:00:00. > :00:00.Growth takes a knock, borrowing's back big time,
:00:00. > :00:36.The Chancellor forecasts that soon we'll be in it to the tune of nearly
:00:37. > :00:47.an emergency statement to Parliament about the state of ScotRail.
:00:48. > :00:49.Also an expert in one type of jams talks about the Chancellor's plans
:00:50. > :00:58.Every few years a budget comes along to deliver
:00:59. > :01:05.And today was one of those occasions.
:01:06. > :01:09.Instead of Britain being in the black - as was expected
:01:10. > :01:11.by the end of this Parliament - we'll actually be much more
:01:12. > :01:14.The new Chancellor's ditched his predecessor's commitment
:01:15. > :01:18.And the nation's debt will rise to a staggering ?2 trillion
:01:19. > :01:27.First up tonight, let's look at the implications for Scotland.
:01:28. > :01:46.An own infrastructure and investment in England will affect Scottish
:01:47. > :01:49.government spending. This will represent a significant increase in
:01:50. > :01:55.funding through the Barnett formula of over ?250 million for the
:01:56. > :01:59.Northern Ireland executive, ?400 million to the Welsh Government and
:02:00. > :02:08.?800 million to the Scottish Government. We recommit to date two
:02:09. > :02:13.hour city deals with Swansea, Edinburgh, North Wales and key
:02:14. > :02:19.cities and we are beginning negotiations on a city deal for
:02:20. > :02:23.sterling. The SNP were not impressed, drawing attention to
:02:24. > :02:31.Brexit. Their own assessment tells us tax yield can be done 66 billion
:02:32. > :02:40.after 15 years and the GDP down by 9.5%, as a result of reduced trade
:02:41. > :02:45.reducing productivity which amounts to ?6,500 per year per household so
:02:46. > :02:50.we was the plan to ensure there was no hard Brexit? What about that
:02:51. > :02:57.extra ?800 million for the Scottish Government capital budget? It will
:02:58. > :03:02.be spread over a four years. 200 million a year, Scotland spends
:03:03. > :03:07.about 3.5 billion each year on public investment so even from that
:03:08. > :03:13.total public investment spending it is a relatively small proportion.
:03:14. > :03:17.Much comment in the run-up to the statement about the JAMs, the
:03:18. > :03:22.families who are just about managing, like parents that this
:03:23. > :03:28.nursery in the Cromarty Firth. I work for -- full-time and my partner
:03:29. > :03:34.works full-time. We get no help with tax cuts or credits or benefits. We
:03:35. > :03:41.are pretty much just working to pay for our nursery for our son. You
:03:42. > :03:45.work hard and pay your bills and hope you can start saving for the
:03:46. > :03:50.future and for the mortgage where you can lay down roots and have
:03:51. > :03:56.something for your children but you feel like you're not quite getting
:03:57. > :04:03.there. Some scepticism about whether the Chancellor's changes will really
:04:04. > :04:08.help. A freeze to benefits, the cuts to the universal Credit, the cut to
:04:09. > :04:13.first child element of the Universal Credit, introduction of the two
:04:14. > :04:18.child policy, all of these will slash the support available to low
:04:19. > :04:23.income families who are already struggling at the moment to put food
:04:24. > :04:27.on the table and pay bills and help their children participate in school
:04:28. > :04:31.trips. The skill of the cuts they will say in the coming years will
:04:32. > :04:35.completely dwarfs the few hundred pounds they were seen as a result of
:04:36. > :04:41.the improvement in the Universal Credit. The reaction from small
:04:42. > :04:49.businesses to the Chancellor's changes. All eyes will be on this
:04:50. > :04:52.?800 million of capital spending. People have argued consistently
:04:53. > :04:59.about the benefits of local infrastructure spending. It is not
:05:00. > :05:05.very much, is it? Indeed, in the scheme of things, we need about ?2
:05:06. > :05:10.million in terms of getting things up to scratch on the roads but it is
:05:11. > :05:15.better than nothing. We will always support a market led approach.
:05:16. > :05:19.Overall, the vote seems to be the Chancellor has not done very much
:05:20. > :05:23.perhaps because he is leaving himself options when he sees how
:05:24. > :05:27.Brexit works in practice which is just not clear right now.
:05:28. > :05:30.A little earlier I spoke to Professor Graeme Roy,
:05:31. > :05:31.the Director of the Fraser of Allander Institute
:05:32. > :05:44.Brexit hangs over this report is like a black cloud. It essentially
:05:45. > :05:49.says here's what you could have won if it wasn't Brexit. To what extent
:05:50. > :05:53.can be pinned new device forecasts on Brexit? The key number is the
:05:54. > :06:03.increase in borrowing Chancellor expects. That is about ?120 billion.
:06:04. > :06:08.About ?60 billion of that is attributable to Brexit. The
:06:09. > :06:15.remainder is down to a general weakness in the economy that was
:06:16. > :06:18.happening before Brexit, for instance tax receipts have been
:06:19. > :06:23.disappointing this year and we will expect that to continue over the
:06:24. > :06:27.next few years. On top of that the Chancellor is adding to the
:06:28. > :06:35.borrowing to try and add a stimulus to the economy to help with the
:06:36. > :06:41.impact of Brexit. Nearly ?2 trillion debt by the end of the periods and
:06:42. > :06:49.debt as a proportion of GDP set to rise to 90%, what kind of
:06:50. > :06:55.consequences does that have? Looking in context, this is relatively high
:06:56. > :07:00.debt in terms of normal peacetime. That has been higher than this in
:07:01. > :07:07.the past, after the Second World War for instance. That is usually one
:07:08. > :07:11.way you can grow yourself out of high levels of debt is to boost your
:07:12. > :07:18.economy more so if it increases in terms of growth rate, that can
:07:19. > :07:21.decrease the debt rate but the concerns of the Chancellor are
:07:22. > :07:26.looking to the future with Brexit having an uncertain effect in the
:07:27. > :07:33.short and long term, that ability to get debt down by growing the economy
:07:34. > :07:37.quickly is a little more uncertain so years hedging his bets. He is
:07:38. > :07:43.committing over the medium to long term to tackle that down with
:07:44. > :07:46.additional years of austerity. What about the capital stimulus,
:07:47. > :07:53.especially in Scotland, but I make much of a difference? To put it in
:07:54. > :07:56.context, in total about ?800 million, relative to where we all
:07:57. > :08:01.know that is a significant increase in capital investment at capital
:08:02. > :08:06.investment to go significant hit and board a lot of the burden in the
:08:07. > :08:10.consolidation period back in 2010. Quite a lot of the increase in
:08:11. > :08:15.putting the money back into capital is only addressing some of the cuts
:08:16. > :08:19.which have happened already so you're still looking at capital
:08:20. > :08:26.investment being around about 8% lower than it was, six or seven
:08:27. > :08:31.years ago. The Scottish government has levers to tackle that. If they
:08:32. > :08:37.want to boost capital even more, they can add an extra 450 million on
:08:38. > :08:41.top of that. That is actually quite a significant capital increase that
:08:42. > :08:47.the UK Government have put into the economy and the Scottish governments
:08:48. > :08:52.can add to. Is that the sense that the Chancellor is holding back in
:08:53. > :08:56.terms of financial stimulus? I think so. Immediately after the referendum
:08:57. > :09:02.there was concern that the economy could slow down quickly. Because it
:09:03. > :09:07.was a shock. A lot of forecasters thought the economy would slow down
:09:08. > :09:12.more quickly in 2016 but it proved more resilient. The Chancellor has
:09:13. > :09:16.probably taken that as a point to hold off and seen what happens in
:09:17. > :09:21.the next couple of years when their headwinds will really start to
:09:22. > :09:27.emerge once article 50 is triggered. Investment is likely to go down and
:09:28. > :09:32.inflation go up. He will then begin to look again at what he needs to do
:09:33. > :09:37.if the economy takes a turn for the worse. You mentioned the Scottish
:09:38. > :09:41.Government new powers over tax, obviously they can offset this
:09:42. > :09:46.budget by increasing taxes but why the dangers of doing that? You are
:09:47. > :09:50.correct, this is the first time the Autumn Statement has taken place
:09:51. > :09:55.before the Scottish Government can set its own tax powers which are
:09:56. > :10:00.quite significant. Does the Scottish Government want to replace some of
:10:01. > :10:03.the money cut by increasing tax revenues itself? The challenge is if
:10:04. > :10:08.the economy is fragile because of Brexit and we know the Scottish
:10:09. > :10:11.economy has been lagging behind the rest of the UK, increasing the tax
:10:12. > :10:15.rate in Scotland at that time may not be the best idea for the economy
:10:16. > :10:19.and make build up problems for the future. Thank you very much indeed.
:10:20. > :10:22.I'm joined now from Edinburgh by the Conservative's Dean Lockhart
:10:23. > :10:23.and from Westminster by the SNP's Stewart Hosie
:10:24. > :10:36.First of all, we have slower growth predicted, weaker tax revenues,
:10:37. > :10:41.higher inflation, squeeze living standards and higher borrowing, with
:10:42. > :10:46.the good news? I thought this statement today was positive because
:10:47. > :10:56.looking at forecast, the UK forecast is the growing major economy this
:10:57. > :11:02.year, off 2.4% with a forecast growth of jobs of 500,000 which is
:11:03. > :11:08.in addition to the jobs in the economy over the last five years so
:11:09. > :11:12.that is a lot of good news. The Chancellor has used the stronger
:11:13. > :11:19.economic base to inject stimulus into the economy. He announced a ?23
:11:20. > :11:23.billion productivity plan and the Barnett consequential that will
:11:24. > :11:28.bring ?800 million to Scotland which will represent a significant boost
:11:29. > :11:37.to capital spending in Scotland. Also, other benefits from export
:11:38. > :11:40.support, support to add an tea and a number of other major things
:11:41. > :11:44.announced by the Chancellor will boost things in the short term. This
:11:45. > :11:47.is about putting things in the economy, and economic growth in the
:11:48. > :11:53.short to medium term. The budget will increase... Let us look at the
:11:54. > :11:57.bigger picture, when you came to power you promise to balance the
:11:58. > :12:01.books and bring down debt, at the end of this period we will be
:12:02. > :12:05.looking back at a decade when your party has made their main political
:12:06. > :12:11.choices which have caused you to break your choice -- your promises
:12:12. > :12:21.which is a failure? The Chancellor forecast today said the budget would
:12:22. > :12:26.be below... The first time this decade the budget would be... I
:12:27. > :12:32.think that would be a very ambitious and positive outcome. The key focus
:12:33. > :12:35.is on economic growth and job creation and the stimulus that
:12:36. > :12:40.brings to the economy. To be fair you have created a lot of these
:12:41. > :12:44.economic challenging times, the Brexit vote did not need to happen
:12:45. > :12:51.and use the government lost the vote and now we're paying for the
:12:52. > :12:54.consequences. ?122 billion higher is the borrowing forecast over the next
:12:55. > :13:01.few years and that is because of Brexit? That is not actually. That
:13:02. > :13:07.is the stimulus to the economy, the extra spending announced today, the
:13:08. > :13:11.stimulus of the bank of England quantitative easing programme is a
:13:12. > :13:16.significant part of bad debt as well so this is not about Brexit. The EU
:13:17. > :13:21.Referendum was a referendum after 40 years of being in the European
:13:22. > :13:26.union... The forecast suggests it is to do with Brexit. It is partly to
:13:27. > :13:32.do with Brexit but that is forecast Sincil fire the UK economy has been
:13:33. > :13:39.very resilient. The only are dead revisions which are on the week up.
:13:40. > :13:42.The forecast is what it is, hasn't the Chancellor done the best he has
:13:43. > :13:56.-- he could with a poor hand? I'm glad is reversed some of them,
:13:57. > :14:04.but I would not let him off quite as easily as that. The debt figure we
:14:05. > :14:09.were promised for 2015 were 67% of GDP which will not be met at all in
:14:10. > :14:14.this Parliament and possibly not for decades to come. This is not all the
:14:15. > :14:21.fault of Brexit. This is default of six years of austerity with
:14:22. > :14:27.successive UK governments. They have is he weakened recovery. He has
:14:28. > :14:31.moved a little and change tack to some extent. As he conceded today,
:14:32. > :14:35.the total amount of money he has made available in expenditure over
:14:36. > :14:41.the entire forecast period is one and a half percent of spending. You
:14:42. > :14:45.can do something about this. In the first Scottish budget, you will have
:14:46. > :14:48.powers over tax. You can offset all of those negative consequences. No,
:14:49. > :14:53.we cannot offset all of those negative consequences because these
:14:54. > :14:57.Scottish economy continues to be run from London. Those are other issues.
:14:58. > :15:01.When people are struggling like hell, it does not make an awful lot
:15:02. > :15:05.of sense to take money out of people's pockets. There is a
:15:06. > :15:10.principal argument here. Why should Scottish people be ordered to pay
:15:11. > :15:18.more tax in order to mitigate Tory cuts. So, are you saying no to cuts
:15:19. > :15:21.then? I am saying that we will look at the revenue side in the capital
:15:22. > :15:25.side and they will determine the balance of taxation and spending. I
:15:26. > :15:31.am saying to you that it does not seem to make enough a lot of sense
:15:32. > :15:40.to ask Scottish people to pay more tax to mitigate Tory cuts. They say
:15:41. > :15:46.it will be in ?2 trillion in debt. Labour's policy is what? Borrow
:15:47. > :15:50.more? Labour policy is to invest in the economy in 2010. That's exactly
:15:51. > :15:58.what the Chancellor has done today. If we had done that when the deficit
:15:59. > :16:01.was a hundred million pounds then we would not be where we are. Well we
:16:02. > :16:10.are where we are. And Jeremy Corbyn is saying that you should borrow
:16:11. > :16:14.more. You have to invest. Because of Brexit ?58 billion. Production of
:16:15. > :16:18.growth. This is what Brexit is going to cost. Let me just contradict what
:16:19. > :16:25.we heard from us first speaker. Making a lot of predictions on a
:16:26. > :16:29.fairly conservative exit from the EU. It does not include financial
:16:30. > :16:37.services having passed buzzing. I would be detrimental to the
:16:38. > :16:43.Scottish... So, these are fundamentally difficult for the UK
:16:44. > :16:51.economy. The Chancellor Willy comes back and makes another budget in the
:16:52. > :16:55.spring, the figures will be worse. How would you advise colleagues in
:16:56. > :16:58.the Scottish parliament in order to put pressure on the Scottish
:16:59. > :17:07.Government to put pressure on the tax. We warranty said Rupert penny
:17:08. > :17:09.on income tax. That is all about capital spending. We would spend
:17:10. > :17:17.money on housing to help the housing crisis. Making sure all houses are
:17:18. > :17:23.connected to broadband and forgery. That is good for the economy and
:17:24. > :17:27.jobs. When borrowing is cheap, it is good to invest in the future in
:17:28. > :17:36.terms of jobs. We would come to that to date 60s too late. You have long
:17:37. > :17:39.stoked about the need for infrastructure development. You are
:17:40. > :17:42.going to have this extra ?800 million over a five year period that
:17:43. > :17:48.you did not have before. That is welcome news, surely? It is. I
:17:49. > :17:53.welcomed it today. They barely touches the 10% revenue cut we have
:17:54. > :17:59.seen in the city percent capital cup. It is good news. And confident
:18:00. > :18:02.when the budget is announced in a couple of weeks that every penny of
:18:03. > :18:06.that will be allocated to capital projects to get the biggest bang for
:18:07. > :18:12.our backs in terms of regrowing the economy. What would the priorities
:18:13. > :18:17.be? That is a matter for the Scottish Government. We have won
:18:18. > :18:23.suggestions, I am sure. Roads, housing, schools, infrastructure.
:18:24. > :18:27.The biggest bang for our buck. We need to make sure the capital
:18:28. > :18:35.investment we make goes awful long way for productivity. Letters also
:18:36. > :18:44.talk about those city deals. The Chancellor confirmed... What will
:18:45. > :18:46.that mean for Stirling and also for Tayside in Edinburgh and all the
:18:47. > :18:53.other cities? What difference will that make? I think double boost the
:18:54. > :18:58.productivity foot in those regions. Google develop infrastructure. Also
:18:59. > :19:06.there will be broadband. A large portion of the rope regions do not
:19:07. > :19:10.have that. Part of the 800 million stimulus programme coming to
:19:11. > :19:14.Scotland to be used to promote and develop our digital network. There
:19:15. > :19:27.are so many businesses in the raw community that can benefit from
:19:28. > :19:30.that. -- Laurel. I do have a structure ongoing or in the
:19:31. > :19:38.pipeline. Can I just touch on a couple of points? We need to leave
:19:39. > :19:41.it there. In the lead up to the Autumn Statement, politicians and
:19:42. > :19:44.commentators have been talking a lot about jams. They won't
:19:45. > :19:47.And they weren't talking about what Phillip won't Hammond spreads
:19:48. > :19:51.Instead, it's an acronym for those who can 'just about manage'.
:19:52. > :19:56.Well we spoke to one baker who knows a bit about both kinds of jam.
:19:57. > :20:08.my name is Jim McPhie. I've been baking here for 44 years. We have
:20:09. > :20:12.become established as part of the way of life for people roundabout
:20:13. > :20:18.here. We noticed at the end of the month, the third week of the month,
:20:19. > :20:21.things start to slow down. This is just people when they don't need to
:20:22. > :20:25.have the treats earlier in the month. Money has become tighter. We
:20:26. > :20:32.are waiting for the next salary cheque to come in. You will see a
:20:33. > :20:39.huge amount of pound coins coming into the till. Clearly piggy banks
:20:40. > :20:45.have been borrowed from her few days. That has not really changed in
:20:46. > :20:48.the last ten or 15 years. If your monthly salary, I don't care what it
:20:49. > :20:54.is you're earning, you will live to the limit of that. That is OK. That
:20:55. > :20:58.is good for the economy. You're spending what you have got. But what
:20:59. > :21:07.I'm gathering from the Autumn Statement is that these JAMs that
:21:08. > :21:12.they're talking about. Whether tackling it with a living wage going
:21:13. > :21:16.to help it, I'm not sure. That is going to be inflationary. That will
:21:17. > :21:21.impact on prices. That is the only way a business like ours can
:21:22. > :21:25.survive, is by passing on the pricing of pieces. On the other
:21:26. > :21:37.hand, if the Chancellor is trying to get productivity up, then the way to
:21:38. > :21:43.get productivity up is to invest in plants. Whether there will be small
:21:44. > :21:45.shops, I'm not sure. There will be changes, but I'm up for that. I will
:21:46. > :21:50.try and saliva. -- try and survive. Well to discuss that and the rest
:21:51. > :21:53.of today's stories I'm joined by the former editor of the Times
:21:54. > :22:01.in Scotland Magnus Linklater Dominic. There was not much cheer in
:22:02. > :22:05.this budget. No. It was hard to find anything to be happy about. The
:22:06. > :22:10.consensus seems to be that things are going to get much harder further
:22:11. > :22:15.a great many people. We talked about JAMs there. People who are just
:22:16. > :22:19.about getting by. That is not just your kind of media trope, working
:22:20. > :22:26.mothers. You have young people. Some of whom are earning 35 or ?40,000 a
:22:27. > :22:32.year. Still struggling to find housing. The coming years will be
:22:33. > :22:36.very difficult. What do you make of this term JAMs? Aren't most people
:22:37. > :22:41.just about managing? We all tend to spend up to the limit of our means.
:22:42. > :22:45.Yes, a lot of people do think exactly that. I think looking at the
:22:46. > :22:49.broader picture, it is not just a rather grim Autumn Statement, I
:22:50. > :22:53.think that the Chancellor was indicating it is probably worse to
:22:54. > :22:59.come. The growth figures are pretty gloomy. The borrowing as we have
:23:00. > :23:03.heard is just out of this world. There is nothing coming along over
:23:04. > :23:07.the horizon with Brexit a looming that suggests that things are going
:23:08. > :23:12.to improve. It is very hard to see how things are going to be better
:23:13. > :23:15.for that level of society. Unless of course we do is very hard to see how
:23:16. > :23:17.things are going to be better for that level of society. Unless of
:23:18. > :23:20.course we do some favourable trade deals. I use adjusting we might? I
:23:21. > :23:25.do not know where they are going to come from. China? America? Donald
:23:26. > :23:29.Trump, a new alliance. Quite possibly. But that takes a lot of
:23:30. > :23:33.imagining. Another big part of the budget for Scotland was the
:23:34. > :23:37.announcement of the city deals. How much of a difference do you think
:23:38. > :23:41.that will make? A small difference. When you look at overall spending,
:23:42. > :23:47.these are small packages. And actually wear this money goes, it is
:23:48. > :23:51.always debatable. Glasgow has been given money of the last few years
:23:52. > :23:54.and that money has largely disappeared into quite ambiguous
:23:55. > :24:01.projects are not really been seen by people living in Glasgow. You have
:24:02. > :24:08.to take these things as a pinch of salt. I'm very involved in Perth at
:24:09. > :24:11.the moment. I disagree. City deals are important as a stimulant and
:24:12. > :24:15.they do invest a lot in the infrastructure. I wouldn't quite
:24:16. > :24:19.downgraded as Dominic has done. Certainly for the smaller towns.
:24:20. > :24:23.Some of the smaller settlements in the high street is not doing well
:24:24. > :24:26.and could probably do with an investment. It is just the kind of
:24:27. > :24:30.investment that they need. Investment in Perth's case and
:24:31. > :24:37.Dundee, cultural infrastructure as well. What about the trains. In
:24:38. > :24:47.Holyrood the transport manager offered an apology for all the
:24:48. > :24:53.issues recently. Let me apologise for all passengers who have had
:24:54. > :24:57.problems on the train. The Government is committed to making a
:24:58. > :25:00.good service for you to receive. How do you think he is handling this? I
:25:01. > :25:11.think he is actually struggling that with the legacy that has been left
:25:12. > :25:21.with him with his predecessors. Rail spending has been reduced a lot. He
:25:22. > :25:25.is having to spend plates and keep people happy. He's been made a
:25:26. > :25:30.scapegoat. It is people like Eric Mackay who need tough questions
:25:31. > :25:33.asked of them. Can you blame the transport Minister for an individual
:25:34. > :25:41.train breaking down all the signals going wrong? Is that fair? Not
:25:42. > :25:57.really. What is the alternative? What if the Dutch company who are
:25:58. > :26:01.involved, what is the alternative? Is it feasible to stake Scotland's
:26:02. > :26:05.train services into public ownership? Go back to renationalise
:26:06. > :26:11.rail service? I don't think so. That is the problem. It comes down to the
:26:12. > :26:20.contracts between the Scottish governments and a belly -- the
:26:21. > :26:27.company. You can look at some of the problems endemic in the system. A
:26:28. > :26:34.lack of stock. They could have seen this coming and invested earlier.
:26:35. > :26:39.Likewise with other contracts. A previously unseen video shows this
:26:40. > :26:44.nation drifting away from the rest of the UK after Brexit. Wide of the
:26:45. > :26:46.campaigners choose not to broadcast the other? Have a look and make your
:26:47. > :26:57.own mind up. Our pensioners, our countries. Our
:26:58. > :27:07.children's schools are world-class art protected by... We have got a
:27:08. > :27:15.space that protects us from the world. They were wise to run
:27:16. > :27:18.another? I think so. If it everybody knows the better together campaign
:27:19. > :27:22.has significant problems. That somebody thought that was a good
:27:23. > :27:27.idea as distressing. It played into everything that has been said about
:27:28. > :27:31.them. Project fear. The people were trying to scare Scots into
:27:32. > :27:35.submission. I think had that been road cars, a lot of people had voted
:27:36. > :27:41.differently. It is worth bearing in mind that project fear as a result
:27:42. > :27:45.was likely successful. That was not project fear for stock that was
:27:46. > :27:50.project horror. At the last minute, that would have really scared a lot
:27:51. > :27:53.of people. Towards the end of the campaign, they were beginning to
:27:54. > :27:57.realise that actually they have perhaps got it wrong and they had
:27:58. > :28:02.overplayed the project fear and they should have come out with a much
:28:03. > :28:06.more positive message. As Gordon Brown and finally, finally David
:28:07. > :28:10.Cameron managed to do towards the end of the campaign. That would have
:28:11. > :28:18.taken them in entirely the wrong direction. If there is a second
:28:19. > :28:21.independence referendum, do you think fear will be part of it? I
:28:22. > :28:24.think both sides will say things that aren't true and will have self
:28:25. > :28:29.belief in and correctness. That always the way with these things. If
:28:30. > :28:33.you like it will always be a part of it. Thank you for joining us.
:28:34. > :28:41.I'm back again tomorrow night, usual time.
:28:42. > :29:15.So do please join me then, bye-bye.
:29:16. > :29:17.Why is everybody so worried about your brother?
:29:18. > :29:19.MUSIC: Way Down We Go by Kaleo
:29:20. > :29:27.Are there other people from the secret service
:29:28. > :29:31.There are people that deserve to answer for what they've done.