:00:20. > :01:45.With me are a trio of top political commentators. All three will be
:01:45. > :01:48.tweeting their thoughts, or in some cases just their thought through the
:01:48. > :01:55.show, using the hashtag #bbcsp. cases just their thought through the
:01:55. > :02:02.Conservative Party conference gets afternoon. We have already been
:02:02. > :02:06.bombarded with a series of policy announcements, a tax break for
:02:06. > :02:10.married couples of up to £200 per year, more money on life extending
:02:10. > :02:13.cancer treatments and, last night, the news that the second stage of
:02:13. > :02:19.the Chancellor's Help To Buy scheme brought forward from the start of
:02:19. > :02:24.next year. David Cameron says it is all about helping hard-working
:02:24. > :02:33.people. Right now, you can't get, 95% mortgage. That means a typical
:02:33. > :02:34.family with two people earning 20,000, 25,000, they are being
:02:34. > :02:43.asked, to buy an average house, 20,000, 25,000, they are being
:02:43. > :02:46.mortgage payment, but they can't get the mortgage. They can't buy their
:02:46. > :02:50.flat or house. As Prime Minister, I'm not going to stand back while
:02:51. > :02:52.people's aspirations to get on the housing ladder, to own their own
:02:52. > :02:58.flat or home, is being trashed. housing ladder, to own their own
:02:58. > :03:02.is why we need to act. A predictable attempt by party leadership to
:03:02. > :03:05.kick-start the conference with eye-catching policies. The polls
:03:05. > :03:10.show a big bounce for Ed Miliband and the Labour Party, with decent
:03:10. > :03:26.numbers for UKIP. What do party councillors as they travel to their
:03:26. > :03:36.For the Conservatives this weekend, conference, and as a scene setter we
:03:36. > :03:43.asked ComRes to survey councillors are Finland and Wales. Councillors
:03:43. > :03:45.asked ComRes to survey councillors like Tom, packing for conference at
:03:46. > :03:48.home in Wellingborough. Immigration is an issue for him. He thinks there
:03:48. > :03:55.are pros and cons. But we found is an issue for him. He thinks there
:03:55. > :04:02.immigration has had a negative reflects into this wider issue of
:04:02. > :04:08.our relationship with Europe. People possible influx of ovarian and
:04:08. > :04:18.Romania emigrants. Obviously the issue of Europe is very big. --
:04:18. > :04:23.Ukrainian. His colleagues in Corby are worried about the rise of the UK
:04:23. > :04:26.Independence Party. In our survey, nearly a quarter of Conservative
:04:26. > :04:31.councillors thought that their party should make a pact with UKIP. The
:04:31. > :04:40.concern is, yes, will they take If that happens, maybe we don't
:04:40. > :04:43.concern is, yes, will they take back in. Maybe a partnership is
:04:43. > :04:50.concern is, yes, will they take way to go. It depends what they
:04:50. > :04:50.concern is, yes, will they take talking about them. A pact? Depends
:04:50. > :05:06.what they say, anything is possible. What would you like to see? Ideally,
:05:06. > :05:11.from my point of view, a national pact. David Cameron arrived in
:05:11. > :05:14.Manchester last night. Around the same time as these activists from
:05:14. > :05:23.London. I broke the news to them that in our survey just 26% of Tory
:05:23. > :05:29.councillors think that the prime ministers in touch with the lives of
:05:29. > :05:32.ordinary people. The same at all Conservatives, you don't judge
:05:32. > :05:34.people by their background. It's not where they come from, it is where
:05:34. > :05:38.they are going to. It is not a where they come from, it is where
:05:38. > :05:40.problem that he is a bit on the where they come from, it is where
:05:40. > :05:44.side? Cull you might describe him like that, I would not use those
:05:44. > :05:49.side? Cull you might describe him words. Explain your T-shirt, it
:05:49. > :05:54.side? Cull you might describe him phrase that a senior Cameron person
:05:55. > :05:58.is alleged to have used about you? It is a humorous way of letting
:05:58. > :06:01.is alleged to have used about you? party now that we are here to say
:06:01. > :06:06.important. We are not going away any time soon. A sentiment you will
:06:06. > :06:08.important. We are not going away any a lot at this conference, because
:06:08. > :06:12.just 22% of councillors in our survey said that David Cameron was
:06:12. > :06:18.any good at listening to the people that work hard for his party. That
:06:19. > :06:24.was Adam. Joining me now from the Conservative Party conference in
:06:24. > :06:33.William Hague. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. Good morning. Over one in
:06:33. > :06:36.five Tory councillors in our survey support a pact with UKIP at the
:06:36. > :06:39.five Tory councillors in our survey election. Why do you think that
:06:39. > :06:41.five Tory councillors in our survey If it is one in five, it means a
:06:41. > :06:46.large majority did not want a pact with UKIP at the next election.
:06:46. > :06:47.large majority did not want a pact have noticed that UKIP, in local
:06:47. > :06:50.elections, has been receiving votes, some of which would otherwise have
:06:50. > :06:58.been for the Conservatives. I think we have to make sure that people
:06:58. > :07:00.election they are choosing between a Conservative and Labour Government,
:07:00. > :07:01.as David Cameron as Prime Minister or Ed Miliband. If people want to
:07:01. > :07:07.get a referendum on Europe, the or Ed Miliband. If people want to
:07:07. > :07:12.Cameron as Prime Minister. I think a Cameron as Prime Minister. I think a
:07:12. > :07:15.general election is different from the local government perspective. It
:07:15. > :07:20.is pretty unusual, some might say unprecedented, for a large chunk of
:07:20. > :07:23.one of the big parties in this country to want to go into coalition
:07:23. > :07:31.one of the big parties in this with a smaller party before an
:07:31. > :07:36.happened? Looking at your survey, three times as many didn't want
:07:36. > :07:38.happened? Looking at your survey, with statistics, you can highlight
:07:38. > :07:42.it whichever way around you want to. The point is, we are not having
:07:43. > :07:49.pacts with other parties, electoral pacts with other parties. You rule
:07:49. > :07:52.it out? That is not going to happen. What we do want is to have a pact
:07:52. > :07:56.it out? That is not going to happen. with the voters, if you like, as we
:07:56. > :08:00.have often done in the Conservative Party. We have won over the voters
:08:00. > :08:02.of other parties to support our policies and Prime Minister. That is
:08:02. > :08:08.default, they would produce a Labour important with those people that
:08:08. > :08:09.default, they would produce a Labour government in the exact opposite of
:08:09. > :08:14.many of the things they intend, government in the exact opposite of
:08:14. > :08:16.Conservative and decide to vote government in the exact opposite of
:08:16. > :08:18.UKIP instead in a general election. That could help to produce a Labour
:08:18. > :08:25.government. The chairman of the That could help to produce a Labour
:08:25. > :08:31.committee, the elected voice of Conservative backbenchers, he says
:08:31. > :08:35.your party should spell out what had once back from the European Union
:08:35. > :08:43.before next year's European actions. Do you agree? We will be spelling
:08:43. > :08:47.out some things in the European elections. I will be talking about
:08:48. > :08:58.this later on today. For instance, European treaties the concept of
:08:58. > :09:03.ever closer union, a concept that in believed in. We would like that
:09:03. > :09:06.ever closer union, a concept that in consequences that would flow from
:09:06. > :09:09.that. We will be setting out the examples and principles of the
:09:09. > :09:14.changes we want to say. Certainly over the next year, not only before
:09:14. > :09:16.the European actions but the general election, if you are saying, let
:09:16. > :09:22.have the exact list of anything election, if you are saying, let
:09:22. > :09:24.negotiate, that is difficult because there will be a negotiation of a new
:09:24. > :09:29.deal in Europe if David Cameron there will be a negotiation of a new
:09:29. > :09:37.election. To some extent, that has to be negotiated. Only 11% of your
:09:37. > :09:40.own councillors feel that people in their area think that George Osborne
:09:40. > :09:50.is in touch with ordinary people. is not for me to explain why people
:09:50. > :09:55.say what they say in surveys. The important thing is what we are
:09:55. > :10:00.delivering for the country. What George Osborne is delivering his
:10:00. > :10:05.renewed economic growth. 1.4 million new jobs in the private sector,
:10:05. > :10:06.renewed economic growth. 1.4 million for hard-working people, by reducing
:10:06. > :10:09.the tax for 25 million of them. for hard-working people, by reducing
:10:09. > :10:14.Help To Buy scheme that we are highlighting today. That is what
:10:14. > :10:19.really matters to people, actually, I think you will find. Let's talk
:10:19. > :10:25.about helping ordinary people. Ed Miliband is guilty freeze energy
:10:25. > :10:29.prices. What are you going to do about energy prices, we already
:10:29. > :10:42.asked energy companies to put people on their lowest tariffs. This has
:10:42. > :10:48.not been amended. -- implemented. Why not? This is going to happen
:10:48. > :10:55.within this government. It is going to happen within this government
:10:56. > :11:00.when the... Why hasn't it happened now? People are suffering now from
:11:00. > :11:05.rising energy prices. It has not happened because my colleagues have
:11:05. > :11:08.been implimenting it. In the case of Ed Miliband's policy, if you are
:11:08. > :11:13.asking why it has not yet happened under this Government, it didn't
:11:13. > :11:17.even survive a few our's scrutiny in opposition. In a few hours he had to
:11:17. > :11:19.concede that if there was a big change in oil prices then the policy
:11:19. > :11:23.would not work. The trouble is, change in oil prices then the policy
:11:23. > :11:30.would dry up some of the investment in the energy industry. I don't
:11:30. > :11:33.think it is a credible promise. in the energy industry. I don't
:11:33. > :11:40.tax bills doubling in the next a party that presided over council
:11:40. > :11:46.tax bills doubling in the next government, -- last government,
:11:46. > :11:48.tax bills doubling in the next not very credible. Why is George
:11:48. > :11:52.Osborne going against the European Well, we don't want to see the
:11:52. > :11:56.European treaties used in a way Well, we don't want to see the
:11:56. > :12:01.they should not be used. It's not necessarily over this particular
:12:01. > :12:05.issue. It is over the power that the European Union has over our lives
:12:05. > :12:08.and over this country. Can the bankers look after themselves? We
:12:08. > :12:12.should be able to decide those things in our own country. We have
:12:12. > :12:18.never signed up to such matters things in our own country. We have
:12:18. > :12:21.European institutions. If you allow one thing that wasn't meant to be
:12:21. > :12:25.decided to be decided, you find one thing that wasn't meant to be
:12:25. > :12:26.there are another ten or 20 things that affect many other people. We
:12:26. > :12:32.are very vigilant about what we that affect many other people. We
:12:32. > :12:36.competence creep, with the European Union taking more powers than it was
:12:36. > :12:41.meant to have. That is one of the referendum, do want a new deal in
:12:41. > :12:51.Europe. That is what we intend to institution, ICAP, fined for fixing
:12:51. > :12:56.the LIBOR rates. The founder of institution, ICAP, fined for fixing
:12:56. > :13:00.company has donated £5 million to your party. Shouldn't you give it
:13:00. > :13:08.back? Aren't you ashamed to accept that money? He has donated his own
:13:08. > :13:10.Which he made out of ICAP. As people have to other parties, people are
:13:10. > :13:13.free to do that and they should have to other parties, people are
:13:13. > :13:16.free to do that. I am not aware have to other parties, people are
:13:16. > :13:21.any plan for that to be repaid. Because you can't afford to. Let's
:13:21. > :13:25.recap this. We have seen Tory MPs parrot propaganda lines from the
:13:26. > :13:29.energy companies this week. We have the Chancellor going to court to
:13:29. > :13:33.fight for unlimited banker bonuses. We have a top Tory donor the centre
:13:33. > :13:35.fight for unlimited banker bonuses. of yet another city scandal. Ed
:13:36. > :13:39.Miliband is right when he says you lot are on the side of the vested
:13:39. > :13:47.interests so the rich and powerful, isn't he? Well, again, look at the
:13:47. > :13:52.record. I just did! 1.4 million extra jobs in the private sector, 25
:13:53. > :13:56.million people with a tax cut, a Help To Buy scheme which is going to
:13:56. > :14:03.help so many people, particularly young people have the house that
:14:03. > :14:08.future. Council tax bills held down, welfare reform so that it pays to
:14:08. > :14:11.work. Actually, this is a government achieving things for hard-working
:14:11. > :14:32.While President Laugharne he's talking about peace, the Iranians
:14:32. > :14:37.weapons programme. -- is talking. It would be hard to say from week
:14:37. > :14:45.to week whether it is speeding up continuing with it. That is why
:14:45. > :14:48.to week whether it is speeding up say the new message - the new words
:14:48. > :14:52.- from Iranian leadership are very welcome. I said that to the Foreign
:14:52. > :14:57.Minister in New York over the last few days but it is the actions that
:14:57. > :15:03.will count. At the moment, the nuclear programme continues. We
:15:04. > :15:07.negotiations on that and that will be a very important test as to
:15:07. > :15:12.whether actions will match the words. When will we know it if we
:15:12. > :15:17.are being strung along? He has strung as a long in the past as
:15:17. > :15:20.are being strung along? He has nuclear weapons negotiator. When
:15:20. > :15:24.will we know if he is not just doing that again? Over the next
:15:24. > :15:27.will we know if he is not just weeks, it will be a very important
:15:27. > :15:34.time. He has said there should be more transparency over the Iranian
:15:34. > :15:40.transparent in many regards at the moment. The atomic agency is asking
:15:40. > :15:47.for information that is not being given. One test is, in the coming
:15:47. > :15:51.information? The information that the international of authority is
:15:51. > :15:55.asking for about their nuclear programme. We will be able to form
:15:55. > :16:00.a view of this in the coming weeks or months. It is important we test
:16:01. > :16:09.their new willingness to talk to us important to find out whether they
:16:09. > :16:15.asking, is the nuclear programme really continuing? Are they really
:16:15. > :16:22.negotiations and offer something Speaking of being strung along,
:16:22. > :16:31.what sanctions would President Assad face if, in six months - the
:16:31. > :16:36.Year, Syria still has a chemical weapons arsenal. In the resolution
:16:36. > :16:44.we voted through the UN Security Council on Friday night, is the
:16:44. > :16:50.Council will take measures under Chapter seven of the UN Charter
:16:50. > :16:53.Council will take measures under the event of non-compliance. Does
:16:53. > :17:00.that allow full force? I did not catch that. Does that allow for
:17:00. > :17:05.Security Council resolution about Iraq, which most people concluded
:17:05. > :17:13.in not allow full force. It does not specify that. It talks about
:17:13. > :17:18.terms seven of the charter. That is a message of the whole UN Security
:17:18. > :17:24.Council that there will be measures - there will be consequences - if
:17:24. > :17:33.the Assad regime does not comply. has a big commitment. I have spent
:17:33. > :17:38.counterpart over the last week. Russia has said, this is something
:17:38. > :17:43.you will have to do. We will work with Russia and others very closely
:17:43. > :17:49.to check there is compliance will this resolution. Given the progress
:17:49. > :17:53.that has been made, you must be very glad that the British House of
:17:53. > :18:08.Commons stopped your rash to force against Syria. -- rush. The reason
:18:08. > :18:14.credible threat of military action. has happened is because there was a
:18:14. > :18:14.credible threat of military action. President Obama did not get it
:18:14. > :18:20.through Congress. They have not President Obama did not get it
:18:21. > :18:25.the vote in Congress. There is no other explanation as to why the
:18:25. > :18:30.policy changed. It was because there was a debate about military
:18:30. > :18:35.action in the West that the policy changed on theirs. That is why it
:18:35. > :18:40.changed. We were not in a rush for military action. The boat put to
:18:40. > :18:50.the House of Commons was to have inspectors reported. It was before
:18:50. > :19:02.Russian and Syrian policy changed. We need to make sure that works
:19:02. > :19:05.Russian and Syrian policy changed. practice. Thank you. What do you
:19:05. > :19:09.make about this rushing forward with the help to buy scheme which
:19:09. > :19:14.was meant to start next year - coming forward mad to the next
:19:14. > :19:28.couple of weeks? I think it is a Government having an interest in
:19:28. > :19:33.mortgage lending. -- there is a fundamental problem. It should have
:19:33. > :19:38.been set much lower to exclude London and the South East where
:19:38. > :19:44.houses are dramatically overvalued. Many economists think freezing
:19:44. > :19:49.energy prices is a terrible policy. These policies can be popular. If
:19:49. > :19:59.you have no chance of getting a deposit, the Government will make
:19:59. > :20:04.Osborne tried every single lever. It looked like he could not do
:20:04. > :20:11.anything to get the economy moving. It is moving. They have pulled it
:20:11. > :20:14.forward and there are signs it is recovering. The reason why they
:20:14. > :20:17.forward and there are signs it is doing this is they want to show
:20:17. > :20:21.this week at the conference there are real sort of understandable
:20:21. > :20:25.issues you can explain very simply that really up going to improve
:20:26. > :20:35.people's lives. The Conservatives Miliband's speech last week. The
:20:35. > :20:49.nuts. Much more cautious and -- language about the energy price
:20:49. > :20:54.freeze. They are nervous that Ed Miliband may be touching a nerve on
:20:54. > :21:02.that one. What we will get this week, I suggest, his Tory populism
:21:02. > :21:04.to counter Miliband populism. I think we will see that and it will
:21:04. > :21:10.be a mistake. As long as it is think we will see that and it will
:21:10. > :21:18.about The Picture, they are on relatively strong ground. When the
:21:18. > :21:20.political conversation changes to more fiddly things, particularities
:21:20. > :21:26.standards, things that are some more fiddly things, particularities
:21:26. > :21:31.below that picture, I do not think they can win a bidding war with
:21:31. > :21:31.below that picture, I do not think Labour Party. It is about borrowing
:21:31. > :21:43.against a party that stands for Labour Party. It is about borrowing
:21:43. > :21:48.before the Labour conference, which is unemployment, GDP growth and
:21:48. > :21:54.before the Labour conference, which warming economic picture. That does
:21:54. > :22:00.not pay energy bills. Does not sound that the Tories have anything
:22:00. > :22:02.not pay energy bills. Does not to counter the price freeze. --
:22:02. > :22:04.not pay energy bills. Does not does not sound. They have had a
:22:04. > :22:09.week to think about a great attack line and they do not add anything.
:22:09. > :22:32.the credibility test. Ed Miliband said, if there were a big spike
:22:32. > :22:33.the credibility test. Ed Miliband energy prices, he would not be able
:22:33. > :22:52.it is about credibility. Being seen more than any burst of popularity.
:22:52. > :23:01.with the election campaign, it My worry about the announcement
:23:01. > :23:06.with the election campaign, it begins to lose credibility, begins
:23:06. > :23:12.to seem a banana republic. It looks a lot less wise than it did last
:23:12. > :23:14.week. I disagree. Every time energy bills go up and they will continue
:23:14. > :23:18.to go up, it will be a reminder bills go up and they will continue
:23:19. > :23:24.how much people are being hit in the pockets. People know by energy
:23:24. > :23:28.prices are going up. There is a structural change in the world that
:23:28. > :23:33.was not there before - China and India. These energy companies may
:23:33. > :23:40.be making huge profit but, at the end of the day, what is driving
:23:40. > :23:42.be making huge profit but, at the the cost of fuel is China and India.
:23:42. > :23:47.Ed Miliband, great man that he is, I am not sure he can take on the
:23:47. > :23:56.people Sammir on that one. How dare Labour's Conference in Brighton
:23:56. > :23:59.last week. Dogged by criticism over the summer of his leadership style
:23:59. > :24:02.and lack of policies, Mr Miliband tried to demonstrate his strength
:24:02. > :24:05.of character with a series of bold announcements, and attempted to
:24:05. > :24:11.position himself on the side of ordinary Brits. The Labour leader
:24:11. > :24:13.told party members he would stand up to the strong and take on the
:24:13. > :24:17.vested interests that hold back up to the strong and take on the
:24:17. > :24:21.economy. In a speech in which he jokingly referred to himself as
:24:21. > :24:22.economy. In a speech in which he action hero, Mr Miliband promised
:24:22. > :24:26.to switch the forthcoming business action hero, Mr Miliband promised
:24:26. > :24:30.tax cut from large firms to smaller businesses. He said he would force
:24:30. > :24:35.big firms to train at an apprentice every time they bring in a worker
:24:35. > :24:40.from outside the EU. He hinted that increasing the minimum wage would
:24:40. > :24:47.be increased. He bowed to take on developers with a use it or lose it
:24:47. > :24:52.threat to landowners and pledged to build 200,000 homes each year by
:24:52. > :24:57.2020. He promised to freeze energy prices and reset the energy market.
:24:57. > :25:06.The next Labour government will freeze gas and electricity prices
:25:06. > :25:12.provoked a rash of headlines - hailing the return of red Ed macro.
:25:12. > :25:15.It has also given him a spike in the polls. And Labour's Shadow
:25:15. > :25:33.Ed Miliband says, our energy market is broken and does not work. In
:25:34. > :25:42.what way is that market to date different from the one Labour left
:25:43. > :25:53.companies that dominate the energy generate energy, and sell it on
:25:54. > :25:55.companies that dominate the energy Miliband recognised when he was
:25:55. > :25:59.Secretary of State and asked for more information from the company
:25:59. > :26:01.Secretary of State and asked for is on hold serve costs and profits,
:26:01. > :26:05.all the things we have done to mitigate against that in terms of a
:26:05. > :26:13.warm front programme and everything Horsell market is too secretive
:26:13. > :26:16.warm front programme and everything it is too much about such supply. -
:26:16. > :26:18.- the wholesale market. We have been raising with the Government in
:26:18. > :26:25.a co-operative way the argument been raising with the Government in
:26:25. > :26:31.resetting the market. It has got worse in terms of speed at which
:26:32. > :26:34.prices have gone up. Labour put wholesale and retail together. It
:26:34. > :26:40.was the start this dates back to wholesale and retail together. It
:26:40. > :26:40.was the start this dates back to privatisation. We took some reforms
:26:40. > :26:48.realised it was not working and privatisation. We took some reforms
:26:48. > :26:50.was broken and we need to reset privatisation. We took some reforms
:26:50. > :26:55.Ed Miliband will be the first to onwards. Let's have a look at what
:26:55. > :26:59.happened to energy prices under onwards. Let's have a look at what
:26:59. > :27:08.Labour government. Electricity up 67%, gas up 139%. Overall prices up
:27:08. > :27:14.by 48%. The market was broken and we saw prices biking as wholesale
:27:14. > :27:21.prices went up. The tick action we saw prices biking as wholesale
:27:21. > :27:31.the one Front programme, decent homes for social housing. -- we
:27:31. > :27:35.programme. Trying to do things around social obligations needs
:27:35. > :27:43.programme. Trying to do things be looked at. Gas and electricity
:27:43. > :27:46.presided over but as a consequence of Labour policy. Beds have a look
:27:46. > :27:52.at the breakdown of dual fuel - of Labour policy. Beds have a look
:27:52. > :27:59.and electricity bill. -- let's have a look. The supply costs of getting
:27:59. > :28:11.it to us and so on. The policies government - Green levies - are
:28:11. > :28:24.energy bills. £112 on average bill of 1188. You have put the bill up.
:28:24. > :28:29.obligations amount to £112. That helps the poorest insulate homes.
:28:29. > :28:36.Overwhelmingly, looking at your wholesale costs are worth more than
:28:36. > :28:43.half. What we have seen, based on figures we now have, in Eni macro,
:28:43. > :28:52.a wholesale costs fell by 39% and that was not reflected in our bills.
:28:52. > :28:57.Do you have plans to do anything about the £112? If you took that
:28:57. > :29:02.off, you could cut bills by 10% tomorrow. Or if you were in power.
:29:02. > :29:12.It is important that restimulate energy. It -- we stimulate. If we
:29:12. > :29:17.do not have clean energy, we will be beholden for ever-more to fossil
:29:17. > :29:20.do not have clean energy, we will fuels that are depleting. It will
:29:20. > :29:30.create jobs and bring in investment will start in the last few years,
:29:30. > :29:37.investment. If I could go back to whatever advance there are, looking
:29:38. > :29:41.at whether the money raised through energy companies to deliver energy
:29:41. > :29:46.efficiency, is that doing as well as it might? Could it be better
:29:46. > :29:53.delivered by another agency? They are fair questions. We need to get
:29:53. > :29:57.market. Can we make the market will competitive make sure when there is
:29:57. > :30:02.downward pressure on wholesale prices, that is reflected on our
:30:02. > :30:04.bills? That is the bigger picture argument. Also the freeze to help
:30:04. > :30:17.As you complain about the energy prices, it was as a result of your
:30:17. > :30:20.actions. Ed Miliband introduced prices, it was as a result of your
:30:21. > :30:27.climate change act. He admitted prices would have to rise to pay for
:30:27. > :30:30.decarbonisation. He said, we are going to minimise the costs as much
:30:30. > :30:35.as possible, but it is true there is not a low-cost energy future out
:30:35. > :30:38.there. It is important that we address the pressures on bills,
:30:38. > :30:40.there. It is important that we also recognise that if we are going
:30:40. > :30:48.to build a better future where we can have more home-grown British
:30:48. > :30:59.renewables. Truth is it is about the market. I acknowledge I acknowledge
:30:59. > :31:08.wholesale prices have fallen. They fell in 2009, we got a reduction in
:31:08. > :31:13.bills of 5%. Which are saying that the big companies are overcharging
:31:13. > :31:16.customers. We are seeing profits going up, but we haven't seen the
:31:16. > :31:24.amount of investment suggested by those profits coming through. But
:31:24. > :31:27.because your leader said in his speech in Brighton that Labour will
:31:27. > :31:31.have a world leading commitment speech in Brighton that Labour will
:31:31. > :31:35.Government to take out all carbon from energy generation by 2030.
:31:35. > :31:37.Government to take out all carbon is not that far away. By 2030, no
:31:37. > :31:42.more coal generation, no more gas generation, only much more expensive
:31:42. > :31:51.nuclear and much more expensive without bills going up even further?
:31:51. > :31:55.Hang on a second. The 2030 target to remove carbon from the electricity
:31:55. > :31:59.supply, we have said we should set a target now because, actually, it
:31:59. > :32:02.gives us more time to plan ahead and also allows investment to come in.
:32:02. > :32:06.There is plenty of people with cash in their pockets not want to invest
:32:06. > :32:09.what they are stalling because of the Government's hesitancy over
:32:09. > :32:14.this. I just want a clarification here. My understanding is that your
:32:14. > :32:19.commitment is to get rid of all carbon from power generation by
:32:19. > :32:23.2030? From the letters city supply. Only electricity. We will still
:32:23. > :32:27.2030? From the letters city supply. gas? We have always said we will
:32:27. > :32:37.need gas for decades to come. So we are clear for that. But you will be
:32:37. > :32:41.increasingly dependent on expensive nuclear. EDF are currently demanding
:32:41. > :32:48.twice the market price to build plans in this country. Renewables
:32:48. > :32:55.are two or three times the market price. Bills are going up under
:32:55. > :32:56.are two or three times the market policies? On nuclear, we took a
:32:56. > :33:00.decision under the Labour Government that we needed to revitalise the
:33:00. > :33:05.sector, to hit targets on clean that we needed to revitalise the
:33:05. > :33:08.energy and make sure it can do the heavy lifting. The Government at the
:33:08. > :33:14.discussions with EDF about what heavy lifting. The Government at the
:33:14. > :33:16.important, because I don't know heavy lifting. The Government at the
:33:16. > :33:19.it's going to be, it is important that stands up to scrutiny in terms
:33:20. > :33:26.of value for money. At the same time, I go back to market reforms.
:33:26. > :33:32.difference, the jargon for nuclear, We will not just have a target for
:33:32. > :33:35.difference, the jargon for nuclear, we will have it for renewables as
:33:35. > :33:36.well. That is even more important, that we have a transparent market so
:33:36. > :33:42.that we can have a robust target that we have a transparent market so
:33:42. > :33:43.that we can have a robust target price to be judged against. Michael
:33:44. > :33:56.Gove recognised in question time they used the term cosy cartel.
:33:56. > :33:58.Gove recognised in question time Cameron saying something needs to be
:33:58. > :34:04.done. I'm surprised David Cameron doesn't acknowledge that. You are
:34:04. > :34:08.going to freeze prices for 20 months regulator to replace Ofgem. Will
:34:08. > :34:11.that regulator have the power to regulator to replace Ofgem. Will
:34:11. > :34:19.control prices? The new energy wholesale costs and prices, which it
:34:19. > :34:28.moment. As a result of that it will wholesale costs and prices, which it
:34:28. > :34:35.wholesale prices fall, it can force the energy companies, if they don't,
:34:35. > :34:38.to pass on reductions in bills to consumers. It will not have what we
:34:38. > :34:43.see in some parts of the European Union, 15 of them, that have a
:34:43. > :34:45.variety of price controls that set things at below inflation and what
:34:45. > :34:50.have you. France, Spain, Italy. things at below inflation and what
:34:50. > :34:54.will not do that. Why? Because we are looking at a temporary price
:34:54. > :35:00.freeze to reflect a reduction in are looking at a temporary price
:35:00. > :35:05.British public respite from ever reforms into the market. At the
:35:05. > :35:07.British public respite from ever of this, what we want is a more
:35:07. > :35:12.competitive market that can be trusted, that is more transparent.
:35:12. > :35:16.We do believe it is right that, actually, we need a regulator that
:35:16. > :35:19.has much more of a role in making effectively. Are you accusing energy
:35:19. > :35:29.companies of profiteering? EU I effectively. Are you accusing energy
:35:29. > :35:31.accusing them of overcharging and not passing on wholesale reduction
:35:31. > :35:41.costs to the customer in a fair not passing on wholesale reduction
:35:42. > :35:48.Of making Carter -- cartel profits? I do believe that the level of
:35:48. > :35:51.profits they have passed on to their shareholders is high, compared to
:35:51. > :35:52.the reductions they could have provided to consumers. Let's look at
:35:53. > :35:59.the evidence for that. Here are provided to consumers. Let's look at
:35:59. > :36:01.British owned companies, SSE and Centrica. In the last fiscal year
:36:01. > :36:10.they made combined earnings of Centrica. In the last fiscal year
:36:10. > :36:15.billion. The remaining money went to debt servicing and paying dividends,
:36:15. > :36:20.which go into pension funds. Where profiteering? My figures that I
:36:20. > :36:28.which go into pension funds. Where through their reporting to Ofgem and
:36:28. > :36:30.work done by other organisations, Witch and others, it shows that
:36:30. > :36:35.work done by other organisations, Centrica's case they have something
:36:35. > :36:39.like 8% return in profit margins on the retail side. That goes up to 24%
:36:39. > :36:45.on the generation side. They have passed on, in terms of profits,
:36:45. > :36:47.something I70 4% through evidence to shareholders. But these figures
:36:47. > :36:57.don't show that. They have invested £3 billion. I am reporting what
:36:57. > :37:01.don't show that. They have invested been reported by Ofgem. Ofgem has
:37:01. > :37:03.They may well be, but we don't have the evidence. I would accuse Ofgem
:37:03. > :37:06.of not doing the job they should be of not doing the job they should be
:37:06. > :37:16.doing, and they have held back from across the big six, something like
:37:16. > :37:22.dividends to shareholders. In Centrica's case it is 74%. On the
:37:22. > :37:28.Centrica example, even though they have had the highest profit margins,
:37:28. > :37:34.they have invested the least. It is fair to question. We are running out
:37:34. > :37:39.of time. None of us really know what the true price of energy is that is
:37:39. > :37:42.Labour's policy to reform his crucial. That is because he merged
:37:43. > :37:46.the market and we can't tell the difference. If they continue putting
:37:46. > :37:51.prices up, even after your price freeze, if they don't invest in a
:37:51. > :37:54.way that they do, do you rule out wholesale nationalisation?
:37:54. > :37:59.Absolutely. I want a more competitive market and that is why
:37:59. > :38:02.we are resetting it. You are watching Sunday Politics. Coming up
:38:02. > :38:04.in just over 20 minutes I will be looking at the week ahead with our
:38:04. > :38:18.In the East Midlands, can Europe political panel
:38:18. > :38:22.In the East Midlands, can Europe help us to fight online abuse of our
:38:22. > :38:26.children and we asked the premise of the big question, is he really a
:38:26. > :38:31.cross between John Wayne and Alan Partridge? You do describe as a lots
:38:31. > :38:36.of things in this job, I hope I'm a bit more John Wayne than Alan
:38:36. > :38:42.Partridge. My guess this week are two East Midland MEPs, Emma Clarke a
:38:42. > :38:51.Conservative, and Dennis Wilcock, a Labour voice. We are discussing ways
:38:51. > :38:55.in which the party can win more votes. It is a debate being held by
:38:55. > :38:58.the Loughborough Conservative MP Vicky Morgan who say that women in
:38:58. > :39:02.the party needs to be more assertive when it comes to the rising Wallasey
:39:02. > :39:07.and with two guests in the studio today, it is a good time to talk
:39:07. > :39:11.about women in politics. Cosmic does Nicky Morgan have a point?
:39:11. > :39:14.Absolutely, she is a great role model herself and we need to see
:39:14. > :39:19.more women in decision—making roles in political life and that is
:39:19. > :39:23.definitely why I wanted to be elected as a young woman to prove
:39:23. > :39:28.they could be done and will hopefully inspire others. Guinea to
:39:28. > :39:32.make your voice heard? You certainly do, it is not always easy but you
:39:32. > :39:39.need to do that. We have only got only four Cabinet ministers are out
:39:39. > :39:44.of 23 and that is not a good example. You are saying things have
:39:44. > :39:54.not improved? Aye not as much. Bodice putting women off —— what is
:39:54. > :40:00.putting women off? I think it is the traditional roles, the women at home
:40:00. > :40:03.looking after the family, and the man is doing something else, washing
:40:03. > :40:08.and ironing, cooking and cleaning while he is doing politics. We go
:40:08. > :40:16.home and have to do all of that as well, we need to prove it can be
:40:16. > :40:21.done. Do you watch together as women across party boundaries? It depends
:40:21. > :40:26.on the subject. We have different political views but where we can
:40:26. > :40:31.work together, we do. Together we want to see more women in politics.
:40:31. > :40:34.In the European Parliament it is better for women. We have 35% women
:40:34. > :40:43.MEPs which is higher than Westminster. What are they doing
:40:43. > :40:47.write there? Westminster is a bearpit and European politics is
:40:47. > :40:51.about consensus and cooperation. That is something that women can do
:40:51. > :40:58.very well. It is less macho? Absolutely. The Prime Minister has
:40:58. > :41:02.been speaking about job losses and house—building in the East Midlands
:41:02. > :41:07.in an interview with John has, he spoke of the 1600 job losses
:41:07. > :41:12.announced at Derbyshire county council this week. He began by
:41:12. > :41:16.discussing plans of house—building. On the issue of housing, the Housing
:41:16. > :41:20.Federation says the East Midlands is only building 45% of the homes that
:41:21. > :41:24.the region needs. It supported Ed Miliband's badge for 200,000 homes
:41:24. > :41:31.by the end of a Labour government and already we are hearing from
:41:31. > :41:36.Conservative MPs in marginal seats saying not in my backyard. Where is
:41:36. > :41:41.this going to be sorted out? We are sorting it out, we are a reforming
:41:41. > :41:47.the priming system —— planning system. We are introducing a help to
:41:47. > :41:50.buy scheme so mortgages are unlocked for people that need to buy a house
:41:50. > :41:55.or move home who can't get a mortgage. The economy is recovering
:41:55. > :42:01.and that helps the housing market. These problems are being addressed.
:42:01. > :42:05.Are your MPs in those seats right to put up opposition to new housing
:42:05. > :42:08.development? People are right to say that this needs to be determined
:42:08. > :42:12.locally and planning authorities should make decisions. My view is
:42:13. > :42:16.that when you trust local councils what you find is that if they are
:42:16. > :42:19.given the choice, they do build the houses but they try to make sure
:42:19. > :42:23.they are building a way that people support. That is what we are putting
:42:23. > :42:29.in place and I am confident we will get the housing we need. On
:42:29. > :42:33.government cuts, this is the Derbyshire Times headline this week,
:42:33. > :42:36.we have not known anything like this since the great depression.
:42:36. > :42:41.Derbyshire are saying that 1600 jobs need to go, unprecedented cuts, that
:42:41. > :42:45.is not coming from the Labour leader, that is coming from the
:42:45. > :42:51.chief executive. They are trying to play a blame game. Everyone watching
:42:51. > :42:54.the programme knows we have a budget deficit and we cannot be beyond our
:42:54. > :42:57.means, we have had to make cuts, cuts in central and local
:42:57. > :43:02.government, when you look at the cuts that they are being asked to
:43:02. > :43:06.make, they are relatively modest. They can be done. I would praise
:43:06. > :43:09.local councils for what they have done so far to make efficiencies
:43:09. > :43:13.without hitting front line services. They can go on doing that. You will
:43:13. > :43:18.be aware that the leader of Leicestershire Nick Rushton has met
:43:18. > :43:23.with Conservative MPs say that his authorities cannot take any more
:43:23. > :43:25.cuts. I don't accept that, local councils has shown that they can
:43:25. > :43:29.find efficiencies, the pay freeze we are put in place has made sure that
:43:29. > :43:33.we are keeping people in work, we are providing good services, it is
:43:33. > :43:38.of course difficult, the extra cuts that are being asked for our
:43:38. > :43:47.moderate —— modest. 2.3%. It is not impossible. One of the MPs described
:43:47. > :43:52.you as a disturbing cocktail of Alan Partridge and John Wayne. Yellow mac
:43:52. > :43:54.you get the scrubbers a lot of things in the job. I hope I'm a bit
:43:54. > :44:06.mode John Wayne that Alan Partridge. We could not help but wonder but
:44:06. > :44:16.wonder what that mix would look like. That is what he looks like. I
:44:16. > :44:28.was a bit scary? It is very scary. I can see Alan Partridge. He did take
:44:28. > :44:32.it well. The reason why I made that comment is because I am fed up of
:44:32. > :44:35.him making one, in Brussels and something else at home. It is time
:44:35. > :44:43.to have transparency. Emma, David Cameron was asked about job losses
:44:43. > :44:50.by L political addict 's so that everybody was basing the having to
:44:50. > :44:58.make cuts. Some of the cuts made in the East Midlands are savage.
:44:58. > :45:07.Councils have difficult decisions to take right now and they need to find
:45:08. > :45:12.ways to make those cost savings. The previous administration had put in
:45:12. > :45:18.place very, very. You make it sound so easy. It is the change in
:45:18. > :45:28.administration. They have overspent by 10.5 billion. USA team made the
:45:28. > :45:38.situation worse. What do you think Linus? I think it is difficult. The
:45:38. > :45:43.amount of money that councils are getting is being cut. Some leaders
:45:43. > :45:46.in councils are asking where they should cut. Prices are going up and
:45:46. > :45:52.wages are going down, it is not easy. David Cameron is talking about
:45:52. > :46:01.housing, he wants more housing which is something that Labour has pledged
:46:01. > :46:08.as well. We have got dozens of disputes going off here. People do
:46:08. > :46:12.need houses and it is up to the local councils to determine the
:46:12. > :46:16.planning regulations, I think people can come to a compromise, there are
:46:16. > :46:19.many young people, desperate for housing for wanting to get onto the
:46:19. > :46:27.housing ladder, we need to build houses. We are absolutely desperate
:46:27. > :46:35.for them. You are both European MPs. The European —— do it is like
:46:35. > :46:43.housing have an impact on the work that you do? You would be amazed
:46:43. > :46:52.about the people that write to us about all different issues. We
:46:52. > :47:01.always keep L I only region. That has a European angle and how we are
:47:01. > :47:04.developing. How we have greatly and will develop jobs. And how we can
:47:04. > :47:17.develop houses. And have the infrastructure to support them. What
:47:17. > :47:28.about you? I have been pushing for a youth club —— youth job guarantee,
:47:28. > :47:33.it is something that we have pursued since last year. We have got a fund
:47:33. > :47:36.to help young people into a job. We see the devastation that
:47:36. > :47:48.unemployment causes. Does the rest of Europe have arguments like that?
:47:48. > :47:59.We have a region as Europe to see how Europe is developing. Will this
:47:59. > :48:04.affect your chances next election? Everything with the political angle
:48:04. > :48:08.has an impact but we need to commit to voters ourselves but we have the
:48:08. > :48:10.right line with European policy. You can understand that people are
:48:10. > :48:13.worried about how things are affecting them. How old is affecting
:48:13. > :48:17.their family. There is a strong anti—European sentiment coming out
:48:17. > :48:21.of the UK from UKIP and the Conservative party, how does it go
:48:21. > :48:24.down in Brussels? The matter we have got their attention in the UK, we
:48:24. > :48:26.have strong feelings about our relationship with the European
:48:26. > :48:29.Union. I think it is absolutely right that we stop and take stock of
:48:29. > :48:31.where we are. I want all those decisions that Guiness was talking
:48:31. > :48:34.about to be taking here in the UK and as local as possible. That is
:48:34. > :48:36.the problem with Brussels, it wants to take more powers and
:48:36. > :48:39.decision—making away to Brussels and further away from the people. Some
:48:39. > :48:42.of the Conservative MPs said it were to leave Europe, what do you say?
:48:42. > :48:45.That Britain decide. David Cameron has promised us a referendum on our
:48:45. > :48:48.future relationship with the European Union and that is what we
:48:48. > :48:51.need. David Cameron is clear that it is in Britain's interest to remain
:48:51. > :48:54.in Europe. If we have a debate, let's have a debate on the facts
:48:54. > :48:56.rather than the rhetoric that we here. Quite often what we hear from
:48:56. > :48:59.UKIP and from some of the Conservative party is not actually
:48:59. > :49:03.factual. What Halifax? If you look at the government website every
:49:03. > :49:07.family in this country that every family is 1102 £3500 better off each
:49:07. > :49:10.year because we are part of Europe, you don't hear that from the
:49:10. > :49:13.Conservative party. Why not? We are paying in 13 billion to be part of
:49:13. > :49:16.the European Union, the British people do not feel they are getting
:49:16. > :49:18.their money 's work and we are a more net contributor then we receive
:49:18. > :49:21.benefits from the European Union. People want to feel they are in
:49:21. > :49:22.control of their destiny and everyday DC the European
:49:23. > :49:27.decision—making creeping into everyday lives, they do not like it.
:49:27. > :49:30.That is nonsense. On the government website, it is not me saying that,
:49:30. > :49:36.that is the government figures, every family is £1100 better at
:49:36. > :49:44.least every year. That is a lot of money to lose. The conference season
:49:44. > :49:53.is well and do —— underway. Last week it was Labour. John has spent
:49:53. > :49:57.the week there. He sent us a postcard of how the East Midlands
:49:57. > :50:01.has fared in Brighton. When a big party conference suites
:50:01. > :50:05.into town, is just the politicians that want to make way. Others want
:50:05. > :50:10.to grab your attention to, sometimes that requires a bit of a sweetener.
:50:10. > :50:15.A bowl suites to tempt Labour delegates inside the conference
:50:15. > :50:20.centre the font from —— the Montford University has a stand in the
:50:20. > :50:26.exhibition call and that is unusual. We see ourselves as a
:50:26. > :50:30.forward—thinking university, we have a square mile that we are proud of
:50:30. > :50:33.which we share our work with the divinity and we want profile that
:50:33. > :50:37.and we want to be opinion formers and tell them of the work we are
:50:37. > :50:42.doing. Stress busting toys are on offer here and that is a must for
:50:42. > :50:46.some delegates. This organisation advises councils on improving local
:50:46. > :50:53.services and its chairman is a senior nodding City Councillor.
:50:53. > :50:57.Looking at work with environmental energy and solar panels. There is a
:50:57. > :51:01.great deal of influence that we can bring from Nottingham and
:51:01. > :51:15.experience. You are enjoying it? Yes. You will find no greybeards
:51:15. > :51:20.here, young Labour candidates. It is the first conference on many of
:51:20. > :51:23.them. I met Ed Miliband at one of the conference reception is the
:51:23. > :51:30.other day, I was happy to medium, hopefully he will be a next
:51:30. > :51:37.reminiscent. Inside the hall itself, even in old conference held
:51:37. > :51:42.struggled. Keith chairing a morning session. A union delegate wanted a
:51:42. > :51:47.debate on rail safety and plenty derail the morning agenda. Thank you
:51:47. > :51:50.for making it an easy start for me chairing the session this morning.
:51:50. > :51:56.It has taken me about ten years to get here. You have made it
:51:56. > :52:00.worthwhile. I am grateful. They could take much longer for high
:52:00. > :52:02.speed to derive —— to arrive in the East Midlands after the shadow
:52:02. > :52:11.chancellor warned about rising costs. Whether it is the best way to
:52:12. > :52:16.spend £50 billion. Has led a fall out of love with the high—speed
:52:16. > :52:24.project? We think there is a strong case for a new North, South line,
:52:24. > :52:27.but ministers have mismanaged the project and got cost to God to £51
:52:27. > :52:32.billion. It cannot be a blank cheque on the project. After a few sunny
:52:32. > :52:38.days in Brighton, it is time for the Conservatives in Manchester. Is
:52:38. > :52:42.there a beach nearby? John will be providing us with his
:52:42. > :52:47.insights from Manchester next week. With that conference, you are a
:52:47. > :52:54.chairing a debate Emma on online abuse. That is a big issue here.
:52:54. > :53:02.When a child is sexually abused, it affects them for life. When they are
:53:02. > :53:06.filmed or photographed being sexually abused, it leaves them
:53:06. > :53:08.feeling exploited. That is eight charity called the Internet watch
:53:08. > :53:12.foundation which is fighting the exploitation of children on the
:53:12. > :53:19.Internet. Emma is hosting a fringe debate on taking European stance
:53:19. > :53:24.against child abuse. It is something I feel passionate about and I hope I
:53:24. > :53:27.can raise the profile of this issue that we have with child protection.
:53:27. > :53:32.We need to stop our children being exploited online, we need to stop
:53:32. > :53:35.this illegal content from being available through the Internet and
:53:35. > :53:40.we need to tackle that. We are doing that here in the UK but we need to
:53:40. > :53:42.tackle this because it is a borderless problem because the
:53:43. > :53:50.Internet is borderless. What are you hoping to achieve? We need to raise
:53:50. > :53:57.the priorities for government is not only in the UK where we are doing
:53:57. > :54:00.that but also recognise that this is a global problem that we need to
:54:00. > :54:04.work together with people in other countries in the European Union, but
:54:04. > :54:09.wider in America, in Africa, in India where all of the children are
:54:09. > :54:13.being abused, and it is being recycled through the Internet. How
:54:13. > :54:19.important could Europe beyond this, how much of a help could Europe be?
:54:19. > :54:23.Any sides in Europe are taken down, of course, you may have a country
:54:23. > :54:27.like Russia or the US that are hosting the websites, that makes it
:54:27. > :54:32.difficult. I rated Theresa May in March asking her to sign the
:54:32. > :54:39.Lanzarote Convention which is about international cooperation so that
:54:39. > :54:42.sex offenders could be prosecuted no matter where they are offending. You
:54:42. > :54:49.can have someone from Britain go to another country and go for sex
:54:49. > :54:52.offending and they come back and not the prosecuted and will not be on
:54:52. > :54:58.the sex offender list. That is wrong. What reply did you get?
:54:58. > :55:04.Womack it was noncommittal. We need more protection for children, it
:55:04. > :55:08.doesn't matter where children are. We should be able to prosecute sex
:55:08. > :55:13.offenders. Is one of the problems of the vulnerable people is that so
:55:13. > :55:16.many countries speak English, so a lot of children in the country are
:55:16. > :55:23.being targeted from all over the world? These images are shared
:55:23. > :55:27.globally when they are available, we need to make sure that we are
:55:27. > :55:31.collecting the information. People are not reporting. We need to make
:55:31. > :55:34.sure that people report that they stumble upon these images. They can
:55:35. > :55:38.do that anonymously, through the Internet watch foundation outline.
:55:38. > :55:43.They will share the information if it is a UK website hosting that.
:55:43. > :55:48.They will shut down in 60 minutes. If it is an international one, they
:55:48. > :55:52.will pass that information to law enforcement. This is where we need
:55:52. > :55:57.to have a global alliance, there is a —— an agreement in place to tackle
:55:57. > :56:02.this globally. How prevalent is this? How big is the problem? Is a
:56:02. > :56:05.big problem and Labour MEPs have been arguing that we should be able
:56:05. > :56:10.to block the site in the European level. We should be able to block
:56:10. > :56:13.the site whether it is Russia or America, it is controversial, people
:56:13. > :56:18.do not like that. It is something that we must seriously look at. What
:56:18. > :56:19.do other countries do about online child abuse. How do they deal with
:56:19. > :56:27.the issue? Some are not as double —— developed
:56:27. > :56:30.as others, in African countries, I hosted a conference on the European
:56:30. > :56:34.Parliament to tackle the problem and they say they do not have the
:56:34. > :56:38.facilities to run the hotline is that you do. They are sharing the
:56:38. > :56:41.best practice of the UK of how we collect information, how we use it
:56:41. > :56:45.to shut down these websites, how we can use it to lock these websites.
:56:45. > :56:50.We must have every tool available to us to do so and we are leading the
:56:50. > :56:53.way in this but we need to help these other countries get on board
:56:53. > :56:59.and make sure they are using the full force of law.
:56:59. > :57:05.How was your view all of this, do they think we are obsessed? Is
:57:05. > :57:13.illegal across Europe, it any sites are taken down. Unimpeded as a
:57:13. > :57:21.problem there, it is about the sites from other countries. That is what
:57:21. > :57:27.we should be pursuing. It sounds like European cooperation is key
:57:27. > :57:32.here. I am glad to hear that Glenys and her Labour MPs are supporting
:57:32. > :57:40.this. Other elements of the group that you represented not vote to
:57:40. > :57:47.allow blocking the European use of children in sexual exploitation.
:57:47. > :57:50.Other countries in Europe. There are people from certain countries across
:57:50. > :57:56.a political spectrum that do not want it. That is because a past
:57:56. > :58:02.history and things like that. They feel that it is impinging on
:58:02. > :58:05.people's freedoms. I don't think that is correct. I think the
:58:05. > :58:11.majority of my group do not agree with that. There are people from all
:58:11. > :58:18.political spectrum is that feel that way. Particularly the French. Nobody
:58:18. > :58:22.can believe that they will not use every single tool that they have
:58:22. > :58:31.possible to stop these images from being circulated. It astounds me. We
:58:31. > :58:35.need to work together. Is also linked to the human trafficking
:58:35. > :58:38.issue. We need to have strong legislation in place to prevent all
:58:38. > :58:45.these things and we are very keen that we block these sites. A lot of
:58:45. > :58:56.interest in your debate. Time for a round—up of the other political
:58:56. > :59:00.stories in the East Midlands. Bin collections are causing a bit of
:59:00. > :59:08.a stink this week on a conservative led North West council is asking to
:59:08. > :59:15.charge people to have their bins collected. In Derby, the Tories have
:59:15. > :59:20.found a scrap for a bin charge where people will be forced to hand out
:59:20. > :59:25.next April if they take the next election. In Leicestershire there is
:59:25. > :59:31.the end of October to bid for a share of £100,000 grant and a
:59:31. > :59:33.bruised —— boosting the economy. The first round supported a range of
:59:33. > :59:39.initiatives including children was like farm and a cider company.
:59:39. > :59:46.Nottinghamshire county council has been chosen as a Lib Dem candidate
:59:46. > :59:57.for Parliament. Jason who was born and brought up in Ashfield will take
:59:57. > :00:06.on Labour's candidate. Gloria der Pierro. What else do you have coming
:00:06. > :00:11.up in Europe that we need to know about? I have a busy time
:00:11. > :00:17.negotiating with governments to try and make it more streamlined, easier
:00:17. > :00:21.and quicker to obtain trials for people with cancer. It is very
:00:21. > :00:30.important. I have got months of negotiations will stop good luck.
:00:30. > :00:33.What about you, Emma? We have a big vote coming up in October. There is
:00:33. > :00:38.a mouthful. Within it, there is a piece of legislation that has an
:00:38. > :00:43.alert mechanism so that as someone has been struck off for now
:00:43. > :00:48.practised in one —— malpractice in one country they will also be
:00:48. > :00:51.alerted in this country. You have of course have an election next May?
:00:51. > :00:58.Heavey started campaigning? Absolutely. It goes so quick. All of
:00:58. > :01:01.a sudden you will know it is there. We are ahead for this campaign. It
:01:01. > :01:06.will be a interesting campaign. We are ahead for this campaign. It
:01:06. > :01:19.and Emily Thornberry. Back to you, Andrew.
:01:19. > :01:25.So, we'll David Cameron's marriage tax break win over voters? How will
:01:25. > :01:36.So, we'll David Cameron's marriage conference initiatives? And what is
:01:36. > :01:41.UKIP leader Nigel FarageFarage up to with the Tories in Manchester?
:01:41. > :01:56.On this business of a possible Tory- UKIP pact, in a general election,
:01:56. > :02:02.let's see what David Cameron had to say about that earlier. I am not
:02:02. > :02:05.looking for a packed. I think we need to give people a clear choice
:02:05. > :02:09.at the general election. The British economy has turned a corner. We
:02:09. > :02:12.at the general election. The British on the right track, we are seeing
:02:12. > :02:15.more jobs, new businesses, we are beginning to get things moving
:02:15. > :02:20.again. Do you want to stick with us, hard-working people, or do you want
:02:20. > :02:25.to put it at risk with Ed Miliband hard-working people, or do you want
:02:25. > :02:32.and his crazy plans to tax business out of existence? That was the Prime
:02:32. > :02:39.there any appetite on the UKIP side discussions around the country,
:02:39. > :02:50.there any appetite on the UKIP side would say no. It's being discussed,
:02:50. > :02:53.is the media that is pushing this. It has reflected what has happened
:02:53. > :02:59.conference season began. Labour It has reflected what has happened
:02:59. > :03:05.trying to reclaim what I would call position. I'm not sure what the
:03:05. > :03:11.Liberal Democrats or two, but the Conservatives are trying to react to
:03:11. > :03:16.accusation they are lurching more to the right, which the media wants to
:03:16. > :03:20.able to do some sort of pact with interpret as them possibly being
:03:20. > :03:26.able to do some sort of pact with UKIP. Have you given any thought to
:03:26. > :03:33.whatsoever. It is not on the radar. I have read comments, including
:03:33. > :03:39.Carswell, the Eurosceptics, that they might form a potential, let's
:03:39. > :03:43.call it, you know, cabinet. If there were UKIP members, I don't doubt
:03:43. > :03:46.that Nigel Farage would be one of them. But I would reiterate it is
:03:46. > :03:54.not discussions that are taking place. I am thinking more of an
:03:54. > :03:58.have responded to that by saying, the moment, there are no ongoing
:03:58. > :04:05.discussions. There is certainly constituency level or coming out of
:04:05. > :04:14.believe any constituencies are Eurosceptics? I am not privy to
:04:14. > :04:17.believe any constituencies are all 360 constituencies might be
:04:17. > :04:22.discussing. All I can do is give you the example of the few I have seen
:04:22. > :04:24.and know it is not on the agenda. Without a pact, it is perfectly
:04:24. > :04:29.possible that you could fail to Without a pact, it is perfectly
:04:29. > :04:34.a single seat at the next election, but put Ed Miliband into Downing
:04:34. > :04:36.Street? Categorically not. There are a number of seats out there that are
:04:36. > :04:53.very clear marginals, just like a number of seats out there that are
:04:53. > :04:58.Izzard was. I believe there could be an MP -- just like Eastleigh was. If
:04:58. > :05:02.you take enough votes away from an MP -- just like Eastleigh was. If
:05:02. > :05:07.Tories, if you make sure that Labour wins? I will go back to the comment
:05:07. > :05:12.I made. If you take Eastleigh as an example, a Liberal Democrat held
:05:12. > :05:17.seat, even after that result, does not mean that UKIP is suddenly going
:05:17. > :05:21.to be focusing on Tory seats. We are out there because people resonate
:05:21. > :05:24.with our message. For the Liberal Democrats to make it abundantly
:05:24. > :05:27.clear that they will not support a referendum, that they will not
:05:27. > :05:31.support any discussion on leaving the queue, that could be a big
:05:31. > :05:33.turn-off for voters. David Cameron says there is not going to be a
:05:33. > :05:37.pact, Diane James says there is says there is not going to be a
:05:37. > :05:39.going to be one. There might be says there is not going to be a
:05:39. > :05:41.or at a constituency level. But says there is not going to be a
:05:41. > :05:46.seems clear to me that there will not be a national one. So, does
:05:46. > :05:49.David Cameron have a UKIP strategy? The only encouraging thing for
:05:49. > :05:51.UKIP's successful David Cameron that the moment that he would only
:05:51. > :05:55.that their support is so enormous that the moment that he would only
:05:55. > :05:58.really need to win back maybe a third or a quarter of its to make a
:05:58. > :06:02.decisive difference to the Tory share of the vote in 2015. The
:06:02. > :06:07.question becomes, how much of that UKIP support is up for grabs? A
:06:07. > :06:09.question becomes, how much of that last week suggested that 47% of
:06:09. > :06:13.current UKIP voters would consider voting Tory if it meant preventing
:06:13. > :06:19.Ed Miliband becoming Prime Minister. That number goes up to 57% against
:06:19. > :06:25.recovery. So, plausibly, there is secondary question is, what does
:06:25. > :06:29.David Cameron do to win over those people? He has tried a Europe will
:06:29. > :06:33.referendum and it didn't work. He tried travelling up his immigration
:06:33. > :06:38.policy and that didn't work. I wonder if it is time. You wait until
:06:38. > :06:44.the run-up to 2015, when they start to focus on the explicit choice
:06:44. > :06:52.Cameron, and that is what shifts a Cameron. We heard from William Hague
:06:52. > :06:56.earlier in the programme, the Tory line is that if you vote UKIP you
:06:56. > :07:01.could end up with Ed Miliband in Downing Street. That is the simple
:07:01. > :07:08.appeal, isn't it? Yes, and I think Diane is right, I think the European
:07:08. > :07:12.elections will show a good showing for UKIP. It is deemed the one where
:07:12. > :07:14.you can play away. I think it will be hard for people to get excited
:07:14. > :07:20.about that, I think that bounce be hard for people to get excited
:07:20. > :07:26.fade away. In Eastleigh, they had a good ground game, that is difficult
:07:26. > :07:28.for UKIP, that don't have that machinery sorted. How are they going
:07:28. > :07:33.to fund that operation? But the machinery sorted. How are they going
:07:33. > :07:39.bounce could fade away after the European elections. Even if they go
:07:39. > :07:43.election, they are still immensely dangerous to the Conservative Party.
:07:43. > :07:47.But there is really only two things David Cameron can do. One is to
:07:47. > :07:49.But there is really only two things boring and talk about helping people
:07:49. > :07:54.with their mortgage, helping with bread and butter issues. The second
:07:54. > :07:57.thing is, those European actions, he tends to the natural Conservative
:07:57. > :07:59.voters and says, you have had your fun, next year do you want me or Ed
:07:59. > :08:03.Miliband us your prime and? The fun, next year do you want me or Ed
:08:03. > :08:07.danger with David Cameron is saying, of course, there is not going to be
:08:07. > :08:13.a pact, the danger is you will get a repeat of the 1977 election. John
:08:13. > :08:19.Major said, famously, do not bind my hands. A series of Conservative
:08:19. > :08:24.personally rule out membership of the euro, when the Conservative
:08:24. > :08:25.membership was wait and see. That looked like a Prime Minister not in
:08:25. > :08:32.charge of his party. The danger looked like a Prime Minister not in
:08:32. > :08:34.Let's assume you do really well looked like a Prime Minister not in
:08:34. > :08:41.the European actions and there is a widespread expectation that you
:08:41. > :08:45.will, even in Downing Street. They might be managing expectations.
:08:45. > :08:47.will, even in Downing Street. They stops you fading away as the general
:08:47. > :08:50.election approaches? A number of reasons. As has been mentioned,
:08:50. > :08:52.election approaches? A number of whole issue of the referendum pledge
:08:52. > :08:59.has been proved to be an absolute nonsense. It is so contingent on if
:08:59. > :09:07.I am re-elected, if it's not a coalition government, is, if, if.
:09:07. > :09:08.That was fooled nobody. The issue of where voters are coming from, it is
:09:08. > :09:12.because they have lost faith in where voters are coming from, it is
:09:12. > :09:19.David Cameron says. There is nothing he is going to say that is convince
:09:19. > :09:29.think that is my view and the view of a lot of UKIP. I am told that
:09:29. > :09:33.the fringes? It is a great scoop, on the front page. They are outside the
:09:33. > :09:38.ring of steel. Even so, they won't programme, so they must be worried
:09:38. > :09:43.paid money for adverts in the Tory about something. His people have
:09:43. > :09:43.paid money for adverts in the Tory brochure and his name has been taken
:09:43. > :09:48.out. Speaking of people the Tory brochure and his name has been taken
:09:48. > :09:53.leadership is worried about, Boris Johnson, are we in any doubt as
:09:53. > :09:59.leadership is worried about, Boris interview that he is now beginning
:09:59. > :10:01.his long march back to Parliament? He does express feeling slightly sad
:10:01. > :10:04.during the Syria debate that he He does express feeling slightly sad
:10:04. > :10:10.not there, on the political front line to participate. I still do
:10:10. > :10:14.not there, on the political front see why it is in his interest is to
:10:14. > :10:17.move before 2015. No, I don't think he will move before, I think he
:10:17. > :10:17.move before 2015. No, I don't think sending a signal to the existing
:10:17. > :10:29.Tories in the Commons that when sending a signal to the existing
:10:29. > :10:33.Me Dave goes, I will be back? He has the Vince Cable problem, if you
:10:33. > :10:36.Me Dave goes, I will be back? He has the same thing too many times,
:10:36. > :10:40.people get bored and factor it in. The interesting thing is him saying
:10:40. > :10:45.that people have seven years before the electorate get bored of them. He
:10:45. > :10:48.might be cresting that. He doesn't want to be Prime Minister, he is
:10:48. > :10:56.much more ambitious than that. He wants to be an emperor. He was
:10:56. > :11:02.asked, which Roman emperor would you like to be compared to? You said,
:11:02. > :11:09.important. I don't think you are thinking big enough. See what I
:11:09. > :11:09.important. I don't think you are to put up with, every Sunday? By
:11:09. > :11:14.virtue of being born in the US, to put up with, every Sunday? By
:11:14. > :11:24.could be president. Unlike Arnold Schwarzenegger. How about a deal
:11:24. > :11:27.with Boris? He has made no secret, after Eastleigh, that he would be
:11:27. > :11:31.open to a discussion. Let's call it no more than a discussion. He has
:11:31. > :11:36.been adamant, however, he does not see any reason, any justification or
:11:36. > :11:42.any opportunity where he would be able to have that discourse with
:11:42. > :11:45.any opportunity where he would be David Cameron. Maybe it comes down
:11:45. > :11:49.to that on both sides. I've no idea. We know that the Tories will be
:11:49. > :11:52.to that on both sides. I've no idea. more Eurosceptic after the next
:11:52. > :11:56.election? I can't imagine David Cameron's successor will be somebody
:11:56. > :12:04.that supports EU membership in ideological direction of the party.
:12:04. > :12:05.The leadership contest will be about 2018. If you are standing, when
:12:05. > :12:12.this is a great deal for Britain membership, are you going to say
:12:12. > :12:14.this is a great deal for Britain because the Prime Minister has
:12:15. > :12:17.turned to leave rapid change two words in the working Time directive,
:12:17. > :12:20.turned to leave rapid change two or are you going to become a leader
:12:20. > :12:32.by saying, I want out? What would be a good conference for David Cameron
:12:32. > :12:36.eye-catching announcement related to living standards. May be a clearer
:12:36. > :12:41.line on energy prices? That would certainly help, that fightback has
:12:41. > :12:44.been rubbish so far. The thing we should be looking out for are not
:12:44. > :12:48.the polls immediately after, but the ones about the end of October, when
:12:48. > :12:53.everything gets to settle down and then we will see what happens. In a
:12:53. > :12:57.word, what is Nigel Farage out to get at the Tory conference? What is
:12:57. > :13:05.he doing, other than mischief? I could almost say revenge. Revenge on
:13:05. > :13:11.Mr Cameron? Yes. You know? Lord Ashcroft was there at the Labour
:13:11. > :13:15.conference. You call it mischief, but there is every reason why he
:13:15. > :13:19.should be there. We all call it mischief. Thanks for being with
:13:19. > :13:22.should be there. We all call it Join me on Daily Politics for live
:13:22. > :13:26.coverage of the Conservative Party conference tomorrow morning from
:13:26. > :13:30.11:30 on BBC Two. We will bring conference tomorrow morning from
:13:30. > :13:34.George Osborne's speech live and uninterrupted. I'll be back next
:13:34. > :13:35.weekend when guests will include former Conservative Chancellor
:13:35. > :13:38.Kenneth Clarke. Remember, if it former Conservative Chancellor
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