:00:06. > :00:12.Dissident republicans are killing people they claim are drug dealers,
:00:12. > :00:16.so what has that got to do with their war? You struggle to find the
:00:16. > :00:22.actual struggle in what they are doing. And what happens when the
:00:22. > :00:28.drug dealer hits back? If you shoot one drug dealer, 10 others pop up.
:00:28. > :00:38.These things escalators go beyond control. These organised gangs are
:00:38. > :00:59.
:00:59. > :01:07.armed to the teeth and they are An afternoon last month in north
:01:07. > :01:17.Dublin. The Real IRA leader Alan Ryan is openly strolling with
:01:17. > :01:28.
:01:28. > :01:38.friends in the area he has built His murder is an astonishing
:01:38. > :01:43.challenge to the Real IRA by Dublin's drug gangs. And they had
:01:43. > :01:46.dared to kill the most senior Real IRA figure in the city. While there
:01:46. > :01:51.may be a perception in Northern Ireland that organised crime gangs
:01:51. > :01:55.would never take on members he of the IRA, that does not exist south
:01:55. > :02:00.of the border. A lot of the criminal groups are manned by young
:02:00. > :02:07.men who live chaotic lives, are very well armed, and would think
:02:07. > :02:10.nothing of going off and murdering more republicans if they have do.
:02:10. > :02:14.Drug dealers control the city, not the public call the police, and
:02:14. > :02:20.they think they are in pitched well and they have taken out the biggest
:02:20. > :02:24.achieve. -- that they are Alan Ryan was allegedly arming and
:02:24. > :02:28.killing drug dealers in Northern Ireland. His murder has been viewed
:02:28. > :02:32.by the Real IRA as an act of war. The dissident groups initial
:02:32. > :02:36.response was a Major show of strength at the funeral, which
:02:36. > :02:41.shocked the Republic establishment. Were new have a 1,000 people
:02:41. > :02:44.marching through a suburb in north Dublin led by an IRA colour party,
:02:44. > :02:50.that took the government by surprise, that is not something
:02:50. > :02:55.that is seen. You might have 50 dissidents in the country, but I
:02:55. > :02:59.think that page truth to that life. There is a more serious problem
:02:59. > :03:06.developing south of the border than anyone would like to admit or had
:03:06. > :03:09.realised. They weren't all republicans, they weren't all
:03:09. > :03:15.dissidence, but the vast majority were there because they saw what he
:03:15. > :03:19.was doing in relation to the drugs issue. The dissidents have tried to
:03:19. > :03:25.get national support by a killing alleged drug dealers. Last week
:03:25. > :03:29.they also blamed for murdering a small-time dealer Danny McCain in
:03:29. > :03:32.north Belfast. People in the street say they heard about half a dozen
:03:32. > :03:39.shops and a car speeding off. They are building on a strategy first
:03:39. > :03:44.used by the Provisional IRA nearly 20 years ago. What you see the
:03:44. > :03:48.dissidents do is Borough pages from the Book of the IRA. That is
:03:48. > :03:51.sending messages from criminals and the community, but also sending a
:03:51. > :03:55.message but they are here to protect you. But with the murder of
:03:55. > :03:59.Alan Ryan, the dissidents face something that the Provisional IRA
:03:59. > :04:04.didn't, dealers to fight back. So have the Real IRA miscalculated in
:04:04. > :04:08.taking on the drug gangs? In trying to use this issue to build support
:04:08. > :04:13.are they getting sucked into a battle that can never be one?
:04:13. > :04:18.Tonight on Spotlight we assess the deadly confrontation and we ask
:04:18. > :04:22.what is happening within dissident republicanism north and south?
:04:22. > :04:27.gloves are off. There are no boundaries, no limits and the Real
:04:27. > :04:35.IRA with the death of Alan Ryan realise this will be a serious
:04:35. > :04:39.battle and whoever blinks first will be gone. So why and how did
:04:39. > :04:44.the Real IRA get themselves so wrapped up in the volatile Dublin
:04:44. > :04:50.drugs scene? Surprisingly, part of the story can be traced back here,
:04:50. > :04:53.a sleepy corner of County Down. For decades, Dublin has wrestled with a
:04:53. > :05:01.growing and exceptionally violent criminal underworld. One that has
:05:01. > :05:05.produced a series of crime bosses, men like David Lindsay. Nicknamed
:05:05. > :05:13.Baby face by the tabloid press, he and an associate disappeared in
:05:13. > :05:17.July 2008. 10 months later, they go unexpectedly arrived at a bungalow,
:05:17. > :05:21.informing the unsuspected owners that the properties had to be
:05:21. > :05:26.searched. The house had been rented out, and underneath a floor inside,
:05:26. > :05:30.police found traces of blood and DNA belonging to David Lindsay and
:05:30. > :05:33.his friend. David Lindsay and his associate had disappeared off the
:05:33. > :05:39.streets of the republic. But the belief is that they died violently,
:05:39. > :05:46.here, in a remote part of Northern Ireland. Their bodies have never
:05:46. > :05:54.been found. To this day, the PSNI refused to discuss the case. If you
:05:54. > :05:59.think the Dublin drug war stops at the border, think again. There is
:05:59. > :06:04.no limits today in the savagery and lends these people will go, which
:06:04. > :06:10.has reached depths of depravity that we had not even imagined.
:06:10. > :06:17.Lindsay is believed to have been murdered by this man, Michael Kelly,
:06:17. > :06:21.also known as the Panda. The killing helped make Killick --
:06:21. > :06:28.Kelly a Major figure in the Dublin underworld. But he was murdered as
:06:28. > :06:32.well, allegedly by a Real IRA gang led by Alan Ryan. The killing was
:06:32. > :06:40.the dissident statement of intent, that they would now be controlling
:06:40. > :06:45.the crime scene in the city. Crime Correspondent Alan Sherry has
:06:45. > :06:49.brought me to the streets were Alan Ryan's gang was based, close to
:06:49. > :06:54.where they reportedly killed Kelly. How did that take Alan Ryan to
:06:54. > :06:57.another level? That marked him out as the main player on the scene in
:06:57. > :07:02.that gangland. There was no doubt that these people were not to be
:07:02. > :07:08.messed with. In the Dublin crime scene, extreme violence appears to
:07:08. > :07:14.pay. Gangland killings on the rise. Gerry O'Carroll investigated over
:07:14. > :07:20.80 murders. He was the inspiration for the character in this movie
:07:21. > :07:24.about Dublin's original crime boss. He was known as the general. A
:07:24. > :07:29.retired detective thinks the film romanticised his relationship with
:07:29. > :07:37.Cahill, but he considers it a classic. They think I know your
:07:37. > :07:42.wiles and ways, but it can only end one way, Martin, keep on like this.
:07:42. > :07:47.Before he was murdered by the Provisional IRA, K Hill predicted
:07:47. > :07:54.this new generation of extremely violent gangs -- Cahill. He said in
:07:54. > :07:59.his inimitable Dublin accent, if you think I'm bad, wait and see
:07:59. > :08:05.what's coming behind me. And his words have become chillingly
:08:05. > :08:12.fulfilled, because the modern breed of gangsters that run the drugs
:08:12. > :08:17.scene in this country are literally beyond comparison. These are
:08:17. > :08:24.psychopaths, often on cocaine, up to the eyeballs, believing
:08:24. > :08:31.themselves to be invincible. They have displayed a viciousness and
:08:31. > :08:35.ruthlessness and a savagery that is unparalleled, and makes other old
:08:35. > :08:41.time gangsters look like Sunday- school boys. The brutal gang
:08:41. > :08:44.warfare has taken innocent lives. Apprentice plumber Anthony Campbell
:08:44. > :08:50.was working in a house that, unknown to him, was occupied by a
:08:50. > :08:55.Major drug dealer. He was fixing a radiator when two gunmen walked in.
:08:55. > :09:00.They obviously went in with faces on, and because Anthony would have
:09:00. > :09:05.been able to identify them, he just was shot. He was shot through the
:09:05. > :09:10.hand he raised in self-defence. was 20, not even a man. Still
:09:10. > :09:16.finding himself. Out doing an honest day's living. Alan Ryan
:09:16. > :09:19.would impose himself on this chaotic drugs war. He grew up on
:09:19. > :09:23.Dublin's north side, and from a younger age was schooled in
:09:23. > :09:28.militant republicanism. As a teenager around the time of the
:09:28. > :09:34.Good Friday Agreement, he joined the Real IRA. He first came to
:09:34. > :09:39.public attention in 1999. He was one of six men arrested at a Real
:09:39. > :09:48.IRA underground training camp in County Meath. He was jailed for
:09:48. > :09:51.four years also up he had been in jail in Port Laoise, and he'd
:09:51. > :09:56.obviously become staunchly republican in jail, if not
:09:56. > :10:03.beforehand. The when he came out he got involved in running doors on
:10:03. > :10:07.the pubs and bit by bit they were taking on small-scale drug dealers.
:10:07. > :10:12.As well as starting to flex his muscles in Dublin, Ryan also became
:10:12. > :10:19.an important figure in the Real IRA as a whole. It would be fair to say,
:10:19. > :10:23.as far as we know, who -- she was a Major figure in the Real IRA. This
:10:23. > :10:27.was a Major figure engaged in activities that were contrary to
:10:27. > :10:32.the well-being of most people on this island that were intent on
:10:32. > :10:36.bringing us back to the bad old days. According to journalist,
:10:36. > :10:41.Ryan's Dublin unit acted as a fundraiser and supplier for fellow
:10:41. > :10:45.dissidents in the north. Dating back to the Provisional IRA, Dublin
:10:45. > :10:48.republicans would provide logistical support to IRA units
:10:48. > :10:54.north of the border, and Alan Ryan would have provided something
:10:54. > :10:58.similar. What they do is generate money, provide stolen cars and
:10:58. > :11:01.provide guns whenever they can. They need the money for the
:11:01. > :11:05.organisation. Dublin seems to be, from what they can tell, is where
:11:05. > :11:08.the main and out of money is coming from for the organisation, so it
:11:08. > :11:12.seems that Alan was given a licence to do what he needed to do to raise
:11:12. > :11:17.the money. If you are sending up the cash, you need to tackle the
:11:17. > :11:21.drugs gangs, you have our backing. Much of the money Alan Ryan raised
:11:21. > :11:26.went overboard into Northern Ireland to the Real IRA's most
:11:26. > :11:32.significant stronghold. We have come to Londonderry to follow that
:11:32. > :11:41.money trail. Spotlight has learned that included Ryan fronting an
:11:41. > :11:43.operation smuggling cigarettes But his frequent visits to the city
:11:43. > :11:48.were about more than this. Because Derry is where he would meet up
:11:48. > :11:51.with hardline republican associates. Ryan's friends claim he was a
:11:51. > :12:01.militant republican, but not involved in organised crime.
:12:01. > :12:06.
:12:06. > :12:13.That prominent spokesman for the 32 County sovereignty Movement has one
:12:14. > :12:16.The Alan Ryan I knew was a genuine, committed Republican, very kind and
:12:16. > :12:20.very generous person. He was a socialist and cared about his
:12:20. > :12:22.community and Alan had a social conscience. That's right, yes, Alan
:12:22. > :12:25.a member of the 32 County Sovereignty Movement, he would have
:12:25. > :12:30.attended meetings, Sovereignty meetings, he would have been a
:12:30. > :12:34.familiar face on protests, pickets and similar activities. You are
:12:34. > :12:37.saying you knew him as a political person, the person that the media
:12:37. > :12:44.has talked about is someone that they would say was a crime boss.
:12:44. > :12:47.Definitely not, no. That couldn't be further from the truth. He was
:12:48. > :12:56.the leader eventually of the real IRA in Dublin, so he wasn't a choir
:12:56. > :13:02.boy. There is a difference between not being a choir boy and being a
:13:02. > :13:07.crime boss. Alan wasn't a criminal, Alan Moss and a gangster. Allen may
:13:07. > :13:11.have been portrayed as such by certain tabloid newspapers. The
:13:11. > :13:15.reality is that there is not one shred of evidence to support these
:13:15. > :13:19.accusations. There was no doubt in my mind that these were accusations
:13:19. > :13:26.that were being fed to sections of the media by the Free State
:13:26. > :13:29.Establishment. It was in Derry that the Real IRA's campaign against
:13:29. > :13:32.drugs first came to prominence. It was here that we learned the
:13:32. > :13:38.dissident groups relationship with the drugs scene may be more complex
:13:38. > :13:42.than it first appears. A short drive outside the city. What
:13:42. > :13:49.happened at this location became a major embarrassment for the Real
:13:49. > :13:53.IRA. From the outside this House looks like any other, but inside
:13:54. > :13:58.the police found a cannabis factory with an estimated street value of
:13:58. > :14:02.half a million euro. In January 2010 the house have been filled
:14:02. > :14:06.with quiet -- with cannabis plants and going equipment. The difficult
:14:06. > :14:11.for the Real IRA was that this house was owned by one of the most
:14:11. > :14:15.senior members. The dissidents now had a drugs problem. The house
:14:16. > :14:20.belonged to this man, Seamus McGreevy, one of the Real IRA's
:14:20. > :14:25.most senior figures. After the discovery, Seamus McGreevy was
:14:25. > :14:29.found dead, believed to have killed himself. It was now imperative for
:14:29. > :14:33.the dissident group that they distance themselves from the Drug
:14:33. > :14:39.House and the implication they may have been involved. They did so in
:14:39. > :14:44.the most brutal fashion. The house was being looked after by Kieran
:14:44. > :14:52.Doherty, an ex Real IRA member from Derry. On a February night in 2010,
:14:52. > :14:57.he was found shot dead outside the city. Q and uncle, Vincent Coyle,
:14:57. > :15:02.has brought me to the place where his nephew was killed. Kieran was
:15:02. > :15:07.once a close friend of Alan Ryan. But it's the family's belief that
:15:07. > :15:12.the murder involve the Dublin Real IRA, setting out an air crusade
:15:12. > :15:18.against drugs. This is such a beautiful quiet spot, Vincent, yet
:15:18. > :15:26.something terrible happened here. This is one of the most picturesque
:15:26. > :15:32.places in the city. What actually happened to Kieran that night? On
:15:32. > :15:36.the night that he left the house. He left to meet friends that he
:15:36. > :15:39.travelled from the Republic to meet them. It's a belief that Kieran was
:15:39. > :15:45.brought to the spot naked. The police believe that there was no
:15:45. > :15:50.struggle on the night. They believe that he knew the people he was with.
:15:50. > :15:54.Q&A be believed he would be kneecapped. Instead, they kept him
:15:54. > :15:59.going to the last minutes and shot him twice to their head. When he
:15:59. > :16:07.lay on the ground, once more to the heart. His like this body lay on
:16:07. > :16:11.the ground while his blood ran down this hill. Why is it that you're
:16:11. > :16:15.connecting Alan Ryan's debt to Kieran step? It's the belief of the
:16:15. > :16:18.family that Alan Ryan would have known about Kieran's debt and would
:16:18. > :16:24.have known the background to his death. The fact that he was a
:16:24. > :16:29.member of the Real IRA, that Kieran was an ex-member and its that many
:16:29. > :16:34.years in prison with Alan Ryan. He would have had to know the
:16:34. > :16:38.circumstances under which Kieran died. Last week, the police
:16:38. > :16:42.detective investigating Kieran's murder revealed he had tried but
:16:42. > :16:47.failed to extradite someone from what he referred to as another
:16:47. > :16:51.jurisdiction. Spotlight has learnt that this man was in fact the
:16:51. > :16:55.senior Real IRA member in Dublin, and close associate of Alan Ryan.
:16:55. > :17:00.The Real IRA have officially said that Kieran Dougherty was murdered
:17:00. > :17:03.for involvement in drugs. But the Dougherty family has always
:17:03. > :17:08.rejected this, amid suggestions Kieran was made the scapegoat for
:17:08. > :17:12.the Donegal drugs house. The link between two Real IRA figures and a
:17:12. > :17:16.drugs factory was deeply suspicious. It led to speculation the
:17:16. > :17:21.organisation was more closely involved in the drugs trade than it
:17:21. > :17:25.cared to admit. But they insist it does not deal in drugs. A I think
:17:25. > :17:30.the death of Kieran Dougherty was very tragic, particularly for his
:17:30. > :17:36.family. It seems to be that drugs again are at the centre of this and
:17:36. > :17:43.the young man lost his life I feel it is a very tragic situation. It
:17:43. > :17:49.would say that the republican stance is consistent against drugs.
:17:49. > :17:53.Would you agreed with killing drug dealers? Well, how to deal with
:17:53. > :17:58.drug dealers? Drug dealers aren't the type of people who you can sit
:17:58. > :18:05.down and written with. Q and Dougherty's murder brought the Real
:18:05. > :18:10.IRA very publicly into line with another group in Derry, Republican
:18:10. > :18:14.Action Against Drugs, set up solely to target dealers. Spotlight
:18:14. > :18:21.witnessed the beginnings of this merger in June. During a PSNI
:18:21. > :18:27.search by officers investigating republicans against -- Republican
:18:27. > :18:31.Action Against drugs, dissident republicans turned out in support,
:18:31. > :18:41.including Gary Donnelly of the 32 County Sovereignty Movement. Then
:18:41. > :18:45.
:18:45. > :18:50.this happened. BOMB GHOST, all. Around the corner, at PSNI vehicle
:18:50. > :18:55.was hit by a blast bomb. This was the first moment to its
:18:56. > :19:01.organisation first to a De Wet Barry -- in their weaponry on
:19:01. > :19:05.police officers. It was also the first signal they were a line with
:19:05. > :19:12.the Real IRA. In July, a statement issued announcing a new
:19:12. > :19:16.organisation, calling themselves the IRA. The Real IRA was very keen
:19:16. > :19:22.to lose their own name and identity. They are publicly associated with
:19:22. > :19:26.the murder of 29 people and unborn twins at home in 1988. They never
:19:26. > :19:33.recovered after that. So there were quite keen on amalgamating with
:19:33. > :19:36.another gripping. It's an old thread dressed up and a new name.
:19:36. > :19:39.You have a coalition, so it is there any mystery is there any
:19:40. > :19:44.secret about what this new coalition and balls? No, there's
:19:44. > :19:51.not. These people, to borrow a phrase that was used many years ago,
:19:51. > :19:54.these people are the same people in different balaclavas. Despite did
:19:54. > :19:57.edition of rap, people still continue to refer to the gripping
:19:57. > :20:01.as the Real IRA. But the organisation has also been
:20:01. > :20:04.strengthened further by the addition of independent dissidents,
:20:04. > :20:10.including those believed to have murdered Constable Ronan Kerr last
:20:10. > :20:14.year in a coma. The so republican grouping had a lot of technical
:20:14. > :20:19.expertise in terms of producing bombs and avoiding detection from
:20:19. > :20:22.the security services. That is what makes a very dangerous.
:20:22. > :20:28.operation there was exposed in Dublin demonstrated just how
:20:28. > :20:34.dangerous and ambitious the new group can be. Former Garda
:20:34. > :20:37.inspector Gerry O'Carroll has from the to the place where Gardai
:20:37. > :20:42.uncovered a wheels -- a Real IRA surveillance plot designed to
:20:42. > :20:48.collect intelligence and police officers. A my right here is guard
:20:48. > :20:54.headquarters, were specialised police units are based. It was on a
:20:54. > :21:00.building but the Real IRA surveillance team were based here
:21:00. > :21:04.at Blaha Court Hotel. Last month, Gardai discovered dissidents had
:21:04. > :21:09.set up recording and photographic equipment there without the hotel's
:21:09. > :21:13.knowledge and were spying on Dublin's top police teams.
:21:13. > :21:20.close quite extraordinary. But these gangsters would have the
:21:20. > :21:26.audacity to coming here to a building opposite Garda
:21:26. > :21:33.headquarters, a building that is used by many officers for
:21:34. > :21:37.socialising. It has serious, serious and sinister implications
:21:37. > :21:42.for the safety and security of the state and for the safety and
:21:42. > :21:47.security of the personnel in this building. What does it say about
:21:47. > :21:51.the intent and capabilities of the dissidents? It shows what they're
:21:51. > :21:58.capable of doing. But these people are as serious, serious threat now
:21:58. > :22:03.under threat is growing. The menace of the Real IRA grows by the day.
:22:03. > :22:09.It is a keeper Billy Kirby been directed more towards a drugs war
:22:09. > :22:13.than a so-called armed struggle in Northern Ireland? And, if so, why?
:22:13. > :22:17.We has also done -- we have spoken the dissident republicans who
:22:17. > :22:21.recognise the right across roads. At a time when they are we
:22:21. > :22:26.organising, they are in danger of getting sucked into a prolonged its
:22:26. > :22:30.drug war. So why have the Real IRA got themselves embroiled in a war
:22:30. > :22:34.that drug dealers in Dublin? Mon me. The traditional ways of raising
:22:34. > :22:42.money for the paramilitaries with bank robberies, post-office
:22:42. > :22:46.robberies, kidnappings, although the last number of years, the tiger
:22:46. > :22:53.kidnappings were a serious problem. That's no longer a cash cow. That's
:22:53. > :23:01.no longer feasible. Are people in the Gardai here are more effective.
:23:01. > :23:06.So, the path of least resistance has been drug money. They know that
:23:06. > :23:12.the drug dealers and the drug kingpins in this city are making
:23:12. > :23:15.vast, vast, vast amounts of money. The know that he could take get a
:23:15. > :23:21.percentage of it, it'll be enough to finance the organisation, to
:23:21. > :23:26.supply them that guns, ammunition and logistics. So a duty sources
:23:26. > :23:30.also claimed that the Real IRA are taxing drug-dealers. Publicly
:23:30. > :23:37.opposed to drugs, but privately raising funds by pocketing drugs
:23:37. > :23:41.profits. I am not going to travel into areas and intelligence. But
:23:41. > :23:44.certainly an number of the subversive organisations that
:23:44. > :23:47.travel under particular banners, there was no doubt that on
:23:47. > :23:51.occasions they make a pretence of being opposed to the use of drugs
:23:51. > :23:57.and to the drug gangs, while simultaneously trying to raise
:23:57. > :24:03.funding derived from the illegal sale of drugs. The thing that
:24:03. > :24:07.dissident world, you have people who may be involved in a struggle,
:24:07. > :24:11.as they describe it. It is about Brits out and uniting Ireland. But
:24:11. > :24:13.you have other people in that will to are involved in crime and their
:24:14. > :24:19.participation in those organisations is a cover for what
:24:19. > :24:23.they really up to. So, they may target drug dealers, shoot them,
:24:23. > :24:26.but within a world there are people who are drug dealers and to also
:24:26. > :24:31.involved in drugs crime. This against denied this, but whatever
:24:31. > :24:35.the reason for the drugs battle, it is getting more intense. And Dublin
:24:36. > :24:41.is braced for the reprisals that the Real IRA have promised in
:24:41. > :24:45.response Alan Ryan's killing. this could drag on for years. Kind
:24:45. > :24:49.of what has happened now, I think the Real IRA are certainly going to
:24:49. > :24:52.have to retaliate to show that they have the strength to take them on
:24:52. > :24:56.and whether that means taking on the people who did it, which am
:24:56. > :25:01.sure they will, but there will probably go after regular drug
:25:01. > :25:06.dealers and say any drug dealers are a Jew -- are a legitimate
:25:06. > :25:11.target night because they have taken on the Real IRA and if anyone
:25:11. > :25:15.operating in North Dublin in drugs I would be worried. The question is,
:25:15. > :25:19.can the Real IRA gain more support by confronting the dealers, or have
:25:19. > :25:23.they got right into drugs were they can win? I believe the Real IRA had
:25:23. > :25:27.it not more than they can chew. They have totally underestimated
:25:27. > :25:33.the will and the actual firepower and the strength of the double that
:25:33. > :25:38.-- of the Dublin organised crime has now reached in the city. These
:25:38. > :25:42.organised gangs are absolutely armed to the teeth and they are
:25:42. > :25:46.ferocious in their reprisals. can should want to a dealer and you
:25:46. > :25:50.get 10 others pop up. It makes no impact whatsoever. Do what it does
:25:50. > :25:55.course is that the associate to the person that you have just murdered
:25:55. > :25:58.will suddenly start targeting you. History has shown in the past 10
:25:58. > :26:02.years out of the border then went criminal gangs were feuding with
:26:03. > :26:07.anyone, it actually doesn't stop. These things escalate a double
:26:07. > :26:10.control. I am not sure that the dissident paramilitaries, for all
:26:10. > :26:15.their bluster, want to get into that sort of long running feud with
:26:15. > :26:19.criminal groups in Dublin, because they are as well on this them.
:26:19. > :26:24.even so, the dissident republican war on drugs now seems to be
:26:24. > :26:26.spreading. When gunmen shot Danny McKie last Thursday night on the
:26:26. > :26:33.outskirts of North Belfast, dissident republicans were linked
:26:33. > :26:37.to the murder. Danny McKay was a low-level drug dealer, and if you
:26:37. > :26:39.have but low-level figure being taken out in what has been
:26:39. > :26:44.described as a high-level assassination. The people but the
:26:44. > :26:47.police are looking at as possibly being involved and that shooting,
:26:48. > :26:52.spanned both criminal and the dissident world. And that is the
:26:52. > :26:57.coup -- that is that confusion, that criss-crossing of lines, and
:26:57. > :27:00.that collusion in that world in which these people move.
:27:00. > :27:04.dissident groups are populated by both militant republicans and
:27:04. > :27:08.organised criminals. Bill which should be strands is more likely to
:27:08. > :27:15.take control of the future direction of an organisation like
:27:16. > :27:21.the Real IRA? It is impossible to forecast what is likely to happen.
:27:21. > :27:31.I think this combined dissident IRA organisation could go one of two
:27:31. > :27:31.
:27:31. > :27:40.ways. It could try and replicate a Provisional IRA tight organisation,
:27:41. > :27:46.which is what they want. There is as much or unequal the chance that
:27:46. > :27:49.you going to see that grouping and the other groups mutating into a
:27:49. > :27:53.kind of large-scale criminal operation. I think there were
:27:53. > :27:59.people of both types within that organisation now and it is very
:27:59. > :28:03.difficult to see who will come to the fore. You struggle to find the
:28:03. > :28:07.armed struggle in what they're doing. You struggle to find their
:28:07. > :28:15.confrontation with the British state. Yes, they have targeted
:28:15. > :28:19.police officers and, yes, but is a real threat. But those looking at
:28:19. > :28:22.them can see the crossroads. There are people who are there for what
:28:22. > :28:27.they were term as it calls and there are people there for self-
:28:27. > :28:35.interest. The question that people ask about all of these things is
:28:35. > :28:39.when a lookalike? When does that friction become an internal feud
:28:40. > :28:43.between does to her about fighting a war and those who are interested
:28:43. > :28:49.in crime? The sudden tragic reality is that there must be some
:28:49. > :28:52.possibility that some individual in the future of will lose their lives
:28:52. > :28:56.in similar events. I would hope that is not the case. There was
:28:56. > :29:00.little point in appealing to these people to desist from this type of
:29:00. > :29:10.conduct because, from bitter experience on the silent, we know
:29:10. > :29:10.