:00:10. > :00:13.Who has actually asked for a shrine to terrorism to be constructed at
:00:13. > :00:16.the Maze? Nobody! Martin hasn't. Martin has made it very clear that
:00:16. > :00:26.he doesn't want a shrine to terrorism, he wants a shrine to
:00:26. > :00:30.
:00:30. > :00:34.for the Maze prison site, designed to show the world how far we've
:00:34. > :00:43.come, so why can't we agree what to put in it? Here history is live and
:00:43. > :00:47.contested and can often be used as a stick to beat your opponents with.
:00:47. > :00:50.The First Minister says he will have the final say on what goes
:00:50. > :00:53.inside the buildings, but can that stop the old prison, where Bobby
:00:53. > :00:56.Sands the hunger striker died over 30 years ago, becoming a shrine to
:00:56. > :00:59.Republican terrorism? As Jeffrey Donaldson said that the name of
:00:59. > :01:07.Bobby Sands will not even be mentioned, that's so farcical that
:01:07. > :01:13.no one should believe it. Many victims remain unconvinced that it
:01:14. > :01:23.would become a shrine. It will become a shrine. They should have
:01:24. > :02:00.
:02:00. > :02:03.This year, the Royal Ulster Agricultural Society moved its show
:02:03. > :02:09.to its new home outside Lisburn and it proved a hit, with record
:02:09. > :02:17.numbers attending the three-day event. You could almost forget what
:02:17. > :02:20.this place used to be. Bringing the show here to the site of the former
:02:20. > :02:26.Maze Prison is the first move in one of the biggest redevelopments
:02:26. > :02:29.in Europe, with the potential to provide a major economic boost.
:02:29. > :02:32.You've got 347 acres here, so you're talking about something
:02:32. > :02:42.that's twice the size of the Titanic Quarter and four times the
:02:42. > :02:52.
:02:52. > :02:55.We're talking about a target of over 5,000 jobs. We're talking
:02:55. > :02:58.about an investment of about �300 million so pretty significant stuff.
:02:58. > :03:02.The success of the new Balmoral Show here at its new site and this
:03:02. > :03:05.is exactly what those in Stormont have in mind for this place, But
:03:05. > :03:08.perhaps the success of this whole project lies with the decision of
:03:08. > :03:10.what to do with the old prison buildings behind me, and the
:03:10. > :03:13.divisions that this is causing not just in government but amongst
:03:13. > :03:16.victims. There will be industrial areas and office complexes, but at
:03:16. > :03:19.the the heart of the project are plans for an �18 million building
:03:19. > :03:23.dedicated to peace, with plans to utilise what remains of the prison,
:03:23. > :03:26.just 30 metres away. The go-ahead was given last month, and that re-
:03:26. > :03:29.ignited a bitter row over the project. I set off to find out if
:03:29. > :03:34.one of the most divisive sites in Northern Ireland is the right place
:03:34. > :03:41.to put a building dedicicated to reconcilliation. And, given the
:03:41. > :03:44.site's history, will it inevitably become a shrine to terrorism?
:03:44. > :03:50.The Maze began life as an internment camp called Long Kesh
:03:50. > :03:53.with Nissen huts initially housing the prisoners in 1971. For the next
:03:53. > :03:58.29 years, it was the scene of some of the Troubles' most defining
:03:58. > :04:01.moments. Protest and murder took place wtihin its walls. But it will
:04:01. > :04:08.always be strongly associated with the hunger strikes of the 1980s, in
:04:08. > :04:13.which 10 Republican prisoners died. Raymond McCartney was 17 when he
:04:13. > :04:19.was first imprisoned in the Maze. In 1979 he joined the dirty protest,
:04:19. > :04:22.demanding the right to be treated as a political prisoner. He
:04:22. > :04:28.remembers the call going out two years later for volunteers to
:04:28. > :04:31.escalate the protest to a hunger strike. It was spelt out in
:04:31. > :04:33.explicit terms what hunger strike could and would mean, and I
:04:33. > :04:37.remember making the decision, doing a lot of soul searching, asking
:04:37. > :04:40.questions of myself, I volunteered my name that I felt that I felt
:04:40. > :04:47.that the decision was the right one to make, and also it was a personal
:04:47. > :04:54.one which I wanted to make, as well. We are prepared to die to prove
:04:54. > :04:59.that we are special prisoners. spent 53 days on hunger strike.
:04:59. > :05:02.Without food, his body began to shut down. You found that your
:05:02. > :05:05.ability to focus your eyes, it wasn't so much that your eye sight
:05:05. > :05:07.failed, but your ability to hold your eyes and focus was
:05:07. > :05:11.deteriorating because the muscles around your eyes were obviously
:05:11. > :05:15.wasting. That meant then that your eyes weren't in full control.
:05:15. > :05:18.Wanting to get up out of bed became... You know, you were
:05:18. > :05:24.comfortable lying in bed, whereas your instinct would have been
:05:24. > :05:28.normally up to do a bit of walking about. By the end of the hunger
:05:29. > :05:34.strikes, 10 men had starved themselves to death. The first to
:05:34. > :05:40.die was 27-year-old Bobby Sands. The story of the hunger strikes
:05:40. > :05:44.reverberated around the world. For Raymond McCartney, this makes it
:05:44. > :05:47.the ideal spot to build a peace center. Many of us see it as part
:05:47. > :05:49.of our lives. You take into consideration the impact that the
:05:49. > :05:52.hunger strike had on the wider political situation in Ireland and
:05:52. > :05:59.abroad, therefore, to us, it's just something that's a historical site
:05:59. > :06:04.and should be preserved. But what about the victims of the
:06:04. > :06:08.Troubles? I wanted to find out what they thought about the Maze as a
:06:08. > :06:11.location to build peace. On the 5th January, 1976, Bea Worton's son
:06:11. > :06:13.Kenneth was one of 12 men travelling home from work when
:06:13. > :06:23.their minibus was ambushed in Kingsmills in County Armagh by
:06:23. > :06:25.
:06:25. > :06:29.Republican paramilitaries. I was cooking the dinner in the kitchen.
:06:29. > :06:33.Then some lady came in from a nearby house. She had heard more in
:06:33. > :06:41.the news than us. She said, "Bea, will you not get up and go up the
:06:41. > :06:45.road, for your son is lying dead?". That is her exact words she said.
:06:45. > :06:48.That's the exact words she said to me. He was 24 and he had two wee
:06:48. > :06:52.girls. One of them was only three and the other one was six. The wee
:06:52. > :06:55.one at three had his table set for him coming home from his work -
:06:55. > :07:01.knife, fork and spoon. In the paper the next day there was: "Daddy
:07:01. > :07:05.Didn't Come Home". Colin Worton was only 15 when his
:07:05. > :07:11.brother Kenneth was killed. He was great and I think you always want
:07:11. > :07:14.to end up like your older brother. I was robbed of actually seeing,
:07:14. > :07:18.because I was still a child myself The pain and sense of loss has
:07:18. > :07:28.never left them It made me, at 15 years of age, hate somebody I
:07:28. > :07:29.
:07:29. > :07:35.didn't know. What did it achieve? Nothing. It only achieved that we
:07:35. > :07:38.have an empty seat and this... It is eating away at us like cancer.
:07:38. > :07:41.No-one has ever been convicted for the Kingsmills Massacre, but hunger
:07:41. > :07:44.striker Raymond McCreesh was later caught with a weapon linked to the
:07:44. > :07:52.attack Colin believes putting the peace site at the Maze would become
:07:52. > :07:57.a shrine to those involved in his brother's murder. We are totally
:07:57. > :08:02.opposed to anything to be left. The H-Block, Hospital Wing or whatever
:08:02. > :08:12.else they have. Totally opposed. They should have flattened the
:08:12. > :08:18.
:08:18. > :08:21.whole lot of it. I do feel it will During the decades the prison was
:08:21. > :08:24.open, it was often seen as a microcosom of the Troubles -
:08:24. > :08:28.marking moments of turmoil and the move towards peace. Its doors
:08:28. > :08:30.finally closed in 2000 and they have remained so ever since. For
:08:30. > :08:39.some Unionist critics of the planned peace building, the site
:08:39. > :08:42.will be a permanent insult to those bereaved in the Troubles. It will
:08:42. > :08:45.be a place where people gather to exalt in and to glorify in what
:08:45. > :08:48.those who were rightfully in that prison did and to totally ignore
:08:49. > :08:58.why they were in prison and the crimes they committed and the
:08:59. > :09:03.
:09:03. > :09:06.stream of victims they left behind them. I don't think any of us want
:09:06. > :09:09.to glorify anything. No Republican wants that to happen, all we want
:09:09. > :09:12.to happen on that site is that people are allowed to tell the
:09:12. > :09:15.history of the site, no glory. Because when we look back, in
:09:15. > :09:18.conflict there is no glory. What we should do is reflect on the pain,
:09:18. > :09:24.the suffering, the sacrifice and allow people then to reflect on
:09:24. > :09:28.that. Jim Allister has organised a petition to try and overturn the
:09:28. > :09:33.plans to locate the peace centre at the Maze and argues what's left of
:09:33. > :09:36.the prison buildings, which are listed, should be flattened. Well,
:09:36. > :09:41.if we need a Peace and Reconciliation Centre - and that's
:09:41. > :09:45.maybe a debate on its own. But, if we do - let me accept that we do
:09:45. > :09:50.for a moment - why would you ever build on the most divisive site you
:09:50. > :09:52.can find in Northern Ireland? By choosing to site it cheek-by-jowl
:09:52. > :10:00.with the prison buildings, you're guaranteeing to tarnish the
:10:00. > :10:03.building, to blight it and to taint it with the history of the site.
:10:03. > :10:08.who decided on the current plan? Unionists blame each other,
:10:08. > :10:14.particularly over the listed status over the retained prison buildings.
:10:14. > :10:18.The UUP go so far as suggesting a DUP - Sinn Fein deal. It does
:10:18. > :10:23.appear that the DUP's stance on the Maze changed in 2007, the very year
:10:23. > :10:27.that Ian Paisley sat down with Gerry Adams and did a deal. Now we
:10:27. > :10:32.know that they sat down publicly together. They obviously must of
:10:32. > :10:35.sat down privately together or a least on behalf of the two parties.
:10:35. > :10:39.What I would like to know is what they agreed behind the scenes with
:10:39. > :10:42.regard to the development of the Maze. Well, that simply isn't true.
:10:42. > :10:45.I have been involved in this issue right throughout and I can assure
:10:45. > :10:51.you that at no stage did the DUP withdraw their opposition to the
:10:51. > :10:55.listed building. Well, in 2007, the proposal from Sinn Fein, UUP and
:10:55. > :10:59.SDLP was to put the peace centre into the retained buildings. We
:10:59. > :11:02.vetoed that. When we took control of OFMDFM, we said that isn't going
:11:02. > :11:12.to happen and we held the line until the other parties changed
:11:12. > :11:17.
:11:17. > :11:19.Deal or no deal, one commentator says, for Republicans, the legacy
:11:19. > :11:23.of the hunger strikes is non- negotiable. This is something which
:11:23. > :11:26.had to be done to give the rank and file of the Republican movement,
:11:26. > :11:30.and particularly and specifically the rank and file of the IRA who
:11:30. > :11:37.fought the war, they had to be given a stake in what has come out
:11:37. > :11:40.of their struggle. Academic Kris Brown says all those with vested
:11:40. > :11:49.interests in the Maze development are mindful of the sensitivities in
:11:49. > :11:52.their own heartlands. Here, as in common with other divided societies,
:11:52. > :11:57.history is live and contested and can often be used as a stick to
:11:57. > :12:00.beat your opponents with. It can used as a valuable resource in the
:12:00. > :12:06.peace process, not simply to wield over the other community, but also
:12:06. > :12:08.within your own community. For example, mainstream Republicans
:12:08. > :12:18.would be very concerned about dissident groups hijacking the
:12:18. > :12:21.memory of the hunger strikers, if you like. They would be fearful if
:12:21. > :12:24.they were to abandon the memory of Irish Republican armed struggle
:12:24. > :12:34.that it won't simply be forgotten about - it will be picked up by
:12:34. > :12:37.
:12:37. > :12:40.spoiler groups, dissident groups, project have been hard to get hold
:12:40. > :12:43.of and for some this has increased speculation of a secret deal.
:12:43. > :12:46.the last few months, Unionists opposing the Maze development say
:12:46. > :12:48.they've asked for information about the site including details of what
:12:48. > :12:51.consultation took place and what other locations were considered for
:12:51. > :13:01.the peace building. They say, they've had no satisfactory answers
:13:01. > :13:02.
:13:02. > :13:05.as yet. Over the last couple of weeks we have also requested
:13:05. > :13:09.information on the site - we received no detailed response - but
:13:09. > :13:13.the office of the First and Deputy First Minister told us they have
:13:13. > :13:23.consulted with the victims sector. They said the process has been
:13:23. > :13:24.
:13:24. > :13:28.transparent but that some detail is commercially confidential. I put in
:13:28. > :13:31.a request to go on to the site, to see where the new peace building is
:13:31. > :13:34.going to be and take a look at what's left of the prison buildings.
:13:34. > :13:39.But the fact that this publicly owned land - and funded by Europe
:13:39. > :13:43.-we still haven't got a response to our request. So, at the moment, this
:13:43. > :13:51.is as close as I can get to the site of a building that is meant to bring
:13:51. > :13:54.us closer together. It is over there somewhere. There it is. For some,
:13:54. > :14:02.the reason we struggle to bring communities closer together is at
:14:02. > :14:06.the very heart of what's wrong with the peace agreement itself. There is
:14:06. > :14:12.still a huge job that needs to be done to assist Northern Ireland to
:14:12. > :14:18.come to terms with its past. Where is the debate about what forgiveness
:14:18. > :14:28.means? About tolerance? About how we can learn to live together with
:14:28. > :14:32.
:14:32. > :14:42.former enemies in peace. It is quite clearly an us and them Government.
:14:42. > :14:46.
:14:46. > :14:49.Every single thing needs to be scheme. The unstated strategy of
:14:49. > :14:59.some of those involved in these negotiations has been fudged your
:14:59. > :15:02.way to freedom. But the fudging doesn't settle anything, fudging by
:15:02. > :15:05.its nature doesn't clarify anything, i think that what we have got up
:15:05. > :15:08.here is a settlement which is based on permanent negotiations, permanent
:15:08. > :15:12.disagreement. Its never going to reach an end point. There is never
:15:12. > :15:14.going to be a point where both the DUP and Sinn Fein are going to say,
:15:14. > :15:20.there, there is the finished article. Inside this apparent
:15:20. > :15:30.fudge, and agreements to disagree. A process that at its worst just opens
:15:30. > :15:36.
:15:36. > :15:40.hierarchy of victims I don't agree with it but there is actually a
:15:40. > :15:43.hierarchy?. Once you make this moral point and say the man who pulls the
:15:43. > :15:45.trigger is exactly the same as the man who's brain the bullet went
:15:45. > :15:50.through, you've debased all of politics, you've debased morality,
:15:50. > :15:53.you've undermined democracy. There is a hierarchy of victims in
:15:53. > :15:55.northern ireland that there have been people who have died in the war
:15:55. > :15:58.or conflict here that nobody particularly wants to remember?..
:15:58. > :16:06.You know, sometimes when we are debating the hunger strikers who
:16:06. > :16:14.died?.or the Bloody Sunday people. , people who died in the Shankill
:16:14. > :16:18.bomb, or Enniskillen. You have to wonder sometimes what the thoughts
:16:18. > :16:22.are of somebody who lost one person, who lost a brother or a son, are
:16:22. > :16:25.they supposed just to stand at their door and listen to all this and then
:16:25. > :16:35.go in quietly and nurse their grief on their own. Some people do, a lot
:16:35. > :16:39.
:16:39. > :16:49.of people do, but its not fair, its their family's story has been
:16:49. > :16:54.
:16:54. > :16:56.embarrassment, any innocent victim out there that have suffered like we
:16:56. > :17:00.have suffered, catholic and protestant, is an embarrassment they
:17:00. > :17:10.have got their minds made up. will stick to it. They don't care.
:17:10. > :17:15.
:17:15. > :17:25.Full. As long as they don't suffer, building will elevate some dead - at
:17:25. > :17:30.
:17:30. > :17:32.from planet Mars and you landed and you spent a week listening to radio
:17:32. > :17:35.and watching TV reading the newspapers you would be forgiven for
:17:35. > :17:38.concluding that only about twenty people died during the troubles.
:17:38. > :17:41.Thirteen of them on a particular day in Londonderry in the early
:17:41. > :17:44.seventies and those were the victims of Bloody Sunday. And a few others
:17:44. > :17:47.high profile cases. But three and a half thousand plus people died. Tens
:17:47. > :17:51.of thousands have been affected with physical and mental health issues
:17:51. > :17:56.and they are largely forgotten. it would be wrong to think that all
:17:56. > :18:04.victims' families oppose the redevelopment at the Maze. Alan
:18:04. > :18:09.McBride's wife was killed in 1993 in the Shankill Road bomb. Their
:18:09. > :18:11.feelings have to be taken on board. But they have mixed feelings. There
:18:11. > :18:15.are victims out there who undoubtedly would never go near the
:18:15. > :18:24.Maze Prison. There are others who have said they would gladly go
:18:24. > :18:30.there. I think we have to find an accommodation. But we'll all stories
:18:30. > :18:40.be told? The first and deputy First Minister effectively have a veto
:18:40. > :18:42.
:18:42. > :18:48.body says there is more autonomy than something. When I first met
:18:48. > :18:53.with them, they talked about the independence of the development
:18:53. > :18:58.corporation, it is an arm's-length body. The corporation owned the
:18:59. > :19:02.land, so it is our sponsored ability to develop it. But against those
:19:02. > :19:09.parameters that were set down by the first and Deputy first and were
:19:09. > :19:12.enshrined at the beginning. It does not sound very independent? You have
:19:12. > :19:16.to accept that when you are independent, it does not mean you
:19:16. > :19:23.are completely independent of life. There will always be people you
:19:23. > :19:27.report to. For some, it's inevitable that the first and Deputy First
:19:27. > :19:32.Minister decided to have control over the development. I think it is
:19:32. > :19:38.arguably the last thing you should ask to run this place. Out of the
:19:38. > :19:45.nominees. On the other hand, being realistic, given what is happening
:19:45. > :19:52.in Northern Ireland, I don't doubt that that was the first and only
:19:52. > :19:59.idea that the powers that be had. Let's have them run this place,
:19:59. > :20:02.let's have Sinn Fein and the DUP share this out, after all, they're
:20:02. > :20:09.sharing everything else out, why shouldn't they share out the maze
:20:09. > :20:16.Long Kesh. The Alex Kane, having control over
:20:16. > :20:20.the project is key. He knows that for a core part of his audience,
:20:20. > :20:26.they will see this as a shrine and them to what he says, they will see
:20:26. > :20:31.it as a shrine. It almost like a sane, trust me, trust me with this.
:20:31. > :20:34.I think the problem they both face is that they are key constituencies
:20:34. > :20:39.that are disconnecting with them. It is remarkable they've managed to
:20:39. > :20:44.keep the whole process stumbling along. Chris Brown believes that
:20:44. > :20:50.providing a yes or no option or an on or off switch could threaten the
:20:50. > :21:00.success of the site. Everyone realises how difficult these
:21:00. > :21:04.
:21:04. > :21:09.histories can be to tell within an put in place to try and deal with
:21:09. > :21:14.that. It does not generally involve giving a switch to a political
:21:14. > :21:18.leadership from a party whether it is Unionist or Republican. Jeffrey
:21:18. > :21:22.Donaldson was clear about invoking that yes or no option in a radio
:21:22. > :21:32.interview. There would be someone they're saying this is where Bobby
:21:32. > :21:35.
:21:35. > :21:39.that world eulogise their hunger strikers, whoever they may be, no
:21:39. > :21:44.matter how notorious they are. We have listened to the victims, unlike
:21:44. > :21:50.others. That is why the new peace Centre will not be in the listed
:21:50. > :21:53.buildings. Jeffrey Donaldson said that the name of Bobby Sands will
:21:53. > :21:58.not be even mention. That's so farcical that no one should believe
:21:58. > :22:06.it. It would be like telling the history of Manchester United without
:22:06. > :22:12.George Best. Sands and the hunger strikers will obviously feature. The
:22:12. > :22:16.important thing is to ensure that other voices are there. Alan McBride
:22:16. > :22:22.says we must respect each other's stories and that is something that
:22:22. > :22:26.is not always apparent. If there is a debate around some issue, whether
:22:26. > :22:30.its flags, whether it is the prison, they are very quickly go back into
:22:30. > :22:37.their own camps and where they are coming from and so I sometimes
:22:37. > :22:42.wonder is it all at face value, is there any depth to the sort of
:22:42. > :22:50.pursuit for priests. But its not just families of victims who have
:22:51. > :22:53.opposing views. Former prisoners from both sides do too. Anthony
:22:53. > :22:57.McIntyre, aFormer Republican prisoner, now a critic of Sinn Fein,
:22:57. > :23:07.is fearful of what he see's as the legacy of the hunger strikers Being
:23:07. > :23:13.
:23:13. > :23:17.Sinn Fein halal Bobby Sands to be airbrushed out. I think it would
:23:17. > :23:23.confirm the staters of Martin McGuinness, because he would have
:23:23. > :23:28.meant a little more than Deputy dog. I mean have things gone so bad that
:23:28. > :23:33.be Sands will be next described as some sort of mistake and criminal?
:23:33. > :23:43.Former loyalist prisoner Billy Hutchison believes the prison will
:23:43. > :23:43.
:23:43. > :23:47.become a shrine. I think it would be madness to open that site as some
:23:47. > :23:57.sort of museum or anything else, because they are not going to stop
:23:57. > :23:57.
:23:57. > :24:00.it being a shrine, no matter what agreement you get, it will happen.
:24:00. > :24:04.don't mean to sound twee or you know cliche about this but the shrine
:24:04. > :24:07.that I want to see to the guys who died there is the new agreed Ireland
:24:07. > :24:15.that they died for basically. It's not some building outside Lisburn
:24:15. > :24:18.you know that's not what they died for. Billy Hutchinson's is also
:24:18. > :24:28.worried the role that Loyalist played in the prison will be totally
:24:28. > :24:28.
:24:28. > :24:32.oveshadowed. Not only has the history being rewritten and we have
:24:32. > :24:36.had this revisionism and we are going to have it in the is and you
:24:36. > :24:43.know it's bad enough having to listen to people who tell me how
:24:43. > :24:48.they won the peace and revised all of this. Like many of his
:24:48. > :24:54.counterparts, he feels any attempt to ban the mention of the hunger
:24:54. > :25:04.strikes will fail. How do you hold back on answering questions to
:25:04. > :25:09.
:25:09. > :25:13.tourists or anybody else who knows about the Sands? -- Bobby Sands.
:25:13. > :25:18.when any story about what happened at the maze is finally agreed for
:25:18. > :25:25.tourists to hear, will anyone want to go? To find out, I hit the
:25:25. > :25:31.tourist trail. I think it would be an interesting tour. What would be
:25:31. > :25:38.the kind of thing you would want to see? Again, trying better to
:25:38. > :25:42.understand what went on and why. be honest, I think most non-Irish
:25:42. > :25:52.people with close roots in the United States know very little about
:25:52. > :25:58.
:25:58. > :26:06.time... I think it will bring back animosity. I think I would go and
:26:06. > :26:10.see it. I guess, insofar as we saw a jail when we were in Dublin and it
:26:10. > :26:16.was fascinating so to be able to see that in Belfast, I guess the
:26:16. > :26:20.conflict is a bit later and closer to now but it would be interesting.
:26:20. > :26:26.I typically don't go to places of torture or incarceration. It makes
:26:26. > :26:36.me feel uncomfortable and I just don't put myself through it. So what
:26:36. > :26:48.
:26:48. > :26:55.27 years in the prison service. I want to see the maze levels. Let's
:26:55. > :27:04.bury all of that. He had be in charge when Billy Wright was killed
:27:04. > :27:11.by republicans inside the maze. murder of Billy Wright... I could
:27:11. > :27:15.not have anticipate how it would affect my life. The loyalist
:27:15. > :27:23.paramilitary footy may have colluded in the killing. The death threats
:27:23. > :27:27.came thick and fast and the house moves followed. Then the climax of
:27:27. > :27:34.that was retirement with poster Matic to stress disorder. It got the
:27:35. > :27:38.point where could not cope any more. He says his time in the prison
:27:38. > :27:46.service cost him his health and career. But his objection has
:27:46. > :27:51.recently changed. What society has been doing is running away from it.
:27:51. > :27:54.It may be the thing that makes us actually confront it, confront our
:27:54. > :28:04.past and deal with it through this new centre and hopefully then,
:28:04. > :28:10.
:28:10. > :28:18.provided a glimpse of what is possible here, but the shadow of the
:28:18. > :28:24.past hangs heavy over the site. Just as it does over Northern Ireland.
:28:24. > :28:29.There is no attempt made to deal with the legacy of the conflict. The
:28:29. > :28:35.prisons were simply a part and parcel of that legacy and until you
:28:35. > :28:42.have a process that in place to look at all of that, you are going to
:28:42. > :28:50.have... You're going to have disagreement. If you forget the
:28:50. > :28:54.past, history will repeat itself. We should get it sorted out now, before
:28:54. > :29:00.my generation goes and the next generation comes along, because