Spotlight Special

:00:36. > :00:41.Hello and welcome to this Spotlight special when our studio audience

:00:41. > :00:49.has a chance to put questions to our panel, some of whom take

:00:49. > :00:56.decisions which affect our daily lives. We had Sinn Fein's education

:00:56. > :01:01.minister. The rights campaigner Chris Morgan. Justice Minister and

:01:01. > :01:11.Alliance leader David Ford. The national media lawyer Paul Tweed.

:01:11. > :01:16.

:01:16. > :01:24.The DUP MLA for North Antrim, Ian Questions tonight come from members

:01:24. > :01:34.of our studio audience that it is just as important that you contact

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:01:46. > :01:53.at your standard rate. Our first question is from a CAA her from

:01:53. > :01:57.Belfast. Are we expected to believe that welfare reform is about

:01:57. > :02:01.encouraging people back to work, then there are no jobs?

:02:01. > :02:06.Assembly has been debating the Welfare Reform Bill, a Westminster

:02:06. > :02:14.Bill which has the aim of making it easier for people to work than on

:02:14. > :02:21.benefits. We have to start this one with you. The question is, can it

:02:21. > :02:25.work? If the jobs were there it might work. The problem is the jobs

:02:25. > :02:30.are not there and additionally, quite a lot of the reforms affect

:02:30. > :02:35.people already working, so some of the benefits let disability living

:02:35. > :02:38.allowance, these are benefits that people in work actually get. So the

:02:39. > :02:44.idea that it is really just about encouraging people into work and

:02:44. > :02:50.not about cutting costs... But they will continue to get those benefits.

:02:50. > :02:53.It is not that simple at all. For example, in the case of Disability

:02:53. > :02:57.living Allowance, which will be replaced by the universal credit,

:02:57. > :03:02.we really do not know yet, from Britain and not just from here, how

:03:02. > :03:08.that will work. We have been told that people with mental health

:03:08. > :03:12.difficulties and perhaps even people with learning disabilities

:03:12. > :03:18.will not be looked after in quite the same way, and this is from

:03:18. > :03:22.Britain, by the personal independence payment. Campaigners

:03:22. > :03:28.would hope that the Assembly would actually look clause by clause, not

:03:28. > :03:34.just this all or nothing approach, to throw it out or go back to

:03:34. > :03:38.Westminster, whatever, but actually do their jobs as elected

:03:38. > :03:46.representatives and draws applause go through the bill and say, what

:03:46. > :03:54.is there when -- go through it clause by clause and say, what do

:03:54. > :04:01.we want for Northern Ireland? party wants to defer it. Why?

:04:01. > :04:03.those exact reasons. It also needs a clause by clause informed

:04:04. > :04:12.negotiation with the British Government and we have had several

:04:12. > :04:17.discussions both at a party level, an Executive level, we have had

:04:17. > :04:22.platitudes today. There has been no change in the fundamentals around

:04:22. > :04:28.the bill. This is not about putting people back in employment. It is

:04:28. > :04:35.about cutting money. It is about an attempt to bring us out in -- out

:04:35. > :04:39.of recession. We are saying, send a clear message to the British

:04:39. > :04:45.Government that the Assembly will not introduce a flawed bill that

:04:45. > :04:49.will not meet the needs of the people here. All the Executive

:04:49. > :04:55.parties showed a determined voice to the British Government that we

:04:55. > :04:59.will influence policy. Your party has accused Sinn Fein of breast-

:04:59. > :05:03.beating, but there are no jobs for people to be encouraged into, are

:05:03. > :05:08.they? We have to separate these matters into their proper areas.

:05:08. > :05:12.Yes, there is a recession. There is a complete lack of jobs and funding

:05:12. > :05:19.opportunities. But we are dealing with welfare reforms. Let's deal

:05:19. > :05:24.with that. The facts of the matter of this, I do not like the welfare

:05:24. > :05:30.reforms being introduced by Westminster. That is why I voted

:05:30. > :05:33.against it in wealth that -- in Westminster. That is why I did my

:05:33. > :05:39.job there. It is unfortunate that other members and other parties

:05:39. > :05:44.elected to Westminster did not do that as well. They could have

:05:44. > :05:47.played, Sinn Fein in particular, a more active role in addressing this

:05:47. > :05:52.issue where it ought to have been addressed. In terms of where we are

:05:52. > :06:00.now in our Assembly, which was passed to implement Parity issues...

:06:00. > :06:04.It does not matter whether... are a crown minister, you will be

:06:04. > :06:11.implemented in these measures no matter how much you beat your chest

:06:11. > :06:18.tonight. No, we don't have to... We can shape the legislation... John,

:06:18. > :06:23.you will have your turn again. will be implementing these changes.

:06:23. > :06:30.That is the bottom line. You should not treat your electorate and the

:06:30. > :06:38.people at their like... Are there are three issues... Address the

:06:38. > :06:42.jobs issue. We do not change the issues by killing the bill, even

:06:42. > :06:46.though I do not like it. We change it by amending it, by negotiation

:06:46. > :06:52.and by talking to the public. That is why our minister has been back

:06:53. > :06:56.and forward on these issues and why, during the negotiations that the

:06:56. > :06:59.Assembly will go through, we should try to get three changes. We should

:06:59. > :07:07.try to make sure that direct payments are made not to the

:07:07. > :07:15.individual who has to claim the benefits, but to the landlord Stott

:07:15. > :07:23.-- but to the landlord... Let me stop you there. These are key

:07:23. > :07:28.issues that affect the individuals. The other key issue is... You have

:07:28. > :07:33.been talking for a long time. Let David Ford answer the question. You

:07:34. > :07:39.have had a long answer. You may say they are tinkering. The reality is

:07:39. > :07:43.we do not have the choice to set up our own welfare system. We will be

:07:44. > :07:48.spending in excess of �2 million a week do not have. We would have to

:07:48. > :07:52.set up our own computer system. We simply cannot do it. It is a

:07:52. > :07:55.fiction to suggest that in any meaningful sense we could change

:07:56. > :08:00.the welfare system. What we can do is what has been described as

:08:00. > :08:05.tinkering around the edges, which is finding things like direct

:08:05. > :08:10.payment to landlords, looking out weekly payments rather than monthly

:08:10. > :08:15.payments. Buyers are areas where we do have some latitude. -- those are

:08:15. > :08:20.some areas where we have some latitude. Blocking the bill will

:08:20. > :08:24.result in all our constituents on the 1st April losing their benefits,

:08:24. > :08:27.losing access to things like the Social Fund as they currently exist,

:08:27. > :08:31.and we will all be the poorer for it. You do not get anywhere

:08:31. > :08:36.negotiating with the current Government by saying, we will harm

:08:36. > :08:40.our constituents. You are a chief Executive officer, you presumably

:08:40. > :08:47.create jobs at some level. Do you think the politicians are talking

:08:47. > :08:52.about the right issues? I work across west Belfast and Shankill on

:08:52. > :08:56.employment policy, trying to get people into employment. The

:08:56. > :09:01.underlying concern I have is that if we are to move people into the

:09:01. > :09:04.employment, you have to have jobs there, but all the evidence shows

:09:04. > :09:12.the jobs are coming at higher levels requiring higher skills

:09:12. > :09:15.levels. The areas I work in, you are talking 70 to 80% of the

:09:15. > :09:18.population have low or no qualifications. What am not seeing

:09:18. > :09:21.are the back-up policies and the programmes that are going to help

:09:22. > :09:31.those people get the appropriate levels of skills to get jobs in the

:09:31. > :09:39.future. Given that this is the opportunity for us all to work

:09:39. > :09:47.together rather than mud-slinging, could we not join in one common

:09:47. > :09:51.cause to work for each one of the population in this country, and two

:09:51. > :10:00.were positively and constructively, instead of this clause by clause

:10:00. > :10:07.more time-wasting? Whip are not only at the 11th hour, but the 12th

:10:07. > :10:13.hour. Can we just move on instead of being negative, and why can we

:10:13. > :10:18.not see this as an opportunity? I have had mental health needs for

:10:18. > :10:22.things myself, so if I had not had a hope all these years I would not

:10:22. > :10:30.be able even to speak about it. What is your perspective, Paul

:10:30. > :10:35.Tweed? I think this legislation will inevitably be passed in

:10:35. > :10:40.Northern Ireland. We have to focus on two core issues, employment and

:10:40. > :10:43.jobs, and secondly, on ensuring that the most needy get the benefit

:10:43. > :10:49.of money that is going to be available after all this. In

:10:49. > :10:53.relation to jobs, I am an employer and I am absolutely depressed with

:10:53. > :10:58.the number of young students coming in looking for training contracts

:10:58. > :11:01.with us and we are just having to say no, there is no prospect at all.

:11:01. > :11:06.It has been a major challenge for my firm to keep people in work. We

:11:06. > :11:11.have managed to do that during this very difficult recession and I

:11:11. > :11:17.think it is lightly important that we do not waste time trying to

:11:17. > :11:23.fight of legislation. -- righty important. It is important that we

:11:23. > :11:26.try to look at how to get jobs. I spent two months in the United

:11:26. > :11:31.States this summer trying to encourage people to come to Belfast,

:11:31. > :11:35.open businesses in Belfast. We have a lot going for us at the moment,

:11:35. > :11:38.particularly with the good feelings that the golfers have produced for

:11:38. > :11:48.us and we have to concentrate our energy on getting jobs into the

:11:48. > :11:55.

:11:55. > :12:00.What about this mud slinging? of the things we are united on is

:12:00. > :12:05.that we want to see corporation tax, a reduction, brought to Northern

:12:05. > :12:09.Ireland. The power to reduce that tax. That will give the ministers,

:12:09. > :12:12.that will give the Executive, that will give the Assembly the ability

:12:12. > :12:15.to woe and attract new potential employers to Northern Ireland on

:12:15. > :12:19.the basis that there will be a lower tax take from them. They will

:12:19. > :12:23.be able to put that money back into resource and development and create

:12:23. > :12:27.more employment. We do need to generate more employment. Everyone

:12:27. > :12:31.knows around here, the world is going through a recession. It's

:12:31. > :12:36.hard on everyone. It's particularly hard on us because we are on the

:12:36. > :12:41.edge, of the edge of the periphery. Sir. No-one has mentioned what a

:12:41. > :12:45.lot of people feel this could be, an attack by a Tory government on

:12:45. > :12:49.the working-class and the poor. If they are trying to save �10 billion

:12:49. > :12:54.of the welfare reform, it's the most poor and most vulnerable

:12:55. > :12:58.people in society who will suffer. That is the latest round the �10

:12:58. > :13:02.billion? The banks caused the recession, we should be taxing the

:13:02. > :13:08.banks and tack taxing the rich and having a fair distribution of

:13:08. > :13:11.wealth within the society. You, sir. I find it interesting listening to

:13:11. > :13:15.politicians in the Assembly wringing their hands about job

:13:15. > :13:19.creation when they wasted an amazing opportunity with the green

:13:19. > :13:25.new deal to create 2,000 real jobs that would have made warmer homes

:13:25. > :13:32.for some of our poorest people and saved us money in the winter

:13:32. > :13:37.payment, �12 million was spent on boilers. That is major job creation

:13:37. > :13:43.wasted by your party. You did nothing to stop it. Neither did you.

:13:43. > :13:48.Failure by the Executive to stand up to a shocking decision by the

:13:48. > :13:52.DUP. Absolutely shocking. Lots going on here. Address this

:13:52. > :13:59.question. These welfare reforms are coming in very soon. The jobs will

:13:59. > :14:03.be a long time in the pipeline? Paisley Jr told this audience and

:14:03. > :14:08.the listeners beyond this studio that he does not agree with the

:14:08. > :14:12.Welfare Reform Bill. I voted against it. Shefrpblgts prepared to

:14:12. > :14:17.introduce the same Bill even though he opposed it. So will you? We will

:14:17. > :14:20.not support the bill as currently framed. We have brought forward

:14:20. > :14:24.reasonable amendments and we are involved in negotiations with the

:14:24. > :14:29.British government. The DUP are saying, we are negotiating with it

:14:29. > :14:32.and accused us of a sham fight. With serious consequences. They are

:14:32. > :14:39.involved in a sham negotiation. They are sitting here saying, we

:14:39. > :14:44.don't like it... If it costs us �200 million... You are shaking

:14:44. > :14:49.your head. That is pulled out of the air. If the Welfare Reform Bill

:14:49. > :14:54.is introduced it will remove �500 million of spending power from the

:14:54. > :15:00.economy here over two-and-a-half years. �500 million will be

:15:00. > :15:04.withdrawn. You have the facts and figures. DUP says it will cost us

:15:04. > :15:09.�200 million if we don't go-ahead and retain parity, the same

:15:09. > :15:12.benefits all over the United Kingdom. It is possible for us to

:15:12. > :15:15.maintain parity and yet have some differences. There is no way, for

:15:15. > :15:21.example, we can stop universial credit coming. In I would like to,

:15:21. > :15:31.we would not be able to. Thank you. You will support. It I was going to

:15:31. > :15:39.give some examples where we could make difference s. We could decide,

:15:39. > :15:41.for example, to exclude the most vulnerable, the people who are

:15:41. > :15:44.severely disabled from the assessment procedure for the

:15:44. > :15:49.personal independence paymept. We would not bring in the bedroom tax,

:15:49. > :15:53.the under occupancy until we have a housing stock that is suitable for

:15:53. > :15:58.our families. If we did those things and costed them I believe

:15:58. > :16:05.the politicians that they are looking to see what changes we can

:16:05. > :16:15.make and how... Some of those changes... We have to go to the

:16:15. > :16:17.

:16:17. > :16:25.audience. Ian Paisley Jr cut about cutting corporation tax. Many

:16:25. > :16:30.companies show that handouts to big business don't provide jobs. We

:16:30. > :16:35.should be using the money wasted by Invest NI to create decent jobs and

:16:35. > :16:38.stimulate the local economy. lady in front. I think this lady

:16:38. > :16:44.has made great sense because, yes, welfare reform is necessary and I

:16:44. > :16:50.think we would all agree with that. The timing is probable wrong. I

:16:50. > :16:55.think, I suppose, there is no such thing as a good time. We don't have

:16:55. > :16:59.the houses. We don't the facilities. We don't have the jobs. People are

:16:59. > :17:04.dealing with huge levels of anxiety. I work in the voluntary sector.

:17:04. > :17:08.They are distraught at the minute as to what their future will look

:17:08. > :17:12.like with the potential of losing work and not knowing what way their

:17:12. > :17:17.benefits will pan out. They can't budget. The whole thing is

:17:17. > :17:22.catastrophic at the moment. The idea that something else is coming

:17:22. > :17:26.in is detrimental to everybody. need to move on. Thank you for that

:17:26. > :17:30.question. Second question is from Mr Bell a student from Bangor.

:17:30. > :17:35.Doesn't the defeat of equal marriage at the Assembly last week

:17:35. > :17:40.send out the wrong message to young people suffering from homophobic

:17:40. > :17:45.bullying? The Assembly or the motion did not pass the Assembly

:17:45. > :17:53.because the DUP made it a petition of concern. It meant it needed

:17:53. > :17:58.cross community support. You said in the past you are repulsed by it

:17:58. > :18:01.you voted against it? I am not a member of the Assembly. Your party

:18:01. > :18:07.didn't support it. You would have supported that position. I believe

:18:07. > :18:11.that marriage is, as the law defined since 1866, between one man

:18:11. > :18:17.and one woman. I think that people should respect that. That is the

:18:17. > :18:21.law. I think, more importantingly, that to change that so fund

:18:21. > :18:25.mentally and to turn around and say, we will change it to a man and a

:18:25. > :18:29.man and a woman and a woman, that attacks my rights and the rights of

:18:29. > :18:35.hundreds of thousands of people in society who believe that marriage

:18:35. > :18:41.is between a man and a woman. are entitled to retain that belief?

:18:41. > :18:44.I think you undermine something which is for a whole host of

:18:44. > :18:47.reasons has deep seated respect and honour across this society. If we

:18:47. > :18:51.do that, I think that we will undermine the rights and liberties

:18:52. > :18:56.of a host of people. I think that if people want, for example, and

:18:56. > :19:01.they are entitled in law to get into civil... Giving people more

:19:01. > :19:04.rights would undermine rights, I don't understand that? They are

:19:04. > :19:08.entitled to get into civil partnerships. Why has the notion of

:19:08. > :19:12.marriage have to be taken away and polluted in that way? I think that

:19:12. > :19:17.is wrong. I think we should stand up for marriage, Champion marriage

:19:17. > :19:22.and protect marriage. Goretti Horgan? I'm not into marriage all

:19:22. > :19:26.that much myself. As a socialist I support the right of anybody who is

:19:26. > :19:29.in a loving relationship to get married if that that is what they

:19:29. > :19:33.want. I think a bigger issue for Northern Ireland is the issue of

:19:33. > :19:37.gay adoption. I have friends who are bringing up children together...

:19:37. > :19:40.We must try and stick to the question, if we can. It is only

:19:40. > :19:50.fair. As we speak, our Attorney- General, I don't know on whose

:19:50. > :19:54.behalf he is doing, is intervening in a case on the... We are going

:19:54. > :19:58.down a road we are not ready to go down. I support the right for

:19:58. > :20:02.equality for everybody. I don't believe that Ian is right in saying

:20:02. > :20:08.that giving rights to one group of people undermines everybody else's

:20:08. > :20:13.rights. Why should it? As far as I'm aware we live in a democracy.

:20:13. > :20:16.Everyone should have the right to choose how they live their life. My

:20:16. > :20:21.concern on this is that Northern Ireland does not want to give the

:20:21. > :20:26.impression to the outside world we are some form of backward or

:20:26. > :20:29.intolerant society. We are doing a good job of doing that. This would

:20:29. > :20:34.be another scenario where we have to move with the times. People

:20:34. > :20:38.should have the right to choose. The man in the front row there.

:20:38. > :20:43.pointed out there that you said "your rights and hundreds of

:20:43. > :20:47.thousands of people's rights would be affected" a person's right to

:20:47. > :20:52.freedom ends when you encroach on the civil liberties of other person.

:20:52. > :20:59.What makes you different from me? Your civil liberties aren't

:20:59. > :21:08.affected by choosing the term marriage. Can you have a civil

:21:08. > :21:14.partnership? That's not marriage. Why have a two-tier system? The law

:21:14. > :21:18.is 1860 is a man to a woman. Change it? There is a definition of

:21:18. > :21:23.marriage. Change the definition. And say you are a woman. You are

:21:24. > :21:31.clearly not, you are a man. The definition of marriage is a man to

:21:31. > :21:35.a woman. That is what the law says. We are saying relationships can

:21:35. > :21:40.change. Let him speak. My point is you are saying, you are basing it

:21:40. > :21:45.on the biblical sense of one man and one women. If you believe in

:21:45. > :21:49.the biblical sense of slavery. You cherry pick what is right to

:21:49. > :21:53.your own argument and use them to your own ends.

:21:53. > :21:59.APPLAUSE I will let you answer. There is a

:21:59. > :22:02.lot of people to get involved. didn't introduce the issue of the

:22:02. > :22:12.Bible into the conversation. Ian. Will you have plenty of an

:22:12. > :22:13.

:22:13. > :22:16.opportunity to talk. No, I won't. This man. My question is Ian

:22:16. > :22:21.Paisley Jr is speaking about our society and what our society is

:22:21. > :22:25.built upon and undermining our society... Ian. This is not the Ian

:22:25. > :22:32.Paisley Show. There are a lot of people who want to say something

:22:32. > :22:35.here. Would you allow me to conduct the debate. My question is, Mr Ian

:22:35. > :22:39.Paisley Jr is speaking about our society and what our society is

:22:39. > :22:44.built upon. We have a situation where in the Scottish Parliament is

:22:44. > :22:48.looking like it will pass this motion, David Cameron today in fact

:22:48. > :22:51.said that he is still dedicated to making sure equal marriage goes

:22:51. > :22:55.through in England and Wales am we are looking at a situation in

:22:55. > :22:58.Scotland, England and Wales there will be full equal marriage quality

:22:58. > :23:02.and in Northern Ireland there won't be. Once again, we will be behind

:23:02. > :23:05.the times on that. It will be a ridiculous situation. Whereas the

:23:05. > :23:10.member and citizen of Northern Ireland I could go to England,

:23:10. > :23:16.Scotland and Wales and get married and come home here and find the

:23:16. > :23:20.unionist government has ensured my marriage is not recognised what so

:23:20. > :23:25.ever. David Ford your party said same-sex marriage was a policy.

:23:25. > :23:29.Half your party didn't turn up on the vote and one allegedly voted

:23:29. > :23:35.against it. What message is Alliance sending out? It is an

:23:35. > :23:41.issue that is very difficult. We had a good question about jobs that

:23:41. > :23:49.got hijacked. We had a serious question about homophobic bullying

:23:49. > :23:54.we are having a spat about the marriage issue. I have to deal with

:23:54. > :23:56.it in the context of hate crime. There is also issue about

:23:56. > :24:01.homophobic hate crime which gets swept under the carpet because

:24:01. > :24:05.people don't want to talk about. It it's an issue for John in terms of

:24:05. > :24:09.schools and in terms of further and higher education. We need to

:24:09. > :24:13.address the issue of how all our citizens are treated in that

:24:13. > :24:17.respect. Not happened with your party having a split personality on

:24:17. > :24:23.it? Those who took the same line as Ian has just put forward, because

:24:23. > :24:27.they have a particular issue about marriage, are not necessarily

:24:27. > :24:32.supporting homophobia. questioner has linked the two?

:24:32. > :24:38.not sure the link entirely works. I will give you an xarm example, one

:24:38. > :24:44.of my MLAs who abstained because of his religious beliefs about the

:24:44. > :24:48.word "ministerage "wtion who made an issue on the ban on gay blood

:24:48. > :24:51.donation. There are issues about how we provide equality across

:24:51. > :24:55.society. There are particular difficulties with some people that

:24:55. > :25:01.need to be recognised in the term "marriage." We have a society that

:25:01. > :25:07.is changing to recognise the rights of all. Why is it a party policy if

:25:07. > :25:10.the party is not going to follow it? The majority of our represent

:25:10. > :25:16.ifs will. In the motion that came forward in the Assembly we did not

:25:16. > :25:19.have more than half of us. You have been waiting. It's interesting that

:25:19. > :25:23.Ian used the legislative definition. He didn't use the Bible in that

:25:23. > :25:27.debate. That call noose question, legislators are elected to make

:25:27. > :25:30.laws and change laws. If he is relying on the legislative

:25:30. > :25:34.definition of marriage that can be changed. In my opinion, it should

:25:34. > :25:40.be changed. It won't be. Well, we have been told that around these

:25:40. > :25:44.islands it's changing all the time. I have sat in numerous studios with

:25:44. > :25:48.unionist politicians who told me something won't happen and it does

:25:48. > :25:52.happen. Like welfare reform? believe that given the debate in

:25:52. > :25:57.the Assembly, given there was a narrow vote on it and changing

:25:57. > :26:01.public opinions in regard this matter, a more openness in our

:26:01. > :26:06.society to think differently to we once dead that marriage equality

:26:06. > :26:16.for homosexual relationships will come into play. The gentleman here.

:26:16. > :26:16.

:26:16. > :26:21.Because we can't examine the relationship because we don't have

:26:21. > :26:25.transparency to financial donations it means we can't see who are

:26:25. > :26:35.pulling the strings. We don't know if it is something they believe in

:26:35. > :26:46.

:26:46. > :26:50.or something their supporters Surely you have a right to protect

:26:50. > :26:56.your home without repercussions. Tony Martin was jailed for shooting

:26:56. > :27:01.someone who intruded into his home. The question is, is your home

:27:01. > :27:08.Newcastle and what should you or should you not be allowed to do?

:27:08. > :27:10.am not sure exactly what the Justice Secretary his planning for

:27:10. > :27:13.England and Wales but it seems to me what is going through is a

:27:13. > :27:20.process in which having an established common-law definition

:27:20. > :27:24.which applies in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, you are entitled

:27:24. > :27:30.to use reasonable force to defend your property and to defend

:27:30. > :27:33.yourself and other people. This has been put into law or ready for

:27:33. > :27:38.England and Wales which simply codified what has been common law

:27:38. > :27:43.for centuries, and now it seems they are going a bit further. It

:27:43. > :27:47.has been done in the speech at the Tory conference. A different

:27:47. > :27:51.question is what appears in legislation at Westminster. I am

:27:51. > :27:58.not convinced it is anything more than a speech for the party

:27:58. > :28:03.faithful. What we already have in Northern Ireland is about defence

:28:03. > :28:09.and we do not need to codify it because the common law is clear.

:28:09. > :28:13.The Tory party conference has been interesting. They have created

:28:13. > :28:19.headlines around every think other than the rail issue, which we need

:28:19. > :28:24.to be discussing. I think this has been on purpose. The law says you

:28:24. > :28:30.can use reasonable force to defend yourself and your family home. I do

:28:31. > :28:35.not see any need for anything more. Took -- two men went to jail for

:28:35. > :28:44.defending their homes. One was jailed because he took unlawful

:28:44. > :28:51.action. Do find that. The court decided whether he was in the law

:28:51. > :28:56.or not. I am not in a position to qualify that but if a law is set it

:28:56. > :29:01.is up to a gentle and jury whether the law has been breached or not.

:29:01. > :29:05.But what should you be allowed to do to defend your home, Paul Tweed?

:29:05. > :29:10.If you are in your bedroom and you find somebody there with a baseball

:29:10. > :29:13.bat, you know it is not Santa clause. So you are going to react

:29:13. > :29:18.whatever way were instincts tell you. That would be to defend

:29:18. > :29:21.yourself, think of your family and at the end of the day, it is very

:29:21. > :29:25.difficult for any clarification of the law to help you in that

:29:25. > :29:30.situation because you are not going to start thinking, am are going to

:29:30. > :29:35.go after this guy it with a baseball bat myself? And you do not

:29:35. > :29:40.have time to think of that. People are struggling about whether we are

:29:40. > :29:48.going towards the American way aware not only can you defend

:29:48. > :29:53.yourself if you find somebody in your bedroom, but if you manage to

:29:53. > :29:56.produce a shotgun while he is running out, is that right? That

:29:56. > :30:01.cannot be right. There is a difference between defending

:30:01. > :30:05.yourself and your property and seeking retribution. We mentioned

:30:05. > :30:09.Mr Hussein who chased after people who had held him captive and beat

:30:10. > :30:13.one of them with a cricket bat, leaving him with brain damage. He

:30:13. > :30:18.was sentenced to jail but the sentence was reduced and suspended

:30:18. > :30:25.because the judge said the call of Mercy had to be answered and this

:30:25. > :30:31.seemed exceptional circumstances. am not to gone on vigilante law.

:30:31. > :30:36.That is not vigilante law. He did run after them. To be perfectly

:30:36. > :30:40.honest, I think what David has said is absolutely right. The judge and

:30:40. > :30:46.jury can decide these things, but I thought that question was being

:30:46. > :30:52.asked about people who were likely to be evicted because of a result

:30:52. > :30:57.of the welfare reforms. I genuinely thought that! It is not just a one-

:30:57. > :31:02.track mind. There are going to be many people facing this. A very

:31:02. > :31:06.different issue. Ian Paisley. What do you think about it? What do you

:31:06. > :31:09.think you should be allowed to do? I think you should be allowed to

:31:09. > :31:13.protect yourself, your family and your property and you should be at

:31:13. > :31:18.all to do that in a way that is acceptable and is proportionate to

:31:18. > :31:23.the threat that his post. So for example, where does that threat

:31:23. > :31:27.end? Does it end when they have let your house, been chased from your

:31:27. > :31:33.house and gone to your yard and have stolen your property and could

:31:33. > :31:37.come back, or of fleeing...? There are all the things that would have

:31:37. > :31:45.to be balanced in the circumstances. You are entitled to protect

:31:45. > :31:51.yourself, your family and property and you can use reasonable. The --

:31:51. > :31:55.you can use reasonable force. The burglar has more rights than the

:31:55. > :31:59.victim. There is clearly that feeling. Whether that is right or

:31:59. > :32:03.not, that feeling is there. We have to racial society feels protected

:32:03. > :32:08.enough and feels they have the right to protect themselves if they

:32:08. > :32:13.are faced with that terrible intrusion of someone in their

:32:13. > :32:17.property. It is only when you have been burgled that you have that

:32:17. > :32:24.feeling that lasts forever. Gentleman in the second back growth.

:32:24. > :32:26.I think it is a wider thing we think the law that people who come

:32:26. > :32:31.into Croke seem to get more rights than the person who has been

:32:31. > :32:36.affected by the crime. I do not think it is just to do with

:32:36. > :32:42.burglary but other laws, too. law graduate who has been burgled,

:32:42. > :32:52.I think that reasonable force, if you take it one step too far and

:32:52. > :32:53.

:32:53. > :32:56.you make that extra punch, you can end up in court whereas, I do not

:32:56. > :33:03.think of what is reasonable force gives you any comfort living in

:33:03. > :33:10.your own home. There is already a law in regards this matter. It is

:33:10. > :33:13.difficult to deal with these situations. When you buy it from

:33:13. > :33:19.your sleep and there was a burglar in your hand, when do you stop

:33:19. > :33:25.defending yourself? That is the difficulty in the law. But I would

:33:25. > :33:30.favour changes in the law if it was to improve the law but this notion

:33:30. > :33:35.from the Tory conference that we go towards the American way of

:33:35. > :33:39.shooting them when they come in or go out of the door, it is not right.

:33:39. > :33:43.If someone is going to cause serious harm to you, if they have a

:33:43. > :33:48.baseball bat or a knife, you know they are going to cause serious

:33:48. > :33:52.harm. It is whether they are stopped from being able to cause

:33:52. > :33:55.serious harm and I think the law is on your side when you do that.

:33:55. > :34:04.People who are potential victims have to know that they can stop

:34:04. > :34:09.that person from doing them harm. We need to move on. Question four.

:34:09. > :34:17.From a trade union official from Tyrone. With 24 % of Arjun people

:34:17. > :34:23.unemployed, is it time to start the wreath hiring of ex-police officers.

:34:23. > :34:32.-- with 24 % of our young people employed, is it time to start

:34:32. > :34:37.employing a gain ex-police officers. Some people said contracts being

:34:37. > :34:42.handed out at a tender was out of control. I do not think it is out

:34:42. > :34:46.of control than that evolution has happened. There is youth

:34:46. > :34:50.unemployment and the issue of hiring a game. I do not think you

:34:50. > :34:54.can equate the two things. Policemen were hired again because

:34:54. > :35:00.they had a particular task. That was not necessarily something that

:35:00. > :35:04.could be done by unemployed 21- year-old. One was employed as a

:35:04. > :35:07.transport assistant. Those issues are clearly now being addressed by

:35:07. > :35:10.the Policing Board which has a responsibility with the chief

:35:10. > :35:19.constable for dealing with these matters. It is not something which

:35:19. > :35:24.comes directly to the department but in terms of the political area,

:35:24. > :35:28.it seems to be clear across all parties what is expected. We need

:35:28. > :35:35.to make clear what happened. We also need to recognise that ten

:35:35. > :35:38.years on, the message the chief constable is giving his... And we

:35:38. > :35:45.have to look at the issue of what we are going to do with unemployed

:35:45. > :35:51.young be well. Do you want heads to roll? Whose head? Those who were

:35:51. > :35:54.their ten years ago who have promptly retired? Even when you get

:35:54. > :35:57.to the point of a Public Accounts Committee you ring which is due to

:35:57. > :36:00.happen in the Assembly, those facing it will be the current

:36:00. > :36:03.permanent secretary of the Department of Justice, not the

:36:03. > :36:07.Northern Ireland Office, the current chief constable, not the

:36:07. > :36:12.previous chief constable, the current chief exec did you got the

:36:12. > :36:16.Policing Board, not the previous one. So when you talk about heads

:36:16. > :36:19.rolling, most of them rolled out of the door a long time ago.

:36:19. > :36:25.Paisley, Edge Hill party has a split on this. Jonathan crake was

:36:25. > :36:35.critical of the lack of transparency, -- your party has a

:36:35. > :36:35.

:36:35. > :36:41.split on this. So which stands do you take? I think that is the BBC

:36:41. > :36:47.trying to find a street where there is not a sprint. They are two valid

:36:48. > :36:53.but separate arguments and they are part of a series of arguments. --

:36:53. > :36:58.trying to find a split when there is not a split. Ex-police officers

:36:58. > :37:02.are entitled to be in a job. A lot of these officers for historic

:37:02. > :37:06.reasons got those jobs back in the process. Where there have been

:37:06. > :37:10.procedures that are wrong and abuse to the system, that should be

:37:10. > :37:14.identified, as has been done by the Audit Office. That should be

:37:14. > :37:18.rectified but a lot of this is now historic and I am fat the current

:37:18. > :37:22.chief constable and senior team have put considerable amounts of

:37:22. > :37:25.this right and are doing very well. Do you think it is entirely

:37:25. > :37:31.justifiable that one in five of them should be employed again, two

:37:31. > :37:36.of them before they had even left the RUC, hundred within a couple of

:37:36. > :37:41.months and that the average length of these temporary contracts was

:37:41. > :37:46.something like 233 days? There was a significant skill gap in the

:37:46. > :37:50.police service whenever they opened the doors and said, pay off and

:37:50. > :37:55.that is the end of Protestants in the policing service. That was the

:37:55. > :37:59.church -- short-term language for it. Then they realise, we have to

:38:00. > :38:05.get some of these people back in, and that is exactly what happened.

:38:05. > :38:09.We said at the end of 2001 this is too much, too fast, too far, but we

:38:09. > :38:14.knew the ambition was to get the change and the weak balance in the

:38:14. > :38:18.police service, which I am pleased with. I am delighted remain

:38:18. > :38:22.Katherine's want to be in the police. It is important we welcome

:38:22. > :38:26.that support but the change was too sudden and this is one of the

:38:26. > :38:33.consequences and we pay the price. It was not just jobs for the boys,

:38:33. > :38:40.as a party has claimed. Each post that was retired with a very

:38:40. > :38:44.generous retirement package had to be on the basis that it was surplus

:38:44. > :38:48.to requirement. Those posts were judged a substantial package was

:38:48. > :38:53.given to them and within a matter of days, weeks, months and years,

:38:53. > :38:57.those officers were brought back into the service. That is wrong and

:38:57. > :39:00.his is not that historical. The police board were giving the wrong

:39:00. > :39:07.information with regards to this matter right up until recently. It

:39:07. > :39:12.was a matter of months ago that the orders of this was called in. The

:39:12. > :39:17.Policing Board, a democratic body, gave wrong information. That has to

:39:17. > :39:24.be further investigated by the Policing Board. But the overriding

:39:24. > :39:31.issue in this, it is not this -- just the actual damage, it is also

:39:31. > :39:34.the potential damage to the policing process. The reader

:39:34. > :39:38.creation of a policing service serving all sections of the

:39:38. > :39:44.community was crucial and there were individuals, or a collective

:39:44. > :39:51.decision, to undo it. You were saying about young people who could

:39:51. > :39:56.be taking these jobs, but they might not be employed enough. Why

:39:56. > :39:59.don't we not cut EMA and provide more training for the sent people

:39:59. > :40:05.to go into the jobs? I guess the policing jobs are very specific

:40:05. > :40:09.jobs. Quite a lot of them, if you read the public accounts committee

:40:09. > :40:15.report, and you can Google it, you see a lot of the jobs they were

:40:15. > :40:18.doing when not particularly police jobs but at win jobs, drivers. That

:40:18. > :40:23.point about young people needing the jobs is what struck me

:40:23. > :40:28.immediately when I saw that over half the agency workers provided by

:40:28. > :40:33.the PSN eye over the last ten years work formally retired police

:40:33. > :40:37.officers. -- PSNI. I agree with John on this that there is a really

:40:37. > :40:41.big issue that we thought there was going to be a discontinuity between

:40:41. > :40:45.the old policing and the new policing. That has been completely

:40:45. > :40:50.undermined by the discovery that so many retired police officers,

:40:50. > :40:56.including special branch officers, are back in there. A colleague of

:40:56. > :41:00.mine from the University, when she was doing her research into the

:41:00. > :41:03.historical team, she found that large numbers of special branch

:41:03. > :41:10.officers actually involved in the intelligence unit. That is

:41:10. > :41:17.something that we all... If I took the same attitude as you, then Sinn

:41:17. > :41:22.Fein should not be entitled to jobs because of their baggage. Former

:41:22. > :41:27.police officers are entitled to jobs because of -- despite their

:41:27. > :41:31.baggage. But there is a continuity issue. The criteria for any job

:41:31. > :41:35.should be merit and suitability and it would be nice to think that that

:41:35. > :41:42.is being applied across the board in Northern Ireland. I may be being

:41:42. > :41:47.somewhat naive but that should be the only criteria. For example, the

:41:47. > :41:57.award of a contract worth �44 billion to a company with no

:41:57. > :42:03.

:42:03. > :42:10.tendering process would be anti- The youth unemployment and the

:42:10. > :42:15.retiring and rehiring are both connected to austerity because it's

:42:15. > :42:17.privatisation and out sourcing which is happening to cuts to

:42:17. > :42:21.government budgets which facilitated this. The Audit Office

:42:21. > :42:25.said it was out of control. They are not giving to extravagant

:42:25. > :42:29.comment. They said it was out of control wesm need to ensure that

:42:29. > :42:33.public servants in the police are accountable and are directed by the

:42:33. > :42:38.Chief Constable and accountable to the Policing Board. In terms of

:42:38. > :42:46.youth unemployment, in Greece it's 55%. Here it's 24%. We are half way

:42:46. > :42:50.there. We have half way to misery that people in Greece are saying

:42:50. > :42:54.wesm need to do something about austerity before we get a visit

:42:54. > :42:57.from Angela Merkel. On 20th October there will be thousands of people

:42:57. > :43:06.in London, Glasgow and Belfast standing up against austerity.

:43:06. > :43:11.can move on to our next question. Do you not think that clerical

:43:11. > :43:16.sexual abuse would stop if priests were allowed to marry? This

:43:16. > :43:21.question is based on a statement from father don began. He has gone

:43:22. > :43:25.to California for a few months. He was saying that celibacy, the end

:43:25. > :43:29.of celibacy was inevitable. There simply weren't enough priests

:43:29. > :43:34.coming through and it would have to happen. We should say that there is

:43:34. > :43:38.no reason to say there is a direct link between celibacy and sexual

:43:38. > :43:43.abuse of children. Having said that, it is a big issue for the church.

:43:43. > :43:48.Where do you stand on that one? It's clearly about more than just

:43:48. > :43:52.celibacy. There is also sexual abuse in other churches where there

:43:52. > :43:59.are married priests or married elders, or whatever. I suspect it's

:43:59. > :44:03.go the more to do with attitudes to sexuality generally. A lot of the

:44:03. > :44:09.churches, Christian, other churches as well, do actually see sex as

:44:09. > :44:15.being something that is quite dirty or something that they are not

:44:15. > :44:21.wholesome. If you that all sex is somehow not wholesome that abusive

:44:21. > :44:26.sex is, you know, just... Is just on that same continuum of nastiness.

:44:26. > :44:33.That I think is the problem. All of the churches, all of the main

:44:33. > :44:38.churches that don't have an open view towards sexuality, churches

:44:38. > :44:42.that would see homosexuality as Knott being natural or any loving

:44:42. > :44:46.sex at nos natural that those by definition are leaving themselves

:44:47. > :44:52.open to people abusing sex in all kinds of ways, including abusing

:44:52. > :44:58.children. I don't think it's just the marriage issue. I think priests

:44:58. > :45:06.should be allowed to marry. This stipulation was introduced in the

:45:06. > :45:10.11th century by the church to it related to the Inamoto her itance

:45:10. > :45:14.of land issues. It's not appropriate for the individual

:45:14. > :45:18.priest concerned. I don't think it's achieving any purpose. I'm not

:45:18. > :45:23.a particularly religious person. It's an unfair comment for me to

:45:23. > :45:31.make. If you ask my personal view, I would back the freedom of choice.

:45:31. > :45:35.Having a situation where, you know,... I mean, people do have

:45:35. > :45:39.been casting observation that is the child abuse problem that

:45:39. > :45:42.appears tor to be rampant is, in some way, related to the fact that

:45:42. > :45:47.priests have not been allowed to marry. I don't know if that is

:45:47. > :45:51.correct or not. I would not be in a position to make that assessment. I

:45:51. > :45:54.think the church, it is for the church to decide and analyse, I

:45:54. > :46:00.think they should review the situation as to whether priests

:46:00. > :46:06.should be allowed to marry. Thank you. I think it would be a gd thing

:46:06. > :46:11.to look into allowing priests to marry. I think anything that could

:46:11. > :46:18.lessen the chance of child abuse or sexual abuse within the Catholic

:46:18. > :46:21.church would be a good thing and all right thinking beam think that.

:46:21. > :46:26.We are talking about marriage between a man and a woman in this

:46:26. > :46:30.case. Where would you stand on this. I hardly dare ask you? I'm glad

:46:30. > :46:34.that you were prepared at the beginning of your question to

:46:34. > :46:40.define the circumstances of this particular discussion. That because

:46:40. > :46:44.it's to do with a priest and because it's to do with celibacy

:46:44. > :46:48.there is no specific link to child abuse. I agree with you on that.

:46:48. > :46:53.Just as I agree with the point because I have a particular view on

:46:53. > :46:58.marriage doesn't make me homophobic. I think that it's important to that

:46:58. > :47:05.if what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. I actually

:47:05. > :47:10.believe that the damage that is done to the Roman Catholic Church

:47:10. > :47:14.by not allowing their priests to marry, man to woman, I think that

:47:14. > :47:20.that damage speaks volumes. I think that it is unnatural to hold back

:47:20. > :47:23.that passion within a person to find that loving relationship and

:47:23. > :47:26.bond and it should be allowed and permitted. I think that the sooner

:47:26. > :47:32.the church address that is the much better for the society. By any

:47:32. > :47:41.definition, to say, as you did, some time ago you were repelled by

:47:41. > :47:50.homosexuality would be - I can be repulsed by someone but not hate

:47:50. > :47:54.someone. OK. We will leave it there. David Ford. Sorry. Married clergy,

:47:54. > :48:00.Catholic Church. I'm not sure I'm qualified to advise the Catholic

:48:00. > :48:03.Church on whether it should allow Catholic priests. I'm not qualified.

:48:03. > :48:07.You have raised an issue about child abuse which has occurred in a

:48:07. > :48:12.number of institutions, not merely the Catholic Church. I think the

:48:12. > :48:16.fact that we have seen revelations or at least allegations about the

:48:17. > :48:20.behaviour of a prominent television personality in the last week or so

:48:20. > :48:24.shows how embedded this culture that we don't respect children and

:48:24. > :48:27.that can lead to the point of serious abuse of them has to be

:48:27. > :48:34.addressed as a matter of grave concern. I used to do child

:48:34. > :48:39.protection work as a social worker. It is complex issue. One of the key

:48:39. > :48:43.issues is ensuring we don't have institutions that feel their duty

:48:43. > :48:47.is to defend the institution rather than deal with the perpetrator of

:48:47. > :48:52.these crimes. The gentleman here. think the Catholic Church, I think

:48:52. > :48:56.it's a mute point at the moment about them being allowed to marry

:48:56. > :49:00.because aI believe an abuser will always be an abuser and a

:49:00. > :49:06.paedophile will always be a paedophile no matter whether they

:49:06. > :49:10.are mafr married or not. Thing are clutching at straws. Thank you.

:49:10. > :49:13.has become relvapbts because of the reduction in the number of

:49:14. > :49:21.vocations in the chath Catholic Church. The status of a Catholic

:49:21. > :49:26.priest has changed massively. In years gone by it was to the

:49:26. > :49:29.advantage for the family to have a priest in the family. That has been

:49:29. > :49:32.reduced because of the scandal. Whether celibacy or married or

:49:32. > :49:36.women priest also change that, we don't know. There are jobs out

:49:36. > :49:44.there for young men in the priesthood if they want to get them.

:49:44. > :49:49.I don't think it's between marital status an abuse as one of the

:49:49. > :49:53.previous person said. They should allow their priests and nuns to

:49:53. > :49:59.marry. They should open their church. They should allow the

:49:59. > :50:09.greater involvement of the layette. They should demock ra ties the

:50:09. > :50:14.church to bring it back to the grassroots. The fact there was

:50:14. > :50:20.consistent abusers within their ranks has hurt many, many people.

:50:20. > :50:30.It has distanced Catholics from the church itself. They have to examine

:50:30. > :50:31.

:50:31. > :50:40.it is own purpose but certainly allow its membership and clergy to

:50:40. > :50:44.reflect. Is Belfast on the move or is it a closed shop for drivers?

:50:44. > :50:47.The Belfast public and wider public has been exercised by the

:50:47. > :50:54.introduction of these bus lanes which believe have brought chaos.

:50:54. > :50:58.Others aren't too sure. What do our panel think? I only experienced

:50:58. > :51:01.them for the first time today. visitor what is your first

:51:01. > :51:05.impression? It was OK actually because there wasn't much traffic

:51:05. > :51:09.when I went through. It I think our public transport system in Northern

:51:09. > :51:14.Ireland is absolutely dreadful. We know it's the worst in the UK. We

:51:14. > :51:20.spend less on public transport than any other region of the UK. We know

:51:20. > :51:24.that, for example, our subsidy for public transport is about... I mean,

:51:24. > :51:28.it's a fraction of what it is in other regions of the UK. It really

:51:28. > :51:35.is time, if we had better public transport maybe we wouldn't have so

:51:35. > :51:40.many cars on the roond and we wouldn't need have all -- road and

:51:40. > :51:46.we wouldn't need to have all these traffic jams. Maybe they are doing

:51:46. > :51:49.the right thing? It has been the experience of many motorists. I

:51:49. > :51:53.haven't been in the thick of it. We have to examine our relationship

:51:53. > :51:57.with the car. There is no doubt about. That we have to look the at

:51:57. > :52:01.how we use and fulfill public transport. I welcome the fact that

:52:01. > :52:04.the DRD is involved with discussions with the Belfast City

:52:04. > :52:07.Council with representatives and they are monitoring the situation.

:52:07. > :52:11.I hope the difficulties faced by motorists are smoothed out. In a

:52:11. > :52:17.year's time or less, when we reflect on the Belfast bus lanes we

:52:17. > :52:23.say it was a good idea. I don't know whether it's psychological on

:52:23. > :52:27.my part. Since they introduced the lanes there seems to be fewer buses.

:52:27. > :52:35.It increases the temptation to do a quick right and zoom along. I

:52:35. > :52:39.haven't done it yet. Maybe you should. I'm for more buses driving

:52:39. > :52:43.on the streets in Northern Ireland or London or anywhere else.

:52:43. > :52:48.won't be able to buy the buses. use a bus and train three days

:52:48. > :52:51.every week. If we can get out of our cars and use bus and public

:52:51. > :52:53.transport it's better. We do not have sufficient infrastructure in

:52:54. > :52:57.Northern Ireland to make it work for thousands of people because we

:52:57. > :53:03.have a largely rural community. Whenever we think of everything in

:53:03. > :53:07.Belfast terms we get the clut they're we have under this current

:53:07. > :53:11.decision. There is no strategy. There is no buses, as you say, I

:53:11. > :53:15.think it's screwed up thinking not joined up thinking. You don't think,

:53:15. > :53:20.making it more unpleasant for motorists is not a bad policy to

:53:20. > :53:24.get people on the buses. That is not the answer. Not the answer.

:53:24. > :53:27.more. The lady here. Is there an opportunity for jobs then if we

:53:28. > :53:34.need to change our infrastructure to improve on the public transport,

:53:34. > :53:39.could we look at something for that for public spending? Just an idea?

:53:39. > :53:43.OK. David. We had a fundamental problem for a couple of generations

:53:43. > :53:46.planners have assumed that people in Belfast would travel in a

:53:46. > :53:51.private car. There is no wonder that the general public assumes

:53:51. > :53:54.they will travel in a private car if they can. If we hadn't had a

:53:54. > :53:57.sufficient lobby in the first Assembly when we developed the

:53:57. > :54:00.strategy we wouldn't have a train between Belfast and Derry or

:54:00. > :54:03.Belfast and Larne. They are not running from Coleraine at the

:54:03. > :54:08.moment anyway much we got some effort. We still have a transport

:54:08. > :54:12.policy which is grossly imbalanced away from public transport. A lack

:54:12. > :54:15.of subsidy. The only way you move people around cities is by public

:54:15. > :54:20.transport. That is the case in every other city in these islands.

:54:20. > :54:25.Frankly in every other city in Europe, Belfast is left in a time

:54:25. > :54:32.warp, spwr whack -- somewhere back in the 19 '50s that people will

:54:32. > :54:36.drive their cars and get places. That simply doesn't work. OK.

:54:36. > :54:40.regular bus... Two microphones. As a regular bus user I have to be

:54:40. > :54:46.honest they take so long and so irregular out where I am, it's

:54:46. > :54:50.nought near Ballyclare, they are once every hour, later on, I have

:54:50. > :54:54.to be honest I don't think that actions such as this should be

:54:54. > :55:01.taken in my name. We are only saving maybe 30 seconds or a minute

:55:01. > :55:07.going past St George's on the way to the Europa. It's adding minutes,

:55:07. > :55:11.10 to 15 minutes car driver user per person. A bus may have 20 to 30

:55:11. > :55:15.people on it because it's awful and it takes ages. I do not like the

:55:15. > :55:20.fact saying - it makes it better for the buses. Improving the buses

:55:20. > :55:24.would make it bet r for us. This has exercised the travelling public

:55:24. > :55:33.terribly over the last few weeks. There is a long way to go before we

:55:33. > :55:39.sort it out. Our final question from a managening Dr From Holywood.

:55:39. > :55:48.Which James Bond do the panel most I dent with and why? -- identify

:55:48. > :55:55.with and why? The 50th anniversary of Dr No. John O'Dowd probably Jaws,

:55:55. > :56:02.am I wrong? I was thinking of MiniMe. I'm a great fan of James

:56:03. > :56:10.Bond films, I have to say. When a question is thrown at you my mind

:56:10. > :56:15.goes blank. Go with Jaws. I'm not sure if I have seen an entire Bond

:56:15. > :56:20.film. Which actor? I couldn't identify with one of these actors.

:56:20. > :56:25.Daniel Craig in that little swimsuit. Steady on. This is a

:56:25. > :56:31.family show. David Ford. I would like to be Q I would like to have

:56:31. > :56:35.the ability to invent wonderful gadgets. It ties in with being

:56:35. > :56:39.Minister of Justice and fixing a system that doesn't work very well.

:56:39. > :56:45.And being a control freak? I leave it other people to do things like

:56:45. > :56:48.the Community Safety Strategy. James Bond makes me aware of my own

:56:48. > :56:54.mortality. You see the bonds through the years, as they were

:56:54. > :57:00.then and as they are now. You feel really old. I will go for Pierce

:57:00. > :57:05.Brosnan he is near my age. Just because of his age? I don't know.

:57:05. > :57:12.Roger Moore he was on TV recently, he is looking very old. I can

:57:12. > :57:15.remember as a young boy where he looked quite young. You become

:57:15. > :57:20.conscious of the ageing process yourself. I have to dye the hair

:57:20. > :57:29.here a wee bit. With your background your family would you

:57:29. > :57:34.have to be MiniMe, wouldn't you? Ha-ha. I'm sorry he is not a bond

:57:34. > :57:40.character. I'm delighted... Yes. I'm delighted. Never let the facts

:57:40. > :57:44.get in the way? You certainly wouldn't. You work for the BBC. I'm

:57:44. > :57:50.derighted -- delighted that John is supportive of a British secret

:57:50. > :57:54.agent. That is progress in my terms. Jaws. He wants to kill him. There

:57:54. > :58:01.has been some wonderful bond characters.

:58:01. > :58:06.APPLAUSE My faiv raid Bond was George

:58:06. > :58:12.Lasenbury. It was the Best Film, best script and story. I think the

:58:12. > :58:17.best Bond. I agree with you, I think Daniel Craig is making a good

:58:17. > :58:21.bash. I'm sorry to say that is where we must leave it. Thank you

:58:22. > :58:26.to my guests and to our studio audience. Thank you to you at home

:58:26. > :58:30.for watching. If you would like to talk about any of the subjects we