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:01:23. > :01:26.In the East Midlands: As the number of hospital admissions for alcohol

:01:26. > :01:29.related illnesses soar, are we drinking too much? And it's one of

:01:29. > :01:39.the biggest economies in the world, with strong links to the East

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:01:39. > :38:17.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2198 seconds

:38:17. > :38:23.Midlands - but should we be giving In the East Midlands, are we

:38:23. > :38:27.drinking too much? I've think it is a middle-aged age group who do

:38:27. > :38:32.their shopping in the supermarket, get Barrar a whole much more

:38:32. > :38:36.cheaply than they did in the past, and drink in the evening to relax.

:38:36. > :38:41.One of the biggest economies in the world, with strong links to the

:38:41. > :38:49.East Midlands, should we be giving aid to India? I stayed it should be

:38:49. > :38:52.stopped. It is not really helping this country, trader, yes, aid, no.

:38:52. > :38:55.Hello, I'm Marie Ashby. Joining me this week, the Conservative MP for

:38:55. > :38:58.Bosworth David Tredinnick, and Labour's MP for Bassetlaw John Mann.

:38:58. > :39:00.The head of East Midlands Ambulance Service was in Westminster this

:39:00. > :39:03.week discussing radical changes to the service with Conservative MPs.

:39:03. > :39:06.It's planning to cut 53 stations around the region and replace them

:39:06. > :39:09.with 13 hubs. Phil Milligan, the ambulance service chief executive,

:39:09. > :39:13.told MPs it would improve response times.

:39:13. > :39:16.There's been a lot of concern over this - this week we heard about an

:39:16. > :39:19.eighty four year old woman in Leicestershire who had to wait 3

:39:19. > :39:28.hours for an ambulance after a fall outside her home. Do you think the

:39:28. > :39:37.changes will improve things? No, I don't. We are not prepared to

:39:37. > :39:44.accept it. We have put in about 20,000 submissions same we are not

:39:44. > :39:49.prepared to lose our ambulance stations, with a vast array rethink,

:39:49. > :39:57.-- we have asked for a rethink. We are not prepared to accept anything

:39:57. > :40:02.less. I am getting a clear indication that they we think is

:40:02. > :40:08.going on. They have not been able to argue against the points we have

:40:08. > :40:17.made, we have pointed out that our ambulances go north to Doncaster or

:40:17. > :40:21.and Sheffield. There is no logic in having a base that we don't news. I

:40:21. > :40:31.think they raised a rethink. I think they understand that in rural

:40:31. > :40:33.

:40:33. > :40:41.areas, it doesn't add up. Do you think there is anything going on?

:40:41. > :40:48.Babb looked at it, subsequently I am informed that Hinckley will have

:40:48. > :40:52.a hard station. I feel much more optimistic. There is a real worry

:40:52. > :41:00.that ambulance services will be focused on the city of Leicester,

:41:00. > :41:05.to the detriment of the countryside, Market Bosworth, up to Shackleton's.

:41:05. > :41:10.I feel confident we will have a modern, efficient facility. We have

:41:10. > :41:16.to accept that there is need for change. Some of the old stations

:41:16. > :41:21.have to go, we do need a modern service, and the old buildings are

:41:21. > :41:31.totally unsuitable, and the costs of refurbishing them is way above

:41:31. > :41:31.

:41:31. > :41:34.that are putting in a new building. Well one thing our ambulance

:41:34. > :41:38.service certainly has to deal with on a daily basis is alcohol abuse.

:41:38. > :41:40.And there's been a shocking rise in the number of people in the East

:41:40. > :41:47.Midlands being admitted to hospital for alcohol related conditions, up

:41:47. > :41:52.by almost a third in just five years. More and more people are

:41:52. > :41:56.having problems with alcohol, and at the Royal Derby hospital they

:41:56. > :42:01.have found that the age group of people are changing.

:42:01. > :42:05.Teenage years seem to have reduced their drinking in the last years,

:42:05. > :42:09.the Education put into schools is reaping some benefits. I picked it

:42:09. > :42:13.is the middle-aged people who do their shopping in the supermarket,

:42:13. > :42:19.get ban alcohol much more cheaply than they did in the past, and

:42:19. > :42:26.drink in the evening to relax. On a daily basis they are drinking

:42:26. > :42:32.alcohol, and adds up to quite a lot. They had been looking more closely

:42:32. > :42:37.at the causes of alcohol, at this pub, they say a change in drinking

:42:37. > :42:42.habits has made the situation worse. They are buying cheap alcohol from

:42:42. > :42:48.supermarkets, and drinking a lot more at home before they come out.

:42:48. > :42:53.The night-time economy has changed, people are coming out a lot later.

:42:53. > :42:59.From a landlord's point of view, it is difficult to judge how much

:42:59. > :43:04.alcohol they have consumed. A recent inquiry into drink and drugs

:43:04. > :43:12.has found that efforts to tackle drug problems are having an impact.

:43:12. > :43:17.Now it is alcohol abuse that is on the increase. 44% of violent crime

:43:17. > :43:23.is alcohol-related. If you look at the drugs side of staff, it is less

:43:23. > :43:28.socially acceptable in British culture, alcohol has been more

:43:28. > :43:33.acceptable, that is the attitude we need to change. In recent times the

:43:33. > :43:37.focus has shifted, and I think they are taking the issue seriously and

:43:37. > :43:42.providing more funding. Before figures show that in the East

:43:42. > :43:46.Midlands there has been a 30% rise in admissions to hospital in the

:43:46. > :43:51.last five years, but if you look more closely, there may be signs of

:43:51. > :43:55.hope, with admissions falling in the last year. This charity in

:43:55. > :44:02.Derbyshire say they are finding new ways of tackling the problem. One

:44:02. > :44:05.of the biggest things is that there are no huge waiting lists, they are

:44:05. > :44:13.in bed within five days of the referral being made. You have to

:44:13. > :44:18.strike when the iron is hot. Politician has, health workers and

:44:18. > :44:22.charities are turning their attentions to tackling the alcohol

:44:22. > :44:26.crisis, back can any of them end our obsession with booze?

:44:26. > :44:32.You set up the inquiry we mentioned in Bassetlaw. So which was the

:44:32. > :44:39.bigger problem, drugs or alcohol? It used to be drugs, but we have

:44:39. > :44:43.got on top of the heroin problem. Many of our addicts are back paying

:44:43. > :44:52.taxes, or are in treatment. We have had some great results, and have

:44:52. > :44:57.saved money for the taxpayer. How bad is it? It may not be a new

:44:57. > :45:02.problem, it was there before. looking at the cost in policing,

:45:02. > :45:06.the cost to the health service, the cost to employers, and we intend to

:45:06. > :45:12.challenge that head-on. We are looking at a number of things, but

:45:12. > :45:17.in particular, the biggest mistake of the last government was bringing

:45:17. > :45:22.in 24 hour alcohol everywhere. It may work in big cities, but in

:45:22. > :45:31.market towns, it doesn't work. We don't need pubs that are open all

:45:31. > :45:40.night, and it has cost us a lot of money. Admission that Labour made

:45:40. > :45:45.some mistakes? The R idea of 24 hour drinking was to getting line

:45:45. > :45:50.with the rest of Europe. -- the idea. We are losing our pubs, we

:45:50. > :45:54.are losing that social interaction. Far too many people are drinking

:45:54. > :45:57.cheap alcohol, which supermarkets have as loss-leaders.

:45:57. > :46:02.The doctor in that report, Andrew Austin, supports a minimum pricing

:46:02. > :46:09.for alcohol. And this week, 70 health groups have said it should

:46:09. > :46:14.be a minimum of 50 pence per unit. Is that going to happen?

:46:14. > :46:18.committee which I sit on have looked at it, I have looked at the

:46:18. > :46:24.situation in Scotland, and I think there are a compelling number of

:46:24. > :46:34.cases. They are not finding it easy, but that does not mean you don't

:46:34. > :46:40.have to do it. We live to affect middle-class drinkers? -- will it

:46:40. > :46:46.affect middle-class drinkers? will affect some of them, but there

:46:46. > :46:49.is a much bigger issue, awareness of what alcohol does to you. It

:46:49. > :46:55.will increase your chance to diabetes, it will reduce your

:46:55. > :46:58.potency, it will make your eyes deteriorate more quickly. Your life

:46:58. > :47:08.expectancy will be reduced. These are the messages we need to get

:47:08. > :47:12.

:47:12. > :47:18.across. There are some glimmers of hope. They are very small. I will

:47:18. > :47:24.back the proposal for a minimum price, I don't know whether it will

:47:24. > :47:28.work, but it is worth a go. The health message has to be ramped up.

:47:28. > :47:33.If you are 40 years old, trying to hold on to your looks, and you

:47:33. > :47:43.drink a lot of alcohol, you will Ajay lot quicker. That message has

:47:43. > :47:47.

:47:47. > :47:54.not been there. -- tubal you will age. In message doesn't seem to be

:47:54. > :48:04.getting through, the British are known for their drinking? In some

:48:04. > :48:05.

:48:05. > :48:10.parts of the country it is getting across. There is work-in-progress.

:48:10. > :48:17.The supermarkets, three bottles of wine but �10, it is extraordinary

:48:18. > :48:21.you can get it so cheaply? It has changed to people staying in,

:48:22. > :48:26.television ratings are going up, people are staying in, doing some

:48:26. > :48:31.cooking, drinking a bottle of wine, or some beer. They are not

:48:31. > :48:39.realising how much they are drinking. It is all of us. We are

:48:39. > :48:44.all doing it. We have to get on top of it. People are not realising

:48:44. > :48:54.quite how much we drink at home. It is not like the pub, where you hand

:48:54. > :48:55.

:48:55. > :49:01.over the money. Is it something that worries you personally? It is

:49:01. > :49:05.another big issue. I will let John think about the answer. They used

:49:05. > :49:13.to be eight glasses of wine to a bottle, and now you're getting much

:49:13. > :49:18.bigger glasses in pubs, people are filed into drinking -- are full

:49:18. > :49:24.into thinking that they are drinking less. I worried about

:49:24. > :49:28.people driving a black a whole. There is a clear disparity between

:49:28. > :49:35.the amount people say they are drinking and what they actually do.

:49:35. > :49:45.I have no idea how much I could see him. Your must know how much you

:49:45. > :49:53.are drinking? If you go to a reception in Parliament, it is hard

:49:53. > :50:03.to know. Parliament is one of the worst, they run a copy bars in

:50:03. > :50:07.

:50:07. > :50:09.Parliament, bars everywhere. Should the UK be giving aid to a

:50:09. > :50:14.country that's got a space programme? Well, according to the

:50:14. > :50:17.government, no. Aid to India will end in two year's time. The

:50:17. > :50:20.government says it is one of the fastest growing economies in the

:50:20. > :50:22.world - and even the Indian government has said trade is better

:50:22. > :50:25.than aid. But one of our MPs doesn't agree.

:50:25. > :50:29.Jon Ashworth, from Leicester South has been in India. Earlier I spoke

:50:29. > :50:38.to him and asked him what he's seen that's so convinced him aid should

:50:38. > :50:48.continue. I have seen kids playing next to an open sewer, no shoes,

:50:48. > :50:49.

:50:49. > :50:54.toddlers walking round in the slums. It is extreme levels of poverty.

:50:54. > :51:02.Although I don't believe we should keep on giving aid to India for

:51:02. > :51:06.ever, I don't pick it should have ended abruptly in 2015 -- I don't

:51:06. > :51:10.think it should have ended abruptly in 2015. I think we will lose

:51:10. > :51:17.influence with India. I don't think it is in the British national

:51:17. > :51:23.interest. We are country with deep bonds, deep ties with India. We

:51:23. > :51:26.needed to maintain a modern relationship. That will help in

:51:26. > :51:29.terms of trade, and economic development.

:51:29. > :51:31.Well Jon Ashworth, mentioned business as well as aid there and

:51:31. > :51:33.we're joined by Uday Dholakia, a Leicester businessman, who's the

:51:33. > :51:36.chairman of the Indo British Trade Council.

:51:36. > :51:45.Is Jon right, will we lose influence if we end our aid

:51:45. > :51:51.donations? Geraghty macro parts to the argument. As a local

:51:51. > :51:55.businessman, I want to make sure that taxpayers' money means there

:51:55. > :52:04.is something in it for our institutions. The point that John

:52:04. > :52:11.is trying to make, he has clearly picked up by a number of serious

:52:11. > :52:20.issues. I think we have cut the aid programme a bit too quickly, it is

:52:20. > :52:22.a unilateral decision, we need to be humane and compassionate.

:52:22. > :52:31.You're a regular visitor to the Indian High commission what's their

:52:31. > :52:35.take on stopping aid to India. feel it is a unilateral decision on

:52:35. > :52:41.part of the government, they feel they should have been bilateral

:52:41. > :52:44.discussion. Seeing is believing and Jon

:52:44. > :52:53.Ashworth has clearly been affected by what he's seen. How can we

:52:53. > :52:58.ignore such obvious poverty? There are pockets like that in all

:52:58. > :53:03.countries across the world. The perception of aid is not a good one,

:53:03. > :53:13.people think that the money is pocketed. There is a determination

:53:13. > :53:15.

:53:15. > :53:19.to make sure aid is targeted on the most bd, and as the fact of the

:53:19. > :53:25.matter is that people are not going to begrudge the fact they are

:53:25. > :53:34.trying to target the aid more effectively. Can we really turn our

:53:34. > :53:40.backs on children in slums? It is not about turning our back, it is

:53:40. > :53:45.about effectiveness. I was one of the first to call for aid for China

:53:45. > :53:51.and India to be stopped, and money to be redirected to Africa, where I

:53:51. > :53:54.think the developer needs are far more great. India is booming as an

:53:54. > :54:00.economy, their growth rates are very good, we should be co-

:54:00. > :54:06.operating with our expertise, including water, sanitation and

:54:06. > :54:10.health. Well our politicians have strong

:54:10. > :54:20.views on this sensitive issue over to Des Coleman to see what you

:54:20. > :54:20.

:54:20. > :54:25.think. We give a the �200 million of aid to India every year.

:54:25. > :54:35.We have come to Derby to hear your thoughts. I think each should be

:54:35. > :54:45.stopped, it is not helping these countries. Trade, yes, aid, no.

:54:45. > :54:45.

:54:45. > :54:52.Allowed to the time it goes into the leader's bank account. We need

:54:52. > :54:56.to make sure goes to the right people. I can accept it going for

:54:56. > :55:02.humanitarian reasons, but not for armaments. They should be

:55:03. > :55:07.concentrating on the people. They should spend money on people here,

:55:08. > :55:12.on cancer, finding cures, rather than sending it to other countries.

:55:12. > :55:16.I think about all the children that are suffering over there, I have a

:55:16. > :55:22.child myself, but I also think there are quite a lot of people in

:55:22. > :55:25.this country but also need help. The homeless, that sort of thing.

:55:25. > :55:31.So a lot of people thinking we should look closer to home before

:55:31. > :55:40.we spend money abroad. Surely it would be better to taper it off

:55:40. > :55:46.rather than cutting off aid so abruptly? There is an argument for

:55:46. > :55:52.that, I'm not sure exactly what the aid packages. The charities depend

:55:52. > :56:02.on that money? I don't accept that, the aid could be spent much better

:56:02. > :56:07.

:56:07. > :56:11.in other areas. You mention Africa, half a million people can be saved.

:56:11. > :56:17.They have to be judgments in politics, and I think it is the

:56:17. > :56:27.correct judgment to move aid that are poorer, and let in Diego it's a

:56:27. > :56:34.way as -- and let India go its way as the successful economy that it

:56:34. > :56:40.is. There is a huge amount of wealth in India, the growth rate is

:56:40. > :56:45.9%, and we don't have one. We need to give away expertise, and put

:56:45. > :56:48.money in, and make sure it makes a big difference, in Africa.

:56:48. > :56:51.Let's look a bit more closely at our links with India. We've got

:56:51. > :57:00.such strong connections because of our communities here in the East

:57:00. > :57:05.Midlands - Uday, can we benefit from that? I think we can, but a

:57:05. > :57:10.lot of the arguments resonate with me. We need to shift the paradigm,

:57:10. > :57:19.to make that relationships from. What is the relationship around

:57:19. > :57:28.giving aid to institutions? Water, sanitation, everything else. We

:57:28. > :57:37.must also leverage more support. I think I would still like to see

:57:37. > :57:45.Bally for money for any money we spent. -- value for money. What

:57:45. > :57:52.kind of benefits would we get? International aid, and trade are

:57:52. > :58:00.very closely linked. I don't think we have been aggressive enough. I

:58:00. > :58:06.would like to see more upbeat manoeuvring from the government.

:58:06. > :58:16.John and Ashworth said he was concerned that we were -- Jon

:58:16. > :58:17.

:58:17. > :58:19.Ashworth said he was concerned we would lose influence? I think we

:58:19. > :58:22.would lose some respect. David Cameron obviously realises

:58:22. > :58:28.the importance of India's economic power for the UK - he's just been

:58:28. > :58:33.out there, but could we be doing more. It was a powerful statement

:58:33. > :58:36.of intent. By developing wealth, you develop trade, they are very

:58:36. > :58:46.closely linked. Can you separate aid and trade

:58:46. > :58:47.

:58:47. > :58:53.though? You can indeed, there are other ways, it's off to a,

:58:53. > :59:03.scholarships, ability to get visas, these have been on the agenda,

:59:03. > :59:07.

:59:08. > :59:15.there is a lot more we can do. We need to build relationships. There

:59:15. > :59:21.is a lot more to be done? We take a lot of Indian students to this

:59:21. > :59:27.country, they go back with some fine degrees. And he very much for

:59:27. > :59:30.coming in. Time for a quick look at some of

:59:30. > :59:37.the other political stories in the East Midlands this week - here's

:59:37. > :59:42.our Political Editor John Hess with the 60 second roundup. In so Brain,

:59:42. > :59:45.a politician of start to think about the council elections, the

:59:45. > :59:50.finance director has warned about whoever wins at the polls will have

:59:50. > :59:58.to make more big budget cuts. We need to be more efficient, we

:59:58. > :00:02.need to be more effective, and put your better goods and services.

:00:02. > :00:06.new �500 million train station for Elkstone has moved closer with

:00:06. > :00:12.approval for government funding. Campaigners are confident of

:00:12. > :00:17.securing the rest of the cash from a government fund. With the cold

:00:18. > :00:27.spell still fresh in our memories, the SNP has urged homeowners to

:00:27. > :00:32.warm up with a green deal. -- this MP. The cost is paid back in

:00:32. > :00:42.savings in fuel bills. The green deal will save energy, and create

:00:42. > :00:48.thousands of jobs. Looking forward to those council

:00:48. > :00:52.elections, what preparations are you making?

:00:52. > :00:56.I am looking forward to the results, because we are going to see the