:00:36. > :00:39.Morning folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics.
:00:40. > :00:42.Theresa May says she wants to help people who are
:00:43. > :00:45."just about managing" - so should she reverse
:00:46. > :00:47.George Osborne's cuts to benefits that are supposed to help people
:00:48. > :00:54.Prominent London Imam Shakeel Begg is an extremist speaker,
:00:55. > :00:57.says the High Court, after claims made on this programme.
:00:58. > :01:02.So why is Mr Begg still being allowed to advise the Police?
:01:03. > :01:07.Hillary Clinton fights back over the FBI's renewed investigation
:01:08. > :01:10.into her use of a private email server - is this the boost
:01:11. > :01:17.Cleaner air for our cities. chances of winning the White House?
:01:18. > :01:20.Plans to crack down on polltting vehicles and bring in
:01:21. > :01:25.Now it is just a question of building that runway with the
:01:26. > :01:32.political problems that lie ahead. And haunting the studio
:01:33. > :01:34.on this Halloween weekend, the most terrifying political
:01:35. > :01:36.panel in the business - Tim 'Ghost' Shipman,
:01:37. > :01:39.'Eerie' Isabel Oakeshott and First this morning, two
:01:40. > :01:48.new models of car to be built, securing 7,000 jobs at the car plant
:01:49. > :01:51.in Sunderland and a further 28, 00 The news from Nissan on Thursday
:01:52. > :01:58.was seized on by Leave campaigners as evidence that the British
:01:59. > :02:00.economy is in rude health This morning, the Business
:02:01. > :02:04.Secretary, Greg Clark, was asked what assurances were given
:02:05. > :02:07.to the Japanese firm's bosses Well, it's in no-one's the interest
:02:08. > :02:14.for there to be tariff barriers to the continent
:02:15. > :02:19.and vice versa. So, what I said is that our
:02:20. > :02:22.objective would be to ensure that we have continued access to the markets
:02:23. > :02:28.in Europe and vice versa, without tariffs and without
:02:29. > :02:32.bureaucratic impediments. That is how we will approach
:02:33. > :02:35.those negotiations. We're joined now from Newcastle
:02:36. > :02:49.by the Shadow Business Welcome to the programme. Labour has
:02:50. > :02:53.been a bit sceptical about this Nissan decision. Can we begin by
:02:54. > :02:58.making it clear just what a great achievement this is, above all for
:02:59. > :03:03.the workers of Sunderland who have some of the highest productivity in
:03:04. > :03:08.the world, have never been on strike for 30 years, and produce cars of
:03:09. > :03:14.incredible quality. This is their victory, isn't it? Andrew, you are
:03:15. > :03:16.absolutely right. The Nissan plant in Sunderland is among the most
:03:17. > :03:21.productive in the world. The workers of Nissan are amongst the most
:03:22. > :03:28.productive as well. And it's really a victory for them and for the trade
:03:29. > :03:30.unions and the business organisations, and everybody who
:03:31. > :03:36.campaigned to make sure that the government couldn't ignore their
:03:37. > :03:41.future. It's our future. I'm the MP for Newcastle. It makes a huge
:03:42. > :03:45.difference to the region. We are a region that still likes to make
:03:46. > :03:50.things that work. It is a huge part of our advanced manufacturing
:03:51. > :03:55.sector. So it's really something we welcome as well as the job security.
:03:56. > :04:00.I'm glad we have got that on the record from the Labour shadow
:04:01. > :04:03.business secretary. But your Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, claims
:04:04. > :04:09.the government is ignoring manufacturers and cares only about a
:04:10. > :04:12.small banking elite. In what way is safeguarding 30,000 industrial jobs
:04:13. > :04:17.in the North safeguarding a financial elite? As I said, we're
:04:18. > :04:21.really pleased that the campaigning by trade unions and the workforce,
:04:22. > :04:25.and business organisations, meant the government felt they couldn t
:04:26. > :04:29.ignore Nissan workers. Let's also be clear that we want that kind of job
:04:30. > :04:34.security for all of those working in manufacturing and in other sectors
:04:35. > :04:39.as well. And sweetheart deals for one company, no matter how important
:04:40. > :04:44.they are, that does not an industrial strategy make. Why'd you
:04:45. > :04:50.say it is a sweetheart deal? Greg Clark told the BBC this morning that
:04:51. > :04:54.what was assured to Nissan is an assurance he gives to the whole
:04:55. > :05:00.industrial sector? I was really pleased to see Greg Clark felt he
:05:01. > :05:05.had to say something, even though it's sad that we having our
:05:06. > :05:08.industrial strategy, you like, or our approach to Brexit delivered
:05:09. > :05:13.piecemeal to the media rather than to the British people and Nissan,
:05:14. > :05:17.actually. But he want published the letter. He said he has told us what
:05:18. > :05:21.is in the letter and that reassurances given on training, on
:05:22. > :05:26.science and on supporting the supply chain for the automated sector. You
:05:27. > :05:31.must be in favour all -- of all of that? We are in favour of an
:05:32. > :05:40.industrial strategy. Greg Clark unlike Sajid Javid, cannot say
:05:41. > :05:46.industrial strategy. I'm still puzzling to find out what it is you
:05:47. > :05:49.disagree with. Let me put the question. You said the assurances he
:05:50. > :05:54.has given to Nissan are available to the car manufacturing sector in
:05:55. > :06:00.general and indeed to industry in general. What is your problem with
:06:01. > :06:04.that? Two things. Let him publish the letter so we can see that, let
:06:05. > :06:10.him have the transparency he's pretending to offer. But also, we
:06:11. > :06:17.need an industrial strategy that values -- that is values based and
:06:18. > :06:24.joined. He talked about electric cars and supporting green cars. That
:06:25. > :06:28.was in regard to Nissan. At the same time the government has slashed
:06:29. > :06:32.support for other areas of green technology. So what is it? That is
:06:33. > :06:38.not to do with the Nissan deal. Labour implied at some stage there
:06:39. > :06:42.was some financial inducement, some secret bribes, that doesn't seem to
:06:43. > :06:47.be the case. You are not claiming that any more -- any more. Then you
:06:48. > :06:52.claimed it was a sweetheart deal for one company. That turns out not to
:06:53. > :06:58.be the case. What criticism are you left with on this Nissan deal? I
:06:59. > :07:05.would be really surprised if all that Nissan got was the reassurances
:07:06. > :07:10.that Greg Clark is shared with us. He didn't answer the question of
:07:11. > :07:13.what happens if we can't get continued tariff free access to the
:07:14. > :07:18.single market, if we are not within the single market or the Customs
:07:19. > :07:23.Union. Do you really think a negotiator like Nissan, who are very
:07:24. > :07:25.good at negotiating, they would have excepted making this significant
:07:26. > :07:31.investment without some further reassurances? Do you think there is
:07:32. > :07:36.some kind of financial bride and if so what is the evidence? I would
:07:37. > :07:42.like to see the letter published and I would also like to understand what
:07:43. > :07:46.would happen... There are 27 countries which need to agree with
:07:47. > :07:50.the deal we have from Brexit. What will Nissan, how will Nissan remain
:07:51. > :07:56.competitive? How will the automotive industry remain competitive? Greg
:07:57. > :08:00.Clark says he reassured them on that. But how will that be so if we
:08:01. > :08:09.do not get access? We haven't heard anything about that. He talks about
:08:10. > :08:13.reassurances given to Nissan. We need to make -- to know where we're
:08:14. > :08:16.going to make sure Brexit is in the interest of all workers, not only
:08:17. > :08:24.those who work for a Nissan and not only those who can get the attention
:08:25. > :08:26.of Greg Clark. He assured Nissan that Britain would remain a
:08:27. > :08:31.competitive place to do business. That was the main assurance he gave
:08:32. > :08:36.them. He would help with skills and infrastructure and all the rest
:08:37. > :08:40.Since you are -- intend to repeal the trade union laws that have made
:08:41. > :08:43.strikes in Britain largely a thing of the past, and you plan to raise
:08:44. > :08:48.corporation tax, you couldn't give Nissan the same assurance, could
:08:49. > :08:53.you? We could absolutely give Nissan the assurance that we will be, our
:08:54. > :08:57.vision of the future of the UK, is based on having a strong
:08:58. > :09:08.manufacturing sector. Repealing trade union laws? As we have seen at
:09:09. > :09:16.Nissan, the industrial sector is dependent on having highly trained,
:09:17. > :09:20.well skilled workers. -- highly skilled, well-trained. You don't
:09:21. > :09:24.have that by getting -- having an aggressive policy and trade union
:09:25. > :09:28.laws or by slashing corporation tax and not supporting manufacturing
:09:29. > :09:31.investment. Remember, the last government took away the
:09:32. > :09:36.Manufacturing allowances which supported Manufacturing and slashed
:09:37. > :09:40.corporation tax. That is their solution. It is a low tax, low skill
:09:41. > :09:45.economy they want. Thank you. Sorry I had to rush you.
:09:46. > :09:55.I'm grateful for you joining us I'm still struggling to see what is
:09:56. > :09:59.left of Labour's criticism? Yeah, except for this. This was a valid
:10:00. > :10:03.point she just made. What we know for sure is that Greg Clark could
:10:04. > :10:09.say to Nissan, my aim is to get tariff free deal. There is no way he
:10:10. > :10:13.could guarantee that. None of us know that. I don't think that was
:10:14. > :10:20.enough. I think clearly there was a more detailed package involving
:10:21. > :10:24.training and other things. He has acknowledged this, albeit we do not
:10:25. > :10:28.know the precise mechanism. What I think is interesting about this is
:10:29. > :10:31.if you reverse what happened this week, at a time when the government
:10:32. > :10:36.says Britain is open for business and it is going to have an
:10:37. > :10:40.industrial strategy, so far it is a bit vaguely defined. Nissan hadn't
:10:41. > :10:43.made this commitment. Imagine what would have happened? It is an
:10:44. > :10:50.impossible scenario. The government seems to me was obliged to make sure
:10:51. > :10:53.this didn't happen. Let's not forget Nissan has invested hundreds of
:10:54. > :10:58.millions in the north-east. It has been a huge success story. When I
:10:59. > :11:02.spoke to workers from Nissan, they were so proud because they went to
:11:03. > :11:06.Japan to teach the Japanese had to be more productive. The idea that
:11:07. > :11:10.Nissan was just going to walk away from this given its track record,
:11:11. > :11:16.its importance, wasn't really credible. The government had some
:11:17. > :11:20.bargaining chips. Absolutely, of course they weren't going to walk
:11:21. > :11:24.away. The majority of people in the area in which Nissan is braced -
:11:25. > :11:29.based, voted for Brexit. Nissan knows it is in a powerful position
:11:30. > :11:32.because it is an emotive sector Clearly the government didn't want
:11:33. > :11:38.to have some big showdown. I honestly don't think this is a
:11:39. > :11:41.smoking gun. The Labour Shadow minister really struggled to
:11:42. > :11:44.articulate what exactly she thinks the government is hiding. I think
:11:45. > :11:49.the reassurances were given were pretty anodyne, really. They were
:11:50. > :11:52.anodyne and general. And what Greg Clark was setting out was an
:11:53. > :11:56.objective and he made the right noises, and Nissan exercised its
:11:57. > :12:03.right to sabre rattle. It does have a history of doing that. The one
:12:04. > :12:06.thing that would now be clear given Greg Clark's performance this
:12:07. > :12:09.morning on the BBC, is that if we were to discover some kind of
:12:10. > :12:14.financial incentive directly linked to this investment, not more for
:12:15. > :12:19.skills or infrastructure, that is fine, but some direct financial
:12:20. > :12:21.investment, compensation for tariffs, which would be illegal
:12:22. > :12:27.under World Trade Organisation rules, what you might call a
:12:28. > :12:31.financial bride, the sect -- the business Secretary's position would
:12:32. > :12:34.be untenable? He would be in a very difficult position indeed. Just
:12:35. > :12:38.released the letter. There is nothing to hide. Put it out there.
:12:39. > :12:44.The most revealing thing is that people are getting wildly excited
:12:45. > :12:47.about the fact Greg Clark announced Britain's negotiating position would
:12:48. > :12:51.be that we would like tariff free trade with Europe. This is regarded
:12:52. > :12:54.as an insight into what this comment is doing and it says a great deal
:12:55. > :13:00.about how little we have been told in Parliament and the media about
:13:01. > :13:04.what they are up. Do you think it is exciting we are going for tariff
:13:05. > :13:11.free trade? We're easily excited these days. We don't know. This is
:13:12. > :13:15.where these things are at such a tentative phase. We don't know how
:13:16. > :13:21.the rest of the European Union is going to respond to Britain's
:13:22. > :13:26.negotiating hand. We know Britain once the best of everything, please.
:13:27. > :13:31.It is a starting point. But that is not how it is going to end up. We
:13:32. > :13:33.are getting wider than that. We have will have to see.
:13:34. > :13:35.Now, Universal Credit, a single payment made to welfare
:13:36. > :13:38.claimants that would roll together a plethora of benefits whilst
:13:39. > :13:40.encouraging people into work by making work pay.
:13:41. > :13:42.But have cuts to the flagship welfare scheme reduced work
:13:43. > :13:48.incentives and hit the incomes of the least well-off?
:13:49. > :13:50.Well, some of the government's own MPs think so, and,
:13:51. > :13:57.as Mark Lobel reports, want the cuts reversed.
:13:58. > :14:00.Theresa May says she wants a country that works
:14:01. > :14:04.for everyone, that's on the side of ordinary, working people.
:14:05. > :14:07.It means never writing off people who can work and consigning them
:14:08. > :14:10.to a life on benefits, but giving them the chance to go out
:14:11. > :14:13.and earn a living and to enjoy the dignity that comes
:14:14. > :14:19.But now some in her party are worried that the low earners
:14:20. > :14:24.will be hit by changes to Universal Credit benefit system
:14:25. > :14:26.originally set up to encourage more people into work.
:14:27. > :14:29.We also need to focus tax credits and Universal Credit
:14:30. > :14:36.Concern centred on the Government's decision in the July 2015 budget
:14:37. > :14:45.to find ?3 billion worth of savings from the Universal Credit bill.
:14:46. > :14:47.Conservative MP Heidi Allen is working on a campaign to get MPs
:14:48. > :14:55.in her party to urge the Prime Minister to think again.
:14:56. > :14:58.I want her to understand for herself what the outcomes might
:14:59. > :15:00.be if we press ahead with the Universal Credit,
:15:01. > :15:04.Do you think Theresa May, right now, understands what you understand
:15:05. > :15:07.To be fair, unless you really get into the detail,
:15:08. > :15:10.and I have through my work on the Work and Pensions
:15:11. > :15:11.Select Committee, I don't think anybody does.
:15:12. > :15:17.Independent economic analysts at the IFS agree with Heidi Alan
:15:18. > :15:22.that cuts to Universal Credit weaken incentives to work.
:15:23. > :15:24.One of the key parts of the Universal Credit system
:15:25. > :15:28.That is how much you can earn before your credit
:15:29. > :15:31.As the Government has sought to save money,
:15:32. > :15:33.both under the Coalition and now they Conservative Government,
:15:34. > :15:35.both under the Coalition and now the Conservative Government,
:15:36. > :15:37.that work allowance has been cut, time and time again.
:15:38. > :15:40.The biggest cuts happened in the summer budget of 2015.
:15:41. > :15:42.That basically reduces the amount of earnings you get to keep
:15:43. > :15:46.It weakens the incentive people have to move into work.
:15:47. > :15:48.What do changes to the Universal Credit system mean?
:15:49. > :15:51.The Resolution Foundation think tank has crunched the numbers.
:15:52. > :15:55.If you compare what would have happened before the July 2015 summer
:15:56. > :15:58.budget to what will happen by 2 20, even if you take into account gains
:15:59. > :16:00.in the National Living Wage and income tax cuts,
:16:01. > :16:05.recipients will be hit by annual deductions.
:16:06. > :16:09.Couples and parents would receive, on average, ?1000 less.
:16:10. > :16:11.A dual-earning couple with two children under four,
:16:12. > :16:14.with one partner working full-time on ?10.50 an hour and the other
:16:15. > :16:17.working part-time on the minimum wage for around 20
:16:18. > :16:24.hours a week, they would receive ?1800 less.
:16:25. > :16:27.Hit most by the changes would be a single parent
:16:28. > :16:28.with a child under four, working full-time
:16:29. > :16:42.I think, if I'm honest, it is unrealistic, given
:16:43. > :16:45.the economic climate, to expect everything to be reversed.
:16:46. > :16:51.What I would like to see is an increase in the work
:16:52. > :16:54.allowances to those people who will be hardest hit.
:16:55. > :16:57.That is single parents and second earners hoping to return to work,
:16:58. > :16:59.because they are the people we need to absolutely make
:17:00. > :17:04.The Sunday Politics understands that about 15 to 20 Conservative MPs
:17:05. > :17:07.are pushing for changes ahead of the Autumn Statement.
:17:08. > :17:11.A former cabinet minister told us that they believed further impact
:17:12. > :17:13.analysis should be done to find out if any mitigation measures
:17:14. > :17:20.Former Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, an architect
:17:21. > :17:24.of the system, now says the cuts should be reversed.
:17:25. > :17:29.But his former department has told us that it has no plans to revisit
:17:30. > :17:34.the work allowance changes announced in the budget last year.
:17:35. > :17:38.What I would say to Heidi Allen and IDS, they got it right the first
:17:39. > :17:40.time and they should stick to the vote they cast last year
:17:41. > :17:42.because these reforms actually do make sense.
:17:43. > :17:45.What interests me is the fact we are trying to move people
:17:46. > :17:47.off welfare into work, we are raising the wages people
:17:48. > :17:50.earn by massively increasing the minimum wage and this
:17:51. > :17:53.People are coming off welfare and into work.
:17:54. > :17:56.Campaigners are pushing for savings to come from other areas to relieve
:17:57. > :18:02.The other thing we have to start looking at is the triple
:18:03. > :18:06.Financially it has been a great policy, and it was absolutely right
:18:07. > :18:08.that we lifted pensioners who were significantly behind,
:18:09. > :18:11.for many years, in terms of income levels, but they have
:18:12. > :18:16.I think it is time for us to look at that policy again,
:18:17. > :18:18.because is costing us an awful lot of money.
:18:19. > :18:21.With just over three weeks to wait until the Conservative leadership's
:18:22. > :18:24.new economic plan is unveiled in the Autumn Statement,
:18:25. > :18:28.its top team is under pressure from within its own ranks to use it
:18:29. > :18:37.And I'm joined now by former Work and Pensions Secretary,
:18:38. > :18:45.Welcome back to the programme. Theresa May said she is on the side
:18:46. > :18:50.of the just managing, the working poor. But they are about to be hit
:18:51. > :18:54.from all sides. Their modest living standards are going to be squeezed
:18:55. > :18:58.as inflation overtakes pay rises, they will be further squeezed
:18:59. > :19:01.because top-up benefits in work are frozen. Incentives to work are going
:19:02. > :19:06.to be reduced by the cuts in universal benefits. So much for
:19:07. > :19:11.being on the side of those just managing? Theresa was right to focus
:19:12. > :19:18.on this group. The definition has to be the bottom half, in economic
:19:19. > :19:22.terms, of the social structure. It doesn't look good for them? This is
:19:23. > :19:26.the point I am making, it is an opportunity to put some of this
:19:27. > :19:28.right. One of the reasons I resigned in March is because I felt the
:19:29. > :19:32.direction of travel we had been going in had been to take far too
:19:33. > :19:36.much money out of that group of people when there are other areas
:19:37. > :19:40.which, if you need to make some of those savings, you can. The key bit
:19:41. > :19:43.is that the group needs to be helped through into work and encouraged to
:19:44. > :19:47.stay in work. There was a report done with the IFS, when we were
:19:48. > :19:53.there, at Universal Credit. It said Universal Credit rolled out, as it
:19:54. > :19:57.should have been before the cuts, people would be much more likely to
:19:58. > :20:01.stay in work longer and earn more money. It is a net positive, but
:20:02. > :20:06.that is now called into question. Let's unpick some of the detail but
:20:07. > :20:09.first, do you accept the words of David Willets? It says on the basis
:20:10. > :20:16.of the things I read out to you that the just managing face a significant
:20:17. > :20:21.and painful cut in real terms if we continue on the way we are going. I
:20:22. > :20:29.do, in essence. That is the reason why I resigned. I felt Heidi raised
:20:30. > :20:33.that issue as well, that we got the balance wrong. It is right that
:20:34. > :20:37.pensioners get to a certain point, when they are on a level par, doing
:20:38. > :20:42.the right thing over five years Staying with that process has cost
:20:43. > :20:51.us ?18 billion extra this year, in total. It will go on costing another
:20:52. > :20:55.5 billion. Then there is the issue of tax allowances. I want to remind
:20:56. > :21:02.you and viewers what David Cameron told the Conservative conference in
:21:03. > :21:07.2009. If you are a single mother with two children, earning ?150 a
:21:08. > :21:11.week, the withdrawal of your benefits and the additional taxes
:21:12. > :21:19.that you pay me on that for every extra you earn, you keep just 4p.
:21:20. > :21:24.What kind of incentive is that? 30 years ago, this party won and
:21:25. > :21:34.election fighting against 98% tax rates for the Rex richest. I want us
:21:35. > :21:39.today to show even more anger about 96% tax rates for the very poorest
:21:40. > :21:45.in our country. Real anger, and effective rate of over 90%.
:21:46. > :21:49.Universal Credit reduces that. Some will still face, as they lose
:21:50. > :21:54.benefits and pay tax, a marginal rate of over 75%. That is still too
:21:55. > :21:58.high? Yes, it is the collision between those going into work at the
:21:59. > :22:03.moment they start paying tax. A racial Universal Credit is set at
:22:04. > :22:09.65%. You can call that the base marginal tax rate. 1.2 million will
:22:10. > :22:13.face 75%? That is the point about why the allowances are so important.
:22:14. > :22:16.The point about the allowances which viewers might not fully understand
:22:17. > :22:20.is that it was set, as part of Universal Credit, to allow you to
:22:21. > :22:23.get certain people, with certain difficulties, as they cross into
:22:24. > :22:31.work, to retain more benefit before it is tapered away as they go up in
:22:32. > :22:34.hours. A lone parent, who might have various issues, you want her to have
:22:35. > :22:38.a bigger incentive than a single person that does not have the same
:22:39. > :22:42.commitments. It is structured so that somebody who has difficulty
:22:43. > :22:45.going to work, they all have slightly different rates. What
:22:46. > :22:48.happened is that last year a decision was taken to reduce tax
:22:49. > :22:52.credits, and, on the back of that, to reduce allowances. I believe
:22:53. > :22:58.given everything that happened now, we need to restore that to the point
:22:59. > :23:01.where it helps those people crossing over. You say a decision was taken,
:23:02. > :23:06.it was a decision by the former Chancellor George Osborne in the
:23:07. > :23:10.summer budget. Other decisions were taken in successive Budgets to raise
:23:11. > :23:13.the Universal Credit budget, which resulted in the disincentive being
:23:14. > :23:19.higher than many people wanted. Do you accept that has been the
:23:20. > :23:21.consequence of his decisions? I was in the Government, we take
:23:22. > :23:25.collective responsibility. I argued this was not the right way to go,
:23:26. > :23:28.but when you are in you have to stay with it if you lose that argument.
:23:29. > :23:32.There was another attempt before the spending review last year to
:23:33. > :23:37.increase the taper, so the marginal rate would have gone up. I managed
:23:38. > :23:41.to stop that. I'm Sibley saying what we made as a decision last
:23:42. > :23:46.year, given the circumstances and given that the net effect of all of
:23:47. > :23:49.that, I think it is time for the Government to ask the question, if
:23:50. > :23:54.we are in this to help that group of people, Universal Credit is
:23:55. > :23:56.singularly the most powerful tool. One of the Argentine aid in the
:23:57. > :24:02.paper published on Thursday, we are set going on doing two more races of
:24:03. > :24:08.the tax threshold, taking more people out of tax. That has a
:24:09. > :24:14.diminishing effect on the bottom section. Only 25p in that tax rate
:24:15. > :24:19.will help any of those. Most of it goes to middle income? You and I
:24:20. > :24:22.will benefit more from that. With Universal Credit, every pound you
:24:23. > :24:26.put into that will go to the bottom five tenths. That is why I designed
:24:27. > :24:31.it like that. He pressed the button and immediately start to changed
:24:32. > :24:34.circumstances. Should the cuts in Universal Credit that Mr Osborne
:24:35. > :24:40.introduced, against your argument, should they be reversed? I believe
:24:41. > :24:43.so. I believe you can do it even if there is concern about spending I
:24:44. > :24:47.don't believe you need to go through with the continuing raise the tax
:24:48. > :24:55.threshold. Cost is dependent on inflation, but give or take. It is
:24:56. > :25:00.in the Tory manifesto? Has more than doubled. What is in the manifesto,
:25:01. > :25:06.and Lasse Prime Minister made this clear in conference, we want to
:25:07. > :25:09.improve the life chances of people. Today's announcement on the Green
:25:10. > :25:13.paper is what I wrote over the last two and a half years. Big changes
:25:14. > :25:17.necessary to how we deal with sickness benefit. That can now be
:25:18. > :25:20.done because of Universal Credit, because people can go back to work
:25:21. > :25:24.and it tapers away their benefits. It is the most powerful tool to sort
:25:25. > :25:30.our people that live in poverty Universal Credit. We need to make
:25:31. > :25:32.sure it lands positively. If Mr Osborne's cuts were reversed, what
:25:33. > :25:37.you and some of your backbench Tory colleagues want to do, how would
:25:38. > :25:43.that improve the incentives of the working poor, as they try to get on
:25:44. > :25:49.in life? They have to pay more tax, they lose some benefits. How would
:25:50. > :25:53.it improve it? Would many still face a 75% rate? The key question is
:25:54. > :25:58.first and foremost, as people move through income to the point where
:25:59. > :26:01.they are getting taxed, that group will be enormously benefited by the
:26:02. > :26:07.re-emergence of these allowances at the right level. That is what the
:26:08. > :26:11.IFS have said, that is what the Resolution Foundation are saying,
:26:12. > :26:15.and the Centre For Social Justice is saying. You have to get that group,
:26:16. > :26:19.because they are most likely to be drifting into poverty and less
:26:20. > :26:25.incomes are right. Would it help those who face a 75% margin? We
:26:26. > :26:29.don't face that. Exactly right. People much poorer than us do. I
:26:30. > :26:38.would love to get the marginal rate down to testify percent, and lower,.
:26:39. > :26:41.-- down to 65%. It is a balance of how you spend the money. I would
:26:42. > :26:49.prefer to do that rather than necessarily go ahead with threshold
:26:50. > :26:54.razors. I think the coronation of the marginal reduction of 65%,
:26:55. > :26:57.getting it down to 60%, plus more allowances, will allow Universal
:26:58. > :27:01.Credit to get to the group that is going to be, and the report written
:27:02. > :27:05.by the IFS and ourselves, it shows it is going to be the most dynamic
:27:06. > :27:09.and direct ability of a Government to be able to influence the way that
:27:10. > :27:16.people improve their incomes in the bottom five deciles. Would you take
:27:17. > :27:22.on extra work if you knew you were going to lose 75% of it? Even 6 %?
:27:23. > :27:27.This has been my argument all along. Universal Credit can help that
:27:28. > :27:32.enormously. One point that goes missing, 70% of the bottom five
:27:33. > :27:34.deciles will be on Universal Credit. Whatever change you make to
:27:35. > :27:40.Universal Credit has a dramatic and immediate effect I am arguing,
:27:41. > :27:44.genuinely, it is time to rethink this. The Prime Minister wants to
:27:45. > :27:48.make this a priority. I am completely with her on this. I think
:27:49. > :27:53.she made a really good start. To deliver this, we need to... You have
:27:54. > :27:57.a lot of work to do to deliver it. Because it is a manifesto
:27:58. > :28:02.commitment, or because they want to do it, stopping increasing the
:28:03. > :28:05.personal allowances are not acceptable, what about bringing to
:28:06. > :28:11.an end, by the end of the parliament, the pension triple lock
:28:12. > :28:17.that pensioners enjoy to improve and put more money to the working poor?
:28:18. > :28:21.What about that? Well, you are absolutely right that there is now
:28:22. > :28:24.the danger, I think, of a mess balance between the generations
:28:25. > :28:28.Quite rightly at the beginning, when we came in, we have a commitment as
:28:29. > :28:34.a Conservative Party in a manifesto to get pensions back onto earnings.
:28:35. > :28:39.It was moved to a triple lock that guaranteed a minimum. What about
:28:40. > :28:43.ending up now? I understand it is a promise through the Parliament, but
:28:44. > :28:47.after 2020? I am in favour of getting it back to innings and
:28:48. > :28:52.allowing it to rise at reasonable levels. Moving from earnings to the
:28:53. > :28:56.triple lock has cost ?18 billion this year. Here was a high, under
:28:57. > :29:00.pressure, as the Government was scratching around to pay more money
:29:01. > :29:04.out of working age areas, when the budget was almost out of control on
:29:05. > :29:07.the pension side. I'm in favour of helping pensioners, but now they are
:29:08. > :29:11.up to a reasonable level, at a steady rate, that can be afforded by
:29:12. > :29:16.Government, which takes the pressure off, working age people have to pay
:29:17. > :29:27.for that. In years to come, time to end the triple lock
:29:28. > :29:31.and use the savings to help these people we have been talking about?
:29:32. > :29:33.As part of a load of packages, yes. It would also help with the
:29:34. > :29:36.intergenerational fairness argument. Thank you for being with us.
:29:37. > :29:39.Now, a prominent London Imam called Shakeel Begg -
:29:40. > :29:42.who is Chief Imam the Lewisham Islamic Centre - is an extremist.
:29:43. > :29:45.That was the verdict of the judge in a libel action that Mr Begg took
:29:46. > :29:48.against the BBC, after we described him as an Islamic extremist
:29:49. > :29:52.Mr Begg had complained about a short segment in an interview in November
:29:53. > :29:55.2013 with Farooq Murad, the then head of the Muslim Council
:29:56. > :29:57.of Britain, an organisation which claims to represent British
:29:58. > :30:03.In that interview, we described Mr Begg as an extremist speaker
:30:04. > :30:06.who had hailed jihad is the greatest of deeds.
:30:07. > :30:09.From his base of the Lewisham Islamic Centre, Mr Begg has been
:30:10. > :30:13.involved in a number of community organisations, including
:30:14. > :30:15.the Police Independent Advisory Group in Lewisham,
:30:16. > :30:20.Lewisham Council's Advisory Council on Religious Education
:30:21. > :30:23.and as a volunteer chaplain at Lewisham Hospital.
:30:24. > :30:28.But in his judgment, Mr Justice Haddon-Cave called
:30:29. > :30:32.Mr Begg a Jekyll and Hyde character - a trusted figure in his local
:30:33. > :30:35.community, but when talking to predominantly Muslim audiences
:30:36. > :30:40.he shed the cloak of respectability and revealed the horns of extremism.
:30:41. > :30:43.The judge cited one speech made by Mr Begg at a rally
:30:44. > :30:46.outside Belmarsh Prisonm- the high security prison that houses
:30:47. > :30:49.terrorists - as particularly sinister.
:30:50. > :30:51.The judge said the imam was expressing admiration and praise
:30:52. > :30:57.Following Friday's judgment, the hospital trust have told us that
:30:58. > :31:02.Mr Begg's status as a voluntary chaplain has been terminated.
:31:03. > :31:05.We have been told by Lewisham Council he is no longer
:31:06. > :31:07.on their Religious Education Committee.
:31:08. > :31:09.The Metropolitan Police have confirmed that
:31:10. > :31:14.Mr Begg remains a member of their Independent Advisory Group
:31:15. > :31:23.in Lewisham, as well as the borough's faith group.
:31:24. > :31:28.I am joined by Haras Rafiq, chief executive of the Quilliam
:31:29. > :31:35.Foundation. Welcome to the programme. I have here in my hand a
:31:36. > :31:41.statement from the trustees of the Lewisham Islamic Centre. They reject
:31:42. > :31:43.the judge's ruling as fanciful and say they are unequivocal and
:31:44. > :31:50.unwavering in their support of Shakeel Begg as their head imam
:31:51. > :31:54.What do you make of that? To be honest, it doesn't surprise me. At
:31:55. > :31:58.the end of the day he is only the imam of that mosque because he
:31:59. > :32:03.belongs to the same theological fundamentalist views that the mosque
:32:04. > :32:08.would portray. If they were to say he was an extremist, they would be
:32:09. > :32:12.saying in fact that they have allowed extremist preaching and
:32:13. > :32:17.extremist theology within their walls. I think this is a very
:32:18. > :32:24.important decision and a very important judgment by the judge
:32:25. > :32:28.First of all, these people like to operate in a linear, under a veneer
:32:29. > :32:33.of respectability. When that veneer is taken away, there are a number of
:32:34. > :32:37.things that can happen. First of all, the BBC did very well to stand
:32:38. > :32:44.by their guns and say, we're not going to be intimidated by somebody
:32:45. > :32:48.who is threatening to taking -- to take us to court for potential
:32:49. > :32:53.libel. Many other media companies have done that in the past and
:32:54. > :32:58.people have capitulated. Also, this has exposed him. Legally now, here's
:32:59. > :33:02.some deal can be classified as an extremist preacher, somebody who
:33:03. > :33:06.promotes religious violence. I think the mosque really needs to take a
:33:07. > :33:10.step back and say, how we part of the problem that we are facing
:33:11. > :33:19.within society? Or are we going to be part of the solution? It really
:33:20. > :33:24.concerns me. The High Court judge says that Mr Begg's speeches were
:33:25. > :33:31.consistent with an extremist Salafist is the most worldview. What
:33:32. > :33:41.is Salafist is and how widespread is it in UK mosques? -- mosque. It
:33:42. > :33:44.comes from the Middle East. It is from Saudi Arabia. The enemy for
:33:45. > :33:53.them was the old colonial Ottoman Empire. There is the quiet Salafist
:33:54. > :33:55.to get some with their lives, lives outside society. There is a
:33:56. > :33:59.revolutionary who tries to convert other people to their worldview And
:34:00. > :34:06.then there is the Salafist jihad ease. People like Islamic State etc.
:34:07. > :34:09.We have seen of increased in recent decades because of money that has,
:34:10. > :34:15.growing from the Middle East. When that is mixed with a political
:34:16. > :34:19.ideology, it becomes potent. Do we have a political -- particular
:34:20. > :34:25.problem in Britain with this in our mosques? Absolutely. Without the
:34:26. > :34:28.theology that says hate the other, hate other Muslims, that
:34:29. > :34:33.excommunicate other people, that says it is OK to fight and is good
:34:34. > :34:37.to fight when you have got an enemy, we wouldn't really have a jihadi
:34:38. > :34:45.problem. Really that is something we have to tackle. The number of
:34:46. > :34:49.mosques and institutions supporting Salafist and Islam is has been on
:34:50. > :34:54.the increase. Do we have a problem with what the judge called Jekyll
:34:55. > :35:00.and Hyde characters who hide their extremism except when they are
:35:01. > :35:05.speaking to specific groups? Absolutely. One of the things we
:35:06. > :35:09.have focused on in the past, a number of hate preachers now in
:35:10. > :35:13.prison, people like Anjem Choudary, and everybody focused on them. But
:35:14. > :35:17.there is a range of people operating under that level. People who will
:35:18. > :35:22.show one face to the community because they actually need that for
:35:23. > :35:26.a respectability. They need that for a legitimacy. They need that to
:35:27. > :35:30.operate. When they are behind closed doors and talking to their
:35:31. > :35:35.constitution, that is when you will see the real face of what these
:35:36. > :35:39.people believe. It is an increasing phenomenon. We are seeing it more.
:35:40. > :35:46.And we're going to carry on seeing it. Not just has the Lewisham mosque
:35:47. > :35:50.stuck by him, but given the clarity of the judge's ruling, are you
:35:51. > :35:55.surprised that the Metropolitan police would wish to continue with
:35:56. > :35:58.Mr Begg as an adviser? I'm absolutely shocked that that
:35:59. > :36:04.decision. What Uzzy going to do Advise them on how to deal with
:36:05. > :36:06.extremist preachers and promote religiously motivated violence? I
:36:07. > :36:12.don't know what he's going to advise them on. Because we now have a judge
:36:13. > :36:15.that has ruled against him and actually classified him as an
:36:16. > :36:20.extremist and somebody who promotes religious violence, we actually have
:36:21. > :36:25.a possibility for the CPS to actually prosecute him. There is a
:36:26. > :36:28.law that has been in place since 2005 called religiously motivated
:36:29. > :36:34.violence. If he has been classified as somebody who promotes this, there
:36:35. > :36:38.is a potential for the CPS to prosecute. I want to called into
:36:39. > :36:41.question other organisations, interfaith organisations, other
:36:42. > :36:48.Muslims groups, who say they want to fight extremism, I call on them to
:36:49. > :36:57.say, this guy is an extremist preacher, we should cut our ties
:36:58. > :37:01.from him. This was a very high risk strategy by the BBC. The exposure
:37:02. > :37:07.could have been over ?1.5 million of licence payers money. Will this make
:37:08. > :37:13.it more difficult for Jekyll and Hyde characters to behave as Mr Begg
:37:14. > :37:17.has behaved? Absolutely. It will do. One of the things they will now have
:37:18. > :37:24.to make sure is that they are a lot more careful. Careful with what they
:37:25. > :37:28.say to their own constituency. It won't solve the theological problem.
:37:29. > :37:32.But it will actually stop other people from operating in this manner
:37:33. > :37:36.and allow other media organisations to have the confidence to expose
:37:37. > :37:39.them when they do. Haras Rafiq, thank you for joining us.
:37:40. > :37:41.It's just gone 11.35, you're watching the Sunday Politics.
:37:42. > :37:44.We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now
:37:45. > :37:56.Cleaner air for our cities. the Week Ahead.
:37:57. > :37:59.Plans to crack down on polltting vehicles and bring in
:38:00. > :38:06.The price of freeing our cities from air pollution.
:38:07. > :38:09.Is it worth paying to invest in electric?
:38:10. > :38:11.And, what happens when the hairdressers who never vote went
:38:12. > :38:17.Simplify it a little bit more for us, definitely.
:38:18. > :38:20.Just speak as a normal person would rather than using all the f`ncy
:38:21. > :38:27.I'm Marie Ashby, and our gudsts this week, two politicians whose
:38:28. > :38:29.seats could disappear under boundary changes.
:38:30. > :38:31.Sitting comfortably now, Pauline Latham, Conservativd
:38:32. > :38:35.MP for Mid Derbyshire, and Vernon Coaker, who's
:38:36. > :38:43.First, a delegation of East Midlands businesses and politicians will be
:38:44. > :38:48.The idea is to make new contacts and sell the region
:38:49. > :38:52.It follows the news this wedk that the East Midlands has
:38:53. > :38:57.seen their second lowest growth in wages in the country.
:38:58. > :38:59.So, Pauline Latham, this trhp to China is being organised
:39:00. > :39:03.It sounds like they've got puite a big job on their hands
:39:04. > :39:05.here if they want to improve our economy.
:39:06. > :39:12.Well, obviously, we'd all lhke wages to be higher but this investment
:39:13. > :39:16.going into China will be good news for the whole region.
:39:17. > :39:24.In fact, Derby has a lot of trade with China.
:39:25. > :39:26.I think it's worth ?4.5 billion a year into Derbyshire.
:39:27. > :39:33.We need to build on that and, certainly in our area,
:39:34. > :39:36.we have John from Marketing Derby and some of his team,
:39:37. > :39:38.and the university are going, and the councils.
:39:39. > :39:40.I think that's really good news to go and promote Derbyshird.
:39:41. > :39:51.We need to promote the whold of the East Midlands.
:39:52. > :39:54.To be able to bring people in to invest in this area.
:39:55. > :39:55.That's really important for the whole region,
:39:56. > :39:59.We need to stimulate that and making sure we are working hard
:40:00. > :40:03.Vernon Coaker, we may be lagging behind in the East Midlands
:40:04. > :40:06.Nationally, it's the joint biggest rise since the financial crhsis
:40:07. > :40:09.I think, first of all, I think it's a really good hdea
:40:10. > :40:12.and very supportive of the concept of the Midlands Engine
:40:13. > :40:16.In the context in which we `re in, post-Brexit, in this world,
:40:17. > :40:19.we move to wherever we are going to end up as a country,
:40:20. > :40:21.it's important we fight for investment, we go out
:40:22. > :40:25.It's not just going to come into the East Midlands just
:40:26. > :40:39.The Chinese are looking for places to invest.
:40:40. > :40:41.We have big companies, Bomb`rdier, Rolls-Royce, JCB,
:40:42. > :40:43.as well as a plus of medium and small businesses.
:40:44. > :40:45.The plea I'd make, I think it's important,
:40:46. > :40:49.We need to see what we can do for medium and small
:40:50. > :40:53.How much of a difference cotld it make to our economy?
:40:54. > :40:56.It could make a huge differdnce if we can sell to China,
:40:57. > :40:57.which is an enormous market, and growing,
:40:58. > :41:00.and other countries as well, we need to go through the whole
:41:01. > :41:03.But that's a really important market.
:41:04. > :41:07.Companies like, as you say, the small and medium size,
:41:08. > :41:09.like Royal Crown Derby, they can go out there
:41:10. > :41:12.and sell their wares but yot have to build on these relationships
:41:13. > :41:15.You can't just go in and sax, I'm going to sell this,
:41:16. > :41:19.It takes a long time to build up a relationship.
:41:20. > :41:21.Another thing just to say vdry quickly, we shouldn't forget
:41:22. > :41:23.the huge number of students that come into higher
:41:24. > :41:27.To continue that is really hmportant for our region as well.
:41:28. > :41:30.Two of our cities have been told to bring in restrictions on vehicles
:41:31. > :41:34.The clean air zones will be introduced in Nottingham and Derby,
:41:35. > :41:37.which are in danger of failhng to meet European standards
:41:38. > :41:41.As our political editor, Tony Rowe, reports, there is a big push
:41:42. > :41:43.to encourage more environmentally friendly tr`vel
:41:44. > :41:52.A glimpse of the future or ` wrong turn which could hit business?
:41:53. > :42:00.As you can hear, there's a little bit of rolling noise,
:42:01. > :42:03.a bit of wind noise, but you can't hear anything
:42:04. > :42:07.Nottingham City Council is promoting electric cars, using them
:42:08. > :42:10.in the council's fleet and putting in charging points across the city.
:42:11. > :42:15.The main benefit for the city will be reduced emissions.
:42:16. > :42:17.Nottingham has an air quality problem, along with
:42:18. > :42:24.Electric cars means there are no emissions at source.
:42:25. > :42:30.This is one of 13 new electric buses on the streets of
:42:31. > :42:36.It gives the city the largest electric bus fleet in Europd.
:42:37. > :42:41.It's quite an investment at 300 grand a bus.
:42:42. > :42:43.Soon, they will be able to drive along here,
:42:44. > :42:47.Britain's first electrical vehicle only lane.
:42:48. > :42:50.Nottingham and Derby are among six cities the Government has ordered
:42:51. > :42:52.to cut down on air pollution to comply with European
:42:53. > :43:00.Low emission vehicles will have priority.
:43:01. > :43:05.High emission commercial vehicles like buses, HGVs and bands,
:43:06. > :43:08.vans, could be banned, or face a charge.
:43:09. > :43:10.This is something that is bding driven by government,
:43:11. > :43:15.We are supportive of it dond in the right way.
:43:16. > :43:18.We are supportive of the idda of controlling car usage,
:43:19. > :43:22.controlling certain types of high emissions vehicles.
:43:23. > :43:23.More importantly, prioritishng and incentivising
:43:24. > :43:30.The project in Nottingham and Derby is being backed by ?6 million
:43:31. > :43:36.Critics say it is more cash for costly green policies.
:43:37. > :43:39.The amount of subsidies going in to fighting climatd change,
:43:40. > :43:42.we are subsidising wind farms, subsidising
:43:43. > :43:50.We are now subsidising power points to connect our electric cars.
:43:51. > :43:53.I have no problem with electric cars and power points if they ard
:43:54. > :43:56.The point is, they're not commercially viable, otherwhse
:43:57. > :43:59.the local authority wouldn't be having to subsidise them.
:44:00. > :44:02.Environmentalists say the plans don't go far enough and all city
:44:03. > :44:14.Campaigners claim the Government had planned to include ten other
:44:15. > :44:15.city clean air zones, including Leicester,
:44:16. > :44:18.but dropped the idea after objections from the Treasury.
:44:19. > :44:21.It may be a glimpse of the future but it's not a vision
:44:22. > :44:35.Joining us now is Kat Boettge from the Green Party
:44:36. > :44:39.Will this emphasis on improving -- this emphasis on improving `ir
:44:40. > :44:42.quality and Nottingham and Derby, it's got to be good news,
:44:43. > :44:46.I don't think this is going far enough.
:44:47. > :44:50.Bear pollution is a huge issue for all of us.
:44:51. > :44:52.It's estimated over 50,000 people die a year down to air
:44:53. > :44:55.The Government of course would say are quality
:44:56. > :44:59.Since 2011, it's spent ?2 bhllion on greener transport.
:45:00. > :45:02.2013, Leicester was ninth and Nottingham elevenths
:45:03. > :45:05.for the worst cities in Europe regarding air pollution.
:45:06. > :45:09.Pauline Latham, it's not good enough.
:45:10. > :45:13.But we have to do it incremdntally because we can't afford
:45:14. > :45:17.We have to make improvements all the time.
:45:18. > :45:20.I'm very pleased that Derby is going to start tackling the poor
:45:21. > :45:25.quality are in the city and obviously Nottingham as well.
:45:26. > :45:29.The big criticism of this is it only for six cities.
:45:30. > :45:34.Once they sort themselves ott, there will probably be another six
:45:35. > :45:36.cities and another six cities on that.
:45:37. > :45:44.The country does not have enough money at the moment.
:45:45. > :45:46.People can make the change themselves.
:45:47. > :45:50.We can't take it any further because there is an enough loney.
:45:51. > :45:52.That's why the Treasury didn't expand this project and include
:45:53. > :45:58.It would be great if we did but we don't.
:45:59. > :46:03.We have to do it a bit at the time and to improve each city as we go
:46:04. > :46:09.I don't we can afford, economically speaking,
:46:10. > :46:19.We see floods and so on and so forth.
:46:20. > :46:24.A lot of people have asthma and other allergic reactions.
:46:25. > :46:31.We need to think long-term `nd do as much as possible because we can't
:46:32. > :46:38.What should be done on this, Vernon Coaker?
:46:39. > :46:41.First of all, I think it's ` really exciting step forward on thd part
:46:42. > :46:43.of the city and county councils here in Nottinghamshire.
:46:44. > :46:47.There are other authorities like Derby that are making
:46:48. > :46:52.Of course we always want to see more and we need to accelerate that
:46:53. > :46:53.process and the progress that's being made.
:46:54. > :46:54.Electric buses, electric cars, eco-expressways.
:46:55. > :46:57.All of those things are happening, as well as changes to indivhdual
:46:58. > :47:01.They are really exciting and all of us have to say how can
:47:02. > :47:10.we do this much more quicklx than we are doing at present?
:47:11. > :47:12.Isn't there a worry that restricting things like HGVs
:47:13. > :47:15.and vans in city centres, that could have a knock on,
:47:16. > :47:19.There's all with a balance to be made between economic
:47:20. > :47:22.Some of us would say of course there's a need for a balancd.
:47:23. > :47:25.Doing nothing is not an option for our country
:47:26. > :47:32.We need the politically move goods around.
:47:33. > :47:36.We can also change a lot of the things we do locally
:47:37. > :47:38.and indeed regionally and nationally, indeed
:47:39. > :47:40.internationally, to ensure we make sure we don't do damage
:47:41. > :47:44.You're seeing it with electric cars you're seeing it with
:47:45. > :47:49.the electrification that's coming of the Midland Main line.
:47:50. > :47:55.The point I make is how all of us accelerate that process.
:47:56. > :47:59.It doesn't have to be just councils and government.
:48:00. > :48:01.Individuals can do their bit as well.
:48:02. > :48:04.Electric cars, for example, are very expensive still.
:48:05. > :48:13.It's not really an option for most people.
:48:14. > :48:15.And there aren't any restrictions on private cars, as such,
:48:16. > :48:18.Services have been cut in Nottinghamshire.
:48:19. > :48:25.We do need, as politicians were to change this.
:48:26. > :48:27.There needs to be a cultural change as well.
:48:28. > :48:31.People are simply using public transport.
:48:32. > :48:34.Sadly, that needs to be dond by some enforcement and finances so it
:48:35. > :48:40.What should we do to try to restrict them?
:48:41. > :48:43.I think we should have car free zones in the inner city
:48:44. > :48:45.and we should charge people who come in with cars.
:48:46. > :48:49.So it becomes cheaper to use the bus.
:48:50. > :48:52.Is that the way we should bd going, Vernon Coaker?
:48:53. > :48:58.The council here has alreadx used the word placed parking levx,
:48:59. > :49:03.which was quite controversi`l, very controversial at the thme
:49:04. > :49:08.What the council here and authorities across our region
:49:09. > :49:11.are trying to do, how you b`lanced economic growth and ensure people
:49:12. > :49:14.can move around but at the same time recognise you have to do
:49:15. > :49:17.You have to do something about climate change these
:49:18. > :49:23.But it's not impossible and there is progress being made.
:49:24. > :49:25.What Kat Boettge said earlidr, figures show that air pollution
:49:26. > :49:36.Therese Coffey, your Environment Minister,
:49:37. > :49:39.says real progress is being made but there is an awful
:49:40. > :49:43.There is real progress made but we need to get on with ht.
:49:44. > :49:46.I do believe that councils are beginning to tackle it.
:49:47. > :49:49.If we damage business, we don't have any money
:49:50. > :49:52.We have to do it so it works for everybody.
:49:53. > :49:55.We have to make sure that the worst vehicles are tackled first.
:49:56. > :50:06.A lot of the vehicles that are coming into cities,
:50:07. > :50:08.the large HGVs, the big companies have already started to tackle it.
:50:09. > :50:16.You can't damage those smaller companies too quickly.
:50:17. > :50:19.You can't just do sticks, you can do carrots as well.
:50:20. > :50:22.We can't afford to not do something about it.
:50:23. > :50:24.For example, looking at altdrnative, green sources of energy,
:50:25. > :50:27.that would give us a good, industrial kind of basis and growth.
:50:28. > :50:32.We know fossil fuel, for example, solar, sorry,
:50:33. > :50:35.worldwide, produces more jobs than the entire fossil fuel
:50:36. > :50:43.If we were to have a proper transition to cleaner energx,
:50:44. > :50:44.that would economically also stimulate our country greatly.
:50:45. > :50:50.Kat Boettge, thank you very much for joining us in the studio.
:50:51. > :50:52.Next, how do we bridge the growing gap between votdrs
:50:53. > :50:55.It's a question that's becole more urgent since the referendum debate
:50:56. > :50:59.which revealed a large part of the Electric, particularly
:51:00. > :51:01.in parts of the East Midlands, is feeling alienated
:51:02. > :51:11.Our political reporter has taken two hairdressers who say politicians
:51:12. > :51:14.are out of touch down to Westminster to meet their MP.
:51:15. > :51:17.For one day only, a politic`l rally with everyone in knots batthng
:51:18. > :51:24.There were 45 events throughout the Palace of Westminster.
:51:25. > :51:44.In the Speaker's words, Nottingham in Parliament
:51:45. > :51:45.Day really was a first.
:51:46. > :51:47.It wasn't just local dignit`ries who descended on the capital.
:51:48. > :51:50.Emma, my right I have never voted before the EU referendum.
:51:51. > :51:52.In an effort to close the g`p between the East Midlands
:51:53. > :51:56.and Parliament, we arrange for them to meet their MP for the first time.
:51:57. > :51:59.What do think we can do to change the way politics is?
:52:00. > :52:01.Simplify it a little bit more for us, definitely,
:52:02. > :52:04.and speak as a normal person would, rather than using all the f`ncy
:52:05. > :52:08.You hear all these different opinions.
:52:09. > :52:11.It's so hard to understand, to take it all in, to be honest
:52:12. > :52:14.It's easier just to sit on the fence or not have an opinion at all.
:52:15. > :52:17.We invent a language that locks people out of the whole thing.
:52:18. > :52:19.It makes a disconnect through politicians
:52:20. > :52:22.Like all hairdressers, these two spend their days
:52:23. > :52:33.Politics is one topic of conversation I'd rather `void.
:52:34. > :52:41.People just get angry straightaway and get on their high
:52:42. > :52:43.horse and start arguing. We're a bit like, calm down
:52:44. > :52:47.It's the first time we've seen new or met you.
:52:48. > :52:50.If the people ask you to do things, we want you to work
:52:51. > :52:55.For now, at least they feel closer to the democratic process.
:52:56. > :52:58.Nottingham may have come to Parliament this week but,
:52:59. > :53:01.to many back home, this place is still seems 1 million miles away.
:53:02. > :53:03.Vernon Coaker, you played a big role in this Nottingham
:53:04. > :53:07.in Parliament Day as we are about to see full stop what would it mean
:53:08. > :53:11.What it's trying to do is to make Parliament real.
:53:12. > :53:14.The process is what the problem is, as much as the language.
:53:15. > :53:16.A feeling of remoteness from political decision-makhng.
:53:17. > :53:18.As even the hairdressers were saying, everyone
:53:19. > :53:22.They will argue about it, debate it, discuss it.
:53:23. > :53:25.But it's this sense of, what difference does it makd?
:53:26. > :53:27.Part of what Nottingham in Parliament day was about
:53:28. > :53:43.and on the other days that other cities and regions well org`nising
:53:44. > :53:49.It was about saying to people, you can get involved and it does
:53:50. > :53:51.make the difference was we had students from Nottingham Trdnt
:53:52. > :53:55.That's why I got a pink timd because they were a pink te`m.
:53:56. > :54:02.Peter's report showed the bhg disconnect between Westminster
:54:03. > :54:04.and ordinary voters, as we saw in Emma and Sarah.
:54:05. > :54:09.I am trying very hard to persuade as many schools as possible to use
:54:10. > :54:13.the education programme in Parliament.
:54:14. > :54:15.It's beginning to pay off because many of the schools
:54:16. > :54:22.I'm also hosting a series of meet your MP events
:54:23. > :54:28.The recent one, I had somebody, saying, I voted for 40 odd xears.
:54:29. > :54:31.I've never met an MP and I'l really pleased to have met you.
:54:32. > :54:42.Today's MPs are out and abott far more than those of yesterye`r.
:54:43. > :54:50.Is it the language you're speaking that's a problem?
:54:51. > :54:53.That's certainly what Emma `nd Sarah told Gloria del Piero.
:54:54. > :54:55.They don't feel that politicians speak their language.
:54:56. > :54:57.You don't express things pl`inly enough for the ordinary person.
:54:58. > :55:00.I hope I do because I don't know any long words.
:55:01. > :55:02.I tried to use words people understand because I think
:55:03. > :55:06.I think people do feel we are all too posh and that's not
:55:07. > :55:10.So, yes, we probably have to speak in a more ordinary way.
:55:11. > :55:14.I still think there are ways we can go out and about and meet pdople.
:55:15. > :55:17.The more people who meet thdir MP, which I think is very important
:55:18. > :55:19.the more people realise we are real people just
:55:20. > :55:31.Is it a reaction to austerity, do you think?
:55:32. > :55:33.I don't think it's austeritx, it's something that's
:55:34. > :55:37.The trouble is, as politici`ns now, particularly female politichans
:55:38. > :55:40.since the death of Jo Cox, I feel more vulnerable going out
:55:41. > :55:44.and about and I am more cautious maybe then I used to be.
:55:45. > :55:47.Somebody dies and then we all start to feel worried
:55:48. > :55:51.I don't know about men, whether they feel that as wdll,
:55:52. > :55:55.but I feel more honourable than I used to.
:55:56. > :56:04.I'm sure some of your femald colleagues have spoken about that.
:56:05. > :56:07.This is a problem for Labour as well.
:56:08. > :56:09.We heard, didn't we, in Peter's reports, the first time
:56:10. > :56:12.Sarah had ever voted was in the EU referendum.
:56:13. > :56:14.Yet, there they are, in Sutton in Ashfield
:56:15. > :56:15.and that is Labour heartland territory, isn't it?
:56:16. > :56:21.It does go back to the point, people are interested in politics
:56:22. > :56:23.if you debate immigration or debate Europe, what the problem is,
:56:24. > :56:26.which is expressed in a way, politicians are removed,
:56:27. > :56:31.part of an elite, I think it's a sense in which people
:56:32. > :56:36.actually get into the polithcal system and make that differdnce
:56:37. > :56:38.That's what I think the polhtical system as a whole
:56:39. > :56:53.What people are saying is, just by voting, they're not sure how
:56:54. > :56:57.It's a sense in which, how do I influence what's going on?
:56:58. > :57:00.Not just at election time but all the time in between as well.
:57:01. > :57:08.Both are serious side of Nottingham Parliament dax but it
:57:09. > :57:11.isn't all hard work and policy discussions.
:57:12. > :57:13.Here's Vernon having a game of cricket on the green.
:57:14. > :57:15.Quite a good catch from Nottingham East MP,
:57:16. > :57:18.And our favourite of course, Dennis Skinner putting away
:57:19. > :57:23.Just for balance, he missed one as well.
:57:24. > :57:27.Let's hope I get this one, Coker caught Leslie 0,
:57:28. > :57:32.I think it was a first ball as well, actually.
:57:33. > :57:37.Not a bad penalty for 84-year-old Dennis Skinner.
:57:38. > :57:40.Somebody will sign him up if he carries on like that, I think.
:57:41. > :57:45.45 events were held throughout the day.
:57:46. > :57:49.What we're just talking about is making Parliament
:57:50. > :57:56.It's the breadth of the people that came.
:57:57. > :57:57.You had students, captains of industry.
:57:58. > :58:20.You couldn't get into that event.
:58:21. > :58:23.It was from industry to civhc society to citizens.
:58:24. > :58:27.For all of them to come togdther and get a common sense of ptrpose
:58:28. > :58:29.about how we would do more, obviously for Nottingham
:58:30. > :58:34.and Nottinghamshire but our region as a whole as well.
:58:35. > :58:39.Another important thing, how do we make sure we use this
:58:40. > :58:47.we all reflect upon and say, this is brilliant, what
:58:48. > :58:57.Should other cities be following in Nottingham's steps
:58:58. > :59:00.We've had a Derby food day for a number of years.
:59:01. > :59:04.It was much smaller but it worked really well we had
:59:05. > :59:07.What Nottinghamshire did is a really good idea.
:59:08. > :59:10.I'm sure there will be other counties and cities who will decide
:59:11. > :59:13.to go down that route for top it is certainly something
:59:14. > :59:15.I would like for Derby and Derbyshire to have a dax
:59:16. > :59:20.To be fair to the media, the media reported it reallx well.
:59:21. > :59:25.Time for a round-up of some of the other political storhes
:59:26. > :59:34.MPs from all sides have paid tribute to the Grantham and Stamford MP
:59:35. > :59:37.Nick Bowles, who is revealed he s being treated for cancer
:59:38. > :59:46.In a tweet announcing he had a tumour in his head, he joked.
:59:47. > :59:48.Critics might think it expl`ins some of his recent behaviour.
:59:49. > :59:50.In Strasbourg, the East Midlands Labour MEP, Glenis Willmott,
:59:51. > :59:52.criticised the British government handling of Brexit.
:59:53. > :59:54.The reality is Britain's future prosperity depends on having
:59:55. > :59:57.sensible negotiations with other EU countries.
:59:58. > :00:07.Membership of the single market on which many jobs depend,
:00:08. > :00:17.East Midlands Airport has announced it has plans for a major expansion.
:00:18. > :00:19.The airport wants to double passenger numbers and tripld
:00:20. > :00:27.There will be a shortage of Christmas cheer in Derby thhs year.
:00:28. > :00:29.The city council has decided not to stage a big switch
:00:30. > :00:38.The council says cuts means it cannot afford the event.
:00:39. > :00:41.Our best wishes to Nick Bowles as he begins his treatment
:00:42. > :00:44.and thanks to Pauline Lathal and Vernon Coaker for being my
:00:45. > :00:57.Next week will be taking a closer look at those plans
:00:58. > :01:02.Barely more than a week now until polling day,
:01:03. > :01:11.and a new revelation rocks the US Presidential election campaign.
:01:12. > :01:15.If it wasn't bizarre enough, it just got more bizarre.
:01:16. > :01:17.The FBI have reopened their investigation into Hillary Clinton's
:01:18. > :01:19.use of private email servers whilst she was Secretary
:01:20. > :01:27.of State, after the discovery of further emails.
:01:28. > :01:32.Though not on her laptop or even the State Department.
:01:33. > :01:34.Donald Trump is saying that it's bigger than Watergate -
:01:35. > :01:37.so could it swing the election in his favour?
:01:38. > :01:39.We spoke to top US pollster, Frank Luntz.
:01:40. > :01:42.The FBI investigation is happening so late in the election process
:01:43. > :01:47.that it would be very difficult to derail a Clinton victory.
:01:48. > :01:50.That said, if there is one thing that could keep Hillary Clinton
:01:51. > :01:55.from the presidency, it's an FBI investigation.
:01:56. > :01:57.But there's still only four states that really matter, Florida, Ohio,
:01:58. > :02:03.Right now, Clinton has beyond the margin of error leads
:02:04. > :02:10.This would have to have a truly significant impact for the election
:02:11. > :02:17.There is a point about a week ago when I was prepared to say that
:02:18. > :02:22.Clinton had a 95% chance of winning this election.
:02:23. > :02:28.Based on what has happened in the last 48 hours,
:02:29. > :02:33.It is still very likely, but I wouldn't bet on it.
:02:34. > :02:36.I thought the 2000 election would be the best election of my lifetime,
:02:37. > :02:41.And then I thought 2008 would be amazing, because we had two
:02:42. > :02:45.challenger candidates and the first African-American President.
:02:46. > :02:54.It is ugly, it's painful, it is as negative as anything
:02:55. > :02:59.The public is angry, the country, overall, is frustrated.
:03:00. > :03:06.But for entertainment value, these candidates probably should
:03:07. > :03:10.have charged us money, because it's better than any movie
:03:11. > :03:12.at ever seen, it's better than any TV show.
:03:13. > :03:24.That was Frank Luntz. He may be right or wrong about Mrs Clinton
:03:25. > :03:33.still having an 80% chance of winning. I would bet on an 80%
:03:34. > :03:36.chance? Yes, absolutely. I spoke to a high-profile American pollster and
:03:37. > :03:42.strategist last night and he took a rather different view to Frank
:03:43. > :03:45.Luntz. He thought, and I think some other high-profile commentators
:03:46. > :03:50.agree, that this is actually much more serious than some people
:03:51. > :03:55.realise. There are an awful lot of undecided voters out there looking
:03:56. > :03:59.for an excuse to vote Trump. They do not like what they see in either
:04:00. > :04:04.candidate. But because this FBI probe is not going to conclude
:04:05. > :04:09.before the election, the question, the doubt over Hillary Clinton,
:04:10. > :04:14.gives them an excuse to back Trump. The thing that will play on the
:04:15. > :04:18.minds of the voters is, could the 100 day honeymoon turning to the 100
:04:19. > :04:24.day divorce? Which even be impeached? It may give some people
:04:25. > :04:28.an excuse not to vote for Mrs Clinton. It could provide a problem
:04:29. > :04:35.in terms of energising her base The battle ground almost matters more
:04:36. > :04:42.than the polls. Florida and Pennsylvania have been trending to
:04:43. > :04:47.Mrs Clinton. Mr Trump needs to win both. He does not get in without
:04:48. > :04:53.both. He needs both. Just coming up in the latest BBC News, the
:04:54. > :04:59.Washington Post tracking poll, Mrs Clinton is now only one point ahead
:05:00. > :05:04.in the national poll. One point Even given my caveat that the state
:05:05. > :05:10.battles are most important. That is incredibly close? It is. Polls
:05:11. > :05:18.yesterday showed Trump nationally closing of. -- up. There is a clear
:05:19. > :05:21.trend and movement. This has reinforced everything that people
:05:22. > :05:25.who have a problem with Hillary Clinton know about Hillary Clinton.
:05:26. > :05:30.Trump is running this insurgent campaign. We have seen at here with
:05:31. > :05:34.Brexit. If you are running an insurgent campaign, you want to be
:05:35. > :05:38.against the ultimate establishment insider and that is what Hillary
:05:39. > :05:44.Clinton is. I suggested it was bizarre. Fathoming the behaviour of
:05:45. > :05:48.the FBI is interesting as well. This is a separate investigation into a
:05:49. > :05:53.former congressman, Anthony Wiener, who had done all sorts of things. He
:05:54. > :06:01.seemed to be sex text thing a minor. A 15-year-old girl. The FBI
:06:02. > :06:08.investigate. They get his laptop to see what else he has been too. In
:06:09. > :06:12.the course of that, his wife, now separated, the closest adviser to
:06:13. > :06:21.Hillary Clinton, they find on the laptop e-mails involving the Clinton
:06:22. > :06:28.server to her. And yet the FBI cannot, it needs now a separate
:06:29. > :06:31.warrant to access these e-mails It hasn't got that yet. It has got a
:06:32. > :06:38.warrant to do the congressman e-mails. On the basis of not knowing
:06:39. > :06:45.the content, this has happened. Yeah. Who knows? He is a Republican,
:06:46. > :06:50.this guy. Earlier this year he was being praised to the hilt by
:06:51. > :06:55.Democrats. Absolutely. The timing is a nightmare for her. You described
:06:56. > :07:00.the whole sequence. There is nothing definitive to doubt in this
:07:01. > :07:07.sequence. All he is saying is he has discovered more e-mails in effect.
:07:08. > :07:14.They are from the congressman's former wife. On Anthony Wiener's
:07:15. > :07:21.laptop, which apparently she used sometimes. But what that shows is
:07:22. > :07:26.that for all the scrutiny of modern politicians, they cannot escape
:07:27. > :07:30.caricature. And as Tim was just saying, her weakness is perceived to
:07:31. > :07:35.be secretive, elitism and complacency about that elitism. And
:07:36. > :07:41.so just the announcement of a reopening of the investigation so
:07:42. > :07:45.fuels that caricature, you have just revealed a poll giving her a 1%
:07:46. > :07:50.lead. That must be related to what has happened. It is without a shred
:07:51. > :07:56.of evidence that she has done anything wrong. You can see how
:07:57. > :08:01.because people only see things encourage kids, that is deadly
:08:02. > :08:05.serious. -- in caricature. An American friend of mine said we have
:08:06. > :08:13.got our October surprise but we don't know what it is. The FBI must
:08:14. > :08:20.surely come under massive pressure. It did its -- it did this against
:08:21. > :08:23.the Justice Department. The difficulty the FBI had was that this
:08:24. > :08:28.information, for what it's worth, it came to them. Were they not to have
:08:29. > :08:32.said something and it worked to have come out later, they would have been
:08:33. > :08:37.accused of a massive cover-up. They are dammed if they do, dammed if
:08:38. > :08:41.they don't. There is still time for another surprise. And early November
:08:42. > :08:46.surprise. Who knows if there might still be something that comes out on
:08:47. > :08:50.Donald Trump? This is the first election where I can remember we
:08:51. > :08:55.have had two October surprises already. There are is stuff about
:08:56. > :09:00.tapes knocking around about Donald Trump saying racist things. The
:09:01. > :09:03.Clintons have got a lot of friends. It would be a big surprise if we did
:09:04. > :09:06.not see anything else in the next few days.
:09:07. > :09:12.Just when you think it could not get more interesting, it has. There has
:09:13. > :09:13.been plenty in the papers lately about the Ukip leadership saying
:09:14. > :09:17.unpleasant things about each other. But what about Mr Farage himself?
:09:18. > :09:19.What's he up to? Well, on BBC Two tonight we may
:09:20. > :09:22.find out the answer. Well, I'm led to believe
:09:23. > :09:28.she's very experienced. But I don't think Strictly Come
:09:29. > :09:31.Dancing is for me. That is, unless, of course,
:09:32. > :09:37.you fancy popping a cheeky zero No, I don't think Strictly
:09:38. > :09:41.Come Dancing is for me. Well, you tell Mr Balls he has just
:09:42. > :09:47.lost your programme one viewer. I might have nothing to do these
:09:48. > :10:09.days but, realistically, Well, that wasn't Nigel Farage. It
:10:10. > :10:14.is a BBC comedy on tonight. Nigel Farage gets his life back. A number
:10:15. > :10:20.of runners and riders. Let's come straight down to it. Who would be
:10:21. > :10:25.the next leader of Ukip? Probably Paul Nuttall. He is the favourite.
:10:26. > :10:30.The one who has the backing, not very enthusiastic backing, is Rahim
:10:31. > :10:41.Cassandra. And also Aaron Banks a big donor. The best of a rather weak
:10:42. > :10:52.lot. I think Paul Nuttall should squeak through. I interviewed all
:10:53. > :10:55.three of them this week. Mr Cassandra is a lively character and
:10:56. > :10:59.he knows how to make a few headlines. With a bit of money
:11:00. > :11:02.behind him, anything is possible. This is a guy who has been to the
:11:03. > :11:14.States, who has literally studied what Trump has done. Pees on
:11:15. > :11:20.secondment for the time being. The guy who is his line manager is one
:11:21. > :11:23.of Donald Trump's campaign stop He is extraordinarily right-wing. I am
:11:24. > :11:31.told he kept a picture of Enoch Powell by his bed. Barry Goldwater
:11:32. > :11:39.is one of his heroes, for example. There are other candidates. I would
:11:40. > :11:45.suggest, put out as a hypothesis, Paul Nuttall is Labour's worst
:11:46. > :11:50.nightmare. They are more vulnerable in the North. Paul Nuttall is from
:11:51. > :11:54.Merseyside, a working-class background, performs well on
:11:55. > :11:58.television. He is a really good interviewee. He is one of the best
:11:59. > :12:03.around in politics at the moment. However, I think whoever gets it has
:12:04. > :12:10.a massive task. The clip of this Nigel Farage satire partly shows
:12:11. > :12:14.why. His dominance was overwhelming. He, in many ways, did a brilliant
:12:15. > :12:19.job at keeping the show on the road. The trouble for all new political
:12:20. > :12:24.parties is keeping it going is tough. A very different party, the
:12:25. > :12:28.SDP, with all those glamorous figures in it, lasted eight years,
:12:29. > :12:31.something like that. I think they are in real trouble at the moment
:12:32. > :12:37.because of the implosion we have been seeing in front of our eyes and
:12:38. > :12:47.the ideal -- ideological splits Whoever gets it will face a tough
:12:48. > :12:49.tussle. All three of the main contenders want to put Nigel Farage
:12:50. > :12:54.in the House of Lords. They were falling over themselves to soak up
:12:55. > :12:58.two farads. That is how you win this election.
:12:59. > :13:05.Mr Aaron Banks, who is he putting his money on? He said he supports
:13:06. > :13:10.Rahim. I know Mr Banks is utterly fed with the shenanigans in Ukip. He
:13:11. > :13:14.thinks it is terribly disorganised, dysfunctional and doesn't want a
:13:15. > :13:16.great deal to do with it for the foreseeable future.
:13:17. > :13:21.It is not quite Trump the Clinton but it is interesting. That is it.
:13:22. > :13:27.The Daily Politics is back tomorrow. And all of next week. Jo Coburn will
:13:28. > :13:31.be your next Sunday because I am off to the United States to begin to
:13:32. > :13:38.rehearse presenting the BBC's US election night coverage on the th
:13:39. > :13:39.of November. It will be here on BBC One, BBC
:13:40. > :13:41.world, BBC News Channel and BBC online.
:13:42. > :14:12.Remember if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics.
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