:00:00. > :00:00.Local councils warn of disastrous consequences if finances are cut
:00:00. > :00:27.Calls grow for an inquiry into historical abuse
:00:28. > :00:31.of young footballers, but Police Scotland says it remains
:00:32. > :00:37.A claim that council finances are in meltdown and a plea
:00:38. > :00:42.to the First Minister to find the money to deliver services.
:00:43. > :00:59.Police Scotland has confirmed it held talks today with
:01:00. > :01:01.the Scottish Football Association over allegations of child sex
:01:02. > :01:06.There've been calls over the last two days for various inquiries,
:01:07. > :01:08.but the police said tonight it was the investigative authority
:01:09. > :01:15.Meanwhile, one survivors' group has said they've been invited
:01:16. > :01:18.to meet the SFA and the PFA for the first time.
:01:19. > :01:21.Well, a little earlier I spoke to the SFA's former
:01:22. > :01:36.Police Scotland has stressed today that they are at the investigatory
:01:37. > :01:43.authority into any allegations of sex abuse in football anywhere else.
:01:44. > :01:48.What do you think the SFA should do now? My understanding is that that
:01:49. > :01:53.would be the case. There have been a task force set up and the the SFA
:01:54. > :01:58.are part of that. It is a police case and it is sexual abuse and that
:01:59. > :02:03.is what we are looking for. They are looking for the people who have
:02:04. > :02:07.perpetrated this and made the abuse that happened for the young kids at
:02:08. > :02:10.the time. There are three categories, really. The other
:02:11. > :02:14.category is the young people who had been abused and they need help.
:02:15. > :02:18.There is no doubt about it, it a lot of them have been traumatised by it
:02:19. > :02:23.and need counselling, even though it is many years later in many cases.
:02:24. > :02:27.The third element is will have to be some sort of investigation into what
:02:28. > :02:36.was going on in football at different levels, whether it was
:02:37. > :02:39.professional, youth work full, to try and find out exactly how this
:02:40. > :02:42.escalated to such a great degree and also why it has taken so long for it
:02:43. > :02:45.to come through. We keep referring to it as a historical sexual abuse.
:02:46. > :02:49.Hopefully, it doesn't continue any more. Hopefully there isn't any
:02:50. > :02:53.nowadays. The fact is, it was so long before anybody knew about these
:02:54. > :02:58.things happening. Even before the people came forward to actually talk
:02:59. > :03:02.about it. The SFA are involved in that and I think they will do it.
:03:03. > :03:06.I'm not quite sure it is up to them to put together the investigation.
:03:07. > :03:12.Deputy First Minister told the BBC that he thought the SFA should have
:03:13. > :03:17.an independent enquiry. The English football Association has already
:03:18. > :03:21.been together its own investigation. Do you think it would be damaging
:03:22. > :03:27.now for the SFA to not follow suit and do that itself, to look at its
:03:28. > :03:30.own processes? To a degree, they will be questioned if they don't,
:03:31. > :03:36.because the football Association are doing it. It is a police case
:03:37. > :03:41.ultimately, but as I say, I think that needs to be an independent
:03:42. > :03:45.enquiry. Whether the SFA set it up with the Government set about, as
:03:46. > :03:48.long as it is an independent enquiry, it doesn't matter who does
:03:49. > :03:52.it as long as we know there are people looking into it to find out
:03:53. > :03:55.exactly how this took place over the years, who knew about it and why
:03:56. > :04:00.there was not more done at the time, even when certain cases has come to
:04:01. > :04:04.knowledge of people within certain football clubs were some people were
:04:05. > :04:09.dismissed on the date certain things but quite if you have them went on
:04:10. > :04:12.to work in other clubs and that should not have been the case. The
:04:13. > :04:15.authorities should have been formed at the time and we need to know why
:04:16. > :04:20.this continued and why nothing was done. It doesn't matter who
:04:21. > :04:25.incorporates this independent investigation, as long as one does
:04:26. > :04:28.take place. You have worked in football for many years, what is
:04:29. > :04:32.different now? And what was the atmosphere at the time that would
:04:33. > :04:35.have allowed that to happen, these extremely serious allegations were
:04:36. > :04:39.not treated properly, nobody immediately went to the police? I
:04:40. > :04:44.find it shocking. Adding to a certain degree, people didn't
:04:45. > :04:48.realise it was a widespread and prominent. They may be thought it
:04:49. > :04:52.was one small case and it would dismiss it out of the way. Now we
:04:53. > :04:57.are finding out it was right through the game and I think that is why
:04:58. > :05:01.it's become a serious matter. As I say, young people were not slipped
:05:02. > :05:05.after without a doubt. Some people have been greatly damaged by the
:05:06. > :05:09.fact that no one was there to help them and seemingly, a lots of times,
:05:10. > :05:13.young children were not believed when the reported some of these
:05:14. > :05:16.things. I think they should have been more done, but it was the type
:05:17. > :05:20.of thing that a lot of people in the past didn't think it was to such a
:05:21. > :05:26.great degree and exotic and be swept under the carpet. A lot of people
:05:27. > :05:30.might innocently have and for good reasons, dismissed it quite quickly,
:05:31. > :05:35.but others were maybe doing it because it was a friend or somebody
:05:36. > :05:40.they were working alongside. And that has to be got into the bottom
:05:41. > :05:49.of. Nott yes, that has to be addressed. Do think it could have
:05:50. > :05:52.affected other sports? Yes. So many young players wanted to do well in
:05:53. > :05:57.the game and were perhaps quest into doing things because otherwise there
:05:58. > :06:02.are football career would finish. The use that level of fear to
:06:03. > :06:07.address this and it shamefully happened at the young players were
:06:08. > :06:10.abuse just because of that fact. A lot of them couldn't handle the fact
:06:11. > :06:17.that it happened and they kept quiet about it for a long time. Most of
:06:18. > :06:21.the people who have come out now are ex players. Do you see the situation
:06:22. > :06:28.now being different? Steeping it is less likely to happen now? I hope
:06:29. > :06:31.so. It is hard to tell. I think because of social media, there would
:06:32. > :06:39.be more out there about it if it was happening now. That is my idea, but
:06:40. > :06:42.you never can tell. That is why an investigation might have to look
:06:43. > :06:44.into it. You think other governing bodies and other sports should be
:06:45. > :06:50.making that at their own processes and any possible cases they came to
:06:51. > :06:53.light and were dismissed? Would need to be other people coming forward
:06:54. > :06:59.from those sports and whether it is youth movement or whatever that they
:07:00. > :07:02.were involved in, you have to first and foremost have people who were
:07:03. > :07:07.abuse to come forward. And it becomes a police case initially. And
:07:08. > :07:12.know it is an atmosphere in which they will be listened to? Yes. It
:07:13. > :07:16.might open doors for other people to come forward and say it happened in
:07:17. > :07:20.other sports as well or other youth movement. That is what we need to
:07:21. > :07:23.find out. Thank you so much. A pleasure.
:07:24. > :07:25.A new report has warned that council budgets could be
:07:26. > :07:28.cut by ?700 million by the end of the current parliament.
:07:29. > :07:30.The claim, from economists at the Fraser of Allender Institute,
:07:31. > :07:32.came ahead of this week's Scottish budget.
:07:33. > :07:35.Some local authorities are now having to draw up a list of services
:07:36. > :07:37.they'll have to cut, but the Government says councils
:07:38. > :07:40.are being treated fairly at a time when public funding is scarce.
:07:41. > :07:55.Everyday across Scotland, councils are providing vital services. They
:07:56. > :07:59.are responsible for schools, housing and lots more. Some say budget cuts
:08:00. > :08:05.are having an impact on their ability to deliver. Just look at
:08:06. > :08:09.this figure. ?1.1 billion. That is how much the Scottish Government has
:08:10. > :08:12.cut funding to councils in the last six years according to economist at
:08:13. > :08:18.Fraser of Allander Institute. At the same time, the report says local
:08:19. > :08:23.authorities know how to do a lot of extra stuff on top like expanding
:08:24. > :08:25.childcare and free school meals. The Labour leader of Scotland's's
:08:26. > :08:33.biggest council said that situation cannot go on. Last year we had to
:08:34. > :08:36.trim the budget to give support for employment. There are many
:08:37. > :08:42.challenges in terms of getting people into work. We think that was
:08:43. > :08:46.very unfair on our city. We have had to introduce charges on services
:08:47. > :08:50.they use to be available for free. We have had difficult challenges for
:08:51. > :08:56.how we provide support for our elderly and our most vulnerable
:08:57. > :09:01.citizens. How our local authorities dealing with the pinch? Insert
:09:02. > :09:05.Lanarkshire, the Government reckons they are going to cut the funding by
:09:06. > :09:12.more than ?22 million in the year ahead. It has drawn up a list of
:09:13. > :09:16.funding that has to be cut. Among them, cutting funding to outside
:09:17. > :09:21.organisations like these who do things like tackle inequality in
:09:22. > :09:24.communities. How has the Scottish Government responded? Ministers say
:09:25. > :09:29.councils have been treated fairly, despite cuts to the Scottish budget
:09:30. > :09:32.by the UK Government. It is important to reflect on the fact
:09:33. > :09:36.that local authorities have been treated very fairly. Looking
:09:37. > :09:40.forward, I cannot preview the budget, but I will make sure there
:09:41. > :09:45.is a strong and share settlement for it local authority to keep providing
:09:46. > :09:50.public services. It doesn't look like there is going to be any letup
:09:51. > :09:52.on budget pressures. Fraser of Allander Institute says the
:09:53. > :09:56.Government is committed to costly policies like protecting the NHS and
:09:57. > :10:02.police spending and that means there is less cash to go around. There is
:10:03. > :10:05.each rank of lights for councils next year. Council tax in the top
:10:06. > :10:11.four bands is going to increase and the council tax freeze will end.
:10:12. > :10:14.That means many of you having to pay more. Local authorities say that is
:10:15. > :10:15.the price of delivering everyday services that many of us just can't
:10:16. > :10:16.do without. Well, meanwhile, the President
:10:17. > :10:18.of the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities,
:10:19. > :10:20.David O'Neill has warned that further cuts to council funding
:10:21. > :10:22.would be disastrous. A short while ago, I asked him
:10:23. > :10:38.what he was expecting What I am expecting and hoping for
:10:39. > :10:41.two very different things probably. I'm expecting that the Government is
:10:42. > :10:46.going to reduce the amount of money that is available for local
:10:47. > :10:51.Government. If I was to express my hopes, it would be that we got our
:10:52. > :10:56.fair share of the additional resources coming to Scotland. We
:10:57. > :11:01.could use that to close the attainment gap. We could use that
:11:02. > :11:06.for a care packages. We deduce to repair holes in the road, to cut the
:11:07. > :11:12.grass. If we get a reduction in the amount money available to us, all of
:11:13. > :11:17.those things and much, much more will be in danger of not being able
:11:18. > :11:20.to be delivered. But you are going to have the ability from next year
:11:21. > :11:26.to raise council tax. Councils have the discretion to 3%. Is that
:11:27. > :11:31.something you think that they would do, have a reduction in the overall
:11:32. > :11:36.budget? I am sure that some councils will use that. To move from a
:11:37. > :11:41.council tax freeze to a council tax cap is only marginally worse. We
:11:42. > :11:46.should have discretion along with our communities to decide what local
:11:47. > :11:50.taxation should be. There is effectively no local taxation in
:11:51. > :11:53.Scotland, because it is now so tightly controlled by the central
:11:54. > :12:00.Government. But you're getting an income from council tax and
:12:01. > :12:03.nondomestic rates, business rates essentially as well. Is it not time
:12:04. > :12:08.that councils got better at raising money? Either not new ways they
:12:09. > :12:12.could be increasing their own income by the paid services they provide?
:12:13. > :12:17.Providing more of them, broader ones. Aberdeen City Council are
:12:18. > :12:22.raising funds through capital markets. Is it not time to look at
:12:23. > :12:27.the way money is coming in and look beyond central Government.
:12:28. > :12:31.Absolutely. We have been saying to central Government for a long time
:12:32. > :12:36.that the fact that the only form of local taxation which is nominally
:12:37. > :12:42.controlled by local Government is the council tax, which only raises
:12:43. > :12:46.about 15% of expenditure. That is not a satisfactory position. We
:12:47. > :12:49.should be moving towards what happens practically everywhere else
:12:50. > :12:54.in the world will local Government has democratic control and
:12:55. > :12:58.accountability in over 50% of its expenditure and we shouldn't have to
:12:59. > :13:03.rely so much central Government. Because of the system we have, we're
:13:04. > :13:08.been forced into this position will be only raise 15% and they control
:13:09. > :13:13.the purse strings for the rest. Then they tell us what that money is to
:13:14. > :13:18.spent on. You would like more freedom to decide what that money is
:13:19. > :13:23.spent on? We would like more freedom, we would like the ability
:13:24. > :13:30.to raise income in different ways. Do you not have that already? No.
:13:31. > :13:34.You can get income through charges for leisure services or some of the
:13:35. > :13:41.care at home services. There is an amount of money that comes that.
:13:42. > :13:48.Council house rent is raised in that way. The bird taxed at the tourist
:13:49. > :13:52.tax, we shouldn't call it that, but if a terrorist is coming soon in a
:13:53. > :13:57.place like Edinburgh or Glasgow, another pound a night would be
:13:58. > :14:03.nothing to their trip. That could bring income into local authorities.
:14:04. > :14:08.That is a model being used abroad in many places. We have at the
:14:09. > :14:12.Government to consider a range of taxation available to local
:14:13. > :14:17.Government, so that we are not so solely reliant on the two main
:14:18. > :14:22.sources which is the council tax and Government tax. Are councils being
:14:23. > :14:27.efficient enough? Cancels constantly strives to be more efficient than
:14:28. > :14:30.they are. If anybody seriously thinks that efficiency savings are
:14:31. > :14:32.going to get us out of the black hole that we are in, then we are
:14:33. > :14:53.living in cloud cuckoo land. There is always scope
:14:54. > :14:55.for efficiencies. The big efficiencies to be made today are
:14:56. > :14:57.not within councils, it is within councils and other public bodies
:14:58. > :15:00.working across agencies. That is where will make efficiency savings.
:15:01. > :15:03.Even that is not going to be enough to get us out of the black hole we
:15:04. > :15:06.are in. They think you have the same cuts essentially, they are just
:15:07. > :15:08.working with what they have been given from Westminster. There is
:15:09. > :15:10.nothing wrong with spending money in the health service, they are going
:15:11. > :15:14.to increase expenditure in the health service and police service
:15:15. > :15:17.and another example is that since austerity started, there have been
:15:18. > :15:22.50,000 job losses in the public sector within Scotland. 40,000 of
:15:23. > :15:26.them in local Government, that doesn't sound as if local Government
:15:27. > :15:29.is getting treated fairly by the same as everyone else and is more
:15:30. > :15:32.money coming to the Scottish Government from Westminster. Thank
:15:33. > :15:36.you for coming in. Thank you. Well, if you've got a reliable
:15:37. > :15:40.partner, you're half way A good relationship should
:15:41. > :15:43.have a more beneficial effect on your mental health and happiness
:15:44. > :15:46.than just about anything else, according to a team of researchers
:15:47. > :15:49.at the London School of Economics. And contrary to what you might
:15:50. > :15:52.expect, money hardly featured. Joining me now is Elke Heins,
:15:53. > :15:55.a wellbeing researcher and lecturer in social policy at
:15:56. > :16:12.the University of Edinburgh. Good evening. Do you agree with this
:16:13. > :16:16.finding? The range of International studies seems to conclude that
:16:17. > :16:22.relationships are more important for happiness than money? I agree to an
:16:23. > :16:29.extent. We also know from research as Scotland that people also value
:16:30. > :16:38.friends, family, health more than money. But we also know from
:16:39. > :16:47.research that deprived communities have a gap compared to the rest.
:16:48. > :16:51.Friendships and relationships, important but I disagree with some
:16:52. > :16:56.of the conclusions of the study that say that the government should not
:16:57. > :17:06.put money in, but focus on other things. And how do we actually
:17:07. > :17:12.measure happiness? Various ways. You can just as people how satisfied
:17:13. > :17:20.they are with life, and also more objective terms. It is a difficult
:17:21. > :17:33.question. No, no agreement about to to exactly measure happiness. And
:17:34. > :17:38.doubling somebody's pay saw happiness rise 0.2 on a scale of
:17:39. > :17:44.ten? Does that sound correct? We were talking about that in the
:17:45. > :17:49.office. I am not surprised. It is a long-standing paradox, for happiness
:17:50. > :17:56.research. It is individual level, and society level, we know that
:17:57. > :18:05.within society richer people are more happy than the poor. But we
:18:06. > :18:10.know that rich societies are not much happier, not to the extent that
:18:11. > :18:21.we would expect. Yes, money matters, but only point. It is the threshold
:18:22. > :18:28.effect, after basic needs have been met, gain from more money diminishes
:18:29. > :18:34.in terms of happiness. I am not that surprised by the findings of this
:18:35. > :18:39.study because it was conducted at rich society such as the United
:18:40. > :18:44.Kingdom, Australia. And from that policy point of view, this research,
:18:45. > :18:51.helpful? Tackling depression and anxiety, would be four times as
:18:52. > :18:58.effective as poverty? And that would essentially pay for itself? We would
:18:59. > :19:01.be more productive, and less pressure on the NHS? I really
:19:02. > :19:08.disagree with that. I do not think that we can neglect fair income
:19:09. > :19:14.policies, we have to make sure that everybody has income that
:19:15. > :19:23.contributes to kill the lights. -- healthy lives. Money buys you
:19:24. > :19:29.happiness. Not directly, but it is instrumental, enabling you to get
:19:30. > :19:36.goods that enable you to have healthy lives, and be socially
:19:37. > :19:42.connected to the community. I am suspicious about this drastic
:19:43. > :19:45.conclusion. I would argue that the government and the policies need to
:19:46. > :19:49.make sure that you have the fair distribution of income and that
:19:50. > :19:55.everybody has an off for healthy living. Sore looking at well-being,
:19:56. > :20:05.you think it would be economic drivers? That money would be the
:20:06. > :20:12.thing to achieve that? It is the concept, and money does play a part.
:20:13. > :20:19.That is not to say that friendships do not matter, of course they do,
:20:20. > :20:25.what we cannot cordon one from the other. In order to improve things,
:20:26. > :20:30.we need to get the basics correct and enable people to be part of
:20:31. > :20:36.society. And quickly, the perception that we are less happy than we used
:20:37. > :20:43.to be? Do you think that is the case? Happiness is relative, and we
:20:44. > :20:54.are comparing each other, so that the richer you get, you may still
:20:55. > :20:58.wish to compare to someone else. It is a competitive society, and one
:20:59. > :21:04.thing that has been found to be important for happiness, on a wider
:21:05. > :21:11.level, it is the feeling of trust. Social trust, social cohesion and
:21:12. > :21:17.trust with political institutions. This is important, and the policy
:21:18. > :21:20.needs to act. Thank you for joining us. Thank you.
:21:21. > :21:22.Well, to discuss that and the rest of today's stories,
:21:23. > :21:25.I'm joined by the journalist Katie Grant and Daily Record's
:21:26. > :21:39.It is interesting research. You think it is helpful to look at
:21:40. > :21:42.happiness? I think it is helpful because we are interested in it but
:21:43. > :21:53.I do not think government has much of a place in how happy we are, just
:21:54. > :21:59.talking about relationships. I think most people's major anxiety comes
:22:00. > :22:06.from financial things, housing, and government has that rule. I think it
:22:07. > :22:09.is reminiscent of David Cameron's 2010, general well-being. We have
:22:10. > :22:14.these arguments and discussions but I do not think they are much to do
:22:15. > :22:17.with government. I would be unhappy if the government suddenly thought
:22:18. > :22:23.we do not need to do anything else other than legislate that people
:22:24. > :22:27.should be friends with other people! What these think? Do you think
:22:28. > :22:31.policymakers can get something useful? I do not think it has to be
:22:32. > :22:39.mutually exclusive. Money can get you a little bit of happiness. But
:22:40. > :22:42.still a lot that the government could do without having to think
:22:43. > :22:50.about anything you. If you look at Mental Health Act, treatment times
:22:51. > :22:55.are not up to scratch across Scotland. So money could be spent
:22:56. > :22:58.now to deal with problems that exist that could improve the well-being of
:22:59. > :23:06.the nation without having to abandon everything else. And do you think we
:23:07. > :23:12.put in focus ourselves on happiness and well-being, with the stressful
:23:13. > :23:18.ways? We have started to equate happiness with the things that we
:23:19. > :23:22.do, so we have got the bucket list, thinking that if I do all of these
:23:23. > :23:27.things then I am going to be happy. But you are never happy, just
:23:28. > :23:33.deciding to do things, it is about moments in your life, often
:23:34. > :23:38.unexpected. I think we have too much focus on actively trying to be
:23:39. > :23:45.happy, we do not just relax into the moment. If you keep asking am I
:23:46. > :23:47.happy, that itself can make you anxious. Do you think it is better
:23:48. > :23:54.to look at things that we than judging what you have? Probably,
:23:55. > :23:59.yes. And it is nice to think that money is not the be all and end all,
:24:00. > :24:05.but it makes people happy when they have money that they can spend, on
:24:06. > :24:13.other people as well. I think something for both sides to take. We
:24:14. > :24:16.have also been talking about council funding, the Scottish Government
:24:17. > :24:18.going to announce the budget on Thursday. More details about the
:24:19. > :24:25.funding settlement for local councils. And the knock-on effect
:24:26. > :24:34.for local councils. This is going to be thorny? Yes. But for many years,
:24:35. > :24:40.the SNP has used local councils as a political punchbag. Soul that we can
:24:41. > :24:44.almost blame the council. I think that unlocking of the council tax
:24:45. > :24:49.freeze is going to be a good thing. We should have more accountability.
:24:50. > :24:53.But I do not know if it is going to come with the relaxation about how
:24:54. > :24:59.they can spend money. And I am sure that the government, as governments
:25:00. > :25:09.do, will try to blame the government for these shortcomings. Throny path
:25:10. > :25:15.ahead. Hitting people last able to help themselves. And we have heard
:25:16. > :25:22.about them not been able to make enough? Any change to that? It is
:25:23. > :25:29.going to be an interesting path coming up. The elections next year.
:25:30. > :25:34.The decisions made just now could fall into the hands of SNP
:25:35. > :25:41.controlled councils, if a lot of them go that way. They are going to
:25:42. > :25:45.have to start making decisions, about how to justify local taxation
:25:46. > :25:52.and justify why they do not have enough control. Who do they blame?
:25:53. > :25:56.It is sad that it is all about blaming. And the other thing, the
:25:57. > :26:00.council tax that is going to be raised by councils with the 3% on
:26:01. > :26:07.the council tax bands, if they choose to you that, -- use that,
:26:08. > :26:17.could be allocated to diminishing the attainment gap. I noticed that
:26:18. > :26:22.the terminology used, it was the schemes to lessen the attainment
:26:23. > :26:31.gap. We need to have more than just giving the schools some more money,
:26:32. > :26:34.and they do not diminish the gap then it could be their fault. I
:26:35. > :26:44.think it could somehow be wasted, with a lot of other council services
:26:45. > :26:47.being diminished. And not much gain for the extra money raised. And on
:26:48. > :26:56.the issue of accountability, do you think that voters know enough?
:26:57. > :27:01.Thinking about voting for local councils? You wonder when people go
:27:02. > :27:06.to the polls how much people are wondering about the party. People do
:27:07. > :27:12.not know enough about what the council does, any level of
:27:13. > :27:18.government. People, I remember local teams going out and fighting on bin
:27:19. > :27:22.collections for Westminster elections and the issues just get
:27:23. > :27:27.jumbled up. I do not think people know enough about what the councils
:27:28. > :27:30.do, and they probably do not have the powers they need.
:27:31. > :27:32.Donald Trump has called the CIA's claims that Russian hackers meddled
:27:33. > :27:39.In his latest tweet tirade, the President Elect also said,
:27:40. > :27:41."Can you imagine if the election results
:27:42. > :27:43.were the opposite and we tried to play the Russia/CIA card.
:27:44. > :27:46.It would be called conspiracy theory!"
:27:47. > :28:01.This came from the CIA. What can you do? Apart from the parts of America
:28:02. > :28:05.that voted for Trump, he is probably more popular in Russia than any
:28:06. > :28:10.other country. It is interesting to see what Donald Trump's reactions to
:28:11. > :28:16.these things coming up. They seem to be reasonably thoughtless. What we
:28:17. > :28:23.can say, we hope to see him moving more into this president elect mode,
:28:24. > :28:31.but he seems to be just the same. We also have to be careful... The new
:28:32. > :28:38.Secretary of State being appointed, sometimes we're so used to just
:28:39. > :28:43.treating Trump as a joke. He's not any more. We have to look at things
:28:44. > :28:44.more carefully. Thank you both for coming in.
:28:45. > :28:49.I'm back again tomorrow night, usual time.