0:00:12 > 0:00:19This programme contains some strong language.
0:00:19 > 0:00:20Ardoyne.
0:00:20 > 0:00:24The most contentious of all Orange Order marches.
0:00:25 > 0:00:29Here, the 12th July usually means trouble.
0:00:29 > 0:00:31From one side or the other.
0:00:35 > 0:00:39Last year, the North Belfast parade descended into chaos.
0:00:40 > 0:00:46The violence lasted for three days and was broadcast around the world.
0:00:46 > 0:00:50NEWS REPORT: As protestors danced, water cannon were brought in.
0:00:50 > 0:00:52Officers were injured in the clashes.
0:00:52 > 0:00:55Within the last few minutes, Mr Dodds has been knocked
0:00:55 > 0:00:59unconscious by missiles thrown during the demonstration.
0:00:59 > 0:01:02Nigel Dodds was one of several people injured that day,
0:01:02 > 0:01:05all because three Orange Lodges were prevented from marching
0:01:05 > 0:01:08home along their traditional route.
0:01:08 > 0:01:09One of the bands involved in the parade was
0:01:09 > 0:01:11the Pride of Ardoyne Flute Band.
0:01:13 > 0:01:15I was there on the 12th, making a documentary.
0:01:18 > 0:01:22As the parade became a riot, we were asked to stop filming
0:01:22 > 0:01:25and leave by a man we believe to be a paramilitary.
0:01:27 > 0:01:30We watched from the other side of the police lines as Loyalists
0:01:30 > 0:01:32rioted long into the night.
0:01:41 > 0:01:44This year, for the past number of weeks,
0:01:44 > 0:01:48Spotlight has been given unique access to people on both sides
0:01:48 > 0:01:50of this bitter dispute,
0:01:50 > 0:01:53from Republicans who want to see an end to the parades in this
0:01:53 > 0:01:57part of Belfast, to Loyalists who say they'll never give up trying
0:01:57 > 0:02:00to complete the march they started almost a year ago.
0:02:01 > 0:02:05For the Pride of Ardoyne band who I filmed with last year,
0:02:05 > 0:02:09these protests are becoming a fact of life.
0:02:09 > 0:02:12So how many people do this tonight?
0:02:12 > 0:02:1450 or 60, I think.
0:02:14 > 0:02:16How often are you doing this protest parade?
0:02:16 > 0:02:20- People are there seven days a week. - Every day?
0:02:20 > 0:02:24Yes, every day, there's always somebody there.
0:02:24 > 0:02:26This is Gary Wells.
0:02:26 > 0:02:29He's the lead drummer in the Pride of Ardoyne Flute Band.
0:02:29 > 0:02:31The last time I filmed with him,
0:02:31 > 0:02:34he explained how much being in the band meant to him.
0:02:34 > 0:02:38It's always been there, it's part of my life.
0:02:38 > 0:02:41Practise every week, parades most weekends.
0:02:43 > 0:02:46It's been part of me growing up. It's always been there.
0:02:47 > 0:02:51Good to see you again. I remember you from last year. How are you?
0:02:52 > 0:02:55These days, the protest parades every night
0:02:55 > 0:02:59and on Saturdays mean the band is an even bigger part of Gary's life.
0:03:02 > 0:03:06You must be devoting a lot of time to this protest, are you?
0:03:06 > 0:03:08Is this every night?
0:03:08 > 0:03:12We have done every Saturday from the 12th, it's over 300 days.
0:03:13 > 0:03:15It's something we have to do.
0:03:21 > 0:03:24The bands and their supporters have set up a protest camp
0:03:24 > 0:03:26on Twaddell Avenue.
0:03:29 > 0:03:32There, I meet band leader Michael Crosby.
0:03:32 > 0:03:36He too has been here almost every day since the protest began.
0:03:37 > 0:03:40We walk around the corner to Woodvale Road.
0:03:40 > 0:03:43Each night, the protest march begins again,
0:03:43 > 0:03:46close to where the original parade was stopped by police.
0:03:47 > 0:03:52- Would there be this amount of police every night?- Monday to Saturday.
0:03:52 > 0:03:54Must cost a fortune.
0:03:54 > 0:03:57Between £35,000 and £45,000 a night.
0:03:57 > 0:03:59- A night?!- Yeah.
0:03:59 > 0:04:00£35,000 a day.
0:04:04 > 0:04:09Even today, the police presence here is overwhelming.
0:04:09 > 0:04:11Since the 12th of July last year,
0:04:11 > 0:04:15policing these protests has cost in excess of £9 million.
0:04:19 > 0:04:23They don't want a parade, up or down the road.
0:04:23 > 0:04:25They don't want a return parade.
0:04:25 > 0:04:27So what do we do? I mean, do we...
0:04:28 > 0:04:31I don't know. We need to get home.
0:04:31 > 0:04:34Nobody wants chaos like last year.
0:04:36 > 0:04:40Tonight, the atmosphere is calm. Even jovial...
0:04:46 > 0:04:49Very different to the last time I was here.
0:04:50 > 0:04:54- Do you remember coming on the 12th? - I'll never forget it.
0:04:54 > 0:04:59- It was unbelievable.- There was about 2,000 people already there.- Yes.
0:04:59 > 0:05:03I remember it all seemed to happen very quickly...
0:05:03 > 0:05:06Once you got up to the police lines within minutes, there was
0:05:06 > 0:05:07water cannon going.
0:05:07 > 0:05:10My wife brought me down shorts and a T-shirt,
0:05:10 > 0:05:12we thought we were staying there.
0:05:12 > 0:05:16But we didn't get a chance, they had us with water cannons.
0:05:16 > 0:05:20It got violent really, really quickly.
0:05:26 > 0:05:29The violence spread across Belfast.
0:05:30 > 0:05:3432 police officers were injured at Woodvale alone.
0:05:34 > 0:05:38Since the last 12th of July, 238 people have been charged with public
0:05:38 > 0:05:40disorder across greater Belfast.
0:05:42 > 0:05:46This eventually gave way to the nightly protest marches.
0:05:46 > 0:05:50Tonight, the bands are about to begin march number 309.
0:05:53 > 0:05:56The march itself takes about 15 minutes
0:05:56 > 0:05:59and the bands play music for another 15 minutes
0:05:59 > 0:06:03when they get near the semi-permanent camp at Twaddell Avenue.
0:06:03 > 0:06:06For the last few months, they have adhered to the determinations
0:06:06 > 0:06:09laid down by the Parades Commission.
0:06:09 > 0:06:11But that wasn't always the case.
0:06:11 > 0:06:16No notice of this public procession has been given to the PSNI.
0:06:16 > 0:06:19In the early days of the protest last summer,
0:06:19 > 0:06:23the behaviour of some bandsmen and protestors went too far,
0:06:23 > 0:06:27according to former Parades Commissioner Brian Kennaway.
0:06:27 > 0:06:31# Why don't you go home? #
0:06:34 > 0:06:37The behaviour was certainly not in keeping with the core
0:06:37 > 0:06:39values of the Orange institution.
0:06:39 > 0:06:44It is been undermined seriously by the behaviour at Twaddell,
0:06:44 > 0:06:47when we find people with Orange banners dancing
0:06:47 > 0:06:50and singing the words of the famine song.
0:06:50 > 0:06:56That is simply not on, in terms of trying to reach an accommodation
0:06:56 > 0:06:58with the community.
0:07:00 > 0:07:05The PSNI have confirmed that since the 12th of July last year,
0:07:05 > 0:07:08there have been 76 breaches of Parades Commission
0:07:08 > 0:07:11determinations at Woodvale Road and Twaddell Avenue.
0:07:12 > 0:07:15They say that 20 people have been arrested
0:07:15 > 0:07:17and that their inquiries are ongoing.
0:07:21 > 0:07:24At Camp Twaddell, Orangeman Gerald Solinas
0:07:24 > 0:07:25offers to show me around.
0:07:26 > 0:07:30This is Camp Twaddell. Is this legal?
0:07:30 > 0:07:32I know the parades are legal
0:07:32 > 0:07:35but is it legal to be on this patch of ground?
0:07:35 > 0:07:37I'm not sure. HE LAUGHS
0:07:37 > 0:07:39Do you not care?
0:07:39 > 0:07:43I do believe that there's no law against it
0:07:43 > 0:07:45within the UK.
0:07:45 > 0:07:50on a derelict piece of land. That's what I believe.
0:07:50 > 0:07:53I'm not sure if it's truthfully lawful or not.
0:07:53 > 0:07:57- So this is our catering Portakabin. - This is quite a set-up.
0:07:57 > 0:07:59Who pays for all this?
0:07:59 > 0:08:04The donations come from all around the world, Australia, America.
0:08:04 > 0:08:06From England, Scotland and Wales.
0:08:06 > 0:08:09Various businessmen have all donated to the campaign.
0:08:09 > 0:08:12What happens if it doesn't go in your favour?
0:08:12 > 0:08:14If you don't get the return leg of the march?
0:08:14 > 0:08:17We'll stay here and keep protesting.
0:08:17 > 0:08:21- For as long as it takes? - For as long as it takes, basically.
0:08:21 > 0:08:23Camp Twaddell is no more than 20 metres away
0:08:23 > 0:08:26from Nationalist and Republican parts of Ardoyne
0:08:26 > 0:08:31and is seen by many as an unwelcome aggravation.
0:08:31 > 0:08:35There have been several incidents of violence against the camp.
0:08:35 > 0:08:38In December, shots were fired from Ardoyne towards police
0:08:38 > 0:08:42and there have been two incidents where flags and banners have been attacked.
0:08:42 > 0:08:44For the most part,
0:08:44 > 0:08:49the presence of the camp has not led to serious ongoing unrest.
0:08:49 > 0:08:52Partly, that's down to people like Father Gary Donegan who
0:08:52 > 0:08:56lives in the Holy Cross monastery which overlooks the flash point.
0:08:57 > 0:09:01I've always said we are always two golf balls away from a riot.
0:09:01 > 0:09:05Every night, he patrols the streets with other inter-faith workers
0:09:05 > 0:09:08trying to keep young Nationalists away from the camp.
0:09:08 > 0:09:11If he sees a group of young people congregating,
0:09:11 > 0:09:13he tries to get them to move on.
0:09:13 > 0:09:17Started off the first night, 1,800 people,
0:09:17 > 0:09:21it went on till two or three in the morning.
0:09:21 > 0:09:24The first night of the Twaddell Camp?
0:09:24 > 0:09:27Yes, then it basically got smaller
0:09:27 > 0:09:29until it went to hundreds,
0:09:29 > 0:09:31then it went to dozens.
0:09:31 > 0:09:35As the nights wore on, it ended up
0:09:35 > 0:09:38basically a few young people.
0:09:38 > 0:09:41The last thing they want is to have is a priest standing in the middle
0:09:41 > 0:09:43of the gang because he interferes with the conversation.
0:09:43 > 0:09:46So you disperse them by ruining their street cred?
0:09:46 > 0:09:47That's it.
0:09:47 > 0:09:53Some people in Ardoyne see the camp at Twaddell not as a peaceful protest but as a provocation.
0:09:54 > 0:09:56Dee Fennell is the spokesman
0:09:56 > 0:10:01for the Greater Ardoyne Residents' Collective also known as GARC.
0:10:01 > 0:10:04He's lived in Ardoyne all of his life.
0:10:04 > 0:10:09In 1971, his grandmother was shot and seriously injured
0:10:09 > 0:10:12following an Orange Order parade past Ardoyne.
0:10:16 > 0:10:18What is your opinion of Camp Twaddell
0:10:18 > 0:10:20and the effect it's had on this community?
0:10:20 > 0:10:22People in this area, we live cheek by jowl
0:10:22 > 0:10:25with people in the Shankhill that know who UVF personnel are.
0:10:25 > 0:10:30We see UVF men at it on a regular basis, daily.
0:10:30 > 0:10:33Basically it's a bigot fest, it's a hate camp.
0:10:35 > 0:10:38I think basically the people need to go away.
0:10:38 > 0:10:39On Saturdays,
0:10:39 > 0:10:43speeches are given to the assembled crowds at Woodvale Avenue.
0:10:43 > 0:10:46They often involve representatives from the Orange Order,
0:10:46 > 0:10:49sharing a platform with Loyalist leaders.
0:10:49 > 0:10:53# ..God save our gracious Queen... #
0:10:53 > 0:10:56Here, one of those leaders, Winston Irvine,
0:10:56 > 0:11:00shares a podium with Mervyn Gibson from the Orange Order.
0:11:00 > 0:11:03Last year, Spotlight investigated Winston Irvine's links with
0:11:03 > 0:11:09the UVF and named him as a senior UVF commander in Belfast.
0:11:09 > 0:11:12He strenuously denies that allegation.
0:11:12 > 0:11:16What do you make of the criticism from the Republican side and others
0:11:16 > 0:11:21that there's heavy involvement from people known to be involved in the UVF?
0:11:21 > 0:11:26I can assure you from the inside that it's a united Loyalist front
0:11:26 > 0:11:28and Unionist front. The political parties,
0:11:28 > 0:11:30the Ulster Unionist Party, the Democratic Unionists,
0:11:30 > 0:11:33the Progressive Unionist Party. There are people from local bands,
0:11:33 > 0:11:35and communities, three local lodges
0:11:35 > 0:11:37supported by Orange from around the country.
0:11:37 > 0:11:39So it's not a slow run by anybody.
0:11:39 > 0:11:43Do you see any kind of problem with someone like yourself or
0:11:43 > 0:11:49Orange leaders sharing platforms with people who are known to have paramilitary links?
0:11:49 > 0:11:51Do you accept that's a problem?
0:11:51 > 0:11:54I always find that a strange question because
0:11:54 > 0:12:00we've a government where the deputy leader of that government is a known IRA leader.
0:12:00 > 0:12:03So, why is there a always a question when somebody stands on a platform
0:12:03 > 0:12:06with whoever? Because everybody in this country's got a past.
0:12:06 > 0:12:08That doesn't mean they can't have a future.
0:12:08 > 0:12:10If it applies to the Deputy First Minister,
0:12:10 > 0:12:13it applies to anyone who stands with us in Twaddell.
0:12:13 > 0:12:16# ..God save our Queen... #
0:12:16 > 0:12:19So, do you think it is wrong for leading Orangemen
0:12:19 > 0:12:22or leading Unionist politicians to stand beside
0:12:22 > 0:12:26people who have clear paramilitary links?
0:12:26 > 0:12:31It's not just clear paramilitary links in the past. It's...
0:12:31 > 0:12:35The perception is that there are still paramilitary links today,
0:12:35 > 0:12:40and because of that, it is certainly, in my humble opinion, quite immoral.
0:12:40 > 0:12:42To Orangemen, the Parades Commission decision
0:12:42 > 0:12:46not to let the parade walk along the contentious route last year
0:12:46 > 0:12:48came as a real surprise.
0:12:48 > 0:12:51An unelected body,
0:12:51 > 0:12:53the Parades Commission.
0:12:53 > 0:12:55They wield arbitrary power.
0:12:55 > 0:12:58We will not accept it now. Never.
0:12:58 > 0:13:01The cry is, "No surrender!"
0:13:01 > 0:13:03CHEERS AND APPLAUSE
0:13:05 > 0:13:07It was the first time they had ever been
0:13:07 > 0:13:09prevented from returning by this route.
0:13:11 > 0:13:14The contentious stretch of road is really very short.
0:13:14 > 0:13:17It's roughly from the top of that hill behind me
0:13:17 > 0:13:18to a roundabout just down here,
0:13:18 > 0:13:22but Loyalists and Republicans see this little bit of road
0:13:22 > 0:13:23very differently.
0:13:23 > 0:13:26Loyalists see it as a shared space, a main arterial route
0:13:26 > 0:13:30that takes them home from their 12th of July celebrations.
0:13:30 > 0:13:32Republicans say that if it is a shared space,
0:13:32 > 0:13:36most of the houses along the front of this road are Nationalist
0:13:36 > 0:13:40and so the views of those residents have to be taken into account.
0:13:41 > 0:13:45Back in the caravan at Camp Twaddell, I meet Bobby Spence.
0:13:45 > 0:13:48He's been in the Pride of Ardoyne band for over 40 years.
0:13:48 > 0:13:53Why is it so important to walk up that stretch of road?
0:13:53 > 0:13:58I live there. I've lived in Ardoyne from 1969.
0:13:58 > 0:14:03They talk about Ardoyne residents say that they don't want the parade
0:14:03 > 0:14:05but I'm an Ardoyne resident.
0:14:05 > 0:14:08The thing that stops this parade is the threat of Republican violence.
0:14:10 > 0:14:13I asked Brian Kennoway whether last year's Parades Commission,
0:14:13 > 0:14:15which he served on,
0:14:15 > 0:14:18took previous Republican violence into account
0:14:18 > 0:14:20when making its decision.
0:14:20 > 0:14:22Some Loyalists that I have been speaking to
0:14:22 > 0:14:26say that the main reason, perhaps the only reason,
0:14:26 > 0:14:29why the parade wasn't allowed back up the road last year
0:14:29 > 0:14:32was the threat of Republican violence,
0:14:32 > 0:14:34and that the main criteria used by the Parades Commission
0:14:34 > 0:14:37was to stop that rioting within the Republican community.
0:14:37 > 0:14:40- Is that what happened? - That was not the main reason, no.
0:14:40 > 0:14:44You take all things into consideration, obviously,
0:14:44 > 0:14:48but the main one was, there was no sustained conversation.
0:14:54 > 0:14:58This is Joe Marley. He's the spokesperson for CARA,
0:14:58 > 0:15:01the Crumlin and Ardoyne Residents' Association.
0:15:02 > 0:15:05CARA has the support of Sinn Fein
0:15:05 > 0:15:08and is recognised by other political parties and, crucially,
0:15:08 > 0:15:10the Orange Order, as the group
0:15:10 > 0:15:13which best represents the residents of Ardoyne.
0:15:13 > 0:15:17Joe told me that one of the reasons many Ardoyne residents
0:15:17 > 0:15:20don't want the parades is because of the troubled and painful
0:15:20 > 0:15:23history of this area.
0:15:23 > 0:15:26There have been 50 people murdered in the local area by Loyalists.
0:15:26 > 0:15:29Of those 50, 12 were murdered in the immediate vicinity,
0:15:29 > 0:15:31some of them on the Crumlin Road,
0:15:31 > 0:15:35so we had bands that are affiliated to the Loyal Orders,
0:15:35 > 0:15:37that actually pay homage to some of the people
0:15:37 > 0:15:40that actually murdered some of those people.
0:15:40 > 0:15:41In fact, in one instance,
0:15:41 > 0:15:44a band celebrating a Loyalist
0:15:44 > 0:15:47walks past the spot in which that local man was killed.
0:15:47 > 0:15:50Joe's own father, Larry Marley,
0:15:50 > 0:15:53was one of those who was killed by Loyalists.
0:15:53 > 0:15:55A known IRA man in the area,
0:15:55 > 0:15:59he was shot at the family's front door in Ardoyne in 1987,
0:15:59 > 0:16:01when Joe was just 15.
0:16:01 > 0:16:04Tensions were so high between the two communities,
0:16:04 > 0:16:07and between the police and Republicans,
0:16:07 > 0:16:10that the funeral had to be cancelled twice for security reasons.
0:16:12 > 0:16:14I think there's a historic context to it.
0:16:14 > 0:16:17You go back as recently as 2001,
0:16:17 > 0:16:20when we had the Holy Cross blockade lasting 16 weeks.
0:16:20 > 0:16:23I think a lot of that informs people's decisions
0:16:23 > 0:16:26and attitudes towards the Orange Order.
0:16:26 > 0:16:30The Holy Cross School dispute may have been 13 years ago,
0:16:30 > 0:16:31but for some people here,
0:16:31 > 0:16:36it still casts a long shadow and has led to deep bitterness,
0:16:36 > 0:16:40and that appears to have an effect on attitudes towards parading.
0:16:40 > 0:16:42SHOUTING
0:16:42 > 0:16:47It's the same people that threw bombs and piss at school kids in this area
0:16:47 > 0:16:50that are walking up and down past our homes,
0:16:50 > 0:16:52and now they're saying it's a shared space
0:16:52 > 0:16:55and they should be allowed to spout their sectarianism
0:16:55 > 0:16:58on another stretch of road. I mean, they need to get real.
0:16:58 > 0:17:02But within Ardoyne, there's no love lost between the two groups
0:17:02 > 0:17:05which both claim to represent the views of the majority
0:17:05 > 0:17:07of Nationalist residents.
0:17:07 > 0:17:11Whilst to people on the outside, GARC and CARA would appear
0:17:11 > 0:17:14to represent a similar anti-parading viewpoint,
0:17:14 > 0:17:17there are some crucial differences in their positions.
0:17:17 > 0:17:21For one thing, CARA IS willing to compromise.
0:17:21 > 0:17:24CARA has told Spotlight that it's willing to facilitate
0:17:24 > 0:17:27the morning leg of the parade on 12th of July
0:17:27 > 0:17:30if the Order agrees to withdraw from the return leg.
0:17:30 > 0:17:33It's this evening parade which, in recent years,
0:17:33 > 0:17:37has seen serious violence and rioting in Ardoyne.
0:17:38 > 0:17:42All of this can only be agreed when we have the broad support
0:17:42 > 0:17:45and endorsement of the residents of Ardoyne,
0:17:45 > 0:17:48but we're confident that if the Orange Order are prepared to
0:17:48 > 0:17:50step up to the plate, show some positive leadership,
0:17:50 > 0:17:53we can resolve this issue. It's not insurmountable.
0:17:53 > 0:17:57Dee Fennell says GARC wants no such compromise.
0:17:57 > 0:18:00# ..We are not sectarian... #
0:18:00 > 0:18:05He believes the only answer is an end to all parades
0:18:05 > 0:18:08along this contested route, that Orangemen and their supporters
0:18:08 > 0:18:10should not be allowed to march
0:18:10 > 0:18:13either in the morning or the evening.
0:18:13 > 0:18:17THEY CHANT: No violence here! No violence here!
0:18:17 > 0:18:21In the past, members of GARC had been willing to break the law
0:18:21 > 0:18:23in an attempt to stop parades.
0:18:23 > 0:18:26In 2010, Dee Fennell was arrested
0:18:26 > 0:18:31after staging a sit-down protest in an attempt to disrupt a march.
0:18:31 > 0:18:36He refused to pay the court fine and was sent to prison for six days.
0:18:38 > 0:18:40Protests against parades in Ardoyne have often
0:18:40 > 0:18:43coincided with serious violence...
0:18:44 > 0:18:47..although Dee Fennell insists there's no link
0:18:47 > 0:18:50between the GARC protests and the rioting.
0:18:50 > 0:18:52Our position has always been clear.
0:18:52 > 0:18:56We don't want to see anyone engaged in any violence on the road
0:18:56 > 0:18:57or in these areas.
0:18:57 > 0:19:00I think when people in Ardoyne engage violence,
0:19:00 > 0:19:02it takes away from the core of the issue,
0:19:02 > 0:19:03which is the sectarian parade.
0:19:03 > 0:19:05But unfortunately, for generations,
0:19:05 > 0:19:09I mean, for well over a century, Loyal Order parades
0:19:09 > 0:19:12have been followed by violence by those who see them as supremacist
0:19:12 > 0:19:14and triumphalist,
0:19:14 > 0:19:17and unfortunately that could be an outcome.
0:19:17 > 0:19:20Critics of GARC say that in previous years,
0:19:20 > 0:19:25people are being actively brought in from other areas
0:19:25 > 0:19:29in order to riot here at Ardoyne. Have they?
0:19:29 > 0:19:32Well, if anyone has any evidence to suggest that GARC members
0:19:32 > 0:19:35are involved in orchestrating violence,
0:19:35 > 0:19:38and locally, it would be sometimes put across
0:19:38 > 0:19:40by people who would support Sinn Fein.
0:19:40 > 0:19:43I think they should do what their party leaders say they should do -
0:19:43 > 0:19:47contact the PSNI, and I'll see them in Laganside Court.
0:19:47 > 0:19:51There's another crucial difference between GARC and CARA.
0:19:51 > 0:19:54CARA says it represents only those residents living along
0:19:54 > 0:19:57or close to the parade route.
0:19:57 > 0:20:00GARC believes it should be up to ALL residents of Ardoyne
0:20:00 > 0:20:03to have their voices heard on parades.
0:20:03 > 0:20:06Dee Fennell says that in 2010,
0:20:06 > 0:20:08they surveyed every resident of Ardoyne.
0:20:08 > 0:20:11They say they got over 1,200 responses
0:20:11 > 0:20:14and that 70% of those who responded
0:20:14 > 0:20:19said they wanted no parades whatsoever along the Crumlin Road.
0:20:20 > 0:20:22Given that that was four years ago,
0:20:22 > 0:20:25do you think people might be more willing to compromise now?
0:20:25 > 0:20:27We stated at a public meeting in 2012,
0:20:27 > 0:20:31we were challenged by a Sinn Fein MLA who said,
0:20:31 > 0:20:35"That survey was two years ago and anybody could do a survey,"
0:20:35 > 0:20:37and our answer to those people would be, "Go and do one then,"
0:20:37 > 0:20:40and if they come back with a different answer, put it out there.
0:20:40 > 0:20:43Do a survey and ask the same questions.
0:20:43 > 0:20:47Spotlight carried out its own ad hoc survey of the houses facing
0:20:47 > 0:20:50directly onto the 12th of July parade route.
0:20:50 > 0:20:54We spoke to people in 38 of the 44 occupied houses
0:20:54 > 0:20:57between Hesketh Drive and Woodvale Road.
0:20:57 > 0:21:00Five residents didn't want to comment on the dispute.
0:21:00 > 0:21:0312 said they wanted all parades banned.
0:21:03 > 0:21:06Nine said they felt all parades should be allowed,
0:21:06 > 0:21:09and 12 were open to a compromise.
0:21:09 > 0:21:12So more than half of those we spoke to
0:21:12 > 0:21:16were open to some level of parading at certain times along the road.
0:21:18 > 0:21:20This wasn't a scientific survey
0:21:20 > 0:21:24but it does suggest that among some people who live along this road,
0:21:24 > 0:21:27there is an appetite for a resolution to this issue
0:21:27 > 0:21:30and there are those within Republicanism and Nationalism,
0:21:30 > 0:21:34who say they are willing to compromise to find that solution.
0:21:34 > 0:21:38The problem is that what seems like a compromise for Republicans -
0:21:38 > 0:21:41for example, allowing parades in the morning but not the evening -
0:21:41 > 0:21:45still represents an unacceptable capitulation to Loyalists.
0:21:45 > 0:21:48Who are they to say, "We agree to let you walk down
0:21:48 > 0:21:52"a main public road"? That's the main road.
0:21:52 > 0:21:56You've seen the route yourself. It's five minutes past shop fronts.
0:21:56 > 0:21:59There's this myth that it goes through a Nationalist area.
0:21:59 > 0:22:02It doesn't. It doesn't.
0:22:04 > 0:22:08And it doesn't help that even within Republicanism there is a deep
0:22:08 > 0:22:10division about how to deal with parading.
0:22:10 > 0:22:12TALKING OVER LOUDSPEAKER
0:22:15 > 0:22:17Last month, Dee Fennell stood for the first time
0:22:17 > 0:22:21in the local elections as an Independent Republican.
0:22:21 > 0:22:25That meant going up against the Sinn Fein political machine.
0:22:27 > 0:22:29It is election day at City Hall.
0:22:29 > 0:22:33- CHEERING - An incredible reaction to Gerry Adams.
0:22:39 > 0:22:42We caught up with Dee Fennell at the count for the Oldpark ward
0:22:42 > 0:22:44which includes Ardoyne.
0:22:44 > 0:22:49He was pleased with his first preferences, 846 votes.
0:22:49 > 0:22:53For a while, it looked to him as if he might even have a chance at
0:22:53 > 0:22:56gaining a council seat.
0:22:56 > 0:22:59There is an outside chance, if we get enough numbered...
0:22:59 > 0:23:01So you are still in with a shot?
0:23:01 > 0:23:03Still in with a chance.
0:23:05 > 0:23:07Someone else has also polled well,
0:23:07 > 0:23:12Julie-Anne Corr, a candidate for the Progressive Unionist Party.
0:23:12 > 0:23:14She was accompanied by fellow PUP members,
0:23:14 > 0:23:17Billy Hutchinson and Winston Irvine.
0:23:17 > 0:23:19Julie-Anne Corr rose to prominence
0:23:19 > 0:23:22in Loyalist circles last year by being outspoken on issues like
0:23:22 > 0:23:27flags and parading, and her message has struck a chord within Loyalism.
0:23:27 > 0:23:31This community and the wider Loyalist family have been left behind.
0:23:31 > 0:23:34Our areas have been neglected, our people have been pushed
0:23:34 > 0:23:36to the margins of society.
0:23:36 > 0:23:40It is only when you lift your anti-Orange policy will we as
0:23:40 > 0:23:44society be able to truly build a better future.
0:23:44 > 0:23:45Let them home.
0:23:47 > 0:23:51The count here for the Oldpark ward is a very close run thing.
0:23:51 > 0:23:55Here you have supporters of Independent Republican, Dee Fennell,
0:23:55 > 0:23:57who's vigorously opposed to all parading.
0:23:57 > 0:24:01In the background you have supporters of the PUP candidate,
0:24:01 > 0:24:05Julie-Anne Corr. It looks like the PUP will take a seat.
0:24:05 > 0:24:08It looks like Dee Fennell will just miss out
0:24:08 > 0:24:12but it shows how polarised politics have become in this ward.
0:24:15 > 0:24:18Compared to the success of Sinn Fein in the Oldpark ward,
0:24:18 > 0:24:20whose candidates got over 4,000 votes,
0:24:20 > 0:24:25Dee Fennell's vote was small but significant.
0:24:25 > 0:24:28The council elections were not a referendum on the parading
0:24:28 > 0:24:32issue in Ardoyne but there are those who believe they could
0:24:32 > 0:24:36nonetheless have an impact on this summer's parading negotiations.
0:24:36 > 0:24:38It will be Sinn Fein and CARA
0:24:38 > 0:24:42who will be leading discussions with the Loyal Orders.
0:24:44 > 0:24:47The difficulty for them is that GARC will not allow them
0:24:47 > 0:24:50to reach a solution unless GARC is involved
0:24:50 > 0:24:54because they will say whatever they got in electoral terms or
0:24:54 > 0:24:57how many votes they got, they will say, "We're here, we live here,
0:24:57 > 0:24:58"hundreds of people voted for us,
0:24:58 > 0:25:01"you cannot reach agreement without us."
0:25:01 > 0:25:04So you have a situation now in Ardoyne where Sinn Fein, or CARA,
0:25:04 > 0:25:07are looking over their shoulder at GARC.
0:25:07 > 0:25:12Yes, and GARC will not allow them to reach an accommodation that they're not involved in
0:25:12 > 0:25:16because they are prepared to take to the streets, they are prepared
0:25:16 > 0:25:18to block the parade, confront the police.
0:25:20 > 0:25:24It is late May and talks are ongoing between CARA and the Orange Order,
0:25:24 > 0:25:27facilitated by a Catholic and a Protestant bishop.
0:25:27 > 0:25:31GARC have not been asked to take part.
0:25:31 > 0:25:34They say they've sent a letter asking to meet the Orange Order
0:25:34 > 0:25:37but they've had no reply.
0:25:37 > 0:25:40If we talk to two groups and one group says yes and the other says no,
0:25:40 > 0:25:41where do you stand then?
0:25:41 > 0:25:43We are in a no-win situation,
0:25:43 > 0:25:47we become just puppets in internal Republican politics.
0:25:47 > 0:25:49I don't know. Maybe we're Fenians
0:25:49 > 0:25:51and they don't want to talk to Fenians.
0:25:51 > 0:25:55They want to talk to people that can be manipulated, controlled,
0:25:55 > 0:25:59and they'll have a possibility of giving them everything they want.
0:26:00 > 0:26:03One of the obstacles to finding a solution here seems to
0:26:03 > 0:26:08be that there is competition and infighting within Republicanism.
0:26:08 > 0:26:11One thing is clear, if a solution isn't found soon,
0:26:11 > 0:26:13there could be serious repercussions.
0:26:13 > 0:26:16If this camp is still here on the 12th of July it could be
0:26:16 > 0:26:18a magnet for trouble,
0:26:18 > 0:26:22and what happens then between these two communities is anyone's guess.
0:26:24 > 0:26:27Last week rumours began circulating that there could be
0:26:27 > 0:26:30a significant development in the parading dispute at Ardoyne.
0:26:31 > 0:26:35Orangemen had attempted, for the fifth time, to finish their march past the Ardoyne
0:26:35 > 0:26:40shops in a morning parade, this time early on Saturday the 7th of June.
0:26:40 > 0:26:43It would come down to another determination by the new
0:26:43 > 0:26:45Parades Commission.
0:26:45 > 0:26:47It was an unenviable choice.
0:26:47 > 0:26:50Allowing the parade past the shops
0:26:50 > 0:26:52would mean the dismantling of Camp Twaddell.
0:26:52 > 0:26:58But it was also likely to provoke a furious reaction from Ardoyne residents.
0:26:58 > 0:27:01We caught up with GARC members as they left a meeting
0:27:01 > 0:27:03with the Parades Commission.
0:27:03 > 0:27:06We basically told them point-blank that if there were any
0:27:06 > 0:27:13attempts to facilitate and allow these people to march back up
0:27:13 > 0:27:17the Crumlin Road against the wishes of the vast majority of people from
0:27:17 > 0:27:22Ardoyne that we would be left with no other option but to mobilise people
0:27:22 > 0:27:27in their thousands, as we have proved we are more than capable of doing.
0:27:27 > 0:27:30Is there some kind of implicit threat of violence in that?
0:27:30 > 0:27:33That some of those people might become violent?
0:27:33 > 0:27:35The situation is,
0:27:35 > 0:27:39if we cannot stop it on our own, then we'll call for people to come
0:27:39 > 0:27:43along who suffer at the hands of the same injustices.
0:27:43 > 0:27:45We have done it in the past and we will do it again.
0:27:45 > 0:27:48Do you feel the Parades Commission were listening to what you
0:27:48 > 0:27:50were saying? Did they take it on board?
0:27:50 > 0:27:52Believe you me, they listened.
0:27:52 > 0:27:58Last Wednesday we went to Camp Twaddell just as the decision was being announced.
0:27:58 > 0:28:00It didn't go the way the Loyalists wanted.
0:28:02 > 0:28:04The parade on Saturday was not allowed to march back up
0:28:04 > 0:28:06the Crumlin Road.
0:28:07 > 0:28:10There is a lot of anger within the community.
0:28:10 > 0:28:13Again this seems to be just appeasement of violent
0:28:13 > 0:28:19Republican extremists at any cost to our culture and our community.
0:28:19 > 0:28:23That night the Loyalists gathered once again.
0:28:23 > 0:28:25Compared to the march two weeks ago,
0:28:25 > 0:28:28this protest march was more sombre and more tense.
0:28:33 > 0:28:37The last time I was here, at the other protest march, there was
0:28:37 > 0:28:40a more jovial atmosphere but it feels different tonight.
0:28:40 > 0:28:43It does indeed. It feels that...
0:28:43 > 0:28:48my heart has been ripped out of my body.
0:28:48 > 0:28:53My culture and heritage. It is terrible.
0:28:55 > 0:28:59Over the following days, the protest marches continued
0:28:59 > 0:29:00and remained peaceful.
0:29:02 > 0:29:06But just as a new set of political talks are due to begin leading
0:29:06 > 0:29:10up to the 12th of July, it is clear that in this part of Belfast,
0:29:10 > 0:29:14on both sides, compromise is a commodity in short supply.
0:29:15 > 0:29:19And without it, Ardoyne could be in for another long, hot summer.