:00:36. > :00:40.It's Sunday morning and this is the Sunday Politics.
:00:41. > :00:43.A row has broken out between Number Ten and former
:00:44. > :00:46.Cabinet minister Nicky Morgan over Brexit and, believe it or not,
:00:47. > :00:51.the price of Theresa May's leather trousers.
:00:52. > :00:53.I feel as though I'm one of the people that
:00:54. > :00:57.If you do that, you are likely to attract attention,
:00:58. > :01:08.It's not just Nicky Morgan making life difficult
:01:09. > :01:11.for the Prime Minister - we'll be taking a look at the rest
:01:12. > :01:15.Fully paid-up rebel Ken Clarke joins us live.
:01:16. > :01:17.Protestors disrupted a speech by Jeremy Corbyn yesterday,
:01:18. > :01:18.but is his biggest problem Labour's miserable performance
:01:19. > :01:25.And in the East Midlands... and Corbyn critic Chris Leslie
:01:26. > :01:27.The safe Labour seats under threat from Ukip.
:01:28. > :01:29.And the villagers who want to pay for private security to replace
:01:30. > :01:51.think of it as an early Christmas present from us.
:01:52. > :01:53.We guarantee you won't be disappointed.
:01:54. > :01:55.And speaking of guaranteed disappointments - I'm joined
:01:56. > :01:57.by three of the busiest little elves in political journalism.
:01:58. > :01:59.It's Iain Martin, Polly Toynbee and Tom Newton Dunn.
:02:00. > :02:06.So, we knew relations between Theresa May and some
:02:07. > :02:12.of her backbenchers over Europe weren't exactly a bed of roses.
:02:13. > :02:18.But signs of how fractious things are getting come courtesy of this
:02:19. > :02:21.morning's Mail on Sunday which has the details of a series of texts
:02:22. > :02:24.from one of Mrs May's senior advisers to and concerning
:02:25. > :02:29.the former Cabinet minister Nicky Morgan.
:02:30. > :02:33.Mrs Morgan is one of those arguing for a so-called soft Brexit,
:02:34. > :02:36.and has been pressing the PM to reveal more of her negotiation
:02:37. > :02:42.She's also apparently irked Downing Street by questioning
:02:43. > :02:50.Mrs May's decision to purchase and be photographed in a ?995 pair
:02:51. > :02:55.She said she had "never spent that much money on anything apart
:02:56. > :03:05.Mrs Morgan was due to attend a meeting at Number 10 this week
:03:06. > :03:09.But that invitation seems to be off, after a fairly extraordinary
:03:10. > :03:12.argument by text message with Mrs May's joint chief
:03:13. > :03:21.She texted the MP Alistair Burt, another of those arguing
:03:22. > :03:28.for a so-called soft Brexit, cancelling Nicky Morgan's invitation
:03:29. > :03:33.and telling him to not "bring that woman to Number Ten again".
:03:34. > :03:35.The following day Nicky Morgan texted Fiona Hill, saying
:03:36. > :03:37."If you don't like something I have said or done, please
:03:38. > :03:51.If you don't want my views in future meetings you need to tell them."
:03:52. > :03:56.Shortly afterwards she received the reply "Well, he just did.
:03:57. > :04:01.And according to the Mail, Mrs Morgan, who you'll see
:04:02. > :04:03.in our film shortly, has now been formally banned
:04:04. > :04:19.So, Tom, much ado about nothing or telling you about the underlying
:04:20. > :04:23.tensions over Brexit? Both, if I am allowed to choose both. It says
:04:24. > :04:26.something about British politics today, that this is the most
:04:27. > :04:30.important thing we can find to talk about, because the Government are
:04:31. > :04:33.not giving us anything to talk about cs especially on Brexit because they
:04:34. > :04:38.don't have a plan as we know. There is is a lot of truth that are being
:04:39. > :04:43.spoken from this row, one is that Mrs May comes into Downing Street
:04:44. > :04:46.with a lot of baggage including spectacular fall outs with Cabinet
:04:47. > :04:53.Ministers in the past. Nicky Morgan being one. We heard about the row
:04:54. > :04:58.over banning children from school. She fell out with Boris Johnson, so,
:04:59. > :05:05.she then enters Number Ten with history. When you are in Number Ten
:05:06. > :05:13.you start, you cannot be controversial and my way but the
:05:14. > :05:17.high way, which is why Fiona Hill kept Theresa May in the Home Office.
:05:18. > :05:23.You need to behave differently in the top job. It is surprising Nicky
:05:24. > :05:29.Morgan hats taken such a robust line. She seemed such a gentle soul
:05:30. > :05:34.as a minister. She did, Brexit has done funny things to people.
:05:35. > :05:38.Everything has been shaken up. It reveals really how paranoid they
:05:39. > :05:44.are, I mean you cannot have a situation really in which the, in
:05:45. > :05:50.which you know, Number Ten has got realise if the Prime Minister's
:05:51. > :05:54.entire stick is her authenticity and incredible connection, which is
:05:55. > :05:59.genuine, with voters outside the Metropolitan bubble, when she
:06:00. > :06:03.chooses to wear ?995 leather trousers you have to anticipate that
:06:04. > :06:07.journalists and MPs are going to take the mickey, that is how life
:06:08. > :06:11.works, but I think they are trying to run Number Ten as they ran the
:06:12. > :06:15.Home Office, and you see that in the rows they have had with Mark Carney
:06:16. > :06:21.and Boris Johnson this week, now you might be able to run one Government
:06:22. > :06:24.department in that control freakish way but not Government will hold
:06:25. > :06:27.together for too long, if it is run in that fashion. By try doing the
:06:28. > :06:33.whole Government like one department. This is just the start,
:06:34. > :06:39.Polly, we are still several months away from triggering Article 50. We,
:06:40. > :06:44.The Tory party is split down the middle, the thing that mattered most
:06:45. > :06:48.to the nation since the last war, it is not frivolous. It may look as if
:06:49. > :06:54.it is about trousers, it is about the most serious thing. What was
:06:55. > :06:59.split down the middle? Aren't the Euro-files and the Eurosceptics used
:07:00. > :07:04.to be the outliers, it is now the Europhiles, it is not a split down
:07:05. > :07:08.the middle. They won't vote against Brexit but they will, I think exert
:07:09. > :07:13.the maximum influence they can, to make sure that it is not a Brexit, a
:07:14. > :07:16.self-harming Brexit, to make sure that the country understand, when it
:07:17. > :07:22.comes to that point, that there may be really hard decision to make, do
:07:23. > :07:27.you want a real economic damage to be done to the country, to your own
:07:28. > :07:31.wallet, in, in exchange for being able to stop free movement or is
:07:32. > :07:35.that trade off in the end going to be just too expensive? We have seen
:07:36. > :07:41.polls suggesting people are beginning to move, and not willing,
:07:42. > :07:45.a poll out now saying people wouldn't be willing to sacrifice any
:07:46. > :07:48.money at all, for the sake of stopping immigration. So if itself
:07:49. > :07:56.comes to that trade off, the people are going to need to be confronted
:07:57. > :08:00.with that choice. The Irony is, I think the Tories are in the most
:08:01. > :08:05.exceptionally strong position, I mean what is happening here is that
:08:06. > :08:10.British politics is being realigned and remade along leave and remain
:08:11. > :08:17.lines, if the Prime Minister's luck hold, the Tories are looking at
:08:18. > :08:21.being somewhere 45, 46, 47% of the vote with an opposition split
:08:22. > :08:24.between a far left Labour Party and depleted Liberal Democrats, that
:08:25. > :08:30.sound like a recipe for something similar to what happened in the
:08:31. > :08:34.1980s. You are seeing extraordinary alliances between left and right.
:08:35. > :08:39.The Scottish referendum rebuilt Scottish politics along the lines of
:08:40. > :08:44.pro independence, anti-independence and now Brexit maybe doing the same.
:08:45. > :08:46.So, rows within the Conservative Party over the price
:08:47. > :08:49.of trousers might be new, but over Europe, not so much.
:08:50. > :08:51.And this week's Commons vote on when the Government will fire
:08:52. > :08:54.the starting gun on Brexit, and what it will say
:08:55. > :08:56.about its plans before it does so, confirmed that instead
:08:57. > :08:57.of the eurosceptics being the outsiders,
:08:58. > :09:00.it's now the Remainers who are leading the resistance.
:09:01. > :09:09.While the Prime Minister was schmoozing in the gold-plated
:09:10. > :09:12.Gulf this week, back home the Commons was voting
:09:13. > :09:15.on a Labour motion forcing her to publish a plan for Brexit.
:09:16. > :09:16.Through some parliamentary jiggery-pokery, the Government
:09:17. > :09:19.basically got its way, but it did provide a platform
:09:20. > :09:24.for some mischiefmaking by Tory MPs who voted to remain,
:09:25. > :09:33.We are getting somewhat tired, are we not, of this constant level
:09:34. > :09:36.of abuse, this constant criticism that we are somehow Remoaners
:09:37. > :09:39.that want to thwart the will of the people,
:09:40. > :09:44.go back on it and that we don't accept the result.
:09:45. > :09:49.I don't like the result, and yes, I do believe the people
:09:50. > :09:52.It's not good enough that these things are dragged
:09:53. > :09:54.out of the Government by opposition day motions.
:09:55. > :09:57.I'm pleased that it's happened but I wish the Government was taking
:09:58. > :10:01.Is Nicky Morgan really listening to her constituents
:10:02. > :10:09.I think I'm one of the people who stuck their head
:10:10. > :10:13.above the parapet so if you do that you're likely to attract attention,
:10:14. > :10:15.you're likely to attract abuse, but also actually levels of support.
:10:16. > :10:18.I'm having e-mails from around the country with people saying thank
:10:19. > :10:20.you for what you are doing, party members around
:10:21. > :10:22.the country saying thank you for what you are doing
:10:23. > :10:26.and saying, and I and others will continue to do that.
:10:27. > :10:29.I just think, as a backbench Member of Parliament,
:10:30. > :10:31.you've got to be there, particularly when we have a weak
:10:32. > :10:34.opposition, to ask the question that government needs to be scrutinised
:10:35. > :10:41.on before we embark on such a huge issue.
:10:42. > :10:44.Nobody comes into politics to become a thorn in their party leader's
:10:45. > :10:47.side, but at the end of the day it's such a massive issue that
:10:48. > :10:50.if you don't stand up for what you believe in,
:10:51. > :10:56.I'm not sure what the point is of going into politics.
:10:57. > :10:59.That puts her on a collision course with activists in her local
:11:00. > :11:01.party like Adam Stairs, a committed leader who accuses
:11:02. > :11:06.Nicky has promised me and the rest of our Conservative association
:11:07. > :11:09.she will be voting for Article 50 and she will support
:11:10. > :11:12.the Prime Minister's timetable, and we have just got to trust that
:11:13. > :11:14.and hope that goes ahead, but there's a lot of people
:11:15. > :11:16.who think she's taking sideswipes at the Government
:11:17. > :11:20.The Conservatives are very popular, she wants to be a Conservative MP
:11:21. > :11:22.and we want to see a Conservative government being
:11:23. > :11:30.I have no idea what she's playing at, I think she just needs to get
:11:31. > :11:33.on with her job as an MP, which she does very well,
:11:34. > :11:37.Now let's head to Anna Soubry's constituency nearby to see
:11:38. > :11:38.how her stance is going down with the voters.
:11:39. > :11:41.If Anna Soubry doesn't fully back Brexit, what does
:11:42. > :11:46.Well, she's going to have a little bit of a problem because the voters,
:11:47. > :11:49.especially in this area, they voted to come out of the EU
:11:50. > :11:52.so she will definitely have a little bit of a problem.
:11:53. > :11:54.She should stick for what she believes in,
:11:55. > :11:56.but I guess from a democratic perspective she does...
:11:57. > :12:12.She has admitted the fact over and over again that she wanted
:12:13. > :12:15.to remain, but her views at the moment, even in her e-mails,
:12:16. > :12:17.depicted the fact she's anti-Brexit still.
:12:18. > :12:22.Theresa May will host her most pro-European MPs at Downing Street
:12:23. > :12:24.this week to discuss the countdown to Brexit.
:12:25. > :12:32.Although now we know not everyone is invited.
:12:33. > :12:39.And the MP leading the resistance in the Commons on Wednesday
:12:40. > :12:41.was Ken Clarke, he was the only Conservative MP who voted
:12:42. > :12:44.against the Government's plan to trigger Article 50 by the end
:12:45. > :12:47.of March and he joins us now from Nottingham.
:12:48. > :12:52.Welcome back to the programme Ken Clarke. Now, tell me this when David
:12:53. > :12:58.Cameron resigned after losing the referendum, you had to pick a new
:12:59. > :13:02.leader, which candidate did the Tory Europhiles like you put up to
:13:03. > :13:09.deliver a so-called soft Brexit, or no Brexit at all? Well, I can't
:13:10. > :13:14.speak for the others but I voted for Theresa May, I gave a notorious
:13:15. > :13:19.interview, it wasn't meant to be, I was chatting to Malcolm Rifkind but
:13:20. > :13:23.somebody turned a camera on, I called her a bloody difficult woman
:13:24. > :13:25.which the Tory party probably needs, compared with Margaret Thatcher and
:13:26. > :13:31.said I was going to vote for her, I gave a vote for one of the younger
:13:32. > :13:37.ones first, but I told Teresa I would vote for her, she was the only
:13:38. > :13:40.serious candidate in my view. You voted for somebody you thought was a
:13:41. > :13:43.difficult woman, she is being difficult in ways you don't like,
:13:44. > :13:49.your side of the Tory party, you had your chance to put up somebody more
:13:50. > :13:54.in line with you, instead you shut up, so, why the complaints about it
:13:55. > :13:58.not going in your direction? I am not making complaint, it is not
:13:59. > :14:02.Teresa's fall we are in the dreadful mess, she was on the Remain side,
:14:03. > :14:05.she made a good speech during the campaign on the referendum, setting
:14:06. > :14:09.out the economic case for being in, setting out the security case for
:14:10. > :14:13.being in, which was Home Secretary, she was particularly expert in, it
:14:14. > :14:18.wasn't her fault that not a word it was reported anywhere, in the
:14:19. > :14:22.national media. Now, my views have been the same, I am afraid
:14:23. > :14:26.throughout my adult life, for the 50 years I have been in politics, and
:14:27. > :14:29.my views have been the mainstream policy of the Conservative Party
:14:30. > :14:35.throughout all that time, I don't expect to have a sudden conversion
:14:36. > :14:39.on the 24th June, and I think what I owe to my constituency, and to
:14:40. > :14:44.Parliament, is that I exercise my judgment, I make speeches giving my
:14:45. > :14:48.reasons, I make the best judgment that I can, of what is the national
:14:49. > :14:56.interest. I understand that. I would be a terrible hypocrite if I... Of
:14:57. > :15:00.course that is not what I am asking. How many Conservative MPs do you
:15:01. > :15:07.think you can count on to oppose this so-called hard Brexit? Is it
:15:08. > :15:11.40, 20, 10, 5, 1? I have no idea, because Anna, and Nicky, who you
:15:12. > :15:13.have just seen on the video who are also sticking to their principle,
:15:14. > :15:18.they are only saying what they are been saying ever since they have
:15:19. > :15:29.been in politics, probably may have more idea than me.
:15:30. > :15:37.That is three, how many more? I don't know, we will find out. We are
:15:38. > :15:43.living in a bubble in which the tone of politics is getting nastier and
:15:44. > :15:47.the reporting is getting sillier, so it is all about Theresa May's
:15:48. > :15:51.trousers and whether Boris has made some inappropriate jokes. What we
:15:52. > :15:55.need if we are going to abandon the basis upon which we made ourselves a
:15:56. > :15:59.leading political power in the world for the last 40 years and the basis
:16:00. > :16:03.upon which our economy has prospered because Margaret Thatcher got the
:16:04. > :16:07.others to adopt the single market and we benefited from that more than
:16:08. > :16:14.any other member state, so now we need a serious plan, a strategy.
:16:15. > :16:18.What is our relationship going to be in the modern world? How will our
:16:19. > :16:28.children and grandchildren make the best union they can? We need
:16:29. > :16:34.Parliament's approval of a White Paper and then start years of
:16:35. > :16:38.negotiation. This will run and run. This interview hasn't got time to
:16:39. > :16:41.run and run so let me get another question in. You seem to be quoted
:16:42. > :16:47.in the mail on Sunday this morning as saying if the Prime Minister
:16:48. > :16:52.sides too much with the heart Brexit group, she won't survive, is that
:16:53. > :16:56.your view? Yes because only a minority of the House of Commons
:16:57. > :16:59.think it is frightfully simple and you can just leave. The referendum
:17:00. > :17:04.campaign, the only national media reporting of the issues were
:17:05. > :17:11.completely silly and often quite dishonest arguments on both sides.
:17:12. > :17:15.Let me just check this, explain to me the basis... Know, excuse me, I
:17:16. > :17:19.have to interrupt because you said the Prime Minister won't survive so
:17:20. > :17:25.just explain to our viewers why she won't survive. She will be in a
:17:26. > :17:29.minority she starts adopting the views of John Redwood or Iain Duncan
:17:30. > :17:32.Smith. It's clear majority of the House of Commons doesn't agree with
:17:33. > :17:37.that and it would be pretty catastrophic if that is what we were
:17:38. > :17:43.going to do when we turn up and faced 27 of the nation state, and
:17:44. > :17:51.tell them we are pulling out of the biggest market in the world. How
:17:52. > :17:58.long do you give the Prime Minister then? If you don't think she will
:17:59. > :18:05.survive by going for a heart Brexit? I don't think she will go for a
:18:06. > :18:10.heart Brexit. Really, surrounded by David Davis and Liam Fox? Do you
:18:11. > :18:18.think Liam Fox will determine the policy of the Cabinet? Liam has
:18:19. > :18:21.always been ferociously against the European Union although he served in
:18:22. > :18:28.a government that was pro-European for about two and a half years. Does
:18:29. > :18:32.he not survive either? You're trying to reduce it to my trying to
:18:33. > :18:36.forecast Cabinet reshuffle is which I haven't got a clue whether there
:18:37. > :18:45.will be a Cabinet reshuffle, they may be ministers for the next ten
:18:46. > :18:48.years, I have no idea. Liam and me, but also Liam and the majority of
:18:49. > :18:52.his Cabinet colleagues don't start from the same place. The way forward
:18:53. > :18:57.is for them to produce a White Paper setting out the strategy on which
:18:58. > :19:01.all the Cabinet are agreed. People should stop leaking the Cabinet
:19:02. > :19:09.papers they are getting, they should stop leaking against each other, get
:19:10. > :19:12.down and do the work when they have got the agreed strategy. I'm sorry
:19:13. > :19:20.to interrupt again but we haven't got much time. We saw in our film
:19:21. > :19:27.that a number of constituency members in those areas which are
:19:28. > :19:33.strongly Remain MPs like yourself, in our case in this film it was
:19:34. > :19:37.Nicky Morgan, the constituency party members are unhappy about this.
:19:38. > :19:42.What's your message to them? Don't they deserve an MP that reflects
:19:43. > :19:48.their way of thinking? Leavers are unhappy and Remainers are very
:19:49. > :19:57.grateful. Mine don't go in for abuse... That's probably because
:19:58. > :20:02.you're not on e-mail, Mr Clarke. I get more from Remainers. I'm a great
:20:03. > :20:06.fan of Anna Soubry and Nicky Morgan, I don't agree with them on
:20:07. > :20:09.everything, but the views they are putting forward are the ones they've
:20:10. > :20:14.always held and I think we are doing the Government to favour by saying
:20:15. > :20:21.what it now depends on is your success in agreeing a policy and
:20:22. > :20:25.then explaining to the public what you want to do. I shall be surprised
:20:26. > :20:30.if they manage that by the end of March, I think it is best to get the
:20:31. > :20:37.policy right first but we shall see. Have you been invited then, you say
:20:38. > :20:43.you are being helpful, have you been invited to this meeting in Downing
:20:44. > :20:47.Street on Wednesday for the soft Brexiteers? No, because I haven't
:20:48. > :20:50.been joining any of these groups. It's fair to say most of my
:20:51. > :20:57.colleagues know exactly what my views are. No doubt those that
:20:58. > :21:04.haven't had this kind of discussion with their colleagues before have
:21:05. > :21:08.been invited. I didn't expect to be invited. I get on perfectly well
:21:09. > :21:12.with Theresa May but I haven't been invited, but I don't think there's
:21:13. > :21:18.much significance in that. What do you think of the way Downing Street
:21:19. > :21:23.has handled Nicky Morgan? I feel sorry for women in politics. I'm
:21:24. > :21:27.glad to say men in politics don't have great lead stories about what
:21:28. > :21:31.they are wearing. Apart from my suede shoes, I'm lucky because I'm
:21:32. > :21:37.not a very snappy dresser. It is tedious in these days that we still
:21:38. > :21:49.have a absurd pop newspaper stories about what they are wearing.
:21:50. > :21:56.That commenting on the Prime Minister's trousers, is it really
:21:57. > :22:02.grounds for banishment? No, of course not. Nikki and Teresa will
:22:03. > :22:05.have serious political discussions and if they want to have an argument
:22:06. > :22:13.about what they are wearing, their closest friends will advise them to
:22:14. > :22:21.keep it private. It is absurd. Given that the party appears to be
:22:22. > :22:26.deciding it has been all -- ordered to changes policies about Britain's
:22:27. > :22:31.relationship with the world, it needs to be taken seriously and this
:22:32. > :22:35.Lola. Is filling a vacuum before the serious discussion starts. Thank you
:22:36. > :22:37.for filling our vacuum this morning and of course no one would ever
:22:38. > :22:41.criticise how you dress. Of course. Now, seasoned observers will warn
:22:42. > :22:43.against reading too much into parliamentary by-elections,
:22:44. > :22:45.but they can provide a vital boost for a party leader under pressure,
:22:46. > :22:48.or provide damaging ammunition Following a disappointing result
:22:49. > :22:51.for Labour last week in Richmond, Jeremy Corbyn may have been hoping
:22:52. > :22:54.for an early Christmas present at this week's
:22:55. > :22:55.contest in Lincolnshire. In Sleaford and North Hykeham,
:22:56. > :23:04.a constituency that supported Leave in the EU referendum,
:23:05. > :23:06.there was little Christmas cheer for Labour as it fell from second
:23:07. > :23:11.in 2015 to fourth place. That was at least a better
:23:12. > :23:13.performance than in Remain-supporting Richmond Park,
:23:14. > :23:17.where the party's candiate lost his deposit after attracting
:23:18. > :23:19.fewer voters than the reported number of local
:23:20. > :23:23.Labour Party members. Speaking for the Labour Party this
:23:24. > :23:29.week, MP Vernon Coaker said their policies on other major
:23:30. > :23:33.issues were "lost to an extent Some MPs feel that a lack of clarity
:23:34. > :23:45.is holding the party back. This week three frontbenchers
:23:46. > :23:49.were among the 23 Labour MPs to defy the party line and vote
:23:50. > :23:57.against a motion to begin the process of leaving the EU
:23:58. > :24:00.by the end of March. And a number of Labour MPs we've
:24:01. > :24:03.spoken to since Thursday's vote have said they fear the party now runs
:24:04. > :24:06.the risk of being squeezed by the Lib Dems and UKIP,
:24:07. > :24:09.or in the words of one, "being cannabilised,
:24:10. > :24:13.eaten from both ends". To compound their troubles,
:24:14. > :24:14.a national poll released on Friday put Labour
:24:15. > :24:17.at a seven-year low, trailing 17 It's still a season of joy
:24:18. > :24:24.for many of Mr Corbyn's supporters - they point to a series of victories
:24:25. > :24:26.under his leadership, including a by-election win
:24:27. > :24:29.in Tooting and the London mayoral Though neither candidate was a
:24:30. > :24:35.Corbynite. But there's a distinct lack
:24:36. > :24:39.of goodwill on the party of his critics - although having
:24:40. > :24:41.failed comprehensively to challenge him this summer,
:24:42. > :24:52.what they intend to do This morning Diane Abbott played
:24:53. > :24:57.down the significance of the results. The reports of the Labour
:24:58. > :25:01.Party's demise are exaggerated, we are the largest social Democratic
:25:02. > :25:04.party in Europe and the surging membership is down to the current
:25:05. > :25:09.leadership. We have the right policies on the NHS, investing in
:25:10. > :25:13.the economy, and as you know the Tories are fatally split on Europe.
:25:14. > :25:15.And we're joined now by the former mayor
:25:16. > :25:17.of London Ken Livingstone, and the former Shadow
:25:18. > :25:25.Ken Livingstone, in the most recent by-election Labour collapsed from
:25:26. > :25:30.second to fourth place, the one before that your party lost its
:25:31. > :25:36.deposit. What is the positive gloss on that? There's nothing new in
:25:37. > :25:45.this, where you have got seats which are solidly Tory, often voters
:25:46. > :25:51.switched to Lib Dem to kick other voters out. We have had good swings
:25:52. > :25:56.that indicate a Labour government so don't pay too much attention. It is
:25:57. > :26:01.like Orpington 50 years ago. Labour voters switched just to kick the
:26:02. > :26:10.Tories out. Don't read too much into these results, Labour did win
:26:11. > :26:13.tooting so it is OK. First of all I don't think it was a problem with
:26:14. > :26:19.the candidates in the by-elections, they did a really good job locally,
:26:20. > :26:24.but there is an issue with those residents and their attitudes to the
:26:25. > :26:28.national party, and I just think that when you have warning bells
:26:29. > :26:32.going off like that, we have to listen to what people are saying. I
:26:33. > :26:37.think what they are saying is they want an opposition party to have a
:26:38. > :26:41.plan. So yes we have got to attack the Conservatives where they are
:26:42. > :26:46.going wrong on the NHS, running headlong over the cliff for a hard
:26:47. > :26:53.Brexit, but we also need a plan for what Labour's alternative will be.
:26:54. > :26:58.When do we get that plant? Effectively you have got it already.
:26:59. > :27:04.John McDonnell has gone on relentlessly for the need for a
:27:05. > :27:09.massive public investment. For decades now under Labour and Tory
:27:10. > :27:14.governments we haven't invested in infrastructure, our roads are a
:27:15. > :27:19.disgrace, a broadband is antique. We need to be honest about this, if
:27:20. > :27:23.Theresa May can come back and say I've done a deal, we are leaving the
:27:24. > :27:29.EU, we will control our borders, we won't have to pay 350 million a year
:27:30. > :27:34.and stay in the single market, well... But that won't happen. If we
:27:35. > :27:40.are going to stumble along for two years heading for an economic
:27:41. > :27:42.disaster, that's why only eight MPs voted to leave, because they knew
:27:43. > :27:47.the harm it would do to their voters. If you have got a plan, why
:27:48. > :27:53.are things getting worse for you in the national polls, 17 points
:27:54. > :27:57.behind? If you look back, when I was leader of Chelsea my poll rating
:27:58. > :28:03.went down... But you have not been as bad since 1983 when you lost an
:28:04. > :28:08.election by a landslide. Over the next two years our economy will not
:28:09. > :28:13.grow strongly, it will limp along at best, as we get closer to Brexit it
:28:14. > :28:17.will get worse. All Labour MPs should be focusing on the economic
:28:18. > :28:23.alternative because nobody ever wins an election without a credible
:28:24. > :28:28.economic strategy. So as long as the country goes to hell in a hand
:28:29. > :28:31.basket, Labour will be fine. That's not good enough. You're not a
:28:32. > :28:39.commentator any more, you are part of the leadership of the party. It
:28:40. > :28:42.is to you. I will continue to argue the case for credibility,
:28:43. > :28:48.particularly in our policies, but the leadership cannot just sit back
:28:49. > :28:52.and watch this drift. On the Brexit situation, the Conservative
:28:53. > :28:56.manifesto at the last general election promised it would be yes to
:28:57. > :29:00.the single market, why aren't we holding them to account for the
:29:01. > :29:06.broken promise potentially they are about to do? If I had still been an
:29:07. > :29:11.MP, I would have been voting with you, rebelling, because we are not
:29:12. > :29:15.going to get any good deal to leave. Theresa May will stumble on for a
:29:16. > :29:18.couple of years trying to balance... The party policies were heard from
:29:19. > :29:25.Diane Abbott this morning is to get the best possible deal to leave. And
:29:26. > :29:30.I will believe it when it happens. So you don't believe a central part
:29:31. > :29:37.of Jeremy Corbyn's policy? Jeremy has accepted the fact people voted
:29:38. > :29:41.to leave. He now said we now need to get the best possible deal and you
:29:42. > :29:46.don't think it's achievable. I don't, because why would the other
:29:47. > :29:53.27 members give us a better deal staying outside? You've confused me,
:29:54. > :29:55.why are you such a big supporter of Corbyn with his policy you don't
:29:56. > :30:07.think it's achievable? Everybody knows we are not going to
:30:08. > :30:10.get a soft exit, so we either have the hard Brexit and we lose perhaps
:30:11. > :30:16.millions, certainly hundreds of thousands of jobs, or we have to say
:30:17. > :30:21.we got it wrong. I mean, you, a lot of people have been saying that all
:30:22. > :30:25.Labour's unclear on Brexit, that is why it is going wrong, I would
:30:26. > :30:29.suggest to you, that actually what the concentration on is the Tories
:30:30. > :30:34.are unclear about Brexit, they are in power, that is what matters, a
:30:35. > :30:39.bigger problem for Labour is whether Mr Corbyn's leadership will cut
:30:40. > :30:44.through or not. I think the YouGov poll this weekend not only gave us
:30:45. > :30:49.that double punch of a 17 point lead for the Conservatives but it had a
:30:50. > :30:54.33 point lead, 33 point, for Theresa May over Jeremy Corbyn, so part of
:30:55. > :30:58.the plan, think, has to be to address this leadership issue, to
:30:59. > :31:05.make sure it is also a party that is listening to the wider public and
:31:06. > :31:12.not just the small number of members or the trotsites in Momentum or
:31:13. > :31:21.whoever is the latest Marxist on the... You The thing that is ox
:31:22. > :31:26.fibbing Labour. One MP said Labour has quoted bunkum. We have has 18
:31:27. > :31:32.months of Labour MPs stabbing Jeremy in the back and some in the front.
:31:33. > :31:35.The vast majority of Labour MPs have stopped undermining Jeremy. You
:31:36. > :31:38.weren't doing that well before. Can you imagine a situation in which you
:31:39. > :31:42.have elected a new leader and the first year it is all about getting
:31:43. > :31:47.rid of imand undermining him. I disagree with Tony Blair on lots of
:31:48. > :31:50.policy issue, I didn't run wound saying this man is not fit to
:31:51. > :31:57.govern. That is because you had no support for that at the time. The
:31:58. > :32:01.idea people will take lectures from Ken on divisiveness, that is like
:32:02. > :32:06.takes lectures from Boris Johnson on diplomacy, you have to make sure,
:32:07. > :32:11.yes, that we find some accommodation after the leadership election this
:32:12. > :32:18.summer, but the plan is not there right now, and you and the rest of
:32:19. > :32:22.the leadership has to be held accountable for delivering that, I
:32:23. > :32:29.want to hear what the plan is. It is FDR he told us earlier. If you have
:32:30. > :32:33.got now because as we saw in the Autumn Statement, debt to GDP ratio
:32:34. > :32:38.at 90%, you can't convince the public by saying we will throw more
:32:39. > :32:42.money at the problem, the public want a credible plan, where the sums
:32:43. > :32:48.add up, that you are not making promises that won't be delivered.
:32:49. > :32:53.They want that plan. We need to point out our history, when Labour
:32:54. > :33:01.Waugh the election in 45 Government debt was two times that it was now..
:33:02. > :33:05.Now.. They generated exports and within 50 years we virtually paid
:33:06. > :33:12.off that debt. Austerity is not the way to go. Our economy is a disgrace
:33:13. > :33:16.compared with Germany. I agree. What we have to start saying, there is
:33:17. > :33:20.decent jobs, where are they going to be coming from, can we have a
:33:21. > :33:24.society based on fair play and prosperity for everybody not just
:33:25. > :33:27.the wealthy, that means saying, some time, that people have to
:33:28. > :33:30.contribute, they have to put in, so we have to listen to what the public
:33:31. > :33:35.are saying on issues for instance like immigration, as they said in
:33:36. > :33:40.the Brexit referendum, but make sure we have our approach set out
:33:41. > :33:45.clearly, so people know there is a ability to manage, and control these
:33:46. > :33:54.things, not just ignore them. Those tax dodgers who launder their money
:33:55. > :34:00.through Panamanian banks. If we crackdown on what might be 150
:34:01. > :34:06.billion a year of tax evasion and avoidance. That is a real outlier
:34:07. > :34:10.estimate as you know, way the highest, you cannot build the FDR
:34:11. > :34:15.programme on tax evasion revenues, alone, but let me ask you. You can
:34:16. > :34:22.say to Starbucks, if you are not going to pay tax on your profits we
:34:23. > :34:26.will tax every cup of coffee. Why don't you nationalise it? I was just
:34:27. > :34:31.checking that would be the policy. Let me ask you this. By what time do
:34:32. > :34:35.you get, start to get worrieded if the polls haven't given to turn
:34:36. > :34:40.round? I mean, I think they will turn round. When do you start to get
:34:41. > :34:43.worried? If they haven't? If in a year's time it was as bad as this we
:34:44. > :34:49.would be worried. I don't think it will be. Jeremy and his team will
:34:50. > :34:54.knows can on the economy, and that is wins every election. Bill
:34:55. > :34:57.Clinton, remember it's the economy stupid. People know if you are going
:34:58. > :35:00.to spend money they want to see where it is coming from, otherwise
:35:01. > :35:06.they will think it is their taxes that will go up and the
:35:07. > :35:11.Conservative, Theresa May, will scare the British public over plans
:35:12. > :35:17.that are not properly... What do you do if things haven't got better in
:35:18. > :35:21.12 months? We lost the leadership election in the summer but we will
:35:22. > :35:28.hold our leadership to account. What does that mean? It means asking for
:35:29. > :35:33.the plan, testing what the proposals are, are they properly credible, do
:35:34. > :35:37.they make sure that they meet the test the public... You just have to
:35:38. > :35:43.bite the bottom lip now, you privately, a lot of you think your
:35:44. > :35:48.party is heading for catastrophe. I don't think it is acceptable that we
:35:49. > :35:52.have this level of performance, currently, I am sure Ken agrees the
:35:53. > :35:56.opinion polls, and those by by-election were just not good
:35:57. > :35:59.enough. We have to show leadership, certainly on Brexit, hold the
:36:00. > :36:04.Government to account. Attack them for the crisis in the NHS, yes and
:36:05. > :36:07.on the economy, to deliver credible policy force, example on defending
:36:08. > :36:11.national security and making sure we stand up for humanitarian
:36:12. > :36:17.intervention. Final point, your party has lost Scotland. You are now
:36:18. > :36:21.in third place behind the stories -- Tories. I never thought I would be
:36:22. > :36:25.able to say that in a broadcast, if you lose the north too, you are
:36:26. > :36:29.heading for the smallest Parliamentary Labour Party since the
:36:30. > :36:34.war, aren't you. But that is our weakness, we in the 13 years of the
:36:35. > :36:37.last Labour Government neglected rebuilding our manufacturing in the
:36:38. > :36:42.way the Germans have done. Millions of people used to have good job, we
:36:43. > :36:46.used to have 8 million jobs in manufacturing it is down two. It is
:36:47. > :36:48.in the north, that Jeremy's strategy has the most relevance, of actually
:36:49. > :36:54.getting the investment and rebuilding. All right. We will see.
:36:55. > :36:58.Come back in 12 months if not before and we will check it out.
:36:59. > :37:00.It's just gone 11.35, you're watching the Sunday Politics.
:37:01. > :37:03.We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now
:37:04. > :37:06.Coming up here in 20 minutes, we'll be talking
:37:07. > :37:08.about Boris Johnson's tour of the Middle East after straying
:37:09. > :37:10.off message, again, and the protestors attempting
:37:11. > :37:21.In the East Midlands... Politics where you are.
:37:22. > :37:24.Can Ukip steal seats in Labour's heartlands?
:37:25. > :37:37.I would be surprised if Ukip took it on.
:37:38. > :37:40.You could put a pig up in this constituency with a red
:37:41. > :37:44.And the villagers planning to pay for their own
:37:45. > :37:46.security patrols to replace the missing police officers.
:37:47. > :37:48.We already pay ?1 million to the police for this parish
:37:49. > :38:08.Hello, I'm Marie Ashby and my guests this week are Edward Argar,
:38:09. > :38:10.the Conservative MP for Charnwood, and Glenis Willmott,
:38:11. > :38:15.First Europe, and the government outlined its timetable
:38:16. > :38:19.Three of our MPs voted against it - Chris Leslie and Graham Allen
:38:20. > :38:21.from Labour and Ken Clarke from the Conservatives.
:38:22. > :38:23.Edward Argar, you were a Remainer before the campaign.
:38:24. > :38:27.I have always been very clear that the result of the referendum,
:38:28. > :38:30.whatever it was, had to be accepted, respected and delivered on.
:38:31. > :38:33.I am very clear that the Prime Minister has set out the right
:38:34. > :38:37.We aim to invoke Article 50, to be in the process of leaving
:38:38. > :38:40.by the end of March next year and I will be voting for that.
:38:41. > :38:43.What do you make of Ken Clarke voting against the timetable?
:38:44. > :38:46.The only Conservative MP in the country to do so.
:38:47. > :38:48.Ken is an extremely experienced and knowledgeable
:38:49. > :38:57.He's got long-held views on this subject and that is for him to vote
:38:58. > :39:00.as his conscience dictates but I am very clear that I will be voting
:39:01. > :39:03.for the invocation of Article 50 by the end of March next year
:39:04. > :39:05.in line with the Prime Minister's plan.
:39:06. > :39:07.Glenis Willmott, you're an MEP and the leader
:39:08. > :39:12.What's the atmosphere like there now since the referendum?
:39:13. > :39:18.We have had a lot of support as people who campaigned to remain
:39:19. > :39:22.in but I think people are now getting used to the idea that
:39:23. > :39:27.We have to follow the will of the people, there
:39:28. > :39:36.But we want to make sure that we get the best deal for British people
:39:37. > :39:38.that we can and we are working very hard with colleagues
:39:39. > :39:40.in the European Parliament and elsewhere to make sure
:39:41. > :39:43.that they understand that this isn't a slight against them,
:39:44. > :39:46.this is Britain's decision and we need a good deal, not just
:39:47. > :39:50.Is that what MEPs are doing at the moment?
:39:51. > :39:52.Yes, we are working closely, having various meetings
:39:53. > :39:54.with different people, different negotiators,
:39:55. > :39:56.and saying this isn't about punishing the British people,
:39:57. > :39:59.it is about getting a good deal that suits the British people
:40:00. > :40:02.Are your EU colleagues listening to you?
:40:03. > :40:08.I think there was a lot of anger at first.
:40:09. > :40:12.Initially there was a lot of anger but I think now the realisation has
:40:13. > :40:14.sunk in and they're starting to understand that they have to be
:40:15. > :40:19.But there is no doubt, whatever deal we get,
:40:20. > :40:21.we've got to make sure that the Government is held
:40:22. > :40:25.to account and that they do get the best deal in British interests.
:40:26. > :40:28.Next, Ukip may have failed to make a big dent against the Conservatives
:40:29. > :40:31.in this week's Sleaford by-election, but there are predictions the party
:40:32. > :40:34.could be a major threat to Labour in the East Midlands.
:40:35. > :40:36.One academic who's studied the party's rise has been drawing up
:40:37. > :40:39.a list of the region's seats which Ukip could win
:40:40. > :40:44.Our Political Editor Tony Roe has been looking at the findings.
:40:45. > :40:47.Kirkby-in-Ashfield, the heart of Ashfield constituency.
:40:48. > :40:49.Along with Mansfield, one of the Labour seats
:40:50. > :40:52.in the East Midlands Ukip could target at the next general
:40:53. > :40:58.election, after a tenfold increase in support last year.
:40:59. > :41:00.The reason - a strong support for Brexit here.
:41:01. > :41:09.I think they should go by what the people have
:41:10. > :41:11.voted for and I think they should honour it.
:41:12. > :41:16.I would be surprised if Ukip took it on but you never know,
:41:17. > :41:20.people are unpredictable, I guess.
:41:21. > :41:24.As regards Ukip, I firmly believe good luck to them with Mr Farage
:41:25. > :41:28.You could put a pig up in this constituency with a red
:41:29. > :41:35.At the University of Nottingham, an expert on the rise of Ukip,
:41:36. > :41:38.Dr Caitlin Milazzo, reckons with a new leader in Paul Nuttall,
:41:39. > :41:40.targeted campaigning of seats like Ashfield could be effective.
:41:41. > :41:44.Ukip is going to hit hard on these issues because they are going to try
:41:45. > :41:47.to exploit the idea that the MPs are out of step, particularly
:41:48. > :41:48.in Labour constituencies, with their constituents,
:41:49. > :41:53.and that is going to really resonate so whether or not that will be
:41:54. > :41:56.enough to convert into seats is another matter but it's certainly
:41:57. > :42:02.going to hurt Labour in the East Midlands
:42:03. > :42:05.It says around the sculpture in the centre of town,
:42:06. > :42:08."Let not the toil of our forebears be forgotten but let it be
:42:09. > :42:13.reborn in the industry and endeavour for the future."
:42:14. > :42:17.The problem is, those industries aren't here yet for Kirkby.
:42:18. > :42:20.One reason perhaps why some people here feel left behind,
:42:21. > :42:22.why they voted to leave the EU to protest.
:42:23. > :42:26.Labour here say they are not being complacent, though.
:42:27. > :42:28.Most weekends they are out campaigning.
:42:29. > :42:30.Gloria is well aware of what our constituents feel
:42:31. > :42:33.and she has done a survey which I'm sure she will publish
:42:34. > :42:36.shortly, asking the people what they want from Brexit.
:42:37. > :42:46.The Greens said, to see off the Ukip challenge in seats like this,
:42:47. > :42:49.alliances between opposition parties may be necessary.
:42:50. > :42:52.In the Green Party we are open for progressive alliances,
:42:53. > :42:56.meaning to work together with Labour, possibly the Lib Dems,
:42:57. > :43:01.and to really oppose the rise of the far right.
:43:02. > :43:03.As for the Lib Dems, they used to be the main
:43:04. > :43:10.How on earth are they going to recover the votes they lost to Ukip?
:43:11. > :43:12.The political landscape as of June 23 has changed.
:43:13. > :43:15.The lines have been redrawn around a single issue and there is only one
:43:16. > :43:19.party on one side of that and that is us.
:43:20. > :43:21.A lot depends on the timing of the next election.
:43:22. > :43:25.What will Ukip stand for if we are out of the EU?
:43:26. > :43:28.Ukip's best campaigning position is going to be if hard
:43:29. > :43:30.Brexit is delayed or, you know, they don't quite go
:43:31. > :43:39.If they do, Ukip is in a tough, tough position because essentially
:43:40. > :43:48.Theresa May has flagged them in many of these areas.
:43:49. > :43:50.How Ukip targets seats will also be important.
:43:51. > :43:51.Well they have enough resources and organisation?
:43:52. > :43:53.Fighting a general election is completely different
:43:54. > :43:58.Joining us is the leader of the Ukip group on Derby City Council,
:43:59. > :44:02.a former Labour man himself, Alan Graves.
:44:03. > :44:05.Alan, there's a lot of talk of Ukip winning Labour seats,
:44:06. > :44:10.but we heard in Tony's report that Labour loyalties run deep.
:44:11. > :44:14.One man described it as "they'd vote for a pig with a red rosette on."
:44:15. > :44:18.Well, the thing is we are taking a lot of the Labour voters.
:44:19. > :44:25.Only today, I've just signed up a Labour member into the Ukip fold.
:44:26. > :44:30.You're not making great inroads into Conservative territory,
:44:31. > :44:33.so maybe Labour's territory is the way you'll have to go to make
:44:34. > :44:38.Well, you have to be aware that the Conservatives
:44:39. > :44:44.Theresa May is still in a honeymoon period.
:44:45. > :44:47.When she fails to produce the Brexit that people want then I think you'll
:44:48. > :44:52.see Conservative voters changing over back to Ukip.
:44:53. > :44:56.But I do agree with you we are taking a lot of Labour voters.
:44:57. > :44:59.We are appealing to Labour voters up and down the country.
:45:00. > :45:01.How concerned are you about that, Glenis Willmott?
:45:02. > :45:09.We shouldn't be complacent and obviously we would be concerned
:45:10. > :45:12.if that was the case but when it to a general election people
:45:13. > :45:14.will vote on a whole range of other things.
:45:15. > :45:17.At the moment, the referendum is still in people's minds
:45:18. > :45:19.and we saw in the by-election recently that it was about Brexit.
:45:20. > :45:22.When you went on the doorstep, it was still about Brexit.
:45:23. > :45:25.When we come to a general election, what people will want to know
:45:26. > :45:29.is what are Ukip's policies on the NHS?
:45:30. > :45:31.The current leader thinks there should be more privatisation
:45:32. > :45:34.of the NHS, which is not something Labour voters agree with.
:45:35. > :45:37.It's about education, it is about a whole range of issues,
:45:38. > :45:41.Caitlin Milazzo did say in our film that your party is out of step
:45:42. > :45:44.with your voters in places like Ashfield and Mansfield.
:45:45. > :45:46.I think when you have just had that referendum vote
:45:47. > :45:49.and it is still fresh in people's minds, it is still about that
:45:50. > :45:52.and people are still talking about whether we should be Remain
:45:53. > :45:58.Yes, Labour campaigned for Remain but we have accepted
:45:59. > :46:01.the will of the British people and there will be a Brexit.
:46:02. > :46:04.Now we have to decide what sort of Brexit and nobody
:46:05. > :46:07.voted for a hard Brexit, nobody voted to lose jobs
:46:08. > :46:10.and lower living standards, so we have to make sure we get
:46:11. > :46:14.the best Brexit deal we can possibly get and that is our job to make sure
:46:15. > :46:21.Well, I think what we have seen recently and we saw it
:46:22. > :46:23.in Sleaford on Thursday, is that the Ukip vote
:46:24. > :46:29.It was a very strong endorsement, I think, that result,
:46:30. > :46:37.We have seen in opinion polls that Ukip, which was on about 19% in some
:46:38. > :46:40.polls as recently as six months ago, is now down to 10-11%.
:46:41. > :46:44.I would urge caution, of course, because what this year has taught us
:46:45. > :46:48.in politics is be careful, don't predict anything.
:46:49. > :46:51.Are the Lib Dems more of a threat to the Conservatives right now?
:46:52. > :46:55.On the basis of what I have seen, and I think we saw this
:46:56. > :46:58.in Sleaford and North Hykeham, again, the Lib Dems,
:46:59. > :47:01.there is a Lib Dem vote there but it was a very weak Lib Dem
:47:02. > :47:03.vote compared with the overall result for the Conservatives.
:47:04. > :47:06.What I found on the doorstep and what I find in my own
:47:07. > :47:11.constituency is a number of people who have toyed with Ukip in the past
:47:12. > :47:13.coming back to the Conservatives because they believe Theresa May
:47:14. > :47:15.is the right person to actually deliver Brexit
:47:16. > :47:22.Alan, how do you go about winning in places
:47:23. > :47:28.Well, first of all, we are actually on 14%,
:47:29. > :47:35.not 10 or 11, so our vote is actually holding from.
:47:36. > :47:38.so our vote is actually -- holding firm.
:47:39. > :47:42.If you look at the results, the Conservative vote actually
:47:43. > :47:45.lowered a lot more than us and the Labour vote disintegrated.
:47:46. > :47:49.I think Ukip are doing very well because we have just had
:47:50. > :47:52.a horrendous summer as a party and I think that is very positive
:47:53. > :47:55.for us because there we are holding our vote in a place
:47:56. > :47:58.like Sleaford and North Hykeham, so I am very pleased with the result
:47:59. > :48:00.and I think that particularly the Labour Party needs
:48:01. > :48:03.to be very, very careful because they will go into oblivion
:48:04. > :48:06.You're disintegrating and could go into oblivion.
:48:07. > :48:10.There were only 1000 votes between Ukip and Labour.
:48:11. > :48:13.Between Ukip, Liberal and Labour of there were 1000 votes
:48:14. > :48:15.on Thursday, so it wasn't such a huge...
:48:16. > :48:22.We were never going to win in a seat like that.
:48:23. > :48:31.You thought you were going to do better because you had
:48:32. > :48:35.Paul Nuttall was there thinking Ukip were going to do
:48:36. > :48:37.It must have been very disappointing.
:48:38. > :48:39.It doesn't look good, though, does it?
:48:40. > :48:50.Obviously it was disappointing but I do think we all know
:48:51. > :48:53.In a general election, people make their choices
:48:54. > :48:57.Is one of the things that attracts people to Ukip, though,
:48:58. > :49:01.There's an example here of Ukip doing things on the ground
:49:02. > :49:03.in Derby for example, the Labour council isn't having any
:49:04. > :49:06.bin collections over Christmas and Ukip are offering to do them.
:49:07. > :49:11.That is the kind of bread-and-butter stuff they can do on the ground
:49:12. > :49:13.and maybe that is what attracts people to them.
:49:14. > :49:16.I think it is jolly decent of them to do that if there
:49:17. > :49:18.That's fantastic they are doing that.
:49:19. > :49:23.But it is not what people vote on in a general election.
:49:24. > :49:26.Really they want to know what are you doing about educating our kids,
:49:27. > :49:28.what are you doing about accident and emergency levels,
:49:29. > :49:31.what are you doing about all of these big things,
:49:32. > :49:32.what are you doing about wages and jobs?
:49:33. > :49:35.Ukip has no answers to that and we all know that.
:49:36. > :49:39.Paul Nuttall thinks that the NHS should be privatised.
:49:40. > :49:49.He is not saying that he wants NHS privatised.
:49:50. > :49:55.He is on record as saying that we should have more
:49:56. > :49:59.Labour voters do not agree with that.
:50:00. > :50:03.The biggest privatisation of the NHS was under the Labour Party
:50:04. > :50:05.in control so let's get our facts straight.
:50:06. > :50:08.They will make their views known in a general election and I don't
:50:09. > :50:11.think you will see that Ukip will be winning many seats
:50:12. > :50:14.We heard Kat Boettge from the Greens in the East Midlands
:50:15. > :50:16.call for an alliance of opposition parties.
:50:17. > :50:18.Is that something that would worry you?
:50:19. > :50:20.No, and I think what is important actually...
:50:21. > :50:27...that voters get the choice they would expect in an election.
:50:28. > :50:30.If people feel strongly with a particular party political
:50:31. > :50:33.view that they have a platform to put forward I think they should
:50:34. > :50:36.be honest with the voters, put themselves forward for election
:50:37. > :50:40.What I think would be wrong would be essentially for sort of backroom
:50:41. > :50:43.deals in smoke-filled rooms of parties to carve up who does
:50:44. > :50:47.or doesn't go on that ballot paper, to see who has the best chance.
:50:48. > :50:49.I think let people put themselves forward,
:50:50. > :50:54.as we have always done in this country, democratically.
:50:55. > :50:57.Let the people choose rather than trying to carve it up.
:50:58. > :50:58.What we need is more proportional representation,
:50:59. > :51:00.a form of proportional representation in our country.
:51:01. > :51:11.If you look at the last general election, we got
:51:12. > :51:13.nearly 4 million votes, which in proportional terms
:51:14. > :51:20.So there is something wrong with our electoral system.
:51:21. > :51:24.Thank you very much indeed for joining us.
:51:25. > :51:26.Another referendum could be on the horizon in the East Midlands,
:51:27. > :51:29.but don't panic, it's just for one Nottinghamshire village.
:51:30. > :51:32.People in Selston are deciding tomorrow if they should have a vote
:51:33. > :51:34.on bringing in their own private security to replace police patrols
:51:35. > :51:37.Helen McCulloch's been along to hear their complaints.
:51:38. > :51:40.The problems we have are in the evenings when you have
:51:41. > :51:42.anti-social behaviour, kids who come here for drugs
:51:43. > :51:43.pick-ups and drop-offs, around this corner here,
:51:44. > :51:47.and then you've got them causing problems for the neighbours here,
:51:48. > :51:57.kicking their fence and doing all kinds of things.
:51:58. > :52:00.Do you think those kids that turn up, they know there are no
:52:01. > :52:07.They are problems many people will recognise in our rural areas.
:52:08. > :52:10.A community that feels isolated and neglected by its police force.
:52:11. > :52:12.The last arresting officer left here, this contact centre,
:52:13. > :52:20.We have no arresting police officers so if there is any incidents,
:52:21. > :52:23.we have to ring the police and wait for somebody to come.
:52:24. > :52:27.And the response time is roughly seven minutes.
:52:28. > :52:34.By which time, somebody could be beaten to death.
:52:35. > :52:36.Police have said repeatedly that the traditional bobbies
:52:37. > :52:40.on the beat isn't necessarily the best way to fight crime
:52:41. > :52:43.but a declining police presence here in Selston has left the parish
:52:44. > :52:46.council to offer its own rather radical solution -
:52:47. > :52:52.The scheme is based on a similar idea at the village
:52:53. > :53:00.The village is probably more famous for its jams,
:53:01. > :53:02.but it was the first to bring in private security
:53:03. > :53:06.Council taxpayers are charged an extra pound to cover the cost
:53:07. > :53:09.and Tiptree Parish Council says the marshals haven't made any
:53:10. > :53:12.arrests yet but anti-social behaviour in the village has fallen
:53:13. > :53:18.The Selston scheme would see council tax bills rise by ?25 per year.
:53:19. > :53:29.The police should be doing the job as it is, really.
:53:30. > :53:31.In principle I think it is a good idea in itself.
:53:32. > :53:34.Personally I think it is a good idea.
:53:35. > :53:38.Nottinghamshire Police Commissioner Paddy Tipping is in charge
:53:39. > :53:40.of choosing police priorities in the county and says cuts
:53:41. > :53:43.to police budgets are a big part of the problem.
:53:44. > :53:48.Who would have thought that terrorism was such a big threat
:53:49. > :53:58.Giving people a say, asking them to pay more locally
:53:59. > :54:02.and be less dependent on government grant makes a lot of sense.
:54:03. > :54:05.We already pay ?1 million to the police for this parish
:54:06. > :54:17.We have become a cash cow to the urban areas.
:54:18. > :54:19.What is your message to the Government on this one?
:54:20. > :54:25.Why are they not supporting the people that elected them?
:54:26. > :54:27.They should be giving the police whatever funding they need
:54:28. > :54:36.At the moment, people in Selston do not feel safe.
:54:37. > :54:39.The police say overall crime is falling in Selston and there has
:54:40. > :54:44.been opposition to the plan in the village itself.
:54:45. > :54:46.There will be a public meeting tomorrow to decide whether to go
:54:47. > :54:50.ahead with the referendum on the scheme.
:54:51. > :54:53.Edward Argar, you have a lot of rural areas in your constituency.
:54:54. > :54:56.Would you approve of them paying extra to get more security?
:54:57. > :55:02.We mustn't forget the spending projections by the Government
:55:03. > :55:04.are that by 2019-20 actually there will be an additional
:55:05. > :55:08.?900 million going into policing so we need to get that in context.
:55:09. > :55:11.There are changes in the way that policing is happening.
:55:12. > :55:18.In my own county of Leicestershire we have seen similar changes.
:55:19. > :55:20.We have protected and kept neighbourhood policing as a service
:55:21. > :55:29.We have seen crime over the past five years or so drop by over 25%.
:55:30. > :55:31.But the parish chairman was insistent that he wasn't blaming
:55:32. > :55:34.the police, he was blaming the cuts brought in by your government.
:55:35. > :55:37.Your own police force in Leicestershire has made
:55:38. > :55:42.?36 million of cuts in the last five years, and estimates it needs
:55:43. > :55:55.Firstly, as I said, we have seen projections
:55:56. > :55:58.for an increase in police spending by 2019-20 overall.
:55:59. > :56:00.We have also seen in Leicestershire a significant reduction in crime,
:56:01. > :56:03.including anti-social behaviour, and I think the same is true
:56:04. > :56:06.for Nottinghamshire and that part of Nottinghamshire.
:56:07. > :56:08.Are you saying to those people in Selston that it
:56:09. > :56:12.They certainly feel this is very real, it is on their doorstep.
:56:13. > :56:15.What I have also said is that certainly in Leicestershire
:56:16. > :56:17.and I believe Paddy Tipping in Nottinghamshire is
:56:18. > :56:19.doing the same, there is still a police presence,
:56:20. > :56:20.there is still neighbourhood policing.
:56:21. > :56:23.I think the chairman of the parish council said they could have someone
:56:24. > :56:26.there within about seven minutes to deal with that.
:56:27. > :56:28.It comes to something, Glenis Willmott, when villages
:56:29. > :56:31.like this are considering that as an option.
:56:32. > :56:34.Would you be for it, for villages like that bringing
:56:35. > :56:38.They're still having to pay the precept for ordinary
:56:39. > :56:57.To then have to pay more, I think it is a decision for them
:56:58. > :57:01.I think there has been a drop of about 18% in numbers of police
:57:02. > :57:03.officers in Nottinghamshire alone and people always feel
:57:04. > :57:05.safer when they see, when police officers are visible.
:57:06. > :57:08.It doesn't matter about other things that are happening but people
:57:09. > :57:11.want to see bobbies on the beat, that's what they want.
:57:12. > :57:15.But Edward was saying more money is going to be
:57:16. > :57:17.People are saying crime has gone down.
:57:18. > :57:20.It may be the case but if those villagers aren't seeing policemen
:57:21. > :57:22.around or policewomen, that makes a difference
:57:23. > :57:25.to the perception and how they feel because they do not feel safer.
:57:26. > :57:29.Looking at the latest, and again I will go to Leicestershire on this
:57:30. > :57:32.one because I know the perceptions data there, people are saying
:57:33. > :57:34.they do feel safe and they believe that Leicestershire
:57:35. > :57:39.We heard from the parish council chairman there saying that
:57:40. > :57:43.You also heard them saying it is an issue that has mixed
:57:44. > :57:47.The reality is also that, yes, as Glenis says,
:57:48. > :57:49.she is absolutely right, a police presence and that
:57:50. > :57:51.reassurance and that deterrence value of the bobby on the beat
:57:52. > :57:55.Maybe people should have to pay more for the police
:57:56. > :58:00.We have also got to look at the way that crime is changing and one
:58:01. > :58:02.of the biggest new types of crime is cyber crime.
:58:03. > :58:06.That is not dealt with by a bobby on the beat, it is dealt
:58:07. > :58:08.with by very technically highly trained officers sitting
:58:09. > :58:13.We have to recognise the way that policing happens has changed.
:58:14. > :58:16.I actually agree about the cyber crime issue and obviously you need
:58:17. > :58:21.People's fear, whether it is perception or not,
:58:22. > :58:24.has to be dealt with, and if they feel they need more
:58:25. > :58:27.bobbies on the beat then we should be looking at that.
:58:28. > :58:31.You can't do that if you reduce police numbers.
:58:32. > :58:34.We have to stop having cuts upon cuts upon cuts.
:58:35. > :58:36.We have had these years and years of cuts and our finances,
:58:37. > :58:42.People have had the pain, they have had no gain,
:58:43. > :58:48.Time now for a round up of some of the other political stories
:58:49. > :59:02.400 posts could go and services will be cut by Leicestershire County
:59:03. > :59:05.Council in its latest budget proposal, and it still needs
:59:06. > :59:12.The chairman of the Shirebrook-based Sports Direct says an extreme
:59:13. > :59:17.political union and media campaign has damaged its reputation
:59:18. > :59:21.The company revealed a big fall in profits this week,
:59:22. > :59:27.which it also blamed partly on the fall in the pound.
:59:28. > :59:30.Concerns about the growth of giant distribution centres has been
:59:31. > :59:31.raised in Parliament by the South Leicestershire MP.
:59:32. > :59:35.Alberto Costa is worried about plans to double the size of Magna Park.
:59:36. > :59:41.How large do these logistics parks need to get?
:59:42. > :59:44.The Government was sympathetic to his call for a national policy.
:59:45. > :59:46.The worldwide success of Leicester City and the discoverer
:59:47. > :59:49.of Richard III's body could help to attract ?50 million
:59:50. > :59:51.of investment and create thousands of jobs in the city.
:59:52. > :59:53.The mayor, Sir Peter Soulsby, says Leicester is now firmly
:59:54. > :00:04.That's the Sunday Politics in the East Midlands.
:00:05. > :00:06.Thanks to Glenis Wilmott and Edward Argar for
:00:07. > :00:13.Time now to hand you back to Andrew Neil.
:00:14. > :00:15.still the biggest factor. We are running out of time.
:00:16. > :00:29.Now, Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson was rebuked
:00:30. > :00:32.by Downing Street this week - yes, again - after the Guardian
:00:33. > :00:34.revealed he had accused Saudi Arabia of being among countries engaged
:00:35. > :00:36.in fighting "proxy wars" in the Middle East, breaking
:00:37. > :00:39.the Foreign Office's convention of not criticising a key UK ally
:00:40. > :00:42.in the region and annoying the prime minister who'd just returned
:00:43. > :00:49.The Defence Secretary Michael Fallon was asked about it
:00:50. > :00:57.And let's be very clear about this, the way some of his remarks
:00:58. > :00:59.were reported seemed to imply we didn't support the right
:01:00. > :01:02.of Saudi Arabia to defend itself, and it is being attacked by Houthi
:01:03. > :01:04.terrorists from over the border with Yemen,
:01:05. > :01:07.didn't support what Saudi is doing in leading the campaign to restore
:01:08. > :01:14.Some of the reporting led people to think that, and that is all...
:01:15. > :01:17.This was simply the way it was reported and interpreted.
:01:18. > :01:19.The way it was interpreted left people with the impression
:01:20. > :01:28.that we didn't support Saudi Arabia and we do.
:01:29. > :01:30.Well, Mr Johnson has been in the Saudi capital
:01:31. > :01:32.Riyadh this morning, so how's he been received?
:01:33. > :01:34.Our security correspondent Frank Gardner is in neighbouring
:01:35. > :01:41.Bahrain, where Mr Johnson was earlier in the weekend.
:01:42. > :01:46.It has probably been a long time since there has been such interest
:01:47. > :01:51.in a British Foreign Secretary visiting the gulf region. What are
:01:52. > :01:57.the political elites there making of it all? Well, they think to be
:01:58. > :02:02.honest it is a bit of a storm in a tea cup this is a bit of a Whitehall
:02:03. > :02:07.story, I think a lot of people I have spoken to tend to believe that
:02:08. > :02:11.Number Ten have made such a fuss about this, that it has created a
:02:12. > :02:16.story in itself. That said, though, I think that behind the scenes there
:02:17. > :02:21.was a certain amount of damage limitation taking place between
:02:22. > :02:25.London and Riyadh, a bit of smoothing of feathers and reassuring
:02:26. > :02:29.and the Stade Saudis tell me they are reassured the message they are
:02:30. > :02:33.taking is. Coming from Number Ten and they are not taking Boris
:02:34. > :02:38.Johnson's comments to heart. He is in the dam, he has met the king, I
:02:39. > :02:44.tweet add picture of that just a few minutes ago. He has been meeting
:02:45. > :02:48.Crown Prince, and he is now meeting the Foreign Minister, so the Saudis
:02:49. > :02:51.got an opportunity to brief him according to their vision of the
:02:52. > :02:55.Middle East. They will share their security concern, which is not just
:02:56. > :02:59.what is going on in Yemen, but they are very concerned about what they
:03:00. > :03:03.see as Iranian expansionism, that has been a theme here at this
:03:04. > :03:09.conference in Bahrain that Boris Johnson addressed only a day or two
:03:10. > :03:13.ago. If we put aside Mr Johnson's supposed gaffes or even the Downing
:03:14. > :03:19.Street slapping down of him, we have had the Prime Minister in the region
:03:20. > :03:26.earlier this week, we have got Mr Johnson there now, can we yet divine
:03:27. > :03:33.what the May Government strategy is in the Golf? -- Guff. In three
:03:34. > :03:42.words, in Boris Johnson's words Britain is back. He was very quick
:03:43. > :03:45.to say not in a jingoistic running up flags, new imperial list way,
:03:46. > :03:52.although that is Howley be seen by some. He gave a very forceful speech
:03:53. > :03:57.which seemed to go down well the gulf hosts here on Friday night
:03:58. > :04:03.which said Britain made a strategic mistake in, after 1968 in
:04:04. > :04:08.withdrawing east of Suez and it will reverse that decision, and invest ?3
:04:09. > :04:13.billion over the next ten years in building up its military not bases
:04:14. > :04:17.exactly but facilities -- facilities that are here in this part of the
:04:18. > :04:21.world. There are currently 15 hundred hundred British servicemen
:04:22. > :04:25.and women in this region, seven warships and so on. It isn't
:04:26. > :04:29.entirely true to say Britain withdrew east of Suez because we
:04:30. > :04:35.have had a military presence on and off here, the RAF had a base here in
:04:36. > :04:41.Bahrain during the Gulf War of 91. In 2003, of course, British planes
:04:42. > :04:46.and troops deployed from this area, but he and Theresa May are both
:04:47. > :04:51.saying post-Brexit, Britain's big emphasis or one of the big pushes is
:04:52. > :04:56.going to be to redouble its ties with gulf Arab nations, that isn't
:04:57. > :05:01.going to come as an easy bit of new, I think, to human rights campaigners
:05:02. > :05:07.and anti-arms campaigners because a large part of the ?7 billion of
:05:08. > :05:11.bilateral trade Britain did with Saudi Arabia comes from arms deals
:05:12. > :05:16.and those arms are being used in the conflict in Yemen, in some cases
:05:17. > :05:21.with tragic consequences. Thank you very much for talking to us.
:05:22. > :05:29.Instead of concentrating on Mr Johnson's gaffes, or Downing Street
:05:30. > :05:34.reaction to it. Frank Gardner there has just given us a really important
:05:35. > :05:38.development, or explained what the British are up to there now. They
:05:39. > :05:42.want to be back in the gulf big time. Isn't that something we should
:05:43. > :05:46.be debating and discussing? It is fascinating. It is yet another
:05:47. > :05:50.example post-Brexit I would say this is someone who voted to Brexit, that
:05:51. > :05:56.the world is changing, and Britain's role is going to be transformed
:05:57. > :06:01.post-Brexit. I mean just on the Boris point, I completely agree, I
:06:02. > :06:05.think a lot of it is ridiculous, in a Whitehall belt way stuff, but I
:06:06. > :06:11.think what is really important about it, is that Number Ten feel
:06:12. > :06:14.threatened by him, and the reason that these ridiculous gaffes and
:06:15. > :06:21.many of them are not even gaffes are pounced upon is he is the main rival
:06:22. > :06:25.for the Crown, so it is high level power play politics, and it is May
:06:26. > :06:30.trying to keep him in his place. What do you make though, of Britain
:06:31. > :06:35.is back in the gulf? That is the big story, is it not. Utterly bizarre,
:06:36. > :06:39.post imperial fantasy, the idea we are back east of Suez? We are
:06:40. > :06:44.breaking off from our closest ally, most like us, the rest of Europe,
:06:45. > :06:50.democratic, decent human rights country, and instead we are allying
:06:51. > :06:56.ourself to perilous, dangerous, unpleasant countries... Why should
:06:57. > :07:04.we be back in the gulf? If that is the trade off, these are, you know,
:07:05. > :07:08.these renasty kingdoms, petty unpleasant and unstable countries.
:07:09. > :07:12.Don't we have to keep the straits open otherwise the oil supply
:07:13. > :07:16.collapses and the world economy will go into the worst recession
:07:17. > :07:21.depression ever? Don't we have to be involved in that We do, and I think
:07:22. > :07:25.what happens is if we leave Europe and we need trade everywhere else,
:07:26. > :07:29.we have to travel the world on our knees begging for friends from the
:07:30. > :07:36.most unsavoury people, where ever they are, whether it is... You keep
:07:37. > :07:39.saying we are leaving Europe, that is a geographic impossibility.
:07:40. > :07:44.Britain is part of Europe, we are the... Not what Liam Fox is saying.
:07:45. > :07:48.The key power in Nato, we are leaving the European Union, that is
:07:49. > :07:54.a different Tring from Europe. I am trying to move away from Mr Johnson,
:07:55. > :07:59.or even Downing Street to... You got yourself into a Brexit row.
:08:00. > :08:03.Everything is through the prism of Brexit, even what you have for
:08:04. > :08:07.breakfast, when you mix up the word like I did last week. What do you
:08:08. > :08:12.make of what Frank Gardner told us? I am somewhere between the two. It
:08:13. > :08:15.is a nighs the line say we are back in the Middle East and we will take
:08:16. > :08:20.this part of the world seriously, the truth is our military is almost
:08:21. > :08:25.tiny, it is smaller than it was in the Napoleonic wars, that is not a
:08:26. > :08:30.huge amount more. Of course there S one of the two new aircraft
:08:31. > :08:35.carriers, that will be deployed in the gulf, to help the Americans keep
:08:36. > :08:43.the straits of her muz open, because it is in Europe's interest, not just
:08:44. > :08:48.Britains, Europe's interest that these straits stay open, which is
:08:49. > :08:53.more so than America. That is what FRANK was talking about. That is no
:08:54. > :09:00.change, British foreign policy has been keeping the straits open... Now
:09:01. > :09:06.we have the ability do it. We don't have an aircraft aier at the moment.
:09:07. > :09:14.Nor do we have the fleet of ships it needs. It is a great thing to be
:09:15. > :09:17.trade morgue with the Nice, to be turning -- Middle East, to be
:09:18. > :09:22.turning round more tax revenues and the like. Even selling weapons. I
:09:23. > :09:26.don't know what more can be done. You look at what has happened. BBC
:09:27. > :09:30.has had horrific reports from the Yemen and if you look at what the
:09:31. > :09:36.weapons are being used for, is that the trade we want? Right. Let us
:09:37. > :09:39.move on. Mr Corbyn was giving a speech yesterday but he was
:09:40. > :09:40.inter#ru79ded by Peter Tatchell. -- interrupted.
:09:41. > :09:53.Peter, could we leave this to the questions please?
:09:54. > :09:56.Peter, we are trying to make a speech here and then
:09:57. > :10:09.Was Peter Tatchell right do that yesterday? It is a bit of a
:10:10. > :10:15.distraction really. Jeremy Corbyn 17% in the polled is not going to be
:10:16. > :10:19.able to change... You mean his personal rating. If you want to do
:10:20. > :10:25.something about Syria you ought to be addressing the Government rather
:10:26. > :10:28.than a failing Labour leader. Peter Tatchell's line was Labour in
:10:29. > :10:34.general, Mr Corbyn in particular had not been vocal enough in condemning
:10:35. > :10:41.what the Russians and their Assad allies are doing in Aleppo. It was
:10:42. > :10:44.interesting Mr Corbyn had to ask Emily Thornberry if and when had
:10:45. > :10:52.they condemned what the Russians were doing? It was unclear. Other
:10:53. > :10:57.than Mrs Thornbury herself. There is a fascinating fault line in politics
:10:58. > :11:01.which is the Trump administration, the way in which parts of the
:11:02. > :11:07.British left have made themselves useful idiots once again for the
:11:08. > :11:10.Kremlin and it its policies. I think more broadly, you consider all the
:11:11. > :11:14.things we have been discussing, it is a national tragedy what is
:11:15. > :11:19.happening to the Labour Party. You don't know whether to laugh or cry
:11:20. > :11:24.watching that event. Corbyn was at a stop the war rally event only last
:11:25. > :11:29.week, and they of course are very close to the Kremlin, they blame the
:11:30. > :11:36.west, well they blame the west much more... They always blame the west.
:11:37. > :11:40.And not the Russians. I agree Jeremy Corbyn having to check with Emily
:11:41. > :11:46.Thornberry what the Labour Party's policy was on bombing Aleppo... If
:11:47. > :11:51.and when they condemned it. He needs to no better. The fact that we are
:11:52. > :11:56.talking about what was a pretty small scale protest, rather than
:11:57. > :12:00.anything Corbyn said, shows he wasn't saying anything relevant. We
:12:01. > :12:04.will get a huge amount of tweet saying the BBC are anti-Corbyn. I
:12:05. > :12:07.understand that, that shouldn't intimidate us from saying, from
:12:08. > :12:12.analysing what is happening, and here is one yard stick, of course it
:12:13. > :12:15.is fundamentally the Government's choice, but it could be an indicator
:12:16. > :12:21.of whether the Labour Party is relevant or not in only issues, in
:12:22. > :12:26.reason pert Murdoch is making a take over bid for all of Sky and so far
:12:27. > :12:31.you would have to bet, policy, that it is going to get through pretty
:12:32. > :12:35.much unscathed. It is extraordinary. It is connected with Leveson, and
:12:36. > :12:38.the fact that that has disappeared. That the idea of restraining the
:12:39. > :12:43.press in any way at all, and virtual will I the whole of the press is
:12:44. > :12:48.behind that, and it seems to go with allowing what wasn't allowed before.
:12:49. > :12:54.He was judged as unfit before. He is as unfit now, to control that much
:12:55. > :12:58.of the media, and as he was when he made the last bid for Sky. It is
:12:59. > :13:03.time people stood up and said so. You look at the press he runs, the
:13:04. > :13:07.cultural effect he has has on this country which has been appalling,
:13:08. > :13:14.you know about this. Tom, I better let you have a word. I don't agree
:13:15. > :13:20.at all Polly but the lesson for the Labour Party, is if they don't want
:13:21. > :13:24.to have any influence at all, they have to be credible, and stand a
:13:25. > :13:26.reasonable chance of becoming Prime Minister or becoming Government,
:13:27. > :13:31.that is the only way they will get leverage. We need to leave it there.
:13:32. > :13:37.I was going to say we will come back to it. We will see. The Daily
:13:38. > :13:40.Politics will be back at noon tomorrow.
:13:41. > :13:43.and we'll be back here next Sunday for the last show of 2016.
:13:44. > :14:40.Remember - if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics.
:14:41. > :14:46.# We're going to have a party tonight