:00:00. > :00:00.The people have spoken but should Parliament have a role
:00:07. > :00:09.in scrutinising the Government's plans for Brexit?
:00:10. > :00:30.Good evening and welcome to Scotland 2016.
:00:31. > :00:32.Brexit was supposed to put Parliament back in charge
:00:33. > :00:35.so why won't the Government let it debate when
:00:36. > :00:39.The SNP conference starts tomorrow but is Nicola Sturgeon
:00:40. > :00:43.And I'll be speaking to a Syrian Nun who's been living in Aleppo
:00:44. > :00:53.The Prime Minister keeps on insisting that she won't give
:00:54. > :00:55.Parliament a running commentary on Brexit.
:00:56. > :00:59.The UK Government says that would undermine its negotiating position.
:01:00. > :01:02.But it's not clear at this stage that it even has
:01:03. > :01:06.Today at Prime Minister's Questions, Jeremy Corbyn branded
:01:07. > :01:11.Theresa May's Brexit strategy "shambolic" and a Labour-led debate
:01:12. > :01:15.that followed did little to dispel that assertion.
:01:16. > :01:30.Then the vote to leave the EU, we have been told by Theresa May that
:01:31. > :01:34.Brexit means Brexit. But the Prime Minister has offered little in terms
:01:35. > :01:37.of what this might actually be. The whole idea of leaving the EU was to
:01:38. > :01:41.take control away from Brussels and give it back to Parliament. But
:01:42. > :01:47.there are many who feel cheated and left out. At Prime Minister's
:01:48. > :01:51.Questions Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn accused the government of
:01:52. > :01:58.leading a shambolic Brexit process. This is a government to drop no
:01:59. > :02:05.plans for Brexit, no has no strategy for negotiating it and offers no
:02:06. > :02:09.clarity -- clarity, transparency or scrutiny of the strategy.
:02:10. > :02:13.Which was swiftly dismissed by the Prime Minister.
:02:14. > :02:16.I'm optimistic about the prospects of this country once we leave. I'm
:02:17. > :02:20.optimistic about the trade deals that other countries are actively
:02:21. > :02:24.coming to us to say they want to do with the United Kingdom. And I'm
:02:25. > :02:28.optimistic about what we will be able to ensure about making our
:02:29. > :02:35.economy grow. The government doesn't want to show
:02:36. > :02:40.its hand. We know the devolved administrations want an negotiating
:02:41. > :02:44.role but have been knocked back. However, this afternoon MPs debated
:02:45. > :02:49.a Labour motion on the government's plans for Brexit. This response to
:02:50. > :02:54.Alex Salmond's question illustrated her little discussion has taken
:02:55. > :02:57.place. Agriculture is not devolved so
:02:58. > :03:02.unless the government changes that position it will be automatic that
:03:03. > :03:07.agriculture and fisheries powers will go to Scottish Government.
:03:08. > :03:10.This is an area where we have not addressed or talk to the devolved
:03:11. > :03:18.administration yet but we will do so.
:03:19. > :03:22.Earlier in the day, on a similar point the Secretary of State for
:03:23. > :03:27.Scotland had this to say. It is self-evident that because the
:03:28. > :03:30.devolution settlement in the United Kingdom are predicated on the basis
:03:31. > :03:34.that United Kingdom was a member of the European Union then those
:03:35. > :03:40.devolution settlements will need to be changed by the United Kingdom
:03:41. > :03:42.leaving the EU and those matters will be subject to debate and
:03:43. > :03:46.discussion. Not only our opposition parties
:03:47. > :03:47.angry at being locked out of negotiations, they say they don't
:03:48. > :03:49.even know what we're negotiating on. Earlier, I spoke to our Westminster
:03:50. > :04:00.Correspondent, Nick Eardley. Parliament really started to flex
:04:01. > :04:04.its muscle to date but there is the question of who has the mandate. The
:04:05. > :04:08.people have spoken but ministers have a role as well.
:04:09. > :04:14.The mandate question is crucial. The obvious mandate of the UK Government
:04:15. > :04:19.is the Vote Leave on the 23rd of June. The next question is what does
:04:20. > :04:24.that vote mean? During the Tory party conference last week, we saw
:04:25. > :04:29.an indication that the UK Government wanted to see the process through
:04:30. > :04:33.the way it sees fit but a number of MPs today have made clear that they
:04:34. > :04:37.do not think that is good enough, they want Parliament to be consulted
:04:38. > :04:42.on different parts of this process, they don't think that the line vote
:04:43. > :04:48.should give the UK Government a blank cheque to do what it wants
:04:49. > :04:53.and, on top of that, they fear that the Prime Minister is being
:04:54. > :04:57.influenced more by what they see as the hard Brexiteers in her Cabinet
:04:58. > :05:01.and on the backbenchers and that is without even bringing in the
:05:02. > :05:07.Scottish day mentioned. The majority of voters here backed remain so
:05:08. > :05:11.another layer of complexity. The problem the Prime Minister faces
:05:12. > :05:17.of that any vote in parliament, you have a parliament fool of MPs who
:05:18. > :05:20.voted for remain and could cause all sorts of problems.
:05:21. > :05:23.Theresa May has a wafer thin majority in the Commons so getting
:05:24. > :05:28.anything controversial than can be quite difficult. The Labour Party
:05:29. > :05:33.has said it will respect the result of the EU Referendum Bill across the
:05:34. > :05:39.UK but there are nuances here. The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn doesn't
:05:40. > :05:48.think immigration should come down which was a key part of what the UK
:05:49. > :05:55.Government are looking for. Strong access to the single market is
:05:56. > :06:06.essential to some. You can see their hard different ways of taking what
:06:07. > :06:14.the Brexit vote means. The UK Government doesn't want to give its
:06:15. > :06:18.hand away. Scottish Secretary David Mundell
:06:19. > :06:24.says there are opportunities for Scotland in Brexit. Is this a
:06:25. > :06:30.reference to possible new powers? If you think back to the referendum
:06:31. > :06:35.campaign, the Leave site Scotland made that point. A number of powers
:06:36. > :06:41.would come back to Hollywood being one of the key arguments. David
:06:42. > :06:44.Mundell was asked what would happen post-Brexit and he said it was
:06:45. > :06:52.possible more powers would come Scotland's way. A lot of current
:06:53. > :06:56.devolution laws are based on the UK being in the EU. There will be a
:06:57. > :07:10.debate on what will happen to those powers. What did UK Government and
:07:11. > :07:16.many people who voted to remain want to see is that there are
:07:17. > :07:18.opportunities to take, there will be some bumps on the road but there
:07:19. > :07:20.will be some positives as well. I'm joined now from Edinburgh
:07:21. > :07:22.by the Conservative's Dean Lockhart and from Aberdeen by Labour's Lewis
:07:23. > :07:32.Macdonald. Why shouldn't Parliament have at
:07:33. > :07:35.least a debate over the broad outlines of the government's
:07:36. > :07:40.negotiating position? I think what the Prime Minister has
:07:41. > :07:42.made clear is the timing of triggering article 50 and the
:07:43. > :07:48.overall objective in terms of what we're trying to achieve, which is to
:07:49. > :07:53.gain the maximum possible access to the single market, which I think
:07:54. > :07:56.everyone shares from a business and economic perspective. I think from
:07:57. > :08:07.the other side to see that there should be a running commentary of
:08:08. > :08:09.negotiating position isn't recognising the reality of what
:08:10. > :08:12.happens during the negotiation. So I think that we have the broad outline
:08:13. > :08:14.of what we're trying to achieve and what I think that people want to see
:08:15. > :08:17.is real leadership from the politicians who are acting in the
:08:18. > :08:26.best interests of the nation. When I MPs going to get a vote?
:08:27. > :08:31.Before or after Brexit? They will be ongoing whenever there
:08:32. > :08:35.will be different stages of the process. There will be announcements
:08:36. > :08:40.between the UK and EU in relation to different aspects of Brexit and that
:08:41. > :08:45.will be a that Parliament can give scrutiny. I go back to the point on
:08:46. > :08:48.leadership. We have seen real leadership from the Prime Minister
:08:49. > :08:51.and from Ruth Davidson, who are acting in the best interests of the
:08:52. > :08:54.nation. But we don't know what the
:08:55. > :08:58.Conservatives' because seating position as yet. Do you want to be a
:08:59. > :09:05.member of the single market? It is not being a member of the
:09:06. > :09:10.single market, it is about different access levels. People talk about the
:09:11. > :09:15.Swiss or the Norwegian approach. We are the second largest economy in
:09:16. > :09:19.Europe and the fastest growing one. The EU depends more on jobs in terms
:09:20. > :09:23.of exports to the a kid and vice versa so I think we can be in a very
:09:24. > :09:29.strong negotiating position where we can reach up this book agreement
:09:30. > :09:36.that is in the best interests of the UK and Scotland.
:09:37. > :09:41.Labour put forward 170 questions of the government today. If it answered
:09:42. > :09:44.those questions it would completely reveal its hand before negotiations
:09:45. > :09:51.started. That is ridiculous, isn't it? If it
:09:52. > :09:56.and to some of those questions then the public would have some idea of
:09:57. > :10:04.what they are after. I think Theresa May was found out today. No win the
:10:05. > :10:08.debate comes up in Parliament we see that many are unhappy at that lack
:10:09. > :10:12.of transparency. You are in favour of the single
:10:13. > :10:19.market but Jeremy Corbyn is not quite clear.
:10:20. > :10:23.Jeremy Corbyn is very clear. Labour wrote to the government today at
:10:24. > :10:30.Westminster to say, let's have a clear route into the single market.
:10:31. > :10:32.That would be a big help to people to understand.
:10:33. > :10:38.So Jeremy Corbyn wants to remain in the single market as a full member?
:10:39. > :10:43.When I see Theresa May got found out today, I think it is not that she
:10:44. > :10:47.wants to keep secret whether she wants Britain to remain in the
:10:48. > :10:53.single market, it is that she cannot get agreement around her Cabinet
:10:54. > :11:02.table. That has become clear today. The cabinet do not have an agreed
:11:03. > :11:07.position on this. I think there is a consensus that we
:11:08. > :11:12.should continue to have access to the single market and that is a
:11:13. > :11:20.common consensus across the board. What does that mean?
:11:21. > :11:24.It means we negotiate from a strong position. We are in a strong
:11:25. > :11:31.position economically to negotiate strong terms and a bespoke agreement
:11:32. > :11:34.for the UK. I find it ironic we're getting the term shambles from
:11:35. > :11:39.Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party. Obviously they have great experience
:11:40. > :11:44.of shambles. This is an approach where anybody involved in
:11:45. > :11:48.international trading negotiations will tell you you can set of the
:11:49. > :11:51.road map but you cannot let out the details of what you are trying to
:11:52. > :11:55.achieve. It is simple business economic sense.
:11:56. > :12:01.Why don't we know whether the government wants to be part of the
:12:02. > :12:07.single market? I will answer your question. Yes, we
:12:08. > :12:11.want maximum possible access to the single market. That is what the
:12:12. > :12:16.Prime Minister said today. That means membership.
:12:17. > :12:20.You're mistaking it as a binary proposition where you have
:12:21. > :12:23.membership or not. You can have levels of access to the single
:12:24. > :12:30.market meaning you don't need to be a member of the EU.
:12:31. > :12:33.Lots of countries have access to the single market but it doesn't always
:12:34. > :12:38.mean that you will have access to the single market in services. It
:12:39. > :12:42.may be in goods, lots of countries have that, but services is a
:12:43. > :12:48.different matter. That is the point I'm trying to make
:12:49. > :12:55.to Lewis, it is up for negotiation. We can look at models agreed with
:12:56. > :12:59.Norway or Switzerland but their economies are far smaller than the
:13:00. > :13:04.UK. We will have a very strong negotiating position to set down
:13:05. > :13:07.with their European counterparts and work out an agreement.
:13:08. > :13:14.But does the British government want that agreement to include membership
:13:15. > :13:15.of the single market and protection of employment rights and
:13:16. > :13:19.environmental protection that we have at the moment or do they want
:13:20. > :13:24.to walk away from them as Chamakh those are the fundamental questions.
:13:25. > :13:28.I understand Theresa May doesn't need to answer all those questions
:13:29. > :13:32.Pujara today but she needs to lead Britain know what she wants to
:13:33. > :13:35.achieve in these negotiations. The Japanese government have already
:13:36. > :13:40.said clearly that if you do not see what you want then Japan cannot make
:13:41. > :13:41.investment. If that is true for Japan, it will be true for other
:13:42. > :13:43.countries. Now, tomorrow sees
:13:44. > :13:45.the start of the SNP's conference and now, to chew over
:13:46. > :13:48.what might be coming up, I'm joined by journalist and former speech
:13:49. > :13:57.writer for the party Andy Collier. If you were writing Nicola
:13:58. > :14:03.Sturgeon's speech tomorrow, how often would you insert the phrase
:14:04. > :14:07.independence referendum? She has to have it in there because
:14:08. > :14:11.it is the one thing that this conference is going to be talking
:14:12. > :14:15.about all the time, in the bars and around the place. It is the one big
:14:16. > :14:22.subject of this conference so she has to talk about it.
:14:23. > :14:24.Though she get a firm commitment and the timetable?
:14:25. > :14:27.I don't think we will get either of those things. She needs to bring
:14:28. > :14:34.some clarity. You have these two sides of the argument. A lot of new
:14:35. > :14:36.members are people enthusiastic to have the referendum as soon as
:14:37. > :14:44.possible but perhaps more experienced heads, people like Alex
:14:45. > :14:48.Neil and Kenny McAskill who are saying let's hold off and see how
:14:49. > :14:53.this goes, let's leave it for a bit. It will be interesting to see how
:14:54. > :14:58.those two different sides play out of this conference and how that big
:14:59. > :15:03.speech on Saturday afternoon will see Nicola Sturgeon approach it. I
:15:04. > :15:06.think she will try to get both sides hope, probably something to rally
:15:07. > :15:10.them and keep their enthusiasm up, but don't be surprised if she gave a
:15:11. > :15:16.date. Isn't the problem that she has
:15:17. > :15:20.raised the stakes so high. She set out five conditions including
:15:21. > :15:24.safeguarding the free movement of labour and having not just access to
:15:25. > :15:28.the single market but also a role in shaping its rules. If we are headed
:15:29. > :15:31.for a hard Brexit she could be coming out of this with nothing.
:15:32. > :15:38.We just know what is going to happen. To be fair to Nicola
:15:39. > :15:42.Sturgeon, she grasped this one from straight after the referendum when
:15:43. > :15:45.she got a bed be hard for skull and's interests. She went to
:15:46. > :15:49.Brussels. Who did she meet and what agreements
:15:50. > :15:53.did she get? She might not have got many
:15:54. > :15:57.agreements but she certainly got the sympathy and was listened to. She is
:15:58. > :16:00.in the same position as the rest of us in that she does not know what
:16:01. > :16:04.the UK Government is planning. We are all in the dark on this one and
:16:05. > :16:09.that is another reason not to have an early referendum because if you
:16:10. > :16:13.did that when we already have huge uncertainty over Brexit that would
:16:14. > :16:18.create more uncertainty. Was one of the purposes of seeking
:16:19. > :16:22.to speak to European leaders not to try and secure some guarantee that
:16:23. > :16:26.of Scotland voted for independence then we could stay in Europe?
:16:27. > :16:30.I think it is impossible for Europe at this stage to give this guarantee
:16:31. > :16:34.or any guarantee like that because we don't know what the position is
:16:35. > :16:40.going to be. I do for Scotland for the UK or come to that for Europe.
:16:41. > :16:42.We don't know how this will fit together and we are absolutely in
:16:43. > :16:47.the dark so she cannot take guarantee is back at this stage. She
:16:48. > :16:52.will say that she is talking and she is talking, she is being positive,
:16:53. > :16:56.but she has made clear that has a problem and we have lots of hurdles
:16:57. > :17:00.to jump through before we get to any conclusion.
:17:01. > :17:03.The polls being one of them but many people in the party would accept
:17:04. > :17:09.that -- suggest that the closer we did get to our deal, the polls may
:17:10. > :17:13.call to Nicola Sturgeon's fever but it is a gamble because she would
:17:14. > :17:16.need to trigger the tenth of a referendum soon.
:17:17. > :17:25.It is a total gamble. We just don't know. There was a lot of expectation
:17:26. > :17:28.of the referendum that the vote in favour of independence, the polls
:17:29. > :17:31.would start to shift heavily. But we have not seen that. If anything that
:17:32. > :17:36.was a blip upwards after the vote but since then it has stayed in the
:17:37. > :17:39.same space that was when we had a vote.
:17:40. > :17:42.Briefly, do you think she will be able to contain expectations of the
:17:43. > :17:47.party faithful? She will because she is strong and
:17:48. > :17:51.unchallenged. People like her, she is hugely popular but I don't think
:17:52. > :17:54.it will be easier just so has the problem the long term to deal with.
:17:55. > :17:58.Now, Sister Annie Demerjian, is a Catholic nun born in Syria
:17:59. > :18:00.and based in Aleppo who provides emergency aid and support
:18:01. > :18:06.She's left that desperate city to come to Scotland as part
:18:07. > :18:09.of an event organised by Aid To The Church In Need,
:18:10. > :18:12.a Catholic charity helping those suffering persecution.
:18:13. > :18:18.Earlier tonight, she came in to the studio.
:18:19. > :18:37.Can you describe the situation to me in Allah Pope before you left? -- in
:18:38. > :18:44.Allah Pope. -- Aleppo. Last week it was a very difficult time for is. In
:18:45. > :18:49.one week, we had more than 13 shells and bombs and rockets on different
:18:50. > :18:57.places in Aleppo, especially residential places. Many were killed
:18:58. > :19:06.and injured and just, you know, on the Facebook they put pieces of the
:19:07. > :19:12.body here and there and one family lost her one daughter and her son,
:19:13. > :19:24.two members of the family. The third was injured. So, many people died.
:19:25. > :19:28.It was very sad for Aleppo. Everyday we have someone to bury and to say
:19:29. > :19:34.goodbye and that is very sad the people. How on earth do the people
:19:35. > :19:41.cope with that? That's the ultimate test of the human spirit. Yes. I
:19:42. > :19:51.think the only strength they get is from God. We feel God's power in our
:19:52. > :20:02.heart so we can cope with the everyday difficulties and suffering
:20:03. > :20:07.and experiences. I'm wondering, as a none, this must challenge of faith
:20:08. > :20:15.to some extent. You must ask questions, what kind of God could be
:20:16. > :20:21.responsible for this? Many people ask this question, why? For others,
:20:22. > :20:29.it's a very challenging and difficult to see the cry of our
:20:30. > :20:37.people every day. You need to be present, you need to be strong so we
:20:38. > :20:44.can trust from this strength to them and they will feel that it you are
:20:45. > :20:51.with them. It's not easy. We trust in the Lord and we believe in him.
:20:52. > :20:59.We know our God is not a god of War, or not a God of violence. A God of
:21:00. > :21:04.mercy and God of love. It's our mission, how we transfer this
:21:05. > :21:11.message to the people we meet. Our God is God of love, of mercy...
:21:12. > :21:17.Aside from spiritual help, humanitarian aid, is that getting
:21:18. > :21:23.through? Loew yes. Many organisations, many churches are
:21:24. > :21:37.doing a great job in Aleppo. They are trying to help many people. Are
:21:38. > :21:44.the medical facilities? Some hospitals are still working and they
:21:45. > :21:47.get some help, even if it's not... Even if it's not complete, or there
:21:48. > :21:55.is something lacking they will transfer them to another city. Yes,
:21:56. > :22:03.they do all kind of medical help for that person. What do you see, when
:22:04. > :22:08.you look at the pictures behind as of the destruction of Aleppo, a once
:22:09. > :22:14.beautiful city, a US envoy to Syria said that the city could be
:22:15. > :22:23.destroyed by Christmas. We hope and we pray, no. We hope not. It's not
:22:24. > :22:30.easy to see your home, your city destroyed like that. When the war
:22:31. > :22:38.will stop, our people are strong enough to build our city again and I
:22:39. > :22:43.can see, because really the power they have, the young people, I'm
:22:44. > :22:50.sure when the war stopped, all of them were built it beautiful again.
:22:51. > :22:57.Is it possible for people to escape from the city or are they, in a
:22:58. > :23:04.sense, stuck there? Sometimes. There is a road, longer than before,
:23:05. > :23:10.before the crisis. We can pass from this road and walk, go to Damascus
:23:11. > :23:15.and other cities. Sometimes when there is fighting, the road will be
:23:16. > :23:22.closed. Everything will be stopped entering the city. But it's OK. It's
:23:23. > :23:30.available to go and come, even if it's double hours to travel. What
:23:31. > :23:38.makes you want to stay in Aleppo? The people. We can't stay with them
:23:39. > :23:46.when they are just in peace and happy. When there is pain and
:23:47. > :23:51.suffering, we believe them. We are with them with everything, with
:23:52. > :23:57.happiness and with difficulties. This is our mission. We offer our
:23:58. > :24:03.life to God. So God now is suffering with the suffering of our people and
:24:04. > :24:05.this is our mission there. Thank you. We really appreciate you coming
:24:06. > :24:08.in to join us. With me now to discuss
:24:09. > :24:10.some of today's news, I'm joined by Cat Boyd
:24:11. > :24:12.who's an activist for RISE, Scotland's Left Alliance,
:24:13. > :24:14.and by the political editor of Glasgow's Evening Times,
:24:15. > :24:24.Stewart Paterson. Stewart, can we do much more to help
:24:25. > :24:30.the people of Aleppo? We could on a daily basis. The children of Aleppo
:24:31. > :24:34.are being orphaned, maimed, killed. We could be getting as many of those
:24:35. > :24:38.children out of there and keeping them safe until there is peace and
:24:39. > :24:42.then they can go back and build the country. There is enough people
:24:43. > :24:50.dropping bombs on that country just now. We need to help people, get
:24:51. > :24:55.them safe, the people trapped there, help them to survive through this
:24:56. > :24:58.awful onslaught. It is difficult for others who are not politicians,
:24:59. > :25:05.watching these appalling images on our television screens. Absolutely.
:25:06. > :25:10.Every time I turn on the television, I wonder what horrific thing I'm
:25:11. > :25:14.going to see across the world, particularly in Aleppo. It's great
:25:15. > :25:19.to see women like a sister Annie on the TV with that message of hope,
:25:20. > :25:23.not giving up on the people of Aleppo and making sure there is some
:25:24. > :25:29.kind of future that is going to be there. Ultimately, I would hope that
:25:30. > :25:38.none of the right wing politicians that have come out of the woodwork
:25:39. > :25:42.in the last few days asking for Western intervention have no
:25:43. > :25:45.traction. Stuart is absolutely right, Western intervention is not
:25:46. > :25:53.going to have those people have a future. Let's talk about Brexit. Do
:25:54. > :25:57.you think that Parliament needs to have a role not just discussing
:25:58. > :26:02.Brexit but having some say in the negotiation process? It has two. The
:26:03. > :26:08.role of Parliament is to scrutinise the government and to add to the
:26:09. > :26:12.policies of the government. For Theresa May and the Conservatives to
:26:13. > :26:18.try and do this behind closed doors in secret is not sustainable. Nobody
:26:19. > :26:23.knows, other than that people voted to leave the EU, nobody knows what
:26:24. > :26:29.they voted for. Was it an immigration, trade, the fact that it
:26:30. > :26:34.is an overblown bureaucracy? They don't really know that. Parliament
:26:35. > :26:41.as a representative of the people has to have a say in devising that
:26:42. > :26:43.strategy. One thing was clear, people wanted to leave the European
:26:44. > :26:55.Union, surely that entails leaving the single market and freedom of
:26:56. > :26:59.movement. If democracy on the 23rd of June was good enough for them,
:27:00. > :27:04.democracy should be good enough now. That negotiation should be handled
:27:05. > :27:11.as transparent as possible. Some people say it was a revolt against
:27:12. > :27:17.an unaccountable elite. The people in charge having discussions behind
:27:18. > :27:26.closed doors, are we going to allow that? Back in 2014, wouldn't you be
:27:27. > :27:30.arguing about the same opponents saying people weren't sure what they
:27:31. > :27:36.were voting for, let's unpick this. You would have been saying, the
:27:37. > :27:39.result was clear. I would want every single citizen in Scotland to be
:27:40. > :27:46.able to see what was being negotiated. For me, independence was
:27:47. > :27:49.about democracy, sovereignty and taking control of our own lives and
:27:50. > :27:56.futures. I would want everybody to part of that conversation, yes, or
:27:57. > :28:01.no. That is my position. We don't know what people voted for with
:28:02. > :28:05.Brexit but they didn't vote for a reduction in the minimum wage, we've
:28:06. > :28:10.had reports out saying that the minimum wage is going to rise at a
:28:11. > :28:15.much lower rate because of Brexit. You certainly didn't vote for that.
:28:16. > :28:20.These negotiations need to be as transparent as possible and
:28:21. > :28:23.Parliament should have a say. Talking about the SNP conference,
:28:24. > :28:30.will delegates be going with a spring in their step? I'm not sure.
:28:31. > :28:38.De-arrest in the has thrown the SNP off-course a little bit. -- DDE you
:28:39. > :28:47.-- the EU referendum. It has thrown a spanner in the works. Nicola
:28:48. > :28:52.Sturgeon has to wait until she knows what the UK position is before they
:28:53. > :29:02.can use that as a mechanism for a second referendum. Do you think that
:29:03. > :29:06.is right? Wait first. I like to be impatient about these things. I
:29:07. > :29:13.would like a second referendum. The UK is an absolute disaster. We have
:29:14. > :29:21.seen this today with the debate, the pound is crashing, the economy is in
:29:22. > :29:25.disarray. When these economic shocks happen, time and time again it is
:29:26. > :29:29.working class people that paid the price. There needs to be a challenge
:29:30. > :29:34.to the UK state, that could come through independence and that is why
:29:35. > :29:42.we would like a referendum. Do you think Nicola Sturgeon will set a
:29:43. > :29:45.date? Absolutely not. A nice clear answer.
:29:46. > :29:51.I'm back again tomorrow night, usual time.