28/06/2016

:00:00. > :00:00.1982-2010... We are leaving the House of Commons to go live to the

:00:00. > :00:08.Scottish Parliament were First Minister Nicola Sturgeon will make a

:00:09. > :00:14.statement on the UK referendum on the EU. I would ask any member who

:00:15. > :00:18.wishes to speak against the motion to press request to speak button now

:00:19. > :00:26.and I call on Joe Fitzpatrick to move the motion. No member has asked

:00:27. > :00:31.to speak against the motion so I will put the question to the

:00:32. > :00:36.Chamber. Our agreed? Yes, we are all agreed. The next item of business is

:00:37. > :00:41.a statement by the First Minister on the EU referendum. Before I call the

:00:42. > :00:44.First Minister I would say a few words. This is the first opportunity

:00:45. > :00:49.we've had to come together since the monumental events of last week. The

:00:50. > :00:53.consequences of the EU referendum for Scotland are clearly complex and

:00:54. > :00:57.will take some time to fully emerge. I am determined that the Parliament

:00:58. > :01:02.is able to play a full role in this process, that we are able to be a

:01:03. > :01:06.voice and provide a platform for every voice in this debate and to

:01:07. > :01:11.scrutinise the reactions of the government in this matter. I am

:01:12. > :01:15.determined that the Parliament is able to respond to events as they

:01:16. > :01:19.develop also I have instructed the Parliamentary authorities to ensure

:01:20. > :01:23.that resources are available over the summary says if necessary to

:01:24. > :01:28.support a recall of Parliament, should I deem it necessary. I will

:01:29. > :01:31.remain in close contact with party leaders and with the business

:01:32. > :01:36.managers to discuss this matter and to report back to Parliament

:01:37. > :01:41.regularly on progress. Thank you. I call on the First Minister. Thank

:01:42. > :01:46.you very much, Presiding Officer. This is not a statement I wanted to

:01:47. > :01:50.make. The Scottish Government did not seek a referendum on membership

:01:51. > :01:56.of the EU, and we certainly did not want this result. While of course I

:01:57. > :01:59.respect the views of all those who voted, the UK result leaves me

:02:00. > :02:04.deeply disappointed and profoundly concerned. The Scottish Government

:02:05. > :02:08.continues to believe that membership of the European Union is in their

:02:09. > :02:13.best interests of Scotland, four our economy, society, culture and place

:02:14. > :02:19.and the world. And not just for Scotland but for the rest of the UK.

:02:20. > :02:23.That is why with the great majority of members of this Parliament and

:02:24. > :02:27.all the party leaders, I campaigned hard for a remain result. I am proud

:02:28. > :02:30.that Scotland voted to remain within the EU, and that we did so

:02:31. > :02:33.emphatically. It is of course important for all of us to recognise

:02:34. > :02:38.that some in Scotland did not vote to remain, but instead to leave the

:02:39. > :02:42.EU, and I want to make it clear that, as we move forward, I am

:02:43. > :02:46.committed to listening, understanding and seeking to address

:02:47. > :02:51.the concerns that they have. However more than 60% of voters across

:02:52. > :02:54.Scotland and the majority in every single one of our 32 local authority

:02:55. > :02:59.area said clearly that wanted Scotland to stay in the EU. Scotland

:03:00. > :03:02.voted to stay inside the single market and to protect the jobs,

:03:03. > :03:07.investment and trade that depend on it. We chose Debian open, inclusive

:03:08. > :03:11.and outward looking society where other EU citizens are welcomed to

:03:12. > :03:15.live, work and contribute. We voted to protect freedom and prosperity

:03:16. > :03:19.that comes with our rights to travel, live, work and study in

:03:20. > :03:23.other European countries. And we endorse the principle of independent

:03:24. > :03:27.countries working together to tackle global issues like climate change,

:03:28. > :03:32.energy security and the fight against terrorism. Scotland spoke

:03:33. > :03:37.clearly for remain, and I am determined that Scotland was my

:03:38. > :03:41.voice will be heard. We are now of course in uncharted territory. We

:03:42. > :03:45.face risk and uncertainty greater perhaps than at any time in the

:03:46. > :03:48.post-war period. We are ready seeing some of the early consequences.

:03:49. > :03:52.There has been extraordinary volatility in equity and currency

:03:53. > :03:57.markets. Yonder financial markets, there are suggestions that companies

:03:58. > :03:59.are considering relocating jobs and diverging investment and that others

:04:00. > :04:04.are concerned about the future access to skilled workers. The

:04:05. > :04:07.Chancellor emerged yesterday, I would say from hiding although it

:04:08. > :04:12.was beginning to feel like that, the tellers that the UK aces the future

:04:13. > :04:18.from a position of strength. Just hours later they pound reached a 31-

:04:19. > :04:23.year low and the standard and Poor ratings agency downgraded the treble

:04:24. > :04:26.eight credit rating of the UK. Like all of us, I hope that we will see

:04:27. > :04:30.an early return of stability and some confidence. However, I fear

:04:31. > :04:34.that we are still in the early days of this period of risk and

:04:35. > :04:37.uncertainty. Presiding Officer, these are times that all pop and

:04:38. > :04:41.suppose, purpose and clarity, in short, for leadership. That is why

:04:42. > :04:45.the vacuum that has developed at Westminster is so acceptable.

:04:46. > :04:49.Politicians who propose this referendum, no matter how bruised

:04:50. > :04:52.they feel by the result have a duty now to step up to deal with the

:04:53. > :04:57.consequences of its outcome. Those who campaigned for the leave vote

:04:58. > :05:02.making another promises the process must now be clear and honest about

:05:03. > :05:09.their plans to deliver. One thing I think is clear. There cannot be

:05:10. > :05:13.three months of drift now while both the government and main opposition

:05:14. > :05:17.parties at Westminster emerge -- immerse themselves in internal

:05:18. > :05:19.elections. That would compound the difficult situation we are already

:05:20. > :05:25.facing and risk even more damage to our economy. We have heard that,

:05:26. > :05:29.almost incredibly, there was no plan for this outcome. It is my view that

:05:30. > :05:33.the UK Government must now get a grip on this. First, to restore

:05:34. > :05:37.stability and confidence, then to set out its plan for the way

:05:38. > :05:40.forward. And it must involve the Scottish Government in that work at

:05:41. > :05:46.every step of the way. The Scottish Government is already hard at work.

:05:47. > :05:51.I have set three priorities for our work in immediate term. I want to

:05:52. > :05:56.reassure those from other countries who have chosen to make Scotland

:05:57. > :05:59.their home, I made a commitment to them on the morning on the result

:06:00. > :06:03.and they want to repeat it here today. You are welcome in Scotland,

:06:04. > :06:12.this is your home and we value your contribution.

:06:13. > :06:16.APPLAUSE This commitment is all the more

:06:17. > :06:21.important in light of reported racist attacks in the wake of last

:06:22. > :06:27.week 's result. Letters as a Parliament Unite today, to make

:06:28. > :06:30.clear that Scotland is an open and welcoming country and that

:06:31. > :06:35.prejudice, hate and racism will not be tolerated, now or at any time.

:06:36. > :06:39.The terms of the motion we debate this afternoon I thought this whole

:06:40. > :06:44.Chamber the chance to send that message loudly and clearly. Alistair

:06:45. > :06:52.Allan, the Minister for Europe, stressed, commitment to EU citizens

:06:53. > :06:56.resident in Scotland and over the next week I will post consuls

:06:57. > :06:58.general from all the EU member states to provide further

:06:59. > :07:04.reassurance in the weeks and months ahead. The Deputy First Minister is

:07:05. > :07:08.also taking steps to reassure EU students, already studying in awed

:07:09. > :07:12.you do come to Scotland, of their continued place in our academic

:07:13. > :07:15.community, and I welcome the commitment from Aberdeen University

:07:16. > :07:19.to guarantee the Jewish and EU students for the duration of their

:07:20. > :07:27.course, whatever the UK does. -- tuition for. We have been speaking

:07:28. > :07:31.to as this is, organisations and stakeholders to provide as much

:07:32. > :07:34.clarity as we possibly can, and to understand the concerns and

:07:35. > :07:38.perspectives of all those affected by this period of damaging

:07:39. > :07:41.uncertainty. We have made clear in those discussions, Scotland remains

:07:42. > :07:45.a stable and attractive place for business and investment. Our ability

:07:46. > :07:49.to trade with EU countries continues unaffected by the result of the

:07:50. > :07:53.referendum until the UK concludes any negotiations and it is my

:07:54. > :07:58.intention that we will secure continued access to the single

:07:59. > :08:01.market for Scotland. I summoned a resilience meeting within a few

:08:02. > :08:04.hours of the result being confirmed, to review with ministerial

:08:05. > :08:08.colleagues the early impact and the Scottish Government 's Land's End

:08:09. > :08:12.actions in response. The following morning, Saturday, I chaired the

:08:13. > :08:14.meeting of the Scottish Cabinet. My colleagues reported on their

:08:15. > :08:18.immediate engagement across different sectors and communities in

:08:19. > :08:22.Scotland. That engagement continues to inform our planning and response.

:08:23. > :08:26.Scotland is a good place to do business. Let us be clear about

:08:27. > :08:32.that. Letters also be clear about this. If, in the circumstances the

:08:33. > :08:36.UK is now in, Scotland does find a way to maintain or ablation should

:08:37. > :08:39.the EU, as I am determined we will, then Scotland will become an even

:08:40. > :08:43.more attractive place to do business, and I want to make sure

:08:44. > :08:47.that we are alert to those opportunities. Presiding Officer,

:08:48. > :08:51.this government and Parliament will not look in on ourselves. We will

:08:52. > :08:56.listen and we will lead. That is what people expect, and that is what

:08:57. > :09:02.we must continue to do. Let me turn now to our third and overriding

:09:03. > :09:06.priority. Through all of this, I am determined, utterly determined, to

:09:07. > :09:12.protect Scotland 's relationship with and are placed in the European

:09:13. > :09:16.Union. The formal process of UK leaving the EU does not start until

:09:17. > :09:21.the Prime Minister notifies the European Council of the terms of

:09:22. > :09:25.article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty of an intention to withdraw. As the

:09:26. > :09:30.Prime Minister made clear on Friday morning, he does not intend to make

:09:31. > :09:33.that notification. It will be a matter for his successor. That means

:09:34. > :09:38.we are not yet at the stage of formal negotiations. It is vital,

:09:39. > :09:41.however, that we seize the chance we have before these negotiations

:09:42. > :09:45.start, to ensure that Scotland 's voice is heard as widely as

:09:46. > :09:48.possible, in London, in Brussels and by member states across Europe. The

:09:49. > :09:52.Prime Minister gave me a commitment on Friday morning to the full

:09:53. > :09:55.engagement of the Scottish Government, and to ensure that the

:09:56. > :10:00.interest of all parts of the UK are protected and advanced. Today I seek

:10:01. > :10:03.the Parliament 's authority to hold the pie minister and his successor

:10:04. > :10:06.to that commitment. This week I have discussed the situation with the

:10:07. > :10:09.president of the club -- of the Republic of Ireland, who will

:10:10. > :10:16.address the Chamber tomorrow. I had an constructive discussion this

:10:17. > :10:21.morning with the Taoiseach. We are in touch with other heads of state

:10:22. > :10:24.including through the British Irish Council which met in Glasgow before

:10:25. > :10:28.the referendum, and which I expect me meet again very shortly. I spoke

:10:29. > :10:31.on Friday with a mirror of London and this morning that the chief

:10:32. > :10:35.minister of Gibraltar to discuss the shared interests we now have in

:10:36. > :10:38.protecting our relationship with Europe. The government is directly

:10:39. > :10:42.in touch with the governments of other member states, both to repeat

:10:43. > :10:45.our assurance that their citizens are welcoming Scotland, and to make

:10:46. > :10:51.clear Scotland 's strong commitment to our relationship with Europe. We

:10:52. > :10:54.have been in touch with the European Commission and Parliament in

:10:55. > :10:58.Brussels, responding to messages of encouragement and support for the

:10:59. > :11:01.work ahead. Through these contacts we have again emphasise the

:11:02. > :11:03.overwhelming support in Scotland for staying in the European Union, and

:11:04. > :11:08.the commitment of the Scottish Government to protecting our

:11:09. > :11:11.relationship with Europe. These contacts are, of course, just the

:11:12. > :11:17.start. Tomorrow, I will make an initial visit to Brussels to set out

:11:18. > :11:20.Scotland 's position and interest to representatives of the major groups

:11:21. > :11:23.in the European Parliament, and to the president of the European

:11:24. > :11:26.Parliament, Martin Schultz. I expect to hear from the Prime Minister on

:11:27. > :11:31.the outcome of the European Council taking place this week and,

:11:32. > :11:34.following that, I intend to set out Scotland 's position directly to the

:11:35. > :11:38.European Commission. We are following up our first contact with

:11:39. > :11:41.other member states, the Cabinet Secretary for culture, Europe and

:11:42. > :11:47.external affairs met the ambassador was of Slovakia, Germany and France

:11:48. > :11:48.to share our response to the result and our determinations to protect

:11:49. > :11:53.Scotland 's relationship with Europe.

:11:54. > :12:02.Presiding officer, we have made a good start, our early priority is to

:12:03. > :12:05.spread awareness in Europe of Scotland's different choice in the

:12:06. > :12:10.referendum, and our aspiration to stay in the European Union. We will

:12:11. > :12:15.intensify this work in the weeks and days that lie ahead for is the it is

:12:16. > :12:19.my responsibility to ensure that Scotland's voice is heard in Europe,

:12:20. > :12:24.and I intend to do so. I have been very clear, I want our work to be

:12:25. > :12:30.guided at every step of the way by expert advice and wide experience.

:12:31. > :12:36.We have a great deal of work to do, basing government, and a parliament.

:12:37. > :12:41.To set out and evaluate all the impact of the referendum results,

:12:42. > :12:46.and all the options open to Scotland to secure our relationship with the

:12:47. > :12:51.European Union. For that reason, I'm setting up a standing counsel of

:12:52. > :12:58.experts to give advice to me and the government on how best to achieve

:12:59. > :13:04.our EU objectives. This will be a team of experts on finance, and

:13:05. > :13:08.political and constitutional opinions. It will provide the

:13:09. > :13:12.government with access to a wealth of knowledge built up over the use

:13:13. > :13:16.of experience. The council will consider the impact of proposed

:13:17. > :13:20.changes to the UK's relationship with the EE on Scottish interests,

:13:21. > :13:25.and advise Scottish ministers on the best way to secure Scottish

:13:26. > :13:29.interests and objectives. Membership of the council will be flexible to

:13:30. > :13:34.ensure we have access to appropriate advice as and when it is required.

:13:35. > :13:43.However I can advise Parliament to date it will be chaired by a

:13:44. > :13:48.principal of Glasgow University, and include Professor Sir David Edward,

:13:49. > :13:55.former judge of the European Court of Justice. Dame Edwards, formerly

:13:56. > :14:00.of Nato. John McKay one of the country's leading economists. And

:14:01. > :14:03.Glover, former chief scientific adviser to the president of the

:14:04. > :14:11.European Commission. Charles Grant, director for the centre of European

:14:12. > :14:17.reform. David Martin, Labour member of the European Parliament. I intend

:14:18. > :14:22.to publish the full list of initial members later today. Presiding

:14:23. > :14:26.officer I have set out for Parliament the action we have taken

:14:27. > :14:31.so far since the results of the referendum became clear. The nation

:14:32. > :14:36.we shall debate shortly invites the Parliament to give me and my

:14:37. > :14:42.government a mandate to continue this work, and to explore every

:14:43. > :14:46.option for retaining Scotland's relationship with the European

:14:47. > :14:50.Union. I very much hope it will attract support across this chamber.

:14:51. > :14:54.The motion calls on the government to report back to Parliament and the

:14:55. > :14:59.European committee, and we will do so. I will keep party leaders

:15:00. > :15:03.informed of progress, and asked the Cabinet Secretary for Europe to keep

:15:04. > :15:07.counterparts fully informed over the Parliamentary recess. I ensure the

:15:08. > :15:12.chamber that we will return to Parliament to seek approval of any

:15:13. > :15:16.outcome to the discussions. I believe there is a role for key

:15:17. > :15:20.committees in the Scottish Parliament to contribute to this

:15:21. > :15:23.vital process. I will be very happy to discuss that with the European

:15:24. > :15:28.committee of the earliest opportunity. Presiding Officer, let

:15:29. > :15:33.me turn finally to the matter of independence. I want to be clear to

:15:34. > :15:37.Parliament, while I believe independence is the best option for

:15:38. > :15:41.Scotland, I don't think that will come as a surprise to anyone, it is

:15:42. > :15:46.not my starting point in these discussions. My starting point is to

:15:47. > :15:52.protect Scotland's interests, and protect our relationship with the

:15:53. > :15:56.EU. However I am in no doubt there has been a very real material change

:15:57. > :16:01.to Scotland's circumstances brought about by last week's referendum

:16:02. > :16:05.result. There is no doubt we are not very different place week from last.

:16:06. > :16:10.During the independence referendum will be told staying in the UK made

:16:11. > :16:14.me to benefit from having guaranteed access to the a driving factor in

:16:15. > :16:20.many people's votes will stop that is no longer true. The country that

:16:21. > :16:26.that usual settlement people voted for in 2014 is no longer a reality.

:16:27. > :16:30.Based on a very clear result in Scotland, if we were to be removed

:16:31. > :16:35.from the EU, it will be against the will of our people, democratically

:16:36. > :16:39.unacceptable. It is for that reason that I have said everything must be

:16:40. > :16:43.on the table to protect our place in Europe, including a second

:16:44. > :16:48.independence referendum. To ensure that the option of holding a

:16:49. > :16:55.referendum within the time frame of UK negotiations on leaving the EE

:16:56. > :16:58.five double to liquor -- leaving the EE is viable, we will prepare

:16:59. > :17:02.legislation. If the government does conclude that the best and only way

:17:03. > :17:06.to protect Scotland's place in the EE is through a referendum to

:17:07. > :17:13.independence, we will return to Parliament with that judgment, and

:17:14. > :17:15.it will be for Parliament to decide. I am emphatically not asking

:17:16. > :17:24.Parliament to endorse that statement to date. A vote for this motion is

:17:25. > :17:27.not a vote for a referendum on independence. I hope this will

:17:28. > :17:33.remove any option for the Conservatives not to back this

:17:34. > :17:45.option. It would be very regrettable if the party that has put us in this

:17:46. > :17:50.decision is the only one standing in our way in the efforts to resolve

:17:51. > :17:57.it. Voting to deny us Parliament to support for our discussions with

:17:58. > :18:01.Parliamentary organisations and EU members, would be to frustrate

:18:02. > :18:05.Scotland's interests. Residing officer, the position we find

:18:06. > :18:09.ourselves in is not of our making. There is no easy path ahead. At this

:18:10. > :18:14.stage there are no guaranteed outcomes. My job is to navigate the

:18:15. > :18:19.best possible path of Scotland, one that protects our interests, and

:18:20. > :18:25.gives effect to what the people of our country voted for. That is what

:18:26. > :18:28.I'm determined to do. As I do so, I promise I will be open and frank

:18:29. > :18:34.with Parliament and the Scottish people about the options, challenges

:18:35. > :18:38.that we face. I hope we can move forward in a spirit of unity and

:18:39. > :18:44.national purpose. Presiding officer, my final .2 days this. While our

:18:45. > :18:48.agenda on Europe is vital, we must not allow us to distract from the

:18:49. > :18:53.business of governing Scotland, delivering only priorities I set out

:18:54. > :18:57.only a month ago. Later to David the First Minister will underline our

:18:58. > :19:01.determination to promote excellence and equity in our education system

:19:02. > :19:07.by publishing Avenue education delivery plan. We will not waver in

:19:08. > :19:11.our determination to promote equalities, the economy and our

:19:12. > :19:16.situation of priorities. This situation will not stop us making

:19:17. > :19:20.Scotland a better country for people living and working here. Our

:19:21. > :19:24.decision to protect our place in the European Union will be part of that

:19:25. > :19:28.work. Presiding officer, to conclude I am asking Parliament to recognise

:19:29. > :19:34.the position Scotland has been placed in by the referendum result,

:19:35. > :19:40.a physician at odds with the will of the Scottish people. -- a position.

:19:41. > :19:44.I'm asking the Scottish parliament is support the motion we're bringing

:19:45. > :19:49.forward today. Scotland has voted to remain in Europe, we must take all

:19:50. > :19:52.the action necessary to insure the will of the Scottish people is

:19:53. > :19:56.respected. I am asking the chamber to support the government in the

:19:57. > :20:01.challenge that lies ahead of us, and for all of us to work together and

:20:02. > :20:06.to do our best to turn this moment of disappointment and regret into a

:20:07. > :20:13.new and promising beginning based on our common values our shared

:20:14. > :20:23.commitment to the people we serve. APPLAUSE.

:20:24. > :20:29.Can I thank the First Minister for her statement? Rather than take

:20:30. > :20:33.questions, we will move to a full debate on the European referendum.

:20:34. > :20:40.Can I ask the Cabinet Secretary for culture to move the motion for the

:20:41. > :20:46.First Minister? Formally moved. Can I ask the ministers wishing to speak

:20:47. > :20:49.to press their buttons. I suggest we allow the opening speakers from each

:20:50. > :20:54.party not to be interrupted. I call on Ruth Davidson. Presiding officer,

:20:55. > :20:59.I thank the First Minister for advanced notice of her statement.

:21:00. > :21:02.Too often political events are described as seismic, the tremors

:21:03. > :21:08.are more for politicians than working people. Last week's

:21:09. > :21:11.referendum was not one of them. It is a defining moment in our

:21:12. > :21:17.country's story. Deeply significant for all of us. I find myself

:21:18. > :21:21.reflecting, this time seven days ago I was in final preparations for the

:21:22. > :21:25.BBC debate arguing in favour of the European Union, where I was told we

:21:26. > :21:31.were overplaying the impact of Brexit. A week is a long time in

:21:32. > :21:36.politics. Major constitutional decisions, like EU and Scottish

:21:37. > :21:42.independence have major economic consequences. Last week's decision

:21:43. > :21:47.was not the one I supported, not the one I campaigned for. I am deeply

:21:48. > :21:53.disappointed by the result. The first message I want to send

:21:54. > :21:59.two-day, my belief in our capacity to meet the challenges we face has

:22:00. > :22:03.not diminished one inch. Those challenges are great, indeed.

:22:04. > :22:08.Complex. Questions upon questions, with more that have not been

:22:09. > :22:12.formulated, never mind answered. We are a nation with a fundamentally

:22:13. > :22:16.strong economy, educated workforce, developed a diplomatic network, and

:22:17. > :22:21.a capacity to overcome the challenges we face, of that I am

:22:22. > :22:27.certain. We are seeking to amend the gunmen's motion, let me set out

:22:28. > :22:30.where we support it. First and foremost, let us unite in this

:22:31. > :22:36.Parliament saying to people across the European Union, you are welcome,

:22:37. > :22:45.you are wanted, your contribution is recognised, this is your own. Too

:22:46. > :22:48.often, I fear... I fear the referendum debate is guilty

:22:49. > :22:53.discussing the contribution of EU migrants to this country as some

:22:54. > :22:57.sort of necessary evil, to fill the gaps in our labour market. Let us

:22:58. > :23:02.say it loud and clear, we don't just need your labour, we want your

:23:03. > :23:09.values, your brains, your culture and we want you. Let us unite in

:23:10. > :23:16.expressing the discuss in the attacks that EU citizens have faced

:23:17. > :23:21.in the day since referendum. The Scottish Conservatives pledge their

:23:22. > :23:25.support for the Scottish Government work with the UK Government in the

:23:26. > :23:29.coming weeks and months at the very negotiations are taking forward. It

:23:30. > :23:34.cannot be overstated how important this new settlement will be for all

:23:35. > :23:37.of us. It will define our new relationship with the European Union

:23:38. > :23:42.for generations. It is vital we get it right. It is vital all the voices

:23:43. > :23:47.are heard in putting the deal together. I won the First Minister

:23:48. > :23:50.of Scotland involved. I want the first ministers of Wales and

:23:51. > :23:57.Northern Ireland involved. Having stood alongside him last week,

:23:58. > :24:02.having seen him argue for the city, I can be so Lisa Dowd what the Mayor

:24:03. > :24:04.of London involved too. I'm pleased the Prime Minister has said he wants

:24:05. > :24:10.the default administrations involved. The correct way to

:24:11. > :24:15.progress. Even though the vote was to leave the EU, how emotion makes

:24:16. > :24:18.it clear we want to protect and maximise Scotland's place in Europe

:24:19. > :24:24.and the single market. I am not going to try and pretend this will

:24:25. > :24:29.be easy. My scepticism is on record. We all have a duty to those many

:24:30. > :24:32.people whose jobs rely on trade with EU member states to put scepticism

:24:33. > :24:37.to one side, and push for the best possible deal. In so doing, we need

:24:38. > :24:42.to ask practical questions, do we want Scotland to remain subject to

:24:43. > :24:47.EU law? Denouement powers over fishing, farming and the environment

:24:48. > :24:52.held in Brussels or this chamber? How do we protect the rights of the

:24:53. > :24:56.Scottish financial services industry? Some of the practical

:24:57. > :25:01.tasks that will lie ahead in the short and medium term. In saying

:25:02. > :25:07.that, I do not brush aside the more fundamental consequences of last

:25:08. > :25:11.weeks results? Consequences in Scotland have a wider and deeper

:25:12. > :25:16.significance. As our amendment makes clear, Scotland and Northern Ireland

:25:17. > :25:20.are to leave the European Union even though the majority did not want it.

:25:21. > :25:24.In response the First Minister has made it clear in the days since the

:25:25. > :25:29.date that she was to explore what options are available to Scotland.

:25:30. > :25:33.Let me say where we agree. We welcome the formation of a standing

:25:34. > :25:37.counsel of experts will stop the more expertise we have the better.

:25:38. > :25:41.If the Scottish Government wants to explore Scotland's options from

:25:42. > :25:45.within the United Kingdom, we can support that. After this stage we

:25:46. > :25:54.have concerns with the Scottish gunmen's approach since the days the

:25:55. > :25:58.result was announced. I cannot support that the Scottish gunmen had

:25:59. > :26:04.pushed questions of independence from consent. The First Minister's

:26:05. > :26:08.announcement that she had instructed Scottish officials to draw up the

:26:09. > :26:12.necessary legislation for a second referendum for independence. Nor can

:26:13. > :26:25.I ignore the First Minister justifying this on the basis... In

:26:26. > :26:30.order to remain European country, a referendum may have to happen. I

:26:31. > :26:33.heard the first Mr telling us this nation is nothing to do with

:26:34. > :26:38.independence. In the days since the result last week, it feels too many

:26:39. > :26:39.people that the SNP is talking about nothing but independence, doing so

:26:40. > :26:48.today. The First Minister speaks of people

:26:49. > :26:52.in Scotland worried and outraged at the EU result. I feel duty bound to

:26:53. > :26:56.speak up for the many people of Scotland who have contacted myself

:26:57. > :26:59.and my colleagues in the past few days to say that they, too, are

:27:00. > :27:03.deeply worried about the prospect of another referendum on independence.

:27:04. > :27:08.That is why we have included our opposition to this post back in our

:27:09. > :27:13.amendment today. You do not dampen the shock waves caused by one

:27:14. > :27:16.referendum by lighting the fuse on another nor by saying that the

:27:17. > :27:23.economic impact of leaving one union says that you should leave the union

:27:24. > :27:29.whose value and trade eclipses the other many times over. My abdomen is

:27:30. > :27:34.this post BR admits in favour of the UK in 2014 were not based on the

:27:35. > :27:37.risk of independence as convincing as they were, but because I believe

:27:38. > :27:42.that we, in Britain, have more in common than that which divides us.

:27:43. > :27:45.Does last week 's vote test that motion 's registered does, and there

:27:46. > :27:51.is little point in pretending otherwise. It tests, but it does not

:27:52. > :27:54.break it. It does not break the continuing logic of sharing power

:27:55. > :27:58.with the United Kingdom, not splitting from it. It does not break

:27:59. > :28:00.the arguments in favour of or in single market, a market that is more

:28:01. > :28:05.important to Scotland 's prosperity than the EU, not less. It does not

:28:06. > :28:09.break our shared story which despite the shock waves of the last few

:28:10. > :28:13.days, will endure. And the referendum result last week does not

:28:14. > :28:17.overturn the vote we had 21 months ago to remain part of the UK. I know

:28:18. > :28:23.that many people are hurt by the week -- last week 's result, pulling

:28:24. > :28:28.some have voted no in 2014. I am one of them. But the lesson of last week

:28:29. > :28:31.'s referendum are not a simple them and us, not when 1 million of our

:28:32. > :28:36.countrymen voted to leave, too. The lessons are far more profound. We

:28:37. > :28:41.have more in common across the UK than that which divides us? Yes, we

:28:42. > :28:45.have way, way too much in common. We have people who feel disempowered

:28:46. > :28:48.and voiceless. Anger at the way that power has been abused in politics,

:28:49. > :28:53.finance and the media, frustration and lack of access and barriers to

:28:54. > :28:56.social mobility and a growing sense of insecurity amongst families who

:28:57. > :28:59.feel that the world is passing them by. These are the questions we must

:29:00. > :29:03.face up to as a country, as we reflect on this debate. And they

:29:04. > :29:08.affect all of us, no matter which part of the UK you are from. These

:29:09. > :29:12.are the questions we should be answering, not repeating the same

:29:13. > :29:15.old arguments of the past. Presiding Officer, I think we can all agree

:29:16. > :29:19.that referendums are bruising, and not just bruising but on matters of

:29:20. > :29:23.such significance, they are wounding, too. From now on, I hope

:29:24. > :29:28.we find time to learn the right lessons, not the wrong ones, to

:29:29. > :29:31.emerge as a stronger society, a better nation and they still United

:29:32. > :29:44.Kingdom. I moved the amendment in my name. Recall Kezia Dugdale.

:29:45. > :29:49.Presiding Officer, we live in uncertain times. The social,

:29:50. > :29:52.political and economic order has been turned upside down. It will

:29:53. > :29:57.take many months and years for us to fully grasp the consequences. We

:29:58. > :30:00.have already seen the collapse in the pound, the fall in the value of

:30:01. > :30:04.companies, businesses uncertain about people and investments. Those

:30:05. > :30:11.whose jobs rely on access to the EU single market worry what the future

:30:12. > :30:14.holds. That may echo what other people have said in our message to

:30:15. > :30:18.EU migrants living and working in Scotland. You contribute not to just

:30:19. > :30:23.do the economy but to society and a culture that we have built together,

:30:24. > :30:26.so let me say to the 180,000 EU migrants living in Scotland on

:30:27. > :30:34.behalf of these benches, you are welcome.

:30:35. > :30:39.APPLAUSE 20% of them live here in Edinburgh.

:30:40. > :30:46.A city that I have a great honour of representing in this Parliament. 74%

:30:47. > :30:49.here voted to remain, one of the highest results in all of the United

:30:50. > :30:53.Kingdom. I know that there are people in this great city who,

:30:54. > :30:56.despite the support from their neighbours, now feel ill at ease.

:30:57. > :31:03.Because they have built their lives here and they now feel uncertain and

:31:04. > :31:06.anxious. As we fight for their rights and against the rising racism

:31:07. > :31:12.we must continue to show them love and understanding. We must also

:31:13. > :31:18.understand, however, that there were only in Scots who voted to leave the

:31:19. > :31:23.European Union. -- there were 1 million Scots. The Leave campaign

:31:24. > :31:25.contained some of the worst dog whistle racism and xenophobia that I

:31:26. > :31:33.have heard in my life. APPLAUSE

:31:34. > :31:39.Dog whistles that prone to foghorns whenever Nigel Farage spoke or

:31:40. > :31:46.unveiled a poster. That does not make every leave both a xenophobe or

:31:47. > :31:50.right-winger. There are working class communities here in Edinburgh

:31:51. > :31:55.and in Glasgow, just as there are in Sunderland and Sheffield, who feel

:31:56. > :32:03.powerless and are angry at the establishment. I was at the Glasgow

:32:04. > :32:08.count. I saw boxes in the First Minister 's own constituency split

:32:09. > :32:17.50-50. Here in Edinburgh, in the seat I sought to represent, the

:32:18. > :32:21.pro-communities in Madrid he wanted out, as they did in Sighthill and

:32:22. > :32:25.elsewhere in the city. This is the result, even in Scotland is not as

:32:26. > :32:27.straightforward as some have sought to pretend, and of us in this

:32:28. > :32:35.Chamber have a duty to better understand that and to listen and to

:32:36. > :32:39.Act upon what we hear. But we didn't vote in community 's, constituencies

:32:40. > :32:46.towns and as nations, we voted as one country, the United Kingdom. A

:32:47. > :32:50.country that we, as Scots, reaffirmed our commitment to just 18

:32:51. > :32:54.months ago. Millions of Scots want to be part of both unions. And that

:32:55. > :33:00.is why it is so important that we give the First Minister a la support

:33:01. > :33:05.to do everything she can to secure Scotland 's place in the European

:33:06. > :33:08.Union -- our support. We will support the government efforts to do

:33:09. > :33:14.the best it can to mitigate the worst of Brexit, but to strengthen

:33:15. > :33:18.also Scotland 's ties with European neighbours and allies. The priority

:33:19. > :33:23.must be securing jobs and the rights of workers. And all options for

:33:24. > :33:27.protecting Scotland 's place in a single market must be explored,

:33:28. > :33:30.including a federalised United Kingdom which could see both nations

:33:31. > :33:37.of the UK who voted to remain retained their membership and

:33:38. > :33:40.achieve associated status. The Labour Party stands ready to offer

:33:41. > :33:44.assistance where they can to the government. But that support is not

:33:45. > :33:49.unconditional. This Parliament will soon go into recess and not return

:33:50. > :33:54.for two months. It used to be said week was a long time in politics.

:33:55. > :34:01.One day in British politics just now feels like a lifetime. And in that

:34:02. > :34:06.context, two months is an eternity. Our recall of Parliament cannot be

:34:07. > :34:10.ruled out. The First Minister may leave this Chamber with the faith of

:34:11. > :34:13.these benches to speak to Europe and the best interests of securing

:34:14. > :34:19.Scotland 's future in the EU and the UK, but that faith can only be

:34:20. > :34:25.maintained by regular communication and involvement and briefings from

:34:26. > :34:29.government to opposition parties. A faith maintained by the continued

:34:30. > :34:33.understanding that, as First Minister, she travels to Europe with

:34:34. > :34:40.a duty to represent Scots that voted both yes and no, Scots that voted

:34:41. > :34:45.both remain and leave. But that they would be betrayed if, at any point,

:34:46. > :34:51.the First Minister tries to present our support for this motion as

:34:52. > :34:57.support for a second independence referendum. And on that basis, we

:34:58. > :35:01.cannot support the Tory amendment, because it removes support for the

:35:02. > :35:04.government to speak to the EU institutions and member states

:35:05. > :35:09.regarding Scotland 's future. The last line of the Tory motion also

:35:10. > :35:14.says this. Believes that the challenges of leaving the EU are not

:35:15. > :35:18.addressed by leaving the UK, Scotland 's own union of Nations,

:35:19. > :35:25.biggest market and closest friends. So let me warn Miss Davidson that

:35:26. > :35:28.she had better not dare to suggest that Labour's failure to back her

:35:29. > :35:34.motion is somehow a failure to back the United Kingdom. And I struggle

:35:35. > :35:38.to put into words that the anger that I feel towards her party at the

:35:39. > :35:42.moment. And anger that has been building since David Cameron

:35:43. > :35:45.announced in this post for English laws within minutes of the Scottish

:35:46. > :35:52.independence referendum result. And anger that grew when her party set

:35:53. > :35:55.Scottish voters against English voters in a hugely divisive and

:35:56. > :36:02.disingenuous to thousands 15 campaign. Anger at a party that

:36:03. > :36:09.forced this EU referendum on a country that did not want it, only

:36:10. > :36:14.to resolve a contest in the Tory Party!

:36:15. > :36:19.APPLAUSE And Tory campaign in last month 's

:36:20. > :36:24.election that told the nation that all that mattered was whether he

:36:25. > :36:27.wore a unionist or a Nationalist -- whether you wear red unionist and

:36:28. > :36:32.Nationalist. That had no vision for Scotland and boiled down to just two

:36:33. > :36:39.key messages. One, you can only trust the Tories to protect the

:36:40. > :36:44.union. How is that going now, Ruth? And two, that the Tories would for a

:36:45. > :36:49.strong opposition. And all that they stand opposed to today is giving the

:36:50. > :36:55.First Minister some support to speak to EU institutions about our future.

:36:56. > :37:00.The Tories up at the future of the United Kingdom in danger of every

:37:01. > :37:08.kind, and it is I time they showed some responsibility for that.

:37:09. > :37:12.APPLAUSE Presiding Officer, the priority of

:37:13. > :37:18.these benches is to focus on jobs and the economy and make the best of

:37:19. > :37:20.a very bad situation, and we will support the government tonight to do

:37:21. > :37:33.just that. APPLAUSE

:37:34. > :37:36.I called Patrick Harvie. I am grateful for the opportunity to

:37:37. > :37:41.contribute to a debate which, like others, I wish we were not having to

:37:42. > :37:44.have. I would like to thank the First Minister four for an advance

:37:45. > :37:47.copy of her statement and I agree with the substance of it, and I

:37:48. > :37:52.appreciate the tone in which it was made all stop can I also thank my

:37:53. > :37:56.own colleagues in the Scottish Green Party you went out and campaign?

:37:57. > :38:01.They were tired, they put their energy, like all party activists and

:38:02. > :38:06.campaigners, their energy, time and money into an election campaign for

:38:07. > :38:09.national elections just weeks previously, but they went out and

:38:10. > :38:13.campaigned and, along with colleagues across the political

:38:14. > :38:17.spectrum, they secured a strong a democratic mandate from the people

:38:18. > :38:22.of Scotland, we are European and we are staying European. I want to

:38:23. > :38:27.endorse the First Minister 's comments about immigration in

:38:28. > :38:30.particular. And our respect for migrants who come here, you have

:38:31. > :38:35.chosen to be part of our society, whether from the EU or from other

:38:36. > :38:41.parts of the world, who are feeling excluded, feeling divided from our

:38:42. > :38:45.society, as we speak. As a German citizen who spoke at a rally outside

:38:46. > :38:48.Parliament make clear, the feeling of isolation, many people have been

:38:49. > :38:57.forced to endure over recent weeks and months is unacceptable. There is

:38:58. > :39:00.a Jedinak anger at -- legitimate Angharad years of political and

:39:01. > :39:03.media pandering to racism and xenophobia that has taken place in

:39:04. > :39:11.this country, and those who are responsible for that, those in

:39:12. > :39:15.politics and in the media who have taken part in that there are a heavy

:39:16. > :39:19.responsibility for the scenes that we have now seen. The far right and

:39:20. > :39:24.racist tendencies which have been cultivated during this campaign and

:39:25. > :39:28.given disturbing expression since the result, must be opposed. The

:39:29. > :39:34.failure of the political mainstream, and I think Kezia Dugdale had a very

:39:35. > :39:37.sound point on this, the failure of the political mainstream to build an

:39:38. > :39:43.economy which works for the common good has left huge numbers of April

:39:44. > :39:47.feeling angry and alienate it. Those feelings are justified. The Brexit

:39:48. > :39:52.debate has channelled them into the politics of division and hatred,

:39:53. > :39:54.both at home and risks giving momentum to far right and

:39:55. > :40:02.anti-European movements elsewhere across Europe. Bolieve campaigns,

:40:03. > :40:06.both of them, were Alty of far more explicitly cultivating this

:40:07. > :40:10.reaction. But even remain side in my opinion fell significantly to give a

:40:11. > :40:14.robust challenge to the notion that Eagle 's right to freedom movement

:40:15. > :40:17.is somehow a burden to stop in truth it is a principle of huge

:40:18. > :40:22.importance. And it is one which the Green Party will continue to defend.

:40:23. > :40:26.We will certainly be supporting the government motion tonight and I want

:40:27. > :40:29.to make it clear that we will continue to advocate for the clear

:40:30. > :40:34.mandate that has been given by the people of Scotland, as advocated

:40:35. > :40:37.also by many of our European colleagues in a number of different

:40:38. > :40:41.political parties. I would like to thank those in the European Green

:40:42. > :40:44.movement who have helped soften the language around an immediate

:40:45. > :40:48.triggering of Article 50, which will give no time for the serious

:40:49. > :40:51.consideration necessary or for the contribution that the Scottish

:40:52. > :40:55.Government is expected to make on all of our behalf, to the

:40:56. > :41:01.negotiation process. That process must be allowed time. All options as

:41:02. > :41:08.well must remain on the table for achieving that. This is clearly a

:41:09. > :41:12.unique situation that we are facing. Our path towards EU membership, if

:41:13. > :41:17.it takes place, will also be unique and paired with any other part of

:41:18. > :41:21.the EU membership that the country has taken and it may be that after

:41:22. > :41:25.exploring all options, far more people than voted yes in 2040 make

:41:26. > :41:34.include that independence is the only way to achieve it. -- in 2014.

:41:35. > :41:37.We have a contrast. The clear assertion of Scotland 's mandate

:41:38. > :41:42.with the utter chaos we see in the Leave camp and a fundamental

:41:43. > :41:47.dishonesty in their campaign. How many times will be told that the

:41:48. > :41:51.campaign was intended to "Take back control" stock take back control of

:41:52. > :41:55.borders, money, however spurious figures were about money, and now

:41:56. > :42:00.they are claiming that we can stay in a single market. There is no such

:42:01. > :42:03.thing as a single market, if you don't have free movement of labour.

:42:04. > :42:09.It is a fundamental aspect of the free market. It is also abundantly

:42:10. > :42:12.clear that accessed that the market, that single market will also include

:42:13. > :42:28.a financial contribution if it can even be negotiated.

:42:29. > :42:36.This is that is something that needs to be challenged. I have no surprise

:42:37. > :42:40.we ever heard of dishonesty, racism, from the likes of Boris Johnson,

:42:41. > :42:44.Ukip and the right-wing media. We cannot allow that kind of rhetoric

:42:45. > :42:49.or language to be part of the Scottish political landscape. I

:42:50. > :42:52.would like to remind the chamber something Ruth Davidson said when we

:42:53. > :42:57.were debating a different constitutional transition not so

:42:58. > :43:03.very long ago, she said those opposing transition must have the

:43:04. > :43:06.trust of the people to safeguard national security, the nation

:43:07. > :43:10.state's economic security, and safeguard the nation state's

:43:11. > :43:14.political security by establishing its place in the world through

:43:15. > :43:18.membership of international organisations such as the European

:43:19. > :43:24.Union. How is that going right now? The UK Government has demonstrated a

:43:25. > :43:33.historic failure on all three counts, across people of this

:43:34. > :43:40.country, Scotland and the wider United Kingdom. Ruth Davidson also

:43:41. > :43:46.argues the 2014 results must be respected, just as much as this

:43:47. > :43:53.year's referendum result. The 2014 result is fundamentally superseded.

:43:54. > :43:58.I would remind the chamber of a comment from the better together

:43:59. > :44:03.campaign, on the 2nd of September 2014, weeks before the referendum.

:44:04. > :44:11.What is the process for removing our AEEU citizenship? Voting yes. -- our

:44:12. > :44:15.AEEU citizenship? People voted on a false prospectus and promise that

:44:16. > :44:22.membership of the European Union would be protected in those

:44:23. > :44:26.circumstances, and it has not been. I have personally spoken to people,

:44:27. > :44:30.strangers and friends across the political spectrum. I even have

:44:31. > :44:38.friends who vote Tory, telling me they are ready to re-evaluate the no

:44:39. > :44:43.vote they cast in 2014, May one has the right to close down that four

:44:44. > :44:49.people in Scotland. Residing officer, the Greens will continue to

:44:50. > :44:53.respect the mandate of voters in Scotland, given so clearly. It must

:44:54. > :44:58.ensure that all options remain on the table, on that basis we will

:44:59. > :45:01.certainly support the actions the First Minister has set out in

:45:02. > :45:06.preparing the ground for a further independence referendum should it be

:45:07. > :45:09.necessary and be the will of the people of Scotland. We will support

:45:10. > :45:14.the right of the Scottish Government to enter into the negotiations,

:45:15. > :45:19.while respecting the need for them to return and secure a Parliamentary

:45:20. > :45:22.majority every step of the way. We will continue to express respect for

:45:23. > :45:26.the people who have moved to Scotland, contributed to our

:45:27. > :45:31.society, and continue to advocate, whatever solution that Scotland and

:45:32. > :45:36.the rest of the UK seek, free movement of people remains a

:45:37. > :45:40.fundamental principle. We will advocate for the human rights, the

:45:41. > :45:45.social protection, the quality, the strong environmental protection, the

:45:46. > :45:48.achievements hard-won which the European Union has helped to

:45:49. > :45:51.achieve, and which are directly under threat by the decision so

:45:52. > :46:07.recklessly taking a week ago. Thank you, presiding officer. I have

:46:08. > :46:13.lost elections, I took my loss in Dunfermline in 2010 very hard and

:46:14. > :46:21.very personally. No election defeat has made me feel like I felt in the

:46:22. > :46:26.early hours of last Friday. A deep sense of loss. Loss of part of my

:46:27. > :46:32.soul, and what I believe to be the sole of this country. Outward

:46:33. > :46:38.looking, compassionate, tolerant, open, generous. These are the

:46:39. > :46:45.attributes I associate with my country. A country that does not

:46:46. > :46:51.walk on the other side of the road. But that is exactly what our country

:46:52. > :46:55.did last Thursday. There are the practical benefits, too. Tackling

:46:56. > :47:01.crime with a European arrest warrant, that is gone. Cooperation

:47:02. > :47:07.on climate change, gone. Single market, gone. Improved social

:47:08. > :47:11.conditions gone. All of these and so many others just gone. We are

:47:12. > :47:19.already seeing the effect on the value of the pound, company shares,

:47:20. > :47:23.and credit ratings. I am angry that we have been recklessly led down

:47:24. > :47:29.this path. Angry that prices in shops will rise because of the

:47:30. > :47:36.higher cost of imports. That people's savings are falling in

:47:37. > :47:40.value. Job losses are on the cards. Yet it is not Boris Johnson who will

:47:41. > :47:51.suffer. Michael Gove may lose some money, he has stacks more to get by.

:47:52. > :47:54.Nigel Farage simply does not care. Ordinary people on low and modest

:47:55. > :48:01.incomes who will lose. These are the victims of this crisis. I hope David

:48:02. > :48:05.Cameron is feeling guilty. He should feel guilty for imposing the

:48:06. > :48:12.divisions of his party on the country. That responsibility applies

:48:13. > :48:20.to every single Conservative in this Parliament, including Ruth Davidson.

:48:21. > :48:25.The economic chaos means the Tories can never again claim to be the

:48:26. > :48:30.defenders of the economy. After the surge in the support for

:48:31. > :48:35.independence at the weekend, nor can the Tories claimed to be the

:48:36. > :48:39.defenders of the union. This economic and constitutional crisis.

:48:40. > :48:45.Ruth Davidson is not defending the union, she is undermining it. No

:48:46. > :48:53.Tory amendment can hide that roof. With every election loss, I have

:48:54. > :48:57.lived to fight another day. I am here today because I got off my

:48:58. > :49:02.knees to fight and win again. The United Kingdom's place in Europe

:49:03. > :49:07.will live to fight another day, and I are determined to fight for it. My

:49:08. > :49:11.party will contest the next general election on a clear platform of

:49:12. > :49:17.supporting the United Kingdom's place in Europe. 7000 new members

:49:18. > :49:23.have joined our party to campaign with us to win their case. I want

:49:24. > :49:27.Scotland in the United Kingdom, and the United Kingdom in Europe. That

:49:28. > :49:33.is the best possible option, I will not settle for anything less. We do

:49:34. > :49:40.need to understand however YY million people in Scotland voted to

:49:41. > :49:46.leave the European Union. -- Y 1 million people. It is of little

:49:47. > :49:54.surprise if you have a minimum wage job, zero hours contract, a house

:49:55. > :50:02.with damp, a car failing its MOT, you believe nothing is to lose. You

:50:03. > :50:09.may believe a Conservative Prime Minister that tells you the the

:50:10. > :50:15.status quo is good for you. The European Union did not supply those

:50:16. > :50:19.conditions, but they were an easy target. David Cameron and generally

:50:20. > :50:23.call them were unable to make a case for the European Union. The First

:50:24. > :50:27.Minister knows I oppose another independence referendum, I made that

:50:28. > :50:33.commitment during the election last month. Two-day's nation does not

:50:34. > :50:38.endorse independence, the First Minister has made that clear, and in

:50:39. > :50:43.additional words beyond her statement, it was provided to us

:50:44. > :50:48.fairly, she said that was emphatically say. I welcome that,

:50:49. > :50:52.that is a welcome remark. I welcome the First Minister reaching out to

:50:53. > :50:58.other parties to engage in the negotiation process. I immediately

:50:59. > :51:03.agreed on Friday to participate, as long as it was not a cunning plan to

:51:04. > :51:10.deliver independence. I want to explore options, whether it is

:51:11. > :51:15.bizarrely named reverse Greenland, working with London, Northern

:51:16. > :51:21.Ireland or Gibraltar. We need to fully understand before we move

:51:22. > :51:26.ahead, and rushing headlong into independence will undermine those

:51:27. > :51:31.efforts. There is so much we simply do not know. Making decisions we do

:51:32. > :51:39.not know should be one of the lessons from last week. In my

:51:40. > :51:45.constituency of North East Fife, I have many thriving businesses. They

:51:46. > :51:50.are thriving in part through the hard graft of workers from across

:51:51. > :51:57.the continent, as well as those closer to home. Working together in

:51:58. > :52:02.harmony. Fishes, laundry services, cattle producers, farmers, hotels,

:52:03. > :52:07.restaurants in St Andrews and beyond. They work hard, making those

:52:08. > :52:13.businesses successful. They have married, settle, paid taxes. They

:52:14. > :52:19.are one of us. They will never stop being one of us. I know many who

:52:20. > :52:27.will be offended by the decision last week. I want them to know that

:52:28. > :52:33.we're standing with them today. We are determined to recapture the soul

:52:34. > :52:37.of this country. Once again, so it is out the looking, compassionate,

:52:38. > :52:48.tolerant, open and generous. Thank you. -- so it is once again outward

:52:49. > :52:54.looking. Can I take members for not intervening on the opening statement

:52:55. > :53:00.stop point of order. Mr Findlay. The decision last Thursday had issued

:53:01. > :53:05.consequences for all our constituents and the country. By

:53:06. > :53:10.Friday this Parliament will have had a grand total of three hours and a

:53:11. > :53:15.limited number of speakers called to debate this issue. We will love hath

:53:16. > :53:20.no opportunity to question the First Minister of the government, for

:53:21. > :53:26.other parties to question leaders of my party and the other parties. Such

:53:27. > :53:31.is the importance of this, I think this is an issue for Parliament, not

:53:32. > :53:37.party political issues. We must be given more time for other people to

:53:38. > :53:44.engage in this debate, this is of huge consequence. That is not a

:53:45. > :53:49.point of order, a matter of consideration at the business bureau

:53:50. > :53:53.this morning. The business managers gave this a great deal of thought.

:53:54. > :53:57.Huge demand to speak and discuss the matter. To date is this the

:53:58. > :54:02.beginning, not the end of the matter. The opportunity to put

:54:03. > :54:06.questions to the First Minister on Thursday, in the meantime, two-day's

:54:07. > :54:10.debate gives many members a chance to contribute. We moved to the

:54:11. > :54:20.debate. June McAlpine. Thank you presiding officer. I'm

:54:21. > :54:25.sure many members from across the chamber will have been shocked as I

:54:26. > :54:32.was this morning, to hear Lord Forsyth, on the board of the League

:54:33. > :54:38.campaign bullishly telling BBC Radio Scotland that there was no need for

:54:39. > :54:43.a blueprint for Brexit, it was not for Leave to have a blueprint, it

:54:44. > :54:47.was for the government. It betrays the arrogance and recklessness of

:54:48. > :54:52.the Brexit campaign. It is almost that the UK Government, who called

:54:53. > :54:59.the referee did not have a blueprint. Our future would now rest

:55:00. > :55:02.in the hands of Oliver Letwin. The Parliamentary committee saw this

:55:03. > :55:06.coming, they have an enquiry into the consequences of Brexit,

:55:07. > :55:10.reporting early this year. Reading through the report is a common

:55:11. > :55:14.theme, the failure of the UK Government to provide answers, and

:55:15. > :55:19.the failure of the UK Government even to send the Minister to listen

:55:20. > :55:23.to the committee's concerns. Not just the committee's concerns, the

:55:24. > :55:29.concerns of the witnesses that came to that committee. Universities,

:55:30. > :55:34.businesses, agricultural sector. Asking what would replace the money

:55:35. > :55:41.that comes directly to Scotland from Brussels, if there was a Leave vote.

:55:42. > :55:47.It is worth recounting those sums. EU students at Scottish universities

:55:48. > :55:52.pump ?174 million into the Scottish economy every year. 88 million doses

:55:53. > :55:56.fund Scottish research and universities. Scottish farmers got a

:55:57. > :56:02.dungeon 24 million from the EU in 2014. The National Farmers' Union in

:56:03. > :56:10.Scotland says for every ?1 of EU payments to Scotland, that puts ?4

:56:11. > :56:16.million into the river and economy. European structural funds in

:56:17. > :56:23.Scotland from 2014, to 2020 is worth 929 million euros. Pain from

:56:24. > :56:28.everything from roads to rural communities. Supporting broadband,

:56:29. > :56:33.farm diversification. Money that comes Ju Reti from Europe as I said.

:56:34. > :56:37.Time and time again, the report from the last Europe committee pointed

:56:38. > :56:40.out it was not clear that the block grant would be adjusted to

:56:41. > :56:44.compensate for the loss of the funds. That is before you consider

:56:45. > :56:49.the losses incurred from losing access to the European market, or

:56:50. > :56:55.our loss of European citizenship. More fundamentally the kind of

:56:56. > :56:59.country we wish to live in. The kind of country that we want to live in,

:57:00. > :57:03.open, welcoming to people from across Europe and other countries,

:57:04. > :57:08.and quite the opposite of the terrible racism that others have

:57:09. > :57:14.mentioned we saw character rising the league campaign.

:57:15. > :57:31.While I do not speak as the new convener of the

:57:32. > :57:36.Parliament 's offer from the First Minister to meet the committee at

:57:37. > :57:40.the first opportunity. The government are now exploring how we

:57:41. > :57:47.can work with others, including that you keep and EU is -- UK and EU

:57:48. > :57:52.institutions to explore how Scotland can stay within the EU, even if

:57:53. > :57:56.other parts of the UK, notably England, leaves. Senior political

:57:57. > :58:02.figures in Europe have responded warmly. I was very pleased to hear

:58:03. > :58:08.some of the comments from the debate in the Irish Parliament yesterday,

:58:09. > :58:14.praising Scotland as an ancient European nation, one with its own

:58:15. > :58:20.jurisdiction and one that was a very strong member and supporter of the

:58:21. > :58:24.European ideal. I was pleased to hear Scotland 's farming Cabinet

:58:25. > :58:28.Secretary Fergus Ewing say that his EU counterparts yesterday had been

:58:29. > :58:32.very positive and sympathetic towards the predicament in which

:58:33. > :58:36.Scotland finds itself. It is not impossible that such a compromise

:58:37. > :58:42.could be reached. We have heard about the Denmark and Greenland

:58:43. > :58:46.situation in the past. And European leaders are pragmatic in

:58:47. > :58:51.circumstances when demanded, for example they rapidly absorbed East

:58:52. > :58:54.Germany into the community after the bell and wall fell and the committee

:58:55. > :59:00.of experts clearly had a vital role to play here, but we also need to be

:59:01. > :59:06.practical. It is also likely that such an arrangement may prove

:59:07. > :59:09.impossible to negotiate. And I noted that Sir David Edwards, who is going

:59:10. > :59:14.to be a member of the standing committee, had expressed scepticism

:59:15. > :59:17.about achieving this compromise. I know that he's linked to be a

:59:18. > :59:21.witness to the committee on Thursday. I very look forward to

:59:22. > :59:27.hearing what he has to say. I am concerned about the chances of

:59:28. > :59:29.negotiating a compromise because much of it will require the

:59:30. > :59:32.cooperation of a Westminster government which may soon be in the

:59:33. > :59:44.grip of leadership even more right-wing than those that we

:59:45. > :59:49.currently in Dewar. -- endure. Once the UK triggers the Brexit process

:59:50. > :59:54.through section 50, it has just two years to do a deal, and unless the

:59:55. > :59:58.Council of Europe agrees to extend the time which appears on likely

:59:59. > :00:02.given recent statements coming out of the EU, then a guillotine will

:00:03. > :00:06.fall under section 50 and the UK will be cut off with whatever deal

:00:07. > :00:12.the EU decides to give it, and we cannot have Scotland similarly

:00:13. > :00:19.marooned. If independence is then the only option remaining then we

:00:20. > :00:23.have to have that independence referendum before the guillotine

:00:24. > :00:27.falls, because if we vote yes, if we have a referendum after, after the

:00:28. > :00:33.guillotine falls, and we vote yes, we would then have to renegotiate

:00:34. > :00:37.our entry into the youth outside, which I am sure is something that

:00:38. > :00:41.nobody wants. It is something that Kirsty Hughes, who is also going to

:00:42. > :00:45.be a witness at the committee on Thursday, who is a member of friends

:00:46. > :00:49.of Europe and the distinguished academic, subject, has written

:00:50. > :00:54.extensively on. I look forward to hearing what she has to say. This is

:00:55. > :00:59.not a headlong rush towards independence as Willie Rennie

:01:00. > :01:02.suggested. It is a contingency measure in Scotland 's best

:01:03. > :01:06.interests to put this legislation in place. It is an important

:01:07. > :01:13.contingency measure. The priority now is to Act in the best interest

:01:14. > :01:16.of all of the people of Scotland whatever their views on

:01:17. > :01:21.independence, and I, for one, very much will back the support of other

:01:22. > :01:25.countries across this Chamber -- parties across this Chamber because

:01:26. > :01:30.it is important that we Act, as one, if all the people of Scotland, and

:01:31. > :01:34.we will also always be led by the people of Scotland and their

:01:35. > :01:39.interests, first and foremost. Adam Tomkins to be followed by Richard

:01:40. > :01:44.Lockett. I said in my maiden speech in this Parliament, I wanted the

:01:45. > :01:48.United Kingdom to remain in the EU. And like all members on these

:01:49. > :01:51.benches to say that I am disappointed in last week 's result

:01:52. > :01:57.is something of an understatement. My real reaction to the result could

:01:58. > :02:03.not be translated into Parliamentary language. I have seen nothing since

:02:04. > :02:06.Friday to make me think that I was wrong and I believe is the best

:02:07. > :02:10.outcome for the public interest. In these remarks, I want to look to the

:02:11. > :02:17.future, not hark back on a campaign lost. The people of the UK voted to

:02:18. > :02:22.leave the EU. That much is clear. But only that much. Exactly what

:02:23. > :02:28.leaving the EU now means is anything but clear. And there is not merely

:02:29. > :02:32.an opportunity but an obligation for all of us to begin to flesh out

:02:33. > :02:38.whether we wanted this outcome or not, what we think leave should now

:02:39. > :02:42.mean. We're going to be entering into long negotiations with European

:02:43. > :02:47.partners. And the first task is to identify exactly what it is that we

:02:48. > :02:50.will be negotiating to achieve. The First Minister has said she wants to

:02:51. > :02:57.preserve Scotland 's position in the European Union. Fine. But quite what

:02:58. > :03:00.this means is also unclear. Scotland, of course, is not and

:03:01. > :03:04.never has been one of the U member states, and about in Scotland last

:03:05. > :03:08.week was to seek to preserve the UK 's status as a member state, not to

:03:09. > :03:12.insist that Scotland becomes a new member state. The First Minister has

:03:13. > :03:18.said she will appoint an expert advisory panel to look at what she

:03:19. > :03:23.has described as all the options and by what Magnus and offer to assist

:03:24. > :03:28.in any way that I can. So, what should leave mean? And what are the

:03:29. > :03:33.options for Scotland? To my mind, leave should mean that we retain

:03:34. > :03:37.full access to the EU 's single market. As I understand it, even

:03:38. > :03:41.those small numbers of MSPs who advocated the leave vote are of the

:03:42. > :03:45.view that we should maintain Aspel and access to the singer market as

:03:46. > :03:49.possible. We may be, as has been remarked several since -- several

:03:50. > :03:53.times since Friday, in uncharted territory. But there are still some

:03:54. > :03:57.things we do know. Leaving the EU political institutions does not mean

:03:58. > :04:01.that we have to leave its single market, because there are several

:04:02. > :04:04.countries including Norway, a place that the SNP often likes to talk

:04:05. > :04:07.about, who have just such an arrangement. What are the options

:04:08. > :04:14.for Scotland was Akroum again, they are many. And our obligation now is

:04:15. > :04:19.to put some flesh on the bones. Let me give an example. At the moment it

:04:20. > :04:22.is out with the legislative competence of this Parliament to

:04:23. > :04:27.enact law that is incompatible with EU law. We, as a Parliament could

:04:28. > :04:32.perfectly easily maintained that rule after the UK ceases to be an EU

:04:33. > :04:34.member state. We could pass an Act providing that all Scottish

:04:35. > :04:41.legislation is to be read and given effect subject to EU law and we

:04:42. > :04:44.could confirm in the Court of Session the jurisdiction to quash

:04:45. > :04:48.any legislation that is incompatible with European law. All of this is

:04:49. > :04:53.perfectly possible within our current legislative competence.

:04:54. > :04:57.Presiding Officer, I make no pretence that the last two days have

:04:58. > :05:01.been easy. We have lost a Prime Minister. There is volatility in the

:05:02. > :05:06.markets and we face the prospect of difficult and protracted

:05:07. > :05:09.negotiations. But one positive note struck in the past few days is the

:05:10. > :05:12.point strongly made by the Prime Minister that in those negotiations,

:05:13. > :05:16.the Scottish Government should play a leading role along with the

:05:17. > :05:21.devolved administrations in Northern Ireland and Wales. As the Prime

:05:22. > :05:27.Minister said, it is important, vital, that the interests of all

:05:28. > :05:34.parts of the UK are representative effectively and properly in those

:05:35. > :05:37.negotiations. Of those advocating Scottish independence at their

:05:38. > :05:40.referendum in 2014, First Minister Alex Salmond said he would put

:05:41. > :05:44.together an all-party team from Scotland to negotiate on behalf of

:05:45. > :05:49.the nation. Likewise, now, the UK Government will put together an

:05:50. > :05:51.inclusive team negotiate on behalf of all the nations, England,

:05:52. > :06:03.Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. This is as it should be.

:06:04. > :06:10.... Now people want to see their politicians working together in the

:06:11. > :06:21.best interests of the country. This is not where we wanted to be. Mike

:06:22. > :06:24.rumbles. There is not a member in this Parliament more pro-UK than

:06:25. > :06:30.myself. Would you not agree that when the First Minister said about

:06:31. > :06:36.for this motion is not a vote for a referendum on independence, that we

:06:37. > :06:40.should work together across the Chamber, we should all work together

:06:41. > :06:47.and support the motion put forward by the government. I think we should

:06:48. > :06:51.work together to help the United Kingdom negotiate what it means by

:06:52. > :06:54.leave and to maintain and safeguard the interests of Scotland. I have

:06:55. > :07:01.made that her thickly clear. What Scots now want to see -- perfectly

:07:02. > :07:03.clear. Scots want to see politicians working together in the best

:07:04. > :07:08.interests of this country. This is not where we wanted to be. This is

:07:09. > :07:14.where we are. So let's try and make the best of it, together. Thank you.

:07:15. > :07:25.APPLAUSE I call Richard Lockett to be

:07:26. > :07:28.followed by Anas Sarwar. I spent the weekend attending constituency

:07:29. > :07:33.events. Thousands of people attended those and everyone wants to talk

:07:34. > :07:36.about the referendum. People go from those who voted remain and who voted

:07:37. > :07:40.for leave as well, and they are now extremely anxious about the future

:07:41. > :07:44.and their children's future and the future of Scotland. I have been

:07:45. > :07:52.inundated with e-mails and letters over the last few days. A lady said

:07:53. > :07:56.I have two daughters aged two and four, what kind of country are they

:07:57. > :08:01.going to grow up in? I am truly fearful for the future. The one

:08:02. > :08:04.thing everyone had in common was that they are keen for all

:08:05. > :08:09.politicians in this Parliament in Scotland to show leadership in these

:08:10. > :08:12.difficult times, especially given the vacuum at UK level that we are

:08:13. > :08:18.witnessing. That is why the debate today is so important. We must deal

:08:19. > :08:23.with what may turn out to be the biggest event so far in our

:08:24. > :08:26.lifetimes and post-war Europe. There have been other seminal events since

:08:27. > :08:31.post-war, the fall of the Berlin Wall which was about solidarity,

:08:32. > :08:36.when Eastern European countries joined the Andrea Burk them with

:08:37. > :08:41.open arms. The UK has now chosen isolation over Corporation and

:08:42. > :08:44.damaged European unity. It is noted that the referendum result has been

:08:45. > :08:48.welcomed by some of the most extremist voices across Europe.

:08:49. > :08:53.People hoping to put forward extremist agendas based on

:08:54. > :08:58.scapegoating minorities and others to blame for Europe 's current woes.

:08:59. > :09:01.We must hope that the UK decision does not lead to a domino effect as

:09:02. > :09:08.reverberations of Brexit are felt across the whole of Europe. By

:09:09. > :09:13.working together in this Parliament civic Scotland, to secure our nation

:09:14. > :09:18.'s place in Europe we can send out a message of hope and optimism to its

:09:19. > :09:22.peoples. A message that says Scotland once an outward looking,

:09:23. > :09:26.modern, European country where we embrace rather than reject

:09:27. > :09:30.differences, and we are not going to run away from Europe 's tough

:09:31. > :09:33.challenges. I would urge all parties in this Chamber to focus on the

:09:34. > :09:37.outcome that we all profess to want, which is to stay in Europe, in line

:09:38. > :09:42.with the democratic wishes expressed by the people last Thursday. And

:09:43. > :09:46.yes, we need time to consider all the options and consider the views

:09:47. > :09:51.of all parties, and I hear suggestions that we can remain part

:09:52. > :09:55.of the UK which is out of Europe last week and other parts of the UK

:09:56. > :09:59.remain in the EU, and I am looking forward to hearing the details of

:10:00. > :10:06.how that could work in practice and not lead to political and democratic

:10:07. > :10:09.messiness of blank cheques for constitutional and commercial

:10:10. > :10:12.lawyers for the rest of time. But the Parliament must be careful to

:10:13. > :10:17.listen to all views, in Parliament and out Parliament. The Minister is

:10:18. > :10:21.absolutely correct to say that a second independence referendum must

:10:22. > :10:24.be on the table. Many people who voted no in 2014 are now seeing,

:10:25. > :10:28.enough is enough to stop the reference point in the independence

:10:29. > :10:32.that they'd have been radically altered. Many no voters are saying

:10:33. > :10:36.that if it was a choice between remaining in an isolated UK out of

:10:37. > :10:41.Europe whilst we've voted to remain -- wasabi voted remain, or to be

:10:42. > :10:44.governed by Conservatives did not vote for either, then we will vote

:10:45. > :10:53.differently next time, and they deserve a voice. Could you perhaps

:10:54. > :10:57.explain why, if this motion which you are supporting and debating

:10:58. > :11:02.today, you are now the second back and chest in the Speaker and two out

:11:03. > :11:06.of two have moved on to independence and a second referendum. That is

:11:07. > :11:12.where the concern is from these benches when a large majority in

:11:13. > :11:16.your constituency are not supporting this motion. It would be couple of

:11:17. > :11:20.the Conservatives rallied round with one party in this Gibran put the

:11:21. > :11:24.Scottish interest first and not the UK.

:11:25. > :11:29.APPLAUSE In doing so, can I say that we

:11:30. > :11:33.cannot ignore the 30% of Scots who voted to leave but many had genuine

:11:34. > :11:38.concerns that need to be addressed. Europe is evolving and we need a

:11:39. > :11:43.vision of the kind of Europe we want Scotland to be part of. If we

:11:44. > :11:45.support a reform agenda we have to say what that is and we have to

:11:46. > :11:53.articulate it. The next two years will be momentous

:11:54. > :11:58.and decide the long-term for you chuck of Scotland. There are other

:11:59. > :12:02.steps we can now take to protect the interests of Scotland. Between now

:12:03. > :12:07.and Brexit many decisions are going to be taken in the EU that will

:12:08. > :12:11.impact our economy and communities. In this new environment I do not

:12:12. > :12:15.believe the UK is able to look after the interest of Scotland sub it is

:12:16. > :12:20.important that Scotland should formally request that our ministers

:12:21. > :12:26.from this government lead the UK delegations to those formal and

:12:27. > :12:29.informal councils of ministers meetings that will take place in

:12:30. > :12:33.Brussels and Luxembourg in the next two years where the genders are of

:12:34. > :12:39.relevance to the national interest of this country. Whether it is

:12:40. > :12:42.negotiating fish quotas or environmental policy relationships

:12:43. > :12:45.matter and attitude matters and commitment matters and goodwill on

:12:46. > :12:49.both sides of the table is absolutely essential. Negotiators

:12:50. > :12:54.want to know you will be serious and in it for the long term but we are

:12:55. > :13:00.now in the situation where the UK is walking away. There is no incentive

:13:01. > :13:05.on either side to bank negotiating capital for the future, but we do

:13:06. > :13:07.know there is goodwill towards Scotland and Europe, goodwill from

:13:08. > :13:15.member states and institutions, as we saw today in response to the

:13:16. > :13:19.speech from Allan Smith today. Scotland wants to participate and

:13:20. > :13:23.act in the long-term interest of our own priorities and Europe. Between

:13:24. > :13:28.now and Brexit Scottish ministers should be given the opportunity to

:13:29. > :13:32.lead for Europe in the UK. Finally before I close it would be an idea

:13:33. > :13:42.for the EU to postpone the UK presidency slot in 2017 that will be

:13:43. > :13:47.unable to beef fulfilled and that should be left open in case Scotland

:13:48. > :13:52.become a member state. That position should also be offered to Scotland

:13:53. > :13:56.or indeed Northern Ireland. Everyone please support this motion today

:13:57. > :14:02.that is unprecedented in anxious times. All parties should put

:14:03. > :14:05.Scotland's national interests before their own on this very special

:14:06. > :14:17.occasion and during these difficult and anxious times for Scotland. I

:14:18. > :14:22.voted remain on Thursday because I believed it was in the best interest

:14:23. > :14:26.of Scotland in the UK to do so. I felt a huge sadness to see the

:14:27. > :14:31.results as they came in and the biggest reason was that we have lost

:14:32. > :14:35.the opportunity to stop talking about constitutional politics and

:14:36. > :14:40.instead focus on the matters of issues right here and right now.

:14:41. > :14:45.Many of them are issues of life and death. Today's debate comes as new

:14:46. > :14:49.figures show that the expected standard on cancer treatment has now

:14:50. > :14:55.not been met for over three years. Let us not underestimate what

:14:56. > :14:58.happened on Thursday. This is a seismic event for the UK and the EU.

:14:59. > :15:05.There are millions of people across the United Kingdom who are deeply

:15:06. > :15:09.disappointed with the result in anxious about the consequences.

:15:10. > :15:13.Consequences dominated by the reaction and volatility in the

:15:14. > :15:20.markets. Let's be clear what the markets means. It is people's jobs,

:15:21. > :15:25.wages, mortgages and pensions. Our immediate priority must be to

:15:26. > :15:29.encourage calm heads and to protect individuals and businesses who may

:15:30. > :15:33.be affected by the volatility. This is not the time to think about

:15:34. > :15:39.short-term political interests, because what facing as a nation is

:15:40. > :15:43.much bigger than that. There is no doubt that the United Kingdom is at

:15:44. > :15:48.the start of an economic crisis overlaid by a constitutional crisis.

:15:49. > :15:55.That is why Scotland must play a full part in the process going

:15:56. > :15:59.forward. Indeed I believe the First Minister has a duty to engage in all

:16:00. > :16:05.talks and negotiations because rightly all options should remain

:16:06. > :16:09.open. That is why there must be a formal structure that allows all of

:16:10. > :16:12.the talents and peoples of the nations and regions, including

:16:13. > :16:16.Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and London, to be an equal part of

:16:17. > :16:24.the negotiation process so we can get the best deal possible for all

:16:25. > :16:30.parts of the United Kingdom. This structure should also have a remit

:16:31. > :16:35.to discuss and decide with significant powers being repatriated

:16:36. > :16:39.to the UK, where they should reside, it includes significant powers on

:16:40. > :16:43.fishing and farming that are crucial to the Scottish economy. I believe

:16:44. > :16:46.it is premature to talk about the timing of any future independence

:16:47. > :16:51.referendum, especially as we don't yet even know what the terms of the

:16:52. > :16:55.UK leaving the EU will be, or, indeed, what the terms of Scotland

:16:56. > :17:04.leaving the UK to join the EU would be, if that is even the case. The

:17:05. > :17:07.market volatility that we have seen in the last few days shows that

:17:08. > :17:10.asking people to make a decision without fully considering the

:17:11. > :17:15.consequences have implications that are dangerous for jobs, wages,

:17:16. > :17:19.mortgages and pensions. I welcome the tone that the First Minister has

:17:20. > :17:24.adopted since Thursday. She is right to say that we are in uncharted

:17:25. > :17:28.territory and I hope that that is a tone that continues in the weeks and

:17:29. > :17:32.months ahead. The First Minister is right to ask questions about the

:17:33. > :17:36.impact on the single market, on free movement, our currency and our

:17:37. > :17:41.international relationships going forward. We do need clarity on what

:17:42. > :17:45.the new arrangements will mean for the ?11.6 billion of trade that

:17:46. > :17:51.Scotland does with the EU, but we will also need clarity on what any

:17:52. > :17:55.new arrangements would mean for the ?48.5 billion of trade Scotland does

:17:56. > :17:59.with the rest of the United Kingdom. The First Minister is right that we

:18:00. > :18:04.need to see what the new arrangements will need for the tens

:18:05. > :18:09.of thousands of EU nationals living, studying and working in Scotland,

:18:10. > :18:12.and for the 135,000 Scots working in Europe, but we will also need

:18:13. > :18:18.clarity on what any new arrangements would mean further more than 500,000

:18:19. > :18:22.Scots living, working and studying in other parts of the United

:18:23. > :18:26.Kingdom. There are many unanswered questions. What would be the details

:18:27. > :18:31.of any deals for Scotland? What terms with the UK sector with the

:18:32. > :18:35.EU? What will be the status of the new relationship? How much access to

:18:36. > :18:39.EU markets will we retain or lose? Will the people of Scotland have

:18:40. > :18:43.their opportunity to have a say on any we negotiated terms on

:18:44. > :18:50.membership and crucially what guarantees would we have before any

:18:51. > :18:53.proposed vote on independence? The First Minister always makes the

:18:54. > :18:58.point that the UK is not the same now as it was in 2014, but I put it

:18:59. > :19:02.to this parliament that the EU may not be the same in two years as it

:19:03. > :19:08.is now. Let us not have some romantic view of the politics on

:19:09. > :19:13.mainland Europe. I bitterly oppose the right-wing politics of Boris

:19:14. > :19:18.Johnson and Michael Gove, but be in no doubt, they are made to look like

:19:19. > :19:22.moderates compared to Marie Le Pen of the French National party who

:19:23. > :19:28.could be president next year, or the rise of the far right party in

:19:29. > :19:36.Germany and Perdido Hooper are -- plan violent processes across

:19:37. > :19:41.Europe. The Slovakian Prime Minister said, multiculturalism is fix, is

:19:42. > :19:46.lamp as no place in Slovakia. This man may take over the rotating

:19:47. > :19:51.presidency in the coming weeks. There are many other mainstream and

:19:52. > :19:55.populist parties amongst them, climate change deniers comic

:19:56. > :20:00.anti-Semites and Islamophobe 's. Since Thursday we have seen an

:20:01. > :20:05.increase in hate crimes. In Glasgow neo-Nazi stickers have gone up,

:20:06. > :20:10.claiming white zones. We should send a strong message to all minorities

:20:11. > :20:15.that are here, that this is your home, and we stand with you in peace

:20:16. > :20:20.and unity and to the spreaders of hate we say it directly, it is not

:20:21. > :20:25.our minorities that are not welcome here, but you and your hateful views

:20:26. > :20:29.that are not welcome in Scotland and the United Kingdom. So, to conclude,

:20:30. > :20:34.there is much uncertainty over the coming months. We do not know what

:20:35. > :20:37.the negotiations will throw up so when the First Minister says that

:20:38. > :20:42.everything is on the table I really hope that she means it. We need to

:20:43. > :20:52.wait and see what the outcomes are of the negotiations, so we can make

:20:53. > :20:55.clear and reasoned decisions. That is why we need to have cool heads,

:20:56. > :21:00.to ensure we make decisions not with anger but with reason. Members are

:21:01. > :21:09.starting to allow their speeches to drift over time so could I ask you

:21:10. > :21:13.to have the about that. We face in Brexit something I thought we would

:21:14. > :21:18.never have 2-Face. Only a few weeks ago I said that the leave campaign

:21:19. > :21:21.seemed to have taken leave of their senses, threatening systematic cuts

:21:22. > :21:25.to the Scotland Budget and a reversal of the gains of definition

:21:26. > :21:32.in the event of that breaks and now we're hearing those calls. This sort

:21:33. > :21:37.of rhetoric from a key vote leave spokesman has shown that campaign in

:21:38. > :21:41.its true colours, hostile to the Scottish parliament, the consensus

:21:42. > :21:44.on this place in Holyrood and our voters, who voted overwhelmingly in

:21:45. > :21:48.favour of remaining within the European Union. We also hear that

:21:49. > :21:52.Theresa May, a potential candidate to be Prime Minister of this United

:21:53. > :21:56.Kingdom, we hear her say that we need to get out of the European

:21:57. > :22:02.Convention of human rights and it is to those rights that I will

:22:03. > :22:07.concentrate on today. Robert Burns wrote a while your's eyes are fixed

:22:08. > :22:16.on mighty things, them empires and fall of Kings... Amid this mighty

:22:17. > :22:21.fuss just let me mention the rights of women merit some attention. That

:22:22. > :22:24.poem was written about the time of the French Revolution with Europe in

:22:25. > :22:29.turmoil and war just around the corner at every turn. As that

:22:30. > :22:38.continued and popular reform societies abdicated Parliamentary

:22:39. > :22:42.reform there was the fear of the spread of revolutionary ideology on

:22:43. > :22:46.our home territory. How familiar that is today. In 1793 radical was

:22:47. > :22:54.arrested and transported and two said later we do not, we cannot

:22:55. > :23:00.consider ourselves as mode and melted down into another country.

:23:01. > :23:07.Have we not distinct courts, judges, juries, laws. Absolutely. He had

:23:08. > :23:15.been the architect of a new reform Society in Scotland and opted to

:23:16. > :23:23.reform club is unlimited to social class, that wasn't the case

:23:24. > :23:30.elsewhere. That brings us to what lies at the heart of this current EU

:23:31. > :23:34.debate, nationhood, citizen Hood, this is sovereignty and the rights

:23:35. > :23:39.of every man and woman. The fates of empires. Governments ignoring the

:23:40. > :23:45.will of people will face the dire consequences of it. We do not seek

:23:46. > :23:54.resolution or revolution, as described, we seek enlightenment,

:23:55. > :23:59.sisterhood. When Thomas Paine was lauded for his rights of mine, the

:24:00. > :24:04.rights we cherish so much not to be toyed with by any government. I am a

:24:05. > :24:07.is true supporter of the European Convention on human rights Apple

:24:08. > :24:11.fight for it every step of the way and I believe that we can reform the

:24:12. > :24:16.European Union and we know that because we have done it before.

:24:17. > :24:20.Professor Neil McCormick was an architect of -- architect of that

:24:21. > :24:23.reform of the almost pushed Europe to a constitution enshrining our

:24:24. > :24:28.fundamental rights. There we are, back to those rights that are so

:24:29. > :24:32.important. His work pushed forward that agenda towards the Lisbon

:24:33. > :24:36.Treaty and without his early work we would not have that treaty so

:24:37. > :24:41.another Scotsman who took up the cause, protecting and extending our

:24:42. > :24:45.fundamental human rights as EU citizens. Article 18 of the Treaty

:24:46. > :24:50.on the function of the European Union provides that no citizen shall

:24:51. > :24:53.be discriminated against on the basis of nationality. The citizens

:24:54. > :25:00.of member states also have employment rights that derive from

:25:01. > :25:04.EU registration and -- legislation and EU treaties have enshrined

:25:05. > :25:09.principals promoting non-discrimination on areas of sex,

:25:10. > :25:14.race and ethnic origin, religion or belief, disability, age or sexual

:25:15. > :25:18.orientation. As a result the EU has developed comprehensive legislation

:25:19. > :25:23.in the area of non-discrimination and equality. It began with sex

:25:24. > :25:34.discrimination in employment and has been extended. The people of

:25:35. > :25:38.Scotland through due democratic process reaffirmed its belief in and

:25:39. > :25:42.support of that European Union and I think it only right that this

:25:43. > :25:46.government be supported by our Parliament to realise the demands

:25:47. > :25:54.placed on it by us, the people and our voters. Stated articles are open

:25:55. > :25:59.to European states that respect common values such as human dignity,

:26:00. > :26:07.freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human

:26:08. > :26:14.rights and member states also declare that these things prevail in

:26:15. > :26:24.their societies. These are things I am happy to pin my name to. There

:26:25. > :26:28.are names that every Scottish man and woman ought to know. If you are

:26:29. > :26:33.called for jury service, when your name is drawn by Lott and you vote

:26:34. > :26:36.in an election and you freely voice your thought, don't take these

:26:37. > :26:41.things for granted because dearly they were fought. It is with these

:26:42. > :26:45.rights in mind that I support this motion by our government today and I

:26:46. > :26:50.ask them to devote themselves to the cause of the people. It is a good

:26:51. > :26:51.cause and it shall ultimately prevail and it shall finally

:26:52. > :27:06.triumph. Oliver on Delta be followed by

:27:07. > :27:13.Jackie Baillie. -- Oliver Mondale to be followed by. It is easy to think

:27:14. > :27:20.that this tells a single story, it does not. It tells 33,000,500

:27:21. > :27:26.individual stories with people of all backgrounds from all corners of

:27:27. > :27:29.our United Kingdom and from different political persuasions

:27:30. > :27:36.coming together in the largest exercise in democracy are islands

:27:37. > :27:39.have ever seen. People voted lead, and they voted remain, for a

:27:40. > :27:43.multitude of different reasons. And rightly so. This was a complicated

:27:44. > :27:53.decision with many competing and in some cases mutually incompatible

:27:54. > :27:56.outcomes. It is context we must now look at the overall result in

:27:57. > :28:00.Scotland which is just one dimensional flat. Rather than jump

:28:01. > :28:05.to hasty conclusions as the First Minister has done, we must take time

:28:06. > :28:08.to digestive backpack and reflect on what this result means for people

:28:09. > :28:15.here in Scotland and elsewhere across our United Kingdom. In the

:28:16. > :28:20.long run, people will not look kindly on political posturing or

:28:21. > :28:24.idle speculation. And now more than ever we have a responsibility to

:28:25. > :28:29.pull together and knuckle down to the task in hand. I have no time and

:28:30. > :28:34.we are keeping strictly to time. It is in that spirit I would ask all

:28:35. > :28:35.those who voted to remain to find themselves questioning the

:28:36. > :28:41.democratic process, to reflect on the fact that 19,005 and meeting

:28:42. > :28:48.people in my own dump the ship constituency voted to leave the

:28:49. > :28:52.European Union. -- my dump Fischer constituency, a higher number than

:28:53. > :28:58.voted for me as their MSP. Across Scotland, over 1 million voters put

:28:59. > :29:02.the cross next to leave, a larger number than to put their cross next

:29:03. > :29:07.to Nicola Sturgeon for First Minister, and just short of the

:29:08. > :29:10.total number who voted for the SNP in the constituency ballot. Whilst

:29:11. > :29:15.this is far short of a majority of Scots, it was by no means small or

:29:16. > :29:19.insignificant number of people and, of course, whilst the result was

:29:20. > :29:25.decisive in Scotland- wide context, we must recognise there were

:29:26. > :29:34.significant variation within Scotland with 49.9% voting leave in

:29:35. > :29:38.Moray compared to 25% in Edinburgh. I know that that might seem of

:29:39. > :29:42.little consequence to the many who feel angry, as if their boys was not

:29:43. > :29:47.hurt, but it is important to remember that the viewer a of the

:29:48. > :29:50.majority is seldom universal in a democracy, no matter how you choose

:29:51. > :29:55.to look at the numbers and whilst I understand that it First Minister

:29:56. > :29:58.and for that matter many decent and fair minded people did not agree

:29:59. > :30:04.with the result, it remains the UK- wide result and we must all respect

:30:05. > :30:08.that outcome. Just as those across the rest of the United Kingdom

:30:09. > :30:14.accepted the possibility at the start of the campaign that Scotland

:30:15. > :30:17.might have helped together deliver a remain result. Now is not the time

:30:18. > :30:21.to rake over the campaign or dwell on the result because we are where

:30:22. > :30:26.we are. Instead, we owe it to people to start considering where we go

:30:27. > :30:30.next. The truth is, this debate is not about the result. Nor, sadly,

:30:31. > :30:36.does it even seemed to be about what is best for the people of Scotland.

:30:37. > :30:41.Instead, it is again forced many SNP about one thing and one thing only,

:30:42. > :30:44.independence. Since by the morning we have seen once and for all that

:30:45. > :30:50.behind the seemingly good intentions lies a deliberate malice. If they

:30:51. > :30:54.were serious about building consensus and negotiating in good

:30:55. > :31:02.faith then they would have taken a second referendum of the table. And

:31:03. > :31:06.all we have seen is what started as a statesman-like approach rapidly

:31:07. > :31:09.descend into self interest. And whilst I acknowledge that events

:31:10. > :31:16.have been moving very quickly, the First Minister has fast become like

:31:17. > :31:22.a runaway train, defaulting back to her all-too-familiar mantra of

:31:23. > :31:27.independence at any cost. And while others have taken steps to steady

:31:28. > :31:30.the ship with leading Leave campaigners supporting Adelaide to

:31:31. > :31:36.the article that the process, allowing time for the best approach

:31:37. > :31:41.and a consensus to be reached, the First Minister has sought to amplify

:31:42. > :31:45.division. In doing so, she not only does a disservice to leave voters

:31:46. > :31:48.like me, but far more disgracefully, the First Minister is letting down

:31:49. > :31:52.those who voted to remain by potentially undermining what could

:31:53. > :31:55.yet prove to be a better deal for access to the single market for

:31:56. > :32:00.Scotland than could hope for as an independent nation. For a start,

:32:01. > :32:05.that would be one that allowed us to use the pound rather than the euro.

:32:06. > :32:07.The truth is, this debate is a red herring and India motion that

:32:08. > :32:11.followed the result it is easy to overlook the fact that Nicola

:32:12. > :32:15.Sturgeon wanted independence no matter what, that before this

:32:16. > :32:20.campaign started she abandoned her once-in-a-lifetime pledge almost as

:32:21. > :32:24.quickly as it left her lips. That is why, in or out of Europe, we must

:32:25. > :32:28.never allow ourselves to forget that the SNP exist for one purpose and

:32:29. > :32:35.one purpose only, to break up our United Kingdom. For me, like many

:32:36. > :32:40.fellow Scots, in good times and in bad, it is always that primary union

:32:41. > :32:44.between are family of nations that will come first. Even in adversity,

:32:45. > :32:48.and even ended his appointment and anger that many feel, there is a

:32:49. > :32:54.greater good, something far more important to our future prosperity

:32:55. > :32:59.than our European Union membership, and now it is time to fight for

:33:00. > :33:07.that, and to work together in good faith to secure the best deal for

:33:08. > :33:12.Scotland. Thank you. Jackie Baillie to be followed by Michael Russell.

:33:13. > :33:15.Like many in this Chamber and across the country I was but a leaders

:33:16. > :33:19.appointed that the result of the European Union referendum. It felt

:33:20. > :33:25.akin to a bereavement when the results were being declared across

:33:26. > :33:28.the country. I am greatly in respect of democracy, but I was horrified to

:33:29. > :33:35.see Nigel Farage celebrating his result on Friday morning. This man

:33:36. > :33:40.was the face of Britain that was reflected to the world. And I reject

:33:41. > :33:44.everything he stands for, and he certainly does not speak for me.

:33:45. > :33:50.What is clear is that David Cameron gambled with our future. He couldn't

:33:51. > :33:55.control the Eurosceptics in the Tory Party, so he gambled on a referendum

:33:56. > :34:03.and he lost, but we are all the losers for that. He will shortly be

:34:04. > :34:06.out of office. We will, in time, potentially be out of the European

:34:07. > :34:12.Union, and the price for the country in Scotland and across the UK may

:34:13. > :34:14.well be very high indeed. People tell me that this was an

:34:15. > :34:19.antiestablishment vote. And that is maybe so. And we need to understand

:34:20. > :34:24.the reasons why people voted in the way they did. But let's not pretend

:34:25. > :34:30.that Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are anything but the

:34:31. > :34:37.establishment. They went into this referendum not expecting victory.

:34:38. > :34:42.Without a plan for what they would do, leaving the country in

:34:43. > :34:48.continuing uncertainty. And I bore the approach of the Leave campaign,

:34:49. > :34:52.cynically in what they said and had promised to increase funding to the

:34:53. > :34:59.NHS, which they denied within indeed less than 12 hours of the close of

:35:00. > :35:02.walls. I agree wholeheartedly with the First Minister 's sentiment and

:35:03. > :35:07.that of others, that people from Europe and across the world are

:35:08. > :35:12.welcome in Scotland. But I am disappointed by the result. And

:35:13. > :35:16.angry by the nature of the campaign. But there is a need now for

:35:17. > :35:20.stability and cool heads. Our responsibility is to assess the

:35:21. > :35:24.impact and take action where it is right to do so. And, in addition to

:35:25. > :35:29.the representation is being made across Europe, I believe our

:35:30. > :35:33.immediate priority as well must be action to protect the economy and

:35:34. > :35:37.jobs. I would be pleased to hear what the Scottish Government will do

:35:38. > :35:43.in that regard, in tandem with the representations they are making

:35:44. > :35:45.elsewhere. Before Brexit became a reality, the Fraser of Alhadur

:35:46. > :35:50.Institute said we were flirting with a recession in Scotland. Growth was

:35:51. > :35:53.slowing, we underperformed relative to the UK, and we were facing

:35:54. > :36:00.stagnation in the economy. I regret that that prospect, with many

:36:01. > :36:05.economists think it is more likely now across Scotland and the UK. We

:36:06. > :36:07.have seen a sharp decline in the stock market wiping billions from

:36:08. > :36:13.share prices, and the falling pound against the dollar and the euro. And

:36:14. > :36:18.whilst I am sure that we all hope that this stabilises quickly, it

:36:19. > :36:23.makes a practical focus on the economy essential. Currently we

:36:24. > :36:27.exported mostly to the rest of the UK followed closely by the rest of

:36:28. > :36:30.Europe. The government 's and statistics for 2014 showed that 42%

:36:31. > :36:37.of all international exports would Western for the EU at the value of

:36:38. > :36:42.some ?11.6 billion. One in every ?6 in our business economy is generated

:36:43. > :36:46.by companies based in the rest of Europe. So this matters to our

:36:47. > :36:50.economic well-being. Businesses do adapt to changing circumstances. But

:36:51. > :36:57.these changes are often most keenly felt by those who work for them, and

:36:58. > :37:02.in lessening job opportunities. We are hearing anecdotal evidence of

:37:03. > :37:05.changes to investment plans, companies paid in dollars seeing an

:37:06. > :37:09.immediate loss because of the exchange rate and one man and now of

:37:10. > :37:12.was about to start an engineering job in Europe, and he has now been

:37:13. > :37:18.told to stay at home, because they had no idea if they are going to

:37:19. > :37:23.recruiter that job any more. And what about right on it product,

:37:24. > :37:27.Scotch Whisky? Likes of much of the food and drinks sector representing

:37:28. > :37:30.an increasing contribution to the GDP, a substantial exported to

:37:31. > :37:33.Europe accounting for thousands of jobs. It is that impact on the

:37:34. > :37:39.people we serve that we must focus our attention on. There are views on

:37:40. > :37:44.mortgages, pensions. All of these may be affected. Let me zoom in on a

:37:45. > :37:52.couple points. It is about the impact on people that we need to

:37:53. > :37:54.look at. On a second referendum, I acknowledge and welcome be the

:37:55. > :37:58.assurance given by the First Minister that this is not her

:37:59. > :38:02.starting point. Let me say as respectfully as I can, I listened to

:38:03. > :38:10.Fergus Ewing with great attention this morning on GMS and he suggested

:38:11. > :38:14.independence was the only answer. I had the government not to face both

:38:15. > :38:20.ways on this. Let me say, just as Nicola Sturgeon said, that the UK, I

:38:21. > :38:26.am in my final minute, that the UK had changed. Well, so will the

:38:27. > :38:33.new... We have a point of order, Miss Bailey. Miss Bailey said that

:38:34. > :38:37.she refused to take my point of order. That is not the point of

:38:38. > :38:43.order. It is up to the Speaker who she allows to intervene. No, Mr

:38:44. > :38:52.Ewing, that was not a point of order. Miss Bailey is currently

:38:53. > :38:54.making her contribution. I hope added time will reflect the

:38:55. > :39:01.intervention I have add. Nicola Sturgeon said that the UK had

:39:02. > :39:05.changed, but so will the EU, so it is imperative that, should we be

:39:06. > :39:08.faced with another independence referendum, that clear, detailed

:39:09. > :39:13.terms of joining Europe will be set out in advance, because if we join

:39:14. > :39:16.the euro, we will need to decrease public debt. That means cutting

:39:17. > :39:23.public spending. What implications will that have for our services? I

:39:24. > :39:28.want to remain in Europe. I am a committed European. But we must

:39:29. > :39:33.approach this with our eyes wide open and take time to consider what

:39:34. > :39:37.we should do. At the moment it is a constantly changing landscape. We

:39:38. > :39:41.don't know what will happen. The First Minister is intent on bringing

:39:42. > :39:44.forward another independence referendum to this country, then she

:39:45. > :39:50.must spell out in detail what the terms of that engagement with Europe

:39:51. > :39:55.will be, and nothing less will do. Presiding Officer, let me finish by

:39:56. > :39:58.welcoming the First Minister 's comments about working together. We

:39:59. > :40:02.should be working together across the UK, people in Northern Ireland,

:40:03. > :40:08.London, Manchester and other areas beside. They will feel the economic

:40:09. > :40:15.consequences of this, so let's not stand alone in our negotiations with

:40:16. > :40:20.Europe. Michael Russell to be followed by Elaine Smith. I want to

:40:21. > :40:22.address two issues, the impact of the decision last Thursday on this

:40:23. > :40:29.Parliament in terms of Scotland and its budget and finances and process.

:40:30. > :40:33.And what I think is the existential choice that Scotland now faces.

:40:34. > :40:39.Firstly, on the issue of budget, it is obvious that in our present state

:40:40. > :40:42.of partial dependence, budget decisions made south of the border

:40:43. > :40:45.impact directly on what we have to spend and on our timescale of

:40:46. > :40:50.scrutiny. We are clearly dependent in block grant and taxation on the

:40:51. > :40:54.overall health of the UK economy. Huge insecurity has been created not

:40:55. > :40:58.only by the vote last week but by the political paralysis that has

:40:59. > :41:02.followed it. George Osborne, the author of the disastrous revenge

:41:03. > :41:07.budget idea, is now the author of the equally damaging no budget idea.

:41:08. > :41:11.The Autumn Statement will follow a challenge in Tory leadership and a

:41:12. > :41:15.changing Minister. It might be subordinated a snap general

:41:16. > :41:19.election. Although these factors create considerable uncertainty in

:41:20. > :41:22.Scotland, where the draft budget is due according to the existing

:41:23. > :41:31.timetable to be published by 20 of September.

:41:32. > :41:37.Anyone in London will have two clarify this matter. We will need to

:41:38. > :41:44.make decisions in Scotland on how we move ahead. It may not be the time

:41:45. > :41:49.for a spending review. Must -- much discussion on this is required and

:41:50. > :41:52.tomorrow the finance committee will have an opportunity to discuss this

:41:53. > :41:56.with the finance minister, a rather unusual first evidence session for

:41:57. > :42:00.both. Finance issues lie within the overall context of political issues

:42:01. > :42:03.and it has been and is an extraordinary political tide. The

:42:04. > :42:07.First Minister is aptly be correct that her leadership has been

:42:08. > :42:11.inspirational in this last weekend. The key issue is to retain our

:42:12. > :42:14.membership of the EU and that is our objective and it is right that we

:42:15. > :42:18.start that process today with a clear instruction to the Scottish

:42:19. > :42:24.Government to explore every possibility and consider every route

:42:25. > :42:28.there may be. What is not in doubt is the objective must be achieved.

:42:29. > :42:34.It must be achieved because only by doing so can we retain, each one of

:42:35. > :42:38.us retain our European citizenship which amongst other things

:42:39. > :42:42.guarantees free movement, protect us in the workplace, enhances and

:42:43. > :42:46.conserves the environment in which we live and welcomes diversity and

:42:47. > :42:50.difference within a tolerant hole, whilst allowing us to participate in

:42:51. > :42:57.the structures of the union as equals, individually and

:42:58. > :43:02.collectively. I have the opportunity to ask the First Minister, as chair

:43:03. > :43:06.of the finance committee, is it his view that should be Scotland leave

:43:07. > :43:11.the EU and have to rejoin at a later date, that it would be subject to

:43:12. > :43:17.joining the euro and be tied by a 3% deficit? I am not speaking in my

:43:18. > :43:22.capacity as chair of the finance committee but as my capacity about

:43:23. > :43:27.someone who knows anything about politics would no that is a silly

:43:28. > :43:34.question because there is no such requirement. Let me deal with

:43:35. > :43:37.realities. The touchstone for me is European citizenship. I don't want

:43:38. > :43:41.to give that up in Scotland did not consent to give that up for anyone

:43:42. > :43:46.who lives here. European citizenship is an addition not a substitution,

:43:47. > :43:50.we enjoyed in addition to our UK citizenship. We are presently

:43:51. > :43:55.Scottish, British and European but now we are being forced to give one

:43:56. > :43:59.of those up and that is truly an existential choice and it goes to

:44:00. > :44:03.the heart of who we are and who we will be. We are being forced to

:44:04. > :44:09.decide if we are British or European and we are being told we cannot be

:44:10. > :44:13.both. I was born in England and I have many family and friends there,

:44:14. > :44:17.what Chesterton called the plain people of England, a good, noble

:44:18. > :44:22.outgoing and generous and they have been failed by their leaders and

:44:23. > :44:25.they are still being failed. That is a tragedy. The First Minister is

:44:26. > :44:29.right to say that the country that Scotland chose to remain in two

:44:30. > :44:33.years ago no longer exists and it is the people of England to see that

:44:34. > :44:36.most clearly now. They ended it with their vote last week. They must find

:44:37. > :44:40.a way forward from that and I hope they can find a better way forward

:44:41. > :44:45.but accepting that failure and its consequences is Scotland --

:44:46. > :44:49.something Scotland cannot and must not do. We must look up to see a

:44:50. > :44:53.vision of corporation and engagement, the daughter which as

:44:54. > :45:01.was said yesterday is opening, festival for discussion. In 1850 in

:45:02. > :45:05.the House of Commons during a difficult of their Palmerston talked

:45:06. > :45:09.about his objective in foreign policy. His objective was this, to

:45:10. > :45:12.ensure that the British subject in whatever land he may be shall feel

:45:13. > :45:16.confident that the watchful eye and the strong arm of England will

:45:17. > :45:22.protect him against injustice and wrong. That is the choice now for

:45:23. > :45:26.us. Should we do as we are told and rely once again on the watchful eye

:45:27. > :45:31.on the strong arm of England to protect us? Have we grown out of

:45:32. > :45:36.that? Given that the eye and the arm are withered beyond recognition.

:45:37. > :45:38.Would it not be more in keeping with the times to see collaboration,

:45:39. > :45:43.Corporation and an open outlook to the world, and if that is so, where

:45:44. > :45:48.do we get those? Only in our membership of the EU. That is the

:45:49. > :45:53.existential choice and we are being forced to make it. Finally let me go

:45:54. > :45:59.very close to home. On Friday I was on the island of mile and yesterday

:46:00. > :46:02.I was in mid Argyll where there is genuine apprehension and fear about

:46:03. > :46:07.the consequences of what is taking place. Talk of job losses and

:46:08. > :46:11.companies retrenchment. Concern about investment, public and private

:46:12. > :46:15.and worry about funds and loans and an acknowledgement of how much comes

:46:16. > :46:21.from Europe and still comes to support rural areas. Something more.

:46:22. > :46:26.Centuries of engagement have made us European. We were European before we

:46:27. > :46:32.were British, sending students to the continent, Sherry citizenship

:46:33. > :46:40.with France, appealing our very nationhood. In war and in peace we

:46:41. > :46:45.look to Europe and they look to us. In the words of Voltaire, for our

:46:46. > :46:48.very idea of civilisation. Our existential choices being made not

:46:49. > :46:53.because of this referendum but because of our history. Its inherent

:46:54. > :46:57.in who we are. We cannot be anyone else. We are European and citizens

:46:58. > :47:01.of Europe and that is what we have chosen to remain at what we must

:47:02. > :47:14.remain, no matter how and no matter what it takes. As one of only a few

:47:15. > :47:19.MSPs who put a case for leave, though not part of any official

:47:20. > :47:24.campaign I feel I must contribute to the debate today, after all nearly

:47:25. > :47:27.40% of those who use their vote actually boated Leave and they were

:47:28. > :47:30.spread across all parties and that effectively means that this

:47:31. > :47:34.parliament did not affect that in the contributions prior to the vote

:47:35. > :47:37.and while I appreciate that members will have their personal views or

:47:38. > :47:40.party line, I would have thought that this kind of vote by the public

:47:41. > :47:44.should have been more reflected in this chamber so they need a voice

:47:45. > :47:49.today. I spoke to a great many people and I listen to the arguments

:47:50. > :47:53.for Remain including the compelling ones being made by Jeremy Corbyn and

:47:54. > :47:56.I studied the left-wing case for Leave and one reason I felt

:47:57. > :48:01.compelled to contribute to the previous debate was that I believe

:48:02. > :48:05.the opinions of those who were voting Leave for democracy, workers'

:48:06. > :48:10.rights and stopping privatisation of public services and they deserved

:48:11. > :48:13.expression in this chamber. The 1 million voters in Scotland who chose

:48:14. > :48:16.Leave did so in the sure knowledge that this referendum was right

:48:17. > :48:29.across the UK and every single vote counted on its own

:48:30. > :48:32.merit, whether you were in Blackpool or Belfast, Cardiff or Coatbridge,

:48:33. > :48:34.London or Lossiemouth. There was no question that regional country

:48:35. > :48:37.results would be treated differently to the overall results. We had a

:48:38. > :48:40.democratic vote here in 2014 with an unprecedented turnout that means we

:48:41. > :48:43.are part of the UK and that was only a Scottish boat but the democracy of

:48:44. > :48:48.that is being set aside. This referendum vote was conducted right

:48:49. > :48:52.across the UK and over 1 million voters in Scotland who chose Leave

:48:53. > :48:57.deserved reputation and they don't deserve to be disenfranchised. With

:48:58. > :49:01.regard to Remain voters it is clear it was a UK wide vote based on the

:49:02. > :49:07.UK's relationship with the EU so in terms of the motion I cannot vote to

:49:08. > :49:13.welcome the overwhelming vote of the people of Scotland to bow to Remain

:49:14. > :49:16.since I voted Leave and the overall premise is flawed. The ballot paper

:49:17. > :49:22.did not ask if you wanted Scotland to remain in the EU and there was an

:49:23. > :49:27.majority of people here who voted for the UK to remain. There was a

:49:28. > :49:31.degree of ambivalence as Scotland have the second lowest turnout from

:49:32. > :49:36.across the UK. Just over 1 million people in Scotland voted for the UK

:49:37. > :49:38.to leave the EU and they did so with little support for their view in

:49:39. > :49:45.this Parliament, indeed all parties and leaders were pushing very hard

:49:46. > :49:51.for Remain. Furthermore those voters contributed substantially to the end

:49:52. > :49:54.you the outcome of a Leave vote. If they had all voted for Remain then

:49:55. > :49:57.the outcome would have been very different so Scotland certainly

:49:58. > :50:02.contributed to the overall result. In some areas the boat was tight and

:50:03. > :50:05.maybe that is due to things like a controversial Common fisheries

:50:06. > :50:08.policy that has contributed to the demise of our fishing industry.

:50:09. > :50:13.These kind of failures in EU policy might be just one of the reasons

:50:14. > :50:22.that some people across the country chose to vote Leave and to say that

:50:23. > :50:24.much of the result in this referendum was predicated on the

:50:25. > :50:26.xenophobic intolerance is a wee bit simplistic. However there is no

:50:27. > :50:31.doubt that Ukip exploiting such sentiments where they do exist, for

:50:32. > :50:34.their own ends and the disgraceful and now infamous poster now put out

:50:35. > :50:38.by Nigel Farage and Ukip certainly had a hand in changing the minds of

:50:39. > :50:47.some socialists who had been inclined to vote Leave. I agree with

:50:48. > :50:52.the sentiment and the motion that the EU citizens living here are

:50:53. > :50:56.welcomed a contribution ballot and that is important to send out but if

:50:57. > :50:59.anyone implies that all voters were xenophobic racist then that would be

:51:00. > :51:02.outrageous and I hope most members in this chamber do not believe it or

:51:03. > :51:09.ever impolite. Many of the working-class thing communities in

:51:10. > :51:13.south-east Wales and North Scotland voted Leave as an expression of

:51:14. > :51:18.disconnect with the whole political elite. In south Wales the threat of

:51:19. > :51:20.4000 jobs being lost at Port Talbot as a direct result of EU stated

:51:21. > :51:27.rules blocking more government support could have influenced the

:51:28. > :51:31.results. I want is down with steelworkers workers the EU stance

:51:32. > :51:35.on competition policy has meant that national governments face a backlash

:51:36. > :51:39.of legal action if they attempt to nationalising industry. Think about

:51:40. > :51:42.this, not being subject to competition policy and legal

:51:43. > :51:45.challenge would mean that our Scottish Government could easily

:51:46. > :51:50.nationalise industries like steel if they wished and they wouldn't have

:51:51. > :51:53.too returned to Cal Mac in future. What we should be focusing on are

:51:54. > :51:56.the important issues of stopping austerity, protecting workers'

:51:57. > :52:00.rights and jobs and the First Minister should be entering her

:52:01. > :52:03.discussions within the UK and out with bearing in mind that she

:52:04. > :52:17.represents all the citizens of Scotland, those who

:52:18. > :52:21.voted to remain, those who voted to leave and those who didn't vote, and

:52:22. > :52:23.I do note her earlier comments on that. At this time she can't lose

:52:24. > :52:26.sight of domestic issues like teachers, industrial action, RMT

:52:27. > :52:27.strike, the NHS. The EU is not Europe, it's a political construct

:52:28. > :52:29.that undermines elected national governments and it eliminates

:52:30. > :52:32.democracy and it is primarily a trade agreement. In the words of

:52:33. > :52:35.Tony Benn on how the EU is developing, it was very obvious that

:52:36. > :52:40.what they had in mind was not democratic. I am in favour of

:52:41. > :52:44.democracy, well so am I. We should all now respect the democratic

:52:45. > :52:48.mandate from the UK electorate which included the 1 million Scottish

:52:49. > :52:52.Leave voters. The citizens of the UK through the ballot box has given

:52:53. > :52:57.directive of change through the EU project which has clearly failed

:52:58. > :53:00.many of them. Many of them see it as a victory of people against profit

:53:01. > :53:04.and the powerless against the powerful and we need to make it work

:53:05. > :53:09.for them. John Foster had a view of leaving the EU, a renewed democracy,

:53:10. > :53:17.restored welfare state, public control of the economy, our vision

:53:18. > :53:20.to combat racism, cynicism and division and unite all working

:53:21. > :53:26.people and that is my vision. We need to make this work for working

:53:27. > :53:30.people and that is the most important aim, and that is with the

:53:31. > :53:33.UK Socialist Labour government fight against austerity government and

:53:34. > :53:45.attacks on wages and workers' rights.

:53:46. > :53:51.Before I start I just want to say that I know Oliver is a new MSP but

:53:52. > :53:56.he is an MSP. You are here to represent the people of Scotland,

:53:57. > :53:59.not the UK Government. The people of Scotland spoke quite clearly last

:54:00. > :54:03.Thursday and I think what you should be doing, and your colleagues, is

:54:04. > :54:07.you should be standing up for them. I am a bit disappointed that I have

:54:08. > :54:12.to make some of the same comments to my colleague on the right-hand side,

:54:13. > :54:17.Elaine Smith. Honestly, if you think the workers are going to be better

:54:18. > :54:24.off under Nigel and Boris, then it is a strange socialism that you

:54:25. > :54:28.believe in. I think, presiding office, I finished by saying the

:54:29. > :54:34.workers would be better off with a Socialist Labour government. And I

:54:35. > :54:41.would be better off being 25 years old, six foot tall and blond haired!

:54:42. > :54:45.In the 20 years I have been involved in the S I have learned to deal

:54:46. > :54:49.with disappointments. I was heartbroken over the 2014 referendum

:54:50. > :54:52.result but I was able to take encouragement from the positivity

:54:53. > :54:56.that the campaign generated at the prospect of Holyrood achieving

:54:57. > :55:00.additional powers in Scotland becoming engaged with the Democratic

:55:01. > :55:04.participatory process in a way I never saw before. Sadly I have no

:55:05. > :55:09.such positive outlook in the wake of this result. This saw claims

:55:10. > :55:14.retracted within hours of the results, a result one by going to

:55:15. > :55:17.the basest politics I have seen in any campaign in my life and

:55:18. > :55:21.politicians who took part in that should be ashamed of themselves.

:55:22. > :55:26.Both campaigns ran scare tactics. The remain campaign came out with

:55:27. > :55:30.the project fear figures that we saw in the independence referendum and

:55:31. > :55:35.the Leave campaign came out with the lowest form of politics have ever

:55:36. > :55:40.seen. The SNP warned against running a negative campaign and we saw that

:55:41. > :55:43.it was counter-productive and a more positive you are the better result

:55:44. > :55:47.you will get and we saw that in 2014 and if they had run a campaign like

:55:48. > :55:50.that and so the benefits of immigration instead of running

:55:51. > :55:53.scared from the benefits of immigration at the time it was

:55:54. > :55:59.mentioned, then maybe we wouldn't be standing here today discussing what

:56:00. > :56:01.we are discussing. I would like to concentrate on the possible impact

:56:02. > :56:06.on education thanks to this result but first let me read a tweet that

:56:07. > :56:12.was sent to the First Minister yesterday. Daughter graduates on

:56:13. > :56:17.Thursday, internship with Milan firm just cancelled, sole reason given,

:56:18. > :56:21.Brexit. That right there is the reality of the vote. I would like to

:56:22. > :56:23.express my thanks to the principles of vice chancellors who made

:56:24. > :56:37.unequivocal statements on the value of EU students and their wider

:56:38. > :56:42.contribution to Scottish culture. It is clear academic collaboration is

:56:43. > :56:45.still required and they will still collaborate in the Erasmus plan and

:56:46. > :56:49.I congratulate him as being appointed as the chair of the

:56:50. > :56:53.standing Council of experts. Sir Ian Diamond from Glasgow has given his

:56:54. > :56:56.thanks to the contribution of EU students and given a clear

:56:57. > :56:59.commitment to current students and those set to join in the new

:57:00. > :57:02.academic year that any constitutional changes made during

:57:03. > :57:07.their studies that affects tuition fees will be financially provided

:57:08. > :57:10.for by the University. I also welcome a positive statement made by

:57:11. > :57:18.the president of NUS Scotland who said that Scotland's should not be

:57:19. > :57:20.ignored and it is crucial that the UK Government work with all devolved

:57:21. > :57:28.governments to mitigate the consequences. The EU students can

:57:29. > :57:32.come to Scotland to study, work and make cultural contributions is a

:57:33. > :57:36.dynamic and multicultural society and it should be applauded and not

:57:37. > :57:57.undermined. Scottish students cannot make their mark across the UK.

:57:58. > :58:03.The European structural fund for 2014-20 has provided 940 million

:58:04. > :58:09.euros to invest the Scottish Government's priorities. The horizon

:58:10. > :58:12.2020 has contributed 217 million euros into research and innovation.

:58:13. > :58:15.Like Wise the European social funds commitment to the Princes trust

:58:16. > :58:19.addressing disadvantaged through team project, this project has been

:58:20. > :58:23.instrumental in providing support to many young people in overcome ago

:58:24. > :58:26.range of challenges, lower educational attainment, lack of

:58:27. > :58:31.training or a lack of confidence. It's helped to assist in equipping

:58:32. > :58:34.over 4,000 young people with skills to achieve their ambitions. All of

:58:35. > :58:38.these are potentially at risk because of the unnecessary and

:58:39. > :58:41.damaging referendum and outcome. I alluded to the uncertainty created.

:58:42. > :58:45.I wish to congratulate the First Minister for the way she's handled

:58:46. > :58:49.everything since Friday morning since we knew the result. The

:58:50. > :58:54.Scottish Cabinet met on Saturday to take decisive action. Boris played

:58:55. > :58:57.cricket and Westminster fiddled. I agree it's vital to have ongoing

:58:58. > :59:02.discussions with stakeholders and wish the advisory panel every

:59:03. > :59:05.success. In concluding my remarks, I want to join the others in thanking

:59:06. > :59:10.the EU citizens here in Scotland, I have a number of them in my own

:59:11. > :59:12.constituency and there's many in the First Minister's neighbouring

:59:13. > :59:15.constituency. Again thank the many educational professionals and

:59:16. > :59:18.experts who have given what reassurance they can to EU students.

:59:19. > :59:20.I warmly support the Scottish Government's efforts in trying to

:59:21. > :59:24.secure a continued involvement in the EU and of course the single

:59:25. > :59:31.market. But earlier I mentioned a tweet by a mother of a young

:59:32. > :59:36.student, here is a second tweet. All future collaborations, exchanges and

:59:37. > :59:41.internships for EU citizens across the EU are under threat. She then

:59:42. > :59:44.asks us to retweet, I would say get that message out there as soon as

:59:45. > :59:47.you can. These tweets say as much about what a disaster Thursday's

:59:48. > :59:51.vote is for young men and women from across the UK, not just Scotland, as

:59:52. > :59:55.anything I have heard or read. These are the real life consequences of

:59:56. > :59:58.Brexit, not some ridiculous abstract about taking back control. Not much

:59:59. > :00:08.control of the future for these young people, is there? I support

:00:09. > :00:11.the motion. APPLAUSE

:00:12. > :00:16.Two weeks ago my sister moved to Valencia. Spain is a country she

:00:17. > :00:20.fell in love with many years ago and one she has since studied in,

:00:21. > :00:24.learned the language, soaked up the culture and made many friends and

:00:25. > :00:29.now, like many Scots, has decided to make her home. The kind welcome she

:00:30. > :00:33.has received has been wonderful to witness. It is the same welcoming

:00:34. > :00:38.spirit which I believe the majority of people who have come to live and

:00:39. > :00:42.work in Scotland have also enjoyed. For those non-UK citizens who have

:00:43. > :00:46.come to live and work in our country, and those who have married

:00:47. > :00:50.Scots and have made Scotland their home, let us send out the message

:00:51. > :00:55.today their contribution to our economy and country is valued and

:00:56. > :00:58.one we will work to protect. As members will know I actively

:00:59. > :01:03.campaigned in the Remain vote here in Scotland and wanted to see the

:01:04. > :01:09.whole UK confirm its membership of the EU. I am very aware of the

:01:10. > :01:13.disappointment of many of my constituents across the region,

:01:14. > :01:16.including Edinburgh which saw the highest Remain vote anywhere across

:01:17. > :01:21.Scotland. Many of them have contacted me as well as other MSPs

:01:22. > :01:26.since to express their regret and concern at the decision taken by the

:01:27. > :01:30.whole UK. But as a Democrat, I accept the result of the referendum.

:01:31. > :01:34.This is what democracy is all about. How we put our arguments to the

:01:35. > :01:38.people and the manner by which we live by their decisions. It is now

:01:39. > :01:43.incumbent on all parties across the UK and all nations within the United

:01:44. > :01:46.Kingdom to seek stability and work towards achieving the best possible

:01:47. > :01:50.deal for the whole of the UK. While the First Minister's immediate

:01:51. > :01:55.reaction to the EU referendum was to put a second independence referendum

:01:56. > :01:59.on the table, the constituents and businesses who have contacted me

:02:00. > :02:03.over the past few days have overwhelmingly said that this threat

:02:04. > :02:08.of another independence referendum is exactly the last thing Scotland

:02:09. > :02:14.needs at this point in time. And I agree. We will now face critical

:02:15. > :02:18.negotiations that will determine our new relationship with the countries

:02:19. > :02:22.that make up the EU the aim must be to protect and maximise Scottish

:02:23. > :02:27.trade within the European Union area and ensure continued access to our

:02:28. > :02:32.single market. I believe it's vital that the United Kingdom looks at all

:02:33. > :02:35.options, including the economic - the European economic area and that

:02:36. > :02:41.would continue to provide free movement of persons, goods, services

:02:42. > :02:45.and capital within the EU. Yes. I am grateful to the member for giving

:02:46. > :02:50.way. Does he acknowledge that such a proposition, even though it's not my

:02:51. > :02:52.first option, would involve a substantial financial contribution

:02:53. > :02:55.along the lines of the current financial contribution to being

:02:56. > :02:59.members of the European Union and therefore gives the lie to those who

:03:00. > :03:04.claim that there will be ?350 million a week to spend on the NHS?

:03:05. > :03:10.Yes, I would. We are actually at the point where early negotiations would

:03:11. > :03:14.have to look at all of that. The EAA model works well for Norway,

:03:15. > :03:18.Lichtsteiner and Iceland and that's maybe where we will have to move

:03:19. > :03:21.forward on. Further, for our European partners let us never

:03:22. > :03:27.forget they will always remain our partners. This is as much in their

:03:28. > :03:33.economic interests to put together a tariff-free trading relationship,

:03:34. > :03:35.for all our futures. Maintaining and extending fair and

:03:36. > :03:39.non-discriminatory access to export markets by negotiating new trade

:03:40. > :03:42.deals with a wide range of partners will be essential to support many

:03:43. > :03:45.key Scottish industries. Securing the best possible commercial

:03:46. > :03:51.environment for Scottish businesses is vital, from the Scottish risk to

:03:52. > :03:56.the industry which represents 10% of all Scottish exports, to the EU and

:03:57. > :03:59.also a financial services sector. Edinburgh has been an international

:04:00. > :04:04.centre for banking for over 300 years. The financial sector is of

:04:05. > :04:09.national importance with direct links between Scotland, the City of

:04:10. > :04:13.London and other EU financial markets. Britain has 2. 2 million

:04:14. > :04:18.jobs linked to the financial service industry with around 35,000 of those

:04:19. > :04:24.based here in Edinburgh alone. The city remains the UK's second largest

:04:25. > :04:28.financial hub and this must be protected and nurtured. I am

:04:29. > :04:33.particularly aware - I am running out of time. I am aware so many

:04:34. > :04:37.young people backed the Remain campaign and reassuring them and

:04:38. > :04:41.working how we can guarantee their economic future must be also a key

:04:42. > :04:45.priority. Young Scots want to have the opportunities to work across

:04:46. > :04:49.Europe. Our young people take an internationalist view and we need to

:04:50. > :04:54.make sure that they have the opportunity to study, work and

:04:55. > :04:58.travel like before. I accept there is economic uncertainty for many

:04:59. > :05:03.Scottish businesses, as we prepare for a new Prime Minister, and as we

:05:04. > :05:05.prepare for a new Prime Minister who will formally lead these

:05:06. > :05:10.negotiations, I think it's important that we as a parliament set out a

:05:11. > :05:13.clear message and we send the message out that Scotland is open

:05:14. > :05:17.for business. I believe we remain one of the best countries to start a

:05:18. > :05:21.business and invest and we will always have our greatest asset to

:05:22. > :05:26.attract investors and businesses to locate to Scotland, our people. In

:05:27. > :05:29.the coming days, weeks and months and years our nations will face many

:05:30. > :05:38.challenges. Now is the time for us to work to secure the best deal for

:05:39. > :05:43.Scotland and the United Kingdom. Thank you. The practical

:05:44. > :05:46.implications of the decision to leave the EU are potentially

:05:47. > :05:50.massive. It will be weeks, probably months, before the full scale of the

:05:51. > :05:56.impact emerges and already there is great concern amongst businesses

:05:57. > :05:59.large and small with all the implications that Haass already

:06:00. > :06:03.highlighted. Brexit and its possible consequences is creating genuine

:06:04. > :06:06.worry over the future viability of some businesses in my own

:06:07. > :06:11.constituency. Within a matter of hours of the outcome of the

:06:12. > :06:15.referendum I have been approached by a senior representative of a farmers

:06:16. > :06:20.co-operative with a annual turnover of around ?40 million. To tell me of

:06:21. > :06:27.their real worries. They employ around 4,000 people across Scotland.

:06:28. > :06:33.Most on a seasonal basis but around 10% on full-time management drawn

:06:34. > :06:36.from all over European Europe. Without their efforts the business

:06:37. > :06:39.could not function. Soft fruit is part of the success story that is

:06:40. > :06:45.Scottish food and drink and here it is at best confronted by a very real

:06:46. > :06:49.uncertainty. They are pressing to have concerns over future access to

:06:50. > :06:54.the workforce they're dependent upon taken on board and are far from

:06:55. > :06:57.alone as businesses in the UK come to terms with the horrific

:06:58. > :07:00.consequences of a decision Scotland as a nation has expressed at the

:07:01. > :07:03.ballot box finds itself at odds with. These are the potential

:07:04. > :07:08.practical implications of Brexit. What of the people caught in its

:07:09. > :07:11.crossfire? Some of the European European folk who over the years

:07:12. > :07:15.have come to work in agriculture have ended up making lives there,

:07:16. > :07:20.bringing families, marrying Scots, going to college to upskill

:07:21. > :07:24.themselves or gain qualifications needed to bring education back home

:07:25. > :07:27.to play to get better jobs. It's become their home and after a

:07:28. > :07:30.campaign disgustingly dominated by the issue of immigration and let's

:07:31. > :07:35.acknowledge this racism, they are worried. It's not just people from

:07:36. > :07:38.European Europe. Browsing social media I chanced upon a

:07:39. > :07:42.thought-provoking post from a Dutchman. A health professional who

:07:43. > :07:48.happens to practise skills in my constituency. Because he spoke so

:07:49. > :07:51.eloquently and from a standpoint view of us genuinely grasp let me

:07:52. > :07:55.quote what he said, I have lived in the UK and Scotland since I came

:07:56. > :07:59.here from the Netherlands with my parents in 1979. I am about as

:08:00. > :08:03.integrated as it's possible to be. I was educated here. I have a family

:08:04. > :08:07.here. I practise a good career here and I believe I krnt to the

:08:08. > :08:10.community in which I live, I speak the language and I understand the

:08:11. > :08:16.culture and engage with politics, I love the heritage and history and

:08:17. > :08:20.stunning scenery and the people, the warmth and humour and essential

:08:21. > :08:27.decency. The fact I am not a British citizen meant I did not ghetto a

:08:28. > :08:30.vote, I could watch and participate, occasionally wade with bad grace

:08:31. > :08:35.into a Facebook discussion that irritated me and grow alarmed as the

:08:36. > :08:41.conversation slowly became more zenophobic. Ultimately I and others

:08:42. > :08:44.resident here did not get a chance to influence the country. The

:08:45. > :08:48.conflict I felt and in the wake of the vote to leave the EU feel more

:08:49. > :08:53.acutely centres on the fact as the referendum made immigration the main

:08:54. > :08:57.issue and framed the EU as pesky foreigners imposing scheming ways on

:08:58. > :09:01.the UK I felt it was out of place for me to intrude on your great

:09:02. > :09:06.national but internal debate even though the decision to leave the EU

:09:07. > :09:10.will have us unclear but almost certainly detrimental effect on my

:09:11. > :09:12.future in the UK. In the big scheme of things my discomfort is no big

:09:13. > :09:15.deal. I don't know what rights I will lose, what services I will have

:09:16. > :09:19.to start paying for, whether I will have to go through a different gate

:09:20. > :09:23.at the UK airport than my kids. Time will tell. There are much bigger

:09:24. > :09:28.things at stake. Soon when the UK leaves the union the separation will

:09:29. > :09:33.be complete and irreversible, we will have lost common vision, the

:09:34. > :09:38.economic benefits of the market and the framework that protects and the

:09:39. > :09:41.common endeavour to peace, and workers and human rights. Against

:09:42. > :09:54.all that the blow to my identity and sense of my own place in the UK

:09:55. > :09:58.becoming more per-I have ale and fragile important but - live. I am

:09:59. > :10:01.not merely a res department in Britain, specifically I live in

:10:02. > :10:08.Scotland, that special part of the UK that's shown by voting to remain

:10:09. > :10:11.in the EU that it doesn't buy in a the cynical, petty, zenophobic

:10:12. > :10:15.Faragism of some of the other parts. Nor does it seem to believe

:10:16. > :10:20.sovereignty, the ability to determine yir own national affairs

:10:21. > :10:26.is incompatible from transnation co-operation and inte gags with a

:10:27. > :10:31.small I. The make-up of the current parliament shows the people share a

:10:32. > :10:34.optimistic and environmentally responsible inclusive vision of

:10:35. > :10:38.society which is absolutely and resolutely suited to providing

:10:39. > :10:42.answers to the problems of the 2 ist century and stands in total contrast

:10:43. > :10:45.to the small minded nationalism of the leave campaign. Whether it's in

:10:46. > :10:48.Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish Government's powers to keep Scotland

:10:49. > :10:52.in the EU or not remains to be seen but a moment of shock and insecurity

:10:53. > :10:56.the First Minister said words that I suspect a lot of EU nationals who

:10:57. > :11:01.have made this country their home and certainly I needed to hear. They

:11:02. > :11:07.want policy or even promises, they can't possibly know what will be

:11:08. > :11:10.delivered post-Brexit but what she reached in a spirit of generosity

:11:11. > :11:15.demonstrates why hope is not lost, not just for European immigrants but

:11:16. > :11:18.for everyone who wants to live in a progressive and inclusive country

:11:19. > :11:22.that is a fully committed part of the European Union. Colleagues, a

:11:23. > :11:27.decision time tonight let's join the First Minister in reaching out to

:11:28. > :11:30.our Dutch friend and others like him and demonstrate we value the

:11:31. > :11:32.contribution to Scotland that they make just as much as we do our

:11:33. > :11:46.country's place in the EU. Like almost every member of this

:11:47. > :11:49.Parliament and an overwhelming majority of those who voted in

:11:50. > :11:54.Scotland on Thursday, this is not a position I wanted to be in. Scotland

:11:55. > :12:00.is and the European nation and the people of Scotland have made their

:12:01. > :12:03.views quite clear. They intend, we intend, on remaining European

:12:04. > :12:07.citizens. We want to see the protections for workers, women,

:12:08. > :12:11.parents and the environment continue to affect us. We appreciate the

:12:12. > :12:15.opportunities that freedom of movement gives us, not just as a

:12:16. > :12:18.nation in need of a growing population, but as individuals. We

:12:19. > :12:22.have no plans to leave the European Union and it is only right that we

:12:23. > :12:26.exhaust every option open to us in pursuit of that outcome. The support

:12:27. > :12:31.that reaches across almost all of this chamber today for such efforts

:12:32. > :12:35.will be welcomed by those that we represent. These support, of course

:12:36. > :12:36.extends beyond the chamber and across the continent. Senior

:12:37. > :12:54.politicians from across the liberal,

:12:55. > :12:56.Conservative and green traditions have all indicated a willingness to

:12:57. > :12:58.secure Scotland's future in Europe. In the course of this debate I

:12:59. > :13:00.received the following from the co-chairs of the European Green

:13:01. > :13:03.Alliance in the European Parliament, whilst it is clear that the majority

:13:04. > :13:05.of UK public have voted to leave the EU, far greater majorities voting to

:13:06. > :13:08.remain in Scotland and Northern Ireland must be listened to as well.

:13:09. > :13:10.The Greens in the European Parliament are a strong supporter of

:13:11. > :13:13.the EU and will support exploring all options to allow Scotland and

:13:14. > :13:18.Northern Ireland to remain in the EU as they have clearly voted to do. We

:13:19. > :13:22.still have a role to play in reforming Europe and building on the

:13:23. > :13:25.successes and failures of the European project. Huge challenges

:13:26. > :13:31.still face us as a continent, challenges that we can only face

:13:32. > :13:35.together. 57,000 refugees stranded within Europe and Greece and over

:13:36. > :13:40.700 drowned in the last week of May alone, trying to reach our shores.

:13:41. > :13:45.May was the 13th month on record where temperature levels were again

:13:46. > :13:47.broken. The result of that being the kind of extreme weather that only

:13:48. > :14:02.causes extreme misery, not just those in Europe,

:14:03. > :14:04.suffering from extreme flooding and dangers and coastal erosion but to

:14:05. > :14:07.the many millions elsewhere who will be left with no other option but to

:14:08. > :14:09.flee to our shores. Unless we take collective action that will be a

:14:10. > :14:12.refugee crisis many times greater than the ones we are currently

:14:13. > :14:15.failing to deal with. Whilst the UK as a whole has clearly decided to

:14:16. > :14:17.take a different path that will make it less able to contribute to

:14:18. > :14:20.tackling these crises, Scotland has said that we intend to stay, to

:14:21. > :14:23.continue playing our part. One of the United Kingdom may be heading

:14:24. > :14:27.towards a Conservative government far to the right of the one we

:14:28. > :14:32.currently suffer under, people here have clearly said they value the

:14:33. > :14:35.protections afforded to us all as European citizens, protections from

:14:36. > :14:40.overwork and dangerous working conditions, guarantees of maternity

:14:41. > :14:59.leave and equal pay for equal work, and some,

:15:00. > :15:02.although not nearly enough regulation of our financial sector.

:15:03. > :15:04.The work required to continue these benefits and ensure that Scotland

:15:05. > :15:07.can continue to play our part in Europe will be difficult. We are in

:15:08. > :15:08.an unprecedented situation and I welcome the Scottish Government

:15:09. > :15:11.commitment to cross-party working as well as the engagement of council

:15:12. > :15:13.experts. I am pleased to see other parties have already made more

:15:14. > :15:15.commitments but I do have one specific request. Our young people

:15:16. > :15:18.benefit more than any other generation from the opportunities

:15:19. > :15:22.afforded to them and to us as European citizens. The ability to

:15:23. > :15:26.live, work or study anywhere across the European Union, schemes such as

:15:27. > :15:29.Rasmus, are not something the Scottish people are willing to lose.

:15:30. > :15:33.I am aware of a letter from the First Minister's opt -- office that

:15:34. > :15:38.has gone to the youth Parliament which gives them a formal role in

:15:39. > :15:42.the discussions to follow. Given the SNP's unit mandate to represent

:15:43. > :15:46.young people I believe this is not just a reasonable request but a

:15:47. > :15:49.necessary step and I hope the First Minister will agree. Shortly before

:15:50. > :15:53.this debate I addressed a rally outside the parliament with hundreds

:15:54. > :15:59.of people assembled and their message could not have been clearer.

:16:00. > :16:03.They expect us to do all we can, to exhaust every option to guarantee

:16:04. > :16:08.their rights to keep Scotland in Europe and I am confident that we

:16:09. > :16:10.will do just that. It is no secret which option my party prefer, one

:16:11. > :16:15.that we would have preferred, regardless of the outcome of the

:16:16. > :16:18.referendum, but that takes on a new urgency and its aftermath. I believe

:16:19. > :16:23.the only way to guarantee Scotland's long-term future in Europe is to put

:16:24. > :16:24.our future in our own hands, for Scotland to become an independent

:16:25. > :16:40.nation. Whether the Conservatives like it or not, the United Kingdom

:16:41. > :16:42.they argued for in 2014 and longer exists. It is clear that the

:16:43. > :16:45.arguments they made, that the only way to guarantee EU membership was

:16:46. > :16:48.to vote no and that argument was no longer applies. This UK is very

:16:49. > :16:50.different to last week and it is only right that the people of

:16:51. > :16:53.Scotland, if necessary and they want it, once again make a collective

:16:54. > :16:56.choice about our future. Today is a day for us to come together as a

:16:57. > :17:00.Parliament and look at every option available to us, and while I am very

:17:01. > :17:03.keen to explore options short of independence, it would be remiss of

:17:04. > :17:07.me not to be honest about my position. I believe that an

:17:08. > :17:19.independent Scotland, with a seat at the European table, would provide

:17:20. > :17:22.the most opportunities for our young people and allow us to play the

:17:23. > :17:25.greatest rock possible of facing up to the well's crisis, and I believe

:17:26. > :17:27.with independence we can create a fairer and more just and prosperous

:17:28. > :17:29.society that we all want to see. This week we begin a deeply

:17:30. > :17:34.uncertain process to clarify Scotland's future in Europe. We

:17:35. > :17:38.could still have the support of all five parties in this parliament if

:17:39. > :17:41.the Tories can bring themselves to support the responsible reasonable

:17:42. > :17:44.proposals from the government. Few of us wanted to be in this position

:17:45. > :17:48.today but we must work with what we have got and we must do everything

:17:49. > :17:49.we can to respect the mandate of the people in Scotland. We must keep in

:17:50. > :18:07.Europe. The will of the Scottish people and

:18:08. > :18:11.that of Northern Ireland, London and other parts of the UK must be

:18:12. > :18:16.respected in relation to our position in the European Union. This

:18:17. > :18:19.will take time and we must expect the European Commission to give

:18:20. > :18:23.respect to the complexities of the negotiations ahead. We must not

:18:24. > :18:28.allow the EU leaders of other countries to rush any exit process

:18:29. > :18:32.in a bid to shut down right-wing arguments in their own countries,

:18:33. > :18:36.much as we understand the complexities of that as well. This

:18:37. > :18:41.afternoon I want to focus partly on my brief of environment and climate

:18:42. > :18:46.change and highlight that we need to protect what is precious in our own

:18:47. > :18:50.legislation which has come from the European Union. I asked the Scottish

:18:51. > :18:54.Government to consider environmental protection in addition to the

:18:55. > :18:58.social, employment and economic benefits in its motion today. The

:18:59. > :19:01.Cabinet Secretary's evidence before the environment, climate change and

:19:02. > :19:07.land reform committee this morning gave some reassurance on these

:19:08. > :19:10.matters. Her explanation that the Scottish Government's starting point

:19:11. > :19:22.would be co-operation across national boundaries, and of course

:19:23. > :19:24.regulatory bodies here in Scotland would continue to protect us. She

:19:25. > :19:27.also commented that it was about an understanding of our exposure. I

:19:28. > :19:29.agree with this. We must ask ourselves what came from EU

:19:30. > :19:32.directives? Is the legislation devolved or reserved? What is now

:19:33. > :19:36.enshrined in Scottish Parliament legislation? EU directives are not

:19:37. > :19:40.about bureaucracy or red tape, as some in the league campaign would

:19:41. > :19:45.argue, this is about directives that were forged collectively to protect

:19:46. > :19:48.us all. The chair of the UK climate change committee has said that

:19:49. > :19:53.Europe is about gaining sovereignty as it allows us to face

:19:54. > :19:57.environmental issues. Let's look to see if we can, indeed, in some way

:19:58. > :20:02.retain the membership and those benefits. As to the process, if it

:20:03. > :20:06.comes to it, of dissident whining ourselves from Europe here in

:20:07. > :20:10.Scotland, and whatever speed it moves, we must argue that we must

:20:11. > :20:14.fight against any moves to weaken or repeal environmental protection. The

:20:15. > :20:26.legislation from protect those in our communities who are most in need

:20:27. > :20:28.of support, communities have built dislocated left behind. The ambient

:20:29. > :20:29.air quality directive identifies air-quality zones to tackle dangers

:20:30. > :20:32.to health from traffic emissions. About 4000 people across the UK

:20:33. > :20:37.still die of air pollution each year at the enactment of this legislation

:20:38. > :20:42.is better protecting people in Glasgow and other cities across

:20:43. > :20:47.Scotland. The water framework directive was introduced in 2000 and

:20:48. > :20:54.transposed into Scots law as the water environment and services act

:20:55. > :20:57.in 2003. And it has ensured the quality of our drinking water and

:20:58. > :21:01.reggae sour sewage systems for the benefit people and the environment.

:21:02. > :21:05.Scotland has a high quality water environment that is important to our

:21:06. > :21:09.health and well-being and it supports a rich diversity of

:21:10. > :21:15.wildlife and attracts visitors and supports sustainable development of

:21:16. > :21:18.our economy. I also recall when some of Scotland's beaches were not

:21:19. > :21:21.somewhere I would want to take my children but now, thanks to the

:21:22. > :21:26.implementation of the bathing water directive I can happily take my

:21:27. > :21:30.grandson to any beach here in Scotland without thinking twice. The

:21:31. > :21:34.Marine protected areas enacted by the Marine Scotland act, due to

:21:35. > :21:37.international obligations under the EU marine strategy framework

:21:38. > :21:41.directive that calls for good environmental status throughout

:21:42. > :21:45.Europe's marine areas. The birds and Habitat directive also calls for a

:21:46. > :21:50.network of protected areas. All these EU directives have been

:21:51. > :21:53.instrumental in benefiting the health of our seas, protecting the

:21:54. > :21:56.livelihoods of those who fish in them and those of future

:21:57. > :22:01.generations. On climate change I would take issue with Willie Rennie.

:22:02. > :22:06.It is essential that we continue to work with EU countries to protect

:22:07. > :22:10.present and future generations. Scotland is, indeed, a global

:22:11. > :22:15.leader, in the UK and the EU, and globally we are at a time when

:22:16. > :22:17.America and China are pressing for coordination. It is also essential

:22:18. > :22:30.that the range of funding that came from the EU to Scotland is

:22:31. > :22:32.protected. In my brief, for example, there is recent support for an

:22:33. > :22:34.offshore wind farm which received ?525 million from the European

:22:35. > :22:36.investment bank, supported by the European fund for strategic

:22:37. > :22:42.investments. It is the single largest investment by the EU and

:22:43. > :22:46.brings with it many jobs in Caithness. This kind of support as

:22:47. > :22:50.we transition to a low carbon economy is essential, so let us make

:22:51. > :22:58.sure that we assess how we can protect this funding for the future.

:22:59. > :23:01.With 75% of young people voting UK wide to remain, we have a

:23:02. > :23:06.responsibility to ensure that the Tories kept open to possible future

:23:07. > :23:10.membership of the EU. So many young people understand the cultural,

:23:11. > :23:14.educational and social links and opportunities that EU membership has

:23:15. > :23:18.brought. Many have been lucky enough to travel or work in Europe or have

:23:19. > :23:23.the advantage of educational exchanges and support such as the

:23:24. > :23:30.Rasmus scheme and as was highlighted earlier this is very important for

:23:31. > :23:35.the future. Lewis Douglas wrote to me yesterday to say that following

:23:36. > :23:39.the EU referendum on Thursday and the United Kingdom's momentous

:23:40. > :23:42.decision, it will have a defining impact on the future of where our

:23:43. > :23:47.country is going now. Most importantly this decision will have

:23:48. > :23:50.a defining impact on young people's future. Unfortunately the 16 and

:23:51. > :23:58.17-year-olds were denied the right to vote. I am writing to you this

:23:59. > :24:02.afternoon to ask for your support to ensure that young people's voices

:24:03. > :24:05.are heard. The Scottish youth Parliament this afternoon has called

:24:06. > :24:08.on the First Minister to include young people in the next steps for

:24:09. > :24:14.this country, following the decision to leave the European Union, helping

:24:15. > :24:17.to make our voices heard in shaping our future. I ask the First Minister

:24:18. > :24:23.to listen to this play this afternoon. Before I call Claire

:24:24. > :24:26.Adamson can I remind members that we are going to winding up and if they

:24:27. > :24:33.took part in the debate they should be in the chamber for winding up

:24:34. > :24:39.speeches. Can I welcome the First Minister's statement this afternoon

:24:40. > :24:44.and also the revealing of the setting up of the Council of experts

:24:45. > :24:47.which I think will be vital in securing a positive outcome for

:24:48. > :24:55.Scotland in the months and years ahead. When we were discussing

:24:56. > :25:01.Scottish independence in 2014 one of the members of that council event,

:25:02. > :25:04.David Edwards, gave evidence to the European committee and in that

:25:05. > :25:08.evidence he said, personally I hope very much that an issue of an

:25:09. > :25:14.independent Scotland with a place in the EU will not arise, but the issue

:25:15. > :25:20.was important for the integrity of the EU and also the credibility of

:25:21. > :25:26.its institutions. It affects other countries as well. People are

:25:27. > :25:31.entitled to know, as far as possible, where they stand. We find

:25:32. > :25:35.ourselves in a similar situation today. This is not what we would

:25:36. > :25:42.have wanted as a result of the referendum but we have to deal with

:25:43. > :25:47.those consequences. In the Scottish independence debate we were hampered

:25:48. > :25:52.by not being able to get clarity in some of these key issues so I very

:25:53. > :25:57.much hope that David Cameron's offer to the Scottish Government to be

:25:58. > :26:04.included and be part of the negotiations ahead will include that

:26:05. > :26:08.when clarity is needed from the member state to approach the

:26:09. > :26:09.European Union that that will now happen at the request of our First

:26:10. > :26:20.Minister. I am very, very disappointed that we

:26:21. > :26:24.are at this point because of what seems to be the Conservative Party's

:26:25. > :26:28.petty and ill-conceived jealousies that seem to have been conceived in

:26:29. > :26:38.the Bullingdon club and that have brought the UK to the brink of an

:26:39. > :26:45.uncoupling from the EU. It's a tragedy worth of Shakespearean

:26:46. > :26:51.epics. Our tragedy is that the Tory Party have lost the plot. They have

:26:52. > :26:57.left a void in leadership and Government at the most difficult

:26:58. > :27:02.time for our country but I also hold them responsible for the social

:27:03. > :27:09.inclusion void, a vacuum in the post-industrial communities similar

:27:10. > :27:18.to where I live and brass waut up. Communities where hope and -- where

:27:19. > :27:22.I live and was brought up. That vanning home where the fears for the

:27:23. > :27:29.future, for fears for families have been exploited and used by those

:27:30. > :27:35.bent on division and blaming migration for the country's

:27:36. > :27:39.problems. Elaine Smith talked very carefully about how these

:27:40. > :27:43.communities feel powerless and disengaged from the political

:27:44. > :27:46.process but no one has mentioned why there is such a difference in the

:27:47. > :27:50.Scottish vote in these post-industrial areas than there is

:27:51. > :27:56.in the rest of the UK. Could it be that the rest of the UK hasn't been

:27:57. > :28:00.protected from the bedroom tax? It hasn't had its council rebate

:28:01. > :28:03.protected. The children haven't been protected through the educational

:28:04. > :28:07.maintenance allowance being maintained. They don't have free

:28:08. > :28:15.personal care, free prescriptions or free education. I hold the Tory

:28:16. > :28:18.Party culpable for that vacuum they've left in our communities.

:28:19. > :28:24.APPLAUSE Presiding Officer, it was the

:28:25. > :28:30.closure of RavensCraig that brought me to the SNP and on a principle of

:28:31. > :28:35.independence within Europe. I look at my community which has seen a

:28:36. > :28:40.Government leave no stone unturned to protect our steel industry and

:28:41. > :28:47.has successfully done in securing liberty take over of the existing

:28:48. > :28:52.steel plants in Scotland. The rest of the UK have seen leadership from

:28:53. > :28:57.the Tory Party that is based on the market being all and I am sure that

:28:58. > :29:02.had Redcar, had Port Talbot had the same Government fighting for them

:29:03. > :29:10.that we had in Scotland things may have been so different in this vote.

:29:11. > :29:14.And that desperation of our communities has been sickeningly

:29:15. > :29:18.exploited and is evidenced by that appalling breaking point poster that

:29:19. > :29:23.was released only a few days before the election. So the blame should

:29:24. > :29:28.lie with those who are culpable. There is no pantomime villain to

:29:29. > :29:32.blame for the problems in the UK, although Nigel Farage and Boris

:29:33. > :29:36.Johnson are making a good run for it. This has been a great tragedy

:29:37. > :29:42.for our country and I was appalled to hear the tale of one of my

:29:43. > :29:47.constituents who received racist abuse from someone who had

:29:48. > :29:51.frequented his shop for years, never having displayed such sentiments, a

:29:52. > :29:54.family who work in our area, who live, their children and

:29:55. > :29:59.grandchildren live in my constituency. They employ people in

:30:00. > :30:05.my constituency, they fundraise for food banks and for our hospice. They

:30:06. > :30:12.were told to go home leaving the expletives out. They are home.

:30:13. > :30:14.That's what we should all remember. APPLAUSE

:30:15. > :30:19.Presiding Officer, I want to finish with a quote from Michael Rosen, our

:30:20. > :30:26.children's laureate. I am sure he's taken us on a bear hunt in the past

:30:27. > :30:29.but this is from another poem. I sometimes fear people think fascism

:30:30. > :30:35.arrives in fancy dress and played out in the endless reruns of the Naz

:30:36. > :30:40.ies. Fascism arrive as your friend t will restore your honour, make you

:30:41. > :30:45.feel proud, protect your home, give you a job, clean up your

:30:46. > :30:50.neighbourhood, remind you of how great you once were, clear out the

:30:51. > :30:57.corrupt and move everything you feel is unlike you. I hope the whole

:30:58. > :31:06.country will reflect on those words because zenophobia and racism are no

:31:07. > :31:13.place in any solution going forward. Thank you. Six minutes or

:31:14. > :31:17.thereabouts, please. Yesterday Angela Merkel hosted a meeting with

:31:18. > :31:21.Francois Hollande in Berlin to consider the process of British

:31:22. > :31:27.withdrawal from the European Union. The leaders of the EU have lost no

:31:28. > :31:32.time in confirming that a member state voting to leave finds itself

:31:33. > :31:37.immediately outside the tent. The process of negotiation looks set to

:31:38. > :31:42.be very tough indeed. Even more visually striking was Europe's big

:31:43. > :31:45.three had also changed overnight. The place occupied by successive

:31:46. > :31:50.British Prime Ministers was now taken by the Prime Minister of Italy

:31:51. > :31:55.and they acted as if it had always been that way. The message could not

:31:56. > :32:03.have been clearer, the world has changed and so has our place in it.

:32:04. > :32:08.60 years ago, Anthony Eden plunged Britain into the Suez crisis that

:32:09. > :32:13.culminated in his resignation. Seeking in vein to maintain the

:32:14. > :32:19.British empire he hastened its end and changed our place in the world.

:32:20. > :32:23.British foreign policy has focussed ever more sharply on Europe since

:32:24. > :32:28.then until now. And the present Prime Minister will go down in

:32:29. > :32:34.history for an equally momentous decision. David Cameron's Suez was a

:32:35. > :32:37.referendum we did not need with an outcome even he did not want. It is

:32:38. > :32:42.future generation who is will pay the price of that folly if these

:32:43. > :32:46.Islands do indeed disengage from our European neighbours. But that

:32:47. > :32:51.referendum has happened. The world has changed. Today's debate has been

:32:52. > :32:55.about how we deal with that. What we should not do is head straight for

:32:56. > :32:59.the trenches to fight again the previous referendum. If the vote

:33:00. > :33:03.last week changed the world, so did the vote in 2014. It's no longer

:33:04. > :33:07.credible to say well that was a vote of Britain as a whole, there is no

:33:08. > :33:12.Scottish angle because Scotland is another component part of the United

:33:13. > :33:17.Kingdom. Not so. If this parliament with their new devolved powers

:33:18. > :33:21.really is the most powerful devolved parliament anywhere, it follows that

:33:22. > :33:25.we can and must take our considered view of the implications of Brexit

:33:26. > :33:28.for Scotland's future. Labour will not support the Conservative

:33:29. > :33:31.amendment today because it seeks to rule out any engagement by the

:33:32. > :33:34.Scottish Government with the institutions of the EU as if such

:33:35. > :33:42.engagement was simply a matter for the UK Government alone. Surely this

:33:43. > :33:45.is not the time to limit what options Scotland's devolved

:33:46. > :33:50.Government can explore. I am grateful to the member. I agree with

:33:51. > :33:55.the general point he is making but surely it goes further, the Scottish

:33:56. > :33:58.parliament is about to gain over the period of this session powers that

:33:59. > :34:01.place our budget much more into connection with the performance of

:34:02. > :34:05.our economy and yet at precisely that time it's the UK Government

:34:06. > :34:09.which has taken the most wreckless gamble with the economy which will

:34:10. > :34:15.have a direct impact on spending on public services here unless we act

:34:16. > :34:18.to protect them. I agree with that but at the same time it's true to

:34:19. > :34:22.say that last week's vote does not change the decision of the Scottish

:34:23. > :34:25.people in 2014 when we voted to remain part of the United Kingdom.

:34:26. > :34:28.The question which voters in Scotland were asked last week was

:34:29. > :34:33.whether the United Kingdom should remain a member of the European

:34:34. > :34:36.Union and it is the answer to that question which should guide what we

:34:37. > :34:43.do now. There are material changes, of course. Many will wonder whether

:34:44. > :34:47.independence in Europe if Scotland is in or without is less attractive

:34:48. > :34:50.than what was on offer. Many will leave a domestic market of 65

:34:51. > :34:55.million is more precious if we lose access to a single market of 500

:34:56. > :34:58.million even if some think the single market matters more. The

:34:59. > :35:02.First Minister has said again today there are options to explore other

:35:03. > :35:06.than a second independence referendum and we on this side take

:35:07. > :35:09.her at her word. If she wants to retain that credibility and

:35:10. > :35:15.cross-party support she will want to contain the excitement of those of

:35:16. > :35:20.her supporters and even ministers who cannot wait for it and appear to

:35:21. > :35:24.have written off other options already. Many voters will not want a

:35:25. > :35:29.referendum whatever the question because recent weeks have reminded

:35:30. > :35:32.us of how ugly, brutal and divisive such choices on major national

:35:33. > :35:35.issues can be. I was glad she made clear this afternoon that support

:35:36. > :35:40.for her motion is quite separate from the issue of independence, that

:35:41. > :35:43.clear distinction must be maintained throughout the process we begin

:35:44. > :35:47.today. We ask the First Minister to explore Scotland's options on behalf

:35:48. > :35:50.of this parliament for protecting the benefits of Scotland's

:35:51. > :35:54.relationship with the EU and our place in the single market all of

:35:55. > :35:58.which we have secured over 40 years as part of the UK. We want her to do

:35:59. > :36:02.that in consultation with other leaders of devolved administrations

:36:03. > :36:05.in the United Kingdom, such as the Mayor of London and we welcome what

:36:06. > :36:10.she has said today on that matter. Other parties will also be active in

:36:11. > :36:16.pursuing initiatives towards our shared objectives. Kezia Dugdeal has

:36:17. > :36:21.spoken to the Mayor of London, the and the chief Minister of Gibraltar,

:36:22. > :36:25.all share our values and value the UK's membership of the EU. There is

:36:26. > :36:30.a particular onus on the Government to take these matters forward over

:36:31. > :36:33.coming months. We welcome the presiding officer's assurance that

:36:34. > :36:36.the parliament stands ready for recall if required this summer to

:36:37. > :36:41.hear what progress the Government has made and I look forward forward

:36:42. > :36:44.to the Cabinet Secretary addressing immediate issues at the European

:36:45. > :36:47.committee this week. I hope in summing up today the Cabinet

:36:48. > :36:50.Secretary will say more about exploring options other than

:36:51. > :36:54.independence and that she and her colleagues will work hard to

:36:55. > :37:00.maintain a united approach. Only by doing that can we give people here

:37:01. > :37:05.and elsewhere hope that the chaos and crisis caused by David Cameron's

:37:06. > :37:09.referendum will not mean the end of our European story.

:37:10. > :37:15.APPLAUSE Thank you very much. Eight minutes

:37:16. > :37:19.or theres about. This has been a passionate and deeply felt afternoon

:37:20. > :37:22.of debate and so it should be. Few decisions taken by an electorate

:37:23. > :37:27.have held such profound implications for a country. May I begin by paying

:37:28. > :37:31.tribute to the voters in my constituency who again achieved a

:37:32. > :37:35.record turnout in Scotland of 76%. And who together with voters in

:37:36. > :37:39.Edinburgh achieved the highest vote for Remain in Scotland and the 9th

:37:40. > :37:43.and 10th highest votes representatively anywhere in the UK.

:37:44. > :37:47.My constituents voted to Remain. As with all but a handful of members I

:37:48. > :37:51.sought a different outcome and while I accept the outcome across the UK,

:37:52. > :37:56.I share the dismay and frustration expressed by the First Minister last

:37:57. > :37:58.Friday. There have been three referendums since devolution and

:37:59. > :38:01.while I appreciate the First Minister has been on the losing side

:38:02. > :38:06.in all of them, being on the losing side this time has been a new

:38:07. > :38:10.experience for me. There have been some SNP lawyers this afternoon who

:38:11. > :38:13.have commended the First Minister on the leadership she showed during the

:38:14. > :38:17.campaign and may I surprisingly join them and congratulate her on the

:38:18. > :38:21.energy she brought to the contest, both here in Scotland and in her

:38:22. > :38:26.participation in the UK referendum debate. But I cannot help but

:38:27. > :38:30.observe that the Scottish party who supporters apparently voted to leave

:38:31. > :38:35.by the largest percentage were those of the SNP and perhaps the First

:38:36. > :38:39.Minister will reflect on why so many of her supporters ignored her advice

:38:40. > :38:44.and perhaps Richard Lockhead may like to reflect on why nearly 50% of

:38:45. > :38:50.his constituents voted to ignore him. This was not a clear-cut result

:38:51. > :38:54.in every district and every community in Scotland. But dessia

:38:55. > :38:58.dug das deal has to reflect while many Labour voters may have followed

:38:59. > :39:02.her advice in Scotland, by a greater margin they rejected the shocking

:39:03. > :39:06.leadership from Jeremy Corbyn, no national leader has looked more

:39:07. > :39:11.lacklustre smug or indifferent to the result since last Thursday than

:39:12. > :39:15.he has. She can stew in her anger against this side but she needs to

:39:16. > :39:20.boil on the shame of her own juices over the complacent and indifferent

:39:21. > :39:27.leadership shown by Scotland's party's current UK leader at

:39:28. > :39:32.Westminster. In any event, I might observe too in passing, as did

:39:33. > :39:37.e-Labour Party Smith, that to proportional as this parliament may

:39:38. > :39:40.be it did not reflect the balance of opinion in Scotland and that's

:39:41. > :39:44.something for us to reflect upon however awkward. The proposition I

:39:45. > :39:48.voted for last week and campaigned for that the UK remain in the

:39:49. > :39:51.European Union no longer exists. That was the proposition on the

:39:52. > :39:55.ballot paper, it was not that I or anyone else are to that matter vote

:39:56. > :39:57.for Scotland to remain in the EU whatever the terms of the

:39:58. > :40:02.circumstances. I voted for Scotland to remain in an EU where the whole

:40:03. > :40:07.of the UK was an influential member state. The First Minister in her

:40:08. > :40:10.statement last Friday reasonably expressed her frustration, and to be

:40:11. > :40:12.frank, anger at the fact that Scotland along with Northern Ireland

:40:13. > :40:16.and London spoke so differently to the rest of the UK. She's embarked

:40:17. > :40:21.on a strategy to explore all the options open to Scotland. And has

:40:22. > :40:25.detailed these as she sees them in broad terms the sensible and

:40:26. > :40:29.prudent. But if I had the views expressed this morning however n the

:40:30. > :40:33.European Parliament by Jean-Claude Juncker and the fact in the last few

:40:34. > :40:37.minutes the European President Donald Tusk has turned down the

:40:38. > :40:41.First Minister's invitation for a meeting, suggests that it is not

:40:42. > :40:44.going to be an easy path forward. I suspect that while the First

:40:45. > :40:48.Minister does no disservice in exploring her options, the reality

:40:49. > :40:53.of a union based on treaty will assert itself although I hope that

:40:54. > :40:56.my pragmatic pessimism proves wrong. However, in exploring all the

:40:57. > :41:00.options and within hours of the result, the First Minister confirmed

:41:01. > :41:03.she had instructed officials, it seems almost before anything else

:41:04. > :41:06.and before anybody had digested their breakfast, to prepare the way

:41:07. > :41:11.for a second Scottish independence referendum. Because as I listened

:41:12. > :41:15.with care then to the options as the 15s Minister detailed them, I did

:41:16. > :41:19.not hear advanced what many regard as the Prost mob outcome and which

:41:20. > :41:23.surely the SNP must acknowledge must be a possible scenario, that

:41:24. > :41:27.Scotland remains in the UK and outside of the European Union. It's

:41:28. > :41:31.not enough for SNP members to sit on their seats and sneer and say this

:41:32. > :41:35.shows the true colours of people who consider that. It is surely

:41:36. > :41:39.imperative in that scenario we not only secure the best possible terms

:41:40. > :41:42.in our exiting the formal EU for Scotland, but that in the future

:41:43. > :41:45.life of our country we ensure that the policies adopted for the areas

:41:46. > :41:50.of national life once again determined in the UK are

:41:51. > :41:54.unequiffally designed to advance Scotland's best interests. At the

:41:55. > :41:55.very least this option should enjoy a parallel status and frefrt the

:41:56. > :42:03.Scottish Government. If they don't do that and they focus

:42:04. > :42:08.on the campaign for the next referendum then the SNP risks

:42:09. > :42:10.undermining the Scotland influence in the very negotiations and future

:42:11. > :42:15.planning that are taking place as others conclude that the Scotland

:42:16. > :42:18.contributed are parted, half baked and designed to undermine the deal

:42:19. > :42:22.available. I do not argue this would ever be the intention of ministers

:42:23. > :42:26.but it could easily be the conclusion of others less and liked

:42:27. > :42:31.it so we need to see Nicola Sturgeon in the heart of London and not in

:42:32. > :42:35.Europe, we need her to work with the Secretary of State for Scotland who

:42:36. > :42:39.she didn't mention in her statement today, and all others to represent

:42:40. > :42:43.Scotland's best interests. We need all of Scotland's Westminster MPs,

:42:44. > :42:46.with the First Minister didn't mention today, to represent the

:42:47. > :42:50.Scottish interest and not those of the SNP. We need to see and the

:42:51. > :42:56.voices in support of Scotland and not just suffered the village and

:42:57. > :43:02.tweets in support of the SNP belligerent agenda. Central to our

:43:03. > :43:06.interest is the access to the free trade market that is so fundamental

:43:07. > :43:09.importance to employment. The result last week doesn't change the fact

:43:10. > :43:13.that the overwhelming majority of our business is with the rest of the

:43:14. > :43:17.UK or the European Union and jobs and futures depend upon it. Foremost

:43:18. > :43:22.in our minds wherever we live in the UK should be the future of our young

:43:23. > :43:25.people. I know from my own home and friends of my son is just how

:43:26. > :43:29.strongly they feel. It is not just a media fantasy but rightly or wrongly

:43:30. > :43:35.many young people now feel that the 60% of our older generation who

:43:36. > :43:39.voted to leave have the opportunity of the youngest generation who voted

:43:40. > :43:44.to remain. We have above all else to show and give these young people

:43:45. > :43:49.help. Direct democracy has let them down in a way ripped representative

:43:50. > :43:52.democracy would not do but we have to offer them the opportunity to

:43:53. > :43:56.study and work across Europe and the world as they would wish to do so

:43:57. > :43:59.and we need to facilitate this and the potential absence of the many

:44:00. > :44:04.schemes available currently within the existing EU and welcome others

:44:05. > :44:07.to the UK in exchange. Just a few weeks ago, and on all sides of this

:44:08. > :44:12.chamber, members spoke with passion and commitment for the UK's

:44:13. > :44:15.continued membership of the European Union. I argued I hope and believe

:44:16. > :44:21.not on the basis of why we should not leave but why we should remain.

:44:22. > :44:23.I will always argue for the most positive, productive and engaging

:44:24. > :44:27.relationship with Europe but now it is necessary for us to meet the

:44:28. > :44:30.challenge few of us sort and we need to meet it with steely purpose and

:44:31. > :44:38.with an agreed unity of purpose and with a message of hope, however

:44:39. > :44:50.individuals may define it, our Judy T is now to find the best result for

:44:51. > :44:53.the people of Scotland. I wish to thank all of those who have

:44:54. > :44:58.participated in the debate today and also echoed the First Minister's

:44:59. > :45:02.pride in the decision voters in Scotland took to decisively vote in

:45:03. > :45:06.favour of Scotland and the UK's continuing membership of the EU.

:45:07. > :45:14.Just reflecting on the contribution, I think Jackson Carla does protest

:45:15. > :45:26.too much and it is about time the Conservatives face up to what they

:45:27. > :45:31.have done. It doesn't behold him to lash out to other people and other

:45:32. > :45:35.members in this chamber. Some of the members today have contributed about

:45:36. > :45:39.how they felt personally, as Willie Rennie did, some about their

:45:40. > :45:43.constituents and how they feel, some have talked about the immediate

:45:44. > :45:48.consequences of the referendum vote and some about the nature of the

:45:49. > :45:53.campaign that was fought, and some about the immediate aftermath. Many

:45:54. > :45:59.have focused on the result itself, the emphatic 62% of Scots who chose

:46:00. > :46:06.to remain, but also I thought it was a very passionate speech when Kezia

:46:07. > :46:10.Dugdale asked us to understand that in some places in some cases people

:46:11. > :46:14.voted to leave out of a sense of powerlessness and a need for change,

:46:15. > :46:20.and we also have to think through the consequences of that and Patrick

:46:21. > :46:23.Harvie was correct to identify that there was space provided for

:46:24. > :46:27.division and fear and hatred to be engendered and that has to be

:46:28. > :46:31.confronted and faced on in all of our politics as we go ahead.

:46:32. > :46:36.Christina McHale be talked about rights and respectful citizens of

:46:37. > :46:41.the EU and many of the contributions we have had today have talked about

:46:42. > :46:43.EU citizens living here. The Europe minister visited two businesses

:46:44. > :46:49.yesterday morning in Edinburgh, owned by EU nationals, to hear

:46:50. > :46:53.first-hand why they chose to make Scotland their home, and to make

:46:54. > :46:56.clear to them that their contribution is valued, and right

:46:57. > :47:00.across Scotland employers organisations and industries have

:47:01. > :47:02.been publishing messages and making statements stressing the continued

:47:03. > :47:08.welcome for their friends and colleagues. A professor from the

:47:09. > :47:12.University of Glasgow State on Friday that the university was

:47:13. > :47:15.founded in the European tradition and nothing will change their

:47:16. > :47:20.international outlook. He told his colleagues and the students from the

:47:21. > :47:23.EU just how much this University values the contribution to the

:47:24. > :47:27.community and they are vital and important part of the University.

:47:28. > :47:32.The head of NHS Scotland has stated that he values the contribution of

:47:33. > :47:36.every member of staff in NHS Scotland regardless of citizenship.

:47:37. > :47:39.The EU referendum has not changed that. The principle of the Royal

:47:40. > :47:51.conservator of Scotland emphasises that our EU people will be welcome.

:47:52. > :47:55.I think we can all agree that however each of us voted that the

:47:56. > :48:00.Scottish Government has a responsibility to provide

:48:01. > :48:03.reassurance to the 173,000 EU citizens that have chosen to make

:48:04. > :48:07.Scotland their home and the First Minister head of this debate has

:48:08. > :48:15.already outlined the actions we are taking to provide that reassurance.

:48:16. > :48:19.I met yesterday with many ambassadors who have citizens living

:48:20. > :48:23.here and I underlined our commitment to the interests of their citizens

:48:24. > :48:27.and I think it is important that we do ensure that welcome is known. We

:48:28. > :48:31.have always argued in this government about the benefits of EU

:48:32. > :48:35.migration and that is a consistent part of our message and I was

:48:36. > :48:41.saddened and angered the way some used or seek to use in a wholly

:48:42. > :48:46.misleading way migration as a way to encourage people to leave. Claire

:48:47. > :48:49.Adamson gave a clarion call in a very powerful speech about how all

:48:50. > :48:56.of us going forward must face up and face down that behaviour. We cannot

:48:57. > :48:59.express the Scottish Government welcome more clearly than the First

:49:00. > :49:05.Minister on Friday morning. Scotland is your home, you're welcome here

:49:06. > :49:09.and your contribution is valued. I also want to emphasise that in my

:49:10. > :49:15.discussions with the ambassadors yesterday I told them about this

:49:16. > :49:18.debate and that it was a motion about how approval to take forward

:49:19. > :49:25.and protect Scotland's interests in the EU and that all options would be

:49:26. > :49:28.assessed, and they was not -- that we were not asking Parliament will

:49:29. > :49:33.support about the referendum. Despite my disappointment in the UK

:49:34. > :49:35.result I want to stress again the commitment of the Scottish

:49:36. > :49:40.Government in ensuring that all of Scotland's interests and those of

:49:41. > :49:44.our citizens are protected at this most uncertain of times. The

:49:45. > :49:54.Scottish Government will take that forward. We spoke about the economic

:49:55. > :49:57.aspects and some direct dialogue is happening already about how to

:49:58. > :50:01.ensure that our business interests are protected. We must also think

:50:02. > :50:09.about how we do it and who we do it with. We spoke about the financial

:50:10. > :50:14.services industry in the city. How do we expect the financial services

:50:15. > :50:19.in the city of Edinburgh to be advanced without the opportunity to

:50:20. > :50:23.engage directly, and I bear in mind that the financial services

:50:24. > :50:26.commission has resigned. Although there may be similar interests with

:50:27. > :50:30.the financial services in London, there will also be different

:50:31. > :50:35.interests and it is very important that we explore all options and we

:50:36. > :50:39.understand that. I want to turn to Oliver Mundell in particular who

:50:40. > :50:43.said there is no need to jump to hasty conclusions. In terms of our

:50:44. > :50:48.engagement, we are seeking urgent talks with the UK Government on its

:50:49. > :50:56.plans for a withdrawal but I make it clear that no one has any idea what

:50:57. > :51:02.those plans are. His perspective, to wait and see is at best passive, but

:51:03. > :51:12.actually worse is a complete and utter abdication of responsibility.

:51:13. > :51:15.If you listen to the tone of the Conservatives, both sides of remain

:51:16. > :51:22.and leave our acting and behaving as they wish it hadn't happened. Our

:51:23. > :51:27.job and responsibility is to take forward Scotland's interests and I

:51:28. > :51:30.will ensure that we have dialogue with our colleagues across the

:51:31. > :51:35.United Kingdom. We have said quite clearly that Scotland must have a

:51:36. > :51:40.clear role in the UK negotiation and, indeed, the Prime Minister has

:51:41. > :51:44.confirmed that but we do need a seat at the table and we can't have a

:51:45. > :51:47.repeat of the situation of the last year in terms of the negotiations

:51:48. > :51:51.and in terms of David Cameron's work that we were locked out of. It is

:51:52. > :51:56.unclear how these developments will be taken forward but I have met with

:51:57. > :51:59.the Secretary of State for Scotland on Friday and I'm due to have a full

:52:00. > :52:03.call with Europe minister tomorrow and it is important that we ensure

:52:04. > :52:07.that we have an opportunity to look at all options but we must have a

:52:08. > :52:13.direct engagement to ensure that all options can be explored with EU

:52:14. > :52:17.institutions as well as with the United Kingdom. Many members have

:52:18. > :52:23.cited different arguments for economic benefit from the EU, that

:52:24. > :52:27.the access to the single market, the valuable social and human rights,

:52:28. > :52:32.the importance of being able to pool sovereignty and look bigger issues

:52:33. > :52:35.such as global challenges and tapping pollution and climate change

:52:36. > :52:39.and the refugee crisis. We don't have to look too far back in history

:52:40. > :52:43.to acknowledge the importance of corporation in the EU over complex.

:52:44. > :52:58.That is something we must always remember. I am proud that this

:52:59. > :53:01.chamber the debate a month ago step forward the positive case for

:53:02. > :53:03.membership, free from the fear -based campaigning we saw on both

:53:04. > :53:06.sides during the closing stages. The benefits will realise from our EU

:53:07. > :53:09.membership were as real last week as they are this week and in voting to

:53:10. > :53:11.remain the people of Scotland have recognised that and that is why the

:53:12. > :53:14.Scottish Government is committed to be examining all options open to it

:53:15. > :53:17.and preserving its relationship with the EU so these benefits can

:53:18. > :53:20.continue to be realised and we will engage directly with European states

:53:21. > :53:23.and institutions and the UK Government and I met with the

:53:24. > :53:27.Secretary of State, as I said, and I am talking to the UK's Europe

:53:28. > :53:31.minister, and we continue our engagement in Brussels and other

:53:32. > :53:35.member states. If we are to advance our interest in law and business and

:53:36. > :53:40.jobs and environment, we must identify what the options are within

:53:41. > :53:45.the EU institutions and the member states. In doing so we can build on

:53:46. > :53:54.the work of the European external affairs committee report which was

:53:55. > :53:59.set out and I can reassure many that I will make sure opposition members

:54:00. > :54:03.and spokespeople are informed. We have the benefit in Scotland of

:54:04. > :54:08.taking this work forward with advice and information and knowledge and

:54:09. > :54:11.wisdom from a standing Council on Europe, as announced by the First

:54:12. > :54:19.Minister, to look at all the options that we can take forward in pursuing

:54:20. > :54:24.our interest. In terms of where we are now, we are in a unique and

:54:25. > :54:28.unprecedented situation and we are in uncharted waters and there is no

:54:29. > :54:34.obvious route forward but together we must find a route forward and I

:54:35. > :54:39.am confident that we as a parliament can work collaboratively going

:54:40. > :54:43.forward, taking all actions in the best interests of Scotland. The

:54:44. > :54:49.people of Scotland sent us here in our election a few weeks ago to

:54:50. > :54:53.represent us -- them and stand up for their interests. We have a clear

:54:54. > :54:56.responsibility and duty to work together, not just across this

:54:57. > :54:59.chamber but together with the experience and knowledge and wisdom

:55:00. > :55:03.of the standing council and beyond to make sure that we identify,

:55:04. > :55:10.protect and advance the Scotland interest in the EU. It is in that

:55:11. > :55:16.spirit and that intent that I would urge members to think forward in the

:55:17. > :55:20.case of Scotland, not just where we have been recently in this campaign,

:55:21. > :55:25.but where we want Scotland to be in the future. We might not have a

:55:26. > :55:28.charted route forward but if we have a commitment and a common endeavour

:55:29. > :55:33.and we have the interest of Scotland clearly in our focus I think this

:55:34. > :55:39.Parliament, working together, can achieve much in difficult times. So

:55:40. > :55:42.I would urge all members to think about the opportunities that lie

:55:43. > :55:45.ahead, the challenges that lie ahead, be realistic about what they

:55:46. > :55:47.may be, but let's come together and give endorsement that that work

:55:48. > :55:58.should and must take place. That concludes the debate on the

:55:59. > :56:06.implications of the EU referendum for Scotland. It is time to move

:56:07. > :56:11.onto the next item business. Aramid amendments 44-68 and opposition

:56:12. > :56:16.amendment 181 relating to investment relief. Klaus and 76 extends

:56:17. > :56:21.entrepreneur relief to external investors in in listed companies up

:56:22. > :56:22.in a 10% rate of capital gains tax accruing on