:01:30. > :01:40.And here in the East Midlands, up we ask the Prime Minister, are we
:01:40. > :01:40.
:01:40. > :37:17.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2137 seconds
:37:17. > :37:20.getting a raw deal from the Hello. In the East Midlands, are we
:37:20. > :37:22.getting a raw deal from the government? We ask the Prime
:37:22. > :37:25.Minister. My guests today are Heather Wheeler, the Conservative
:37:25. > :37:28.MP for South Derbyshire and Graham Allen, Labour MP for Nottingham
:37:28. > :37:34.North. First, there is no getting away
:37:34. > :37:37.from transport and there could be a hint of good news for the region.
:37:37. > :37:40.Four Derbyshire MPs are calling on the government to re-think the
:37:40. > :37:43.decision not to award a contract to build rolling stock for the new
:37:43. > :37:46.Thameslink line to Bombardier in Derby. The contract went instead to
:37:46. > :37:49.Siemens, but in the light of the decision to halt the bidding
:37:49. > :37:52.process for the West Coast Line, the MPs think it is time to look
:37:52. > :37:57.again at the Thameslink Contract. You are one of the MPs behind this.
:37:57. > :38:06.Why are you calling for this review? Certain building blocks
:38:06. > :38:16.will tender. The forecasts were completely wrong. The tender has
:38:16. > :38:20.been put on poles. What makes you think there is something wrong?
:38:20. > :38:24.forecasting. The number of people that might be using the carriages.
:38:24. > :38:33.It is not just about buying carriages and getting on with it.
:38:33. > :38:36.We are really concerned that they have used this model.
:38:36. > :38:38.Mid Derbyshire MP Pauline Latham, who has also joined this cause,
:38:38. > :38:41.says the new Transport Minister, Patrick McLoughlin has hit the
:38:41. > :38:49.ground running. Do you think the fact that he's a
:38:49. > :38:56.Derbyshire Dales MP will get you a sympathetic hearing? The I
:38:56. > :38:59.certainly hope so. He knows it inside and out. If there is any
:38:59. > :39:07.intimation that he is too close to it, he can let the number to deal
:39:07. > :39:14.with that. That is great. How far should this review go? I should
:39:14. > :39:19.think that it would go back to previous contracts. It looks like
:39:19. > :39:22.the government currently has lost control and I think there needs to
:39:22. > :39:29.be a review and we need to make sure that the contracts are awarded
:39:29. > :39:35.on a fair and even basis. These decisions will have a tremendous
:39:35. > :39:45.impact on Arab region and also people who come from -- or an hour
:39:45. > :39:47.
:39:47. > :39:50.region at and also people who come from Mottingham. -- Nottingham.
:39:50. > :39:53.Labour had their own rail fiasco when National Express had to hand
:39:53. > :39:57.back the running of the East Coast line to your governmet, after they
:39:57. > :40:00.bid too much for the deal and found they couldn't deliver. This is
:40:00. > :40:05.because taxpayers were funding of the rail for 150 years. I think the
:40:06. > :40:14.way they did this in the first place set up a lot of problems for
:40:14. > :40:19.20 years or so and we have been labouring under poor decisions.
:40:20. > :40:25.actual problem is about forecasting. This science is an awed. If they
:40:25. > :40:30.have got the forecast wrong, -- this science is an art. If they
:40:30. > :40:34.have got the forecast wrong, the whole thing is wrong. It has got to
:40:34. > :40:38.be right. They make fantastic products that are built by a
:40:38. > :40:42.brilliant people in a great area. But are you confident that you can
:40:42. > :40:52.get this review and that anything will change? I do not know but we
:40:52. > :40:53.
:40:53. > :40:57.are prepared to give it a go. A new report says the East Midlands
:40:57. > :40:59.is getting a raw deal when it comes to government funding. The report,
:40:59. > :41:02.by the left-leaning think-tank, the Smith Institute, found that when it
:41:02. > :41:05.comes to spending on regeneration and house building, funding in the
:41:05. > :41:09.East Midlands was down by half. In the last round of regional grant
:41:09. > :41:12.funds we got only �2 million out of �690 million of approved funds. And
:41:12. > :41:14.that the East Midlands gets the lowest levels of support, even
:41:14. > :41:23.lower than the South East of England. Our Political Editor asked
:41:23. > :41:28.David Cameron if he is ignoring the East Midlands. I do not think that
:41:28. > :41:32.the East Midlands is winning out. It is one of the areas where new
:41:32. > :41:37.businesses are starting up faster than anywhere else. Look across the
:41:37. > :41:45.country and we have created hundreds of jobs and the public
:41:45. > :41:49.sector in the last two years. -- in the public sector. This area is
:41:50. > :41:56.well placed to expand and grow. The regional growth fund is just one of
:41:57. > :42:02.the things that can support that. The organisation that represents
:42:02. > :42:05.East Midlands councils, many of them are conservative or run, and
:42:05. > :42:10.they say that the East Midlands are losing out under the affordable
:42:10. > :42:15.housing programme. They come up with the figure of 4%. They say
:42:15. > :42:19.that is equivalent to 1,000 new homes a year, and they are saying
:42:19. > :42:25.that if you compare that to other regions, like the East of England,
:42:25. > :42:30.it is losing out compared to what it was getting a two or three years
:42:30. > :42:35.ago. The problem is not that they are not building enough affordable
:42:35. > :42:43.homes, it is not -- it is that we are not building enough homes at
:42:43. > :42:49.all. We are telling local councils, if you build homes, it is your
:42:49. > :42:56.choice, but you keep the council tax. That is what we need. This way,
:42:56. > :43:02.the people in the Midlands can afford to buy their first home.
:43:02. > :43:05.This is a region that has seen a huge growth. Right now we are
:43:05. > :43:10.telling developers that they can only build if they build affordable
:43:10. > :43:14.homes. That means that developers are not building anything. We have
:43:14. > :43:18.said that if you want to change the rules and get on and bills some
:43:18. > :43:27.houses that would be better for -- and build some houses, that would
:43:28. > :43:30.be better for Britain. With us now is Housing expert
:43:31. > :43:35.Richard Clark, author of this new report. What is your response to
:43:35. > :43:41.what the Prime Minister says? think it is excellent that the
:43:41. > :43:48.Prime Minister but I used housing in the East Midlands. The East
:43:48. > :43:53.Midlands have lost out badly and the allocation of housing fund in.
:43:53. > :44:03.The region has lost about half of the money it should have had. As a
:44:03. > :44:04.
:44:04. > :44:07.result of that, we have lost out on several thousand homes and jobs.
:44:07. > :44:16.Why is the link between housing and manufacturing so important to get
:44:16. > :44:22.right? Housing is both a direct and indirect supporter of the economy.
:44:22. > :44:27.If you have housing, you have a new employers and people want to come
:44:27. > :44:31.up live in the region. As well as that, there is the direct
:44:31. > :44:36.employment that comes from actually building the houses themselves, and
:44:36. > :44:42.that has not just the construction industry, it is also the supply
:44:42. > :44:49.chain. The estimate is that you get twice as many jobs from the supply
:44:49. > :44:55.chain as you do from construction. Your report says that there should
:44:55. > :45:03.be far more done. A certainly. sounds like the East Midlands is
:45:03. > :45:07.getting a raw deal from your government. The difficulty is it is
:45:07. > :45:14.about aspiration. We have a new college that specialises in
:45:14. > :45:19.building. This is all happening. We have become a real hub for the
:45:19. > :45:25.trades. I have read the report and I have seen the statistics. I do
:45:25. > :45:33.understand all of that. But it just seems to be, maybe, just do it for
:45:34. > :45:40.yourself. A will that be enough? it will not. We need to do both.
:45:40. > :45:45.There are good things going on in the region, but also, the
:45:45. > :45:48.Government has specific reasons to boost new jobs and boost new homes,
:45:48. > :45:53.and it is really important that the affordable homes actually generate
:45:53. > :46:02.more private building as well. It is a multiplying the fact and we
:46:02. > :46:05.have lost out on both of these things.
:46:05. > :46:08.Your leader admitted this week that Labour had been too late in
:46:08. > :46:11.tackling the affordable housing crisis, so hasn't David Cameron got
:46:11. > :46:15.a point when he says freeing up construction companies to build all
:46:15. > :46:19.types of housing will make the housing market more affordable?
:46:19. > :46:23.think people would like to go back to the Labour Day is where we had
:46:23. > :46:29.much more money. We had housing money and everyone knows that
:46:29. > :46:35.construction is the first thing that sets the economy alight. You
:46:35. > :46:41.can bring trades in. That has a multiplier effect on the economy.
:46:41. > :46:45.The figures had shown without any shadow of a doubt that there is a
:46:45. > :46:55.reduction in growth money and jobs money in the region. And we are
:46:55. > :46:55.
:46:55. > :46:58.losing out. We are reaping the whirlwind. You cannot abolish the
:46:58. > :47:02.regional development without these consequences. We cannot say it is
:47:02. > :47:11.just about aspiration. If you do not have the resources, East
:47:11. > :47:18.Midlands is losing out. You raise this issue in your report. We have
:47:18. > :47:28.few people to speak up for us. That is a huge problem. We think it is
:47:28. > :47:32.an even bigger problem in this area, because we have a relatively
:47:32. > :47:36.fragmented -- because we have a relatively fragmented. We have to
:47:36. > :47:41.get this right on behalf of the region. Yes, there is a big problem
:47:41. > :47:49.there, and it needs to be addressed, but not just by the Government, it
:47:49. > :47:54.needs to be addressed within the region by the agency's. And the MPs
:47:54. > :48:00.who were sitting with us here. problem is that nobody speaks for
:48:00. > :48:07.this region. At the moment it is just Whitehall who speaks for
:48:07. > :48:12.England. Until we strengthen our local government... We all work
:48:12. > :48:17.very hard across all parties. we need that strong voice to speak
:48:17. > :48:22.for the East Midlands. We all need to speak out but we need a regional
:48:22. > :48:30.dimension to what we do. We ought to get on and build our economy
:48:30. > :48:38.like the Scots and the Welsh. has been over a year since David
:48:39. > :48:48.Cameron and Nick Clegg really East Midlands. As a good Derbyshire grow,
:48:48. > :48:52.I can tell you about the growth fund in my city. There is a lot hot
:48:52. > :48:56.air around this proposal, that proposal. We want to see real
:48:56. > :49:00.things on the ground and that means a lot of money and resources. Not
:49:00. > :49:05.more than our fair share, but as these figures show, the East
:49:05. > :49:09.Midlands is losing out, and readers want our fair share. But it does
:49:09. > :49:16.not all doom and gloom in your report. The region has a very, very
:49:16. > :49:20.good case. We have actually got a brilliant history of delivery, and
:49:20. > :49:23.we think the central government should back that, and we think the
:49:23. > :49:28.agencies within the region should be promoting it even more strongly
:49:28. > :49:33.than they already are. Also, because we are good at delivering
:49:33. > :49:38.and we have not received our share of the money, the national
:49:38. > :49:46.performance is damaged by. There is a delivery problem in the housing
:49:46. > :49:56.and the economy with economic funding and we could use some we
:49:56. > :49:58.
:49:58. > :50:04.allocated sources. Let's look at a pet project of
:50:04. > :50:07.yours that seems to be in trouble. You've put together the early
:50:07. > :50:11.intervention scheme with cross- party support and even had praise
:50:11. > :50:16.from David Cameron but it seems to be in trouble. Just tell us first
:50:16. > :50:23.of all in a nutshell what early intervention is. It is helping
:50:23. > :50:30.young children and babies when they needed. Spend the money now rather
:50:30. > :50:37.than when the problems are already deep-rooted and there are problems.
:50:37. > :50:42.Do we help young teenage mums. We have got lots of different
:50:42. > :50:46.programmes, family support initiatives. This is one of the key
:50:46. > :50:51.things. This has to be evidence based before you deploy things like
:50:51. > :50:59.this. They produce results, and above all, they save us all a lot
:50:59. > :51:03.of money and the long term. Last week announcement -- last week's
:51:03. > :51:13.announcement by Nick Clegg about as replacements means that the money
:51:13. > :51:16.
:51:16. > :51:20.will come from your pot. -- Nursery replacements means that the money
:51:20. > :51:23.will come up from your pot. If you just keep taking money from the
:51:24. > :51:27.programmes and the centres and the support projects in Nottingham and
:51:27. > :51:35.Derby and elsewhere, what you're doing is taking one part of the
:51:35. > :51:38.jigsaw are way that supports those two -- supporters children. Does
:51:38. > :51:45.this mean that Europe Government is abandoning early intervention by
:51:45. > :51:52.swapping one pot to the other? -- your government. What is really
:51:52. > :51:59.important is that people understand that no Sri places was a major --
:51:59. > :52:03.that nursery places for us was a major project. You have had the
:52:03. > :52:08.backing of the Prime Minister, so we asked him if he is still
:52:08. > :52:13.committed to early intervention. Absolutely. The truth is, real
:52:13. > :52:17.disadvantage sets in when children are very, very young. Some will
:52:17. > :52:23.criticise us for what we have done in terms of tuition fees for
:52:23. > :52:29.universities, but have spent -- instead of spending last on
:52:29. > :52:32.nurseries, we are spending more or. Children from the poorest homes
:52:32. > :52:42.come when they going to school, more money follows the child into
:52:42. > :52:43.
:52:43. > :52:50.the council. Do you feel reassured? I could get a bad reputation if the
:52:50. > :52:53.Prime Minister keeps saying good things about me. I think David
:52:53. > :52:57.Cameron and Nick Clegg are very personally committed to early
:52:57. > :53:01.intervention. The Treasury and other officials in Whitehall, and
:53:01. > :53:06.this goes back to the transport problem, maybe it's with the
:53:07. > :53:11.officials and not the ministers, but they are going to abolish the
:53:11. > :53:14.early intervention grant. This is what the authorities used to
:53:14. > :53:18.dedicate money to these specific programmes that help these young
:53:18. > :53:24.babies and young children. We know there are tough times, but surely
:53:24. > :53:29.there is an argument that this kind of funding is vital to give people
:53:29. > :53:36.jobs and give children the right start. But I think the difficulty
:53:36. > :53:44.is, showing the evidence over the last few years, do you think it has
:53:44. > :53:47.got any better? We want results from this. This is an even bigger
:53:47. > :53:52.idea because it brings all of the groups together that will be
:53:52. > :53:57.dealing with these families that caused so much trouble. I have
:53:57. > :54:03.written so day that David Cameron is speaking a lot about this, but I
:54:03. > :54:05.want to know if he is going to keep this? The Treasury is going to take
:54:05. > :54:10.�1.5 billion out of the intervention grant, and that will
:54:10. > :54:19.mean disaster for a lot of young babies and mums. I have given David
:54:19. > :54:25.Cameron the option. I will put my money where my mouth is. What about
:54:25. > :54:32.people who use intervention schemes? We have spoken to parents
:54:32. > :54:38.at one of a children's centres. have been learning how to be a good
:54:38. > :54:46.parents and how to give discipline and direction to my child. They
:54:46. > :54:51.held me look after her. -- they help me look after her. I want her
:54:51. > :54:56.to Lewisham -- listen in English. It will make her better at speaking
:54:56. > :55:01.English. It is also fun for her. is a great way for the children to
:55:01. > :55:05.get ready for school so they are not nervous when they get to school.
:55:06. > :55:13.There have got all of this time to interact with different toys and
:55:13. > :55:22.children. You can see from the way those people were talking about how
:55:22. > :55:30.important the scheme is for the parents and these children. Could
:55:30. > :55:35.you not see that? What worries me is the default position is surprise.
:55:36. > :55:40.There are other ways to do this. We all used to chip in. We are used to
:55:40. > :55:43.do a morning every week. That is how you do it. We seemed to have
:55:44. > :55:47.just decided that the state supplies everything. There is no
:55:48. > :55:53.more money. What are we going to do? This is where the big society
:55:53. > :56:00.comes and. This is incredibly important. We need a safety net, we
:56:00. > :56:02.do not need the safe -- state to supply everything. The money will
:56:02. > :56:04.supply everything. The money will be squeezed out of the system,
:56:04. > :56:07.be squeezed out of the system, unfortunately. What we have at the
:56:07. > :56:12.moment that the state supplying everything because they are having
:56:12. > :56:18.to supply things when things go wrong later in life. Billions of
:56:18. > :56:25.pounds go to educational remedies to get people off of drugs and
:56:25. > :56:34.drink. There is not an never-ending pot of money. This is a money-
:56:34. > :56:39.saving programme, because... In the long term, you have to have a long-
:56:39. > :56:43.term view. They will never need your money ever again. They will be
:56:43. > :56:47.taxpayers and they will be raising geese and families of their own. I
:56:47. > :56:55.am asking the Prime Minister to have another look at this. Stick
:56:55. > :56:59.with his rhetoric but give the money. What would you cut in place
:56:59. > :57:05.of that? I will cut the deficit massively by not spending money
:57:05. > :57:11.later in life on all of the things that go wrong. This is not about a
:57:11. > :57:18.middle-class playgroup. These are people who need serious help. That
:57:18. > :57:23.the bans later on in life. Every taxpayer gets a bounty. -- that
:57:23. > :57:33.rebounds later on a life. Time to catch up on the other stories this
:57:33. > :57:35.
:57:35. > :57:40.There is a new curtain-call for the Hippodrome in Derby. The theatre
:57:40. > :57:46.was doused by a fire. Now the council is looking into what to do
:57:46. > :57:50.about it. A Tory county councillor has resigned from Leicestershire's
:57:50. > :58:00.Conservative group, saying that he is disillusioned over the party's
:58:00. > :58:00.
:58:00. > :58:07.pedalling over the investigation into expense claims. There is a
:58:07. > :58:14.debate about what kind of funeral was had for Richard the third.
:58:15. > :58:20.Having died before the Church broke in Rome, Richard would have been a
:58:20. > :58:29.Catholic. Archaeologists have found remains dating back to the first
:58:29. > :58:39.century AD. Work is finally about to begin on fixing peace -- this
:58:39. > :58:39.
:58:39. > :58:43.That is what I call a traffic delay. I am sure we will all look forward
:58:43. > :58:46.to those improvement. But not as much as we are looking forward to
:58:46. > :58:53.the police commissioner elections. You are one of the few Labour MPs
:58:53. > :58:58.who think they are a good idea. certainly do. You have to have a
:58:58. > :59:03.public voice in policing. You cannot interfere. You have to have
:59:03. > :59:09.a more strategic view of the public. Should the police also be helping
:59:09. > :59:13.out on early intervention? We did that in Nottingham very
:59:13. > :59:22.successfully. We had a great public pressure put the police, and I
:59:23. > :59:30.think the police commissioner would need to be -- we had a great
:59:30. > :59:40.relationship with the police, and I think the police commissioner could
:59:40. > :59:42.
:59:42. > :59:48.be offer a lot. Month for today -- today we had one at our Canada its
:59:48. > :59:53.in Derby. People will get -- today we had one of our candidates in
:59:53. > :59:57.Derby. People will get to know them. Eddie was to get more information