:00:37. > :00:39.It's Sunday morning, and this is the Sunday Politics.
:00:40. > :00:43.Theresa May will be the first foreign leader to visit US
:00:44. > :00:45.President Donald Trump this week - she's promised to hold "very
:00:46. > :00:49.frank" conversations with the new and controversial
:00:50. > :00:55.Speaking of the 45th President of America,
:00:56. > :00:59.we'll be looking at what the Trump presidency could hold
:01:00. > :01:05.in store for Britain and the rest of the world.
:01:06. > :01:08.And with the Supreme Court expected to say that Parliament should
:01:09. > :01:11.have a vote before the Brexit process begins, we'll ask
:01:12. > :01:18.And in the East Midlands: what Labour will do next.
:01:19. > :01:20.What impact will leaving the single market have on businesses here?
:01:21. > :01:22.And a fairer funding formula that leaves
:01:23. > :01:38.And to talk about all of that and more, I'm joined by three
:01:39. > :01:40.journalists who, in an era of so-called fake news, can be
:01:41. > :01:44.relied upon for their accuracy, their impartiality -
:01:45. > :01:47.and their willingness to come to the studio
:01:48. > :01:53.It's Steve Richards, Julia Hartley-Brewer
:01:54. > :02:00.and Tom Newton Dunn, and during the programme they'll be
:02:01. > :02:04.tweeting as often as the 45th President of the USA in the middle
:02:05. > :02:14.So - the Prime Minister has been appearing on the BBC this morning.
:02:15. > :02:16.She was mostly talking about Donald Trump and Brexit,
:02:17. > :02:19.but she was also asked about a story on the front of this
:02:20. > :02:23.It's reported that an unarmed Trident missile test fired
:02:24. > :02:29.from the submarine HMS Vengeance near the Florida coast in June
:02:30. > :02:38.The paper says the incident took place weeks before a crucial Commons
:02:39. > :02:42.Well, let's have listen to Theresa May talking
:02:43. > :02:47.The issue that we were talking about in the House of Commons
:02:48. > :02:51.It was about whether or not we should renew Trident,
:02:52. > :02:54.whether we should look to the future and have a replacement Trident.
:02:55. > :02:57.That's what we were talking about in the House of Commons.
:02:58. > :02:59.That's what the House of Commons voted for.
:03:00. > :03:05.He doesn't want to defend our country with an independent
:03:06. > :03:12.There are tests that take place all the time, regularly,
:03:13. > :03:20.What we were talking about in that debate that took place...
:03:21. > :03:27.I'm not going to get an answer to this.
:03:28. > :03:34.Tom, it was clear this was going to come up this morning. It is on the
:03:35. > :03:39.front page of the Sunday Times. It would seem to me the Prime Minister
:03:40. > :03:45.wasn't properly briefed on how to reply. I think she probably was, but
:03:46. > :03:48.the Prime Minister we now have doesn't necessarily answer all
:03:49. > :03:56.questions in the straightest way. She didn't answer that one and all.
:03:57. > :04:03.Unlike previous ones? She made it quite clear she was briefed. You
:04:04. > :04:08.read between the Theresa May lines. By simply not answering Andrew Marr
:04:09. > :04:12.four times, it is obvious she knew, and that she knew before she went
:04:13. > :04:18.into the House of Commons and urged everyone to renew the ?40 billion
:04:19. > :04:21.replacement programme. Of course it is an embarrassment, but does it
:04:22. > :04:27.have political legs? I don't think so. She didn't mislead the Commons.
:04:28. > :04:33.If she wanted to close it down, the answer should have been, these are
:04:34. > :04:36.matters of national security. There's nothing more important in
:04:37. > :04:43.that than our nuclear deterrent. I'm not prepared to talk about testing.
:04:44. > :04:48.End of. But she didn't. Maybe you should be briefing her. That's a
:04:49. > :04:54.good answer. She is an interesting interviewee. She shows it when she
:04:55. > :04:58.is nervous. She was transparently uneasy answering those questions,
:04:59. > :05:03.and the fact she didn't answer it definitively suggests she did know
:05:04. > :05:07.and didn't want to say it, and she answered awkwardly. But how wider
:05:08. > :05:12.point, that the House of Commons voted for the renewal of Trident,
:05:13. > :05:17.suggests to me that in the broader sweep of things, this will not run,
:05:18. > :05:24.because if there was another vote, I would suggest she'd win it again.
:05:25. > :05:28.But it is an embarrassment and she handled it with a transparent
:05:29. > :05:34.awkwardness. She said that the tests go on all the time, but not of the
:05:35. > :05:38.missiles. Does it not show that when the Prime Minister leaves her
:05:39. > :05:43.comfort zone of Home Office affairs or related matters, she often
:05:44. > :05:50.struggles. We've seen it under questioning from Mr Corbyn even, and
:05:51. > :05:53.we saw it again today. Absolutely. Tests of various aspects of the
:05:54. > :05:59.missiles go on all the time, but there's only been five since 2000.
:06:00. > :06:03.What you described wouldn't have worked, because in previous tests
:06:04. > :06:11.they have always been very public about it. Look how well our missiles
:06:12. > :06:19.work! She may not have misled Parliament, but she may not have
:06:20. > :06:24.known about it. If she didn't know, does Michael Fallon still have a job
:06:25. > :06:30.on Monday? Should Parliament know about a test that doesn't work? Some
:06:31. > :06:36.would say absolutely not. Our deterrent is there to deter people
:06:37. > :06:41.from attacking us. If they know that we are hitting the United States by
:06:42. > :06:46.mistake rather than the Atlantic Ocean, then... There is such a thing
:06:47. > :06:52.as national security, and telling all the bad guys about where we are
:06:53. > :06:56.going wrong may not be a good idea. It was her first statement as Prime
:06:57. > :07:01.Minister to put her case for renewal, to have the vote on
:07:02. > :07:05.Trident, and in that context, it is significant not to say anything. If
:07:06. > :07:08.anyone knows where the missile landed, give us a call!
:07:09. > :07:11.So Donald Trump's inauguration day closed with him dancing
:07:12. > :07:14.to Frank Sinatra's My Way, and whatever your view on the 45th
:07:15. > :07:16.President of the United States he certainly did do it his way.
:07:17. > :07:19.Not for him the idealistic call for national unity -
:07:20. > :07:21.instead he used Friday's inaugural address to launch a blistering
:07:22. > :07:25.attack on the dark state of the nation and the political
:07:26. > :07:29.class, and to promise to take his uncompromising approach
:07:30. > :07:33.from the campaign trail to the White House.
:07:34. > :07:37.Here's Adam Fleming, with a reminder of how
:07:38. > :07:45.First, dropping by for a cup of tea and a slightly awkward exchange
:07:46. > :07:54.Then, friends, foes and predecessors watched
:07:55. > :08:01.I, Donald John Trump, do solemnly swear...
:08:02. > :08:06.The crowds seemed smaller than previous inaugurations,
:08:07. > :08:10.the speech tougher then any previous incoming president.
:08:11. > :08:17.From this day forth, it's going to be only America first.
:08:18. > :08:42.In the meantime, there were sporadic protests in Washington, DC.
:08:43. > :08:46.Opponents made their voices heard around the world too.
:08:47. > :08:48.The President, who'd criticised the work of
:08:49. > :08:53.the intelligence agencies, fitted in a visit to the CIA.
:08:54. > :08:56.There is nobody that feels stronger about the intelligence community
:08:57. > :09:08.And, back at the office, in the dark, a signature signalled
:09:09. > :09:14.the end of the Obama era and the dawn of Trump.
:09:15. > :09:20.So, as you heard there, President Trump used his
:09:21. > :09:23.inauguration to repeat his campaign promise to put "America first"
:09:24. > :09:26.in all his decisions, and offered some hints of what to expect
:09:27. > :09:42.He talked of in America in carnage, to be rebuilt by American hands and
:09:43. > :09:46.American Labour. President Trump has already started to dismantle key
:09:47. > :09:51.parts of the Obama Legacy, including the unwinding of the affordable care
:09:52. > :09:56.act, and the siding of the climate action plan to tackle global
:09:57. > :10:01.warning. Little to say about foreign policy, but promised to eradicate
:10:02. > :10:05.Islamic terrorism from the face of the Earth, insisting he would
:10:06. > :10:11.restore the US military to unquestioning dominance. He also
:10:12. > :10:15.said the US would develop a state missile defence system to deal with
:10:16. > :10:21.threats he sees from Iran and North Korea. In a statement that painted a
:10:22. > :10:26.bleak picture of the country he now runs, he said his would be a law and
:10:27. > :10:31.order Administration, and he would keep the innocents safe by building
:10:32. > :10:37.the border war with Mexico. One thing he didn't mention, for the
:10:38. > :10:39.first time ever, there is a Eurosceptic in the oval office, who
:10:40. > :10:42.is also an enthusiast for Brexit. We're joined now by Ted Malloch -
:10:43. > :10:46.he's a Trump supporter who's been tipped as the president's
:10:47. > :10:47.choice for US ambassador to the EU, and he's
:10:48. > :10:50.just flown back from Washington. And by James Rubin -
:10:51. > :11:01.he's a democrat who served Let's start with that last point I
:11:02. > :11:08.made in the voice over there. We now have a Eurosceptic in the oval
:11:09. > :11:11.office. He is pro-Brexit and not keen on further European Union
:11:12. > :11:17.integration. What are the implications of that? First of all,
:11:18. > :11:23.a renewal of the US- UK special relationship. You see the Prime
:11:24. > :11:27.Minister already going to build and rebuild this relationship. Already,
:11:28. > :11:32.the bust of Winston Churchill is back in the oval office.
:11:33. > :11:36.Interestingly, Martin Luther King's bust is also there, so there is an
:11:37. > :11:43.act of unity in that first movement of dusts. Donald Trump will be
:11:44. > :11:53.oriented between bilateral relationships and not multilateral
:11:54. > :11:59.or supernatural. Supranational full. What are the implications of someone
:12:00. > :12:04.in the White House now not believing in it? I think we are present in the
:12:05. > :12:09.unravelling of America's leadership of the West. There is now a thing
:12:10. > :12:17.called the west that America has led since the end of World War II,
:12:18. > :12:25.creating supranational - we just heard supernatural! These
:12:26. > :12:30.institutions were created. With American leadership, the world was
:12:31. > :12:34.at peace in Europe, and the world grew increasingly democratic and
:12:35. > :12:39.prosperous. Wars were averted that could be extremely costly. When
:12:40. > :12:43.something works in diplomacy, you don't really understand what the
:12:44. > :12:47.consequences could have been. I think we've got complacent. The new
:12:48. > :12:53.president is taking advantage of that. It is a terrible tragedy that
:12:54. > :12:58.so many in the West take for granted the successful leadership and
:12:59. > :13:06.institutions we have built. You could argue, as James Rubin has
:13:07. > :13:11.argued in some articles, that... Will Mr Trump's America be more
:13:12. > :13:18.involved in the world than the Obama won? Or will it continue the process
:13:19. > :13:24.with running shoes on that began with Mr Obama? President Obama
:13:25. > :13:30.stepped back from American leadership. He withdrew from the
:13:31. > :13:34.world. He had a horrendous eight years in office, and American powers
:13:35. > :13:39.have diminished everywhere in the world, not just in Europe. That
:13:40. > :13:44.power will reassert. The focus will be on America first, but there are
:13:45. > :13:50.foreign interests around the world... How does it reassert itself
:13:51. > :13:54.around the world? I think the institutions will be recreated. Some
:13:55. > :14:00.may be taken down. There could be some new ones. I think Nato itself,
:14:01. > :14:04.and certainly the Defence Secretary will have discussions with Donald
:14:05. > :14:08.Trump about how Nato can be reshaped, and maybe there will be
:14:09. > :14:13.more burden sharing. That is an important thing for him. You are
:14:14. > :14:18.tipped to be the US ambassador to Brussels, to the EU, and we are
:14:19. > :14:22.still waiting to hear if that will happen. Is it true to say that Mr
:14:23. > :14:32.Trump does not believe in EU integration? I think you made that
:14:33. > :14:40.clear in the speech. He talked about supranational. He does not believe
:14:41. > :14:44.in those kinds of organisations. He is investing himself in bilateral
:14:45. > :14:49.relationships, the first of which will be with the UK. So we have a
:14:50. > :14:55.president who does not believe in EU integration and has been highly
:14:56. > :15:00.critical of Nato. Do the people he has appointed to defend, Secretary
:15:01. > :15:04.of State, national security, do you think that will temper this
:15:05. > :15:12.anti-NATO wretched? Will he come round to a more pro-NATO situation?
:15:13. > :15:17.I think those of us who care about America's situation in the world
:15:18. > :15:22.will come in to miss President Obama a lot. I think the Secretary of
:15:23. > :15:28.State and the faculty of defence will limit the damage and will urge
:15:29. > :15:32.him not to take formal steps to unravel this most powerful and most
:15:33. > :15:39.successful alliance in history, the Nato alliance. But the damage is
:15:40. > :15:43.already being done. When you are the leader of the West, leadership means
:15:44. > :15:49.you are persuading, encouraging, bolstering your leadership and these
:15:50. > :15:53.institutions by the way you speak. Millions, if not hundreds of
:15:54. > :15:55.millions of people, have now heard the US say that what they care about
:15:56. > :16:05.is within their borders. What do you say to that? It is such
:16:06. > :16:14.an overstatement. The point is that Donald Trump is in a Jacksonian
:16:15. > :16:17.tradition of national populism. He is appealing to the people first.
:16:18. > :16:23.The other day, I was sitting below this page during the address, and he
:16:24. > :16:27.said, everyone sitting behind me as part of the problem. Everyone in
:16:28. > :16:31.front of me, the crowd and the crowd on television, is part of the
:16:32. > :16:35.solution, so we are giving the Government back to the people. That
:16:36. > :16:38.emphasis is going to change American life, including American
:16:39. > :16:47.International relations. It doesn't moving the leak back -- it doesn't
:16:48. > :16:52.mean we are moving out of Nato, it simply means we will put our
:16:53. > :16:55.national interests first. There were echoes of Andrew Jackson's
:16:56. > :17:01.inauguration address of 1820. That night, the Jacksonians trashed the
:17:02. > :17:04.White House, but Mr Trump's people didn't do that, so there is a
:17:05. > :17:10.difference there. He also said something else in the address - that
:17:11. > :17:17.protectionism would lead to prosperity. I would suggest there is
:17:18. > :17:23.no evidence for that in the post-war world. He talked about protecting
:17:24. > :17:26.the American worker, American jobs, the American economy. I actually
:17:27. > :17:33.think that Donald Trump will not turn out to be a protectionist. If
:17:34. > :17:39.you read the heart of the deal... This is referring to two Republican
:17:40. > :17:48.senators who introduce massive tariffs in the Hoover
:17:49. > :17:52.administration. Exactly. If you read The Art Of The Deal, you will see
:17:53. > :17:56.how Donald Trump deals with individuals and countries. There is
:17:57. > :18:02.a lot of bluster, positioning, and I think you already see this in
:18:03. > :18:06.bringing jobs by the United States. Things are going to change. Let's
:18:07. > :18:13.also deal with this proposition. China is the biggest loser of this
:18:14. > :18:20.election result. Let me say this: The first time in American history
:18:21. > :18:28.and American president has set forth his view of the world, and it is a
:18:29. > :18:32.mercantile view of the world, who makes more money, who gets more
:18:33. > :18:37.trade, it doesn't look at the shared values, leadership and defends the
:18:38. > :18:40.world needs. The art of the deal has no application to America's
:18:41. > :18:45.leadership of the world, that's what we're learning. You can be a great
:18:46. > :18:50.businessman and make great real estate deals - whether he did not is
:18:51. > :18:54.debatable - but it has nothing to do with inspiring shared values from
:18:55. > :18:58.the West. You saying China may lose, because he may pressure them to
:18:59. > :19:05.reduce their trade deficit with the US. They may or may not. We may both
:19:06. > :19:09.lose. Right now, his Secretary of State has said, and I think he will
:19:10. > :19:13.walk this back when he is brief, that they will prevent the Chinese
:19:14. > :19:17.from entering these islands in the South China Sea. If they were to do
:19:18. > :19:22.that, it would be a blockade, and there would be a shooting war
:19:23. > :19:26.between the United States and China, so US - China relations are the most
:19:27. > :19:30.important bilateral relationship of the United States, and they don't
:19:31. > :19:34.lend themselves to the bluff and bluster that may have worked when
:19:35. > :19:39.you are trying to get a big building on second Ave in Manhattan. Is China
:19:40. > :19:56.the biggest loser? I think the Chinese have a lot to lose. Gigi and
:19:57. > :20:01.Ping was in Davos this week -- Xi Jin Ping was in Davos.
:20:02. > :20:07.Is Germany the second biggest loser in the sense that I understand he
:20:08. > :20:15.hasn't agreed time to see Angela Merkel yet, also that those close to
:20:16. > :20:18.him believe that Germany is guilty of currency manipulation by adopting
:20:19. > :20:22.a weak your row instead of the strong Deutschmark, and that that is
:20:23. > :20:28.why they are running a huge balance of payments surplus with the United
:20:29. > :20:34.States. American - German relations may not be great. There is a point
:20:35. > :20:37.of view throughout Europe. You only have to talk to the southern
:20:38. > :20:41.Europeans about this question. It seems like the euro has been aligned
:20:42. > :20:47.to benefit Germany. Joe Stiglitz, the famous left of centre Democrat
:20:48. > :20:54.economist, made the same case in a recent book. In this case, I think
:20:55. > :20:59.Germany will be put under the spotlight. Angela Merkel has shown
:21:00. > :21:04.herself to be the most respected and the most successful leader in
:21:05. > :21:08.Europe. We who care about the West, who care about the shared values of
:21:09. > :21:13.the West, should pray and hope that she is re-elected. This isn't about
:21:14. > :21:18.dollars and cents. We're living in a time whether Russian leader has
:21:19. > :21:24.another country in Europe and for some inexplicable reason, the
:21:25. > :21:26.American president, who can use his insult diplomacy on everyone,
:21:27. > :21:33.including Mrs Merkel, the only person he can't seem to find
:21:34. > :21:37.anything to criticise about is Mr Putin. There are things more
:21:38. > :21:41.important than the actual details of your currency. There are things like
:21:42. > :21:44.preventing another war in Europe, preventing a war between the Chinese
:21:45. > :21:51.and the US. You talk about the Trident missile all morning, nuclear
:21:52. > :21:56.deterrence is extremely important. It doesn't lend itself to the bluff
:21:57. > :21:59.and bluster of a real estate deal. I understand all that, but the fact we
:22:00. > :22:04.are even talking about these things shows the new world we are moving
:22:05. > :22:08.into. I'd like to get you both to react to this. This is a man that
:22:09. > :22:16.ended the Bush Dynasty, a man that beat the Clinton machine. In his
:22:17. > :22:18.inauguration, not only did he not reach out to the Democrats, he
:22:19. > :22:25.didn't even mention the Republicans. These are changed days for us. They
:22:26. > :22:28.are, and change can be good or disastrous. I'm worried that it's
:22:29. > :22:35.easy in the world of diplomacy and in them -- for the leadership of the
:22:36. > :22:39.United States to break relationships and ruin alliances. These are things
:22:40. > :22:47.that were carefully nurtured. George Schultz, the American Secretary of
:22:48. > :22:50.State under Reagan talked about gardening, the slow, careful
:22:51. > :22:55.creation of a place with bilateral relationships that were blossoming
:22:56. > :22:58.and flowering multilateral relationships that take decades to
:22:59. > :23:04.create, and he will throw them away in a matter of days. The final
:23:05. > :23:08.word... I work for George Schultz. He was a Marine who stood up
:23:09. > :23:12.America, defended America, who would be in favour of many of the things
:23:13. > :23:18.that Donald Trump and the tramp Administration... Give him a call.
:23:19. > :23:22.His top aide macs that I've spoken to are appalled by Mr Trump's
:23:23. > :23:30.abdication of leadership. He is going to our radically -- he's going
:23:31. > :23:35.to eradicate extremist Islam from the face of the year. Is that
:23:36. > :23:39.realistic? I know people in the national security realm have worked
:23:40. > :23:45.on a plan. They say they will have such a plan in some detail within 90
:23:46. > :23:51.days. Lets hope they succeed. We have run out of time. As a issues.
:23:52. > :23:54.Thank you, both. -- fascinating issues.
:23:55. > :23:57.So Theresa May promised a big speech on Brexit, and this week -
:23:58. > :23:59.perhaps against expectation - she delivered, trying to answer
:24:00. > :24:02.claims that the government didn't have a plan with an explicit
:24:03. > :24:05.wish-list of what she hopes to achieve in negotiations with the EU.
:24:06. > :24:07.To her allies it was ambitious, bold, optimistic -
:24:08. > :24:09.to her opponents it was full of contradictions
:24:10. > :24:13.Here's Adam again, with a reminder of the speech and how
:24:14. > :24:18.There are speeches, and there are speeches.
:24:19. > :24:21.Like Theresa May's 12 principles for a Brexit deal leading
:24:22. > :24:24.to the UK fully out of the EU but still friendly in terms
:24:25. > :24:28.This agreement should allow for the freest possible trade
:24:29. > :24:31.in goods and services between Britain and the EU's member states.
:24:32. > :24:36.It should give British companies the maximum
:24:37. > :24:39.operate within European markets and let European businesses do
:24:40. > :24:47.She also said no deal would be better than the wrong deal,
:24:48. > :25:03.We want to test what people think about what she's just said.
:25:04. > :25:06.Do we have any of our future negotiating
:25:07. > :25:10.As the European Parliament voted for its new
:25:11. > :25:18.president, its chief negotiator sounded off.
:25:19. > :25:20.Saying, OK, if our European counterparts don't accept
:25:21. > :25:23.it, we're going to make from Britain a sort
:25:24. > :25:26.of free zone or tax haven, I
:25:27. > :25:32.The Prime Minister of Malta, the country that's assumed the EU's
:25:33. > :25:35.rotating presidency, spoke in sorrow and a bit of anger.
:25:36. > :25:39.We want a fair deal for the United Kingdom, but
:25:40. > :25:49.that deal necessarily needs to be inferior to membership.
:25:50. > :25:52.Next, let's hear from some enthusiastic
:25:53. > :25:57.leavers, like, I don't know, the Daily Mail?
:25:58. > :26:00.The paper lapped it up with this adoring front page.
:26:01. > :26:04.For Brexiteers, it was all manna from heaven.
:26:05. > :26:07.I think today means we are a big step closer to becoming
:26:08. > :26:09.an independent country again, with control of our own laws,
:26:10. > :26:16.I was chuckling at some of it, to be honest, because
:26:17. > :26:20.There were various phrases there which I've used myself again and
:26:21. > :26:24.Do we have any of those so-called Remoaners?
:26:25. > :26:26.There will, at the end of this deal process,
:26:27. > :26:30.so politicians get to vote on the stitch-up, but
:26:31. > :26:33.We take the view as Liberal Democrats that
:26:34. > :26:35.if this process started with democracy last June,
:26:36. > :26:39.We trusted the people with departure, we must trust them
:26:40. > :26:46.Do we have anyone from Labour, or are you all
:26:47. > :26:48.watching it in a small room somewhere?
:26:49. > :26:55.Throughout the speech, there seemed to be an implied threat that
:26:56. > :26:58.somewhere along the line, if all her optimism of a deal
:26:59. > :27:00.with the European Union didn't work, we would move
:27:01. > :27:02.into a low-tax, corporate taxation, bargain-basement economy on the
:27:03. > :27:06.I think she needs to be a bit clearer about what
:27:07. > :27:13.The Labour leader suggested he'd tell
:27:14. > :27:16.his MPs to vote in favour of starting a Brexit process if
:27:17. > :27:18.Parliament was given the choice, sparking a mini pre-revolt among
:27:19. > :27:24.Finally, do we have anyone from big business here?
:27:25. > :27:33.Of course, your all in Davos at the World Economic
:27:34. > :27:43.Clarity, first of all, really codified what many of us have been
:27:44. > :27:45.anticipating since the referendum result,
:27:46. > :27:46.particularly around the
:27:47. > :27:50.I think what we've also seen today is the Government's
:27:51. > :27:53.willingness to put a bit of edge into the negotiating dynamic, and I
:27:54. > :27:58.Trade negotiations are negotiations, and you have to lay out, and you
:27:59. > :28:00.have to be pretty tough to get what you want.
:28:01. > :28:03.Although some business people on the slopes speculated
:28:04. > :28:05.about moving some of their operations out of Brexit Britain.
:28:06. > :28:23.We saw there the instant reaction of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn,
:28:24. > :28:26.but how will the party respond to the challenge posed by Brexit
:28:27. > :28:30.Well, I'm joined now by the Shadow Home Secretary, Diane Abbott.
:28:31. > :28:38.People know that Ukip and the Tories are for Brexit. The Lib Dems are
:28:39. > :28:43.four remain. What is Labour for? For respecting the result of the
:28:44. > :28:48.referendum. It was a 72% turnout, very high for an election of that
:28:49. > :28:51.nature, and we believe you have to respect that result. You couldn't
:28:52. > :28:55.have a situation where people like Tim Farron are saying to people,
:28:56. > :28:59.millions of people, sorry, you got it wrong, we in London no better.
:29:00. > :29:06.However, how the Tories go forward from here has to be subject to
:29:07. > :29:11.parliamentary scrutiny. Is it Shadow Cabinet policy to vote for the
:29:12. > :29:15.triggering of Article 50? Our policy is not to block Article 50. That is
:29:16. > :29:22.what the leader was saying this morning. So are you for it? Our
:29:23. > :29:27.policy is not to block it. You are talking about voting for it. We
:29:28. > :29:32.don't know what the Supreme Court is going to say, and we don't know what
:29:33. > :29:35.legislation Government will bring forward, and we don't know what
:29:36. > :29:42.amendment we will move, but we're clear that we will not vote to block
:29:43. > :29:50.it. OK, so you won't bow to stop it, but you could abstain? No, what we
:29:51. > :29:54.will do... Either you vote for or against all you abstain. There are
:29:55. > :29:58.too many unanswered questions. For instance, the position of EU
:29:59. > :30:02.migrants working and living in this country. You may not get the answer
:30:03. > :30:06.to that before Article 50 comes before the Commons, so what would
:30:07. > :30:11.you do then? We are giving to amend it. We can only tell you exactly how
:30:12. > :30:15.we will amend it when we understand what sort of legislation the
:30:16. > :30:18.Government is putting forward, and in the course of moving those
:30:19. > :30:23.amendments, we will ask the questions that the people of Britain
:30:24. > :30:28.whether they voted to leave remain want answered.
:30:29. > :30:36.When you come to a collective view, will there be a three line whip? I
:30:37. > :30:41.can't tell you, because we have not seen the government 's legislation.
:30:42. > :30:47.But when you see it, you will come to a collective view. Many regard
:30:48. > :30:52.this as extremely important. Will there be a three line whip on
:30:53. > :30:58.Labour's collective view? Because it is important, we shouldn't get ahead
:30:59. > :31:02.of ourselves. When we see what the Supreme Court says, and crucially,
:31:03. > :31:06.when we see what the government position is, you will hear what the
:31:07. > :31:13.whipping is. Will shadow ministers be able to defy any three line whip
:31:14. > :31:19.on this? That is not normally the case. But they did on an early vote
:31:20. > :31:24.that the government introduced on Article 50. Those who voted against
:31:25. > :31:29.it are still there. In the Blair years, you certainly couldn't defy a
:31:30. > :31:35.three line whip. We will see what happens going forward. I remember
:31:36. > :31:38.when the Tories were hopelessly divided over the EU. All these
:31:39. > :31:45.Maastricht votes and an list arguments. Now it is Labour. Just
:31:46. > :31:57.another symptom of Mr Corbyn's poor leadership. Not at all. Two thirds
:31:58. > :32:02.voted to leave, a third to remain. We are seeking to bring the country
:32:03. > :32:08.and the party together. We will do that by pointing out how disastrous
:32:09. > :32:17.a Tory Brexit would be. Meanwhile, around 80 Labour MPs will defy a
:32:18. > :32:22.three line whip. It's too early to say that. Will you publish what you
:32:23. > :32:27.believe the negotiating goal should be? We are clear on it. We think
:32:28. > :32:33.that the economy, jobs and living standards should be the priority.
:32:34. > :32:39.What Theresa May is saying is that holding her party together is her
:32:40. > :32:45.priority. She is putting party above country. Does Labour think we should
:32:46. > :32:50.remain members of the single market? Ideally, in terms of jobs and the
:32:51. > :32:55.economy, of course. Ritt -ish business thinks that as well. Is
:32:56. > :32:59.Labour policy that we should remain a member of the single market?
:33:00. > :33:03.Labour leaves that jobs and the economy comes first, and if they
:33:04. > :33:11.come first, you would want to remain part of the single market. But to
:33:12. > :33:18.remain a member? Jobs and the economy comes first, and to do that,
:33:19. > :33:22.ideally, guess. So with that, comes free movement of people, the
:33:23. > :33:28.jurisdiction of the European, and a multi-million never shipped thief.
:33:29. > :33:34.Is Labour prepared to pay that? Money is neither here nor there.
:33:35. > :33:43.Because the Tories will be asked to pay a lot of money... The EU has
:33:44. > :33:50.made it clear that you cannot have... I am asking for Labour's
:33:51. > :33:55.position. Our position is rooted in the reality, and the reality is that
:33:56. > :33:59.you cannot have the benefits of the member of the European Union,
:34:00. > :34:02.including being a member of the single market, without
:34:03. > :34:07.responsibility, including free movement of people. Free movement,
:34:08. > :34:15.is remaining under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. Is
:34:16. > :34:20.that the Labour position? You've said that Labour wants to remain a
:34:21. > :34:24.member of the single market. That is the price tag that comes with it.
:34:25. > :34:30.Does Labour agree with paying that price tag? We are not pre-empting
:34:31. > :34:36.negotiation. Our goals are protect jobs and the British economy. Is it
:34:37. > :34:45.Labour's position that we remain a member of the customs union? Well,
:34:46. > :34:55.if we don't, I don't see how Theresa May can keep our promises and has
:34:56. > :35:04.unfettered access... You said Labour's position was clear. It is!
:35:05. > :35:09.It is clear that Theresa May... I am not asking about Theresa May. Is it
:35:10. > :35:15.Labour's position to remain a member of the customs union? It is Labour's
:35:16. > :35:19.position to do what is right for British industry. Depending on how
:35:20. > :35:24.the negotiations go, it may prove that coming out of the customs
:35:25. > :35:30.union, as Theresa May has indicated she wants to do, could prove
:35:31. > :35:35.catastrophic, and could actually destroy some of her promises. You do
:35:36. > :35:43.accept that if we are member of the customs union, we cannot do our own
:35:44. > :35:49.free trade deals? What free trade deals are you talking about? The
:35:50. > :35:54.ones that Labour might want to do in the future. First, we have to
:35:55. > :35:58.protect British jobs and British industries. If you are talking about
:35:59. > :36:03.free trade deals with Donald Trump, the danger is that Theresa May will
:36:04. > :36:10.get drawn into a free-trade deal with America that will open up the
:36:11. > :36:15.NHS to American corporate... The cards are in Theresa May's hands. If
:36:16. > :36:19.she takes us out of the single market, if she takes us out of the
:36:20. > :36:25.customs union, we will have to deal with that. How big a crisis for
:36:26. > :36:31.Jeremy Corbyn will be if Labour loses both by-elections in February.
:36:32. > :36:40.I don't believe we will lose both. But if he did? I am not anticipating
:36:41. > :36:44.that. Is Labour lost two seats in a midterm of a Tory government, would
:36:45. > :36:48.that be business as usual? I'm not prepared to see us lose those seats,
:36:49. > :36:51.so I will not talk about something that will not happen. Thank you.
:36:52. > :36:52.You're watching the Sunday Politics.
:36:53. > :36:55.We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now
:36:56. > :36:58.Coming up here in 20 minutes, The Week Ahead,
:36:59. > :37:00.when we'll be talking to Business Minister Margot James
:37:01. > :37:03.about the government's new industrial strategy and that
:37:04. > :37:06.crucial Supreme Court ruling on Brexit.
:37:07. > :37:20.And in the East Midlands: Politics where you are.
:37:21. > :37:22.What impact will leaving the single market have on our region?
:37:23. > :37:24.Jobs at risk in some areas, but elsewhere, businesses
:37:25. > :37:30.We've most definitely improved since Brexit.
:37:31. > :37:34.We've had a 20% increase in orders, with recorded my staff in
:37:35. > :37:38.order that we can deal with the orders, and also we have bigger
:37:39. > :37:44.And it's meant to be a formula for fairer funding, but
:37:45. > :37:46.hundreds of schools across the region are set to lose tens of
:37:47. > :37:50.thousands of pounds, whilst others are set to gain.
:37:51. > :37:52.This is a double whammy for Nottingham's schools and
:37:53. > :37:59.They were already facing difficult times, now they are going
:38:00. > :38:04.My guests this week are Maggie Throup, who's the Conservative MP
:38:05. > :38:08.And Lilian Greenwood, the Labour MP for Nottingham South.
:38:09. > :38:13.First, though, the HS2 road show hit the
:38:14. > :38:17.Plans for the new high-speed route through the
:38:18. > :38:20.region have been on display at villages in Leicestershire, where
:38:21. > :38:23.local people were invited to look at the latest details.
:38:24. > :38:29.Meanwhile, the Transport Secretary launched the
:38:30. > :38:32.search for a company to build trains for the new route this week.
:38:33. > :38:37.Well, you can tell me, what might the organisers
:38:38. > :38:43.Because really not a lot has been decided about HS2 so far.
:38:44. > :38:45.We know that it's now coming to the region,
:38:46. > :38:47.which is really good news for local economy.
:38:48. > :38:56.Virtually, the route is decided, yes.
:38:57. > :39:00.My constituents will be affected and that I'm
:39:01. > :39:01.fighting for really good compensation for both
:39:02. > :39:04.the residents and businesses that are going to lose
:39:05. > :39:07.So, it's early days yet, but we do know
:39:08. > :39:11.it's going to be be a hub in Taunton and most of the route is finalised.
:39:12. > :39:14.There's certainly a lot of concern among those who near to the route
:39:15. > :39:23.Are you worried about the slow progress in this field?
:39:24. > :39:26.I mean, I think it a long process of taking forward a
:39:27. > :39:29.major infrastructure projects of this sort and part of the reason
:39:30. > :39:32.for that is the time it's taken to properly consult
:39:33. > :39:34.and there will be a long period of consultation to
:39:35. > :39:37.ensure that the fine detail is right to take on board the impact
:39:38. > :39:40.on the local area, on the local environment and quite rightly,
:39:41. > :39:43.Maggie and other people will have a part
:39:44. > :39:47.In terms of the contract, which we mentioned, 2.7
:39:48. > :39:59.billion, it's a juicy contract, I mean, one would hope Bombardier
:40:00. > :40:01.and associated firms would get a swing at that.
:40:02. > :40:07.I mean, the whole region is renowned for the rail industry.
:40:08. > :40:09.Whether it's the tracks or the rolling stock, so
:40:10. > :40:12.I think some of our local businesses are going to release either
:40:13. > :40:15.businesses boom as a result of HS2 and I want to
:40:16. > :40:17.encourage them all to be part of that tendering process
:40:18. > :40:20.businesses get a lot of those tenders.
:40:21. > :40:23.And, Lillian, is it important that Bombardier get this
:40:24. > :40:25.contact, given what may or may not be heading the future?
:40:26. > :40:27.It's hugely important for our East Midlands rail
:40:28. > :40:29.industry, which isn't of course just Bombardier.
:40:30. > :40:31.We've got the biggest cluster of rail engineering firms
:40:32. > :40:39.in the world here in the East Midlands.
:40:40. > :40:42.And what I'd like to know from the Government
:40:43. > :40:45.procurement process, are they going to be able to take
:40:46. > :40:47.into account the local economic and social impact
:40:48. > :40:50.Because we don't want what has happened to the
:40:51. > :40:53.Thameslink, where of course that contract was in place with Siemens
:40:54. > :40:55.rather than one of our domestic train builders.
:40:56. > :40:59.And that HS2 road show will be on trail next
:41:00. > :41:01.week and in Long Eaton, too, which might be interesting,
:41:02. > :41:04.given that the route cuts right through the town as we have heard.
:41:05. > :41:07.So, we could see a boost for train makers, but what of
:41:08. > :41:12.What does Theresa May's announcement that we will be leaving
:41:13. > :41:14.the single market mean for our region?
:41:15. > :41:17.There are reports of jobs under threat in some areas, but
:41:18. > :41:19.other companies are reporting that business has boomed following the
:41:20. > :41:24.Here's our political editor Tony Roe.
:41:25. > :41:34.Unemployment remains at an 11 year low.
:41:35. > :41:37.No comfort though for the 280 and the pizza factory in Nottingham,
:41:38. > :41:39.who this week learnt their jobs are to go.
:41:40. > :41:43.It's not clear, but they lost a massive Tesco order.
:41:44. > :41:52.The fall in the pound since the Brexit vote
:41:53. > :41:54.has raised the price of what the import.
:41:55. > :41:56.But for this company, Brexit is good news.
:41:57. > :41:59.A1 Flues from Ollerton, has had the best six months in the
:42:00. > :42:02.company cosmic history, with high profile projects like the shard and
:42:03. > :42:05.We've most definitely improved since Brexit.
:42:06. > :42:09.We've had a 20% increase in orders, we've recruited more staff
:42:10. > :42:12.in order to deal with the orders and also, the bigger orders are
:42:13. > :42:15.And the fall of the pound is good news for exports.
:42:16. > :42:17.We've got a lot more explort interest now.
:42:18. > :42:20.We've got an agent over in the Middle East, so
:42:21. > :42:23.Whether that's anything to do with Brexit,
:42:24. > :42:25.we are not 100% sure, but it
:42:26. > :42:38.As economies grow, our towns and cities
:42:39. > :42:42.Derby is now the marketplace for a aero-engines, trains and cars.
:42:43. > :42:44.This week in an interview with the Financial
:42:45. > :42:46.Times, the Toyota boss said the company, after Theresa May's
:42:47. > :42:49.speech, now has to consider how they can survive in the UK.
:42:50. > :42:51.How's that gone down in Derby, the city which
:42:52. > :42:52.benefits most from Toyota's presence?
:42:53. > :42:56.I think that these people, the likes of Toyota and that,
:42:57. > :43:00.they're probably looking for moving production over to Eastern Europe,
:43:01. > :43:07.When Toyota say things like they've said, does that worry you slightly?
:43:08. > :43:13.It does concern me, but I think there are going to
:43:14. > :43:17.be these symptoms and we are going to have to deal with that.
:43:18. > :43:18.There's going to be some peaks and troughs,
:43:19. > :43:21.but overall, I think we have to give it some time.
:43:22. > :43:27.I wonder if they are trying to find if they could
:43:28. > :43:30.have a hand-out like Nissan, because I am sure they will be
:43:31. > :43:33.persuaded to stop with a little sweetener, but will we be
:43:34. > :43:37.Perhaps that's why Toyota have said what they have.
:43:38. > :43:43.The unions are reassured by commitments to the UK
:43:44. > :43:45.from Toyota and Rolls-Royce, but have many more
:43:46. > :43:48.Rolls-Royce received a significant amount
:43:49. > :43:51.Again, they have committed themselves to the UK,
:43:52. > :44:00.which is good, but we have a question as the trade union that
:44:01. > :44:03.says, you rode your buss around saying you're going to give ?350
:44:04. > :44:06.million every day to the health service, you are going to give
:44:07. > :44:09.17,000 to every farmer and continue to make those payments and
:44:10. > :44:11.yet you don't want to be making all these other
:44:12. > :44:15.The Prime Minister has promised a bold,
:44:16. > :44:18.confident and an open Britain, but some Tory MPs have said if we
:44:19. > :44:20.abandon the single market, there will be economic consequences.
:44:21. > :44:23.The key to the future is going to be how
:44:24. > :44:27.we get access to that single market when we leave the EU.
:44:28. > :44:34.Tony, you been speaking obviously to the
:44:35. > :44:37.What is the feeling, do you think, across
:44:38. > :44:40.the region about this very vital issue of leaving the single market?
:44:41. > :44:49.I think the word that businesses, in particular, use more than any is
:44:50. > :44:52.They don't have that certainty at the moment about what's
:44:53. > :44:55.going to happen and we are just seeing really the effects of the
:44:56. > :45:04.referendum vote more than anything else
:45:05. > :45:10.We have had some figures this week from which show
:45:11. > :45:13.that after a record low, the number of insolvencies of businesses are
:45:14. > :45:16.starting to creep up again, in the East Midlands particularly in
:45:17. > :45:18.manufacturing in the last six months of last year.
:45:19. > :45:20.Maggie Throup, what's your reaction to the speech?
:45:21. > :45:23.It was perhaps harder edged and more pro-hard Brexit than some would
:45:24. > :45:30.for some clarity over the situation and that's what the Prime
:45:31. > :45:34.So many of my businesses that I've been speaking to since the
:45:35. > :45:35.speech were saying, "We have clarity.
:45:36. > :45:39."We now know where we stand and we can move forward and we can
:45:40. > :45:42."plan on the grounds that we will be leaving the single market."
:45:43. > :45:44.The single market is the single market for goods,
:45:45. > :45:46.services and the free movement of people.
:45:47. > :45:48.I think the referendum was quite clear that people were against
:45:49. > :45:50.the free movement of people across the European Borders.
:45:51. > :45:53.And that's the thing that the Prime Minister has
:45:54. > :45:59.So, does it seem to you in that speech that
:46:00. > :46:02.that she is putting immigration above the economy?
:46:03. > :46:05.Because that's what voters voted for it in the referendum.
:46:06. > :46:11.But actually being able to control our borders.
:46:12. > :46:16.She now is quite adamant that we will negotiate a
:46:17. > :46:19.free trade agreement with the EU and, let's face it, with countries
:46:20. > :46:22.The message was, we are open for business.
:46:23. > :46:24.Controlling immigration and controlling Borders as one and
:46:25. > :46:31.It's making sure that we have the people here to fill the gap
:46:32. > :46:34.in the skills that are there, but is also important that we look
:46:35. > :46:38.to see what the gaps are and try to work
:46:39. > :46:41.business and schools together so we can fill out the gaps, without
:46:42. > :46:53.Lilian Greenwood, that is absolutely right, we have to be able to control
:46:54. > :46:55.our borders and control who comes in and when?
:46:56. > :46:57.I think the real concern from Theresa May pot speech is the
:46:58. > :47:01.It's a rollback from the Conservatives.
:47:02. > :47:03.In the 2015 general election manifesto, they said yes to
:47:04. > :47:07.It's the biggest trading bloc and the world and if we
:47:08. > :47:09.are outside the single market and we are in successful
:47:10. > :47:13.in negotiating that kind of free trade arrangement
:47:14. > :47:17.with the EU, then we will face a huge tariffs on our goods and that
:47:18. > :47:20.could be hugely damaging, not just to our manufacturers, but other
:47:21. > :47:27.industries within the East Midlands that we rely on.
:47:28. > :47:29.But isn't the Labour Party really playing catch up on
:47:30. > :47:38.Your party has never really understood
:47:39. > :47:40.voters' concerns about immigration and would rather not talk about it
:47:41. > :47:47.I completely understand voters' concerns about the impact it
:47:48. > :47:50.potentially has on jobs and services and that's why it was a big mistake
:47:51. > :47:52.by the Conservatives to scrap the migration
:47:53. > :47:53.impact fund, but there are
:47:54. > :47:56.We see that certainly very clearly in Nottingham.
:47:57. > :47:58.One of our biggest export's higher education.
:47:59. > :48:01.If we are not able to bring in the brightest in the past,
:48:02. > :48:03.whether its students or staff, that could be an
:48:04. > :48:04.absolute disaster for Nottingham's economy.
:48:05. > :48:08.The education select committee took evidence last week
:48:09. > :48:10.around the impact of Brexit on the EU and the Vice Chancellor
:48:11. > :48:12.of Oxford Brookes University said that it
:48:13. > :48:15.would be an absolute disaster if we are not able to access
:48:16. > :48:17.the brightest and the best from across the EU.
:48:18. > :48:20.I don't think that is what the Prime Minister's saying, though.
:48:21. > :48:23.She's actually saying that we could control our borders, not to close
:48:24. > :48:27.I think there's a huge difference there.
:48:28. > :48:30.But we know that if we make it very difficult for
:48:31. > :48:37.people to come here and if you tighten up these
:48:38. > :48:38.visa immigration rules, it prevents students and
:48:39. > :48:41.We've seen that already happened when it comes
:48:42. > :48:45.It will have a huge impact if we want to keep the
:48:46. > :48:46.quality of our research universities.
:48:47. > :48:49.OK, we will have to leave it there for the moment.
:48:50. > :48:53.But I suppose an example of how it the
:48:54. > :48:55.politics and the economics all become intermingled, but this is a
:48:56. > :49:02.particularly interesting aspect in this region,
:49:03. > :49:05.because although voting heavily for Brexit in this region, some of
:49:06. > :49:08.our politicians here have been leading the campaign for a softer
:49:09. > :49:16.In the Commons this week two of our MPs were keen for the Prime
:49:17. > :49:17.Minister to consult more with Parliament.
:49:18. > :49:22.Before Article 50 is triggered, would she please consider
:49:23. > :49:25.at least publishing all those 12 objectives in a White Paper so that
:49:26. > :49:28.we can debate them here in this place on behalf of all our
:49:29. > :49:35.Could she clarify whether she anticipates this house
:49:36. > :49:38.having an opportunity to vote its approval for those
:49:39. > :49:40.policies earlier than two years away, when the whole
:49:41. > :49:45.Tony, as we were seeing, many of our MPs are among the most prominent
:49:46. > :49:49.campaigners for a so-called softer Brexit.
:49:50. > :49:53.So, what was their mood after Theresa May's speech?
:49:54. > :49:55.We saw Ken Clarke there and Ken Clarke, if
:49:56. > :50:00.there is any MP in East Midlands who's going to vote against Article
:50:01. > :50:06.He made it plain after the speech from Theresa May this week that he
:50:07. > :50:08.didn't think she'd said anything new at all.
:50:09. > :50:11.On the other hand, we have Nicky Morgan and Anna Soubry who
:50:12. > :50:14.are both very vocal in wanting to have access to the single market
:50:15. > :50:17.and free movement of labour, let's not forget.
:50:18. > :50:20.And they seem, after the speech, to soften their stance
:50:21. > :50:22.somewhat on to say that the 12 point plan had
:50:23. > :50:26.some positive points in the
:50:27. > :50:29.wanted to take those positive points away
:50:30. > :50:33.future and try to get that access to the single market.
:50:34. > :50:35.It's interesting, isn't it, Maggie, if we're talking
:50:36. > :50:38.about splits within the Labour Party on this, but there are certainly
:50:39. > :50:41.splits within the Conservative Party in terms of the soft Brexiteers and
:50:42. > :50:46.I think we have even stopped disagreeing now.
:50:47. > :50:55.My colleagues in the chamber during the week, obviously, they do
:50:56. > :50:58.like what the Prime Minister's saying.
:50:59. > :51:01.I think one of the messages from Theresa was actually building
:51:02. > :51:03.consensus and she seems to be doing that.
:51:04. > :51:07.Yeah, Anna Soubry did say that she didn't think
:51:08. > :51:10.it was a hard Brexit, what the Prime Minister was saying.
:51:11. > :51:11.Well, maybe more nuanced than some observers
:51:12. > :51:15.I mean, Ken Clarke is going to vote against triggering Article
:51:16. > :51:19.It looks like it and Ken has a lot of experience.
:51:20. > :51:21.I wouldn't want to say anything against Ken.
:51:22. > :51:23.He's a great politician and he has some
:51:24. > :51:36.great work and he really believes in what he's doing at the moment.
:51:37. > :51:39.OK, Lilian Greenwood, where do you stand on Article 50?
:51:40. > :51:41.Because it has been some confusion about whether Labour MPs
:51:42. > :51:43.are going to be whipped into triggering it, approvingly
:51:44. > :51:46.triggering of it and, well, are they going to be whipped?
:51:47. > :51:50.Well, I think all Labour MPs, you know, we saw the
:51:51. > :51:53.result of the referendum and we want to respect the choice
:51:54. > :51:55.of the British people, but equally, having seen
:51:56. > :52:10.what Theresa May has come out with, it's very concerning and I want to
:52:11. > :52:12.see the motion in what amendments are put down to it,
:52:13. > :52:16.that my constituents didn't vote for is to worse off.
:52:17. > :52:18.And while she may be aiming for a soft Brexit, she
:52:19. > :52:20.says she wants to have free trade with Europe,
:52:21. > :52:23.she wants to avoid some of the bureaucracy that would come
:52:24. > :52:25.from being outside the customs union, there is absolutely no
:52:26. > :52:28.guarantee that she's going to be able to negotiate those things.
:52:29. > :52:31.Can I just ask you, will you vote to trigger Article 50?
:52:32. > :52:34.Well, I'm going to wait and see with the motion says
:52:35. > :52:37.I'm very conscious of what my constituents think.
:52:38. > :52:39.I want to be talking to them and consulting with
:52:40. > :52:42.them and I'm very concerned about the future for the economy, for
:52:43. > :52:44.workers' rights, for environmental protections and how those might be
:52:45. > :52:46.thrown away, giving Theresa May's negotiating stance.
:52:47. > :52:48.And just briefly, Maggie, do you think there
:52:49. > :52:52.will be a timely vote or will it be a piecemeal vote early on and you
:52:53. > :52:55.won't get an actual vote on the deal as it is decided on?
:52:56. > :52:58.The Prime Minister in her speech said that
:52:59. > :53:01.there will be a vote in both houses of Parliament about the final deal.
:53:02. > :53:05.OK, for now, thank you very much indeed.
:53:06. > :53:07.Next, many schools in a region are counting
:53:08. > :53:10.Next, many schools in a region are counting the cost of a proposed
:53:11. > :53:13.The idea is to iron out historical differences, which
:53:14. > :53:19.have seen some areas get far more per pupil than others.
:53:20. > :53:21.The Government says that more half of the country's
:53:22. > :53:24.schools will see an increase, but in one of our cities, almost every
:53:25. > :53:31.Before school starts, a chance to get food for the brain.
:53:32. > :53:33.These breakfast clubs now operate at every primary school in
:53:34. > :53:44.You're allowed to see your friends and it's really nice to
:53:45. > :53:47.I like it, because it's fun and I get to talk
:53:48. > :53:50.to my friends and it gets me ready for the day.
:53:51. > :53:52.I can do different activities, like colouring, playing
:53:53. > :53:55.In Nottingham city, 85 out of 87 schools will be
:53:56. > :54:02.worse off because of the new funding formula.
:54:03. > :54:05.Here, they will have to save ?48,000 - the equivalent
:54:06. > :54:07.Extracurricular activities like these Breakfast club's
:54:08. > :54:12.When you're organising the school budget, you look at how you can
:54:13. > :54:14.organise that funding right across and making sure that you're
:54:15. > :54:19.providing services and opportunities for children.
:54:20. > :54:24.If we have to reduce the office numbers and the admin,
:54:25. > :54:26.actually, then we might need to pass that cost
:54:27. > :54:32.Whilst city schools seem to be the real losers from the funding
:54:33. > :54:34.formula, many headteachers in rural areas will have more money to play
:54:35. > :54:38.Although, in Nottinghamshire County, most schools will still have
:54:39. > :54:41.Unions say that when inflation is taken into
:54:42. > :54:43.account, the overwhelming majority are facing deep cuts.
:54:44. > :54:45.Hardly robbing from the rich to give to the poor.
:54:46. > :54:48.The problem is that there is money being diverted to some of the
:54:49. > :54:51.wealthiest parts of the country, in places like Buckinghamshire and
:54:52. > :54:52.Cambridgeshire, from both Nottingham city
:54:53. > :54:53.and Nottinghamshire County and
:54:54. > :55:05.Ministers insist funding for schools is at
:55:06. > :55:07.a record high and the new formula will end
:55:08. > :55:09.the postcode lottery of the
:55:10. > :55:12.Ultimately though, it's up to the schools themselves to make
:55:13. > :55:15.Now, Lilian Greenwood, the Government obviously would be in
:55:16. > :55:17.touch with the Department and in the adamant that
:55:18. > :55:19.overall, Nottingham and
:55:20. > :55:20.Nottinghamshire will see an increase in funding.
:55:21. > :55:22.0.3% in Nottingham and 1.8% for Nottinghamshire.
:55:23. > :55:26.Every single school in my constituency is going
:55:27. > :55:30.Not just as a result of the funding formula, which takes
:55:31. > :55:32.money away from Nottingham schools, but as a result of the flat funding,
:55:33. > :55:35.which means real-time cuts of 8% for schools.
:55:36. > :55:37.Every school practically across the country is a loser and
:55:38. > :55:40.Nottingham city schools are some of the worst hit.
:55:41. > :55:43.But overall, the DFE said Nottingham will still be one of
:55:44. > :55:45.the highest funded areas in the county, no doubt
:55:46. > :55:48.because there may be special issues, but that's the bear
:55:49. > :56:06.Well, I think if you went to any school in my
:56:07. > :56:09.constituency and said, you've got to make savings, you've got to cut
:56:10. > :56:11.further, they are going to have to cut into...
:56:12. > :56:13.If it's not teachers, to be teaching assistants or other
:56:14. > :56:16.It's the sort of extracurricular activities that we
:56:17. > :56:19.They are working hard to try to make sure
:56:20. > :56:22.that young people in my city get the best possible start
:56:23. > :56:25.and if they have fewer resources, that's going to be
:56:26. > :56:28.The truth is, the Government need to be more
:56:29. > :56:31.funding into education to ensure that we can really deliver on the
:56:32. > :56:32.sort of high-quality learning children need.
:56:33. > :56:35.Maggie Throup, why do some schools apparently have to take a
:56:36. > :56:37.cut in order to improve funding for others?
:56:38. > :56:39.We hear that Nottingham's cuts will give more money to schools
:56:40. > :56:51.in places like Buckinghamshire and Oxfordshire.
:56:52. > :56:53.I think what this is doing is getting rid of the
:56:54. > :56:56.Because at the moment, the inner city schools tend
:56:57. > :56:59.to get more funding in schools in rural areas.
:57:00. > :57:03.There are a lot of areas of deprivation in the rule
:57:04. > :57:06.economy as well, so you can't just have this postcode blanket approach.
:57:07. > :57:09.You need to have a look at how the money will actually follow
:57:10. > :57:11.the pupil and for me, that's the most important thing.
:57:12. > :57:14.Just talking about the Breakfast Club, the new proposed
:57:15. > :57:16.levy on the sugary drinks industry is actually going to...
:57:17. > :57:18.Some of that is going to go to more breakfast
:57:19. > :57:20.clubs, which I think is really important.
:57:21. > :57:23.I think the other thing as well, the proposals for the funding
:57:24. > :57:24.formula is still out to consultation.
:57:25. > :57:26.So people can contribute to that consultation and
:57:27. > :57:34.It's open until towards the end of March, so nothing is finalised yet.
:57:35. > :57:39.Well, that's a very good point and also, Lilian Greenwood, this
:57:40. > :57:45.You cannot blame the Government for trying to do
:57:46. > :57:47.something about the inequality that previously existed.
:57:48. > :57:49.I don't think it's wrong to look to have a
:57:50. > :57:51.fairer funding formula, but you can't do that
:57:52. > :57:53.without putting more money into the system.
:57:54. > :57:55.We know that schools are already struggling with
:57:56. > :57:57.pay rises, extra national insurance contributions, extra money to be
:57:58. > :58:00.They've not had any money from the Government
:58:01. > :58:03.to help them cope with those extra costs that they faced and therefore,
:58:04. > :58:07.it would mean cuts to the quality of education they are able to provide.
:58:08. > :58:09.And the question I asked Maggie is, you know,
:58:10. > :58:13.one of your schools is, I think it
:58:14. > :58:15.is the largest loser in the whole of Derbyshire.
:58:16. > :58:19.I don't know what you're going to say to them.
:58:20. > :58:27.Well, I think it's how you actually spend that
:58:28. > :58:36.The academy you mentioned has got a fantastic new headteacher.
:58:37. > :58:39.I know that the ethos she brings to the school
:58:40. > :58:42.It's the ethos of the school that's important.
:58:43. > :58:48.It's time now for a round-up of some of the other
:58:49. > :58:50.political stories from the East Midlands this week.
:58:51. > :59:03.Parents in Derby want the city's council to bring a
:59:04. > :59:05.long-running strike by school teaching assistants to an end.
:59:06. > :59:07.The ongoing dispute with the City Council
:59:08. > :59:09.over cuts in pay of up to
:59:10. > :59:12.?6,000 a year has seen them take action every day this week.
:59:13. > :59:14.Hospital managers say they are still not in a
:59:15. > :59:15.position to reopen Grantham's accident
:59:16. > :59:20.The department has been shut between 6:30pm and 9am since last
:59:21. > :59:23.The family of the former Leicester West
:59:24. > :59:26.MP Lord Janner has asked to be allowed to take part in the enquiry
:59:27. > :59:30.The Labour peer who died in 2015 is alleged to
:59:31. > :59:32.have abused youngsters over a 30 year period.
:59:33. > :59:33.His family have always strongly denied the claims.
:59:34. > :59:36.Nottingham is considering a bid to become the European capital of
:59:37. > :59:51.In the past, the title has brought an economic boost to cities
:59:52. > :59:55.The announcement on whether the City Council is applying will be
:59:56. > :59:58.And there is another busy week to come.
:59:59. > :00:00.That is the Sunday Politics in the East Midlands.
:00:01. > :00:02.My thanks to Maggie Throup and Lilian Greenwood.
:00:03. > :00:12.have to do this. Thank you to you both.
:00:13. > :00:22.What exactly is the government's industrial strategy?
:00:23. > :00:26.Will ministers lose their supreme court battle over Brexit, and,
:00:27. > :00:38.Well, tomorrow Theresa May is launching the government's
:00:39. > :00:42.industrial strategy - and to talk about that we're joined
:00:43. > :00:49.by the Business Minister, Margot James - welcome to the show.
:00:50. > :00:57.When you look at what has already been released in advance of the
:00:58. > :01:02.Prime Minister's statement, it was embargoed for last night, it's not
:01:03. > :01:06.really an industrial strategy, it's just another skills strategy, of
:01:07. > :01:13.which we have had about six since the war, and our skills training is
:01:14. > :01:18.among the worst in Western Europe? There will be plenty more to be
:01:19. > :01:21.announced tomorrow in what is really a discussion document in the
:01:22. > :01:26.preparation of an industrial strategy which we intend to launch
:01:27. > :01:34.properly later in the year. Let's look at skills. You are allocating
:01:35. > :01:40.117 of funding to establish institutes of technology. How many?
:01:41. > :01:46.The exact number is to be agreed, but the spend is there, and it will
:01:47. > :01:49.be on top of what we are doing to the university, technical
:01:50. > :01:56.colleges... How many were lit bio create? We don't know exactly, but
:01:57. > :01:59.we want to put them in areas where young people are performing under
:02:00. > :02:07.the national average. But if you don't know how many, what is the
:02:08. > :02:10.basis of 170 million? That is the amount the Treasury have released.
:02:11. > :02:15.The something that is very important, we are agreed we need to
:02:16. > :02:21.devote more resources to vocational training and get it on a par with
:02:22. > :02:27.academic qualifications. I looked on the website of my old university,
:02:28. > :02:32.the University of Glasgow, the Russell group universities. Its
:02:33. > :02:40.spending budget every year is over 600 million. That's one University.
:02:41. > :02:45.And yet you have a mere 170 million foreign unspecified number of
:02:46. > :02:50.institutes of technology. It hasn't got equality with the academics? You
:02:51. > :02:54.have to remember that just as you have quoted figures from Glasgow
:02:55. > :02:59.University there are further education colleges all over the
:03:00. > :03:07.country. The government is already spending on 16 to 19-year-olds. But
:03:08. > :03:12.also, we are going to be adding... This is new money that is all to the
:03:13. > :03:17.good, because we are already spending a lot. We have already
:03:18. > :03:22.created 2 million more apprentices since 2010. That many are not in
:03:23. > :03:27.what we would call the stem skills, and a lot come nowhere near what the
:03:28. > :03:33.Dutch, Germans and Austrians would have. I'm not clear how another 170
:03:34. > :03:37.million would do. You said it is more than skills. In what way is
:03:38. > :03:49.this industrial strategy different from what Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne
:03:50. > :03:51.did before? It's different because it is involving every single
:03:52. > :03:53.government department, and bringing together everything that government
:03:54. > :03:56.does in a bid to make Britain more competitive as it disengages from
:03:57. > :04:02.the European Union. That is what the last Labour government did. They
:04:03. > :04:06.will much more targeted interventions. Under the Labour
:04:07. > :04:11.government, the auto industry got some benefit. A few more sectors
:04:12. > :04:16.were broached under the coalition government. This is all about
:04:17. > :04:20.communities all over the country, some of whom have fallen behind in
:04:21. > :04:26.terms of wage growth and good jobs. The Prime Minister has already
:04:27. > :04:33.announced 2 billion as a research and development priority in specific
:04:34. > :04:37.technologies, robotics, artificial intelligence, medical technology,
:04:38. > :04:43.satellites... So you are doing what has been done before. There is
:04:44. > :04:47.nothing new about this. Wait until tomorrow, because there will be some
:04:48. > :04:51.new strands emerging. It is the beginning of the dialogue with
:04:52. > :04:57.industry and with workers, and the responses will be invited up until
:04:58. > :05:03.April. That will inform a wider strategy that goes beyond skills. I
:05:04. > :05:08.have moved on to beyond them. I'm slightly puzzled as to how the
:05:09. > :05:13.government knows where to invest in robotics, when it can't even provide
:05:14. > :05:18.the NHS with a decent IT system. Discuss. I have to say I find it
:05:19. > :05:21.bizarre that the government is making an announcement about an
:05:22. > :05:26.amount of money and don't know where it's going. This is typical of all
:05:27. > :05:32.governments over all political shoes, which is total disregard for
:05:33. > :05:40.technical education, so different from Germany, who actually invest in
:05:41. > :05:47.the technological side. Germany has a long history. We want to emulate
:05:48. > :05:51.some of the best of what German companies do. Siemens sponsor
:05:52. > :05:57.primary schools, for example. We want to get a dialogue on with
:05:58. > :06:02.business. We don't want to decide where this money is going. By the
:06:03. > :06:08.way, it was 4.7 billion that the government has agreed to invest in
:06:09. > :06:11.science and research, which is the most significant increase in
:06:12. > :06:16.decades. Can you remind us what happened in Northern Ireland, when
:06:17. > :06:19.the government invested money in state-of-the-art technology for
:06:20. > :06:26.energy? No one needs to be reminded of that, and that is not what we are
:06:27. > :06:32.doing. We are inviting business and industry to advise where that money
:06:33. > :06:37.is best spent. That's very different from government deciding that a
:06:38. > :06:42.particular technology is for the future. The government's chief
:06:43. > :06:48.scientific adviser has determined that we will invest a huge amount in
:06:49. > :06:53.battery technology, which should benefit the electric car industry,
:06:54. > :06:59.and... This is taxpayers' money. Who gets it? Ultimately, business will
:07:00. > :07:05.get it, but often only when there is a considerable amount of private
:07:06. > :07:13.sector finance also drawn in. But who is held to account? Various
:07:14. > :07:17.government departments at local authorities will hold this list to
:07:18. > :07:24.account. A lot of it is about releasing private capital as well.
:07:25. > :07:31.Thank you very much. This week, the Supreme Court, I think we know the
:07:32. > :07:35.ruling is coming on Tuesday. And the expectation is that the judges will
:07:36. > :07:40.say Parliament will have to vote to trigger. Is this all much ado about
:07:41. > :07:44.nothing? Parliament will vote to trigger, and the government will win
:07:45. > :07:48.in the Lords and the Commons by substantial majorities, and it will
:07:49. > :07:53.be triggered? Completely. We've known that. Parliament is voted.
:07:54. > :07:57.Everyone is pretty confident that the Supreme Court will uphold the
:07:58. > :08:06.High Court's decision and say it has to go to MPs. There will be a bit of
:08:07. > :08:12.toing and froing among MPs on amendments. You heard Diane Abbott's
:08:13. > :08:15.slightly car crash interview there. The Lib Dems may throw something in,
:08:16. > :08:23.but we will trigger Article 50 by the end of March. If it also says
:08:24. > :08:28.that the roll of Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast should be picked up,
:08:29. > :08:32.that could complicate matters. Absolutely. That could delay the
:08:33. > :08:36.planned triggering of Article 50 before the end of March. Not what
:08:37. > :08:41.they say about the Westminster Parliament, because it is clear that
:08:42. > :08:46.it was. I never understood the furore about that original judgment,
:08:47. > :08:51.because every MP made it clear they wouldn't block it. Even though Diane
:08:52. > :08:56.Abbott was evasive on several fronts, she said they wouldn't block
:08:57. > :09:00.it. You are right, if they give a vote, or give some authorisation for
:09:01. > :09:05.the Scottish Parliament and other devolved assemblies, that might
:09:06. > :09:11.delay the whole sequence. That is the only significant thing to watch
:09:12. > :09:16.out for. Watch out on Tuesday. Mrs May goes to Washington. It will be
:09:17. > :09:21.another movie in the making! I would suggest that she has a tricky line
:09:22. > :09:26.to follow. She has got to be seen to be taking advantage of the fact that
:09:27. > :09:31.there is a very pro-British, pro-Brexit president in the Oval
:09:32. > :09:35.Office, who I am told is prepared to expend political capital on this.
:09:36. > :09:48.But on the other hand, to make sure that she is not what we used to call
:09:49. > :09:52.Mr Blair, George Bush's poodle. It is very difficult, and who would not
:09:53. > :09:55.want to be a fly on the wall in that meeting! I can't think of anyone in
:09:56. > :10:00.the world who would despise Mr Trump more than Mrs May, and for him, he
:10:01. > :10:11.dislikes any woman who does not look like a supermodel, no disrespected
:10:12. > :10:14.Mrs May. Most of it is actually anti-EU, and I think we should
:10:15. > :10:20.capitalise it. Let's get the Queen to earn her money, roll out the red
:10:21. > :10:27.carpet, invite him to dinner, spend the night, what ever we need...
:10:28. > :10:32.Trump at Balmoral! Here is the issue, because the agenda is, as we
:10:33. > :10:37.heard from Ted Malloch earlier, that this is not an administration that
:10:38. > :10:40.has much time for the EU, EU integration or Germany. I think
:10:41. > :10:46.Germany will be the second biggest loser to begin with. They will not
:10:47. > :10:54.even give a date for Angela Merkel to meet the president. This is an
:10:55. > :11:02.opportunity for Mrs May... It is a huge. It could sideline talks of the
:11:03. > :11:08.punishment beating from Germany. The Trump presidency has completely
:11:09. > :11:12.changed the field on Brexit. Along came Donald Trump, and Theresa May
:11:13. > :11:18.has this incredible opportunity here. Not of her making, but she has
:11:19. > :11:24.played her cards well. To an officially be the EU emissary to
:11:25. > :11:29.Washington, to get some sort of broker going. That gives us huge
:11:30. > :11:33.extra leveraged in the Brexit negotiations. People around the
:11:34. > :11:37.world think Germany as a currency manipulator, that it is benefiting
:11:38. > :11:41.from an underpriced euro, hence the huge surplus it runs of America, and
:11:42. > :11:47.they think it is disgraceful that a country that runs a massive budget
:11:48. > :11:52.surplus spends only 1.2% of its GDP on defence, and America runs a
:11:53. > :11:58.massive deficit and needs to spend a lot more. He's going for Germany.
:11:59. > :12:03.And what a massive shift. I think Obama was quite open, in a farewell
:12:04. > :12:08.interview, that he felt closer to Merkel than any other European
:12:09. > :12:15.leader. And Jamie kind of reflected that in our discussion. Yes, that's
:12:16. > :12:20.very interesting discussion. I think she was the last person he spoke to
:12:21. > :12:26.in the White House, Obama. And now you are getting the onslaught from
:12:27. > :12:31.Trump. This Thatcher- Reagan imagery is dangerous, though. Blair was
:12:32. > :12:35.hypnotised by it and was too scared to criticise Bush, because he wanted
:12:36. > :12:41.to be seen in that light, and we know where that led. Cameron
:12:42. > :12:44.similarly with Obama, which presented him with problems, as
:12:45. > :12:51.Obama didn't regard him as his number one pin up in Europe. I would
:12:52. > :12:56.put a note of caution in there about the Thatcher - Reagan parallel.
:12:57. > :13:01.Everything Trump is doing now is different from before, so Mrs May
:13:02. > :13:07.should not have any of these previous relationships in her mind.
:13:08. > :13:14.That is not entirely true. Donald Trump aches to be the new Ronald
:13:15. > :13:18.Reagan. He may be impeached first! He sees her as the new Margaret
:13:19. > :13:26.Thatcher, and that may her leveraged with him. Thank you.
:13:27. > :13:31.We'll be back here at the same time next week, and you can catch up
:13:32. > :13:33.on all the latest political news on the Daily Politics,
:13:34. > :13:37.In the meantime, remember - if it's Sunday,
:13:38. > :14:15.It's just pain, but it doesn't feel like pain,
:14:16. > :14:19.it feels much more violent, dark and exciting.