12/03/2017

:00:34. > :00:38.It's Sunday morning and this is the Sunday Politics.

:00:39. > :00:42.David Davis tells MPs to leave the Brexit bill untouched,

:00:43. > :00:45.ahead of a week which could see Britain begin the process

:00:46. > :00:50.We'll talk to a Tory rebel and Ukip's Nigel Farage.

:00:51. > :00:53.Phillip Hammond's first budget hit the rocks thanks to a tax rise

:00:54. > :01:01.But how should we tax those who work for themselves?

:01:02. > :01:03.And remember Donald Trump's claim that Barack Obama had ordered

:01:04. > :01:17.We'll talk to the former Tory MP who set the whole story rolling.

:01:18. > :01:29.In the deed to kick-start the East Midlands

:01:30. > :01:31.And joining me for all of that, three self-employed journalists

:01:32. > :01:35.who definitely don't deserve a tax break.

:01:36. > :01:36.It's Steve Richards, Julia Hartley-Brewer

:01:37. > :01:40.They'll be tweeting throughout the programme with all the carefree

:01:41. > :01:48.abandon of Katie Hopkins before a libel trial.

:01:49. > :01:51.BBC lawyers have suddenly got nervous!

:01:52. > :01:53.So first today, the government is gearing up to trigger Article 50,

:01:54. > :01:56.perhaps in the next 48 hours, and start negotiating Britain's

:01:57. > :01:59.Much has been written about the prospect of the Commons

:02:00. > :02:02.getting a "meaningful vote" on the deal Britain negotiates.

:02:03. > :02:04.Brexit Secretary David Davis was on the Andrew Marr programme

:02:05. > :02:06.earlier this morning and he was asked what happens

:02:07. > :02:17.Well, that is what is called the most favoured nation status deal

:02:18. > :02:21.There we go out, as it were, on WTO rules.

:02:22. > :02:25.That is why of course we do the contingency planning, to make

:02:26. > :02:32.The British people decided on June the 23rd last year

:02:33. > :02:37.My job, and the job of the government, is to make

:02:38. > :02:47.the terms on which that happens as beneficial as possible.

:02:48. > :02:55.There we have it, clearly, either Parliament votes for the deal when

:02:56. > :02:58.it is done or it out on World Trade Organisation rules. That's what the

:02:59. > :03:00.government means by a meaningful vote.

:03:01. > :03:07.I think we get over obsessed about whether there will be a legal right

:03:08. > :03:10.for Parliament to have a vote. If there is no deal or a bad deal, I

:03:11. > :03:14.think it would be politically impossible for the government to

:03:15. > :03:17.reject Parliament's desire for a vote because the atmosphere of

:03:18. > :03:20.politics will be completely different by then. I take David

:03:21. > :03:25.Davies seriously. Within Whitehall he has acquired a reputation as

:03:26. > :03:29.being the most conscientious and details sadly... And well briefed.

:03:30. > :03:32.Absolutely and well travelled in terms of European capitals of the

:03:33. > :03:36.three Brexit ministers. It is quite telling he said what he did and it

:03:37. > :03:40.is quite telling that within cabinet, two weeks ago he was

:03:41. > :03:44.floating the idea of no deal at all. Being if not the central estimate

:03:45. > :03:48.than a completely plausible eventuality. It is interesting. I

:03:49. > :03:53.would suggest the prospect of no deal is moving up the agenda. It is

:03:54. > :03:59.still less likely than more likely to happen. But it's no longer a kind

:04:00. > :04:02.of long tail way out there in the distance. Planning for no deal is

:04:03. > :04:04.the same as having contents insurance or travel insurance, plan

:04:05. > :04:08.for the worse case scenarios are prepared it happens. Even the worst

:04:09. > :04:13.case scenario, it's not that bad. Think of the Jeep 20, apart from the

:04:14. > :04:18.EU, four members of the G20 economies are successful members of

:04:19. > :04:21.the EU. The rest aren't and don't have trade deals but somehow these

:04:22. > :04:26.countries are prospering. They are growing at a higher rate. You are

:04:27. > :04:30.not frightened? Not remotely. We are obsessed with what we get from the

:04:31. > :04:33.EU and the key thing we get from leaving the EU is not the deal but

:04:34. > :04:37.the other deals we can finally make with other trading partners. They

:04:38. > :04:40.have higher growth than virtually every other EU country apart from

:04:41. > :04:44.Germany. It is sensible as a negotiating position for the

:04:45. > :04:48.government to say if there is no deal, we will accept there is no

:04:49. > :04:53.deal. We're not frightened of no deal. It was clear from what David

:04:54. > :04:55.Davies was saying that there will be a vote in parliament at the end of

:04:56. > :05:01.the process but there won't be a third option to send the government

:05:02. > :05:05.back to try to get a better deal. It is either the deal or we leave

:05:06. > :05:09.without a deal. In reality, that third option will be there. We don't

:05:10. > :05:14.know yet whether there will be a majority for the deal if they get

:05:15. > :05:20.one. What we do know now is that there isn't a majority in the

:05:21. > :05:24.Commons for no deal. Labour MPs are absolutely clear that no deal is

:05:25. > :05:28.worth then a bad deal. I've heard enough Tory MPs say the same thing.

:05:29. > :05:37.But they wouldn't get no deal through. When it comes to this vote,

:05:38. > :05:40.if whatever deal is rejected, there will then be, one way or another,

:05:41. > :05:44.the third option raised of go back again. But who gets to decide what

:05:45. > :05:48.is a bad deal? The British people will have a different idea than the

:05:49. > :05:55.two thirds of the Remain supporting MPs in the Commons. In terms of the

:05:56. > :05:59.vote, the Commons. Surely, if the Commons, which is what matters here,

:06:00. > :06:05.if the Commons were to vote against the deal as negotiated by the

:06:06. > :06:09.government, surely that would trigger a general election? If the

:06:10. > :06:12.government had recommended the deal, surely the government would then, if

:06:13. > :06:18.it still felt strongly about the deal, if the other 27 had said,

:06:19. > :06:22.we're not negotiating, extending it, it would in effect become a second

:06:23. > :06:25.referendum on the deal. In effect it would be a no-confidence vote in the

:06:26. > :06:29.government. You've got to assume that unless something massively

:06:30. > :06:32.changes in the opposition before then, the government would feel

:06:33. > :06:37.fairly confident about a general election on those terms. Unless the

:06:38. > :06:41.deal is hideously bad and obviously basso every vote in the country...

:06:42. > :06:45.The prior minister said if it is that bad she would have rather no

:06:46. > :06:50.deal. So that eventuality arrives. -- the Prime Minister has said. Not

:06:51. > :06:55.a second referendum general election in two years' time. Don't put any

:06:56. > :06:58.holidays for! LAUGHTER -- don't look any.

:06:59. > :07:00.So the Brexit bill looks likely to clear Parliament this week.

:07:01. > :07:04.That depends on the number of Conservative MPs who are prepared

:07:05. > :07:06.to vote against their government on two key issues.

:07:07. > :07:10.Theresa May could be in negotiations with our European

:07:11. > :07:12.partners within days, but there may be some

:07:13. > :07:14.wheeler-dealings she has to do with her own MPs, too.

:07:15. > :07:19.Cast your mind back to the beginning of month.

:07:20. > :07:20.The bill to trigger Article 50 passed comfortably

:07:21. > :07:29.But three Conservatives voted for Labour's amendments to ensure

:07:30. > :07:33.the rights of EU citizens already in the UK.

:07:34. > :07:36.Seven Tory MPs voted to force the government to give Parliament

:07:37. > :07:41.a say on the deal struck with the EU before it's finalised.

:07:42. > :07:45.But remember those numbers, they're important.

:07:46. > :07:49.On the issue of a meaningful vote on a deal, I'm told there might have

:07:50. > :07:51.been more rebels had it not been for this assurance from

:07:52. > :07:57.I can confirm that the government will bring forward a motion

:07:58. > :07:59.on the final agreement to be approved by both Houses

:08:00. > :08:04.And we expect, and intend, that this will happen before

:08:05. > :08:11.the European Parliament debates and votes on the final agreement.

:08:12. > :08:16.When the government was criticised for reeling back

:08:17. > :08:20.from when and what it would offer a vote on.

:08:21. > :08:22.The bill then moved into the Lords, where peers passed it

:08:23. > :08:30.And the second, that Parliament be given a meaningful vote on the terms

:08:31. > :08:33.of the deal or indeed a vote in the event of there

:08:34. > :08:37.The so-called Brexit bill will return to Commons

:08:38. > :08:41.Ministers insist that both amendments would weaken

:08:42. > :08:44.the government's negotiating hand and are seeking to overturn them.

:08:45. > :08:50.But, as ever, politics is a numbers game.

:08:51. > :08:51.Theresa May has a working majority of 17.

:08:52. > :08:56.On Brexit, though, it's probably higher.

:08:57. > :08:58.At least six Labour MPs generally vote with

:08:59. > :09:02.Plus, eight DUP MPs, two from the Ulster Unionist party

:09:03. > :09:08.If all Conservatives vote with the government as well,

:09:09. > :09:14.Therefore, 26 Conservative rebels are needed for the government to be

:09:15. > :09:21.So, are there rough waters ahead for Theresa May?

:09:22. > :09:24.What numbers are we looking at, in terms of a potential rebellion?

:09:25. > :09:27.I think we're looking at a large number of people who are interested

:09:28. > :09:30.This building is a really important building.

:09:31. > :09:31.It's symbolic of a huge amount of history.

:09:32. > :09:35.And for it not to be involved in this momentous time would,

:09:36. > :09:42.But he says a clear verbal statement from the government on a meaningful

:09:43. > :09:48.vote on any deal would be enough to get most Tory MPs onside.

:09:49. > :09:50.It was already said about David Jones.

:09:51. > :09:52.It's slightly unravelled a little bit during

:09:53. > :09:57.I think this is an opportunity to really get that clarity

:09:58. > :10:00.through so that we can all vote for Article 50 and get

:10:01. > :10:04.We've have spoken to several Tory MPs who say they are minded to vote

:10:05. > :10:08.One said the situation was sad and depressing.

:10:09. > :10:11.The other said that the whips must be worried because they don't

:10:12. > :10:18.A minister told me Downing Street was looking again at the possibility

:10:19. > :10:22.of offering a vote in the event of no deal being reached.

:10:23. > :10:24.But that its position was unlikely to change.

:10:25. > :10:27.And, anyway, government sources have told the Sunday Politics they're not

:10:28. > :10:34.That those Tory MPs who didn't back either amendment the first time

:10:35. > :10:37.round would look silly if they did, this time.

:10:38. > :10:41.It would have to be a pretty hefty lot of people changing their minds

:10:42. > :10:44.about things that have already been discussed in quite a lot of detail,

:10:45. > :10:48.last time it was in the Commons, for things to be reversed this time.

:10:49. > :10:51.There's no doubt that a number of Tory MPs are very concerned.

:10:52. > :10:53.Labour are pessimistic about the chances of enough Tory

:10:54. > :10:56.rebels backing either of the amendments in the Commons.

:10:57. > :10:59.The important thing, I think, is to focus on the fact

:11:00. > :11:02.that this is the last chance to have a say on this.

:11:03. > :11:06.If they're going to vote with us, Monday is the time to do it.

:11:07. > :11:08.Assuming the bill does pass the Commons unamended,

:11:09. > :11:11.it will go back to the Lord's on Monday night where Labour peers

:11:12. > :11:15.have already indicated they won't block it again.

:11:16. > :11:18.It means that the Brexit bill would become law and Theresa May

:11:19. > :11:22.would be free to trigger Article 50 within days.

:11:23. > :11:24.Her own deadline was the end of this month.

:11:25. > :11:30.But one minister told me there were advantages to doing it early.

:11:31. > :11:33.We're joined now from Nottingham by the Conservative MP Anna Soubry.

:11:34. > :11:35.She's previously voted against the government on the question

:11:36. > :11:42.of whether Parliament should have a final say over the EU deal.

:11:43. > :11:48.Anna Soubry, I think it was clear this morning from David Davies that

:11:49. > :11:51.what he means by meaningful vote is not what you mean by a meaningful

:11:52. > :11:56.vote. He thinks the choice for Parliament would be to either vote

:11:57. > :12:00.for the deal and if Parliament doesn't, we leave on World Trade

:12:01. > :12:06.Organisation rules, on a bare-bones structure. In the end, will he

:12:07. > :12:10.accept that in the Commons tomorrow? No, because my problem and I don't

:12:11. > :12:14.think it is a problem, but my problem, the government's problem is

:12:15. > :12:18.that what I want is then to answer this question. What happens in the

:12:19. > :12:23.event of their not being any deal? David Davies made it very clear that

:12:24. > :12:27.in the event of there being no deal, Parliament would have no say. It

:12:28. > :12:31.means through your elected representatives, the people of this

:12:32. > :12:36.country would have no say on what happens if the government doesn't

:12:37. > :12:38.get a deal. I think the request that Parliament should have a say on

:12:39. > :12:43.Parliamentary sovereignty, is perfectly reasonable. That is what I

:12:44. > :12:50.want David to say. If he says that, I won't be rebelling. If he does...

:12:51. > :12:54.They have refused to say that. Sorry. If he continues to say what

:12:55. > :13:00.he said the BBC this morning, which means that the vote will be either

:13:01. > :13:06.to accept the as negotiated or to leave on WTO rules, will you rebel

:13:07. > :13:11.on that question but no, no, sorry, if there's a deal, Parliament will

:13:12. > :13:14.have a say. So that's fine. And we will see what the deal is and we

:13:15. > :13:18.will look at the options two years down the road. When who knows

:13:19. > :13:22.what'll happen in our economy and world economy. That is one matter

:13:23. > :13:26.which I am content on. The Prime Minister, a woman of her word has

:13:27. > :13:32.said that in the event of a deal, Parliament will vote on any deal. I

:13:33. > :13:36.don't difficulty. To clarify, I will come onto that. These are important

:13:37. > :13:39.matters. I want to clarify, not argue with you. You are content that

:13:40. > :13:43.if there is a deal, we will come under no deal in a second, but if

:13:44. > :13:50.there is a deal, you are content with the choice of being able to

:13:51. > :13:52.vote for that deal or leaving on WTO terms? No, you're speculating as to

:13:53. > :13:58.what might happen in two years' time. What the options might be.

:13:59. > :14:01.Personally I find it inconceivable that the government will come back

:14:02. > :14:05.with a rubbish deal. They will either come back with a good deal,

:14:06. > :14:09.which I won't have a problem with or they will come back with no deal. To

:14:10. > :14:14.speculate about coming back with a deal, there is a variety of options.

:14:15. > :14:17.I understand that that is what the Lord amendments are about. They are

:14:18. > :14:25.about a vote at the end of the process. Do forgive me, the Lords

:14:26. > :14:27.amendment is not the same that I've voted for in Parliament. What we

:14:28. > :14:30.call the Chris Leslie amendment, which was talking about whatever the

:14:31. > :14:33.agreement is, whatever happens at the end of the negotiations,

:14:34. > :14:36.Parliament will have a vote. Parliament will have a say. The

:14:37. > :14:42.Lords amendment is a bit more technical. It is the principle of no

:14:43. > :14:46.deal that is agitating us. Let's clarify on this. They are

:14:47. > :14:50.complicated matters. What do you want the government to say? What do

:14:51. > :14:55.you want David Davis to say tomorrow on what should the Parliamentary

:14:56. > :14:59.process should be if there is no deal? Quite. I want a commitment

:15:00. > :15:03.from him that in the event of no deal, it will come into Parliament

:15:04. > :15:10.and Parliament will determine what happens next. It could be that in

:15:11. > :15:14.the event of no deal, the best thing is for us to jump off the cliff into

:15:15. > :15:17.WTO tariff is. I find it unlikely but that might be the reality. There

:15:18. > :15:22.might be other alternatives. Most importantly, including saying to the

:15:23. > :15:24.government, go back, carry on. The question that everybody has to ask

:15:25. > :15:35.is, why won't the government give My fear is what this is about is

:15:36. > :15:40.asked deliberately, not the Prime Minister, but others deliberately

:15:41. > :15:45.ensuring we have no deal and no deal pretty soon and in that event, we

:15:46. > :15:50.jumped off the cliff onto WTO tariffs and nobody in this country

:15:51. > :15:56.and the people of this country do not have a say. My constituents did

:15:57. > :16:00.not vote for hard Brexit. You do not want the government to

:16:01. > :16:07.have the ability if there is no deal to automatically fall back on the

:16:08. > :16:11.WTO rules? Quite. It is as simple as that. We are now speculating about

:16:12. > :16:17.what will happen in two years. I want to find out what happens

:16:18. > :16:22.tomorrow. What will you do if you don't get that assurance? I will

:16:23. > :16:26.either abstain, or I will vote to keep this amendment within the Bill.

:16:27. > :16:31.I will either vote against my government, which I do not do

:16:32. > :16:34.likely, I have never voted against my government until the Chris Leslie

:16:35. > :16:38.clause when the Bill was going through, or I will abstain, which

:16:39. > :16:42.has pretty much the same effect because it comes into the Commons

:16:43. > :16:48.with both amendments so you have positively to vote to take the map.

:16:49. > :16:53.Can you give us an idea of how many like-minded conservative colleagues

:16:54. > :16:59.there are. I genuinely do not know. You must talk to each other. I do

:17:00. > :17:06.not talk to every member of my party. You know people who are

:17:07. > :17:10.like-minded. I do. I am not doing numbers games. I know you want that

:17:11. > :17:16.but I genuinely do not know the figure. I think this is an

:17:17. > :17:22.uncomfortable truth. People have to understand what has happened in our

:17:23. > :17:26.country, two particular newspapers, creating an atmosphere and setting

:17:27. > :17:29.an agenda and I think many people are rather concerned, some

:17:30. > :17:35.frightened, to put their head over the parapet. There are many millions

:17:36. > :17:40.of people who feel totally excluded from this process. Many of them

:17:41. > :17:43.voted to remain. And they have lost their voice. We have covered the

:17:44. > :17:45.ground I wanted to. We're joined now by the Ukip MEP

:17:46. > :17:57.and former leader Nigel Farage. Article 50 triggered, we are leaving

:17:58. > :18:01.the EU, the single market and the customs union. What is left you to

:18:02. > :18:05.complain about? All of that will happen and hopefully we will get the

:18:06. > :18:09.triggered this week which is good news. What worries me a little I'm

:18:10. > :18:14.not sure the government recognises how strong their handers. At the

:18:15. > :18:17.summit in Brussels, the word in the corridors is that we are prepared to

:18:18. > :18:22.give away fishing waters as a bargaining chip and the worry is

:18:23. > :18:26.what deal we get. Are we leaving, yes I am pleased about that. You are

:18:27. > :18:31.under relevant voice in the deal because the deal will be voted on in

:18:32. > :18:36.Parliament and you have one MP. You are missing the point, the real vote

:18:37. > :18:40.in parliament is not in London but Strasbourg. This is perhaps the

:18:41. > :18:44.biggest obstacle the British Government faces. Not what happens

:18:45. > :18:49.in the Commons that the end of the two years, the European Parliament

:18:50. > :18:54.could veto the deal. What that means is people need to adopt a different

:18:55. > :18:56.approach. We do not need to be lobbying in the corridors of

:18:57. > :19:02.Brussels to get a good deal, we need is a country to be out there talking

:19:03. > :19:06.to the German car workers and Belgian chocolate makers, putting as

:19:07. > :19:10.much pressure as we can on politicians from across Europe to

:19:11. > :19:15.come to a sensible arrangement. It is in their interests more than

:19:16. > :19:22.ours. In what way is the vision of Brexit set out by David Davis any

:19:23. > :19:25.different from your own? I am delighted there are people now

:19:26. > :19:33.adopting the position I argued for many years. Good. But now... Like

:19:34. > :19:39.Douglas Carswell, he said he found David Davis' performers this morning

:19:40. > :19:44.reassuring. It is. And just as when Theresa May was Home Secretary every

:19:45. > :19:47.performance she gave was hugely reassuring. She was seen to be a

:19:48. > :19:54.heroine after her conference speeches and then did not deliver. I

:19:55. > :20:00.am concerned that even before we start we are making concessions. You

:20:01. > :20:04.described in the EU's divorce bill demands, 60 billion euros is floated

:20:05. > :20:10.around. You said it is laughable and I understand that. Do you maintain

:20:11. > :20:18.that we will not have to pay a penny to leave? It is nine months since we

:20:19. > :20:24.voted exit and assuming the trigger of Article 50, we would have paid 30

:20:25. > :20:28.billion in since we had a vote. We are still members. But honestly, I

:20:29. > :20:32.do not think there is an appetite for us to pay a massive divorce

:20:33. > :20:40.Bill. There are assets also. Not a penny? There will be some ongoing

:20:41. > :20:46.commitments, but the numbers talked about our 50, ?60 billion, they are

:20:47. > :20:51.frankly laughable. I am trying to find out if you are prepared to

:20:52. > :20:56.accept some kind of exit cost, it may be nowhere near 60 billion. We

:20:57. > :20:58.have to do a net agreement, the government briefed about our share

:20:59. > :21:05.of the European Union investment bank. Would you accept a

:21:06. > :21:10.transitional arrangement, deal, five, ten billion, as part of the

:21:11. > :21:15.divorce settlement? We are painted net ?30 million every single day at

:21:16. > :21:20.the moment, ?10 billion plus every year. That is just our contribution.

:21:21. > :21:27.We are going to make a massive saving on this. What do you make of

:21:28. > :21:32.what Anna Soubry said, that if there is no deal, and it is being talked

:21:33. > :21:36.about more. Maybe the government managing expectations. There is an

:21:37. > :21:41.expectation we will have a deal, but if there is no deal, that the

:21:42. > :21:46.government cannot just go to WTO rules, but it has to have a vote in

:21:47. > :21:49.parliament? By the time we get to that there will be a general

:21:50. > :21:55.election coming down the tracks and I suspect that if at the end of the

:21:56. > :21:59.two-year process there is no deal and by the way, no deal is a lot

:22:00. > :22:04.better for the nation than where we currently are, because we freed of

:22:05. > :22:07.regulations and able to make our own deals in the world. I think what

:22:08. > :22:14.would happen, and if Parliament said it did not back, at the end of the

:22:15. > :22:21.negotiation a general election would happen quickly. According to reports

:22:22. > :22:26.this morning, one of your most senior aides has passed a dossier to

:22:27. > :22:30.police claiming Tories committed electoral fraud in Thanet South, the

:22:31. > :22:36.seat contested in the election. What evidence to you have? I read that in

:22:37. > :22:39.the newspapers as you have. I am not going to comment on it. Will you not

:22:40. > :22:46.aware of the contents of the dossier? I am not aware of the

:22:47. > :22:52.dossier. He was your election strategists. I am dubious as to

:22:53. > :22:57.whether this dossier exists at all. Perhaps the newspapers have got this

:22:58. > :23:05.wrong. Concerns about the downloading of data the took place

:23:06. > :23:12.in that constituency, there are. Allegedly, he has refuted it, was it

:23:13. > :23:17.done by your MP to give information to the Tories, do you have evidence

:23:18. > :23:24.about? We have evidence Mr Carswell downloaded information, we have no

:23:25. > :23:28.evidence what he did with it. It is not just your aide who has been

:23:29. > :23:34.making allegations against the Conservatives in Thanet South and

:23:35. > :23:41.other seats, if the evidence was to be substantial, and if it was to

:23:42. > :23:45.result in another by-election being called an Thanet South had to be

:23:46. > :23:50.fought again, would you be the Ukip candidate? I probably would. You

:23:51. > :23:56.probably would? Yes. Just probably? Just probably. It would be your

:23:57. > :24:00.eighth attempt. Winning seats in parliament under first past the post

:24:01. > :24:02.is not the only way to change politics in Britain and I would like

:24:03. > :24:09.to think I proved that. Let's go back to Anna Soubry. The implication

:24:10. > :24:13.of what we were saying on the panel at the start of the show and what

:24:14. > :24:18.Nigel Farage was saying there would be that if at the end of the process

:24:19. > :24:22.whatever the vote, if the government were to lose it, it would provoke a

:24:23. > :24:27.general election properly. I think that would be right. Let's get real.

:24:28. > :24:31.The government is not going to come to Parliament with anything other

:24:32. > :24:39.than something it believes is a good deal and if it rejected it, would be

:24:40. > :24:43.unlikely, there would be a de facto vote of no confidence and it would

:24:44. > :24:48.be within the fixed term Parliaments act and that be it. The problem is,

:24:49. > :24:54.more likely, because of the story put up about the 50 billion, 60

:24:55. > :24:57.billion and you look at the way things are flagged up that both the

:24:58. > :25:02.Prime Minister and Boris Johnson saying, we should be asking them for

:25:03. > :25:07.money back, I think the big fear and the fear I have is we will be

:25:08. > :25:12.crashing out in six months. You think we could leave as quickly as

:25:13. > :25:18.six months. Explain that. I think they will stoke up the demand from

:25:19. > :25:22.the EU for 50, 60 billion back and my real concern is that within six

:25:23. > :25:27.months, where we're not making much progress, maybe nine months, and

:25:28. > :25:31.people are getting increasingly fed up with the EU because they are told

:25:32. > :25:35.it wants unreasonable demands, and then the crash. I think what is

:25:36. > :25:40.happening is the government is putting in place scaffolding at the

:25:41. > :25:45.bottom of the cliff to break our fall when we come to fall off that

:25:46. > :25:50.cliff and I think many in government are preparing not for a two-year

:25:51. > :25:56.process, but six, to nine months, off the cliff, out we go. That is my

:25:57. > :26:00.fear. That is interesting. I have not heard that express before by

:26:01. > :26:07.someone in your position. I suspect you have made Nigel Farage's date.

:26:08. > :26:13.It is a lovely thought. I would say to Anna Soubry she is out of date

:26:14. > :26:16.with this. 40 years ago there was a good argument for joining the common

:26:17. > :26:21.market because tariffs around the world was so high. That has changed

:26:22. > :26:25.with the World Trade Organisation. We are leaving the EU and rejoining

:26:26. > :26:34.a great big world and it is exciting. She was giving an

:26:35. > :26:35.interesting perspective on what could happen in nine months rather

:26:36. > :26:40.than two years. I thank you both. It was Philip Hammond's first

:26:41. > :26:42.budget on Wednesday - billed as a steady-as-she-goes

:26:43. > :26:48.affair, but turned out to cause uproar after the Chancellor appeared

:26:49. > :26:50.to contradict a Tory manifesto commitment with an increase

:26:51. > :26:52.in national insurance contributions. The aim was to address what some see

:26:53. > :27:01.as an imbalance in the tax system, where employees pay

:27:02. > :27:03.more National Insurance The controversy centres

:27:04. > :27:06.on increasing the so-called class 4 rate for the self-employed who make

:27:07. > :27:09.a profit of more than ?8,060 a year. It will go up in stages

:27:10. > :27:16.from 9% to 11% in 2019. The changes mean that over one

:27:17. > :27:20.and a half million will pay on average ?240 a year

:27:21. > :27:24.more in contributions. Some Conservative MPs were unhappy,

:27:25. > :27:30.with even the Wales Minister saying: "I will apologise to every

:27:31. > :27:33.voter in Wales that read the Conservative manifesto

:27:34. > :27:34.in the 2015 election." The Sun labelled Philip

:27:35. > :27:40.Hammond "spite van man". The Daily Mail called the budget

:27:41. > :27:43."no laughing matter". By Thursday, Theresa May

:27:44. > :27:45.said the government One of the first things I did

:27:46. > :27:51.as Prime Minister was to commission Matthew Taylor to review the rights

:27:52. > :27:55.and protections that were available to self-employed workers

:27:56. > :27:58.and whether they should be enhanced. People will be able to look

:27:59. > :28:00.at the government paper when we produce it, showing

:28:01. > :28:03.all our changes, and take And, of course, the Chancellor will

:28:04. > :28:08.be speaking, as will his ministers, to MPs, businesspeople and others

:28:09. > :28:12.to listen to the concerns. Well, the man you heard mentioned

:28:13. > :28:14.there, Matthew Taylor, has the job of producing

:28:15. > :28:28.a report into the future Welcome. The Chancellor has decided

:28:29. > :28:32.the self-employed should pay almost the same in National Insurance, not

:28:33. > :28:37.the same but almost, as the employed will stop what is left of your

:28:38. > :28:41.commission? The commission has a broader frame of reference and we

:28:42. > :28:47.are interested in the quality of work in the economy at the heart of

:28:48. > :28:52.what I hope will be proposing is a set of shifts that will improve the

:28:53. > :28:56.quality of that work so we have an economy where all work is fair and

:28:57. > :28:59.decent and all jobs give people scope for development and

:29:00. > :29:08.fulfilment. The issue of taxes a small part. You will cover that? We

:29:09. > :29:10.will, because the tax system and employment regulation system drive

:29:11. > :29:17.particular behaviours in our labour market. You approve I think of the

:29:18. > :29:22.general direction of this policy of raising National Insurance on the

:29:23. > :29:27.self-employed. Taxing them in return perhaps for more state benefits. Why

:29:28. > :29:31.are so many others on the left against it from Tim Farron to John

:29:32. > :29:36.McDonnell? Tax rises are unpopular and it is the role of the opposition

:29:37. > :29:40.parties to make capital from unpopular tax rises. I think as tax

:29:41. > :29:44.rises go this is broadly progressive. There are self-employed

:29:45. > :29:49.people on low incomes and they will be better off. It is economic league

:29:50. > :29:52.rational because the reason for the difference in National Insurance --

:29:53. > :29:57.economically. It was to do with state entitlements. The government

:29:58. > :30:02.is consulting about paid parental leave. A series of governments have

:30:03. > :30:07.not been good about thinking about medium sustainability of the tax

:30:08. > :30:11.base. Self-employment is growing. But it is eroding the tax base. It

:30:12. > :30:18.is important to address those issues. A number of think tanks have

:30:19. > :30:23.said this is a progressive move. Yet, a number of left-wing

:30:24. > :30:29.politicians have been against it. And a number of Tories have said

:30:30. > :30:32.this is a progressive move and not a Tory government move, the balance of

:30:33. > :30:37.you will pay more tax, but you will get more state benefits is not a

:30:38. > :30:41.Tory approach to things. That a Tory approach will be you will pay less

:30:42. > :30:44.tax but entitled to fewer benefits as well.

:30:45. > :30:54.I preferred in and policies to politics -- I prefer policies. When

:30:55. > :30:58.people look at the policy and when they look the fact that there is no

:30:59. > :31:00.real historical basis for that big national insurance differential,

:31:01. > :31:05.they see it is a sensible policy. I don't have to deal with the

:31:06. > :31:08.politics. There has been a huge growth in self-employment from the

:31:09. > :31:10.turn of the millennium. It's been strongest amongst older workers,

:31:11. > :31:18.women part-timers. Do you have any idea, do you have

:31:19. > :31:22.the data in your commission that could tell us how many are taking

:31:23. > :31:26.self-employment because they like the flexibility and they like the

:31:27. > :31:31.tax advantages that come with it, too, or they are being forced into

:31:32. > :31:36.it by employers who don't want the extra costs of employment? Do we

:31:37. > :31:42.know the difference? We do, broadly. Most surveys on self-employment and

:31:43. > :31:45.flexible forms of employment suggest about two thirds to three quarters

:31:46. > :31:49.enjoy it, they like the flexibility, they like the autonomy and about a

:31:50. > :31:54.third to one quarter are less happy. That tends to be because they would

:31:55. > :31:56.like to have a full-time permanent job. It is not necessary that they

:31:57. > :32:01.don't enjoy what they are doing, they would like to do other things.

:32:02. > :32:05.And some of the protections that come with it? Yes. There are some

:32:06. > :32:08.people who are forced into southern employees by high-risk but also some

:32:09. > :32:13.people feel like they can't get a proper job as it were. --

:32:14. > :32:19.self-employment by people who hire them. It is on the narrow matter of

:32:20. > :32:23.tax revenues but if you are employed on ?32,000 the state will take over

:32:24. > :32:27.?6,000 in national insurance contributions, that is quite chunky.

:32:28. > :32:31.If you are self-employed it is ?2300. But the big difference

:32:32. > :32:38.between those figures isn't what the employee is paying, it's the

:32:39. > :32:42.employer's contributions up to almost 14%, and cupped for as much

:32:43. > :32:51.as you are paid. What do you do about employers' contributions for

:32:52. > :32:55.the self employed? -- it is uncapped for as much. What I recommend is

:32:56. > :32:59.that we should probably move from taxing employment to taxing labour.

:33:00. > :33:03.We should probably have a more level playing field so it doesn't really

:33:04. > :33:07.matter... Explained that I thought it was the same thing. If you are a

:33:08. > :33:11.self-employed gardener, you are a different tax regime to a gardener

:33:12. > :33:20.who works for a gardening firm. On the individual side and on the firm

:33:21. > :33:23.side. As we see new business models, so-called gig working, partly with

:33:24. > :33:28.technology, we need a more level playing field saying that we're

:33:29. > :33:32.taxing people's work, not the form in which they deliver that. That is

:33:33. > :33:34.part of the reason we have seen the growth of particular business

:33:35. > :33:40.models. They are innovative and creative and partly driven by the

:33:41. > :33:44.fact that if you can describe yourself as self-employed there are

:33:45. > :33:46.tax advantages. Coming out in June? Will you come back and talk to us?

:33:47. > :33:48.Yes. We say goodbye to viewers

:33:49. > :33:53.in Scotland, who leave us now Coming up here in 20 minutes,

:33:54. > :33:58.we'll be talking to the former Tory MP who was the root

:33:59. > :34:11.of Donald Trump's allegation In the East Midlands: There's

:34:12. > :34:13.a boost for the region Spreadsheet Phil unveils his plans

:34:14. > :34:18.to kick start the Midlands Engine, with thousands of jobs

:34:19. > :34:31.and billions invested. I know that the East Midlands is a

:34:32. > :34:34.powerhouse of small business across these midlands, Nottingham,

:34:35. > :34:37.Leicester, huge centres of successful entrepreneurial small

:34:38. > :34:39.businesses and we are backing them all the way.

:34:40. > :34:42.And an overhaul of qualifications, will the new T levels give

:34:43. > :34:44.students the work skills to boost our economy?

:34:45. > :34:52.Last year I went on site and I wasn't confident at all doing what I

:34:53. > :34:56.was doing but now there is a split and I'm learning and working it has

:34:57. > :35:00.definitely boosted my confidence. My guests this week,

:35:01. > :35:03.Heather Wheeler is the Conservative MP for South Derbyshire

:35:04. > :35:10.and Lilian Greenwood is Labour's MP Welcome. Understandably, the Budget

:35:11. > :35:16.news. Heather, you cannot be feeling news. Heather, you cannot be feeling

:35:17. > :35:24.too comfortable at the backlash to your back's party's changes to

:35:25. > :35:27.self-insurance. There are two fax to that. One is

:35:28. > :35:31.that it is a separate peace to the budgets of it is not voted on when

:35:32. > :35:36.we vote on the Budget, it is noted in the autumn and the rhythmic in

:35:37. > :35:38.between there is a consultation so many fears will be allayed in the

:35:39. > :35:41.consultation before the autumn. consultation before the autumn.

:35:42. > :35:46.So it might not happen? It is not popular. Their fears will

:35:47. > :35:50.be allayed because there has been a lot of nonsense over this. 60% of

:35:51. > :35:55.people who are stubborn pride will not be any worse off whatsoever. And

:35:56. > :36:05.it is amazing how that figure has not been brought up by the media.

:36:06. > :36:07.Ultimately, if the rich pay the rich pay.

:36:08. > :36:09.It is about fairness. If your figures are about 40% will be worse

:36:10. > :36:16.off. If you are earning more than

:36:17. > :36:21.?100,000 you can afford it. Heather is putting a very kind gloss

:36:22. > :36:25.on what has been an absolute disaster for the Chancellor and the

:36:26. > :36:30.Government. They promised in their manifesto just 18 months ago, that

:36:31. > :36:33.they were not going to increase national insurance contributions and

:36:34. > :36:37.now hard-working self-employed people start ups, people running

:36:38. > :36:39.small businesses are finding that they are going to see an increase in

:36:40. > :36:43.the national insurance contributions.

:36:44. > :36:45.Many would say it seems to make sense to equalise national Insurance

:36:46. > :36:51.contributions. As I say, people are seeing a broken

:36:52. > :36:57.promise from this Tory Government. And it comes in... You did not say

:36:58. > :37:01.any of that eight months ago. Jeremy Corbyn did not say that.

:37:02. > :37:05.In the last election campaign when reporters from the Tory party saying

:37:06. > :37:07.that Ed Miliband was going to be dug National Insurance contribution due

:37:08. > :37:11.promise not to put up national insurance contributions that is

:37:12. > :37:14.precisely what you have done. USA your party agrees that is the

:37:15. > :37:18.hardest thing for people to swallow is a broken promise.

:37:19. > :37:21.This change is coming at a low level there are going to hit people in

:37:22. > :37:26.changes that they were not expecting pass money has been given away in in

:37:27. > :37:29.changes to inheritance tax, corporation tax, this is a choice

:37:30. > :37:32.that this Government are making and you can see how unpopular it is

:37:33. > :37:36.proving. Clearly I do not agree. Since the

:37:37. > :37:40.election apart from anything else we've got the referendum and we got

:37:41. > :37:45.Brexit, things change. But more than that we passed a new act since the

:37:46. > :37:45.18 months of the election and national insurance contributions

:37:46. > :37:50.change then, national insurance and change then, national insurance and

:37:51. > :37:59.abuse and is changing now. So nobody screamed and squealed then.

:38:00. > :38:03.The Chancellor took time off from the row over National Insurance

:38:04. > :38:04.to finally kick start the Midlands Engine.

:38:05. > :38:07.After years of playing second fiddle to the Northern Powerhouse,

:38:08. > :38:09.Phillip Hammond announced the region would get almost ?400 million

:38:10. > :38:12.for the project which is aiming to create 300,000 jobs.

:38:13. > :38:14.And he wasn't the only one handing out the cash -

:38:15. > :38:17.government ministers flocked to the region to announce big hand

:38:18. > :38:23.Here's our Political Editor Tony Roe.

:38:24. > :38:28.The Chancellor is known as spreadsheet fell because of his love

:38:29. > :38:32.of planning. This wiki unveils some big plans for the Midlands. Top of

:38:33. > :38:37.his agenda, heated to the stage in Dudley to formally launch the

:38:38. > :38:39.Midlands engine with the promise of ?392 million.

:38:40. > :38:43.I'll tell you the good news. I used to live in Nottingham is when I talk

:38:44. > :38:47.about the Midlands don't just think about the West Midlands grinder that

:38:48. > :38:52.the East Midlands is a powerhouse of small business. Nottingham,

:38:53. > :38:54.Leicester, huge centres of successful entrepreneurial small

:38:55. > :38:59.businesses and we are backing them all the way.

:39:00. > :39:03.The focus returned to the East Midlands were local Government

:39:04. > :39:08.minister was at the space centre to announce list of Leicester and

:39:09. > :39:12.package worth ?26 million including package worth ?26 million including

:39:13. > :39:16.The space industry SA huge sector The space industry SA huge sector

:39:17. > :39:21.and one that is growing very quickly. And the Government through

:39:22. > :39:25.its industrial strategy and enterprise it as an area where we

:39:26. > :39:32.high-value jobs to the economy and high-value jobs to the economy and

:39:33. > :39:35.he relaxed they are at the forefront of that sector that is why we are

:39:36. > :39:42.backing the project that the local enterprise partnership put forward.

:39:43. > :39:45.A few moments later Andrew Percy was in Sherwood Forest play Robin Hood

:39:46. > :39:52.and handing out ?63 million to the poor. Well, to the enterprise

:39:53. > :39:54.partnership to be exact. At the million included for a new visitor

:39:55. > :39:58.centre here. Daddy the governments pick winners

:39:59. > :40:01.between different regions of the country is nonsense. Of course we

:40:02. > :40:06.are investing in these Midlands as we are investing in other areas

:40:07. > :40:09.because we're genuine when we say one to create an economy that does

:40:10. > :40:14.work for everybody. Derby will get ?11 million to help

:40:15. > :40:18.with the regeneration of the city centre and Nottingham will get 10

:40:19. > :40:22.million towards the ?150 million free vamp of their broad March.

:40:23. > :40:27.That is not the end of the spending, though. Back there's Loughborough

:40:28. > :40:32.motorway. It regularly gets motorway. It regularly gets

:40:33. > :40:35.congested so they are going to spend ?12 million improving the roads

:40:36. > :40:41.around here. That is going to free up land for 4000 new homes. It is

:40:42. > :40:45.all part of improving the infrastructure, the Midlands connect

:40:46. > :40:48.part of the Midlands engine. The Government wants to increase

:40:49. > :40:51.productivity, part of what is holding the region and the nation

:40:52. > :40:56.back is other transport system. Clogged roads, slowing us down

:40:57. > :41:04.costing time and money. It can be tiring at times because of

:41:05. > :41:07.locations in the local area which locations in the local area which

:41:08. > :41:12.could do with improvement. So long-term plans to invest in road

:41:13. > :41:16.and rail is good for business. It will reduce traffic on the road

:41:17. > :41:18.for us and it will give us greater accuracy in our delivery times for

:41:19. > :41:20.our customers. We run our trucks 24 hours a

:41:21. > :41:26.night and day and we have a lot of night and day and we have a lot of

:41:27. > :41:29.deliveries. Any delays have a knock-on effect on by the end of the

:41:30. > :41:32.day we end up having bit more vehicles on the road to cover the

:41:33. > :41:36.jobs we have covered the got. The ultimate prize will be a 34

:41:37. > :41:40.million published the economy and 300,000 new jobs. For years there

:41:41. > :41:44.has been talk of the Midlands engine but not much sign of action. For the

:41:45. > :41:49.chance of this was the wheat from the boxes for boosting this region's

:41:50. > :41:50.economy began to be ticked. The challenge now will be to make it run

:41:51. > :42:02.smoothly. it?

:42:03. > :42:09.Of course. It is good they are the moment we exist. A lot of this money

:42:10. > :42:14.is re-spending money that has a ready been announced but certainly

:42:15. > :42:18.it is welcome. I think there are two issues for me. We're hearing about

:42:19. > :42:21.millions of pounds now but we know that our local authorities have lost

:42:22. > :42:27.many many times more over the last few years will stop Nottingham City

:42:28. > :42:32.Council has lost ?82 million in the last four years and that makes it

:42:33. > :42:36.difficult to do things like maintaining the roads and naturally

:42:37. > :42:40.that leads to problems. Of course our number one transport priority

:42:41. > :42:43.for the region has been the electrification of Midland mainline.

:42:44. > :42:45.That is ready been delayed by four years and now we know that its

:42:46. > :42:50.future is in doubt. Yes, it is welcome. Is it in doubt?

:42:51. > :42:52.Why is the Government holding back from letting us know where you stand

:42:53. > :42:56.on it? Where is the funding? If you

:42:57. > :42:59.actually read the Midlands connect brochure it is in their front and

:43:00. > :43:02.centre. So your Government is fully

:43:03. > :43:07.Absolutely. Why wouldn't the Absolutely. Why wouldn't the

:43:08. > :43:11.Minister commit to it being completed by 2023 when I challenged

:43:12. > :43:14.him at the last transport questions? You know very well but we have a

:43:15. > :43:21.number of Victorian bridges that are going to need major lift up because

:43:22. > :43:26.of the extra amount for the electric cables. It is huge.

:43:27. > :43:29.So it was met at the 2019 and it has been delayed by four years there is

:43:30. > :43:35.no commitment from rail Minister for it to be completed as promised.

:43:36. > :43:38.It is in the brochure. Please read it. Let's talk about the

:43:39. > :43:45.deals on the table this week. Is it enough cash your body Midlands

:43:46. > :43:48.engine? The northern powerhouse got ?556 million back in January. There

:43:49. > :43:50.work done in our region. work done in our region.

:43:51. > :43:53.Is it you not? Of course not apart Is it you not? Of course not apart

:43:54. > :43:56.from anything else you know that we've got HS2 coming and believe it

:43:57. > :43:59.or not that means it comes to the Midlands report gets to the not so

:44:00. > :44:04.there is a huge amount of money being spent. The regeneration, we

:44:05. > :44:08.have been waiting years to get that apple. That is ?4.4 million that the

:44:09. > :44:12.Government allocated to that. We've got to buy ?2 million for the Draco

:44:13. > :44:18.bridge between South Derbyshire and Burton. All these pins point that

:44:19. > :44:22.are going to be sorted out. There were a lot of bandwidth.

:44:23. > :44:27.Our infrastructure has been a problem. So we're doing it down. All

:44:28. > :44:30.you can say is, fantastic new Prime Minister.

:44:31. > :44:32.What else would I need to say? There are details whichever alludes to

:44:33. > :44:36.that will make a big difference here in the East Midlands will. Also the

:44:37. > :44:39.funding to rebuild the assembly rooms in Derby, improving the broad

:44:40. > :44:45.Marsh area as you know which is long overdue. Even better road junctions

:44:46. > :44:51.around Loughborough. 20 needed to become it is going to be done out.

:44:52. > :44:53.As I said, it is welcome that almost seven years later the Government

:44:54. > :44:57.have remembered that the Midlands exist and have thrown some money at

:44:58. > :45:02.the problem. It pales into insignificance besides the sort of

:45:03. > :45:04.cuts that our local authorities, local transport authorities had to

:45:05. > :45:09.deal with. The matter what Heather says there is no certainty about

:45:10. > :45:15.electrification. About that, all the talk about making us HS2 ready. If

:45:16. > :45:18.we cannot run classic compatible services by having an electrified

:45:19. > :45:22.Midland Bay Mabel will not be able to reap the full benefits. At the

:45:23. > :45:25.same time as we're trying to prepare for jobs and growth we are facing

:45:26. > :45:30.all the uncertainty that Brexiters going to mean for our region.

:45:31. > :45:33.I just think that as usual, we only have negative things from Labour. We

:45:34. > :45:37.don't have anything about the positives. We're going to talk about

:45:38. > :45:42.education tribal leader for Ben. But there is so much about the way

:45:43. > :45:47.businesses have approached Government and said this bit here we

:45:48. > :45:51.need fixing. This bit here we need fixing and we have listened.

:45:52. > :45:56.Is this part of the post-Brexit plan? It is because it is about

:45:57. > :45:59.making us that the global Britain and be looking wider than our

:46:00. > :46:04.neighbours in Europe because that is what I think people demand a bus.

:46:05. > :46:08.And that is what we want to do. As this is vital to our incredibly

:46:09. > :46:13.worried about what the future will hold, particularly manufacturing

:46:14. > :46:15.businesses who want to be part of the customs union and were worried

:46:16. > :46:22.about being able to attract and became skilled staff. A huge amount

:46:23. > :46:26.of uncertainty and I think it is far from clear that the Government has

:46:27. > :46:29.properly addressed the answers. It hardly even got a mention in the

:46:30. > :46:33.Budget because the Government know that they are creating huge

:46:34. > :46:38.difficulties. There is an interesting feature.

:46:39. > :46:43.growth are India, China, the US, growth are India, China, the US,

:46:44. > :46:48.Africa, the Middle East. Note you countries. Is this how it is going

:46:49. > :46:52.to look in the future? It is the way we have to look. Look

:46:53. > :46:57.at the economy of Europe. It is shrinking so why on earth would you

:46:58. > :47:01.make companies insist that they grow their marketing Europe won't as a

:47:02. > :47:05.to look to the countries that are to look to the countries that are

:47:06. > :47:06.expanding. When you have got to Ghana and places like that with a

:47:07. > :47:11.GDP going up 6%, of course that's GDP going up 6%, of course that's

:47:12. > :47:15.where you want your businesses to talk about exporting to. The idea of

:47:16. > :47:20.us not been prepared to do free trade agreement around the world,

:47:21. > :47:26.the spoke deals, we are absolutely ready and up for it.

:47:27. > :47:30.Time to give up on the EU? Those are our nearest neighbours, they are our

:47:31. > :47:34.major trading partners. It would be crazy to think about giving up on

:47:35. > :47:37.companies in the east Midlands who companies in the east Midlands who

:47:38. > :47:42.rely on being able to export from the EU we know we need to get the

:47:43. > :47:46.closest possible ties, albeit that the Government have already thrown

:47:47. > :47:47.away without even the negotiations having started, membership of the

:47:48. > :47:49.having started, membership of the single market.

:47:50. > :47:52.If we are to boost our economy, improving the skills among

:47:53. > :47:55.The region has traditionally lagged behind much of the rest

:47:56. > :47:59.of the country when it comes to a skilled workforce and suffers

:48:00. > :48:01.Now the government's launching a new qualification.

:48:02. > :48:03."T levels " will concentrate on providing more vocational

:48:04. > :48:06.training for students to try to boost productivity

:48:07. > :48:16.Here's our political reporter, Wesley Mallin.

:48:17. > :48:22.Get any group of people together from the technical and engineering

:48:23. > :48:27.or construction industries and eventually the conversation will

:48:28. > :48:28.turn to the skills gap. Bridging that gap means starting with the

:48:29. > :48:33.younger generation and human Derby younger generation and human Derby

:48:34. > :48:36.the students are getting a hands-on introduction to construction at an

:48:37. > :48:41.event aimed at getting more women into the industry.

:48:42. > :48:47.You should do more days like this to encourage girls to get into

:48:48. > :48:51.construction. People do prefer women going into the house is bonanza I

:48:52. > :48:54.think it is helpful that I could be a construction worker.

:48:55. > :48:56.It really encouraged me as a female to go into the construction industry

:48:57. > :49:00.as it shows that the mouse can do it as much as males can do.

:49:01. > :49:04.Businesses say we need more people doing more vocational work back

:49:05. > :49:08.two-way across-the-board. The Government announced it was bringing

:49:09. > :49:13.in T levels alongside A-levels but with a greater concentration on

:49:14. > :49:19.teaching skills that lead directly into employment for subjects

:49:20. > :49:22.including business skills, digital T levels and construction.

:49:23. > :49:27.The new qualifications, think it puts digital skill sets that all

:49:28. > :49:32.forefront of educational attainment. forefront of educational attainment.

:49:33. > :49:37.And certainly other members have very much welcomed and the new fund

:49:38. > :49:40.that is clearly going to support that.

:49:41. > :49:42.There will be 15 subjects for students to choose from, replacing

:49:43. > :49:47.more than 13,000 courses at the moment. The amount of time spent

:49:48. > :49:50.training will go up by 50%. The technical group relaxed we be

:49:51. > :49:54.more fit for purpose and will enable young people to either going to work

:49:55. > :49:57.more ready, because they've had such a large amount of practical

:49:58. > :50:02.experience all take the pension route.

:50:03. > :50:05.Katie is an apprentice bricklayer who is enjoying combining studying

:50:06. > :50:10.with practical work. Last year I went on site and I

:50:11. > :50:15.wasn't confident at doing what I was doing. But now there is a spit and

:50:16. > :50:19.I'm learning and working. It is definitely boosting my confidence

:50:20. > :50:21.and it is good. The new qualifications, ?500 million

:50:22. > :50:25.of funding from the higher education of funding from the higher education

:50:26. > :50:29.sector. Critics say it has been hard-hit by cuts and more is needed

:50:30. > :50:32.to invest in facilities and prevent colleges from closing causes. The

:50:33. > :50:33.Government insists it is a radical overhaul that will boost

:50:34. > :50:39.overhaul that will boost the economy.

:50:40. > :50:44.Is this shake-up wise women know your Government is under attack from

:50:45. > :50:48.teachers who say they are struggling with a reduced curriculum and

:50:49. > :50:51.increased class sizes? That is an interesting take on

:50:52. > :50:56.something that is unbelievably positive and for the future for our

:50:57. > :51:01.children. We know that we needed to up skill are children. We know that

:51:02. > :51:06.in the East Midlands, historically, for years we are not done well

:51:07. > :51:11.enough by four children. Again, businesses have been crying out for

:51:12. > :51:12.us to do this. This has been done in partnership with local colleges and

:51:13. > :51:17.businesses in the training is just going to be absolutely excellent for

:51:18. > :51:18.them. Not just hands-on style but really high-tech, high technology

:51:19. > :51:24.stuff. We ought to look at what stuff. We ought to look at what

:51:25. > :51:30.Germany has been doing for years, you have a skill set that has high

:51:31. > :51:33.esteem in their communities. Why would we not want to do that as

:51:34. > :51:38.well? We lag behind some of our European

:51:39. > :51:41.neighbours. There is ?500 million of funding for this. That has got to be

:51:42. > :51:45.welcomed, hasn't it? It is welcome there is now an

:51:46. > :51:48.investment coming in technical education. You might ask why to take

:51:49. > :51:50.on the Government six and a half years to notice that this was

:51:51. > :51:57.something that needed to be done because actually, 16 - 18 education

:51:58. > :52:01.has been incredibly hard hit with cuts and whilst the 500 million is

:52:02. > :52:07.welcome, that might does even start coming through until 2018. But we

:52:08. > :52:15.have to seize on the wider context wishes our schools under funding,

:52:16. > :52:21.pressures as never before. Children are being pushed into a very

:52:22. > :52:25.academic curriculum there has been a terrible failure to get careers

:52:26. > :52:28.advice to those young people. If we wanted to be able to choose a

:52:29. > :52:34.technical education and to give that proper standards then we need to

:52:35. > :52:39.deal with the wider context as well. And that is what you were alluding

:52:40. > :52:43.to. It all links back to the Midlands engine and the need to

:52:44. > :52:47.improve skills in our region and the report which came out this week

:52:48. > :52:50.actually said that in these Midlands only 32% of the workforce have

:52:51. > :52:58.degrees. The national average is 37%. Education is clearly keen we

:52:59. > :53:00.are to our productivity. What I find really interesting is

:53:01. > :53:06.when you go round all of the schools, and we do this all the

:53:07. > :53:08.enterprise partnerships, how they enterprise partnerships, how they

:53:09. > :53:16.link in the businesses with education. We've got... I'm really

:53:17. > :53:22.lucky. I've got to good colleges and they're so good at what they channel

:53:23. > :53:25.the kids towards. Proper apprenticeships, really good quality

:53:26. > :53:29.training and then the apprentice ship that go all the way up through

:53:30. > :53:34.to doing degrees as an apprentice. That is Nirvana.

:53:35. > :53:39.You have concerns about underfunding and other areas in education. Do you

:53:40. > :53:44.think that this will help productivity, these are T levels?

:53:45. > :53:48.The emphasis on vocational training? All the emphasis is on young people

:53:49. > :53:53.and frankly we want to invest in the next generation but what we are in

:53:54. > :53:59.danger of missing is the huge skills gap for loss of the existing

:54:00. > :54:02.workforce. ?40 million to put in to look at how to address lifelong

:54:03. > :54:07.learning and that is so inadequate. We need to up skill all of our

:54:08. > :54:10.workforce. If we're going to face the challenges that we are going to

:54:11. > :54:13.happen as a result of leaving the European Union. So it is just too

:54:14. > :54:18.little too late. How would you do that with the money

:54:19. > :54:21.that is available and the bees also that are available?

:54:22. > :54:25.Some of that is about providing sufficient resources looking at the

:54:26. > :54:29.skills needs of the whole workforce. And providing opportunities for

:54:30. > :54:32.everybody to up so that they can meet what employers are demanding

:54:33. > :54:37.and they will have two. Employers are really worried about how they

:54:38. > :54:41.are going to recruit the workers of the future if they cannot access

:54:42. > :54:46.European union workers. I think that is absolutely spurious

:54:47. > :54:52.and a complete red herring. If you go around companies like Nestle, and

:54:53. > :54:56.the company in Hatton has grown from 200 pupils nearly 1000 people, they

:54:57. > :55:01.are taking apprentices at all ages. And that is wonderful that somebody

:55:02. > :55:05.coming in a 45 balls they, do you know what question of this is what I

:55:06. > :55:06.want to learn. And Nestle are prepared to invest in them.

:55:07. > :55:08.And Nestle are prepared to invest in them.

:55:09. > :55:11.Time now for a round up of some of the other political stories

:55:12. > :55:22.Commercial vehicles like buses, lorries and taxis with older diesel

:55:23. > :55:27.engines may be tried for entering Derby city centre. The Government

:55:28. > :55:30.has said Derby City Council has to cut emissions by 2020. The council

:55:31. > :55:36.cabinet will discuss plans for a clean air next week. Surgeons

:55:37. > :55:39.performing children's heart operations at Glenfield Hospital in

:55:40. > :55:43.Leicester have come up with a solution they hope could keep the

:55:44. > :55:47.unit open. Doctors want other hospitals to refer its patients to

:55:48. > :55:52.Glenn Field's congenital heart unit which has the lowest waiting list in

:55:53. > :55:56.the country. Not a Nottinghamshire could be in for an unexpected boost

:55:57. > :55:59.from the Budget. The Chancellor announced funding to promote the

:56:00. > :56:05.400th anniversary of the Pilgrim Fathers arriving in America. Some

:56:06. > :56:08.came from our region. Lillian Greenwood is spending how weekends

:56:09. > :56:13.with the region's emergency services. She's going out on the

:56:14. > :56:18.front line with 999 crews to understand first-hand the they face.

:56:19. > :56:28.How did you find it? How did you learn? One of the good

:56:29. > :56:32.things is that it was a relatively quiet couple of shifts which was not

:56:33. > :56:38.as exciting for me but I guess that was good for people in Nottingham

:56:39. > :56:40.but I guess I saw our staff are incredibly dedicated, they are well

:56:41. > :56:44.prepared to deal with the situation and they're dealing with change,

:56:45. > :56:47.which is doing a lot more preventative work, helping people

:56:48. > :56:54.with home safety checks, it is really useful.

:56:55. > :56:56.I would love to go out. Other local fire brigade are amazing, absolutely

:56:57. > :56:57.amazing. They might take you up on it.

:56:58. > :57:01.That's the Sunday Politics in the East Midlands,

:57:02. > :57:03.thanks to Lilian Greenwood and Heather Wheeler.

:57:04. > :57:04.Next week Amanda Solloway and Willy Bach will be here.

:57:05. > :57:19.Now the government plans for new grammar schools.

:57:20. > :57:21.The Education Secretary Justine Greening was

:57:22. > :57:23.speaking to a conference of headteachers on Friday.

:57:24. > :57:25.They're normally a pretty polite bunch, but they didn't

:57:26. > :57:32.Broadcasters weren't allowed into the speech,

:57:33. > :57:36.but this was captured on a camera phone.

:57:37. > :57:39.And we have to recognise actually for grammars, in terms of

:57:40. > :57:43.disadvantaged children, that they have, they really

:57:44. > :57:45.do help them close the attainment gap.

:57:46. > :57:48.And at the same time we should recognise that

:57:49. > :57:55...That parents also want choice for their children and that

:57:56. > :58:02.those schools are often very oversubscribed.

:58:03. > :58:11.I suppose it is a rite of passage for and education secretaries to

:58:12. > :58:16.have this at a head teachers conference book the head are usually

:58:17. > :58:19.more polite. Isn't part of the problem, whether one is for or

:58:20. > :58:26.against the expansion of grammar schools, the government plans are

:58:27. > :58:30.complicated, you cannot sum them up in a sentence. The proof of that is

:58:31. > :58:34.they can still get away with denying they are expanding grammar schools.

:58:35. > :58:37.They will find an alternative formulation because it is not as

:58:38. > :58:41.simple as a brute creation of what we used to know is grammar schools

:58:42. > :58:48.with the absolute cut-off of the 11 plus. I am surprised how easy they

:58:49. > :58:52.found it politically. We saw the clip of Justine Greening being

:58:53. > :58:56.jeered a little bit but in the grand scheme, compared to another

:58:57. > :59:00.government trying this idea a decade ago they have got away with it

:59:01. > :59:04.easily and I think what is happening is a perverse consequence of Brexit

:59:05. > :59:09.and the media attention on Brexit, the government of the day can just

:59:10. > :59:13.about get away with slightly more contentious domestic policies on the

:59:14. > :59:18.correct assumption we will be too busy investing our attention in

:59:19. > :59:22.Article 50 and two years of negotiations, WTO terms at

:59:23. > :59:27.everything we have been discussing. I wonder if after grammar schools

:59:28. > :59:30.there will be examples of contentious domestic policies

:59:31. > :59:39.Theresa May can slide in stock because Brexit sucks the life out,

:59:40. > :59:44.takes the attention away. You are a supporter. Broadly. Are you happy

:59:45. > :59:49.with the government approach? They need to have more gumption and stop

:59:50. > :59:53.being apologetic. It is a bazaar area of public policy where we judge

:59:54. > :59:58.the policy on grammar schools based on what it does for children whose

:59:59. > :00:03.parents are unemployed, living on sink estates in Liverpool. It is

:00:04. > :00:07.absurd, we don't judge any other policy like that. It is simple, not

:00:08. > :00:12.contentious, people who are not sure, ask them if they would apply

:00:13. > :00:18.to send their child there, six out of ten said they would. Parents want

:00:19. > :00:20.good schools for their children, we should have appropriate education

:00:21. > :00:24.and they should be straightforward, this is about the future of the

:00:25. > :00:28.economy and we need bright children to get education at the highest

:00:29. > :00:35.level, education for academically bright children. It is supposed to

:00:36. > :00:37.be a signature policy of the Theresa May administration that marks a

:00:38. > :00:42.government different from David Cameron's government who did not go

:00:43. > :00:46.down this road. The signature is pretty blurred, it is hard to read.

:00:47. > :00:54.It is. She is trying to address concerns about those who fail to get

:00:55. > :00:57.into these selective schools and tried to targeted in poorer areas

:00:58. > :01:01.and the rest of it. She will probably come across so many

:01:02. > :01:05.obstacles. It is not clear what form it will take in the end. It is

:01:06. > :01:08.really an example of a signature policy not fully thought through. I

:01:09. > :01:12.think it was one of her first announcements. It was. It surprised

:01:13. > :01:17.everybody. Surprised at the speed and pace at which they were planning

:01:18. > :01:22.to go. Ever since, there have been qualifications and hesitations en

:01:23. > :01:26.route with good cause, in my view. I disagree with Juliet that this is...

:01:27. > :01:29.We all want good schools but if you don't get in there and you end up in

:01:30. > :01:33.a less good school. They already do that. We have selection based on the

:01:34. > :01:37.income of parents getting into a good catchment area, based on the

:01:38. > :01:44.faith of the parents. That becomes very attainable! I might been too

:01:45. > :01:46.shot run christenings for these. -- I have been.

:01:47. > :01:48.Now, you may remember this time last week we were talking

:01:49. > :01:51.about the extraordinary claims by US President Donald Trump,

:01:52. > :01:53.on Twitter of course, that Barack Obama had ordered

:01:54. > :01:56.And there was me thinking that wiretaps went out

:01:57. > :02:01.Is it legal for a sitting President to do so, he asked,

:02:02. > :02:10.concluding it was a "new low", and later comparing it to Watergate.

:02:11. > :02:14.Since then, the White House has been pressed to provide evidence for this

:02:15. > :02:20.It hasn't, but it seems it may have initially come from a report on a US

:02:21. > :02:22.website by the former Conservative MP Louise Mensch.

:02:23. > :02:25.She wrote that the FBI had been granted a warrant to intercept

:02:26. > :02:33.communications between Trump's campaign and Russia.

:02:34. > :02:41.Well, Louise Mensch joins us now from New York.

:02:42. > :02:48.Louise, you claimed in early November that the FBI had secured a

:02:49. > :02:52.court warrants to monitor communications between trump Tower

:02:53. > :02:56.in New York at two Russian banks. It's now four months later. Isn't it

:02:57. > :03:01.the case that nobody has proved the existence of this warrant?

:03:02. > :03:07.First of all, forgive me Andrew, one takes 1's life in one's hand when it

:03:08. > :03:11.is you but I have to correct your characterisation of my reporting. It

:03:12. > :03:15.is very important. I did not report that the FBI had a warrant to

:03:16. > :03:20.intercept anything or that Trump tower was any part of it. What I

:03:21. > :03:24.reported was that the FBI obtained a warrant is targeted on all

:03:25. > :03:28.communications between two Russian banks and were, therefore, allowed

:03:29. > :03:34.to examine US persons in the context of their investigation. What the

:03:35. > :03:40.Americans call legally incidental collection. I certainly didn't

:03:41. > :03:43.report that the warrant was able to intercept or that it had location

:03:44. > :03:49.basis, for example Trump tower. I just didn't report that. The reason

:03:50. > :03:54.that matters so much is that I now believe based on the President's

:03:55. > :03:58.reaction, there may well be a wiretap act Trump Tower. If so,

:03:59. > :04:01.Donald Trump has just tweeted out evidence in an ongoing criminal case

:04:02. > :04:05.that neither I nor anybody else reported. He is right about

:04:06. > :04:09.Watergate because he will have committed obstruction of justice

:04:10. > :04:13.directly from his Twitter account. Let me come back as thank you for

:04:14. > :04:20.clarifying. Let me come back to the question. -- and thank you. We have

:04:21. > :04:25.not yet got proof that this warrant exists, do we? No and we are most

:04:26. > :04:29.unlikely to get it because it would be a heinous crime for Donald Trump

:04:30. > :04:33.to reveal its existence. In America they call it a Glomar response. I

:04:34. > :04:36.can neither confirm nor deny. That is what all American officials will

:04:37. > :04:41.have to say legally. If you are looking for proof, you won't get it

:04:42. > :04:46.until and unless a court cases brought. But that doesn't mean it

:04:47. > :04:49.doesn't exist. The BBC validated this two months after me in their

:04:50. > :04:54.reporting by the journalist Paul Wood. The Guardian, they also

:04:55. > :04:58.separately from their own sources validated the existence of the

:04:59. > :05:01.warrant. If you are in America, you would know that CNN and others are

:05:02. > :05:05.reporting that the investigation in ongoing. Let me come onto the wider

:05:06. > :05:10.point. You believe the Trump campaign including the president

:05:11. > :05:14.were complicit with the Russians during the 2016 election campaign to

:05:15. > :05:15.such an extent that Mr Trump should be impeached. What evidence did you

:05:16. > :05:25.have? That is an enormous amount of

:05:26. > :05:28.evidence. You could start with him saying, hey, Russia, if you are

:05:29. > :05:33.listening, please release all the Hillary Clinton's e-mails. That's

:05:34. > :05:36.not evidence. I think it rather is, actually. Especially if you look at

:05:37. > :05:40.some of the evidence that exists on Twitter and elsewhere of people

:05:41. > :05:44.talking directly to his social media manager, Dan should be no and

:05:45. > :05:49.telling him to do that before it happened. There is a bit out there.

:05:50. > :05:54.The BBC itself reported that in April of last year, a six agency

:05:55. > :05:57.task force, not just the FBI, but the Treasury Department, was looking

:05:58. > :06:01.at this. I believe there is an enormous amount of evidence. And

:06:02. > :06:03.then there is the steel dossier which was included in an official

:06:04. > :06:12.report of the US intelligence committee. You've also ... Just to

:06:13. > :06:16.be clear, we don't have hard evidence yet whether this warrant

:06:17. > :06:19.exists. It may or may not. There is doubt about... There are claims

:06:20. > :06:23.about whether there is evidence about Mr Trump and the Russians.

:06:24. > :06:29.That is another matter. You claimed that President Putin had Andrew

:06:30. > :06:35.Breitbart murdered to pave the way for Steve Bannon to play a key role

:06:36. > :06:40.in the Trump administration. I haven't. You said that Steve Bannon

:06:41. > :06:44.is behind bomb threats to Jewish community centres. Aren't you in

:06:45. > :06:48.danger of just peddling wild conspiracy theories? No. Festival, I

:06:49. > :06:53.haven't. No matter how many times people say this, it's not going to

:06:54. > :06:56.be true -- first of all. I said in twitter I believe that to be the

:06:57. > :07:03.case about the murder of Andrew Breitbart. You believe President

:07:04. > :07:07.Putin murdered him. I didn't! You said I reported it, but I believed

:07:08. > :07:12.it. You put it on twitter that you believed it but you don't have a

:07:13. > :07:17.shred of evidence. I do. Indeed, I know made assertions. What is the

:07:18. > :07:23.evidence that Mr Putin murdered Andrew Breitbart? I said I believe

:07:24. > :07:26.it. You may believe there are fairies at the bottom of your

:07:27. > :07:31.garden, it doesn't make it true. I may indeed. And if I say so, that's

:07:32. > :07:39.my belief. If I say I am reporting, as I did with the Fisa warrant

:07:40. > :07:45.exists, I have a basis in fact. They believe is just a belief. I know you

:07:46. > :07:52.are relatively new to journalism. Let me get the rules right. Andrew,

:07:53. > :07:55.jealousy is not your colour... If it is twitter, we don't believe it but

:07:56. > :08:00.if it is on your website, we should believe it? If I report something

:08:01. > :08:04.and I say this happened, then I am making an assertion. If I describe a

:08:05. > :08:10.belief, I am describing a belief. Subtlety may be a little difficult

:08:11. > :08:17.for you... No, no. If you want to be a journalist, beliefs have to be

:08:18. > :08:21.backed up with evidence. Really? Do you have a faith? It's not a matter

:08:22. > :08:26.of faith, maybe in your case, that President Putin murdered Andrew

:08:27. > :08:30.Breitbart. A belief and a report at two different things and no matter

:08:31. > :08:35.how often you say that they are the same, they will never be the same.

:08:36. > :08:42.You've said in today's Sunday Times here in London that you've turned

:08:43. > :08:48.into" a temporary superpower" where you "See things really clearly".

:08:49. > :08:54.Have you become delusional? No. I am describing a biological basis for

:08:55. > :08:57.ADHD, which I have. As any of your viewers who are doctors will know.

:08:58. > :09:01.It provides people with unfortunately a lot of scattered

:09:02. > :09:03.focus, they are very messy and absent-minded but when they are

:09:04. > :09:08.interested in things and they have ADHD they can have a condition which

:09:09. > :09:11.is hyper focus. You concentrate very hard on a given subject and you can

:09:12. > :09:18.see patterns and connections. That is biological. Thank you for

:09:19. > :09:23.explaining that. And for getting up early in New York. The first time

:09:24. > :09:27.ever I have interviewed a temporary superpower. Thank you. You are so

:09:28. > :09:31.lucky! You are so lucky! I don't think it's going to happen again.

:09:32. > :09:35.Please don't ask us to comment on that interview! I will not ask you,

:09:36. > :09:39.viewers will make up their own minds. Let's come back to be more

:09:40. > :09:43.mundane world of Article 50. Stop the killing!

:09:44. > :09:49.Will it get through at the government wanted it? Without the

:09:50. > :09:52.Lords amendment falling by the way that? I am sure the Lord will not

:09:53. > :09:56.try to ping-pong this back and forth. So we are at the end of this

:09:57. > :10:00.particular legislative phase. The fact that all three Brexit Cabinet

:10:01. > :10:03.ministers, number ten often don't like one of them going out on a

:10:04. > :10:07.broadcast interview on a Sunday, they've all been out and about. That

:10:08. > :10:12.suggests to me they are working on the assumption it will be triggered

:10:13. > :10:16.this week. This week. The negotiations will begin or at least

:10:17. > :10:19.the process begins. The negotiation process may be difficult, given all

:10:20. > :10:25.of the European elections. The Dutch this week. And then the French and

:10:26. > :10:28.maybe the Italians and certainly the Germans by the end of September,

:10:29. > :10:34.which is less predictable than it was. Given all that, what did you

:10:35. > :10:38.make of Anna Soubry's claim, Viacom on her part, that we may just end up

:10:39. > :10:44.crashing out in six months question -- fear on her part. It was not just

:10:45. > :10:46.that that we made that deliberately organising. I want us to get on with

:10:47. > :10:54.the deals. Everyone knows a good deal is the

:10:55. > :10:58.best option. Who knows what is going to be on the table when we finally

:10:59. > :11:03.go out? Fascinatingly, the demand for some money back, given the

:11:04. > :11:07.amount of money... Net gains and net costs in terms of us leaving for the

:11:08. > :11:14.EU. It is all to play for. That will be a possible early grounds for a

:11:15. > :11:19.confrontation between the UK and the EU. My understanding is that they

:11:20. > :11:23.expect to do a deal on reciprocal rights of EU nationals, EU nationals

:11:24. > :11:27.here, UK citizens there, quite quickly. They want to clear that up

:11:28. > :11:31.and that will be done. Then they will hit this problem that the EU

:11:32. > :11:36.will be saying you've got to agree the divorce Bill first before we

:11:37. > :11:39.talk about the free trade bill. David Davis saying quite clearly,

:11:40. > :11:44.no, they go together because of the size of the bill. It will be

:11:45. > :11:48.determined, in our part, by how good the access will be. The mutual

:11:49. > :11:52.recognition of EU residents' rights is no trouble. A huge amount of fuss

:11:53. > :11:56.is attracted to that subject but it is the easiest thing to deal with,

:11:57. > :11:59.as is free movement for tourists. Money is what will make it

:12:00. > :12:02.incredibly acrimonious. Incredibly quickly. I imagine the dominant

:12:03. > :12:06.story in the summer will be all about that. This was Anna Soubry's

:12:07. > :12:10.implication, members of the governors could strongly argue,

:12:11. > :12:13.things are so poisonous and so unpleasant at the moment, the

:12:14. > :12:18.dealers are advancing -- members of the government. Why not call it a

:12:19. > :12:22.day and go out on WTO terms while public opinion is still in that

:12:23. > :12:25.direction in that Eurosceptic direction? No buyers' remorse about

:12:26. > :12:30.last year's referendum. The longer they leave it, view more opportunity

:12:31. > :12:34.there is for some kind of public resistance and change of mind to

:12:35. > :12:38.take place. The longer believe it, the more people who voted for Brexit

:12:39. > :12:42.and people who voted Remain and think we didn't get world War three

:12:43. > :12:45.will start being quite angry with the EU for not agreeing a deal. In

:12:46. > :12:52.terms of the rights of EU nationals he and Brits abroad, by all

:12:53. > :12:55.accounts, 26 of the 27 have agreed individually. Angela Merkel is the

:12:56. > :12:59.only person who has held that up. That will be dealt with in a matter

:13:00. > :13:05.of days. The chances of a deal being done is likely but in ten seconds...

:13:06. > :13:08.It would not be a bad bet to protect your on something not happening, you

:13:09. > :13:13.might get pretty good odds? The odds are going up that a deal doesn't

:13:14. > :13:18.happen. But, as I said earlier, the House of Commons will not endorse no

:13:19. > :13:23.deal. We are either in an early election or she has to go back

:13:24. > :13:28.again. Either way, you will need us! We will be back at noon tomorrow on

:13:29. > :13:31.BBC Two ahead of what looks like being a big week in politics. We

:13:32. > :13:34.will be back here same time, same place.

:13:35. > :13:38.Remember, if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics.