:01:22. > :01:23.In the East Midlands: Investigations In the East Midlands: Investigations
:01:23. > :01:23.In the East Midlands: Investigations In the East Midlands: Investigations
:01:23. > :01:25.over high death rates at two of our over high death rates at two of our
:01:25. > :01:25.over high death rates at two of our hospital trusts. We ask the junior
:01:25. > :01:35.hospital trusts. We ask the junior hospital trusts. We ask the junior
:01:35. > :01:35.
:01:35. > :37:07.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2131 seconds
:37:07. > :37:08.of a high death rates at two of our of a high death rates at two of our
:37:08. > :37:09.of a high death rates at two of our hospital trusts. We ask the junior
:37:09. > :37:11.hospital trusts. We ask the junior hospital trusts. We ask the junior
:37:11. > :37:12.health minister what is going on. health minister what is going on.
:37:12. > :37:14.health minister what is going on. health minister what is going on.
:37:14. > :37:14.What has Windsor done to upset the What has Windsor done to upset the
:37:14. > :37:17.What has Windsor done to upset the later -- Labour leadership of
:37:17. > :37:21.Nottingham council? Nottingham council?
:37:21. > :37:22.Nottingham council? I Marie Ashby. Joining me, Alice
:37:22. > :37:23.I Marie Ashby. Joining me, Alice I Marie Ashby. Joining me, Alice
:37:23. > :37:26.soubrette and Labour MP for Derby soubrette and Labour MP for Derby
:37:26. > :37:26.North, Chris Williamson. North, Chris Williamson.
:37:26. > :37:27.North, Chris Williamson. North, Chris Williamson.
:37:27. > :37:28.Let's start with health and the news Let's start with health and the news
:37:28. > :37:30.Let's start with health and the news Let's start with health and the news
:37:30. > :37:30.that in the wake of the enquiry into that in the wake of the enquiry into
:37:31. > :37:32.that in the wake of the enquiry into Stafford Hospital, two of our health
:37:32. > :37:35.Stafford Hospital, two of our health Stafford Hospital, two of our health
:37:35. > :37:40.trusts are now under investigation trusts are now under investigation
:37:40. > :37:42.trusts are now under investigation about high mortality rates. They
:37:42. > :37:43.about high mortality rates. They have both welcomed the
:37:43. > :37:44.have both welcomed the have both welcomed the
:37:44. > :37:45.investigation. It is not the first investigation. It is not the first
:37:45. > :37:48.investigation. It is not the first time death rates have been called
:37:48. > :37:50.time death rates have been called time death rates have been called
:37:50. > :37:50.into question. Last year, the into question. Last year, the
:37:50. > :37:52.independent health watchdog Dr independent health watchdog Dr
:37:52. > :37:55.Foster said further investigation Foster said further investigation
:37:55. > :37:56.Foster said further investigation was needed at King's Mill Hospital.
:37:56. > :37:59.was needed at King's Mill Hospital. was needed at King's Mill Hospital.
:37:59. > :38:00.14 trusts around the country. They 14 trusts around the country. They
:38:00. > :38:02.14 trusts around the country. They are being investigated. Two are in
:38:02. > :38:03.are being investigated. Two are in are being investigated. Two are in
:38:03. > :38:04.are being investigated. Two are in the East Midlands. What are you, as
:38:04. > :38:05.the East Midlands. What are you, as the East Midlands. What are you, as
:38:05. > :38:07.a junior health minister, doing a junior health minister, doing
:38:07. > :38:08.a junior health minister, doing a junior health minister, doing
:38:08. > :38:09.about it? It is what we as a about it? It is what we as a
:38:09. > :38:10.about it? It is what we as a Government and the other bodies that
:38:10. > :38:12.Government and the other bodies that Government and the other bodies that
:38:12. > :38:13.Government and the other bodies that are involved are doing about it.
:38:13. > :38:15.are involved are doing about it. are involved are doing about it.
:38:15. > :38:16.are involved are doing about it. know on the back of the Francis
:38:16. > :38:17.know on the back of the Francis know on the back of the Francis
:38:17. > :38:20.report that what happened in mid report that what happened in mid
:38:20. > :38:21.Staffordshire was an appalling, Staffordshire was an appalling,
:38:21. > :38:24.Staffordshire was an appalling, long-term problem that they had,
:38:24. > :38:25.long-term problem that they had, long-term problem that they had,
:38:25. > :38:26.spanning from 2006 onwards. We know spanning from 2006 onwards. We know
:38:26. > :38:28.spanning from 2006 onwards. We know spanning from 2006 onwards. We know
:38:28. > :38:30.there was a complete failing in the there was a complete failing in the
:38:30. > :38:30.there was a complete failing in the there was a complete failing in the
:38:30. > :38:31.level of care at that hospital. It level of care at that hospital. It
:38:31. > :38:32.level of care at that hospital. It was something that should never
:38:32. > :38:33.was something that should never was something that should never
:38:33. > :38:35.was something that should never happen again and we know that one of
:38:35. > :38:35.happen again and we know that one of happen again and we know that one of
:38:35. > :38:36.the reasons that happened was the reasons that happened was
:38:37. > :38:39.the reasons that happened was because of a relentless pursuit of
:38:39. > :38:41.because of a relentless pursuit of because of a relentless pursuit of
:38:41. > :38:42.because of a relentless pursuit of targets. What we have done is said,
:38:42. > :38:43.targets. What we have done is said, targets. What we have done is said,
:38:43. > :38:44.targets. What we have done is said, let's now look at all the mortality
:38:44. > :38:44.let's now look at all the mortality let's now look at all the mortality
:38:44. > :38:46.let's now look at all the mortality rates of all the hospitals. If we
:38:46. > :38:47.rates of all the hospitals. If we rates of all the hospitals. If we
:38:47. > :38:49.think there is a need to think there is a need to
:38:49. > :38:52.think there is a need to investigate, let's do that. King's
:38:52. > :38:56.investigate, let's do that. King's investigate, let's do that. King's
:38:56. > :38:56.Mill Hospital welcomes it. The Mill Hospital welcomes it. The
:38:56. > :38:57.Mill Hospital welcomes it. The conclusion at Stafford is that
:38:57. > :38:58.conclusion at Stafford is that conclusion at Stafford is that
:38:58. > :39:00.people were dying who could easily people were dying who could easily
:39:00. > :39:01.people were dying who could easily people were dying who could easily
:39:01. > :39:02.have been saved. Is this is what -- have been saved. Is this is what --
:39:02. > :39:03.have been saved. Is this is what -- have been saved. Is this is what --
:39:03. > :39:04.is thus what is happening at these is thus what is happening at these
:39:04. > :39:07.is thus what is happening at these is thus what is happening at these
:39:07. > :39:07.trusts? We have to put this into trusts? We have to put this into
:39:07. > :39:08.trusts? We have to put this into proportion. We have two hospital
:39:08. > :39:09.proportion. We have two hospital proportion. We have two hospital
:39:09. > :39:11.proportion. We have two hospital trusts that wants to do the best and
:39:11. > :39:12.trusts that wants to do the best and trusts that wants to do the best and
:39:12. > :39:14.I want to believe that mid I want to believe that mid
:39:14. > :39:15.I want to believe that mid Staffordshire was a 1-off and that
:39:15. > :39:16.Staffordshire was a 1-off and that Staffordshire was a 1-off and that
:39:16. > :39:18.Staffordshire was a 1-off and that is what we will all hope and pray
:39:18. > :39:18.is what we will all hope and pray is what we will all hope and pray
:39:18. > :39:21.for. It was an appalling situation for. It was an appalling situation
:39:21. > :39:22.for. It was an appalling situation for. It was an appalling situation
:39:22. > :39:23.that went on for years. One of the that went on for years. One of the
:39:23. > :39:24.that went on for years. One of the that went on for years. One of the
:39:24. > :39:25.things that has come out from this things that has come out from this
:39:25. > :39:26.things that has come out from this things that has come out from this
:39:26. > :39:27.report is that when people do have report is that when people do have
:39:27. > :39:28.report is that when people do have concerns, they have to be listened
:39:28. > :39:33.concerns, they have to be listened concerns, they have to be listened
:39:33. > :39:33.to. My constituents often write to to. My constituents often write to
:39:34. > :39:34.to. My constituents often write to to. My constituents often write to
:39:34. > :39:36.to. My constituents often write to me and I and other MPs took up the
:39:36. > :39:39.me and I and other MPs took up the concerns about the ambulance
:39:39. > :39:41.concerns about the ambulance concerns about the ambulance
:39:41. > :39:42.service... Will scrutiny make any service... Will scrutiny make any
:39:42. > :39:43.service... Will scrutiny make any service... Will scrutiny make any
:39:43. > :39:44.difference? Do you think it well? I difference? Do you think it well? I
:39:44. > :39:45.difference? Do you think it well? I difference? Do you think it well? I
:39:45. > :39:46.hope it well and I think Anna is hope it well and I think Anna is
:39:46. > :39:47.hope it well and I think Anna is being simplistic when she says it
:39:47. > :39:52.being simplistic when she says it being simplistic when she says it
:39:52. > :39:55.was a relentless pursuit of targets. was a relentless pursuit of targets.
:39:55. > :39:59.was a relentless pursuit of targets. was a relentless pursuit of targets.
:39:59. > :39:59.Very simplistic to put the blame on Very simplistic to put the blame on
:39:59. > :40:01.setting targets. Targets are setting targets. Targets are
:40:01. > :40:02.setting targets. Targets are important. It is important we ensure
:40:02. > :40:03.important. It is important we ensure important. It is important we ensure
:40:04. > :40:06.that people get the treatment they that people get the treatment they
:40:06. > :40:08.that people get the treatment they need within a certain time. Before
:40:08. > :40:09.need within a certain time. Before need within a certain time. Before
:40:09. > :40:10.need within a certain time. Before Labour came to power in 1997, people
:40:10. > :40:11.Labour came to power in 1997, people Labour came to power in 1997, people
:40:11. > :40:12.were waiting for sometimes two years were waiting for sometimes two years
:40:12. > :40:13.were waiting for sometimes two years on the waiting list and sometimes
:40:13. > :40:16.on the waiting list and sometimes on the waiting list and sometimes
:40:16. > :40:17.they were dying before they got they were dying before they got
:40:17. > :40:19.treatment. These things also treatment. These things also
:40:19. > :40:20.treatment. These things also happened under Labour. You brought
:40:20. > :40:24.happened under Labour. You brought happened under Labour. You brought
:40:24. > :40:25.the issue of targets in. Francis the issue of targets in. Francis
:40:25. > :40:27.the issue of targets in. Francis the issue of targets in. Francis
:40:27. > :40:28.said there were a number of very said there were a number of very
:40:28. > :40:29.said there were a number of very important factors. One was the
:40:29. > :40:30.important factors. One was the important factors. One was the
:40:30. > :40:31.relentless pursuit of targets and relentless pursuit of targets and
:40:31. > :40:33.relentless pursuit of targets and another was the need to make
:40:33. > :40:34.another was the need to make savings, pursuing foundation trust
:40:34. > :40:35.savings, pursuing foundation trust savings, pursuing foundation trust
:40:35. > :40:39.savings, pursuing foundation trust and not putting patient care at the
:40:39. > :40:40.and not putting patient care at the and not putting patient care at the
:40:40. > :40:42.front. The important thing is that front. The important thing is that
:40:42. > :40:43.front. The important thing is that front. The important thing is that
:40:43. > :40:44.we get to the bottom of precisely we get to the bottom of precisely
:40:44. > :40:46.we get to the bottom of precisely why these mortality rates are higher
:40:46. > :40:48.why these mortality rates are higher why these mortality rates are higher
:40:48. > :40:49.in certain hospitals than others. It in certain hospitals than others. It
:40:49. > :40:52.in certain hospitals than others. It is essential that full cooperation
:40:52. > :40:53.is essential that full cooperation is essential that full cooperation
:40:53. > :40:54.is given to that investigation and is given to that investigation and
:40:54. > :40:55.is given to that investigation and is given to that investigation and
:40:55. > :40:56.that steps are taken by Anna and her that steps are taken by Anna and her
:40:56. > :40:57.that steps are taken by Anna and her colleagues to make sure that any
:40:57. > :40:58.colleagues to make sure that any colleagues to make sure that any
:40:58. > :41:01.lessons needed to be learned I lessons needed to be learned I
:41:01. > :41:02.learned and the investment learned and the investment
:41:02. > :41:06.required... Sherwood hospital trusts required... Sherwood hospital trusts
:41:06. > :41:06.required... Sherwood hospital trusts say they have appointed a dedicated
:41:06. > :41:08.say they have appointed a dedicated say they have appointed a dedicated
:41:08. > :41:09.doctor to deal with mortality rates doctor to deal with mortality rates
:41:09. > :41:11.doctor to deal with mortality rates and are confident nothing has gone
:41:11. > :41:12.and are confident nothing has gone and are confident nothing has gone
:41:12. > :41:13.fundamentally wrong. That is what fundamentally wrong. That is what
:41:13. > :41:14.fundamentally wrong. That is what fundamentally wrong. That is what
:41:14. > :41:15.they are telling us and we hope they they are telling us and we hope they
:41:16. > :41:17.they are telling us and we hope they are right. King's Mill Hospital has
:41:17. > :41:18.are right. King's Mill Hospital has are right. King's Mill Hospital has
:41:18. > :41:21.are right. King's Mill Hospital has a number of problems. They are a PFI
:41:21. > :41:22.a number of problems. They are a PFI a number of problems. They are a PFI
:41:22. > :41:24.hospital. They almost went bust last hospital. They almost went bust last
:41:24. > :41:26.hospital. They almost went bust last hospital. They almost went bust last
:41:26. > :41:29.year. That is one problem with PFI year. That is one problem with PFI
:41:29. > :41:30.year. That is one problem with PFI hospitals. In London, to PFI
:41:30. > :41:30.hospitals. In London, to PFI hospitals. In London, to PFI
:41:30. > :41:32.hospitals. In London, to PFI hospitals, we have had to bail them
:41:32. > :41:32.hospitals, we have had to bail them hospitals, we have had to bail them
:41:32. > :41:38.hospitals, we have had to bail them out. Not all of them have gone
:41:38. > :41:39.out. Not all of them have gone out. Not all of them have gone
:41:39. > :41:40.out. Not all of them have gone badly. Let's move on. What is the
:41:40. > :41:41.badly. Let's move on. What is the difference between Nottingham and
:41:41. > :41:42.difference between Nottingham and difference between Nottingham and
:41:42. > :41:44.difference between Nottingham and Windsor? Quite a lot. They both have
:41:44. > :41:45.Windsor? Quite a lot. They both have Windsor? Quite a lot. They both have
:41:45. > :41:48.a castle, but assimilate -- a castle, but assimilate --
:41:48. > :41:50.a castle, but assimilate -- similarities end there. The council
:41:50. > :41:52.similarities end there. The council similarities end there. The council
:41:52. > :41:53.say the most important difference is say the most important difference is
:41:53. > :41:54.say the most important difference is say the most important difference is
:41:54. > :41:55.a matter of �143, which is what it a matter of �143, which is what it
:41:55. > :41:57.a matter of �143, which is what it is losing in funding compared with
:41:57. > :41:58.is losing in funding compared with is losing in funding compared with
:41:58. > :41:59.is losing in funding compared with Windsor. It is running a campaign --
:41:59. > :42:03.Windsor. It is running a campaign -- Windsor. It is running a campaign --
:42:03. > :42:05.campaign to highlight the issue. campaign to highlight the issue.
:42:05. > :42:06.campaign to highlight the issue. campaign to highlight the issue.
:42:06. > :42:07.Nobody likes to be a loser, but this Nobody likes to be a loser, but this
:42:07. > :42:08.Nobody likes to be a loser, but this poster in Nottingham and on sites
:42:08. > :42:09.poster in Nottingham and on sites poster in Nottingham and on sites
:42:09. > :42:11.around the city claims its people around the city claims its people
:42:11. > :42:12.around the city claims its people around the city claims its people
:42:12. > :42:14.are losing out big time. It is a are losing out big time. It is a
:42:14. > :42:18.hard-hitting political message from hard-hitting political message from
:42:18. > :42:19.Nottingham's leader leadership. The Nottingham's leader leadership. The
:42:20. > :42:20.Nottingham's leader leadership. The poster is suggesting that each
:42:21. > :42:22.poster is suggesting that each poster is suggesting that each
:42:22. > :42:25.citizen in Nottingham is being citizen in Nottingham is being
:42:25. > :42:26.citizen in Nottingham is being shortchanged by �143. That is
:42:26. > :42:27.shortchanged by �143. That is shortchanged by �143. That is
:42:27. > :42:29.compared to the scale of Government compared to the scale of Government
:42:29. > :42:30.compared to the scale of Government compared to the scale of Government
:42:30. > :42:32.cuts in this city to those in Tory cuts in this city to those in Tory
:42:32. > :42:33.cuts in this city to those in Tory controlled Windsor. How come? We
:42:33. > :42:34.controlled Windsor. How come? We controlled Windsor. How come? We
:42:34. > :42:35.controlled Windsor. How come? We could have picked a number of other
:42:35. > :42:36.could have picked a number of other could have picked a number of other
:42:36. > :42:37.could have picked a number of other authorities, but at the end of the
:42:37. > :42:40.authorities, but at the end of the authorities, but at the end of the
:42:40. > :42:41.authorities, but at the end of the day it was about trying to pick
:42:41. > :42:46.day it was about trying to pick another authority responsible for
:42:46. > :42:47.another authority responsible for another authority responsible for
:42:47. > :42:48.all services. Is that criticism all services. Is that criticism
:42:48. > :42:50.all services. Is that criticism all services. Is that criticism
:42:50. > :42:51.fair? I've come to Windsor, or at fair? I've come to Windsor, or at
:42:51. > :42:52.fair? I've come to Windsor, or at the Royal Borough of Windsor and
:42:52. > :42:53.the Royal Borough of Windsor and the Royal Borough of Windsor and
:42:53. > :42:56.Maidenhead -- Windsor and Maidenhead Maidenhead -- Windsor and Maidenhead
:42:56. > :42:57.Maidenhead -- Windsor and Maidenhead Maidenhead -- Windsor and Maidenhead
:42:57. > :42:59.to find out. Its leaders carries a to find out. Its leaders carries a
:42:59. > :43:00.to find out. Its leaders carries a plan. His politics were shaped by
:43:00. > :43:03.plan. His politics were shaped by his Leicestershire upbringing.
:43:03. > :43:03.his Leicestershire upbringing. his Leicestershire upbringing.
:43:03. > :43:06.Together with his finance -- finance Together with his finance -- finance
:43:06. > :43:07.Together with his finance -- finance chief, they have transferred their
:43:07. > :43:08.chief, they have transferred their chief, they have transferred their
:43:08. > :43:10.-- transformed their Royal Borough -- transformed their Royal Borough
:43:10. > :43:11.-- transformed their Royal Borough -- transformed their Royal Borough
:43:11. > :43:12.into a Tory council. We are looking into a Tory council. We are looking
:43:12. > :43:13.into a Tory council. We are looking into a Tory council. We are looking
:43:13. > :43:14.to add a new library facility onto to add a new library facility onto
:43:14. > :43:15.to add a new library facility onto the other side. They took control
:43:15. > :43:17.the other side. They took control the other side. They took control
:43:17. > :43:18.from Liberal Democrats in 2007. from Liberal Democrats in 2007.
:43:18. > :43:19.from Liberal Democrats in 2007. from Liberal Democrats in 2007.
:43:19. > :43:20.Their bigger plan is to show that Their bigger plan is to show that
:43:20. > :43:22.Their bigger plan is to show that services can be improved while
:43:22. > :43:23.services can be improved while services can be improved while
:43:23. > :43:24.services can be improved while council tax is cut. How did they
:43:24. > :43:28.council tax is cut. How did they react to Nottingham's poster
:43:28. > :43:29.react to Nottingham's poster politics? Nottingham is complaining
:43:29. > :43:31.politics? Nottingham is complaining politics? Nottingham is complaining
:43:31. > :43:33.politics? Nottingham is complaining about losing money. You look at it
:43:33. > :43:33.about losing money. You look at it around a premiership footballer,
:43:33. > :43:34.around a premiership footballer, around a premiership footballer,
:43:34. > :43:36.around a premiership footballer, saying he is losing more money than
:43:36. > :43:37.saying he is losing more money than saying he is losing more money than
:43:37. > :43:40.a first division footballer. They a first division footballer. They
:43:40. > :43:41.a first division footballer. They are not comparing like with like.
:43:41. > :43:45.are not comparing like with like. are not comparing like with like.
:43:45. > :43:46.Compared to Nottingham, our council Compared to Nottingham, our council
:43:46. > :43:47.Compared to Nottingham, our council Compared to Nottingham, our council
:43:47. > :43:48.tax is 256 -- �250 cheaper. That is tax is 256 -- �250 cheaper. That is
:43:48. > :43:49.tax is 256 -- �250 cheaper. That is tax is 256 -- �250 cheaper. That is
:43:49. > :43:50.a lot of money for residents. There a lot of money for residents. There
:43:50. > :43:52.a lot of money for residents. There a lot of money for residents. There
:43:52. > :43:53.appears to be a lot of money around. appears to be a lot of money around.
:43:53. > :43:55.appears to be a lot of money around. The borough, 21 miles west of
:43:55. > :43:56.The borough, 21 miles west of The borough, 21 miles west of
:43:56. > :43:57.London, has half the population of London, has half the population of
:43:57. > :43:59.London, has half the population of Nottingham. It has the sense of
:43:59. > :44:01.Nottingham. It has the sense of Nottingham. It has the sense of
:44:01. > :44:02.affluence, but also much bigger affluence, but also much bigger
:44:02. > :44:03.affluence, but also much bigger housing costs. We are not the
:44:03. > :44:04.housing costs. We are not the housing costs. We are not the
:44:04. > :44:05.housing costs. We are not the poorest borough in the land, but we
:44:05. > :44:06.poorest borough in the land, but we poorest borough in the land, but we
:44:06. > :44:08.do have pockets of deprivation and do have pockets of deprivation and
:44:08. > :44:09.do have pockets of deprivation and services to provide. We have very
:44:09. > :44:11.services to provide. We have very little money from central
:44:11. > :44:13.little money from central little money from central
:44:13. > :44:13.Government. Take council tax, it is Government. Take council tax, it is
:44:14. > :44:14.Government. Take council tax, it is Government. Take council tax, it is
:44:14. > :44:15.going up again in Nottingham, but in going up again in Nottingham, but in
:44:15. > :44:16.going up again in Nottingham, but in going up again in Nottingham, but in
:44:16. > :44:18.going up again in Nottingham, but in Windsor there is to be a 3% cut from
:44:18. > :44:21.Windsor there is to be a 3% cut from Windsor there is to be a 3% cut from
:44:21. > :44:23.April. There has been a year-on-year April. There has been a year-on-year
:44:23. > :44:25.April. There has been a year-on-year reduction. Since 2010, council tax
:44:25. > :44:25.reduction. Since 2010, council tax reduction. Since 2010, council tax
:44:26. > :44:27.reduction. Since 2010, council tax is now 11.6% is less and that means,
:44:27. > :44:29.is now 11.6% is less and that means, is now 11.6% is less and that means,
:44:29. > :44:30.is now 11.6% is less and that means, for an average band D house, an
:44:30. > :44:32.for an average band D house, an for an average band D house, an
:44:32. > :44:34.annual savings of almost �91. We annual savings of almost �91. We
:44:34. > :44:37.annual savings of almost �91. We don't carry overheads like trade
:44:37. > :44:41.don't carry overheads like trade union officials, like Nottingham,
:44:41. > :44:43.union officials, like Nottingham, union officials, like Nottingham,
:44:43. > :44:44.with those posters, have 27 full with those posters, have 27 full
:44:44. > :44:44.with those posters, have 27 full timers. We invest in frontline
:44:44. > :44:45.timers. We invest in frontline timers. We invest in frontline
:44:45. > :44:46.timers. We invest in frontline services, but there is a myriad of
:44:46. > :44:47.services, but there is a myriad of services, but there is a myriad of
:44:47. > :44:50.things we have done locally to things we have done locally to
:44:50. > :44:51.things we have done locally to reduce council tax. We no longer
:44:51. > :44:55.reduce council tax. We no longer reduce council tax. We no longer
:44:55. > :44:55.have a chief executive. In have a chief executive. In
:44:55. > :44:59.Nottingham, including pension Nottingham, including pension
:44:59. > :45:00.Nottingham, including pension benefits, that is about �220,000.
:45:00. > :45:02.benefits, that is about �220,000. benefits, that is about �220,000.
:45:02. > :45:03.Could some of that thinking flow Could some of that thinking flow
:45:03. > :45:04.Could some of that thinking flow Could some of that thinking flow
:45:04. > :45:08.easily from the Thames to the River easily from the Thames to the River
:45:08. > :45:10.easily from the Thames to the River Trent? We have made something like
:45:10. > :45:11.Trent? We have made something like Trent? We have made something like
:45:11. > :45:12.120 million pounds of savings over 120 million pounds of savings over
:45:12. > :45:12.120 million pounds of savings over 120 million pounds of savings over
:45:12. > :45:16.the last three or four years. the last three or four years.
:45:16. > :45:16.the last three or four years. has been about efficiency and when
:45:16. > :45:17.has been about efficiency and when has been about efficiency and when
:45:17. > :45:18.has been about efficiency and when you look at the list of suggested
:45:18. > :45:18.you look at the list of suggested you look at the list of suggested
:45:18. > :45:19.ways of running local Government ways of running local Government
:45:19. > :45:22.ways of running local Government efficiently, we were doing pretty
:45:22. > :45:23.efficiently, we were doing pretty efficiently, we were doing pretty
:45:23. > :45:25.efficiently, we were doing pretty well. They don't go in for poster
:45:25. > :45:26.well. They don't go in for poster well. They don't go in for poster
:45:26. > :45:28.politics in Windsor. In Nottingham, politics in Windsor. In Nottingham,
:45:28. > :45:32.politics in Windsor. In Nottingham, this poster is being replaced by
:45:32. > :45:34.this poster is being replaced by this poster is being replaced by
:45:34. > :45:35.another. Labour's next target is the another. Labour's next target is the
:45:35. > :45:36.another. Labour's next target is the benefits changes. This campaign has
:45:36. > :45:37.benefits changes. This campaign has cost Nottingham taxpayers �3000.
:45:37. > :45:38.cost Nottingham taxpayers �3000. cost Nottingham taxpayers �3000.
:45:38. > :45:39.This council is complaining it does This council is complaining it does
:45:39. > :45:40.This council is complaining it does This council is complaining it does
:45:40. > :45:42.not have enough money, but it has not have enough money, but it has
:45:42. > :45:44.not have enough money, but it has enough to spend on this campaign.
:45:44. > :45:44.enough to spend on this campaign. enough to spend on this campaign.
:45:44. > :45:47.The Government is being grotesquely The Government is being grotesquely
:45:47. > :45:48.unfair to authorities like unfair to authorities like
:45:48. > :45:50.Nottingham and many authorities Nottingham and many authorities
:45:50. > :45:51.Nottingham and many authorities throughout the Midlands and the
:45:51. > :45:53.throughout the Midlands and the throughout the Midlands and the
:45:53. > :45:54.North and authorities in the South, North and authorities in the South,
:45:54. > :45:55.North and authorities in the South, they have the greatest levels of
:45:55. > :45:57.they have the greatest levels of they have the greatest levels of
:45:57. > :46:00.need and deprivation. It is very need and deprivation. It is very
:46:00. > :46:01.need and deprivation. It is very clear that we are saying
:46:01. > :46:02.clear that we are saying politicisation of the distribution
:46:02. > :46:04.politicisation of the distribution politicisation of the distribution
:46:04. > :46:06.of funding by central Government. It of funding by central Government. It
:46:06. > :46:07.of funding by central Government. It seems those areas which are
:46:07. > :46:08.seems those areas which are dominantly Conservative control have
:46:09. > :46:11.dominantly Conservative control have dominantly Conservative control have
:46:11. > :46:13.dominantly Conservative control have been given a far better deal than
:46:13. > :46:14.been given a far better deal than been given a far better deal than
:46:14. > :46:14.places like Nottingham. When you places like Nottingham. When you
:46:15. > :46:15.places like Nottingham. When you places like Nottingham. When you
:46:15. > :46:16.look at Nottingham and compare it to look at Nottingham and compare it to
:46:16. > :46:19.look at Nottingham and compare it to Windsor, the degree of unemployment,
:46:19. > :46:21.Windsor, the degree of unemployment, deprivation, child protection issues
:46:21. > :46:21.deprivation, child protection issues deprivation, child protection issues
:46:21. > :46:24.deprivation, child protection issues and a range of other very difficult
:46:24. > :46:24.and a range of other very difficult and a range of other very difficult
:46:24. > :46:25.problems that Nottingham has... You problems that Nottingham has... You
:46:25. > :46:29.problems that Nottingham has... You problems that Nottingham has... You
:46:29. > :46:31.say it is not a fair comparison? say it is not a fair comparison?
:46:31. > :46:31.say it is not a fair comparison? say it is not a fair comparison?
:46:31. > :46:33.point they are making is the needs point they are making is the needs
:46:33. > :46:36.of Nottingham are considerably of Nottingham are considerably
:46:36. > :46:37.of Nottingham are considerably greater than they are in Windsor.
:46:37. > :46:41.greater than they are in Windsor. greater than they are in Windsor.
:46:41. > :46:42.Nottingham is getting a far bigger Nottingham is getting a far bigger
:46:42. > :46:44.Nottingham is getting a far bigger funding reduction than Windsor and
:46:44. > :46:45.funding reduction than Windsor and funding reduction than Windsor and
:46:45. > :46:46.Maidenhead. It isn't. What's your Maidenhead. It isn't. What's your
:46:46. > :46:47.Maidenhead. It isn't. What's your Maidenhead. It isn't. What's your
:46:47. > :46:48.film and Chris have not said is that film and Chris have not said is that
:46:48. > :46:50.film and Chris have not said is that Nottingham, next year per dwelling
:46:50. > :46:51.Nottingham, next year per dwelling Nottingham, next year per dwelling
:46:51. > :46:53.from the Government, will receive from the Government, will receive
:46:53. > :46:56.from the Government, will receive 2200 and something pounds.
:46:56. > :46:59.2200 and something pounds. 2200 and something pounds.
:46:59. > :47:00.Windsor, they will receive �1500. Windsor, they will receive �1500.
:47:00. > :47:03.Windsor, they will receive �1500. The reduction in Windsor is
:47:03. > :47:04.The reduction in Windsor is The reduction in Windsor is
:47:04. > :47:04.considerably more than the reduction considerably more than the reduction
:47:05. > :47:07.considerably more than the reduction in Nottingham, which is less than
:47:07. > :47:08.in Nottingham, which is less than in Nottingham, which is less than
:47:08. > :47:09.in Nottingham, which is less than 1%. You are seeing these figures are
:47:09. > :47:12.1%. You are seeing these figures are 1%. You are seeing these figures are
:47:12. > :47:13.wrong? I have the right figures wrong? I have the right figures
:47:13. > :47:14.wrong? I have the right figures wrong? I have the right figures
:47:14. > :47:15.here. I don't know where they have here. I don't know where they have
:47:15. > :47:16.here. I don't know where they have here. I don't know where they have
:47:16. > :47:20.got that. They work it out per got that. They work it out per
:47:20. > :47:24.got that. They work it out per person and the Government, under a
:47:24. > :47:26.person and the Government, under a formula established... Nottingham
:47:26. > :47:26.formula established... Nottingham formula established... Nottingham
:47:26. > :47:29.has more services to provide two has more services to provide two
:47:30. > :47:31.has more services to provide two more vulnerable people on benefits.
:47:31. > :47:32.more vulnerable people on benefits. more vulnerable people on benefits.
:47:32. > :47:33.more vulnerable people on benefits. That is why Nottingham is getting so
:47:33. > :47:38.That is why Nottingham is getting so That is why Nottingham is getting so
:47:38. > :47:39.much more money than Windsor per much more money than Windsor per
:47:39. > :47:40.much more money than Windsor per dwelling. You want to know where
:47:40. > :47:41.dwelling. You want to know where dwelling. You want to know where
:47:41. > :47:42.these figures have come from. these figures have come from.
:47:42. > :47:45.these figures have come from. Newcastle City Council have done
:47:45. > :47:48.Newcastle City Council have done Newcastle City Council have done
:47:48. > :47:53.this research. They have been this research. They have been
:47:53. > :47:56.this research. They have been dividing it by... They say it
:47:56. > :47:57.dividing it by... They say it dividing it by... They say it
:47:58. > :47:58.favours the South. It isn't one favours the South. It isn't one
:47:58. > :48:00.favours the South. It isn't one favours the South. It isn't one
:48:00. > :48:01.looking at how we pay out the money, looking at how we pay out the money,
:48:01. > :48:02.looking at how we pay out the money, looking at how we pay out the money,
:48:02. > :48:04.per dwelling. It is not looking at per dwelling. It is not looking at
:48:04. > :48:04.per dwelling. It is not looking at what the Government is doing. The
:48:04. > :48:14.what the Government is doing. The what the Government is doing. The
:48:14. > :48:15.Government is giving each dwelling Government is giving each dwelling
:48:15. > :48:16.Government is giving each dwelling Government is giving each dwelling
:48:16. > :48:19.in Nottingham... Anna is an MP from in Nottingham... Anna is an MP from
:48:19. > :48:21.Nottinghamshire, who seems quite Nottinghamshire, who seems quite
:48:21. > :48:22.Nottinghamshire, who seems quite happy to allow Nottingham citizens
:48:22. > :48:23.happy to allow Nottingham citizens happy to allow Nottingham citizens
:48:23. > :48:25.happy to allow Nottingham citizens to get a less good deal than people
:48:25. > :48:26.to get a less good deal than people to get a less good deal than people
:48:26. > :48:28.to get a less good deal than people in the South. I don't know how you
:48:28. > :48:31.in the South. I don't know how you in the South. I don't know how you
:48:31. > :48:32.in the South. I don't know how you can argue it is a better deal when
:48:32. > :48:34.can argue it is a better deal when can argue it is a better deal when
:48:34. > :48:34.the cuts in places like Nottingham the cuts in places like Nottingham
:48:34. > :48:35.the cuts in places like Nottingham are considerably greater than they
:48:35. > :48:36.are considerably greater than they are considerably greater than they
:48:36. > :48:40.are considerably greater than they are in more affluent parts of the
:48:40. > :48:41.are in more affluent parts of the are in more affluent parts of the
:48:41. > :48:41.country. When George Osborne and country. When George Osborne and
:48:41. > :48:42.country. When George Osborne and country. When George Osborne and
:48:42. > :48:43.David Cameron and Anna says we are David Cameron and Anna says we are
:48:43. > :48:45.David Cameron and Anna says we are David Cameron and Anna says we are
:48:45. > :48:48.all in it together, it is an odd all in it together, it is an odd
:48:48. > :48:48.all in it together, it is an odd definition when the people who are
:48:48. > :48:51.definition when the people who are definition when the people who are
:48:51. > :48:52.bearing the biggest burden are the bearing the biggest burden are the
:48:52. > :48:54.bearing the biggest burden are the poorest people. What do you say
:48:54. > :48:57.poorest people. What do you say poorest people. What do you say
:48:57. > :48:58.about Anna's figures? These are the about Anna's figures? These are the
:48:58. > :48:59.about Anna's figures? These are the proper figures. The Government talk
:48:59. > :49:02.proper figures. The Government talk proper figures. The Government talk
:49:02. > :49:02.about her household because it looks about her household because it looks
:49:02. > :49:03.about her household because it looks better. They have changed the way
:49:03. > :49:06.better. They have changed the way better. They have changed the way
:49:07. > :49:10.they calculate it for that purpose. they calculate it for that purpose.
:49:10. > :49:11.they calculate it for that purpose. When you also compare this... Not
:49:11. > :49:12.When you also compare this... Not When you also compare this... Not
:49:12. > :49:16.When you also compare this... Not only are they making these cuts to
:49:16. > :49:16.only are they making these cuts to only are they making these cuts to
:49:16. > :49:20.Nottingham City Council... There are Nottingham City Council... There are
:49:20. > :49:21.Nottingham City Council... There are Nottingham City Council... There are
:49:21. > :49:23.more cuts to come. Let's make one more cuts to come. Let's make one
:49:23. > :49:24.more cuts to come. Let's make one thing clear. For every �8 this
:49:24. > :49:26.thing clear. For every �8 this Government cuts, your Government
:49:26. > :49:27.Government cuts, your Government Government cuts, your Government
:49:27. > :49:28.Government cuts, your Government would have got �7. You will restore
:49:28. > :49:34.would have got �7. You will restore would have got �7. You will restore
:49:34. > :49:35.would have got �7. You will restore all these cuts, will you? You cannot
:49:35. > :49:36.all these cuts, will you? You cannot all these cuts, will you? You cannot
:49:36. > :49:37.all these cuts, will you? You cannot argue with the fact, Anna, that the
:49:37. > :49:41.argue with the fact, Anna, that the argue with the fact, Anna, that the
:49:41. > :49:42.way your Government is divvying up way your Government is divvying up
:49:42. > :49:46.way your Government is divvying up way your Government is divvying up
:49:46. > :49:47.the funding... We have to leave that the funding... We have to leave that
:49:47. > :49:52.the funding... We have to leave that there. Will Labour restore the cuts?
:49:52. > :49:52.there. Will Labour restore the cuts? there. Will Labour restore the cuts?
:49:52. > :49:53.there. Will Labour restore the cuts? Quick answer. We make sure we will
:49:53. > :49:54.Quick answer. We make sure we will Quick answer. We make sure we will
:49:54. > :49:57.distribute the funds on a fair distribute the funds on a fair
:49:57. > :49:58.distribute the funds on a fair basis. We will publish our manifesto
:49:58. > :49:59.basis. We will publish our manifesto basis. We will publish our manifesto
:49:59. > :50:01.when a general election is called. when a general election is called.
:50:01. > :50:02.when a general election is called. when a general election is called.
:50:02. > :50:03.Once upon a time we were famous in Once upon a time we were famous in
:50:03. > :50:04.Once upon a time we were famous in the East Midlands via our
:50:04. > :50:05.the East Midlands via our manufacturing strength, but as
:50:05. > :50:07.manufacturing strength, but as industries like textiles and
:50:07. > :50:08.industries like textiles and industries like textiles and
:50:08. > :50:09.knitwear have moved abroad, it has knitwear have moved abroad, it has
:50:09. > :50:11.knitwear have moved abroad, it has been slowly declining. Are there
:50:11. > :50:13.been slowly declining. Are there been slowly declining. Are there
:50:13. > :50:14.signs of life? Mark Spencer thinks signs of life? Mark Spencer thinks
:50:14. > :50:15.signs of life? Mark Spencer thinks so. He held a Westminster Hall
:50:15. > :50:16.so. He held a Westminster Hall so. He held a Westminster Hall
:50:16. > :50:17.debate on the strength of our debate on the strength of our
:50:17. > :50:20.debate on the strength of our manufacturing sector and what it can
:50:20. > :50:21.manufacturing sector and what it can manufacturing sector and what it can
:50:21. > :50:23.offer future investors. The message offer future investors. The message
:50:23. > :50:24.offer future investors. The message offer future investors. The message
:50:24. > :50:25.of this debate, I hope, will be that of this debate, I hope, will be that
:50:25. > :50:25.of this debate, I hope, will be that of this debate, I hope, will be that
:50:25. > :50:28.within the East Midlands we are very within the East Midlands we are very
:50:28. > :50:29.much open for business. much open for business.
:50:29. > :50:30.much open for business. much open for business.
:50:30. > :50:32.If you are a manufacturer of any If you are a manufacturer of any
:50:32. > :50:33.If you are a manufacturer of any sort and you are looking for
:50:33. > :50:34.sort and you are looking for sort and you are looking for
:50:34. > :50:35.somewhere to relocate, the East somewhere to relocate, the East
:50:35. > :50:36.somewhere to relocate, the East somewhere to relocate, the East
:50:36. > :50:37.Midlands is the ideal place to do Midlands is the ideal place to do
:50:37. > :50:39.Midlands is the ideal place to do Midlands is the ideal place to do
:50:39. > :50:42.that. We would welcome you with open arms.
:50:42. > :50:44.arms. arms.
:50:44. > :50:45.Chris, you were there. He spoke Chris, you were there. He spoke
:50:45. > :50:49.Chris, you were there. He spoke passionately. Should we be making
:50:49. > :50:50.passionately. Should we be making more of our manufacturing?
:50:50. > :50:51.more of our manufacturing? Manufacturing is absolutely
:50:51. > :50:52.Manufacturing is absolutely Manufacturing is absolutely
:50:52. > :50:53.essential to British economy. When essential to British economy. When
:50:53. > :50:54.essential to British economy. When David Cameron brought his cabinet to
:50:54. > :50:56.David Cameron brought his cabinet to David Cameron brought his cabinet to
:50:56. > :50:57.David Cameron brought his cabinet to Derby in March 2011, to make that
:50:57. > :51:03.Derby in March 2011, to make that Derby in March 2011, to make that
:51:03. > :51:06.point about rebalancing the economy point about rebalancing the economy
:51:06. > :51:09.point about rebalancing the economy point about rebalancing the economy
:51:09. > :51:10., the action that has followed has , the action that has followed has
:51:10. > :51:11., the action that has followed has , the action that has followed has
:51:11. > :51:13.not... We so the decision on the not... We so the decision on the
:51:13. > :51:14.not... We so the decision on the Thames Link programme going to
:51:14. > :51:16.Thames Link programme going to Thames Link programme going to
:51:16. > :51:18.Siemens to build the trains in Siemens to build the trains in
:51:18. > :51:20.Germany. Can manufacturing leaders Germany. Can manufacturing leaders
:51:20. > :51:21.Germany. Can manufacturing leaders Germany. Can manufacturing leaders
:51:21. > :51:22.on the road to recovery? Yes. Mark on the road to recovery? Yes. Mark
:51:22. > :51:24.on the road to recovery? Yes. Mark speaks about the small and medium
:51:24. > :51:25.speaks about the small and medium speaks about the small and medium
:51:25. > :51:26.businesses. What I think is businesses. What I think is
:51:26. > :51:27.businesses. What I think is businesses. What I think is
:51:27. > :51:28.important is the amount of money we important is the amount of money we
:51:28. > :51:29.important is the amount of money we have invested in our infrastructure
:51:29. > :51:30.have invested in our infrastructure have invested in our infrastructure
:51:30. > :51:32.have invested in our infrastructure in the East Midlands. We have the
:51:32. > :51:33.in the East Midlands. We have the electrification of the Midland
:51:33. > :51:36.electrification of the Midland electrification of the Midland
:51:36. > :51:40.mainline, we have the dualling of mainline, we have the dualling of
:51:40. > :51:42.mainline, we have the dualling of the 8453, the tramp in Nottingham.
:51:42. > :51:44.the 8453, the tramp in Nottingham. the 8453, the tramp in Nottingham.
:51:44. > :51:48.the 8453, the tramp in Nottingham. -- A453. And the enterprise zone in
:51:48. > :51:49.-- A453. And the enterprise zone in -- A453. And the enterprise zone in
:51:49. > :51:50.Nottingham. Let's find out what Nottingham. Let's find out what
:51:50. > :51:52.Nottingham. Let's find out what manufacturers want. We have visited
:51:52. > :51:55.manufacturers want. We have visited one forwardthinking company in
:51:55. > :51:56.one forwardthinking company in one forwardthinking company in
:51:56. > :51:58.Market Harborough. Sheridan & Co has Market Harborough. Sheridan & Co has
:51:58. > :51:58.Market Harborough. Sheridan & Co has Market Harborough. Sheridan & Co has
:51:58. > :52:00.offices in new lock -- New York and offices in new lock -- New York and
:52:00. > :52:00.offices in new lock -- New York and Shanghai and believes the heritage
:52:00. > :52:01.Shanghai and believes the heritage Shanghai and believes the heritage
:52:01. > :52:03.of East Midlands manufacturing is of East Midlands manufacturing is
:52:03. > :52:03.of East Midlands manufacturing is of East Midlands manufacturing is
:52:03. > :52:07.vital to its global success. Here is vital to its global success. Here is
:52:07. > :52:08.vital to its global success. Here is what the workforce thing. I think
:52:08. > :52:10.what the workforce thing. I think what the workforce thing. I think
:52:10. > :52:14.manufacturing is one of the most manufacturing is one of the most
:52:14. > :52:15.manufacturing is one of the most important things to do with England.
:52:15. > :52:15.important things to do with England. important things to do with England.
:52:15. > :52:17.The heritage of manufacturing from The heritage of manufacturing from
:52:17. > :52:19.The heritage of manufacturing from the industrial Revolution to now, we
:52:19. > :52:23.the industrial Revolution to now, we the industrial Revolution to now, we
:52:23. > :52:24.offer good quality material and offer good quality material and
:52:24. > :52:25.offer good quality material and products. It is something that is
:52:25. > :52:26.products. It is something that is products. It is something that is
:52:26. > :52:28.really important to the country and really important to the country and
:52:28. > :52:29.really important to the country and really important to the country and
:52:29. > :52:29.the people that live in it. I am the people that live in it. I am
:52:29. > :52:32.the people that live in it. I am the people that live in it. I am
:52:32. > :52:33.the people that live in it. I am glad I am in a job at the moment.
:52:33. > :52:36.glad I am in a job at the moment. glad I am in a job at the moment.
:52:36. > :52:37.glad I am in a job at the moment. used to have 13 people working here.
:52:37. > :52:39.used to have 13 people working here. used to have 13 people working here.
:52:39. > :52:44.used to have 13 people working here. Now we have five in the workshop.
:52:44. > :52:45.Now we have five in the workshop. Now we have five in the workshop.
:52:45. > :52:47.Now we have five in the workshop. You do worry. When you hear about
:52:47. > :52:48.You do worry. When you hear about other companies struggling, you
:52:48. > :52:49.other companies struggling, you other companies struggling, you
:52:49. > :52:49.other companies struggling, you worry. We seem to be going OK, but
:52:49. > :52:50.worry. We seem to be going OK, but worry. We seem to be going OK, but
:52:50. > :52:52.worry. We seem to be going OK, but you don't know what is around the
:52:52. > :52:53.you don't know what is around the you don't know what is around the
:52:53. > :52:54.corner. Michael Sheridan, you either corner. Michael Sheridan, you either
:52:54. > :52:58.corner. Michael Sheridan, you either founder and chairman of Sheridan &
:52:58. > :53:00.What do you want from the What do you want from the
:53:01. > :53:01.What do you want from the What do you want from the
:53:01. > :53:04.politicians in front of you? I think politicians in front of you? I think
:53:04. > :53:07.politicians in front of you? I think politicians in front of you? I think
:53:07. > :53:09.what we need to see is more interest what we need to see is more interest
:53:09. > :53:09.from manufacturers particularly. from manufacturers particularly.
:53:09. > :53:11.from manufacturers particularly. from manufacturers particularly.
:53:11. > :53:12.There needs to be more of an There needs to be more of an
:53:12. > :53:15.There needs to be more of an emphasis on funding for businesses
:53:15. > :53:16.emphasis on funding for businesses emphasis on funding for businesses
:53:16. > :53:17.that are prefer batterer prepared to that are prefer batterer prepared to
:53:17. > :53:20.that are prefer batterer prepared to that are prefer batterer prepared to
:53:20. > :53:20.get business is from the UK and get business is from the UK and
:53:20. > :53:21.get business is from the UK and get business is from the UK and
:53:21. > :53:22.Europe and I'd be interested to know Europe and I'd be interested to know
:53:22. > :53:22.Europe and I'd be interested to know Europe and I'd be interested to know
:53:22. > :53:28.what you are thinking about in the what you are thinking about in the
:53:28. > :53:28.what you are thinking about in the what you are thinking about in the
:53:28. > :53:29.short to medium term. It is an short to medium term. It is an
:53:30. > :53:32.short to medium term. It is an important point and concerns most of
:53:32. > :53:33.important point and concerns most of important point and concerns most of
:53:33. > :53:34.important point and concerns most of us. We are not seeing the lending...
:53:34. > :53:34.us. We are not seeing the lending... us. We are not seeing the lending...
:53:34. > :53:36.us. We are not seeing the lending... It is the facilities as well from
:53:36. > :53:37.It is the facilities as well from It is the facilities as well from
:53:37. > :53:38.It is the facilities as well from the banks. What are you going to do
:53:38. > :53:39.the banks. What are you going to do the banks. What are you going to do
:53:39. > :53:40.the banks. What are you going to do about it? We cannot tell the banks
:53:40. > :53:41.about it? We cannot tell the banks about it? We cannot tell the banks
:53:41. > :53:42.about it? We cannot tell the banks what to do, but we can encourage
:53:42. > :53:43.what to do, but we can encourage what to do, but we can encourage
:53:43. > :53:46.what to do, but we can encourage them wildly and make it clear we
:53:46. > :53:47.them wildly and make it clear we them wildly and make it clear we
:53:47. > :53:48.them wildly and make it clear we expect to see improvement. We own 8%
:53:48. > :53:48.expect to see improvement. We own 8% expect to see improvement. We own 8%
:53:48. > :53:49.expect to see improvement. We own 8% expect to see improvement. We own 8%
:53:49. > :53:51.of some of them and I think that is of some of them and I think that is
:53:52. > :53:53.of some of them and I think that is of some of them and I think that is
:53:53. > :53:53.something we need to see. They need something we need to see. They need
:53:53. > :53:54.something we need to see. They need something we need to see. They need
:53:55. > :53:55.to make up for the damage before to make up for the damage before
:53:55. > :53:57.to make up for the damage before they start that money flowing. In
:53:57. > :53:58.they start that money flowing. In they start that money flowing. In
:53:58. > :53:59.they start that money flowing. In terms of exports, one thing that is
:53:59. > :54:01.terms of exports, one thing that is terms of exports, one thing that is
:54:01. > :54:07.happening next week, on Monday, the happening next week, on Monday, the
:54:07. > :54:07.happening next week, on Monday, the Prime Minister goes to India. That
:54:07. > :54:08.Prime Minister goes to India. That Prime Minister goes to India. That
:54:08. > :54:09.Prime Minister goes to India. That is taking it by the scruff of the
:54:09. > :54:11.is taking it by the scruff of the is taking it by the scruff of the
:54:11. > :54:12.is taking it by the scruff of the neck and going out there. What can
:54:13. > :54:14.neck and going out there. What can neck and going out there. What can
:54:14. > :54:16.neck and going out there. What can you say to Michael? We need to make
:54:16. > :54:16.you say to Michael? We need to make you say to Michael? We need to make
:54:16. > :54:17.resources available for research and resources available for research and
:54:17. > :54:19.resources available for research and development. We also need to be
:54:19. > :54:19.development. We also need to be development. We also need to be
:54:19. > :54:21.smarter about how we organise our smarter about how we organise our
:54:21. > :54:24.public sector procurement, very public sector procurement, very
:54:24. > :54:26.public sector procurement, very often when police forces or other
:54:26. > :54:28.often when police forces or other often when police forces or other
:54:28. > :54:29.areas of the public sector with areas of the public sector with
:54:29. > :54:31.areas of the public sector with vehicles, they often get them from
:54:31. > :54:32.vehicles, they often get them from vehicles, they often get them from
:54:32. > :54:34.vehicles, they often get them from overseas. We need to use, where we
:54:34. > :54:36.overseas. We need to use, where we overseas. We need to use, where we
:54:36. > :54:36.can, the power of Government can, the power of Government
:54:36. > :54:37.can, the power of Government spending, whether local or national,
:54:37. > :54:40.spending, whether local or national, spending, whether local or national,
:54:40. > :54:41.to support our local industries. You to support our local industries. You
:54:41. > :54:42.to support our local industries. You have just come back from America.
:54:42. > :54:43.have just come back from America. have just come back from America.
:54:43. > :54:46.How different is it doing business How different is it doing business
:54:46. > :54:52.How different is it doing business How different is it doing business
:54:52. > :54:53.over there than here? It is more over there than here? It is more
:54:53. > :54:55.over there than here? It is more immediate. From a Government view
:54:55. > :54:56.immediate. From a Government view immediate. From a Government view
:54:56. > :54:57.that to activate capitalists in the that to activate capitalists in the
:54:58. > :55:00.that to activate capitalists in the state, to support industry by giving
:55:00. > :55:01.state, to support industry by giving state, to support industry by giving
:55:01. > :55:02.them tax breaks and incentives to them tax breaks and incentives to
:55:02. > :55:04.them tax breaks and incentives to them tax breaks and incentives to
:55:04. > :55:05.get the money back into the system. get the money back into the system.
:55:05. > :55:08.get the money back into the system. get the money back into the system.
:55:08. > :55:09.What is slowing it down? We're not What is slowing it down? We're not
:55:09. > :55:10.What is slowing it down? We're not moving quickly enough in terms of
:55:10. > :55:11.moving quickly enough in terms of moving quickly enough in terms of
:55:11. > :55:15.moving quickly enough in terms of that sort of activity. We file for
:55:15. > :55:16.that sort of activity. We file for that sort of activity. We file for
:55:16. > :55:17.that sort of activity. We file for patents at the same time in the UK
:55:17. > :55:19.patents at the same time in the UK patents at the same time in the UK
:55:19. > :55:20.patents at the same time in the UK patents at the same time in the UK
:55:20. > :55:20.and Europe and the US. We got the US and Europe and the US. We got the US
:55:20. > :55:22.and Europe and the US. We got the US patents through 12 months ago. We
:55:22. > :55:26.patents through 12 months ago. We patents through 12 months ago. We
:55:26. > :55:27.are still in deliberation with that are still in deliberation with that
:55:27. > :55:28.are still in deliberation with that are still in deliberation with that
:55:28. > :55:29.ate here. I can go to the Inland ate here. I can go to the Inland
:55:29. > :55:30.ate here. I can go to the Inland ate here. I can go to the Inland
:55:30. > :55:31.Revenue and say I am in the action Revenue and say I am in the action
:55:31. > :55:31.Revenue and say I am in the action Revenue and say I am in the action
:55:31. > :55:32.of getting a patents, can I please of getting a patents, can I please
:55:32. > :55:33.of getting a patents, can I please of getting a patents, can I please
:55:33. > :55:34.of getting a patents, can I please have some tax break at the end of my
:55:34. > :55:35.have some tax break at the end of my have some tax break at the end of my
:55:35. > :55:38.have some tax break at the end of my year? That does not help me on a
:55:38. > :55:39.year? That does not help me on a year? That does not help me on a
:55:39. > :55:39.year? That does not help me on a day-to-day basis. I need that IP in
:55:39. > :55:40.day-to-day basis. I need that IP in day-to-day basis. I need that IP in
:55:40. > :55:41.day-to-day basis. I need that IP in day-to-day basis. I need that IP in
:55:41. > :55:42.place so I can go out and talk to place so I can go out and talk to
:55:42. > :55:45.place so I can go out and talk to businesses about how special that
:55:45. > :55:46.businesses about how special that businesses about how special that
:55:46. > :55:48.businesses about how special that is. I think it is the ongoing that
:55:48. > :55:50.is. I think it is the ongoing that is. I think it is the ongoing that
:55:50. > :55:51.is imperative. From my own dealings is imperative. From my own dealings
:55:51. > :55:52.is imperative. From my own dealings is imperative. From my own dealings
:55:52. > :55:53.as a junior minister, I sit on as a junior minister, I sit on
:55:53. > :55:54.as a junior minister, I sit on committees where we look at
:55:54. > :55:55.committees where we look at committees where we look at
:55:55. > :55:56.regulation. We are working on the regulation. We are working on the
:55:56. > :55:57.regulation. We are working on the basis that for everyone that comes
:55:57. > :56:00.basis that for everyone that comes basis that for everyone that comes
:56:00. > :56:01.basis that for everyone that comes in, we want to going out. I don't
:56:01. > :56:02.in, we want to going out. I don't in, we want to going out. I don't
:56:02. > :56:02.in, we want to going out. I don't think -- two going out. I don't
:56:02. > :56:04.think -- two going out. I don't think -- two going out. I don't
:56:04. > :56:06.think -- two going out. I don't think we can do anything more. It is
:56:06. > :56:07.think we can do anything more. It is think we can do anything more. It is
:56:07. > :56:08.inexcusable. I will take that point inexcusable. I will take that point
:56:08. > :56:10.inexcusable. I will take that point inexcusable. I will take that point
:56:10. > :56:12.back and I hope you raise it with back and I hope you raise it with
:56:12. > :56:13.back and I hope you raise it with back and I hope you raise it with
:56:13. > :56:14.your MP. There is too much of a your MP. There is too much of a
:56:14. > :56:16.fixation with the financial fixation with the financial
:56:16. > :56:17.fixation with the financial fixation with the financial
:56:17. > :56:21.services. They put too many eggs in services. They put too many eggs in
:56:21. > :56:22.services. They put too many eggs in the financial services basket. The
:56:22. > :56:23.the financial services basket. The industrialisation in early 1980s,
:56:23. > :56:23.industrialisation in early 1980s, industrialisation in early 1980s,
:56:23. > :56:26.industrialisation in early 1980s, whilst it was an engine for economic
:56:26. > :56:27.whilst it was an engine for economic whilst it was an engine for economic
:56:27. > :56:30.growth, it didn't build any growth, it didn't build any
:56:30. > :56:31.growth, it didn't build any resilience into the economy. When
:56:31. > :56:33.resilience into the economy. When resilience into the economy. When
:56:33. > :56:34.the worldwide downturn arrives, we the worldwide downturn arrives, we
:56:34. > :56:34.the worldwide downturn arrives, we the worldwide downturn arrives, we
:56:35. > :56:36.were overly exposed and if we had were overly exposed and if we had
:56:36. > :56:37.were overly exposed and if we had followed the German model, maybe we
:56:37. > :56:39.followed the German model, maybe we followed the German model, maybe we
:56:39. > :56:40.would have been more resilient. would have been more resilient.
:56:40. > :56:43.would have been more resilient. Maybe the Government should put more
:56:43. > :56:44.Maybe the Government should put more Maybe the Government should put more
:56:44. > :56:45.pressure on the banks. There are pressure on the banks. There are
:56:45. > :56:45.pressure on the banks. There are pressure on the banks. There are
:56:46. > :56:47.fantastic things about the UK that I fantastic things about the UK that I
:56:47. > :56:50.fantastic things about the UK that I fantastic things about the UK that I
:56:50. > :56:50.would like to comment on. We work a would like to comment on. We work a
:56:50. > :56:53.would like to comment on. We work a lot with Leicester University and
:56:53. > :56:54.lot with Leicester University and lot with Leicester University and
:56:54. > :56:55.have come up with a replacement have come up with a replacement
:56:55. > :56:57.have come up with a replacement material for MDF which is a
:56:57. > :57:00.material for MDF which is a fantastic development which will
:57:00. > :57:01.fantastic development which will fantastic development which will
:57:01. > :57:01.help us differentiate, certainly in help us differentiate, certainly in
:57:01. > :57:04.help us differentiate, certainly in the shop fitting context, and we
:57:05. > :57:05.the shop fitting context, and we the shop fitting context, and we
:57:05. > :57:08.have done that with very little have done that with very little
:57:08. > :57:10.have done that with very little funding. We have done that through
:57:10. > :57:10.funding. We have done that through funding. We have done that through
:57:10. > :57:12.determination. We could have had determination. We could have had
:57:12. > :57:12.determination. We could have had determination. We could have had
:57:12. > :57:13.that product to market six or at that product to market six or at
:57:14. > :57:14.that product to market six or at that product to market six or at
:57:14. > :57:17.eight or ten months ago, had there eight or ten months ago, had there
:57:17. > :57:18.eight or ten months ago, had there been the funding and resources. The
:57:18. > :57:19.been the funding and resources. The been the funding and resources. The
:57:19. > :57:20.frustrating thing about the UK is frustrating thing about the UK is
:57:20. > :57:22.frustrating thing about the UK is that all these great things going
:57:22. > :57:23.that all these great things going that all these great things going
:57:23. > :57:25.that all these great things going on, they are great ideas, but people
:57:25. > :57:25.on, they are great ideas, but people on, they are great ideas, but people
:57:26. > :57:26.like myself and other businessmen like myself and other businessmen
:57:26. > :57:27.like myself and other businessmen like myself and other businessmen
:57:28. > :57:28.are unable to get these things out. are unable to get these things out.
:57:28. > :57:29.are unable to get these things out. are unable to get these things out.
:57:29. > :57:30.I go into my office every morning I go into my office every morning
:57:30. > :57:31.I go into my office every morning I go into my office every morning
:57:31. > :57:32.I go into my office every morning and say to my team, we must get this
:57:32. > :57:33.and say to my team, we must get this and say to my team, we must get this
:57:33. > :57:33.and say to my team, we must get this and say to my team, we must get this
:57:34. > :57:35.out by the end of today, or the end out by the end of today, or the end
:57:35. > :57:36.out by the end of today, or the end out by the end of today, or the end
:57:36. > :57:38.of the week. It is of the barriers of the week. It is of the barriers
:57:38. > :57:38.of the week. It is of the barriers of the week. It is of the barriers
:57:38. > :57:39.we face and nothing to do with we face and nothing to do with
:57:39. > :57:42.we face and nothing to do with ourselves and the great facilities
:57:42. > :57:43.ourselves and the great facilities ourselves and the great facilities
:57:43. > :57:44.ourselves and the great facilities we have. What can we do to make
:57:44. > :57:47.we have. What can we do to make manufacturing have a high
:57:47. > :57:48.manufacturing have a high manufacturing have a high
:57:48. > :57:49.importance? It is thinking out of importance? It is thinking out of
:57:49. > :57:50.importance? It is thinking out of importance? It is thinking out of
:57:50. > :57:52.the box and moving things on more the box and moving things on more
:57:52. > :57:53.the box and moving things on more quickly and realising we cannot do
:57:53. > :57:54.quickly and realising we cannot do quickly and realising we cannot do
:57:54. > :57:56.things in the way we have things in the way we have
:57:56. > :57:56.things in the way we have traditionally done it. We need to
:57:56. > :57:57.traditionally done it. We need to traditionally done it. We need to
:57:57. > :57:59.traditionally done it. We need to wake up and recognise that it is not
:57:59. > :58:00.wake up and recognise that it is not wake up and recognise that it is not
:58:00. > :58:01.just Europe we are in competition just Europe we are in competition
:58:01. > :58:03.just Europe we are in competition just Europe we are in competition
:58:03. > :58:05.with, but also when you go to India with, but also when you go to India
:58:05. > :58:06.with, but also when you go to India with, but also when you go to India
:58:06. > :58:08.and China... I went to India and one and China... I went to India and one
:58:08. > :58:09.and China... I went to India and one and China... I went to India and one
:58:09. > :58:10.and China... I went to India and one of the things I did was look at how
:58:10. > :58:11.of the things I did was look at how of the things I did was look at how
:58:11. > :58:11.British businesses working in the British businesses working in the
:58:11. > :58:13.British businesses working in the healthcare sector can do business
:58:13. > :58:14.healthcare sector can do business healthcare sector can do business
:58:14. > :58:16.healthcare sector can do business out there. The Indians think so much
:58:16. > :58:17.out there. The Indians think so much out there. The Indians think so much
:58:17. > :58:20.out there. The Indians think so much more freely. They are not as overly
:58:20. > :58:22.more freely. They are not as overly constrained. There are positive
:58:22. > :58:23.constrained. There are positive constrained. There are positive
:58:23. > :58:25.noises from both our MPs. Any noises from both our MPs. Any
:58:25. > :58:28.noises from both our MPs. Any confidence in that? It is not
:58:28. > :58:30.confidence in that? It is not confidence in that? It is not
:58:30. > :58:31.confidence in that? It is not enough. We now need some action. We
:58:31. > :58:32.enough. We now need some action. We enough. We now need some action. We
:58:32. > :58:34.have to leave it there. Our have to leave it there. Our
:58:34. > :58:36.have to leave it there. Our political editor has written a blog
:58:36. > :58:37.political editor has written a blog political editor has written a blog
:58:37. > :58:38.about manufacturing in the East about manufacturing in the East
:58:38. > :58:38.about manufacturing in the East about manufacturing in the East
:58:38. > :58:45.Midlands on our website. Here he is Midlands on our website. Here he is
:58:45. > :58:46.with our 60-second round-up. with our 60-second round-up.
:58:46. > :58:47.with our 60-second round-up. A campaign group dedicated to
:58:47. > :58:49.A campaign group dedicated to preserving Sherwood Forest has
:58:49. > :58:51.preserving Sherwood Forest has welcomed the Governmentofficial
:58:51. > :58:51.welcomed the Governmentofficial welcomed the Governmentofficial
:58:51. > :58:52.announcement that it has dropped announcement that it has dropped
:58:52. > :58:54.announcement that it has dropped announcement that it has dropped
:58:54. > :58:56.plans to sell off much of the plans to sell off much of the
:58:56. > :58:56.country's woodlands. The save country's woodlands. The save
:58:56. > :58:58.country's woodlands. The save Sherwood Forest campaign says the
:58:58. > :59:00.Sherwood Forest campaign says the Sherwood Forest campaign says the
:59:00. > :59:02.forest still needs more investment. forest still needs more investment.
:59:03. > :59:04.forest still needs more investment. Labour's MP wants the European
:59:04. > :59:05.Labour's MP wants the European Labour's MP wants the European
:59:05. > :59:06.Parliament to tackle the horse meat Parliament to tackle the horse meat
:59:06. > :59:08.Parliament to tackle the horse meat Parliament to tackle the horse meat
:59:08. > :59:10.scandal. She says it has revealed a scandal. She says it has revealed a
:59:10. > :59:11.scandal. She says it has revealed a loophole in European legislation and
:59:11. > :59:12.loophole in European legislation and loophole in European legislation and
:59:12. > :59:15.loophole in European legislation and wants the issue looked at by the
:59:15. > :59:16.wants the issue looked at by the European food safety committee.
:59:16. > :59:19.European food safety committee. European food safety committee.
:59:19. > :59:20.Nottingham council has started a Nottingham council has started a
:59:20. > :59:23.Nottingham council has started a petition against Howells -- housing
:59:23. > :59:25.petition against Howells -- housing changes including bedroom tax.
:59:25. > :59:25.changes including bedroom tax. changes including bedroom tax.
:59:26. > :59:27.People deemed to have more bedrooms People deemed to have more bedrooms
:59:27. > :59:28.People deemed to have more bedrooms and they need will see benefits
:59:28. > :59:29.and they need will see benefits and they need will see benefits
:59:29. > :59:30.reduced. More houses and better rail reduced. More houses and better rail
:59:31. > :59:31.reduced. More houses and better rail reduced. More houses and better rail
:59:31. > :59:32.and roads are being called for bad and roads are being called for bad
:59:32. > :59:34.and roads are being called for bad East Midlands councils. It has
:59:34. > :59:36.East Midlands councils. It has East Midlands councils. It has
:59:36. > :59:40.released a wish list including released a wish list including
:59:40. > :59:41.released a wish list including improved rail links, better road
:59:41. > :59:42.improved rail links, better road improved rail links, better road
:59:42. > :59:48.links and investment in the links and investment in the
:59:48. > :59:51.region's former coalfields. region's former coalfields.
:59:51. > :59:53.region's former coalfields. region's former coalfields.