:00:36. > :00:41.Just two months to go until Scotland decides if it should stay
:00:42. > :00:44.As the campaign heads for the final furlong,
:00:45. > :00:48.what are the issues and arguments that will determine the result?
:00:49. > :00:52.The SNP's deputy leader Nicola Sturgeon joins me live.
:00:53. > :00:55.David Cameron's scheduled a major cabinet reshuffle on Tuesday.
:00:56. > :00:57.Many of those tipped for promotion are women.
:00:58. > :01:01.So have efforts to promote diversity in public life barely started or
:01:02. > :01:11.And don't know whether to support Germany or
:01:12. > :01:17.And in the East Midlands: political guide to the World Cup.
:01:18. > :01:20.An MP calls for an inquiry into allegations of abuse
:01:21. > :01:37.Plus the fight to save dozens of libraries threatened with closure.
:01:38. > :01:40.It's World Cup final day and as usual the BBC's snagged the
:01:41. > :01:45.Yes, eat your heart out, ITV, because for top football analysis
:01:46. > :01:49.we've got Gary Lineker, Alan Hansen, and Alan Shearer.
:01:50. > :01:51.And for top political analysis you may
:01:52. > :01:55.as well tune in to them too because all we could come up with is Nick
:01:56. > :02:05.David Cameron will reshuffle his cabinet on Tuesday.
:02:06. > :02:08.The Sunday papers are full of stories telling us who'll be
:02:09. > :02:10.in and who'll be out, though they don't really know.
:02:11. > :02:13.The Mail on Sunday has one of the more eye-catching lines,
:02:14. > :02:15.reporting that former defence secretary and right-winger Liam Fox
:02:16. > :02:19.is in line for a return to the political front line.
:02:20. > :02:26.But there's general agreement that women will do well and some
:02:27. > :02:29.of the old men in suits guard will do badly.
:02:30. > :02:39.Here's senior Tory backbencher David Davis speaking to this programme.
:02:40. > :02:45.It's good to make parliament more representative.
:02:46. > :02:48.But you've got to do it in a way that doesn't create
:02:49. > :02:52.injustices, and you can't put people in a job who can't do the job.
:02:53. > :03:00.And I've seen that too over the last 20 years, people being
:03:01. > :03:02.accelerated too far too fast and they come to
:03:03. > :03:08.a screeching halt where they have to catch up with themselves.
:03:09. > :03:22.I am not going to give an example. Is this not a bit cynical? He is
:03:23. > :03:30.going to promote these women into cabinet positions, but they will not
:03:31. > :03:35.be able to do anything. I am sceptical of Cabinet reshuffle. It
:03:36. > :03:42.is an un-written pact in that the media and the government have a
:03:43. > :03:46.great interest in talking it up The government says, haven't we
:03:47. > :03:50.refreshed ourselves? Generally it doesn't refresh the government.
:03:51. > :03:57.David Cameron wants to send out a new signal. You're going to see the
:03:58. > :04:02.old guard getting a P 45 and you will see a lot of women come in and
:04:03. > :04:08.a lot of younger men. We will find there will be a lot of resignations.
:04:09. > :04:14.A lot of, dear Prime Minister, as I told you 18 months ago, I want to
:04:15. > :04:19.move on. Because the Conservatives have this perception of not being
:04:20. > :04:24.very good with women and not being good with black and ethnic minority
:04:25. > :04:30.voters, they are going to want to do something about that. Why did he not
:04:31. > :04:36.do it before? This reshuffle might be the triumph of the a list. A lot
:04:37. > :04:41.of the women coming through the ranks have been from the a list
:04:42. > :04:46.which was a half measure because they knew they could not bring all
:04:47. > :04:51.of them in. You are going to see more women but that is a result of a
:04:52. > :04:56.long-term strategy. David Cameron is not the world's most raging
:04:57. > :05:00.feminist. He is doing this for practical reasons. He knows he has
:05:01. > :05:10.an image problem for the party and he has to solve it. He was stung by
:05:11. > :05:13.that picture of the all-male bench at Prime Minister's Questions
:05:14. > :05:19.because visibly it gave you the problem that you have been talking
:05:20. > :05:23.about. I do not think he has allowed it to be all-male since that
:05:24. > :05:27.embarrassing image. I can understand the criticism made of this approach
:05:28. > :05:33.if it was the case that all the women being promoted by talentless
:05:34. > :05:39.but you have to be very harsh to look at them and say that they would
:05:40. > :05:51.have much less to offer than the likes of Andrew Lansley. You can be
:05:52. > :05:55.pro-feminist. The tests for David Cameron is that having raised
:05:56. > :05:59.expectations he has to give them substantial jobs. They have to be
:06:00. > :06:04.given departments to run or big portfolios to carry. If they are
:06:05. > :06:09.given media campaign positions in the run-up to the election it looks
:06:10. > :06:14.perfunctorily. He is under some trouble to perhaps suggest a female
:06:15. > :06:23.commissioner to the European Union Commission. Jean-Claude Juncker has
:06:24. > :06:28.made clear that if he proposes a woman candidate they will get a
:06:29. > :06:36.better job. Saying they would like ten out of the 28 to be women. We
:06:37. > :06:42.are going to get the name of the British candidate at the same time
:06:43. > :06:48.as the reshuffle. The first face-to-face meeting, he will be
:06:49. > :06:55.able to put a name. There are other names in the frame. People like
:06:56. > :07:04.Archie Norman. That come from? His name is in the frame. There would be
:07:05. > :07:07.great scepticism of giving it to Andrew Lansley. People would think
:07:08. > :07:16.he was the man who mucked up the reform of the NHS. Who is it going
:07:17. > :07:21.to be? Either a woman or a man. I would not be surprised if they go
:07:22. > :07:28.for someone believe dynamic. Someone who would square the party. Would
:07:29. > :07:35.that not mean a by-election? It might. She is a high profile
:07:36. > :07:39.Eurosceptic. She is a very competent former banker. It would be the smart
:07:40. > :07:41.choice. I have no idea but my favourite rumour is Michael Howard.
:07:42. > :07:49.That had some legs for a while. The Mystic Megs of Fleet Street
:07:50. > :07:54.predict with confidence that the PM is going to promote more women
:07:55. > :07:55.in his cabinet reshuffle. The move can be seen as part
:07:56. > :07:59.of a move across British public life to do more to make our institutions
:08:00. > :08:02.less male and less white. But as the list
:08:03. > :08:04.of schemes to encourage diversity grows ever-longer, have we abandoned
:08:05. > :08:20.the idea of appointment by merit? Tunnelling. Hard hats, and all for
:08:21. > :08:24.new trains. It does not get more macho than the Crossrail project.
:08:25. > :08:25.When Crossrail looked at the construction industry they realise
:08:26. > :08:37.that less than 20% was made up construction industry they realise
:08:38. > :08:38.women and they asked, can we fix it? They are trying with a recruitment
:08:39. > :08:45.drive that has brought in female engineers like this woman. She even
:08:46. > :08:49.has a tunnel named after her. Having more female engineers and
:08:50. > :08:55.construction brings a bigger range of opinions, a bigger range of
:08:56. > :09:00.ideas, more diversity, into the industry, and makes it better as a
:09:01. > :09:03.whole. It is the issue being grappled in another male dominated
:09:04. > :09:07.workplace, the Cabinet. There is about to be a reach shuffle and the
:09:08. > :09:11.rumour is David Cameron is going to promote a lot of female ministers.
:09:12. > :09:17.It was a lack of promotion that annoyed Harriet Harman this week.
:09:18. > :09:21.She claimed Gordon Brown did not make her Deputy Prime Minister
:09:22. > :09:24.because she was a woman. It was strange that in a hard-fought highly
:09:25. > :09:29.contested election to be deputy leader of the Labour Party, and
:09:30. > :09:33.having won against men in the Cabinet, to succeed to be deputy
:09:34. > :09:38.leader of the Labour Party I discovered that I was not to be
:09:39. > :09:41.appointed as Deputy Prime Minister. For women in this country, no matter
:09:42. > :09:48.how able they are, the matter how hard they might work, they are still
:09:49. > :09:53.not equal. There are initiatives to make the world feel more equal. In
:09:54. > :09:58.the City the EU wants a quarter for women in the boardroom but that goal
:09:59. > :10:03.of making 40% of the top floor female. At the BBC the boss of the
:10:04. > :10:09.TV division says no panel show should ever be all-male. In the ever
:10:10. > :10:13.glamorous movie business the British film Institute announced their new
:10:14. > :10:19.thematic system to get lottery funding projects improving diversity
:10:20. > :10:26.on screen and off and helping social mobility. Employers like Crossrail
:10:27. > :10:31.are not allowed to positively discriminate but under the quality
:10:32. > :10:35.act of 2010 if two candidate for a job are just as good you are allowed
:10:36. > :10:40.to base your decision on characteristics like race, sexuality
:10:41. > :10:47.and gender. Some worry it has chipped away at the idea of hiring
:10:48. > :10:52.on merit. A woman and three men going for a job, two of the men are
:10:53. > :10:56.really good and the woman is not quite as good but she gets the job
:10:57. > :11:03.anyway. That will create injustice, a feeling that she did not deserve
:11:04. > :11:13.the job, resentment. It does not advance equality in society at all.
:11:14. > :11:17.On this project they want to leave a concrete legacy of a more diverse
:11:18. > :11:18.construction industry. The question is, what tools do you use when it
:11:19. > :11:30.comes to the rest of society? I'm joined now by
:11:31. > :11:31.Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, a columnist for the Independent
:11:32. > :11:34.and by Munira Mirza, the deputy mayor of London responsible
:11:35. > :11:47.for education and culture. Cabinet wee shovel coming up punches
:11:48. > :11:54.though. Should David Cameron be promoting women? He is going to do
:11:55. > :11:59.it anyway. He should have a long time ago. It does not feel quite
:12:00. > :12:05.right that a few months before the election it would do the party a lot
:12:06. > :12:10.of good to be seen as a party properly reflective of the entire
:12:11. > :12:14.population. He should promote women because they are women? I think he
:12:15. > :12:17.should think about lots of different factors, whether the people he wants
:12:18. > :12:24.promote have proven themselves in their current reefs, whether they
:12:25. > :12:29.are good performers in the media, whether they represent different
:12:30. > :12:33.parts of the party, but the main principle is to promote on basis of
:12:34. > :12:38.merit. There are many talented women who fill that description. It should
:12:39. > :12:42.be that merit is the important thing rather than what you were born with.
:12:43. > :12:45.The thing about positive discrimination as it flies in the
:12:46. > :12:51.face of that kind of principle. You are shaking your head. We have
:12:52. > :12:58.always had positive discrimination. Men of a certain class have
:12:59. > :13:03.appointed in their own image because they feel most comfortable with
:13:04. > :13:05.that. We have had unspoken positive discrimination in this country and
:13:06. > :13:12.every other country throughout history. We are asking as women all
:13:13. > :13:18.minorities, let us get into the same game. What do you say? You cannot
:13:19. > :13:24.solve the racism or the sexism of the past by more racism and sexism.
:13:25. > :13:28.It is not the past. There are complex reasons why a smaller number
:13:29. > :13:34.of women will appear in certain industries. It has a lot to do with
:13:35. > :13:36.childcare, education, expected. You cannot short cut that by setting a
:13:37. > :13:43.target. That is not how you achieve equality. Things are changing
:13:44. > :14:09.target. That is not how you achieve engineering and so on but it
:14:10. > :14:12.target. That is not how you achieve hidden barriers. Dot. Either they
:14:13. > :14:14.are not as good or they do not want it, which is just how we persuade
:14:15. > :14:19.are not as good or they do not want it, which ourselves that it is not
:14:20. > :14:24.happening, or there are barriers. How we judge meritocracy is at the
:14:25. > :14:31.heart of it. Are lots of industries won there are not that many women,
:14:32. > :14:37.such as engineering. We need more engineers generally. I think it is
:14:38. > :14:45.fine to try to encourage more women to study that subject. By setting a
:14:46. > :14:51.target you put pressure on an organisation. You tried to
:14:52. > :14:53.target you put pressure on an the complex reasons why women do not
:14:54. > :16:17.go into those sectors. Minister? I personally wouldn't mind
:16:18. > :16:27.this. I hear the disgruntled man and I want to come -- them to come with
:16:28. > :16:32.us. You're choosing people on the basis of traits they were born
:16:33. > :16:38.with. Are there too many Indian doctors in the NHS? I would argue
:16:39. > :16:42.not. Given that we tend to have male prime ministers rather than female
:16:43. > :16:44.ones, and we don't see another female one coming down the pipe very
:16:45. > :18:24.quickly... female one coming down the pipe very
:18:25. > :18:29.list forever, wasn't it the kind of shock to the system that made a
:18:30. > :22:55.visible change in female representation,
:22:56. > :22:58.visible change in female Scotland, why take the risk? All of
:22:59. > :23:01.these things should be the case because they are in the best
:23:02. > :23:07.interests of Scotland and the rest of the UK but we want the powers to
:23:08. > :23:13.enable us to grow our economy faster, to be productive, and
:23:14. > :23:18.overtime increased the prosperity of people living in Scotland. We also
:23:19. > :23:24.want powers over our social security system so that we can create a
:23:25. > :23:28.system that meets our needs, one that also has a safety net for the
:23:29. > :23:35.most vulnerable people in our society. Independence is about
:23:36. > :23:39.letting us decide our own priorities. You didn't answer my
:23:40. > :23:43.question, you cannot guarantee you would be able to keep the pound
:23:44. > :23:48.within a monetary union, stay in NATO and the EU, you cannot
:23:49. > :23:53.guarantee you could produce any of these things, correct? I would argue
:23:54. > :23:59.that we can because these things are also in the interest of the rest of
:24:00. > :24:04.the UK. No country can be prevented from using the pound, I suggest we
:24:05. > :24:09.use that within a formal monetary union. We have had the UK minister
:24:10. > :24:14.quoted in the Guardian saying the position of the UK Government right
:24:15. > :24:18.now is one based on campaign rhetoric and following a yes vote,
:24:19. > :24:26.of course there would be a currency union. Who is that minister? The
:24:27. > :24:30.Minister is unnamed, but nevertheless that story in the
:24:31. > :24:36.Guardian was a solid one and not substantially denied. So you are
:24:37. > :24:45.basing your monetary policy on one on named minister in one story?
:24:46. > :24:50.Basing it on Common sense because monetary union would be in the best
:24:51. > :24:54.interests for Scotland but also overwhelmingly in the interests of
:24:55. > :24:58.the rest of the UK, given their trading relationship with Scotland
:24:59. > :25:07.and the contribution Scotland's exports make. We are having a very
:25:08. > :25:18.good debate and the UK Government and the no campaign, and this is not
:25:19. > :25:23.a criticism, want to talk up in -- uncertainty to make people feel
:25:24. > :25:27.scared, but after independence there will be constructed process of
:25:28. > :25:30.negotiation. Let's stick with the monetary union because most
:25:31. > :25:35.economists agree it would be very good for an independent Scotland to
:25:36. > :25:40.have a monetary union but George Osborne, Ed Balls, Danny Alexander
:25:41. > :25:45.are unequivocal, they say you won't get it. You claim they are bluffing
:25:46. > :25:50.but again you cannot guarantee that so why the risk? I would say the
:25:51. > :25:54.benefits of independence are substantial but I would also say to
:25:55. > :25:58.George Osborne and his counterparts in the other parties that it would
:25:59. > :26:03.be a very brave Chancellor that says to businesses in the rest of the UK
:26:04. > :26:06.that they have to incur unnecessary additional transaction costs of half
:26:07. > :26:09.a very brave Chancellor that says to businesses in the rest of the UK
:26:10. > :26:14.that they have to incur unnecessary additional transaction costs of
:26:15. > :26:18.half. What we are doing is making a case that is based on common sense
:26:19. > :26:24.and voters in Scotland will listen to that case being put forward by
:26:25. > :26:32.the other side as well, and they will come to a judgement of the
:26:33. > :26:36.common-sense position. Let's look at EU membership because you haven t
:26:37. > :26:45.been able to guarantee the monetary union. When President Barroso said
:26:46. > :26:49.that a seamless transition to EU membership for an independent
:26:50. > :26:54.Scotland was anything but certain, and one said it could even be
:26:55. > :27:03.impossible, you dismissed him because he was standing down, but
:27:04. > :27:10.been -- venue EU president says the same, do you dismissed him? What we
:27:11. > :27:15.are doing... I should say at the outset of this, we have said
:27:16. > :27:19.repeatedly to the UK Government let's go jointly and ask for a
:27:20. > :27:23.formal opinion on the EU commission. The EU commission have
:27:24. > :27:30.said they will only do that at this stage if the UK Government ask for
:27:31. > :27:36.it, they are point blank refusing to do that, you have to ask why? It is
:27:37. > :27:41.in their interests to talk up uncertainty. Scotland is an integral
:27:42. > :27:47.part of the European Union, we have been for 40 years, we comply with
:27:48. > :27:53.the rules and regulations... Mr Juncker knows all of that but he
:27:54. > :27:58.still says it will be anything but a seamless transition. He said you
:27:59. > :28:09.could not join the European Union by sending a letter, that is not our
:28:10. > :28:15.proposal. We set down a robust proposal and the timescale we think
:28:16. > :28:21.is reasonable under these circumstances. There are many
:28:22. > :28:26.nationals of other states living in Scotland right now, if we were to be
:28:27. > :28:30.outside of the European Union for any period of time, something the
:28:31. > :28:35.current treaty doesn't even provide for, they would lose their right to
:28:36. > :28:39.stay here. The interests of Scotland and the interests of European Union
:28:40. > :28:44.are in favour of a seamless transition. It comes down to common
:28:45. > :28:44.sense and people in Scotland will make
:28:45. > :28:49.sense and people in Scotland will their own judgement on who is
:28:50. > :28:55.talking the common-sense. What about NATO, two years ago you told
:28:56. > :29:01.Newsnight the SNP's position is that we wouldn't stay in NATO. We had a
:29:02. > :29:05.democratic debate, we looked at whether it would be in the interests
:29:06. > :29:12.of an independent Scotland, which forms a significant part of the
:29:13. > :29:18.territory of the North Atlantic and the party changed its mind. It did
:29:19. > :29:26.so in a thoroughly democratic way. That is the nature of democracy
:29:27. > :29:37.Would you accept the protection of the NATO nuclear umbrella? There is
:29:38. > :29:46.no doubt the SNP's position is that we do not want nuclear weapons in
:29:47. > :29:49.Scotland. That is not what I asked. The world rid themselves of nuclear
:29:50. > :29:53.weapons. One of the interesting point is of the 28 member countries
:29:54. > :29:59.of Natal 25 do not have nuclear weapons. An independent Scotland...
:30:00. > :30:10.I asked if you would accept the nuclear umbrella. The key feature of
:30:11. > :30:17.NATO's military dog train is now clear shrike. We would accept the
:30:18. > :30:23.basis of which NATO is founded but we would argue two things. We want
:30:24. > :30:26.Trident removed from Scotland rather than have a situation where might we
:30:27. > :30:32.are spending ?100 billion over the next generation replacing Trident
:30:33. > :30:36.and we would argue within the international community that the
:30:37. > :30:40.world should move much more quickly to rid itself of nuclear weapons.
:30:41. > :30:45.That is the principal position and won the SNP has held consistently
:30:46. > :30:51.for many years. You would get rid of one of the key parts of the NATO
:30:52. > :30:55.deterrent based in Scotland. You would kick that out. You would not
:30:56. > :31:01.accept all of the club rules because you do not like the idea of nuclear.
:31:02. > :31:06.Why would they like a member like you in? Because Scotland is a
:31:07. > :31:12.significant part of the territory of the North Atlantic. You do not
:31:13. > :31:17.subscribe to the rules. 25 of the member states of NATO are
:31:18. > :31:24.non-nuclear members. You are saying you do not follow the doctrine. NATO
:31:25. > :31:28.has said it wants to move away from reliance on nuclear weapons. An
:31:29. > :31:33.independent Scotland would be entering the majority mainstream of
:31:34. > :31:38.NATO as a country that did not have nuclear weapons. By leading by
:31:39. > :31:43.example our moral authority and encouraging others to do likewise
:31:44. > :31:48.would be increased. Money and oil, the finance minister has said that
:31:49. > :31:51.an independent Scotland would increase public spending by 3% a
:31:52. > :31:56.year. He would pay for that by borrowing. Your First Minister says
:31:57. > :32:02.he is going to stash money in an oil fund. You're going to borrow and
:32:03. > :32:09.save. How does that work? There are two points. Firstly in terms of the
:32:10. > :32:14.outlook for finances and what is one of the central debates of this
:32:15. > :32:17.referendum campaign, austerity that we know will continue if we stay as
:32:18. > :32:23.part of the Westminster system versus prosperity. The economy can
:32:24. > :32:27.afford a higher level of increase in public spending while we continue to
:32:28. > :32:33.have deficit levels at a sustainable level. What is the point of
:32:34. > :32:38.borrowing and saving at the same time? People who have a mortgage and
:32:39. > :32:44.the savings account would not themselves what the wisdom of that
:32:45. > :32:47.is. This is based on recommendations of our expert fiscal Commission that
:32:48. > :32:53.as borrowing reduces to sustainable levels it makes sense to start
:32:54. > :32:59.saving a proportion of our oil wealth. In Norway, which has many
:33:00. > :33:05.similarities to Scotland, they have an oil fund worth ?500 billion.
:33:06. > :33:09.Scotland is part of the Westminster system is sitting on a share of UK
:33:10. > :33:16.debt. We can continue to allow our oil wealth, our vast oil wealth to
:33:17. > :33:19.be mismanaged or we can decide we are going to manage that resource
:33:20. > :33:26.better in the years to come. Your figures do not add up unless you are
:33:27. > :33:30.about oil prices and revenue and you have been consistently wrong in your
:33:31. > :33:37.predictions. Last year you forecast that revenues would be the .7
:33:38. > :33:45.billion more than they actually work -- 3.7 billion. The cost of the
:33:46. > :33:49.Scottish school system gone. There were particular reasons for that in
:33:50. > :33:53.terms of interruption to production and bigger levels of investment
:33:54. > :33:59.Used ill have to find the money Let me explain. They are based on robust
:34:00. > :34:03.assumptions, firstly a production estimates that is in line with the
:34:04. > :34:07.estimates of the oil and gas industry. Use of figures that are
:34:08. > :34:14.based on production of 10 billion barrels of oil. Oil and gas has been
:34:15. > :34:21.wrong as well. It is 24 billion left to be recovered. That is what is in
:34:22. > :34:27.the UK Government's oil and gas strategy so production in line with
:34:28. > :34:30.industry estimates and an oil price of $110 per barrel which is flat in
:34:31. > :34:37.cash terms would be a real terms reduction. The Department of energy
:34:38. > :34:41.is estimating $128 per barrel so our estimate compared to that is
:34:42. > :34:48.cautious. These are robust estimates based on robust assumptions. Except
:34:49. > :34:54.they have been wrong. Finally, we hear a lot from you and your fellow
:34:55. > :34:59.nationalists, you want a Scandinavian style social democracy,
:35:00. > :35:03.you know how to spend the money but you never tell us about social
:35:04. > :35:07.democratic levels of taxation. Also should grizzlies have higher levels
:35:08. > :35:13.of tax in Scotland does at the moment -- all social grizzlies. I
:35:14. > :35:20.want a Scottish style of social democracy. Free education, free
:35:21. > :35:25.medicines and balancing the books every single year. We want to get
:35:26. > :35:29.more people into work in Scotland, raise the level of distribution in
:35:30. > :35:32.the Labour market and make the economy more productive so we are
:35:33. > :35:38.raising the overall tax revenue Over the last 33 years we have
:35:39. > :35:46.generated more taxpayer head of population than is the case and the
:35:47. > :35:50.rest of the UK. Those last 33 years, some of those years oil prices would
:35:51. > :35:54.have been high and in others they would have been law but we take
:35:55. > :35:58.different decisions. A report showed that if we go as part of the
:35:59. > :36:05.Westminster system down the plate -- route of replacing Trident then the
:36:06. > :36:10.cost will be as high as ?4 billion every year. Our share of that is the
:36:11. > :36:15.hundred million pounds a year. Let us get access to our own resources
:36:16. > :36:18.so we can make different and better decisions about how to spend the
:36:19. > :36:24.resources we have. You are promising Scandinavian style social democratic
:36:25. > :36:28.levels of public spending but you say you will not need a top rate of
:36:29. > :36:38.tax of 56% which is what Scandinavia has, that all 25%, which is what
:36:39. > :36:41.Scandinavia has and VAT of 15%. You are going to have the spending but
:36:42. > :36:48.none of the taxes that make it possible in Scandinavia. For
:36:49. > :36:53.mischievous reasons you are met -- misrepresenting what I am saying.
:36:54. > :36:58.The Scottish economy can afford it and we want to generate more wealth
:36:59. > :37:03.in our economy. We want to use the existing resources Scotland has We
:37:04. > :37:08.are the 14th richest country in the world in terms of what we produce.
:37:09. > :37:11.We do not want to be wasting resources. We want to be spending
:37:12. > :37:16.resources on the things that other priority for the people of Scotland.
:37:17. > :37:20.These are the benefits and the opportunities really get if we take
:37:21. > :37:31.the opportunity of voting yes and becoming independent.
:37:32. > :37:57.libraries under threat of closure ` could volunteers keep them open
:37:58. > :38:01.They are really just going to struggle. It's not just a c`se of
:38:02. > :38:04.standing behind the counter issuing books, there's a lot more involved.
:38:05. > :38:08.I'd love to volunteer, as long as they don't mind le
:38:09. > :38:10.the future holds for our politicians. And, looking b`ck on a
:38:11. > :38:34.My attendance record and my voting partichpation
:38:35. > :38:53.Of I am joined by our guest this week. It has been a major political
:38:54. > :38:57.story this weekend it has bdcome an issue in the East Midlands. The
:38:58. > :39:01.Government has ordered an enquiry into her allegations of widdspread
:39:02. > :39:05.abuse by powerful public figures in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s were
:39:06. > :39:09.handled. Now one of our MPs says that it has been happening here
:39:10. > :39:18.John Mann once enquiry into claims of abuse in Nottinghamshire. I have
:39:19. > :39:21.had six people coming to me, making allegations about a range of
:39:22. > :39:29.offenders, and connected allegations, unconnected suggested
:39:30. > :39:32.perpetrators. What is common amongst them is that all reported to the
:39:33. > :39:38.police, not a single case h`s been prosecuted. Not one out of the sex.
:39:39. > :39:45.Nottinghamshire Police have told us that after John Mann's allegations
:39:46. > :39:47.they have a current investigation involving three victims and are
:39:48. > :39:55.looking again at the cases of three people which have been investigated
:39:56. > :40:02.before. Queries this all gohng to end? I hope that there will be
:40:03. > :40:09.justice for the bit is. That is what we have always got me thinkhng
:40:10. > :40:15.about. These cranes are forl a `` these crimes are horrific. H hope
:40:16. > :40:20.that the victims who feel that these crimes were swept under the carpet
:40:21. > :40:22.will now have the opportunity to have their cases heard and that
:40:23. > :40:25.those who carried out these horrific those who carried out these horrific
:40:26. > :40:30.crimes are brought to justice. This is an issue which will not go away.
:40:31. > :40:33.These allegations are about historical events. These evdnts
:40:34. > :40:39.could be even more damaging to our trust in politicians here and now. I
:40:40. > :40:45.think all parties take thesd issues really seriously. It is not a
:40:46. > :40:51.partisan issue so much as m`king sure that all checks and balances
:40:52. > :40:57.are in place, look up properly and when allegations are maybe H looked
:40:58. > :41:06.at thoroughly. Do you support the Government's moved to hold ` public
:41:07. > :41:10.enquiry? I do. A few weeks `go I said that we need an overarching
:41:11. > :41:13.inquiry and I am pleased thd Government have said that there is
:41:14. > :41:19.going to be an overarching hnquiry. Cyril Smith, a Labour MP was
:41:20. > :41:23.campaigning on Cyril Smith, I remember growing up in Greater
:41:24. > :41:26.around Cyril Smith and rumotrs that around Cyril Smith and rumotrs that
:41:27. > :41:32.the authorities had not let into these issues properly. And so I hope
:41:33. > :41:35.that 20 or 30 years down thd line, this enquiry that the Government has
:41:36. > :41:40.set up can look into all thdse issues, because the key thing is
:41:41. > :41:45.getting justice for the victims of these horrific crimes. Therd is a
:41:46. > :41:51.concern that as we look to the past escape divert resources awax from
:41:52. > :41:56.current abuse cases. One thhng that kept me awake at night as ldader of
:41:57. > :41:59.the County Council was child protection issues because it is so
:42:00. > :42:04.critical and life destroying when it is not looked into properly and
:42:05. > :42:10.prevented. I was confident with the team that we had in Derbyshhre. I
:42:11. > :42:12.think that other local authorities, regardless of party, take this issue
:42:13. > :42:17.incredibly seriously and will continue to do so.
:42:18. > :42:23.This week Leicestershire Cotnty Council ended its public
:42:24. > :42:27.consultation on its decision to hand libraries over two communithes to be
:42:28. > :42:33.run by volunteers and admitted that they could close if no one comes
:42:34. > :42:37.forward. This is one of 36 community
:42:38. > :42:41.libraries that Leicestershire County Council want to support comlunities
:42:42. > :42:47.to run. Many users here lovd their local library and do not want it to
:42:48. > :42:52.change. I love reading, I love my library, and it is the main thing in
:42:53. > :42:56.my life. I understand that the council need to save money, but I do
:42:57. > :43:00.not think that closing the library is the right way to do it. We moved
:43:01. > :43:06.here last year and the libr`ry was one of the first places that we came
:43:07. > :43:13.to. We have made lots of new friends. I love reading and I want
:43:14. > :43:19.my son to as well. I'm keephng my mind open about volunteering. I
:43:20. > :43:22.think it will struggle, it hs not just the case of standing bdhind the
:43:23. > :43:27.counter issuing book, there's a lot more involved. I would love to
:43:28. > :43:33.volunteer, as long as the domain name bringing my sidekick. To cancel
:43:34. > :43:38.it had taken the petition to County Hall. People pay their taxes, their
:43:39. > :43:41.council tax, they expect certain services to be delivered and one of
:43:42. > :43:46.those services is the local library. They wanted to be funded by
:43:47. > :43:50.the County Council and will be staffed by professional librarians.
:43:51. > :43:54.In a statement, Leicestershhre County Council say they will be
:43:55. > :43:57.analysing the responses of this consultation, which closed on
:43:58. > :44:01.Monday, and a report will bd going to Cabinet in September. Thdy go on
:44:02. > :44:09.to say that they understand people value their libraries and w`nt them
:44:10. > :44:17.to continue as community hubs. The community here is already trying to
:44:18. > :44:20.facility, not the library, the local facility, not the library, the local
:44:21. > :44:25.pub. We had a 98% positive vote to say that we wanted to save the pub.
:44:26. > :44:31.But we want to turn it into much more than that, we do not h`ve a
:44:32. > :44:37.such facilities, so we want to have such facilities, so we want to have
:44:38. > :44:43.a small shop, be able to offer perhaps a function room, a coffee
:44:44. > :44:47.bar, parcel drop, picking up prescriptions. It becomes a much
:44:48. > :44:53.are former leader of the Cotnty are former leader of the Cotnty
:44:54. > :44:59.Council, dealing Leicestershire could be doing work? I think that
:45:00. > :45:02.Leicestershire's model of trying to hold onto its libraries this way is
:45:03. > :45:07.interesting. When I was leader of the County Council I ran culture
:45:08. > :45:10.personally because I took it seriously. We brought services into
:45:11. > :45:15.libraries from different departments at the council to keep them vibrant
:45:16. > :45:21.and vital. This is a differdnt model, they've consulted ovdr it
:45:22. > :45:27.widely. I think communities do value their libraries and therefore they
:45:28. > :45:33.will want to help the counchl in difficult times to support the
:45:34. > :45:39.service. Should the council be doing work? The council faces the legacy
:45:40. > :45:46.of an economic recession. Which we are recovering from now. Thdre is a
:45:47. > :45:50.long way to go with it. That means that there will have to be different
:45:51. > :45:52.ways of doing things across the public sector. This is about the
:45:53. > :45:55.money. It is not available, so it makes sense to involve the community
:45:56. > :45:59.in this way. What is driving this is the huge cuts that the Tory `Liberal
:46:00. > :46:07.Government have imposed across local governments across the land.
:46:08. > :46:14.Leicestershire Government and Derbyshire Government have defined
:46:15. > :46:17.cuts. That is the problem hdre. The Government has made decisions about
:46:18. > :46:26.the funding it gets to councils and councils are being forced to
:46:27. > :46:29.respond. Sadly, in this casd, they are closing libraries. Wait like he
:46:30. > :46:33.is saying it is your fault. Am always interested when Labotr see
:46:34. > :46:39.that their cuts are terribld. The Labour Leader says that thex would
:46:40. > :46:46.stick to these conservative lands and they got into power. Wh`t we are
:46:47. > :46:49.actually saying is that we recognise the mess that David Cameron and
:46:50. > :46:56.George Osborne have made with the public finances and we are just
:46:57. > :46:59.being honest that if we get into Government next year then wd will
:47:00. > :47:05.inherent a very unbalanced budget. George Osborne actually prolised to
:47:06. > :47:10.balance the books by 2015, he is going to feel on that. But he is
:47:11. > :47:18.saying that he will inherit your mess. He has been in Governlent now
:47:19. > :47:21.for over four years. The thhng is that people clearly do love their
:47:22. > :47:26.libraries and they are prep`red to fight for them. Leicestershhre
:47:27. > :47:31.County Council said they had 20 0 responses to the consultation and
:47:32. > :47:34.1400 people turned out to mdetings. People are very interested `nd want
:47:35. > :47:39.to care for their libraries. I support that, they are very
:47:40. > :47:45.important. But the economy hs in recovery after a disastrous period
:47:46. > :47:49.under Labour. We have taken time to recover otherwise would be to have
:47:50. > :47:54.had to make more severe cuts. People do not like the cuts, that hs
:47:55. > :47:58.perhaps why you lost Derbyshire People do not like the cuts but they
:47:59. > :48:05.are being made in the national interest. They are being done over a
:48:06. > :48:08.full parliamentary term. Ed Miliband said this week that people would
:48:09. > :48:12.support people powered publhc services. Is that not the s`me thing
:48:13. > :48:16.as the big society? We have said that we want to default mord money
:48:17. > :48:20.so that they can make decishons To so that they can make decishons To
:48:21. > :48:26.be fair, the Government are doing this as well know. These ard the big
:48:27. > :48:30.buzzwords and public policy. We are in favour of that. The Government
:48:31. > :48:38.had taken steps this week. We have gone further... How? Where hs your
:48:39. > :48:43.money going to come from? Wd want the money from the National
:48:44. > :48:48.Department for local authorhties to devolve money to local level. We are
:48:49. > :48:52.interested in projects wherd local people come together and run
:48:53. > :48:54.services. But Leicestershird what is happening is that the Countx Council
:48:55. > :48:58.has taken decisions close lhbraries because of cut that they have got to
:48:59. > :49:02.find because of what central Government has imposed upon them.
:49:03. > :49:08.Next week Derbyshire has announced `` is announcing ?17 million of cuts
:49:09. > :49:12.and they are blaming your Government for it. The leader said that the
:49:13. > :49:17.Government has left us no choice and we are now thinking the unthinkable.
:49:18. > :49:23.I think Derbyshire County Council has been particularly badly run I
:49:24. > :49:28.decisions have been deferred which has made them worse. Money has been
:49:29. > :49:33.given to organisations that printed T`shirts about Margaret Thatcher's
:49:34. > :49:37.death and all sorts of things. You are saying they have wasted money?
:49:38. > :49:45.Yes, they have put off making decisions. They are Labour `uthority
:49:46. > :49:49.that must be worrying to thd rest of the Labour Party because thdy have
:49:50. > :49:53.messed things up. It is the end of the political year. Parliamdnt rises
:49:54. > :49:57.in just two weeks's time and when MPs return in autumn it will be in
:49:58. > :50:00.the final run`up to the gendral election. We will be getting the
:50:01. > :50:05.views of our political editor about how that election fight is shaping
:50:06. > :50:08.up in the East Midlands. Here is our look back at the highlights of the
:50:09. > :50:12.year so far. Your Sunday politics is in Brussels
:50:13. > :50:20.this week for a special programme here in the European Parlialent
:50:21. > :50:25.What can I say? Queries that chocolate shop? Rain mac I would
:50:26. > :50:39.love to show you inside but the races following in. My partx's
:50:40. > :50:44.record is better than your Lib Dems. It is pushing the Lib Dems hnto
:50:45. > :50:48.fifth place. I will not apologise. Some people would say that `s Labour
:50:49. > :50:56.authorities you have picked high`profile services to cut. Not so
:50:57. > :51:02.many people are wanting to foster or adopt children, I think that more
:51:03. > :51:07.people should. How are you going to regulate the drilling? We h`ve come
:51:08. > :51:28.to Newark market to do the cupcake challenge. Being a backbench MP can
:51:29. > :51:34.be very rewarding indeed. Ddnnis Skinner shouted out, are yot on work
:51:35. > :51:39.experience? I know what it hs like. My phone has been playing up. Maybe
:51:40. > :51:51.it was that call for the vote of no confidence. Might have had something
:51:52. > :51:57.to do with it. It was a black Dalek, fight Dalek and great Dalek and I
:51:58. > :52:06.lost one of them. It is likd your life just flashing before your eyes.
:52:07. > :52:10.Let us look ahead to what is in store in the run`up to the general
:52:11. > :52:14.election. What have in the big themes in the East Midlands? Three
:52:15. > :52:18.things spring out for me. One thing is that the coalition are still
:52:19. > :52:22.going after four years. It lay appear to be a bit like a t`ndem,
:52:23. > :52:27.with David Cameron holding onto the handlebars, Nick Clegg going behind
:52:28. > :52:32.him. Basically it is holding together. The other thing is the
:52:33. > :52:38.economy. The East Midlands hs very much in the driving seat of the
:52:39. > :52:40.revival. The politics, the Newark by`election, the European
:52:41. > :52:45.elections, that has definitdly given the Tories and the Prime Minister
:52:46. > :52:55.rebounds. Here is one of thd reasons for that Tory bones. `` bounce. They
:52:56. > :53:00.may have put UKIP in a box. What should we be looking out for? The
:53:01. > :53:04.parties will be increasinglx pitting those booster rockets under their
:53:05. > :53:08.campaigns. Destination general election next May. You will find
:53:09. > :53:12.increasingly as the Tories, the Labour Party and Liberal Delocrats
:53:13. > :53:17.put the items in their shop window what they would do in Government. We
:53:18. > :53:21.will have a reshuffle very soon the next couple of days, will Kdn Clarke
:53:22. > :53:29.remaining Cabinet and to wh`t extent will the Prime Minister be `ble to
:53:30. > :53:32.promote women at the top table. That has a knock`on effect for Ed
:53:33. > :53:38.Miliband, will he start to shuffle his pack? And then Scotland, the
:53:39. > :53:45.referendum result in September. That will have a huge effect, not only on
:53:46. > :53:50.British politics, but on thd role of English cities. What would be the
:53:51. > :53:56.knock`on effect for that? You are involved in labour's campaign. Is it
:53:57. > :54:00.just coincidence is the East Midlands going to be this bhg battle
:54:01. > :54:05.ground in the coming general election? I think it is just pointed
:54:06. > :54:10.and is that we have got to outstanding Labour MPs, frol the
:54:11. > :54:21.East Midlands. But you are right, the East Midlands are going to be a
:54:22. > :54:26.big battle ground. The Tory membership in these seats is
:54:27. > :54:29.actually falling. But at thd same time they are getting big money
:54:30. > :54:37.donations in. So I think th`t if you live in Amber Valley, where Labour
:54:38. > :54:41.won the local elections, yot will be getting a lot of glossy litdrature
:54:42. > :54:43.from the Tory party. But in laughter about you will also be getthng the
:54:44. > :54:52.Labour candidate knocking on your door. It is going to be people
:54:53. > :54:57.power. Have the Conservativds feeling as they go into the summer
:54:58. > :55:00.break? Because you did when the Newark by`election but you had a cut
:55:01. > :55:05.in your majority which John has just alluded to. That could translate to
:55:06. > :55:10.losing a lot of marginal se`ts here in the East Midlands. I am sure that
:55:11. > :55:15.those knocks on the door or something for everybody to look
:55:16. > :55:21.forward to. We have won a by`election in Amber Valley already.
:55:22. > :55:26.On top of their European success, there is an agreement betwedn John
:55:27. > :55:28.and I that this is a key battle ground and there will be a lot of
:55:29. > :55:34.national attention on our area because it will determine pretty
:55:35. > :55:37.much who forms a Government. East Midlands economy is growing very
:55:38. > :55:42.quickly, new report says we have seen the biggest growth in the
:55:43. > :55:45.number of jobs in the country. I am pleased that there are more jobs in
:55:46. > :55:50.the East Midlands economy btt what we're finding is that peopld are
:55:51. > :55:54.still worse off. I do better or for worse off under the Tory Government,
:55:55. > :55:57.in the East Midlands you're still worse off. It is increasingly
:55:58. > :56:03.characterised by squeezed w`ges low pay and part`time or zero otr
:56:04. > :56:11.contracts. People are in work but what are not `` is not as mtch as
:56:12. > :56:15.what they did before. There are more cuts to come, job losses as well,
:56:16. > :56:21.that is not good news in thd run`up to a general election. Cartoon ever
:56:22. > :56:26.popular and it is our job to explain why they have been necessarx `` cuts
:56:27. > :56:31.are never popular. We need to show what progress we have made hn
:56:32. > :56:37.rebuilding the economy. The fact we are getting significant growth is
:56:38. > :56:44.good news for everybody. It is not significant growth, it is growth.
:56:45. > :56:50.Into significant growth. George Osborne said that it should be much
:56:51. > :56:53.more by now. Any growth can be considered a huge achievement. We
:56:54. > :56:59.are proud of it and we will take it to the doorstep. What are they not
:57:00. > :57:03.seeing here? What are they `voiding? Isn't that fascinating. That is what
:57:04. > :57:08.it will all be about. The two issues that I would sum up, the Tories do
:57:09. > :57:14.not want to talk about UKIP, Nigel Farage, will he get a nomin`tion
:57:15. > :57:21.probably in Kent, he will bd fighting the Tories. UKIP whll be a
:57:22. > :57:23.big problem for the Conserv`tives. For Labour, the elephant in the room
:57:24. > :57:31.is Ed Miliband's personal poll rating. Labour are doing all key in
:57:32. > :57:34.the polls, they are picking up local authority by`election seats, but Ed
:57:35. > :57:44.Miliband's personal rating hs still to move. UKIP will be a big worry
:57:45. > :57:49.for you? I am happy to talk about UKIP. I am happy to explain that
:57:50. > :57:52.what I think has changed with the UKIP vote is that when we h`d the
:57:53. > :57:57.County Council elections thdre was clearly a huge UKIP vote, mtch
:57:58. > :58:01.bigger than people expected and it did damage Conservatives. What has
:58:02. > :58:06.happened since is that in Etropean elections UKIP's support has
:58:07. > :58:11.broadened across into labour and it is up to both of us as the
:58:12. > :58:15.mainstream parties to make the case that the vote and the choicd in the
:58:16. > :58:21.general election is who do xou want as Prime Minister, David Caleron or
:58:22. > :58:25.Ed Miliband. Are you worried about UKIP? Politicians have to understand
:58:26. > :58:30.why such huge numbers of people voted UKIP and we should not dismiss
:58:31. > :58:34.their concerns, but I am not worried about them as such. What about your
:58:35. > :58:41.party leader? The elephant hn the room? Of course he is the rhght man
:58:42. > :58:45.for the job. John is going on about ratings. In the opinion polls we
:58:46. > :58:49.have been consistently ahead of the Conservatives. The other thhng John
:58:50. > :58:54.has not mentioned, extraordhnarily, four years ago we would havd been
:58:55. > :58:58.talking about the Liberal Ddmocrats. They are finished. They are not
:58:59. > :59:00.competitive in the East Midlands in the East Midlands and as
:59:01. > :59:07.Parliamentary election and peer to four years ago. It is, and there are
:59:08. > :59:18.none of them here to defend themselves. Time for a round`up of
:59:19. > :59:21.some of the other political stories. Fancy making history? The ptblic has
:59:22. > :59:27.been consulted on a new Magna Carter. They're not the North MP is
:59:28. > :59:34.leading a nationwide discussion on radical changes to our political
:59:35. > :59:37.system. A lot of people do not know the difference between Parlhament
:59:38. > :59:51.and Government or central Government and local Government, we ard opening
:59:52. > :59:57.a six`month debate with the public. The constabulary have no ch`nge to
:59:58. > :59:59.mac train their officers to get their support worked compassionate
:00:00. > :00:05.victim support. These honourable victims will not feel intimhdated to
:00:06. > :00:13.speak out. The head of Derbx City Council is keen to meet the public.
:00:14. > :00:26.He is whole `` holding local sessions every month.
:00:27. > :00:33.That is the Sunday Politics here in the East Midlands. Thank yot to my
:00:34. > :00:34.guests. We will be back in the autumn
:00:35. > :00:47.will keep a bit safer. That is all the time we have.
:00:48. > :00:49.So, plenty happening in Parliament this coming week, including
:00:50. > :00:52.a controversial bill to make so-called assisted dying legal and
:00:53. > :01:12.Lord Carey has intervened in the assisted dying debate. Will it make
:01:13. > :01:19.a difference? It will make a difference because we have
:01:20. > :01:24.established in the House of Lords, I am not sure who they speak for and
:01:25. > :01:32.why they should have a privileged position, but he was a big opponent
:01:33. > :01:35.and has made a change of heart. The fact that the Daily Mail has printed
:01:36. > :01:47.this shows this is a big intervention. The Bill being pushed
:01:48. > :01:53.through, is it now on the agenda? I think it is. There are international
:01:54. > :01:58.examples of assisted dying elsewhere. The state of Oregon
:01:59. > :02:03.passed a Bill similar to this in the 1990s and things have not got out of
:02:04. > :02:06.control. That has not been an expansion or abuse. It has settled
:02:07. > :02:15.down and become part of the furniture. That makes it easier for
:02:16. > :02:19.this Bill, to make the case for it. Religious people may still have a
:02:20. > :02:22.principled objection but most other people have a practical objection,
:02:23. > :02:26.which is how to put in place safeguards to deal with unscrupulous
:02:27. > :02:30.relatives or anyone else who wants to abuse this right? Once a
:02:31. > :02:35.controversial issue is only being opposed for practical reasons it is
:02:36. > :02:39.on its way to getting its way. What is the division, is it the Church
:02:40. > :02:47.against everybody else? Is it a right and left division? What is
:02:48. > :02:52.stopping it? It is a very difficult moral issue and there are people who
:02:53. > :02:58.can have genuinely held Christian beliefs or non-Christian beliefs who
:02:59. > :03:02.can be on both sides. I think that the Lord Carey intervention is
:03:03. > :03:06.potentially a game changer not just because he is a former Archbishop of
:03:07. > :03:10.Canterbury but because he was on the Evan Jellicoe side of the Church of
:03:11. > :03:17.England. That is quite a big move. The response was to say, please
:03:18. > :03:22.withdraw your bell and let us have a royal Commission. The Supreme Court
:03:23. > :03:26.kicked the ball back to Parliament when they rejected the cases of
:03:27. > :03:32.three people who had been taking the case and said, we could say that
:03:33. > :03:37.banning the right to life is against the European Court of Human Rights,
:03:38. > :03:46.but it is a moral issue and an issue for Parliament. Parliament needs to
:03:47. > :03:51.decide. The data act that is going to be pushed through Parliament In
:03:52. > :03:59.record time. To comply with a European court judgement. Tom Watson
:04:00. > :04:04.and David Davis, some dissent. Are you so prized with how united the
:04:05. > :04:11.establishment, left, right and centre is? No. There is a great
:04:12. > :04:16.quote saying this has been enacted under the something must be done act
:04:17. > :04:22.and that captures it exactly. Even Cameron says he does not want to
:04:23. > :04:26.look people in the eye and say that he did not do everything he could.
:04:27. > :04:30.There is no end to the power of surveillance. It is all was about
:04:31. > :04:34.drawing a distinction. I am always suspicious when politicians look
:04:35. > :04:41.something up and said, we have all agreed. Are there at the centre is
:04:42. > :04:50.right or is the political establishment right? I think the
:04:51. > :04:56.establishment is right. I think it is stronger than other issues. We
:04:57. > :04:58.are in a unique position where all three political parties have
:04:59. > :05:03.relatively recent experience of government so they now that security
:05:04. > :05:10.threats are not made up by unscrupulous people. The legislation
:05:11. > :05:16.being proposed is not dramatic, it is to fill a gap that was created. I
:05:17. > :05:22.do not see the political controversy. All three political
:05:23. > :05:30.parties support it. David Davis and Liberty are against that, and always
:05:31. > :05:34.are. Would you not have expected... The Lib Dems are in government, but
:05:35. > :05:41.a bit more rebellion on the Labour backbenches? There is no political
:05:42. > :05:47.controversy put outside parliament there's quite a lot of controversy
:05:48. > :05:53.about this. My paper has taken an interest in this. It is interesting,
:05:54. > :06:02.it does not feel, it is not a 1950s, three public school boys
:06:03. > :06:06.setting, let us have this deal. The Liberal Democrats and Labour have
:06:07. > :06:13.serious questions. There's going to be a sunset clause that will run out
:06:14. > :06:19.in 2016. The Liberal Democrats, who asked pretty tough questions, have
:06:20. > :06:20.said there are assurances. Ed Miliband did not go to public
:06:21. > :06:24.school. For many English football fans,
:06:25. > :06:26.tonight's World Cup final presents How do you pick
:06:27. > :06:30.between two traditional foes Well, if you're
:06:31. > :06:33.a political obsessive, like these three, you could always back the
:06:34. > :06:36.nation according to how it votes. The website LabourList has produced
:06:37. > :06:51.a political guide to the tournament. At the beginning of the tournament,
:06:52. > :06:56.it was a fairly balanced playing field politically with 15 left wing
:06:57. > :07:00.and 17 right-wing countries. England found themselves isolated in a group
:07:01. > :07:06.with three left-wing countries. That was the least of their problems
:07:07. > :07:09.There was a clear domination of democratic regimes over
:07:10. > :07:11.authoritarian with only six of oratory and countries making it
:07:12. > :07:21.through to the finals and the only all authoritarian tie was dubbed the
:07:22. > :07:25.worst match of the World Cup. By the second round 16 teams remained. The
:07:26. > :07:30.left had a clear advantage with nine, seven from the right and
:07:31. > :07:35.authoritarian countries all but wiped out. Two representatives
:07:36. > :07:43.remained. Both were beaten by European democracies. By the
:07:44. > :07:50.semi-finals, all was even Stephen. A right-wing Protestant Europe taking
:07:51. > :07:55.on Catholics South America. With one victory apiece, Germany knocking out
:07:56. > :08:00.Brazil and Argentina beating the Dutch, tonight's final repeats that
:08:01. > :08:10.pattern. Who will win? Angela Merkel's Germany or Argentina?
:08:11. > :08:12.We're joined now by Britain's only Labour adviser
:08:13. > :08:26.Should we read political significance in to the fact that the
:08:27. > :08:31.only time England has won the World Cup was under a Labour government?
:08:32. > :08:36.Of course. The problem is we did not qualify for Euro 2008 when it was a
:08:37. > :08:42.Labour government. We have had some pretty shoddy results under a Labour
:08:43. > :08:46.government. As someone under the left, are you backing Argentina
:08:47. > :08:52.Absolutely not. I do not think it has anything to do with politics. It
:08:53. > :09:00.is a bit of fun. People should choose it is Don Hoop plays the best
:09:01. > :09:05.football and the Germans have been fantastic. They were great in 2 10
:09:06. > :09:10.as well. They started this model in 2008 and that is the sort of thing
:09:11. > :09:15.people should be supporting. Who should a Eurosceptic support? I
:09:16. > :09:20.would not say Argentina because that is the country that has tried to
:09:21. > :09:28.seize British sovereign territory within my lifetime. You were not
:09:29. > :09:32.around for the Blitz. Believe it or not, I was not. There is a strong
:09:33. > :09:44.political case to support Germany. They are probably going to win the
:09:45. > :09:48.World Cup with a clear of -- with players of Polish origin. That sort
:09:49. > :09:56.of cultural change they have forced themselves to go through... You talk
:09:57. > :10:02.about them being right wing, but in fact the way that the German league
:10:03. > :10:07.is structured, and I am an expert, is based on ownership. It is very
:10:08. > :10:16.different from the Premier League. It is about football as a usual
:10:17. > :10:24.good. The ticket prices are lower. The fans are involved in running the
:10:25. > :10:27.club. It is a model that all English football clubs should emulate.
:10:28. > :10:32.Germany had a strong football team under centre right governments and
:10:33. > :10:44.centre left governments and a coalition. A strong football team
:10:45. > :10:48.and a strong economy. The Conservative MP who is the arch
:10:49. > :10:51.Eurosceptic wanted to get us out of the European Union and was for a few
:10:52. > :10:57.weeks ago when people were making jokes about Jean-Claude Juncker he
:10:58. > :11:03.was outraged and said you should not do that, so he could happily support
:11:04. > :11:08.Germany. What was interesting about the authoritarian and democratic
:11:09. > :11:20.regimes, what is great is that the World Cup is run by this open and
:11:21. > :11:26.democratic organisation Fifa. It is similar to the EU in many regards.
:11:27. > :11:35.Two countries led by women. Maybe gender is the thing. We did not win
:11:36. > :11:40.under Margaret Thatcher. There's one big difference with the EU, you
:11:41. > :11:48.cannot flog six Dom Acta gets to go to a European summit. Did you know
:11:49. > :11:57.that Italy won two world cups under Mussolini? Can we draw any
:11:58. > :12:03.conclusions between a political system and the performance of the
:12:04. > :12:06.football team? You can draw certain parallels between maybe national
:12:07. > :12:14.cliches, so the Germans are efficient and effective, which might
:12:15. > :12:18.reflect and the English are very polite so we let everyone score
:12:19. > :12:23.first and go into the second round. We put ourselves at the back of the
:12:24. > :12:35.queue. Is England going to qualify for the European? We are going to
:12:36. > :12:38.win the European Championship. The first country Scotland have to play
:12:39. > :12:51.is Germany. What could possibly go wrong? Who is going to win? Germany.
:12:52. > :12:55.Germany. I am going to put a few bob on Argentina. Are you going to be
:12:56. > :13:02.watching? Absolutely. Thank you This is the last Sunday Politics
:13:03. > :13:07.for the summer. But we'll be back in early autumn
:13:08. > :13:10.and our first programme will be live from Scotland,
:13:11. > :13:16.the weekend before the referendum The Daily Politics is back tomorrow
:13:17. > :13:21.at noon and we'll bring you the last PMQs before the summer
:13:22. > :13:24.on Wednesday morning from 11:30am. Remember, if it's Sunday,
:13:25. > :13:27.it's the Sunday Politics, unless