she said that under no circumstances is
:12:37. > :12:40.anyone going to dictate migration policy to the UK, no safer the
:12:41. > :12:47.European Court of Justice. That means clearly we are not going to be
:12:48. > :12:51.in the single market. That is going to be extremely difficult for the
:12:52. > :12:56.Conservatives north of the border to reconcile that with Scotland's
:12:57. > :13:00.interests, which are being articulated by Nicola Sturgeon, who
:13:01. > :13:05.will be very pleased with what happened. This Tory conference has
:13:06. > :13:10.been a wonderful warm up act for the SNP conference next week. How are
:13:11. > :13:15.the Scottish Conservatives going to deal with the hard Brexit issue over
:13:16. > :13:20.the coming months? If you were advising them, what would your
:13:21. > :13:26.advice be? I think we will stop using the phrase is hard Brexit and
:13:27. > :13:31.soft Brexit, because they will come redundant. The Brexit negotiated
:13:32. > :13:39.will be something in the middle. It will be outside the single market. E
:13:40. > :13:45.it will be outside the membership of it, but that isn't the same thing.
:13:46. > :13:54.The key point when it comes to separation... You will not have the
:13:55. > :13:59.same membership. It is clear that the biggest potential issue for both
:14:00. > :14:03.the UK party and their relationship with the Scottish party over the
:14:04. > :14:07.next few years is obviously Brexit and the type of deal the UK ends up
:14:08. > :14:14.with will be the biggest sticking point. Ruth Davidson has been
:14:15. > :14:18.clearer than many of the Cabinet than what sort of Brexit we have,
:14:19. > :14:24.and that could cause her some problems with the party in London,
:14:25. > :14:29.but it is so unclear at this point what Brexit means, so who knows what
:14:30. > :14:35.the difference will be in Ruth Davidson's wish and what is actually
:14:36. > :14:38.delivered after article 50 is triggered. Thank you both very much.
:14:39. > :14:44.It's taken 18 years and three trials, but today a man was finally
:14:45. > :14:47.convicted of the murder of Indian waiter Surjit Singh Chhokar.
:14:48. > :14:49.The case resulted in wide-ranging changes to the police
:14:50. > :14:50.and prosecution service, after mistakes were made
:14:51. > :14:56.by the Crown Office and there was found to be institutional
:14:57. > :14:59.racism within the police - particularly in how they dealt
:15:00. > :15:03.This is what his sister told the BBC.
:15:04. > :15:14.He knows he did it. After stabbing my brother, he was the one who said
:15:15. > :15:19.to the other two, run. What does that mean, I have done the job, so
:15:20. > :15:22.you too run. Here with me now is the Chhokar
:15:23. > :15:34.family's lawyer, Aamer Anwar. Good evening. It was a majority
:15:35. > :15:38.verdict in the end and took the juror 's three days to reach the
:15:39. > :15:44.decision. Did you fear this conviction might never happen?
:15:45. > :15:50.Absolutely. In 2012, when we went to see the Lord Advocate, we
:15:51. > :15:53.appreciated that it was an uphill struggle and then needed to be
:15:54. > :16:01.evidence to bring this case forward to be reopened. But when the courts
:16:02. > :16:06.decided the application for only one individual would be granted, we were
:16:07. > :16:14.concerned, because we knew it meant a rerun of the first trial. Ronnie
:16:15. > :16:18.Colton was blamed, and there was a real possibility he could be
:16:19. > :16:24.acquitted, because the jury had to be convinced beyond reasonable --
:16:25. > :16:30.reasonable doubt that he carried the knife and stabbed Surjit Singh
:16:31. > :16:37.Chhokar. Why did it take so long to get to this particular day? 18 years
:16:38. > :16:42.is a very long time. It is. At the end of the collapse of the second
:16:43. > :16:47.trial, when the two other men were acquitted, I stood on the steps of
:16:48. > :16:54.the court and accused the Crown Office, the justice system, of
:16:55. > :16:57.acting like a gentleman's Colonial club, of being incompetent, it in
:16:58. > :17:03.sensitive and institutionally racist. And you took a lot of stick
:17:04. > :17:09.for that at the time. I did, but it has subsequently be found that they
:17:10. > :17:14.got it wrong. It has been accepted that all three men should have been
:17:15. > :17:19.indicted and trial together. Huge change take -- has taken place as a
:17:20. > :17:24.result of that. It was called the Scottish Stephen Lawrence, and lots
:17:25. > :17:29.of people argued against that. We were talking about the treatment of
:17:30. > :17:33.the family by the Crown Office. The police did their job and arrested
:17:34. > :17:38.the three men. It was the Crown that let two of them back on the street
:17:39. > :17:53.and put only one man on trial, and let him walk free. The Crown Office
:17:54. > :17:58.the Police Scotland the Procurator Fiscal had shown an unwavering
:17:59. > :18:01.commitment to justice. They left no stone unturned in order to get
:18:02. > :18:04.justice for the family and that is a real change that took play the a
:18:05. > :18:09.direct result of the struggle that family waged simply to get what was
:18:10. > :18:12.a human rights justice dignity respect.
:18:13. > :18:16.When Sir Anthony Campbell wrote his report into there is none one, he as
:18:17. > :18:21.you said concluded that all three men should have been invited to. But
:18:22. > :18:27.he said he found no evidence of racism. What role do you think race
:18:28. > :18:38.played in this? There was to inquiries. There
:18:39. > :18:48.was the Raj Jandu inquiry, which was to look racism. We boycotted the
:18:49. > :18:52.Campbell and and also the Raj Jandu inquiry because they wanted a public
:18:53. > :18:57.one it was like sending the corporal in to investigate the generals. We
:18:58. > :18:59.knew that it was going to be a whitewash. You could imagine the
:19:00. > :19:03.Stephen Lawrence inquiry weather the family never gave evidence or the
:19:04. > :19:07.lawyers never gave evidence it would have been a whitewash because that
:19:08. > :19:09.would have been the Metropolitan Police woman. But there was good
:19:10. > :19:14.points that came out of it and whilst there Anthony Campbell could
:19:15. > :19:18.not find racism but the commission for racial equality at the time
:19:19. > :19:21.criticised at the time and said it should be one inquiry and not to
:19:22. > :19:26.separate and you'd need people with experience who will be sat, as the
:19:27. > :19:29.William MacPherson had to individuals that I said and teams of
:19:30. > :19:32.people. They never got to the root of the matter and the bottom line
:19:33. > :19:35.was that every institution in this country stood up at the time and
:19:36. > :19:39.said the police crime other than fiscal service said we accept we
:19:40. > :19:42.were in racist and I said at the time you just need to count on one
:19:43. > :19:48.hand how many black prosecutors they have. How many black judges today
:19:49. > :19:50.have how many people on the top do they have? It was in zero every that
:19:51. > :19:54.pointed not pointed towards traditional racism. They have no
:19:55. > :19:57.experience and did not know how to treat families like this but for me
:19:58. > :20:00.it did not matter if the family were black or white no experience and did
:20:01. > :20:04.not know how to treat families like that but for me it did not matter if
:20:05. > :20:07.the family were black or white, red to never again be treated like that
:20:08. > :20:09.family. They have a right to justice and a right to demand it and they
:20:10. > :20:11.showed exactly what is possible because today the crowd office were
:20:12. > :20:13.perfection. Obviously important if you you and
:20:14. > :20:16.the family. Thank you for coming in. Now, The City of Glasgow
:20:17. > :20:18.College's Riverside Campus, which specialises in engineering
:20:19. > :20:20.and maritime training, is among the six finalists
:20:21. > :20:22.for the prestigious Stirling Prize The winner of which will be
:20:23. > :20:27.announced tomorrow night. It's impossible to predict
:20:28. > :20:29.which project will win, as the judges only decide shortly
:20:30. > :20:32.before the announcement, but the ?66 million
:20:33. > :20:50.Riverside Campus has already picked The Riverside Campus of training and
:20:51. > :20:53.engineering and maritime skills to students or come not only from
:20:54. > :20:58.Scotland but from all over the world to get hands-on experience with
:20:59. > :21:02.things like Bridge and engine room simulator is leaving the shore. It
:21:03. > :21:05.does not mean there is no contact with the water however as part of
:21:06. > :21:09.the building extends over the Clyde offering training and things like
:21:10. > :21:16.docking and evacuation methods from ships and oil platforms.
:21:17. > :21:22.As you enter from the Riverside through the revolving door into the
:21:23. > :21:26.large atrium there is a feeling of space and openness. The grand Hall
:21:27. > :21:30.is light and airy with balconies going up seven floors. The second
:21:31. > :21:34.building offering student accommodation linked by a cloistered
:21:35. > :21:38.garden. But what is it that has attracted the attention of the Royal
:21:39. > :21:42.Institute of British architects making this Riverside Campus if
:21:43. > :21:45.finalist for the coveted Stirling prize? It works completely because
:21:46. > :21:49.it has been designed with the students and staff in mind. They
:21:50. > :21:53.worked closely with the architects and local community. To me this
:21:54. > :21:57.celebrates the heritage of Glasgow. It marine engineering heritage. But
:21:58. > :22:03.it works because of pays tribute to that heritage whilst at the same
:22:04. > :22:08.time heralding a new era of college education 20 education, super
:22:09. > :22:11.college. It seeks to inspire it seeks to innovate and represents the
:22:12. > :22:19.excellence that you have your in Glasgow. Whether it is training to
:22:20. > :22:23.cut and shaped metal to get it just right or discover the art of
:22:24. > :22:27.navigation, the college says it aimed to commission a building which
:22:28. > :22:36.would aid building even down to a real working engine room.
:22:37. > :22:43.Two Scottish architectural companies came together to design the college.
:22:44. > :22:47.They have already picked up a number of Scottish based awards for the
:22:48. > :22:51.Riverside Campus as well as being nominated for a UK ones. I think it
:22:52. > :22:55.is really important that the city and college sets side-by-side and
:22:56. > :22:59.the visual connection between both is really really a key part of the
:23:00. > :23:05.design tool. I think being able to look out for lots of students that
:23:06. > :23:08.are not from Glasgow to find their marker of the city and find a key
:23:09. > :23:13.orientation point is a really useful tool, because the college itself as
:23:14. > :23:18.a that follow students from all around the world. Here we have
:23:19. > :23:22.exposed all of pipes wires this link are there aren't painted uncovered
:23:23. > :23:24.whereas in most other buildings they are there aren't painted, uncovered,
:23:25. > :23:27.whereas in most other buildings the architects do their damnedest to
:23:28. > :23:30.hide all that away. This is an engineering College we want to
:23:31. > :23:39.expose law that and use the building as a learning and teaching tool.
:23:40. > :23:49.This year's prize could be these others...
:23:50. > :23:53.Or maybe it might just turn out to be the Riverside Campus on the Clyde
:23:54. > :23:55.in the heart of Glasgow. Now, joining me to discuss the day's
:23:56. > :23:58.big stories are Scottish political editor of the Times,
:23:59. > :24:12.Lindsay McIntosh, and David Let's go back to the Conservative
:24:13. > :24:16.party conference. To May's big speech and a chance to find out what
:24:17. > :24:21.she is all about. What did you make of it first of all her delivery was
:24:22. > :24:25.very good very accomplished to her first Conservative Party conference
:24:26. > :24:30.speech as PM. I think the messages we can take from it, firstly she is
:24:31. > :24:36.shifting to the centre shifting them the centre in in terms of talking
:24:37. > :24:41.about a meritocracy that works for working people. She was sitting out
:24:42. > :24:46.at unscrupulous big business things like that that will chime with
:24:47. > :24:51.fought off disaffected voters. Centre-left actually to a lot of
:24:52. > :24:53.people. Those sorts of messages. Bother we do not know that detail
:24:54. > :24:56.about she will deliver on these messages it is just words at the
:24:57. > :25:01.moment. The other big thing obviously the emigration issue and
:25:02. > :25:07.Brexit which points to a rather different Conservative Party, that I
:25:08. > :25:13.think some of the party will be on with. And what about in Scotland
:25:14. > :25:17.Ruth Davidson sounded a little but uncomfortable with the
:25:18. > :25:21.anti-rhetoric? Do you think that would play well in Scotland we have
:25:22. > :25:26.figured in Scotland as well let's be honest. It is not that long ago six
:25:27. > :25:30.years ago when another Prime Minister referred to somebody seeing
:25:31. > :25:34.two different things to what is this current policy. You may remember
:25:35. > :25:38.Gillian Duffy and the way she spoke, Auden Brown referring to her as that
:25:39. > :25:42.bigoted woman. There are people in Scotland are quite those messages.
:25:43. > :25:46.And we see tonight apparently reports that the French far right
:25:47. > :25:51.leader has actually praise one part of Theresa May's speech. I wonder if
:25:52. > :25:56.that will seem helpful. I think we can guess which party she is
:25:57. > :26:00.pressing. Well, apparently, if you believe you are a citizen of the
:26:01. > :26:15.world you are a citizen of nowhere and she said," ."
:26:16. > :26:20.What they think -- she said Exactement. What do you think about
:26:21. > :26:24.Ruth Davidson saying that she was the defender of the union and trying
:26:25. > :26:29.to rule it second independence referendum I think it is really
:26:30. > :26:32.interesting that Ruth Davidson keeps telling the SNP to stop talking
:26:33. > :26:35.about a second XMP referendum whereas she lost talking about the
:26:36. > :26:38.union because it is one of her big selling points. As thought it was
:26:39. > :26:43.interesting wishes is separated herself from Theresa May on
:26:44. > :26:48.immigration saying that EU citizens in the UK should be guaranteed a
:26:49. > :26:52.continued welcome here. And what did you make of Ruth Davidson's speech
:26:53. > :26:54.she is others are trying to consider a different figure them out of the
:26:55. > :26:58.Prime Minister on these things. She has got to be different as opposed.
:26:59. > :27:02.We have seen these interesting divergence between the Tories in
:27:03. > :27:04.Scotland and in England. I do not know whether that will work. It
:27:05. > :27:08.seems to be working for her just now. Is it going to be more
:27:09. > :27:12.difficult to Theresa May is billing the party towards the centre-left?
:27:13. > :27:16.Where is your pulling the party some of her rhetoric is a centre-left and
:27:17. > :27:22.some appears to be almost far right. I do not think we know. I think most
:27:23. > :27:26.of the people, the pundits out there do not know where we are pretty
:27:27. > :27:29.Conservative Party any more. I think Chris is going to change issues we
:27:30. > :27:33.she differentiates itself. Another example is the grammar schools. One
:27:34. > :27:37.of Theresa May's big policies is to be introduced that Ruth Davidson
:27:38. > :27:41.thing that we have a very different education system in Scotland and did
:27:42. > :27:46.not work for as here. And all of this talk of the spreading
:27:47. > :27:51.prosperity. We did not get very much detail on how she would do that.
:27:52. > :27:56.Everything that is going to be the test. She did say so but it liked
:27:57. > :28:00.about tackling tax evasions and tax Avoidance which resonates strongly
:28:01. > :28:03.in Scotland and elsewhere. The assembled things that Conservative
:28:04. > :28:06.government could do to tackle this issue. Not just on Scotland but
:28:07. > :28:10.across the world. The UK has a gigantic industry providing brass
:28:11. > :28:15.plates for nefarious activities all over the world. Could you put a stop
:28:16. > :28:19.to that and put her money, or other people's money where her motives and
:28:20. > :28:24.just before we go this evening another political story Nigel Farage
:28:25. > :28:28.is back as you could after Diane James quit after just 18 days into
:28:29. > :28:34.the job. That is pretty embarrassing is it not for Ukip it is another
:28:35. > :28:37.embarrassment for Ukip. Is it in fighting or should we take at her
:28:38. > :28:41.word that it is more to do with personal personal issues? I think
:28:42. > :28:45.she was a reluctant leader to start with. I do not think she signed up
:28:46. > :28:49.to it particularly willingly and I think that she has had a very tough
:28:50. > :28:54.time since she has been in there and just thought she really did not need
:28:55. > :28:58.this in her life and has given it back to Nigel Farage for the third
:28:59. > :29:02.time now he has returned. Although he doesn't and says that he has no
:29:03. > :29:08.intention of staying. Do you believe in I do not know. I generally do not
:29:09. > :29:11.as a role which is good advice. The departing leader of Ukip is the poor
:29:12. > :29:19.woman who had to scrub when there's man gets we all and where do you
:29:20. > :29:23.think their sleeves Ukip? That's Theresa May's made of the
:29:24. > :29:27.Conservative party do you think they have got much of a future you have
:29:28. > :29:29.to wonder what you can buy for at the moment. The raison d' tre taking
:29:30. > :29:33.the moment. The raison d'etre taking the UK out of Europe that has been
:29:34. > :29:39.achieved. Do they return to some kind of pressure group less of a
:29:40. > :29:44.political party than they are at the moment I do not know. OK, Lindsay,
:29:45. > :29:47.good to see you again. And that is it for tonight. Thank you very much
:29:48. > :29:51.for watching. Laura will be back tomorrow night at the usual time. Do
:29:52. > :29:53.please join her if you can. Goodbye.