:00:00. > :00:00.MSPs blow the full-time whistle on the law designed to tackle
:00:07. > :00:34.MSPs support the repeal of the Offensive Behaviour
:00:35. > :00:40.We'll debate whether the law is fit for purpose.
:00:41. > :00:43.Young people underestimate by hundreds of thousands of pounds
:00:44. > :00:47.how much to save for a comfortable retirement.
:00:48. > :00:50.Is it time for a rethink on inheritance?
:00:51. > :00:53.And one of the First Minister's advisers on Brexit thinks
:00:54. > :00:58.we couldn't remain in the EU as the rest of the UK leaves.
:00:59. > :01:08.But an independent Scotland could quickly get back in.
:01:09. > :01:11.MSPs have voted to urge the Scottish Government to repeal
:01:12. > :01:15.the controversial law aimed at tackling sectarianism
:01:16. > :01:20.The Offensive Behaviour at Football Act came into force
:01:21. > :01:23.in 2012 after the SNP used its majority in the last
:01:24. > :01:26.Scottish Parliament to pass it despite a lack of support
:01:27. > :01:33.This evening, after an ill-tempered debate at Holyrood,
:01:34. > :01:35.a Scottish Conservative motion calling on SNP ministers to scrap
:01:36. > :01:49.There are occasions where remedying behaviour through changes galore as
:01:50. > :01:52.appropriate. On this occasion the view of legal practitioners is that
:01:53. > :01:55.there are already adequate laws in place. Those can and should be used
:01:56. > :02:00.to prosecute offensive behaviour rather than vilifying football and
:02:01. > :02:07.hundreds of thousands of fans. Still many unanswered questions from
:02:08. > :02:10.opposition parties around the potential issues of repealing this
:02:11. > :02:19.legislation. They have to be addressed. It is more than just
:02:20. > :02:23.attacking it can be used as well and we have to address and look at these
:02:24. > :02:26.matters. I think to not do that would be reckless. Some of the
:02:27. > :02:31.behaviour and some of the opposition today is bordering on reckless.
:02:32. > :02:36.Today's vote is not binding for the Government, but James Kelly has
:02:37. > :02:41.brought forward a member 's bill that aims to have the legislation
:02:42. > :02:44.repealed. He joins me now along with the SNP James Dornan who is in our
:02:45. > :02:50.Edinburgh studio. Good evening to both of you. So, James, is this the
:02:51. > :02:53.end of the road for this legislation? That is not empty
:02:54. > :02:56.decision for me to make. That is a decision for the Government to take.
:02:57. > :03:01.For the parliament to take. To have a look what it thinks it mean to
:03:02. > :03:05.come back to the parliament and see if there are some measures that need
:03:06. > :03:10.to be taken. If you believe in... A receipt, surely it has to be
:03:11. > :03:13.repealed. If you believe in democracy, then you have to go along
:03:14. > :03:16.with the parliamentary system. The Parliamentary system does not mean
:03:17. > :03:22.that it had to change anything. What the Government will do is it will
:03:23. > :03:25.accept that the majority of the parliamentarians today voted against
:03:26. > :03:28.it. I'm sure they will take that away. They will consider it very
:03:29. > :03:31.carefully and then it back. I'm saying I'm not in a position to say
:03:32. > :03:35.what the Scottish Government will do. Today's vote will not say that
:03:36. > :03:39.the governor and have to change anything. I am glad that the
:03:40. > :03:44.Government have to reflect because I really do think that legislation
:03:45. > :03:49.really is now dead in the water. Completely dead. You mean it has to
:03:50. > :03:54.be completely repealed? Yes, I think it needs to be totally repealed. It
:03:55. > :03:57.is totally discredited. I think the debate today brought that up. How
:03:58. > :04:03.there is friction between foot. Porters and police. How there is a
:04:04. > :04:11.lack of certainty. -- football supporters. Today's vote reinforces
:04:12. > :04:15.that. They need to come forward urgently and explain how they are
:04:16. > :04:18.going to tackle the repealed. James Dornan, do you accept in the light
:04:19. > :04:22.of this and all the opposition there has been to this act that actually
:04:23. > :04:25.the original legislation was pretty poorly drafted? Gnome. It was
:04:26. > :04:33.interesting to hear what James said that. He said that today's debate
:04:34. > :04:39.highlighted that it had deteriorated. The only people who
:04:40. > :04:42.accept that is opposition MPs. It is not that there is a string of the
:04:43. > :04:45.public saying that. That is just what they would say. Quite a lot of
:04:46. > :04:51.football fans have objected to this. Yes, there have also been a lot of
:04:52. > :04:55.football fan to say they have supported this legislation. It is
:04:56. > :04:58.not as clear-cut as James is trying to portray it as. Luke Garrett use
:04:59. > :05:03.and people are happy with it but today it is about politics. Was not
:05:04. > :05:14.about legislation, it was about politics. It was about other parties
:05:15. > :05:19.seeing this as a way of beating the parliament. The issue that Michael
:05:20. > :05:24.Madsen raised their is a really, really what important one. There is
:05:25. > :05:26.nothing that any of the opposition member said today that shows how
:05:27. > :05:31.beer going to deal with that, never mind how they are going to sell the
:05:32. > :05:36.message and still take the sectarianism seriously when they are
:05:37. > :05:41.repealing the act to deal with it. Is that not an important issue? I
:05:42. > :05:46.think of James and listen to what I said in the chamber, the threat of
:05:47. > :05:49.communications, there have only been three cases brought forward in the
:05:50. > :05:54.last year. Clearly, prosecutors are looking at the legislation and
:05:55. > :05:59.threatening communications and they are not confident in being able to
:06:00. > :06:04.deal with that. That just reinforces the fact that this legislation is
:06:05. > :06:10.not fit for purpose. What is it that you fundamentally object to hear? It
:06:11. > :06:15.is a bad law. It is not working. The outcome see from that. Because it is
:06:16. > :06:21.a bad law, there is confusion in the court system. We are seeing 50% of
:06:22. > :06:24.the cases brought to the court are from young men under the age of 20.
:06:25. > :06:28.Many have been brought into the criminal justice system for the
:06:29. > :06:34.first time. I'm sure not even the SNP want to see that. We have seen a
:06:35. > :06:43.lot of money. ?2 million on a police monitoring unit. I would prefer to
:06:44. > :06:52.put that money in other areas of protecting social services at this
:06:53. > :07:03.time. The outcomes of not... We're better scrapping this and not ...
:07:04. > :07:10.The trusted and tried judicial systems are the ones that put us in
:07:11. > :07:14.this situation the first place. They seem to think that we should set the
:07:15. > :07:17.clock back four or five years. Then everything will be OK. The Merlot is
:07:18. > :07:27.not OK at the time. There seems to be a complete wiping of memory here.
:07:28. > :07:30.An executive officer got explosive materials through the post. A
:07:31. > :07:33.well-known lawyer did as well. A football manager got bullets through
:07:34. > :07:39.the post. They seem to have completely got that wiped from their
:07:40. > :07:44.memory. This is all about having a go at the Government. People say it
:07:45. > :07:48.is important to bring in legislation to deal with the Internet abuse that
:07:49. > :07:52.was going on, the sectarian abuse that was going on on the Internet.
:07:53. > :07:57.This is pure political opportunism and nothing else. Do you see a way
:07:58. > :08:03.forward here that everyone can agree to across the parties? There is an
:08:04. > :08:06.opportunity for the SNP here. I think if Michael Matheson
:08:07. > :08:12.acknowledged the will of Parliament, I thought he made some good points
:08:13. > :08:16.in this afternoon. About what you can achieve, you don't need
:08:17. > :08:20.legislation for it. If we built a consensus, we can have a real
:08:21. > :08:25.discussion about how you tackle sectarianism basing it around
:08:26. > :08:30.working in legislation. How we improve behaviour around the
:08:31. > :08:33.football. The SNP need to start talking to people, instead of just
:08:34. > :08:37.repeating the lines that they think they are right. We must leave it
:08:38. > :08:40.there. Thank you for coming into night.
:08:41. > :08:43.We all know the baby boomers have lucked out when it comes
:08:44. > :08:45.to a comfortable retirement, with their property gains
:08:46. > :08:48.Not such good news for the younger generation.
:08:49. > :08:51.Just today we learn the typical UK home now costs six times
:08:52. > :08:57.So its perhaps little wonder many stick their head in the sand
:08:58. > :09:03.A new report by asset managers, Brewin Dolphin suggests young people
:09:04. > :09:06.aren't putting anywhere near enough cash to fund the retirement
:09:07. > :09:14.Suzanne Allan's been taking a look a what's in their report.
:09:15. > :09:22.Unlike this dress here, saving it seems has gone out of fashion.
:09:23. > :09:28.Wealth is overwhelming concentrated with the older generation. Younger
:09:29. > :09:32.people just aren't saving enough for their retirement. Any new report out
:09:33. > :09:40.today it lays bare the stark reality of staving. -- saving. It says the
:09:41. > :09:46.average 13 to 24-year-old once ?30,000 to live on retirement. Here
:09:47. > :09:51.is what the reality bites. That leaves a ?550,000 shortfall in their
:09:52. > :09:56.pension pot. There are some of us that put money aside. A quarter of
:09:57. > :09:59.us don't save anything at all. I have really not thought about it, if
:10:00. > :10:03.I'm honest with you. Probably when I get a better job I will be thinking
:10:04. > :10:07.about that. It is tough to save money when you are not earning too
:10:08. > :10:14.much. I am doing nursing. I'm waiting until I get into NHS bank
:10:15. > :10:20.and an NHS -based play so I can start my pension now. Then I will be
:10:21. > :10:24.in the same company, I won't have to keep switching. But what abrasive
:10:25. > :10:28.right now is just in terms of just license, driving licence and car. It
:10:29. > :10:36.is not just pension wise. I put away a good 100 or ?200 a month when I
:10:37. > :10:41.get a job. Just now it is for rent. I do not want a pension. I will
:10:42. > :10:46.invest in an acid portfolio and drove up. Take a step away from the
:10:47. > :10:52.Government pension. I had a superannuation scheme. It is
:10:53. > :10:56.relation to your salary. It seems if you have a high household income,
:10:57. > :11:02.you are not immune either. If you earn between 70 and ?100,000 the gap
:11:03. > :11:08.between what you put in and what you should be putting in is 30%. People
:11:09. > :11:13.clearly know they are under saving, but according to the report, what is
:11:14. > :11:18.striking is just how much they are underestimating this. Not so for the
:11:19. > :11:26.over 65 is. They are sitting on an estimated housing wealth of around
:11:27. > :11:31.one point three trillion pounds. We all ready here about the bank of mum
:11:32. > :11:34.and dad, but it's as we will hear from them more and more. Will be
:11:35. > :11:39.baby boomers begin last people to enjoy a good retirement?
:11:40. > :11:43.Shortly before we came on air I spoke to Liz Alley from the wealth
:11:44. > :11:48.management company that sponsored the report, Brewin Dolphin.
:11:49. > :11:57.Is this pensions gap really as bad as your report suggests? The report
:11:58. > :12:05.shows is that unless action is taking now, the working population
:12:06. > :12:07.in Scotland faces a staggering gap of ?425,000 between their retirement
:12:08. > :12:13.income expectations and the reality of what they're actually saving. In
:12:14. > :12:18.contrast, the baby boomer generation is currently sitting on ?1.3
:12:19. > :12:22.trillion worth of housing wealth. And they also have increasing final
:12:23. > :12:27.salary pensions seems and the valuable triple lock. So, what we
:12:28. > :12:31.are actually seeing is a crocodile jaw whitening effect between the
:12:32. > :12:36.older generation and the younger generation. That all sounds very
:12:37. > :12:42.scary. You are in the business of selling wealth management to people.
:12:43. > :12:44.Do you realistic expect that most people could afford to save much
:12:45. > :12:48.more than they are saving at the moment? Currently, the working
:12:49. > :12:57.generation are in something of a perfect storm with sky-high rent,
:12:58. > :13:01.very high property prices and still paying off student loans. So, I
:13:02. > :13:04.think it is a very difficult situation for the working generation
:13:05. > :13:09.at the moment. We do need to raise awareness of what they need in
:13:10. > :13:12.retirement. When you look at the figures, you are suggesting a
:13:13. > :13:17.30-year-old should be putting away near the ?800 a month for a pension.
:13:18. > :13:23.As you say, there are so many other demands on people's cash at the
:13:24. > :13:30.moment. Absolutely. That's a matter saving that we are suggesting is
:13:31. > :13:34.actually based on a relatively modest income of ?26,000 per year.
:13:35. > :13:39.So, we're not talking huge incomes are people need to save for. As a
:13:40. > :13:43.result of this we have pulled together some solutions of how we
:13:44. > :13:46.can help the older generations unlock some of their wealth and give
:13:47. > :13:56.it to the younger generations. 79% of people in Scotland of the
:13:57. > :14:01.older generation are saying they will leave their entire estate to
:14:02. > :14:05.their family. Our suggestion is simple - unlock the wealth now and
:14:06. > :14:12.leave it to your family whilst you are still alive. That we you can use
:14:13. > :14:18.the benefit of the valuable junior icer allowance the government has
:14:19. > :14:20.given all children up to the age of 18 and we can make pension
:14:21. > :14:28.contributions to anybody from the age of zero upwards. What we are
:14:29. > :14:34.saying is if you can afford it, as a baby boomer, start contributing
:14:35. > :14:38.towards junior ISAs for your grandchildren so they have a life
:14:39. > :14:42.event and so when it comes to paying for tuition fees were saving for a
:14:43. > :14:45.house deposit there is already a lump sum waiting for them and start
:14:46. > :14:50.putting money into pensions for them so they can start saving.
:14:51. > :14:53.Is it fair to the baby boomers who have worked hard for their money,
:14:54. > :14:59.who might be worried about their own financial security?
:15:00. > :15:05.Absolutely. The first step we would have with any planning is secure
:15:06. > :15:08.your own finances first. We wouldn't expect anybody to put themselves
:15:09. > :15:15.into financial hardship to help others. Secure your own financial
:15:16. > :15:20.lifetime first and get in a room with your family and work out what
:15:21. > :15:25.best can be done. If we can start unlocking the wealth now for younger
:15:26. > :15:28.generations. The next from coming up being mired in debt, which is the
:15:29. > :15:33.situation we have at the moment for the working generation.
:15:34. > :15:39.Unlocking some of this wealth, bypassing inheritance tax, that
:15:40. > :15:43.brings in ?4.7 billion a year for the government at the moment and if
:15:44. > :15:46.there was less coming in it would mean less was spent on public
:15:47. > :15:51.services. Yes, Bert counteract that with the
:15:52. > :15:55.fact if we are helping to solve some of the savings gap for the younger
:15:56. > :15:58.generations, and means the government of the future needs to
:15:59. > :16:04.put aside less to look after the generations as they retired at you
:16:05. > :16:06.know, you have to wait up. Thanks very much for joining us. --
:16:07. > :16:09.you have to weigh it up. Lord Kerr of Kinlochard is the man
:16:10. > :16:11.who wrote Article 50, the procedure by which the UK
:16:12. > :16:14.will leave the EU. He's a former head of the British
:16:15. > :16:17.diplomatic service and is currently one of the First Minister's
:16:18. > :16:19.advisers on Brexit. Lord Kerr thinks that all four
:16:20. > :16:22.parliaments and assemblies in the UK should have input to
:16:23. > :16:24.the Brexit process. But what does he think Scotland can
:16:25. > :16:26.get out of it? He's been speaking to our political
:16:27. > :16:42.correspondent, Glenn Campbell. It is something that affects
:16:43. > :16:48.everybody in each component part of the United Kingdom so I think the
:16:49. > :16:52.Scots are entitled to have a clearer insight into the preparation of the
:16:53. > :16:59.government position and Theresa May has promised that. I don't think
:17:00. > :17:03.it's going to be delivered. And into the conduct of the negotiations.
:17:04. > :17:07.They are going to need what is going on in there, which ideas are flying
:17:08. > :17:14.and which aren't, which alternatives ideas can be put forward.
:17:15. > :17:17.Having a vote is not the same as having a veto?
:17:18. > :17:25.Well, we will be negotiating as the UK. I don't believe the Scots could
:17:26. > :17:32.have a separate negotiation with the rest of the European Union. I think
:17:33. > :17:35.the institution would prevent that and maybe Spanish government and a
:17:36. > :17:41.few other governments as well. I think there is no way to set up a
:17:42. > :17:46.parallel negotiation between Scotland and the EU. What scope is
:17:47. > :17:54.there for a flexible Brexit with different terms for Scotland or
:17:55. > :17:58.indeed other parts of the UK? In one sense, a flexible Brexit is what we
:17:59. > :18:04.are going to get. I would imagine that on issues like security, the
:18:05. > :18:08.fight against terrorism, drugs and crime and so on, we the British
:18:09. > :18:15.would want to stay as close as possible to the European Union. So I
:18:16. > :18:21.don't think leaving means heading off as far away from the EU on
:18:22. > :18:24.something as on other things. On some things we stay quite close.
:18:25. > :18:29.Much more difficult question, the ones you asked me, is could you
:18:30. > :18:35.envisage different degrees of closeness for different parts of the
:18:36. > :18:40.UK. I don't know the answer to that. I mean, that requires a lot more
:18:41. > :18:45.devolution than we have had so far. Is there a way, in your view, where
:18:46. > :18:47.Scotland could remain in the EU single market even if the rest of
:18:48. > :18:56.the UK was coming out? In my view, not. Sad though it is to
:18:57. > :19:05.say that, I didn't think so. I think it is possible to imagine
:19:06. > :19:09.differential arrangements for access to the single market for different
:19:10. > :19:15.parts of the United Kingdom but membership of the single market
:19:16. > :19:18.means floats to the Council for ministers, accepting the
:19:19. > :19:21.jurisdiction of the College of Justice and it seems to me of the
:19:22. > :19:27.British government had determined these things are not going to be
:19:28. > :19:29.accepted, I can't see well we have a United Kingdom that Scots could
:19:30. > :19:32.manage it. What difference could be
:19:33. > :19:38.accommodated, in your view? Where power is devolved it is
:19:39. > :19:43.possible to imagine the Scots being in an anteroom to the council in
:19:44. > :19:48.Brussels rather closer to the action than the English might be on
:19:49. > :19:52.particular subjects. If one touches on the delicate subject of fishing
:19:53. > :19:58.it is possible to imagine the fisheries will be between the EU and
:19:59. > :20:01.the United Kingdom, which has different arrangements for a
:20:02. > :20:08.particular species of fish or fishing grounds and it would be the
:20:09. > :20:11.Scots who would be speaking for certain ones. I don't see how the
:20:12. > :20:16.Scots could get in a room with a vote if we no longer have any
:20:17. > :20:23.members if Parliament or a seat in the council. I think cooperation
:20:24. > :20:27.between Scotland and the EU, which is in many areas closer and warmer
:20:28. > :20:32.down the years than co-operation between Whitehall and the EU, that
:20:33. > :20:36.might survive with the Scots in the room outside.
:20:37. > :20:40.And how seriously should Theresa May take Nicola Sturgeon's promise of a
:20:41. > :20:48.second independence referendum if she doesn't get some of her away?
:20:49. > :20:57.I don't know. During the 2014 referendum I was against
:20:58. > :21:05.independence. And I still believe the risks to Scotland from the
:21:06. > :21:08.break-up of the United Kingdom are even greater than the risks of the
:21:09. > :21:15.damage to Scotland from the United Kingdom leaving the EU. I also think
:21:16. > :21:20.that Scots can't choose between the two because I don't think they can
:21:21. > :21:26.stay in the EU as the United Kingdom leaves. I think when Independent,
:21:27. > :21:31.the Scots could apply and probably getting pretty quickly.
:21:32. > :21:37.But you do think the European Union would want to find a way of allowing
:21:38. > :21:41.Scotland to remain part of the EU if during the Brexit negotiations there
:21:42. > :21:50.was a yes vote for independence? No, I don't. Because legally it
:21:51. > :21:54.would be impossible under the present Treaty and nobody would want
:21:55. > :22:00.to amend it so I don't think the Scots can stay in the English leave.
:22:01. > :22:03.I think the Scots have to also go. I think the Scots could maintain a
:22:04. > :22:10.closer relationship on some subject than the English if they choose. The
:22:11. > :22:15.extent of devolution would determine which subjects. If the Scots had an
:22:16. > :22:19.independence referendum then and voted for independence, they could
:22:20. > :22:21.fairly quickly get back into the EU because most Scottish laws would
:22:22. > :22:23.still be the laws of the European Union.
:22:24. > :22:25.That was Lord Kerr speaking to our political correspondent
:22:26. > :22:28.Glenn Campbell and there will be more from that interview online
:22:29. > :22:30.from midnight and on Radio Scotland after seven tomorrow morning.
:22:31. > :22:33.Watching here in the studio was the editor of Common Space
:22:34. > :22:35.website Angela Haggerty, and the former Shadow Scottish
:22:36. > :22:50.Just sticking with that. Nicola Sturgeon one Scotland to stay in the
:22:51. > :22:58.single market even if the rest of the UK leave but you heard Lord Kerr
:22:59. > :23:02.say he doesn't think that's possible, Angela.
:23:03. > :23:07.Well, it is good to get another view and a few like that but I think we
:23:08. > :23:10.are very much in the realms of deep speculation. We are in quite
:23:11. > :23:16.unprecedented uncharted territory and nobody knows what will happen
:23:17. > :23:21.next. I think the strength of positivity from Scotland towards the
:23:22. > :23:24.EU is in the interests of the EU. Brexit isn't the only threat to the
:23:25. > :23:34.EU project because they are facing threats across the EU. So where the
:23:35. > :23:40.current situation doesn't leave a lot of room for legalities, the EU
:23:41. > :23:42.might be able to find a way to change those things, should Scotland
:23:43. > :23:48.want to stay within it. Interesting that Lord Kerr does
:23:49. > :23:51.think an independent Scotland could get back in pretty quickly to the
:23:52. > :23:57.EU. What do you make of that? I'm not
:23:58. > :24:01.sure I caught all of that in fairness. What is interesting is his
:24:02. > :24:05.statement of the current challenges Scotland faces in terms of
:24:06. > :24:10.negotiating in the current position we are in. It is complex and
:24:11. > :24:13.difficult, as Angela said. Also that Scotland would need to think about
:24:14. > :24:17.our relationship with the rest of the UK as well as Europe because
:24:18. > :24:22.obviously our biggest market... The arguments being used about why we
:24:23. > :24:26.should be part of the single market and you are the same arguments we
:24:27. > :24:31.should be using in terms of a relationship with the rest of the
:24:32. > :24:36.UK, or greater perhaps. We spend about 65% of our trade is with the
:24:37. > :24:40.rest of the UK so it really matters. I think it reinforces the fact
:24:41. > :24:44.everything is up in the air and immediately a lot of people thought,
:24:45. > :24:49.we don't want to leave Europe so our only option is an independent
:24:50. > :24:53.Scotland. I think when the dust settled, I don't think that is for
:24:54. > :24:57.Scotland at the moment at all. People are saying there are things
:24:58. > :25:02.we really need to think through and I think people have taken the
:25:03. > :25:09.message to heart. Scotland should be very strong I think in terms of as
:25:10. > :25:12.Lord Kerr size, fisheries policy and things to lead on from that and they
:25:13. > :25:17.are interesting discussions for the future.
:25:18. > :25:22.Let's talk about the defeat over the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act.
:25:23. > :25:26.Angela, for those not steeped in the story, what do you think is the
:25:27. > :25:32.problem with the legislation? Critics of the legislation would say
:25:33. > :25:36.that it is a civil liberties issue rather than a football issue. It's
:25:37. > :25:40.potentially codes offensive speech which is open to interpretation and
:25:41. > :25:46.it specifically targets football fans, which is in itself quite
:25:47. > :25:52.unfair. Critics say it is just not workable and it won't challenge the
:25:53. > :25:55.problems associated with sectarianism in Scotland and it may
:25:56. > :26:00.actually worsened in terms of the relationship with the police. The
:26:01. > :26:04.other side of that is in opinion polling it does show that the public
:26:05. > :26:11.is onside with the government. So there is a real conflict between
:26:12. > :26:13.what the way forward is in terms of tackling sectarianism.
:26:14. > :26:18.Margaret, the vote isn't binding but I wonder what sort of view you think
:26:19. > :26:22.voters will take if the will of Parliament isn't followed? Do you
:26:23. > :26:25.think most voters care about this issue?
:26:26. > :26:36.A certain amount of people do. Generally speaking people would say
:26:37. > :26:38.if there is an issue with sectarianism, and we probably have
:26:39. > :26:41.one in certain parts of Scotland, it has to be tackled. I think the
:26:42. > :26:43.government got it wrong from the word go in that you should really
:26:44. > :26:50.try to build up a cross-party consensus and that is the way to
:26:51. > :26:53.deal with this. Reaching out at an early stage. Digging into it is
:26:54. > :26:57.probably a mistake because they will have to review it. I think the
:26:58. > :27:07.private members Bill and James Kelly will get support and instead of
:27:08. > :27:12.cutting anti-sectarian projects, I think you need to tackle it that
:27:13. > :27:17.prevention and education is probably as effective. It seemed like they
:27:18. > :27:26.are just dealing with marginal issues and it isn't working.
:27:27. > :27:29.Briefly, before we go. It is 80 years since a BBC television began
:27:30. > :27:31.so here is a classic. You will have to destroy all living
:27:32. > :27:50.matter. Now, I know nothing! I am from
:27:51. > :27:59.Barcelona. I do love a bit of that. Do you
:28:00. > :28:03.think old output stands the test of time?
:28:04. > :28:08.It is striking how much of that is familiar to me. We are doing it in
:28:09. > :28:12.all sorts of different ways but quality is quality and you need good
:28:13. > :28:16.writing, you need to invest in it and get good production and I think
:28:17. > :28:19.that demonstrates that. Not that Andy Paddy was good production but
:28:20. > :28:24.you know what I mean. Do you think the UK make the best TV
:28:25. > :28:28.any more? A good question because there is a
:28:29. > :28:32.lot of competition from the US with very high profile programmes at the
:28:33. > :28:35.moment but yes, it is still up there and I think if anything these days
:28:36. > :28:40.it's almost as if we have too much choice. With the rise of things like
:28:41. > :28:45.that fixed. I am still young enough to remember the days of
:28:46. > :28:47.black-and-white TVs and getting signal with a coat hanger.
:28:48. > :28:50.I'm afraid we have to park in there. Laura's here tomorrow
:28:51. > :28:53.night, usual time. So do please join her then,
:28:54. > :28:59.bye bye.