:01:31. > :01:35.seatbelts for a transport special. First up, the case for HS2 and the
:01:35. > :01:39.people now fighting to save their homes.
:01:39. > :01:49.And get your cycling clips ready, as we look at the problems of getting
:01:49. > :01:49.
:01:49. > :38:44.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2215 seconds
:38:44. > :38:53.seatbelts for a transport special. First up, the case for HS2 and the
:38:53. > :39:03.people now fighting to save their homes. It is a shock, we know that
:39:03. > :39:12.
:39:12. > :39:15.they are going to go ahead with it whether we like it or not.
:39:15. > :39:19.And get your cycling clips ready, as we look at the problems of getting
:39:19. > :39:24.more of us onto our bikes.How do we make it safer? I broke my nose, I
:39:24. > :39:27.cut through my lip, I have 52 stitches. I knocked out 60 -- six
:39:27. > :39:30.teeth. My guests this week, the Derbyshire
:39:30. > :39:32.Dales MP and Secretary of State for Transport, Patrick McLoughlin and
:39:32. > :39:37.Nottingham South MP and Labour's shadow rail minister, Lilian
:39:37. > :39:40.Greenwood. We 'll come to transport issues shortly, but first of all,
:39:40. > :39:48.cigarettes: Lilian, what do you think is going on in government
:39:48. > :39:53.after it shelved its plan on Friday for plain packaging for cigarettes?
:39:53. > :39:58.I think it is incredibly disappointing. Tobacco smoking is
:39:58. > :40:02.the number one public health issue in this city. 1000 people in
:40:02. > :40:07.Nottingham will die in the next year as a result of smoking, and we need
:40:07. > :40:17.to stop young people from taking up smoking. It is about protecting
:40:17. > :40:17.
:40:17. > :40:19.children. Was the government lent on by the big tobacco interests?
:40:19. > :40:23.has been introduced in Australia, we'll see what the evidence is from
:40:23. > :40:27.there before we take a final decision. We have announced we're
:40:27. > :40:31.going to move forward with the fact you won't be able to display
:40:31. > :40:38.cigarettes in shops, as you can't at the moment in supermarkets, but we
:40:38. > :40:45.have taken measures to go forward. The position we are adopting is the
:40:45. > :40:50.same as the last government. Anna Soubry says she wants more time for
:40:50. > :40:56.consultation. Is that a good idea? While we are sitting around having
:40:56. > :40:59.more time for consultation, young people are continuing to take up
:40:59. > :41:02.smoking. They will develop ill-health or die as a result of
:41:02. > :41:07.that. I think the last Labour government took strong action to try
:41:07. > :41:12.to curb smoking because we know how dangerous it is. I think the rest of
:41:12. > :41:20.the world is looking at introducing these measures and it is wasteful.
:41:20. > :41:23.In principle, are you in favour of plain packaging? I would like to see
:41:23. > :41:31.how it works in Australia, whether it does have an impact. I supported
:41:31. > :41:38.the ban on smoking in public places, so it was a cross-party vote, I
:41:38. > :41:41.would like to see the evidence. Now, probably the biggest file in
:41:41. > :41:44.Patrick McLoughlin's intray is the one marked HS2 - judging by your
:41:44. > :41:47.tweets and emails to us, it's certainly a story that gets a
:41:47. > :41:51.massive reaction from you. In a moment the anti-HS2 campaign will be
:41:51. > :42:01.putting their case directly to the minister. But first Wesley Mallin
:42:01. > :42:05.looks at the winners, and losers, in this grand project. So, HS2,
:42:05. > :42:08.technology of the future, vital boost the economy a giant white
:42:08. > :42:15.elephant stampeding through the countryside gobbling up tens of
:42:15. > :42:21.billions of pounds of cash? That is certainly the view here in Long
:42:21. > :42:26.Eaton. HS2 would come right down this road, requiring levelling all
:42:26. > :42:32.of these houses. For residents around here, it is not so much not
:42:32. > :42:42.in my backyard as, not through my front room. Valerie he'd lived here
:42:42. > :42:49.for over 20 years. She will get the value of her home plus 10%. We will
:42:49. > :42:56.get �40,000 compensation for a �400,000 house. My stress is no more
:42:56. > :43:00.different than what their stresses. It is not just bricks and mortar, it
:43:00. > :43:05.might be to them but it is not when you have spent 26 years and you have
:43:05. > :43:10.good neighbours, an old lady next door, I look after her. She sees to
:43:10. > :43:17.me, I have family around here. I see to my mother who lives five streets
:43:17. > :43:22.away. I'm not to be able to afford new mortgage. But for every home
:43:22. > :43:28.being flattened up the track, there is a business waiting to cash in.
:43:28. > :43:31.For our particular content... Lee 's firm is met a lot of money
:43:31. > :43:40.out of the revamp and stands to make much more if it makes a successful
:43:40. > :43:43.raid on HS2. It is major opportunity. There are others along
:43:44. > :43:49.a pathway but clearly when it arrives, there is a competition for
:43:49. > :43:53.it. It is not guaranteed we will win it but given the scope of the work,
:43:53. > :44:00.it is clearly a major opportunity and something that will knock on in
:44:00. > :44:08.terms of employment. This man has seen all the oddments and comes down
:44:08. > :44:14.just in favour of the big-money project. -- arguments. However, we
:44:14. > :44:18.do have to be wary of the increasing costs, some of the media are hyping
:44:18. > :44:25.this up based on the fact that many projects have overrun in recent
:44:25. > :44:33.years. However the railway industry is getting better at delivering on
:44:33. > :44:36.time on budget. The rail industry might be getting better at sticking
:44:36. > :44:42.to budget, but the money is still coming from the public purse,
:44:42. > :44:48.appoint not lost on Valerie. My tax is paying me to have my own house
:44:48. > :44:50.pulled down. It'll be 20 years before we even see a high-speed
:44:50. > :45:00.train in the East Midlands and in the meantime, who knows what
:45:00. > :45:07.obstacles could end up in the way? We are joined from -- by Joe from
:45:07. > :45:11.the Stop HS2. The project is now estimated to cost �50 billion, those
:45:11. > :45:17.costs are bound to rise. Isn't the arguments about the money bound to
:45:17. > :45:23.diminish? When we had the second reading of the bill, I set out
:45:23. > :45:28.clearly what the figures were as to what I had been told. That included
:45:28. > :45:33.a large contingency. It may be below that contingency. That is what
:45:33. > :45:38.happened with the Olympic Games. That hasn't happened with big
:45:38. > :45:43.industrial projects before, though. But the Olympic Games came in below
:45:43. > :45:49.what the contingency was. I know that this is a big project. The fact
:45:49. > :45:55.is that 15 years ago, there were 750 million passenger journeys. Last
:45:55. > :45:58.year there was 1.5 Ilium. We are seeing more freight railways, more
:45:58. > :46:05.people using railways, there hasn't been a new railway line built north
:46:05. > :46:09.of London for 120 years. There surely a host of other projects you
:46:09. > :46:13.would like to see funded and surely the money that will be invested into
:46:13. > :46:23.HS2 could be better spent on some of those local project is? Isn't there
:46:23. > :46:26.a danger that this is an especially -- expensive mistake? There is a
:46:26. > :46:30.huge capacity crunch coming on our railways and rightly, the last
:46:30. > :46:35.Labour government looked at how we meet that demand for rail travel. We
:46:35. > :46:41.concluded the best way was to load a new north to south railway line. It
:46:41. > :46:47.can't happen in isolation. We still need of improvement in our transport
:46:47. > :46:53.networks. But if we are going to be ready for the talented of the future
:46:53. > :46:58.we had to have that capacity. you have the problem, surely, you
:46:58. > :47:02.have a coalition in favour. How can you stop it? That is the problem, we
:47:02. > :47:11.have a lot of politicians in favour but not paying attention to the
:47:11. > :47:19.plans. What is the point you put the Secretary of State? The Olympic
:47:19. > :47:21.budget, which budget we're talking about? It ended up as 10 billion. In
:47:21. > :47:26.reality you should look at the transport experts, the people from
:47:26. > :47:29.the rail industry who are now saying that you could deliver the capacity
:47:29. > :47:38.a lot cheaper, a lot quicker and benefiting a lot more people by
:47:38. > :47:46.investing... So your question is?I know you are doing other
:47:46. > :47:48.investments, but why are you not looking seriously at options like
:47:48. > :47:53.the rail package six, all of these things that could deliver the
:47:53. > :48:03.capacity quicker? On the West Coast Main line north of rugby, there was
:48:03. > :48:08.�10 billion spent on improving that line. Mostly on maintenance.It is a
:48:08. > :48:15.Victorian railway system. It takes a lot of repair. We spent 10 million,
:48:15. > :48:21.it does not improve capacity. We are spending �960 million on Redding
:48:21. > :48:28.Station to improve the capacity. We are spending money. What would you
:48:28. > :48:32.ask the shadow transport Minister? What I say to you is do you really
:48:32. > :48:35.want to be lumbered with this project, with God knows what costs
:48:35. > :48:42.it will end up with, at a time when we have a national debt that seems
:48:42. > :48:46.completely impossible to repay? think the point to be made is, how
:48:46. > :48:49.do we get the capacity we need on our railways? Of course the
:48:49. > :48:56.government need to be controlling costs, that is one of the issues we
:48:56. > :48:59.have been raising with Patrick and his fellow ministers. Are you
:48:59. > :49:06.against HS2 because of the route, or because you are against high-speed
:49:06. > :49:11.travel? I'm against this project and everyone within Stop HS2 is against
:49:11. > :49:13.this project specifically. A solution was devised that any
:49:13. > :49:20.attention being paid as to what was in the best interests of this
:49:20. > :49:27.country. We keep getting hit with the tag when people can defend the
:49:27. > :49:33.oddments be get put. You can't find an economist or an environment list
:49:33. > :49:38.for this. There are a number of people who are in favour of the
:49:38. > :49:40.argument. There is no big piece of infrastructure, no one would deny
:49:40. > :49:48.that HS2 is not a massive piece of infrastructure which is not
:49:48. > :49:55.controversial. Holding the M1 was controversial. -- building. Building
:49:55. > :50:02.the original railways was incredibly controversial. The sort of experts
:50:02. > :50:09.there were in those days, there were some people against them, of course.
:50:09. > :50:14.The academics are backing it, too. would say look at the evidence to
:50:14. > :50:20.the paving bill committee this week, absolutely convinced that it is not
:50:20. > :50:24.going to deliver the promises in terms of regional development. The
:50:24. > :50:30.one you really want to look at is Adam Mills, who was chair of
:50:30. > :50:32.Eurostar, he was saying that the figures were completely made up. He
:50:32. > :50:39.spent two years defending the indefensible and the whole case for
:50:39. > :50:43.HS2 is away with the fairies. have had a lot of response on e-mail
:50:43. > :50:52.and on twitter, many people both in the wide Midlands and in the
:50:52. > :50:56.Chilterns, these are Tory areas. Isn't this the problem you have got?
:50:56. > :50:59.Anyone who is going to be affected is going to be upset, obviously.
:50:59. > :51:03.That quite often the attack on the political classes in general is we
:51:03. > :51:07.don't look to the future. No one can say this is not something looking a
:51:07. > :51:11.long way to the future. We need those connections between our big
:51:11. > :51:17.cities. At the moment we are spending almost 20 billion on
:51:17. > :51:20.crossrail in London. The biggest construction site anywhere in Europe
:51:20. > :51:24.at the moment. We have got to also make sure we have the connections
:51:24. > :51:31.between our great cities, too. We don't want everything based just in
:51:31. > :51:36.the South. Thinking about some of the highly marginal seats in the
:51:36. > :51:43.Midlands, Erewash, for example, the only parties is to be against it is
:51:43. > :51:46.UKIP? We are in favour of building this high-speed rail line, it is
:51:46. > :51:50.important for generating jobs and growth for the future which people
:51:50. > :51:54.in those marginal seats want as much as they do in our cities. Of course
:51:54. > :51:57.we need to be sensitive to the views of those people, though. It is
:51:57. > :52:00.difficult and we need to get the compensation package right and the
:52:00. > :52:05.government have two address that because that is an issue that came
:52:05. > :52:12.through loud and clear when we took evidence on the paving committee.
:52:12. > :52:17.Where do you take the campaign now? We keep going to stop the multiple
:52:17. > :52:24.find out about it, the more people come out against. People say they
:52:24. > :52:27.were conned by the spin, then they bothered reading the evidence. I
:52:27. > :52:33.suggest more MPs actually read the evidence that shows it is just go to
:52:33. > :52:36.drag... Thank you very much. We will come back to this in years to come.
:52:36. > :52:45.Let's slow down the form of transport now from High Speed2 to
:52:45. > :52:48.just two wheels. When MPs return after the summer parliamentary
:52:48. > :52:52.break, one of the first things they'll be debating is how to get
:52:52. > :52:55.more people cycling. But it comes at a time when cycling deaths are on
:52:55. > :52:58.the rise. We've spoken to one Nottingham biking commuter who had
:52:58. > :53:04.an horrific accident. Here's his story, and just to warn you, you may
:53:04. > :53:09.find some of the pictures of his injuries disturbing. Hi, I am Chris.
:53:09. > :53:16.I'm a cyclist and I was involved in a pretty major cycling accident. The
:53:16. > :53:21.device which was holding my iPhone, to safely mounted on the handlebars,
:53:21. > :53:25.failed, dropping the phone into my front wheel. That stopped me at 30
:53:25. > :53:29.miles an hour, and I landed on my face. I broke my nose, cut through
:53:29. > :53:37.my top lip, and my bottom lip. I understand there are some 52
:53:37. > :53:40.stitches there, I knocked out six teeth. I broke my neck, my back, it
:53:40. > :53:47.has taken six months to start to rebuild me and I'm looking forward
:53:47. > :53:52.to having a bone graft to replace the bone, so they can screw implants
:53:52. > :53:57.into my bone, it will be a long recovery. I want to see what the
:53:57. > :54:02.government is doing to support cyclists generally. They do it more
:54:02. > :54:06.and more on the continent, in other countries, yes, we have schemes like
:54:06. > :54:10.cycling to work, how accessible it is that everybody in the community?
:54:10. > :54:16.How much testing is going into accessories we all use on a bike?
:54:16. > :54:22.How much is the government seriously looking at cycling? Cycle lanes are
:54:22. > :54:29.great but how many can we put into Nottingham and around the country?
:54:29. > :54:32.Only last week, the girl was killed in London on one of Boris 's bikes.
:54:32. > :54:36.Is that going to save everybody? When it comes to cycle helmets, I
:54:36. > :54:41.think people should use them, whether they make the law or not, I
:54:41. > :54:48.think the government should make a decision and say, these are the
:54:48. > :54:51.reasons why. At the end of the day my decision is, if you have an
:54:51. > :55:00.accident and hit your head, would you want to protect yours? I was
:55:00. > :55:06.wearing mine and that is what saved my life. It is public the best 50 or
:55:06. > :55:10.�60 I have spent in my life. -- probably. Despite my accident, I
:55:10. > :55:16.really want to get more people cycling. It is a healthy way to get
:55:16. > :55:23.to work. It is cost-effective and good preview and your back pocket.
:55:23. > :55:29.-- good for you. People need to ensure there is enough safety. It is
:55:29. > :55:33.also doing a fun bit of exercise. pretty gruesome story but he still
:55:33. > :55:40.wants people to get on their bikes, what can politicians do to make the
:55:40. > :55:43.roads safer? It was a terrible story but it is good he is saying people
:55:43. > :55:48.should get on their bikes. It is healthy and we want to encourage
:55:48. > :55:51.people. There is a lot politicians can do. We heard that a number of
:55:51. > :55:56.people have been injured on bikes recently, particularly associated
:55:56. > :56:01.with heavy goods vehicles. More could be done to ensure the safety
:56:01. > :56:07.of heavy goods vehicles, the safety equipment. The government should be
:56:07. > :56:13.doing more rather than that stating for longer heavy goods vehicles.
:56:13. > :56:16.What is your view on cycling, is it a priority? We all want to encourage
:56:16. > :56:22.cycling, we want to help make it safer. It is a long-term plan, there
:56:22. > :56:25.are a lot of things you can do in engineering of roads, it is a slow
:56:25. > :56:33.process because you have to take more account of the needs of
:56:33. > :56:40.cyclists. You have to take account of cycling deaths rising by 10%.
:56:40. > :56:46.acknowledge that, I made the point in the House of Commons. One of the
:56:46. > :56:50.elements of cycling was the rising death. But you scrapped road safety
:56:50. > :56:59.targets. It has been very much criticised by the Road safety
:56:59. > :57:02.industry. The overall fertility 's were down last year. -- fatalities.
:57:02. > :57:07.A lot of cyclists won't see it that way, they think they are under
:57:07. > :57:11.threat from Article eight of lorries and all sorts of things. When we are
:57:11. > :57:16.doing that, we are making money available to local authorities to be
:57:16. > :57:20.able to take those measures. I also want to see the money that George
:57:21. > :57:25.Osborne made available in the autumn statement, that we start engineering
:57:25. > :57:32.cycling into our future plans. Should the wearing of safety helmets
:57:32. > :57:37.be compulsory now? I encourage people to do it, I'm not sure we
:57:37. > :57:40.need a law, I think people should have the choice. I always wear a
:57:40. > :57:44.cycle helmet but I know that in other parts of the world where they
:57:44. > :57:49.have introduced compulsory helmets it has led to a reduction in the
:57:49. > :57:55.number of people cycling, and that isn't what we want. The evidence is,
:57:55. > :57:58.don't have a law but do encourage people. Chris was telling us in the
:57:58. > :58:01.film that he welcomes the government 's cycle to work scheme, this tax
:58:02. > :58:08.concession. Is that going to be further encouraged by the
:58:08. > :58:15.government? We will look at many measures, we are seeing schemes,
:58:15. > :58:24.putting money available for them, we will look at that. I still sure what
:58:24. > :58:26.the Labour policy is? -- not sure. With any new transport scheme, there
:58:26. > :58:31.should be a cycling safety assessment as part of that, to make
:58:31. > :58:35.sure it is safe. We think the proportion of the road but it should
:58:35. > :58:39.be used to improve cycling infrastructure, like looking at
:58:39. > :58:46.dangerous junctions. They should restore road safety targets and
:58:46. > :58:54.scrap the plan to have longer heavy goods vehicles, they need to improve
:58:54. > :58:57.the safety of HGVs. Are you a cyclist? I'm afraid not. I cycle
:58:58. > :59:01.every day to work. Time for a round-up of some of the
:59:01. > :59:11.other political stories in the East Midlands this week - in 60 seconds
:59:11. > :59:12.
:59:12. > :59:16.Council wants meetings broadcast on the Internet after what he said was
:59:16. > :59:21.shocking behaviour by the Labour opposition. He made the announcement
:59:21. > :59:26.after an unruly council meeting this month. The East Midlands has a third
:59:26. > :59:35.MP on Labour 's governing the, the National executive committee. John
:59:35. > :59:40.Ashwood joins Dennis Skinner and Margaret Beckett. The euro
:59:40. > :59:45.referendum has already happened in Derbyshire. On a tour of the Toyota
:59:45. > :59:53.plant, Nick Clegg asked for a show of hands. Should we remain in the
:59:53. > :59:59.European Union? Hands up who thinks we should go out of it? Only a
:59:59. > :00:06.handful they did to leave, and as he pointed out, perhaps not surprising
:00:06. > :00:14.in a company that exports 85% of its cars to mainland Europe. -- voted to
:00:14. > :00:21.leave. We may see more of this straw
:00:21. > :00:25.polls. In or out, in the EU? We saw that the Toyota workers understand
:00:25. > :00:28.the importance of knowing what is happening, and they want people to
:00:28. > :00:34.invest in the UK, they want the certainty of knowing we are part of
:00:34. > :00:43.it. I figure we need to stay in. Renegotiation, better deal for the
:00:43. > :00:53.United Kingdom, and in. That is my line. We are heading for the summer
:00:53. > :00:55.
:00:55. > :01:00.recess. Plans for the months ahead? In the nobles stacked away? I have
:01:00. > :01:03.several which I'm forward to reading. The job of Secretary of
:01:03. > :01:09.state means you are still on duty throughout summary says months, but
:01:09. > :01:19.I am making my West Italy through the official biography of Margaret
:01:19. > :01:19.