:00:00. > :00:00.As Scottish ministers meet in Brussels, what are the options
:00:00. > :00:25.for protecting Scotland's place in the EU?
:00:26. > :00:27.Good evening and welcome to Scotland 2016.
:00:28. > :00:30.There was a two pronged Brexit attack from the Scottish
:00:31. > :00:34.In Europe Mike Russell and Fiona Hyslop become the latest
:00:35. > :00:40.Whilst in Westminster the SNP tried, and failed, to get the government
:00:41. > :00:51.to guarantee the rights of EU citizens living in the UK.
:00:52. > :00:54.So we've known for some time what the Scottish Government wants
:00:55. > :00:59.Things like membership of the Single Market,
:01:00. > :01:01.free movement of labour, control over agriculture
:01:02. > :01:05.But, of course, it's not just about trying to influence
:01:06. > :01:07.the Prime Minister's hands in negotiations.
:01:08. > :01:09.It's also about getting Europe on side.
:01:10. > :01:11.And today, Scottish Ministers travelled to Brussels
:01:12. > :01:17.Separately, the SNP led a debate at Westminster on the status of EU
:01:18. > :01:29.Andrew Black reports on the events of the day.
:01:30. > :01:37.Emmanuel was born in Paris, but has lived in Scotland since the early
:01:38. > :01:41.80s. She considers this place home. Almost four months after Britain
:01:42. > :01:47.voted to leave the EU she's concerned about the future.
:01:48. > :01:54.I'd consider myself an EU citizen. And that's what gives me the
:01:55. > :01:58.legitimacy soon be here. In a few months, in the run-up to the
:01:59. > :02:06.referendum, the language in public discussions changed. To capture all
:02:07. > :02:17.of us as EU migrants. That was quite a shock. Because with that kind of
:02:18. > :02:21.appellation came the implication that we weren't really legitimate
:02:22. > :02:24.residents in this country. Suddenly I found myself
:02:25. > :02:31.illegitimate. It was very marginalising. Emmanuel
:02:32. > :02:32.hopes her job as an academic at Glasgow Caledonian University mean
:02:33. > :02:39.she can stay. She is taking nothing for granted. I
:02:40. > :02:49.think I'm reasonably safe. I have a permanent job. So, yes, I did think,
:02:50. > :02:54.will it mean that I will have to leave or I'll have to take steps to
:02:55. > :02:57.be allowed to remain so I've considered applying for a permanent
:02:58. > :03:02.residency. I have filled in the form. The envelope is sealed and
:03:03. > :03:07.ready to go. That something is holding me back.
:03:08. > :03:14.In the Commons today be cheated of EU citizens took centre stage. As
:03:15. > :03:17.the SNP lead a debate on the issue. Home Office statistics published
:03:18. > :03:25.just over a week ago show that hate crimes have soared by 41%. Madam
:03:26. > :03:28.Deputy Speaker, I would suggest that this is a symptom of the negative
:03:29. > :03:34.and xenophobic rhetoric used by some, not all, by some in the lead
:03:35. > :03:40.to the referendum. This has had a major effect in legitimising hate
:03:41. > :03:51.crime on the part of a small but violent local majority minority. The
:03:52. > :03:56.SNP called on ministers to protect the rights of EU citizens living in
:03:57. > :04:00.Britain. The Government has been clear that it wants to protect the
:04:01. > :04:05.status of EU nationals in the UK. As the prime Minster has made clear
:04:06. > :04:08.the only circumstances in which that would not be possible are if British
:04:09. > :04:13.thousands rights and other UU members it were not protected in
:04:14. > :04:19.return. -- British citizens rights were not protected in return. The
:04:20. > :04:22.position has not changed. I'm sorry that the SNP has not included this
:04:23. > :04:27.reassurance and emotion. But people like this woman who moved
:04:28. > :04:32.from Poland ten years ago is worried.
:04:33. > :04:39.I'm anxious. I'm scared what's going to happen. I don't have citizenship.
:04:40. > :04:45.You know, I didn't need it. Second thing was, it's expensive to get.
:04:46. > :04:49.Meanwhile Scotland's Brexit minister was in Brussels lobbying for
:04:50. > :04:53.support. Mike Russell reckons Scotland would be able to stay in
:04:54. > :04:56.the single market even without the rest of the UK.
:04:57. > :05:00.I think there are those pathways. It's possible to pan out those
:05:01. > :05:05.pathways and get them implemented. That's what we're looking at. The EU
:05:06. > :05:09.as an institution is always creating how it works with other bodies. We
:05:10. > :05:15.want to make sure the imagination and creativity I replied.
:05:16. > :05:21.Not just ideology. As talks continue the date for Britain's Exeter EU
:05:22. > :05:23.draws ever closer. -- exit from the EU.
:05:24. > :05:25.Earlier I spoke to Ryan Heath, Politico's Senior EU
:05:26. > :05:39.Brian Heath, we had to Scottish Government ministers in Brussels
:05:40. > :05:42.today. What kind of reception is the Scottish Government getting?
:05:43. > :05:46.They are getting a warm reception but a realistic one at the same
:05:47. > :05:50.time. I think that when the ministers arrive, when they publish
:05:51. > :05:55.articles, they are listened to. But, at the end of the day, it's still
:05:56. > :05:58.the United Kingdom. Therefore Theresa May sort of gets
:05:59. > :06:09.the first preference when it comes to hearing from how the UK plans to
:06:10. > :06:11.handle Brexit. I think Nicola Sturgeon's government is about as
:06:12. > :06:14.organised as it can be. But the hands of people in Brussels are
:06:15. > :06:23.tied. London has to make the first move. So they can't say anything
:06:24. > :06:26.concrete or give a nod and a wink to the Scottish Government?
:06:27. > :06:31.Exactly. The first preference of most people here in Brussels is that
:06:32. > :06:35.the UK didn't vote to leave in the first place. Then the fray soft
:06:36. > :06:40.Brexit. They'd love you to stay in the single market if there was a way
:06:41. > :06:44.to do that. More people are waking up to the possibility, even the
:06:45. > :06:48.likelihood, that there is a hard Brexit. A full exit and figure the
:06:49. > :06:53.new leisure after that. It will be an uphill battle for the Scottish
:06:54. > :06:57.Government. Is it not possible that certain
:06:58. > :07:01.parts of the UK could come to separate deals. We've already seen
:07:02. > :07:05.suggestions that London could remain in the single market. Do you think
:07:06. > :07:13.that idea is being thought about in Europe? Is this sympathy for that?
:07:14. > :07:17.I think that at this point of the pre-negotiations, as it were, all
:07:18. > :07:21.options remain on the table. Legally speaking, it's up to the UK
:07:22. > :07:24.Government to consider what arrangement it would like to
:07:25. > :07:29.negotiate. Everything is certainly possible. It would be odd if there
:07:30. > :07:34.was a deal for London and not for some of the other devolved nations
:07:35. > :07:38.and regions. RBC, Scotland is first in a queue there. But I think it's
:07:39. > :07:46.not likely that Theresa May and her government will go to to take. It is
:07:47. > :07:52.possible but other arrangements are more likely. For example, Theresa
:07:53. > :07:56.May might choose for 100% break, so that she can talk to her hardline
:07:57. > :08:02.supporters to the Ukip rotors, to those who wanted a leave out and
:08:03. > :08:06.say, I delivered for you. While negotiating some kind of transition
:08:07. > :08:10.that is a little bit more like what Scotland is hoping for so there is a
:08:11. > :08:14.link to the single market. What do you mean by a transitional
:08:15. > :08:20.arrangement? Think of this as a soft landing. The
:08:21. > :08:25.UK is out, but it would mean that it's not jumping off a cliff. It
:08:26. > :08:31.would give the UK, including Scotland two or three years,
:08:32. > :08:36.possibly more, an opportunity to transition out of all of the EU's
:08:37. > :08:41.arrangements. You could still have that acts as to the single market.
:08:42. > :08:44.Things might be very different politically once those three years
:08:45. > :08:49.are up. It might be possible to argue about point that the UK, or
:08:50. > :08:53.Scotland in particular, likes that arrangement. They would negotiate to
:08:54. > :08:58.keep that over a longer term. I think Theresa May has a lot before
:08:59. > :09:02.her before those options are really considered right in front of her
:09:03. > :09:07.nose at the negotiation table. You don't think anything will be
:09:08. > :09:12.done and dusted in 2019? The only way to do that is if you
:09:13. > :09:16.have that hard Brexit where there is a clean cut. There is no way to do
:09:17. > :09:22.the tricky line by line negotiations in those two years. It's took seven
:09:23. > :09:26.years to get this trade deal close to finishing, the UK relationship is
:09:27. > :09:30.a lots deeper and more complicated. There's no way that's going to
:09:31. > :09:37.happen in two years. You have to go for the clean break and work back
:09:38. > :09:41.from there. Do you think some way down the road Theresa May could
:09:42. > :09:46.appease both the hard Brexit rotors and some of the remain as?
:09:47. > :09:52.If you look at some of the language she is used at the Tory party
:09:53. > :09:56.conference she is aiming at some kind of not domination of this year,
:09:57. > :09:59.but she's trying to appeal across different parts of the political
:10:00. > :10:03.spectrum. It would be consistent with that if she was trying to find
:10:04. > :10:07.a way that pleased hardliners and those who are somewhat regretting
:10:08. > :10:11.the vote in the first place and giving them a bit of a stake in the
:10:12. > :10:16.future. I wonder, given that there are many
:10:17. > :10:20.anti-EU parties throughout Europe, would it not be in Europe's best
:10:21. > :10:24.interests of play hard with the UK and say this has to be a hard
:10:25. > :10:29.Brexit? Absolutely. You heard that from
:10:30. > :10:33.Donald Tusk. He said almost those exact words last week. Hard Brexit
:10:34. > :10:40.or no Brexit. They are busy keep that as they were opening line. The
:10:41. > :10:46.negotiations with the EU were very pragmatic. Most keen observers
:10:47. > :10:48.realise that those opening positions are not going to be where the final
:10:49. > :10:50.deal is struck. Ryan, thank you.
:10:51. > :10:54.I'm joined now from London by the SNP's Philippa Whitford,
:10:55. > :11:04.Philippa, given that European leaders have made it clear that they
:11:05. > :11:08.and only negotiate with the UK Government what was the point in
:11:09. > :11:12.your Brexit Minister's visit to Brussels today?
:11:13. > :11:18.I think it's important that they understand the view in Scotland. We
:11:19. > :11:22.clearly voted to remain and want to make that clear. We consider
:11:23. > :11:27.ourselves European and are looking for an imaginative way of achieving
:11:28. > :11:32.that. What tangible difference will it make? It's all very well to get
:11:33. > :11:36.sympathy from people in Europe, but speaking to MEPs isn't going to make
:11:37. > :11:40.a difference. You have to speak to everyone. You speak to MEPs. We are
:11:41. > :11:45.speaking to political members within different parties within the EU
:11:46. > :11:50.itself. It's really important that Scotland is there. One of the things
:11:51. > :11:54.is, as was said by your previous interviewee, is that they do look
:11:55. > :11:59.upon Scotland friendly. They see that we voted in a totally different
:12:00. > :12:05.way. It is the UK that is a member state. That is the situation winner
:12:06. > :12:09.at the moment. Having spoken today, we see that they will be no real
:12:10. > :12:13.influence over negotiation process. You have to build that influence.
:12:14. > :12:18.It's important that our ministers are out there. If we don't go
:12:19. > :12:21.anywhere then it's tough, it doesn't matter how Scotland voted, I wonder
:12:22. > :12:27.why you bother voting, you're coming with us. As Scotland's any Labour MP
:12:28. > :12:32.while you in Brussels trying to secure the best deal for Scotland?
:12:33. > :12:36.We do have representatives of the Council of Europe and the former
:12:37. > :12:40.Chief Whip, Rosie Winterton was spoken to our social Democratic
:12:41. > :12:43.colleagues at the European Parliament at the moment trying to
:12:44. > :12:48.discuss the best way forward for the UK and build those alliances.
:12:49. > :12:52.Philippa is absolutely right. You've got to build those relationships,
:12:53. > :12:57.you got to make sure the message gets across. From what we've just
:12:58. > :13:00.seen from DVT at the start of this piece and from your experts in the
:13:01. > :13:05.European Parliament, nobody really knows where we are. The difficulty
:13:06. > :13:08.with having Scotland in the single market and the UK not in the single
:13:09. > :13:12.marketers this issue of immigration and borders. The free movement of
:13:13. > :13:17.people. You can't have one without the other. There are a whole host of
:13:18. > :13:19.issues to be dealt with. It's right that there are people talking to
:13:20. > :13:23.other people and building those alliances. It's quite clear that
:13:24. > :13:28.when it comes to final decisions is going to the member state that the
:13:29. > :13:31.European union will deal with. It's absent the red for the Labour Party
:13:32. > :13:38.the Liberal Democrats and the SNP to be talking to our allies in Europe.
:13:39. > :13:44.The problem with the member state and the UK dealing with this, Number
:13:45. > :13:48.Ten has indicated Scotland would not have a separate deal for membership
:13:49. > :13:55.of the single market nor would it have new powers over immigration. So
:13:56. > :14:01.it seems like Nicola Sturgeon's threat of a second referendum is not
:14:02. > :14:05.being viewed as credible. Whether it is being viewed as credible or
:14:06. > :14:10.whether Number Ten doesn't care, that is a possibility. But we keep
:14:11. > :14:16.working on this and keep bringing ideas forward. The EU is pragmatic,
:14:17. > :14:20.they accepted the unification of Germany and 18 million new members
:14:21. > :14:23.overnight. They have worked out solutions before and it is important
:14:24. > :14:30.we try and convince them to try and work out a solution now. One of
:14:31. > :14:33.those solutions is and we read about that in the newspapers, the City of
:14:34. > :14:40.London could work out a separate deal and have membership of the
:14:41. > :14:45.single market, if that happens, surely that would have to be done
:14:46. > :14:50.for Scotland as well? The problem with having it on a nation state
:14:51. > :14:53.basis, you have to take the rules and regulations that go with access
:14:54. > :14:58.to the single market. One of those big rules and regulations is free
:14:59. > :15:01.movement and people. If you have a different immigration policy in
:15:02. > :15:06.Scotland, you have to do have a border with England. I'm not sure if
:15:07. > :15:10.that is desirable or workable. We have to find a solution where
:15:11. > :15:14.Scotland can be part of the UK single market, but also get the
:15:15. > :15:19.advantages of the EU. Nobody knows what it looks like, but it would be
:15:20. > :15:23.wrong for Scotland to turn away from the UK single market in order to
:15:24. > :15:27.join the EU single market, when the UK single market is more important.
:15:28. > :15:32.Scotland is looking for a separate deal, and it may work differently
:15:33. > :15:37.from having a physical nation state, being in a different place that the
:15:38. > :15:39.UK would not be. What about financial services companies in
:15:40. > :15:44.Scotland, what about securing a good deal for them? They are doing it to
:15:45. > :15:50.be given a good deal. I have raised this in the House a number of times
:15:51. > :15:54.this week, not just protecting our financial services, but oil, food,
:15:55. > :15:57.gas and drink and wonderful higher education sector. These are the
:15:58. > :16:00.arguments we need to be having on the kind of things the Prime
:16:01. > :16:03.Minister needs to take on board. It shows where this Prime Minister
:16:04. > :16:09.differs from the previous Prime Minister. Labour brought a different
:16:10. > :16:13.motion and protecting the EU in a House on the 6th of July. The
:16:14. > :16:20.Conservatives abstained on that so it went through in favour. Today the
:16:21. > :16:23.SNP brought an identical motion and it was voted on and the
:16:24. > :16:28.Conservatives voted against it. I don't know if it is a shift in
:16:29. > :16:32.thinking or a tactic in Parliament. It shows EU nationals look as though
:16:33. > :16:36.they will play a bargaining chip. I think it is completely wrong.
:16:37. > :16:41.Philippa, talking about that debate this afternoon on EU nationals, you
:16:42. > :16:46.are asking the government to ensure all EU nationals living in the UK
:16:47. > :16:52.retain their current rights. Isn't that unreasonable until we get a
:16:53. > :16:56.reciprocal agreement from the EU on Britain's living abroad. No, it is a
:16:57. > :17:01.Briton who have created the instability, so we have to make the
:17:02. > :17:05.first move. If we had been gracious, Ed Davey or week after the vote, and
:17:06. > :17:09.said everyone who is already here can stay, the other countries in
:17:10. > :17:14.Europe would have responded. When I have met with the German ambassador,
:17:15. > :17:17.politicians in Berlin, they said it never occurred to them they would
:17:18. > :17:23.ask British people to leave. It is us that should be gracious and make
:17:24. > :17:26.the first move. Why do you focus on EU nationals living here, surely you
:17:27. > :17:31.should be standing up for Scottish people living abroad and that should
:17:32. > :17:35.be your priority? The best way to achieve security for them is by us
:17:36. > :17:41.being gracious. The people I am in contact with who live in Europe,
:17:42. > :17:45.said there was no comments, no sense of insecurity until we started using
:17:46. > :17:49.the language that there would be this bargain backwards and forwards.
:17:50. > :17:52.It is up to us, if we had made that confirmation right at the beginning
:17:53. > :17:58.for people who may have lived here for years or decades, contributing
:17:59. > :18:02.to our society, then we would have done the best to secure our
:18:03. > :18:06.citizens. People are stuck in limbo, coming to see me who cannot get a
:18:07. > :18:10.mortgage, cannot get business loans because lenders will say, I cannot
:18:11. > :18:18.guarantee you will be here for 25 years. Iain Murray, we had the
:18:19. > :18:22.Chancellor, Philip Hammond, today indicating that highly skilled
:18:23. > :18:25.workers may be exempt from the government's planned immigration
:18:26. > :18:31.controls. But that satisfy you? It is right that the government should
:18:32. > :18:36.come out and said the people living here in the UK should be allowed to
:18:37. > :18:41.stay. Anyone over five years who have been here from the European
:18:42. > :18:45.Union, I would encourage them to go for permanent residency before we
:18:46. > :18:51.lead the European Union. It is critical to our economy. 25% at the
:18:52. > :18:55.University of Edinburgh... That is expensive to do. It is, but the
:18:56. > :19:01.government should come to some accommodation to enable that to
:19:02. > :19:05.happen. If they are not going to be explicit in that, equally, people
:19:06. > :19:11.who are living abroad from the united kingdom, should be protected.
:19:12. > :19:15.It is just the right things to do morally. People are contributing to
:19:16. > :19:19.our society and people who have been living here a long time, should be
:19:20. > :19:21.allowed to stay. Thank you both very much indeed.
:19:22. > :19:24.Now a German U-boat which sank almost a century ago has been
:19:25. > :19:26.discovered off the south-west of Scotland by engineers laying
:19:27. > :19:30.At the time the submarine's crew claimed that they had abandoned
:19:31. > :19:33.the boat after being attacked by a monster with "a horny
:19:34. > :19:50.The waters of the Irish Sea, off the coast of Galloway. During World War
:19:51. > :19:53.I, German U-boats use this as their hunting ground and Royal Navy ships
:19:54. > :19:58.attempted to find and destroy them. Now, engineers laying a power cable
:19:59. > :20:06.between Ayrshire and Liverpool say they have found the wreckage of one
:20:07. > :20:14.of them. This may be UB 85, which was sunk. One of 12 German and
:20:15. > :20:17.British World War I submarines which met their end in the Irish Sea.
:20:18. > :20:24.Sonar images show it is virtually intact. We did really detailed
:20:25. > :20:28.surveys of the sea bed so we can look out for obstacles in the way
:20:29. > :20:31.and boulders and things. What we didn't expect to find was a German
:20:32. > :20:40.U-boat. Probably one of the amazing things I have ever come across in my
:20:41. > :20:46.construction experience. It was should by HMS coreopsis. The German
:20:47. > :20:51.said they had just survived a fight with a sea monster. That explanation
:20:52. > :20:55.just muddies the waters, says this historian. The submarine is caught
:20:56. > :21:00.on the surface at night recharging its batteries. It saw the patrol
:21:01. > :21:05.ship coming, it attempted to do a crash dive to get away. The young
:21:06. > :21:10.officer whose job it was to shut the conning tower hatch, didn't close it
:21:11. > :21:13.properly so when the submarine was underwater, it rapidly started
:21:14. > :21:17.flooding from above. They had no option to blow up the compressed air
:21:18. > :21:22.and bring the submarine to the surface and then they had to
:21:23. > :21:28.surrender. It seems the idea of a watery creature defending Britain's
:21:29. > :21:31.shores, may have been sunk. I like the idea of Nessie doing her bit for
:21:32. > :21:35.the war effort, but the real sea monster is the U-boat.
:21:36. > :21:36.Joining me now to discuss today's news we have
:21:37. > :21:41.Stephen Naysmith from The Herald, and health journalist Pennie Taylor.
:21:42. > :21:48.Brexit first of all. We have the Scottish Government ministers in
:21:49. > :21:55.Brussels today. Are these meetings changing anything? I think it has
:21:56. > :22:00.got to be done, we have got to have a representation from Scotland in
:22:01. > :22:04.Europe to try and make our case. But I think, what I understand, the mood
:22:05. > :22:07.in Europe, they want to make an example of the whole of the UK and
:22:08. > :22:16.there are interests in the European Parliament that wouldn't favour
:22:17. > :22:19.being nice to Scotland perhaps, because perhaps Spain, with its own
:22:20. > :22:24.independent movements like Catalunya, doesn't want there to be
:22:25. > :22:31.any glimmer of hope for breakaway nations. You could look at that
:22:32. > :22:35.different way. You could say it is in Spain's interests the UK stays
:22:36. > :22:39.together and doing a bespoke deal for Scotland to remain in the single
:22:40. > :22:46.market, might be in the interests of keeping the UK together? Otherwise
:22:47. > :22:49.you will have a real confrontation. Fiona Hyslop and Michael Russell
:22:50. > :22:55.were over their own behalf of the Scottish Government, arguing against
:22:56. > :22:59.the hard Brexit. Hard Brexit will cause problems in terms of
:23:00. > :23:05.Scotland's relationship with the of the UK. There was a treat I saw
:23:06. > :23:11.yesterday, saying had there been a very narrow vote to remain, and then
:23:12. > :23:15.the people who had voted to remain, we would pursue a hard remain, open
:23:16. > :23:24.the Borders, have the euro and so on, there would be outrage. So there
:23:25. > :23:31.is a fair point to be made, there isn't an mandate with quite a narrow
:23:32. > :23:35.EU Brexit vote for a very hard Brexit. What about the position of
:23:36. > :23:40.EU nationals, that was the subject of debate this afternoon. Is it
:23:41. > :23:44.reasonable to say to the UK Government, basically show their
:23:45. > :23:48.negotiating hand, isn't it better to almost use it as a bargaining chip
:23:49. > :23:54.in order to secure the rights of a Scots living abroad? Friends of
:23:55. > :23:58.mine, Scots living abroad, they are trying to do everything they can to
:23:59. > :24:03.persuade people to help them. They are living in Europe, they have
:24:04. > :24:08.businesses in Europe. I am uncomfortable with using people like
:24:09. > :24:11.that as bargaining chips, but I suppose it happens. We had Theresa
:24:12. > :24:18.May in Parliament today, I don't know if it is a slip of the tongue,
:24:19. > :24:21.she said negotiations could go on for two years or more. There will be
:24:22. > :24:25.lengthy negotiations over the course of those two years and more.
:24:26. > :24:30.Parliament will have its say in a variety of ways, not least of course
:24:31. > :24:35.to the great repeal bill. I don't know if it is a slip of the tongue,
:24:36. > :24:40.but even after 2019, do you think we will still be discussing our exit
:24:41. > :24:45.from the EU. I heard her rowing back from those comments this evening.
:24:46. > :24:50.Once we trigger article 50, we don't have much more than two years. I am
:24:51. > :24:57.not sure what she would be referring to. Maybe it indicates a slower role
:24:58. > :25:00.into triggering article 50. That raises questions for Nicola Sturgeon
:25:01. > :25:05.who has this second referendum consultation going on. At some point
:25:06. > :25:08.if there is to be a second referendum, the SNP will have to say
:25:09. > :25:12.these negotiations have gone far enough, it is not working for
:25:13. > :25:20.Scotland, we need a referendum. There is a tactical decision on when
:25:21. > :25:24.you make the call. A headline today, Botched Brexit people across Europe
:25:25. > :25:32.are seeing Billy Maka saying it is a mess. The US, the final debate in
:25:33. > :25:38.Las Vegas. What do candidates need to do now? I don't know what they
:25:39. > :25:43.need to do, but I suspect I know what will happen. Tonight will be a
:25:44. > :25:48.bit of a disaster, I suspect we will hear Donald Trump go on the attack
:25:49. > :25:53.and save the election is raped. I watched the last president debate at
:25:54. > :25:56.JFK airport in New York, it was interesting watching people's
:25:57. > :26:00.reactions to it. I couldn't find from all the people I spoke to, I
:26:01. > :26:10.couldn't find the Donald Trump voter. But Michael Moore, the
:26:11. > :26:14.film-maker has released a film called Trumpland to night. He said
:26:15. > :26:19.you cannot be complacent. He said he was in the UK when Brexit happened
:26:20. > :26:27.and he said anything is possible. He is a Bernie Sanders supporter, he is
:26:28. > :26:31.no fan of Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump's back is against the wall and
:26:32. > :26:35.this debate is likely to be the nastiest. He is falling back in the
:26:36. > :26:42.polls, so that might suggest he is not going to be the winner some
:26:43. > :26:49.people think he is. We know how reliable polls can be with maverick
:26:50. > :26:55.candidates. But one of the things, he has not been able to make any
:26:56. > :26:57.capital out of the Hillary Clinton campaign director e-mail leaks,
:26:58. > :27:03.because he keeps shooting himself in the foot with things that dominate
:27:04. > :27:08.the news agenda, apparent misogyny. But the worrying thing is this
:27:09. > :27:15.focusing has been playing on and is likely to use again tonight, about
:27:16. > :27:23.the vote fixed. That is worrying the Democrats. They looks like it could
:27:24. > :27:30.get dirty again, Donald Trump has invited President Obama's estranged
:27:31. > :27:34.half brother as a guest? For what purpose, nobody knows. We will see
:27:35. > :27:41.that if we watch it it is about 2am here. It is happening in Las Vegas.
:27:42. > :27:45.Hillary Clinton has invited some billionaires who might be used to
:27:46. > :27:51.cast doubt on the Donald Trump's acumen as a businessman. It is going
:27:52. > :27:55.to get dirty. They say you should be positive and not to go on the
:27:56. > :28:01.attack, but listening to some of his supporters after the last debate,
:28:02. > :28:04.they seem to lap this up? Ordinary Americans are horrified at this
:28:05. > :28:10.election campaign, it has been pretty nasty and long, and I think a
:28:11. > :28:14.lot of them will be glad when it is over. Do you think the moderator
:28:15. > :28:18.should challenge Donald Trump on the claims that the election is raped?
:28:19. > :28:23.Yes, you can raise conspiracy theories and they can take legs and
:28:24. > :28:28.run. Whether you try and introduce some kind of rationale or not. If
:28:29. > :28:32.Donald Trump's back is against the wall, I suspect he will not hold
:28:33. > :28:36.back. Casting doubt on the authenticity of the election is a
:28:37. > :28:42.dangerous path and against the American tradition. We could see him
:28:43. > :28:45.defeated but not his supporters at accepting the result. The tradition
:28:46. > :28:48.is you elect the president and everybody gets behind them. We will
:28:49. > :28:56.see what happens, thank you very much indeed. That is all to night, I
:28:57. > :28:57.will be back again at the same time tomorrow night when we will be
:28:58. > :29:01.talking about that.