06/10/2016

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:00:00. > :00:00.A controversial method of capturing coal gas from underground is banned

:00:00. > :00:10.Was that the sensible move for the environment

:00:11. > :00:29.or a missed opportunity for the economy?

:00:30. > :00:35.The Scottish government is banning the extraction of gas by burning

:00:36. > :00:40.Scotland's Childrens' Commissioner wants more protection for children

:00:41. > :00:44.And after the fire, the blueprints for the restoration

:00:45. > :00:55.of Glasgow's School of Art go on public display.

:00:56. > :00:59.The controversial practice of underground coal gasification

:01:00. > :01:04.The technique involves burning difficult to mine coal under

:01:05. > :01:07.the ground and capturing the resulting gas as it

:01:08. > :01:11.The Scottish Government said they were waiting for an independent

:01:12. > :01:13.review of the technique before making their decision.

:01:14. > :01:22.The man behind that report said that a ban was the logical move.

:01:23. > :01:28.Because of the potential impact that underground coal gasification could

:01:29. > :01:33.have in terms of climate and the operational experience that the

:01:34. > :01:38.industry has had, the nature of the regulatory regime and also the

:01:39. > :01:41.engagement of the public as well as the management of liabilities, all

:01:42. > :01:44.of these factors are at this point not in the perfect shape.

:01:45. > :01:47.Joining us now to discuss the issue are Ivan McKee from the SNP

:01:48. > :01:49.and Alexander Burnett from the Conservatives.

:01:50. > :02:01.Good evening. I want to ask you, what was the justification for this

:02:02. > :02:04.decision? The justification was based on independent scientific

:02:05. > :02:09.evidence in the report completed by Campbell Gemmill, which identified a

:02:10. > :02:12.number of problems with the technology, the Scottish government

:02:13. > :02:17.said they would take an independent scientific survey and I believe

:02:18. > :02:21.Alexander Burnett said in the last day or so that we should take the

:02:22. > :02:25.evidence of the scientific survey and base a decision on that and that

:02:26. > :02:29.is what the government has done. If we look at the evidence that

:02:30. > :02:33.Campbell Campbell has, he has looked at where these processes are

:02:34. > :02:36.operating and very few operate worldwide and there is nothing

:02:37. > :02:42.operating at scale and when they have operated in Australia it has

:02:43. > :02:46.caused problems. And there is a public expense afterwards with the

:02:47. > :02:51.cleared up. And they leave a mess behind and it is not environmentally

:02:52. > :02:54.friendly so for a number of public safety, environmental and worker

:02:55. > :02:59.safety and other reasons, it makes perfect sense for the government to

:03:00. > :03:03.have invented this. Alexander Burnett, what do you make of the

:03:04. > :03:06.environmental threat posed? Would not be responsible of the government

:03:07. > :03:17.to go ahead with such severe warnings? Not at all, it is blatant

:03:18. > :03:24.hypocrisy, to encourage companies to be investing in Grangemouth whilst

:03:25. > :03:29.forcing them to be importing shale gas or not even looking at the

:03:30. > :03:34.opportunity to develop UCG is passing the buck to somebody else.

:03:35. > :03:40.Why is it right to fail to create jobs in Scotland whilst paying to

:03:41. > :03:44.create jobs elsewhere? Looking specifically at UCG, it was said it

:03:45. > :03:47.would expose workers to toxins, cause soil contamination and now the

:03:48. > :03:52.of those things are concerning to you? They certainly are and this is

:03:53. > :04:00.about developing new technology and if you look at the report, the

:04:01. > :04:04.earliest UCGs occurred in 1912, people have been trying to make this

:04:05. > :04:09.technology work and in Australia there were issues and if you look at

:04:10. > :04:13.the report it shows the problems they experienced were on the coal

:04:14. > :04:18.seams less than 600 metres deep and that would not be allowed with

:04:19. > :04:23.regulation here. In Scotland we have very good experience from the North

:04:24. > :04:28.Sea and the oil and gas technologies of understanding how drilling works

:04:29. > :04:32.and the problems associated with that and how to ameliorate risks. We

:04:33. > :04:36.need to look at the experience we have and use that make sure we can

:04:37. > :04:42.use that to our best ability by providing and much-needed boost to

:04:43. > :04:47.the economy. The report did cite this process as having a history of

:04:48. > :04:51.incidents of pollution elsewhere. Apart from Australia, either other

:04:52. > :04:56.examples of this has been used and could it be different in the

:04:57. > :05:00.Scottish landscape? Alexander Burnett made the point, they have

:05:01. > :05:05.been trying for 100 years and have not managed to get this right, apart

:05:06. > :05:08.from Australia it has been tried in the old Soviet Union, not somewhere

:05:09. > :05:13.well known for environmental or health and safety records and even

:05:14. > :05:16.it is bad there and it has been tried recently in Australia and

:05:17. > :05:20.Alexander wants to try this process that is not proven to work anywhere

:05:21. > :05:25.in the last 100 years in a densely populated part of the Central belt

:05:26. > :05:31.of Scotland and it is ridiculous, and I am amazed with the evidence

:05:32. > :05:35.today, that he and the Tories are pushing this line that we should be

:05:36. > :05:39.guinea pigs in Scotland for this time of technology and it is

:05:40. > :05:42.different from working in the North Sea. Different process and a

:05:43. > :05:50.different environment and to suggest it is the same, we could transfer

:05:51. > :05:53.the same processes, is ridiculous. It is viewed as cleaner than coal

:05:54. > :06:00.mining, what other options do we have? Where are we with carbon

:06:01. > :06:04.capture? Carbon capture, there was the plan in place to build the

:06:05. > :06:07.carbon capture plant in the north-east and that was killed off

:06:08. > :06:14.by the UK government by pulling the funding so when we look at that, the

:06:15. > :06:17.future is environmental, Scotland is making huge strides recognised

:06:18. > :06:21.worldwide as a world leader in renewable energy and that is a

:06:22. > :06:26.direction we should be going in for energy supplies going forward. Do

:06:27. > :06:29.you take anything forward from the arguments coming from Cluff Natural

:06:30. > :06:34.Resources, who wanted to carry this out, that this is a missed

:06:35. > :06:38.opportunity for business and jobs? Absolutely not, it is ridiculous to

:06:39. > :06:43.pollute the environment and pose health and safety issues and worker

:06:44. > :06:48.safety issues and try an unproven technology in a densely populated

:06:49. > :06:54.part of Scotland, it is ridiculous. It does not stand up at all.

:06:55. > :07:01.Alexander, any support for this in the Firth of Forth? People will have

:07:02. > :07:04.been supportive of the jobs and benefits. Ivan McKee stood on the

:07:05. > :07:09.platform for the election in providing jobs for his constituency

:07:10. > :07:11.and across the country and people will be disappointed again at the

:07:12. > :07:18.hypocrisy of the first opportunity they have to deliver jobs and bring

:07:19. > :07:22.in nearly ?6 billion to the economy, they will shun that and to talk

:07:23. > :07:29.about carbon capture, it is completely hypocritical to say that

:07:30. > :07:33.UCG, we should not be looking to see the possibilities of UCG because it

:07:34. > :07:40.is not proven yet at the same time Ivan McKee wants to spend ?1 billion

:07:41. > :07:44.on carbon capture storage, which is equally unproven. That is why that

:07:45. > :07:49.was stopped, the cost was far greater than the benefits of

:07:50. > :07:53.bringing in UCG. Another argument in favour of UCG is it gives energy

:07:54. > :07:56.security and independence for the country, is that not something that

:07:57. > :08:02.might be valid as your party looks to planning an independent Scotland?

:08:03. > :08:06.Absolutely not, the future is renewable energy and Scotland is

:08:07. > :08:09.making great strides in the percentage of energy generated from

:08:10. > :08:13.that and that is where we should focus our direction and energy and

:08:14. > :08:18.investment and that technology will create a huge number of jobs rather

:08:19. > :08:22.than something that is risky and proven to be environmentally unsafe.

:08:23. > :08:28.Are you confident it could be secure enough and consistent enough? I

:08:29. > :08:34.think UCG is neither, it is not a process that will generate a lot of

:08:35. > :08:37.jobs anyway. And technologies... That is wrong. It has not been

:08:38. > :08:42.proven to work at also investing money and time and not from any

:08:43. > :08:45.point if you does not make sense. Alexander, the Conservative

:08:46. > :08:49.government at Westminster gave the go-ahead for fracking in Lancashire

:08:50. > :08:53.and this was against the wishes of the local council. Is this an issue

:08:54. > :08:57.the UK and Scottish governments are travelling and completely different

:08:58. > :09:01.directions on? Are you concerned about that going forward for the

:09:02. > :09:06.security of our energy and we are feeding into the National Grid but

:09:07. > :09:12.seems to diverse opinions about how we get our energy? We don't look at

:09:13. > :09:16.the decisions that Westminster is making, we look at the decisions we

:09:17. > :09:21.make in the position we want with what is best for Scotland and on

:09:22. > :09:24.this issue, developing new technology, providing jobs and

:09:25. > :09:32.security of the economy, giving ourselves energy security and

:09:33. > :09:35.supporting businesses such as Ineos, bringing a lot of jobs in and

:09:36. > :09:39.prosperity to those parts of Scotland, we think that is in the

:09:40. > :09:45.best interest of Scotland. What other countries around the world and

:09:46. > :09:49.across the border choose to do is their own but we are pleased to see

:09:50. > :09:52.that in Westminster they are still being open-minded to some of these

:09:53. > :09:57.technologies and are prepared to try things. I think we're being very

:09:58. > :10:01.open minded and that is why we took the time for the scientific survey,

:10:02. > :10:06.which Alexander Burnett called for ballot result has come back and be

:10:07. > :10:10.progressing on the basis of the scientific evidence that is solid

:10:11. > :10:14.and indicates this technology is absolutely not to be implemented in

:10:15. > :10:17.Scotland. We have to leave it there. Thank you, both of you.

:10:18. > :10:19.Celtic may have made a thirteen year old boy's dream come true,

:10:20. > :10:22.by selecting him in an under-20 side this week.

:10:23. > :10:26.The club say they're taking good care of him and will ensure he's not

:10:27. > :10:34.But it may not be the same for other budding footballers.

:10:35. > :10:36.Scotland's Children's Commissioner has called for regulation to stop

:10:37. > :10:38.the exploitation of children by professional football clubs.

:10:39. > :10:41.Tam Baillie spoke to us just before we came on air.

:10:42. > :10:44.He made it clear he wasn't talking about any specific clubs

:10:45. > :10:52.about his concerns over treatment of young footballers.

:10:53. > :10:57.These are long-standing concerns added has been prompted by a

:10:58. > :11:01.petition which has been raised in Parliament which has been there for

:11:02. > :11:05.over six years and that is why I got drawn into this because the initial

:11:06. > :11:09.concerns were around clubs not allowing children to play for their

:11:10. > :11:16.schools while they were signed to the firms. The SPFL moved on that

:11:17. > :11:22.and that is good and it has taken them a while to take away that

:11:23. > :11:29.option the clubs to prevent youngsters from playing with their

:11:30. > :11:32.school team but there are some -- there remain significant issues and

:11:33. > :11:38.outstanding issues and the first is to do with children signing forms at

:11:39. > :11:44.age 15 and being held to those up to the age of 17 on the basis that

:11:45. > :11:48.their skills, they might be late developers but really that is about

:11:49. > :11:55.the club is holding onto those young people. The other issue when signing

:11:56. > :12:01.contracts, and there are allegations, reported allegations,

:12:02. > :12:05.of youngsters being paid ?1 every week and HMRC are looking at that

:12:06. > :12:12.and I welcome that and from time to time there are reports of transfers

:12:13. > :12:16.of children under the age of 16 being subject to those transfers

:12:17. > :12:23.which are outside any other guidance and any other regulations within

:12:24. > :12:29.SFA. I have pointed this out and disappointingly they have not taken

:12:30. > :12:31.action. The SFA and the SPFL have released a statement and they say

:12:32. > :12:35.they are surprised by these allegations first of all and also a

:12:36. > :12:38.number of improvements have been made to youth football and the

:12:39. > :12:41.players can only enter into contracts when they become

:12:42. > :12:46.professionals. This is not permissible prior to school leaving

:12:47. > :12:53.age. Have these issues been reported to the SFA? They have. Not just the

:12:54. > :12:58.SFA, reported through Parliament and indeed in November there is a

:12:59. > :13:05.hearing through the petitions committee and an opportunity for the

:13:06. > :13:11.SFA and the SPFL to put their case. I maintain that there are

:13:12. > :13:16.significant outstanding issues which have not been resolved and where to

:13:17. > :13:23.my mind the SFA and the SPFL have been intransigent and they are

:13:24. > :13:26.either incapable or unwilling to improve the treatment of children in

:13:27. > :13:31.professional football clubs and indeed, my preference is that there

:13:32. > :13:35.would be a self-regulation and football authorities would take this

:13:36. > :13:42.in hand and in the absence of that, I am in a position where I want to

:13:43. > :13:46.recommend and have recommended external regulations and, in fact,

:13:47. > :13:51.Scottish government takes some cognizance of what has happened with

:13:52. > :13:55.children and their involvement with professional clubs. We will come

:13:56. > :14:00.back to that. The SFA and SPFL have asked for evidence of real pitches.

:14:01. > :14:05.To be provided. Is it something you will be willing to do? I have

:14:06. > :14:11.already done that and with transfers there was evidence given in

:14:12. > :14:17.Parliament in 2011 by a football club. They say improvements have

:14:18. > :14:21.been made since then? I have no evidence of that and there are other

:14:22. > :14:27.incidences which have been reported in the press which I have brought to

:14:28. > :14:31.the attention of the SFA and has been no response. It is very

:14:32. > :14:36.disappointing because things affect, it puts a price on the head of

:14:37. > :14:42.children and we really should not be operating in that way. Let us move

:14:43. > :14:46.on to what kind of framework and regulation you would like to see and

:14:47. > :14:52.who should police that. Self-regulation is best, if there

:14:53. > :14:56.was an opt out for 15, 16 and 17-year-olds in any contracts they

:14:57. > :15:09.sign, that would be helpful. It will also be useful if the SFA or SPFL

:15:10. > :15:12.had regulations which ensured that young people on contracts were paid

:15:13. > :15:17.at least the minimum wage. And also I think they have to take seriously

:15:18. > :15:23.these reports when there are transfers that are out with the

:15:24. > :15:27.regulations of the SFA and to date I have not seen any action on that and

:15:28. > :15:31.they have written to the SFA and SPFL.

:15:32. > :15:36.Parents are ultimately responsible for the well-being of their children

:15:37. > :15:40.so they should be the ones looking out for their own children the end

:15:41. > :15:43.of the day. If you want your child to be excellent at something, they

:15:44. > :15:49.will have to do that through a professional club. Absolutely. And

:15:50. > :15:53.we want to nurture talent and ensure that the dreams and aspirations of

:15:54. > :16:03.our children and young people are realised but with that opportunity

:16:04. > :16:07.comes responsibility and we have to make sure that we honour our

:16:08. > :16:15.responsibilities to the children, nurturing their talent. I welcome

:16:16. > :16:18.any further moves in the football authorities to ensure that the best

:16:19. > :16:22.interests of children are always up for most and it is not to do with

:16:23. > :16:25.monetary game, which it sometimes seems to be. Thank you for coming

:16:26. > :16:27.in. -- monetary gain. A new perspective on Glasgow's

:16:28. > :16:29.School of Art is being unveiled 3D visualisations of

:16:30. > :16:32.the fire-damaged Mackintosh Building have been created to assist

:16:33. > :16:37.the restoration project. But it turns out they're almost

:16:38. > :16:40.works of art in themselves. As Graham Stewart's

:16:41. > :16:51.been discovering. A slice of Macintosh's masterpiece.

:16:52. > :16:57.Like peering into a dolls house, these incredibly detailed images

:16:58. > :17:01.record every nook and cranny of the architect's defining work. They are

:17:02. > :17:06.brutal and for the ongoing restoration of the building but it

:17:07. > :17:09.turns out they are practically works of art in themselves. -- they are a

:17:10. > :17:13.blueprint for. Every time I see these images, I get ridiculously

:17:14. > :17:18.excited. They are stunningly beautiful and what is about it, and

:17:19. > :17:21.the thing I am always asking, have you done anything in Photoshopped

:17:22. > :17:25.with those? Because they are layered and they look like paintings. They

:17:26. > :17:30.have these beautiful textures and it is really the result of the scans

:17:31. > :17:33.and the layering of the scams. So in a way, does this almost give us a

:17:34. > :17:38.new perspective on Macintosh? A completely new perspective. One of

:17:39. > :17:43.the most exciting things for me and looking at these, some of the images

:17:44. > :17:46.I have just seen for the first time today, is that there is always a

:17:47. > :17:51.different view of the building. You see the building in ways you have

:17:52. > :17:54.never seen it before, complete sections, cuts through the middle of

:17:55. > :17:58.the building. We always knew how wide it was but you suddenly realise

:17:59. > :18:04.how tall it was. You realise how many different volumes of space work

:18:05. > :18:07.together. In ways that you could not possibly have seen before. The

:18:08. > :18:13.three-day scanning has been done in-house by the School of art centre

:18:14. > :18:18.for digital visualisation. Having already document iconic buildings

:18:19. > :18:24.like the Sydney Opera house, they found the Mackintosh building no

:18:25. > :18:28.less, Lex. So far, the data is comprised from 500 individual scans.

:18:29. > :18:32.Almost 15 billion points of information. It is an incredibly,

:18:33. > :18:35.kitted building, and maintaining an accurate survey throughout a

:18:36. > :18:41.structure like this is quite a challenge. So it has been a

:18:42. > :18:44.difficult project to undertake but the results are quite stunning. In a

:18:45. > :18:49.way, it is one of the few positives to come from that awful fire of 2014

:18:50. > :18:54.when a small canister of expanding foam started a blaze in the basement

:18:55. > :19:00.of the building. The fire quickly spread upwards, engulfing the iconic

:19:01. > :19:03.Macintosh library. The world's architectural community was

:19:04. > :19:06.heartbroken. The library, regarded as one of the most important

:19:07. > :19:11.interiors of the 20th century, lay in ruins. The sandstone pillars

:19:12. > :19:17.holding up the roof of the library were scorched in the intense heat of

:19:18. > :19:20.the fire. They are currently being stripped down and reconstructed. In

:19:21. > :19:24.the meantime, this temporary structure is essentially holding

:19:25. > :19:27.together this part of the building so the three-day visualisation is

:19:28. > :19:32.for the moment are the only unobscured view is we have of this

:19:33. > :19:36.iconic library. And those visualisation is now available for

:19:37. > :19:39.all to see. The exhibition opens tomorrow in the article's read

:19:40. > :19:41.building and runs until the end of the month.

:19:42. > :19:44.Now, joining me to discuss the day's big stories are the political

:19:45. > :19:49.commentator Paul Gilbride and journalist Dominic Hinde.

:19:50. > :19:55.Good evening to you both. Let's start again and talk about Brexit.

:19:56. > :19:58.A new report has warned that Scotland could lose between 30,000

:19:59. > :20:01.and 80,000 jobs as a consequence of leaving the European Union.

:20:02. > :20:04.The report from the Fraser of Allander Institute suggests

:20:05. > :20:07.the relative impact on the rest of the UK could be even greater.

:20:08. > :20:09.The issue dominated questions to the First Minister

:20:10. > :20:22.My position is also to face up to the realities ahead of us, to

:20:23. > :20:26.mitigate risks and take advantage of opportunities. And this Parliament

:20:27. > :20:30.now faces a choice about whether to put the lines share of this effort

:20:31. > :20:35.into examining practical solutions or simply complaining about the

:20:36. > :20:38.results. Which is it to be, First Minister? Scotland finds itself in a

:20:39. > :20:43.situation we did not ask to be in. We are in this situation facing all

:20:44. > :20:46.the risks we face because of the recklessness of the Conservative

:20:47. > :20:50.government in Westminster. My job and the job of this government is to

:20:51. > :20:55.protect Scotland's interests and that is exactly what we will

:20:56. > :20:59.continue to do. What did you make of that exchange today? Do you think

:21:00. > :21:03.Ruth Davidson is finding herself in a difficult position, at odds with

:21:04. > :21:07.the UK Conservative leader? Ultimately, she is but the thing

:21:08. > :21:12.about with Davidson, she is a victim of her own success in a way. She has

:21:13. > :21:16.definitely tried to put clear that water between the Scottish

:21:17. > :21:20.Conservatives and the Tory Party down south. So inevitably there is

:21:21. > :21:25.going to be tensions. The fact of the matter is she is now saying that

:21:26. > :21:30.we are where we are an Brexit is going to happen, but we want to

:21:31. > :21:35.remain within a single market, which makes perfect economic sense. But

:21:36. > :21:41.the SNP will always try to exploit the differences between party

:21:42. > :21:46.leaders appear and the wider UK parties down south. Looking at it

:21:47. > :21:51.from Nicola Sturgeon's perspective, do you think she is going to just

:21:52. > :21:56.have to continue her message that she is trying to forge a good deal

:21:57. > :22:00.for Scotland, even though that might not be possible? I think when you

:22:01. > :22:03.look at the SNP strategy, it is designed to fail and set a number of

:22:04. > :22:07.tests that the Westminster government is not going to be able

:22:08. > :22:11.to meet. When the vote happened, there was talk about Scotland being

:22:12. > :22:23.part of the UK and being in the EU as well but that was never going to

:22:24. > :22:26.happen. There is no legal precedent. It is very legally difficult. Nicola

:22:27. > :22:28.Sturgeon knows what she's doing and she is asking questions that she

:22:29. > :22:30.knows cannot be answered and that will be the trigger for another

:22:31. > :22:32.referendum on independence or it will help engineer another

:22:33. > :22:35.referendum for Scotland on a more general level. Immigration has been

:22:36. > :22:37.a big issue this week, discussed that the Tory Party conference.

:22:38. > :22:43.There was a lot of reaction to what was said yesterday. Absolutely on

:22:44. > :22:52.the suggestion by Amber Rudd that there should be a list... There was

:22:53. > :22:57.a famous sketch in Dad's Army when captain Mannering said, don't tell

:22:58. > :23:08.them your name, Pike, and the German officer said, your name will also go

:23:09. > :23:14.on the list. Immigration, as Theresa May said, there is no way that the

:23:15. > :23:19.government is going to give up that message. Immigration was a key

:23:20. > :23:22.message. People want controlled immigration in the UK and that is

:23:23. > :23:26.non-negotiable as far as she is concerned. But the tone of the

:23:27. > :23:30.language will be important. You see a big difference between the read --

:23:31. > :23:35.between David Cameron and Theresa May on this. David Cameron said he

:23:36. > :23:38.wanted immigration to win voters. Theresa May, having spoken to people

:23:39. > :23:42.inside the government, it seems like she is a genuine believer and

:23:43. > :23:45.believe strongly that immigration is too high in Britain. The problem is

:23:46. > :23:51.that Nicola Sturgeon does not. There is no common ground between them.

:23:52. > :23:54.And the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, is in Glasgow tonight,

:23:55. > :23:58.giving the Jimmy Reed Memorial lecture in Govan. He took the

:23:59. > :24:02.opportunity to attack what he described as the xenophobia of the

:24:03. > :24:06.Conservatives. We have to be careful with the language here at the

:24:07. > :24:19.moment. Nicola used this word again today, xenophobic. If you are going

:24:20. > :24:26.to portray Scots that voted to leave the EU as xenophobic, it is not the

:24:27. > :24:31.best strategy for success. About one third of SNP voters do not believe

:24:32. > :24:35.that Scotland should be in the EU. You have to separate between UK

:24:36. > :24:43.Government policy on people who voted to leave the EU. That is two

:24:44. > :24:47.very separate areas. Today we see children in primary schools having

:24:48. > :24:50.their names collected, asking companies to collect the names of

:24:51. > :24:56.foreign workers. The company knows which companies employ foreign

:24:57. > :25:01.workers because they have the tax list. It is about weapon I think

:25:02. > :25:04.that fear. And Jeremy Corbyn announced his Shadow Cabinet jobs

:25:05. > :25:09.today. Diane Abbott has been made Shadow Home Secretary. No great

:25:10. > :25:19.surprise, considering the long-standing relationship between

:25:20. > :25:21.Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott. She was the Shadow Health Secretary and

:25:22. > :25:26.he has taken this opportunity now that his hand has been strengthened

:25:27. > :25:33.after the leadership election. He has shaped the Cabinet as much as he

:25:34. > :25:38.can in his own image. And he has taken the opportunity to strengthen

:25:39. > :25:42.his own support. He has brought in Nick Browne, Gordon Brown ally. Was

:25:43. > :25:47.that a an attempt to bring in the right side of the party? I think he

:25:48. > :25:51.believes is central enough that can have him on board. There is a logic

:25:52. > :25:54.to having people that are not entirely sympathetic but are

:25:55. > :25:58.prepared to cooperate to ensure a Labour victory. We see a Jeremy

:25:59. > :26:02.Corbyn is try to shore himself up and is an idea of legitimacy, that

:26:03. > :26:07.he has not had the chance to prove himself with his team yet. Now he

:26:08. > :26:10.has a cabinet of people he has chosen without compromise and that

:26:11. > :26:14.will allow him to perform or fail on his own terms. He has one obstacle

:26:15. > :26:19.and that is Labour Party HQ, run by people who are opposed to them. If

:26:20. > :26:22.he can crack that and achieved control, then we can see what he can

:26:23. > :26:26.do. Another big political story in the papers today.

:26:27. > :26:27.Ukip are in the headlines after leadership hopeful

:26:28. > :26:31.Steven Woolfe was taken to hospital after a reported fight at a meeting

:26:32. > :26:35.Nigel Farage is back as the party's interim leader until a fresh

:26:36. > :26:38.election to find a successor to Diane James, who resigned two

:26:39. > :26:44.All looking very chaotic. It does not look very professional at all. I

:26:45. > :26:49.think what this actually shows, a lot of people have been thinking

:26:50. > :26:52.what is the problem? Why is Diane James resigning after just 18 days?

:26:53. > :26:58.We're trying to figure what is going on at the top of Ukip. It is not so

:26:59. > :27:03.much political or policy differences, it is down to

:27:04. > :27:06.personalities here. Do they have a place? Know that they have got what

:27:07. > :27:12.they wanted, they have got Britain's exit from Europe... It will become

:27:13. > :27:15.very difficult for them. When Britain leaves the EU, they will

:27:16. > :27:20.lose their income stream and MEPs. Without a coherent platform, it will

:27:21. > :27:24.be hard for them to find a place when the Conservative Party has

:27:25. > :27:27.taken that hardline anti-immigration ground from them. Do you think Nigel

:27:28. > :27:32.Farage will stay long or do you think he might not have any choice?

:27:33. > :27:37.I don't think he has much choice but I think the man is tired. He said he

:27:38. > :27:42.wants to stand down. He does not want to step back into the breaches

:27:43. > :27:49.for too long. I think there will be a new leader before tomorrow. Thank

:27:50. > :27:50.you very much for coming in. We will be back again on Monday. Until then,

:27:51. > :27:59.bye-bye.