:00:35. > :00:38.It's Sunday afternoon - this is the Sunday Politics.
:00:39. > :00:40.Jeremy Corbyn wants to give everyone in Britain four
:00:41. > :00:43.extra bank holidays - but is the Labour leader up
:00:44. > :00:46.to being Prime Minister if he wins the election in just
:00:47. > :00:52.Theresa May says she wants a stronger hand to deliver Brexit -
:00:53. > :00:54.how will the Conservatives go about getting the bigger
:00:55. > :01:01.I'll be asking Party Chairman, Patrick McLoughlin.
:01:02. > :01:05.And I've been in Paris where voters are going to the polls in first
:01:06. > :01:08.round of the French Presidential election - what could be the impact
:01:09. > :01:12.In the East Midlands, unpredictable of contests?
:01:13. > :01:15.the General Election marathon's underway.
:01:16. > :01:18.Where are the key battlegrounds? And is it really a Brexit election,
:01:19. > :01:22.or do voters have other issues on their minds?
:01:23. > :01:24.Or feel they may not like it but the Tories
:01:25. > :01:39.And with me has always ready for the marathon task of covering a snap
:01:40. > :01:42.general election, even working on bank holidays, the best and
:01:43. > :01:43.brightest political panel in the business. David Wooding, Polly
:01:44. > :01:47.Toynbee and Toby Young. So Labour's big announcement this
:01:48. > :01:49.morning was a crowd pleaser. Four more rainy bank
:01:50. > :01:51.holidays to enjoy - one for each of the patron saints
:01:52. > :01:54.of England, Scotland, But Mr Corbyn probably won't be
:01:55. > :02:00.getting the time off work if he wins And on The Andrew Marr Show this
:02:01. > :02:04.morning he was asked what he would do as Prime Minister
:02:05. > :02:07.if the security services asked him to authorise a drone strike
:02:08. > :02:10.on the leader of Islamic State. What I'd tell them is,
:02:11. > :02:14.give me the information you've got, tell me how accurate that is,
:02:15. > :02:16.tell me what you I'm asking you about decisions you
:02:17. > :02:26.would take as Prime Minister. Can I take you back
:02:27. > :02:28.to the whole point? Is the objective
:02:29. > :02:32.to start more strikes that may kill many innocent
:02:33. > :02:34.people, as has happened? Do you think killing
:02:35. > :02:36.the leader of Isis would be I think the leader of Isis not
:02:37. > :02:45.being around would be helpful, and I'm no supporter or defender
:02:46. > :02:47.in any way of Isis. But I would also argue that
:02:48. > :02:51.the bombing campaign has killed a of whom were virtually prisoners of
:02:52. > :02:54.Isis. So you've got to think
:02:55. > :03:01.about these things. Mr Corbyn earlier. David, is his
:03:02. > :03:06.reply refreshing damaging? It is damaging. He has clearly been
:03:07. > :03:10.freaked to the fire already in the first week, there will be lots of
:03:11. > :03:13.questions on his suitability as a leader and the damage it could cause
:03:14. > :03:17.to our national security over the weeks ahead and Andrew Marr has cut
:03:18. > :03:21.straight to the chase here. The other thing, of course, is the
:03:22. > :03:24.letters of last resort, one of the first duties of a Prime Minister
:03:25. > :03:30.when he walks into No 10 is to sign these letters on his own, on or --
:03:31. > :03:33.or on her own in a room, a very lonely moment, to decide whether he
:03:34. > :03:37.should press the nuclear button and that goes in the Vanguard submarines
:03:38. > :03:41.and is opened in the event of a strike and he has dodged a question
:03:42. > :03:45.so many times. One must wonder what he would do that. He has to make
:03:46. > :03:50.these decisions as Prime Minister. On the Isis point, refreshing or
:03:51. > :03:55.damaging? It sure is his base, the people who support him, that's the
:03:56. > :03:58.sort of thing they support info and maybe his tactic is that's all he's
:03:59. > :04:01.going to get, that is what the polls seem to suggest, in which case they
:04:02. > :04:05.will be pleased, and say yes, the man is a man for these who doesn't
:04:06. > :04:11.press buttons and shoot people down. But if you want to win you have to
:04:12. > :04:15.deal with your own weaknesses and reach out to other people. I think
:04:16. > :04:21.most people would say that's not somebody who could defend the
:04:22. > :04:24.country. I wonder if he was being totally honest in saying he would
:04:25. > :04:29.consider it he would ask for more information. He has previously been
:04:30. > :04:32.on the record as being against drone strikes in principle, he's
:04:33. > :04:36.campaigned against them, he wants to abolish drones. I think Andrew Marr
:04:37. > :04:40.let him off saying it was a drone strike rather than a Navy SEAL or
:04:41. > :04:43.SAS operation and he had the fact that they could be collateral
:04:44. > :04:49.damage. We that's not his position because he condemned the
:04:50. > :04:52.assassination of Osama Bin Laden even though there was no collateral
:04:53. > :04:55.damage. David is right on the Trident point, he fetched the
:04:56. > :05:01.question. We heard Niall Griffiths on this very show saying Trident,
:05:02. > :05:05.the renewal of Trident, would be in the next Labour Party manifesto. It
:05:06. > :05:08.turns out now we don't know and when he was asked he said that remains to
:05:09. > :05:12.be seen, his re-opened a can of worms. What he has said about
:05:13. > :05:16.Trident which was extraordinary was, we will rebuild the submarines but
:05:17. > :05:20.not have any nukes on them which is expensive and useless. And of course
:05:21. > :05:23.the Labour Party were forced soon after that interview to put out a
:05:24. > :05:29.statement saying it is Labour Party policy to renew Trident. So where
:05:30. > :05:33.are we? Do we know what the party's policy is? It is to renew Trident
:05:34. > :05:39.but he has started this review which involves looking at it all again. We
:05:40. > :05:43.know he is a unilateralist to start with but whether he can force this
:05:44. > :05:48.through is dubious. Does it matter, though, if the party policy is in
:05:49. > :05:52.favour of Trident, if the leader is not? The potential Prime Minister is
:05:53. > :05:55.not? They split three ways when they went to vote on it in the Commons.
:05:56. > :05:59.The party agreed they were pro-Trident and when it came to the
:06:00. > :06:04.vote they split three ways. I think it's difficult for them, it's always
:06:05. > :06:08.been a really difficult issue for Labour. The question is whether you
:06:09. > :06:12.want to seal off your negatives, whether you really want to try and
:06:13. > :06:15.reach out to people. There are an awful lot of people who will like
:06:16. > :06:20.what he said, there are an awful lot of people that think we have been
:06:21. > :06:23.involved in terrible wars, we have wasted a lot of money and blood and
:06:24. > :06:28.let's just get back from the whole thing, let's retreat from the world
:06:29. > :06:31.and not try punching above our weight. There is something to be
:06:32. > :06:36.said for that and it is a reasonable argument. He's been true to himself
:06:37. > :06:40.on this. I think he is and Polly is right, lots of people will agree
:06:41. > :06:44.with him, not enough to win a general election, the latest ComRes
:06:45. > :06:47.poll shows Tories on 50% and Labour on 25 and as my colleague James
:06:48. > :06:51.Forsyth in the Spectator said if this was a boxing match it would
:06:52. > :06:52.have been stopped by now by the revelry. We are not stopping, we are
:06:53. > :06:53.going on. So the political parties have had
:06:54. > :06:56.to move into election mode Stand by for battle buses,
:06:57. > :07:00.mail shots and your social media timeline being bombarded
:07:01. > :07:01.by political propoganda. But none of this comes cheap -
:07:02. > :07:07.Adam's been doing his sums. Democracy is priceless but those
:07:08. > :07:12.planes, trains and automobiles used in the last election cost money
:07:13. > :07:14.and we know exactly how much, thanks to the Electoral
:07:15. > :07:20.Commission database. The Conservatives flew David Cameron
:07:21. > :07:24.to every part of the UK in one day on a private plane costing ?29,000,
:07:25. > :07:30.in-flight meals extra. They shelled out ?1.2 million
:07:31. > :07:35.for adverts on Facebook. The most expensive item was their
:07:36. > :07:40.election guru Lynton Crosby. They bought ?2.4 million worth
:07:41. > :07:42.of advice and research from his firm Labour's biggest expenditure
:07:43. > :07:49.was on good old-fashioned leaflets, costing ?7.4 million
:07:50. > :07:52.to print and deliver. Hope they didn't go straight
:07:53. > :07:57.into the recycling. Cheap for all the
:07:58. > :08:06.enjoyment it gave us. To turn a normal minibus
:08:07. > :08:09.into Harriet Harman's pink bus Nick Clegg toured the country doing
:08:10. > :08:15.all manner of stunts transported although the party got a grand's
:08:16. > :08:28.discount when it broke down. Ukip's then leader Nigel Farage
:08:29. > :08:30.was accompanied by bodyguards Nicola Sturgeon's chopper
:08:31. > :08:39.cost the SNP ?35,450. Plaid Cymru spent just over
:08:40. > :08:42.?1,000 on media training And the Greens spent ?6,912
:08:43. > :08:57.promoting their tweets. It adds up to a grand total
:08:58. > :09:00.for all the parties of ?37,560,039. Jabbing at my calculator that works
:09:01. > :09:07.out at less than ?1 per voter. Adam Fleming there -
:09:08. > :09:12.and joining me now is the man responsible for the Conservative
:09:13. > :09:16.election campaigns - for the locals next month
:09:17. > :09:24.and the general election in June - Welcome to the programme. The Crown
:09:25. > :09:27.Prosecution Service is reviewing evidence from 14 police forces that
:09:28. > :09:32.your party breached election spending rules on multiple occasions
:09:33. > :09:38.in the last election. What are you going to do differently this time?
:09:39. > :09:43.Well, the battle buses are part of the National campaign spend. You saw
:09:44. > :09:47.them just on the shot that you did, all three parties had those battle
:09:48. > :09:50.buses so that's why we believe they were part of the national spend and
:09:51. > :09:54.it was declared that way. At least 30 people in your party, MPs and
:09:55. > :09:58.agents, being investigated because they may not have been right to
:09:59. > :10:01.include it in the national spend. Are you saying you are going to do
:10:02. > :10:09.nothing differently this time? You asked me about last time and the way
:10:10. > :10:13.the position is... Was. I asked you about this time. We will take a
:10:14. > :10:19.careful count and make sure that everything that we do is within the
:10:20. > :10:22.law. But as I say, the last election, all three parties had
:10:23. > :10:27.battle buses. It is your party that above all has been investigated by
:10:28. > :10:33.14 police forces. You must surely be taking stock of that and working out
:10:34. > :10:36.how to do some things differently. You are being investigated because
:10:37. > :10:41.you put stuff on the National Ledger which should have been on the local
:10:42. > :10:44.constituency ledger. Are you looking at that again? All of the parties
:10:45. > :10:47.had battle buses and they all put them on their national spend. I
:10:48. > :10:53.don't think any of the parties put them on the local spend. The other
:10:54. > :10:56.battle buses were not full of their party activists. Your party stuffed
:10:57. > :11:02.these battle buses with activists and took them to constituencies.
:11:03. > :11:06.That's the difference. And I ask again, what is different this time?
:11:07. > :11:10.Are you going to run the risk of being investigated yet again? We
:11:11. > :11:15.believe that we fully compliant with the electoral law as it was. What
:11:16. > :11:19.will happen if one of these, or two or three or four or five of these 30
:11:20. > :11:26.people, Tory MPs, or agents running campaigns are charged during the
:11:27. > :11:29.campaign? As I say I believe we properly declared our election
:11:30. > :11:32.expenses. What happens if they are charged? You asking me a
:11:33. > :11:36.hypothetical question, the importance of this election is about
:11:37. > :11:40.who is in Downing Street in seven weeks' time. Let me clarify this,
:11:41. > :11:44.you maintain that in 2015 you did nothing wrong with how you allocated
:11:45. > :11:47.the cost and the activities of the battle buses and you would do
:11:48. > :11:52.exactly the same this time round? What we did at the last election we
:11:53. > :11:57.believe fully complied with the law. So the battle buses this time,
:11:58. > :12:00.stocked full of activists, will still be charged to the national
:12:01. > :12:08.campaign even when they go to local constituencies? Will they? We will
:12:09. > :12:13.be looking at the way we do it, there is new guidance from the
:12:14. > :12:17.Electoral Commission out and we will look at that guidance. It is not the
:12:18. > :12:21.guidance, it is the lawful stop the Electoral Commission said that, if
:12:22. > :12:24.you look at the report they did on us, they said there was one area
:12:25. > :12:28.where we had over claimed, over declared, and another area we had
:12:29. > :12:31.and declared. We haven't worked out what to do
:12:32. > :12:34.yet, have you? We will get on with the campaign and
:12:35. > :12:37.start the campaign and I'm looking forward to the campaign.
:12:38. > :12:40.I'm trying to work out of the campaign is going to be legal or not
:12:41. > :12:44.because last time it seems it could have been illegal.
:12:45. > :12:46.I am sure the campaign will be legal.
:12:47. > :12:51.You started the campaign warning about the prospect of, the coalition
:12:52. > :12:59.of chaos. Mr Corbyn has ruled out a post-election coalition with the SNP
:13:00. > :13:01.and so have the Lib Dems so who is going to be in this coalition?
:13:02. > :13:03.Vince Cable said he was looking towards a possible coalition trying
:13:04. > :13:06.to stop a Conservative government. Is not the leader of the Lib Dems.
:13:07. > :13:13.He's an important voice in the Lib Dems. Who will be in it? Let's see
:13:14. > :13:16.because of the Conservative Party is not re-elected with a strong
:13:17. > :13:19.majority, what will happen? There will be a coalition stopping us
:13:20. > :13:24.doing the things we need to do. Who will be in it? It will be a
:13:25. > :13:27.coalition of the Labour Party, the SNP and the Liberal party. They have
:13:28. > :13:31.ruled it out. I think they would not rule it out if that was the
:13:32. > :13:35.situation. Like Theresa May not ruling out an election and then
:13:36. > :13:39.changing her mind? The things the Prime Minister said were very clear,
:13:40. > :13:42.once she had served Article 50 there was an opportunity, as we know
:13:43. > :13:47.today, there is going to be the start of a new government formed in
:13:48. > :13:50.France and in September we have the German elections. So it was quite
:13:51. > :13:56.right that we didn't get ourselves boxed into a timetable. That is why
:13:57. > :13:59.the Prime Minister took the view that they should be a general
:14:00. > :14:03.election to give her full strength of an electoral mandate when it
:14:04. > :14:10.comes to those negotiations. What about Mr Corbyn's plan for four new
:14:11. > :14:13.bank holidays, good idea? I'm not... If we get Corbyn in No 10 Downing St
:14:14. > :14:18.we will have a permanent bank holiday of the United Kingdom. We
:14:19. > :14:24.will have fewer bank holidays of most other major nations, most about
:14:25. > :14:28.major wealthy nations. What about at least one more? Well, look, he's
:14:29. > :14:33.talked about four bank holidays. Today would be a bank holiday and
:14:34. > :14:37.next Monday would be a bank holiday and the other week was a bank
:14:38. > :14:41.holiday too. I don't think it's very well thought out. It sounded more to
:14:42. > :14:44.me something like you get in school mock elections rather than proper
:14:45. > :14:48.elections. Your party is the self-styled party of the workers and
:14:49. > :14:52.you have no plans to give the workers even one extra bank holiday?
:14:53. > :14:57.What we want to do is ensure Britain is a strong economy and building on
:14:58. > :15:01.the jobs that we have created since 2010. We were told that by reducing
:15:02. > :15:06.public expenditure unemployment in this country would go up,
:15:07. > :15:11.unemployment has gone down and the number of jobs have gone up
:15:12. > :15:14.substantially. But no more bank holidays? Well, we will make our
:15:15. > :15:18.manifesto in due course but I don't think four bank holidays held in
:15:19. > :15:24.April, March and November are very attractive to people. When Ed
:15:25. > :15:33.Miliband as leader of the Labour Party suggested the government
:15:34. > :15:36.should control energy prices by capping them, the Conservatives
:15:37. > :15:40.described that as almost Communist and central planning. Do still take
:15:41. > :15:45.that view? You'll see what we have to say on energy prices. I didn't
:15:46. > :15:49.you about that, I asked you if you take the view... The Prime Minister
:15:50. > :15:52.made a speech at the Conservative Spring conference in which she
:15:53. > :15:55.outlined her dissatisfaction about people who are kept locked on a
:15:56. > :15:57.standard tariff and those are the issues we will address in the next
:15:58. > :16:03.few weeks when the manifesto was published.
:16:04. > :16:09.Would that be an act of communism? You will need to see what we say
:16:10. > :16:15.when we set out the policies. It could be. You could put a Communist
:16:16. > :16:20.act into your manifesto? I don't think you'll find a Communist
:16:21. > :16:23.manifesto in a Conservative manifesto which will be launched...
:16:24. > :16:28.You are planning to control prices? We will address what we think is
:16:29. > :16:32.unfairness in the energy market. Mr Jeremy Corbyn was reluctant this
:16:33. > :16:38.morning to sanction a drone strike. You heard us talking about it
:16:39. > :16:41.earlier against the leader of Islamic State if our intelligence
:16:42. > :16:46.services identified him. What would it achieve? When the Prime Minister
:16:47. > :16:51.gets certain advice in the national interests, she has to act been that.
:16:52. > :16:54.We've seen with Theresa May in her time as Home Secretary and Prime
:16:55. > :16:58.Minister, she's not afraid to take those very difficult decisions. What
:16:59. > :17:02.we say this morning from Jeremy Corbyn was a his tans, a reluctance.
:17:03. > :17:09.I don't think that serves the country well. What would it achieve
:17:10. > :17:13.if we take out the head of Islamic State he's replaced by somebody
:17:14. > :17:19.else. It brings their organisation into difficulties. It undermines
:17:20. > :17:23.their organisation. It shows we'll take every measure to undo an
:17:24. > :17:26.organisation which has organised terrorism in different parts of
:17:27. > :17:29.Europe, the UK. I think it is absolutely right the Prime Minister
:17:30. > :17:34.is prepared to take those kind of measures. Jeremy Corbyn said he
:17:35. > :17:39.wasn't prepared to take that. Because he wasn't sure what it would
:17:40. > :17:44.achieve. The Obama administration launched hundreds of drone strikes
:17:45. > :17:50.in various war zones and we in the west are still under attack on a
:17:51. > :17:55.regular basis. Mr Corbyn's basis was what would it achieve? It would
:17:56. > :18:00.achieve a safer position for the UK overall. The war on terrorists. But
:18:01. > :18:05.the Westminster attack, Paris has just been attacked again? There's
:18:06. > :18:09.been attacks which have been stopped by the intelligence services. We
:18:10. > :18:13.must do all we can to support them. The question was about drone
:18:14. > :18:18.strikes. Whether it is drone strikes or other action, we have to be
:18:19. > :18:22.prepared to act. Let's move on to Brexit. It is the major reason the
:18:23. > :18:26.Prime Minister's called the election? Not the only within but
:18:27. > :18:30.the main reason? It is one of the reasons. Now we start the two-year
:18:31. > :18:35.negotiations and then a year afterwards. Also the way in which
:18:36. > :18:38.certain people said they would try to use in the House of Lords or
:18:39. > :18:45.House of Commons to prevent us making progress. I think you'll put
:18:46. > :18:51.in your manifesto, it is the Government's policy, the Brexit
:18:52. > :18:58.negotiating position will be no more freedom of movement. Leave the
:18:59. > :19:01.single market and no longer under the jurisdiction Europe. You expect
:19:02. > :19:07.every Tory MP to fight on that manifesto. What will you do with Ken
:19:08. > :19:11.Clarke and Anna? They will have fought on their manifesto. They will
:19:12. > :19:14.understand the Prime Minister has the authority of the ballot box
:19:15. > :19:20.behind them. Will they fight the election on these positions? I'm
:19:21. > :19:24.sure they'll fight the election supporting the election of a
:19:25. > :19:28.Conservative Government and it's manifesto will quite clearly set
:19:29. > :19:33.out... You know they're against these positions. Ken Clarke has a
:19:34. > :19:37.prod tradition of expressing a certain view. Overall, the party's
:19:38. > :19:41.manifesto, it is not just individuals like Ken Clarke, it is
:19:42. > :19:45.what happens as far as the House of Lords are concerned, people said
:19:46. > :19:49.they'd use the House of Lords to prevent certain measures. You're the
:19:50. > :19:54.party chairman, will it be possible for people like Ken Clarke to fight
:19:55. > :20:00.this election under the Conservative ticket without sub describing to all
:20:01. > :20:05.-- subscribing to all of these Brexit conditions? Ken Clarke will
:20:06. > :20:10.fight as Conservative candidates. That wasn't my question. I know
:20:11. > :20:13.that. Will they be allowed to fight it on their own ticket and not
:20:14. > :20:18.subscribe to what is in your manifesto? The manifesto will be
:20:19. > :20:22.what the Conservative Party fights the General Election on. There will
:20:23. > :20:28.always be cases where people have had different views on different
:20:29. > :20:34.parts of the manifesto. That will be the guiding principles for the
:20:35. > :20:39.party. Philip Hammond says your election promises in 2015, in your
:20:40. > :20:43.manifesto not to raise taxes tied his hands when it came to managing
:20:44. > :20:48.the economy. Do you agree with him? No. The simple fact is we have to do
:20:49. > :20:52.the best things for the economy. We'll set out in our manifesto in a
:20:53. > :20:57.few weeks' time, what the policies will be for the next Parliament. Can
:20:58. > :21:03.I clarify, you don't agree with your Chancellor? What Philip was saying
:21:04. > :21:08.was some of the areas we wants to address as Chancellor, what the
:21:09. > :21:11.party will do, it will set out all the issues we're fighting on. It
:21:12. > :21:15.will set out clearly the choice we have in this country. That's the
:21:16. > :21:19.important thing. Let me put the question to you again. Philip
:21:20. > :21:23.Hammond said this week your election promise in 2015 not to raise taxes
:21:24. > :21:29.had tied his hands when it came to managing the economy. I ask you, do
:21:30. > :21:34.you agree with him? You said no. Philip expressed his view as to what
:21:35. > :21:39.he would like. What I'm saying is in a few weeks' time we'll set the
:21:40. > :21:43.manifesto which will set the policies, agreed with the the
:21:44. > :21:46.Cabinet. He's Chancellor. Doesn't he determine what the economic part of
:21:47. > :21:52.the manifesto is? We'll talk about that in due course. Will you have a
:21:53. > :21:57.lock on the taxes that you locked in 2015 on income tax, VAT, national
:21:58. > :22:04.insurance? That will be decided. You'll see that when we publish the
:22:05. > :22:08.manifesto in a few weeks' time. Will you rule out the possibility taxes
:22:09. > :22:13.may have to rise under a future Conservative Party? Conservative
:22:14. > :22:19.Government. We've taken four million people out of tax. Now, on average,
:22:20. > :22:25.people are paying ?1200 less tax than they were on the same salaries
:22:26. > :22:27.in 2010. I'm very provide of that. I can assure you, the Conservative
:22:28. > :22:31.Party will want to see taxes reduced. It is the Labour Party
:22:32. > :22:37.which will put up taxes. We have the evidence where this he did so.
:22:38. > :22:43.Council tax went up by over 100%. You haven't reduced the tax burden
:22:44. > :22:49.as a percentage of the GDP is now going to reach its highest level
:22:50. > :22:54.since the mid-180s which was when Conservatives were in power. The tax
:22:55. > :22:57.burden in this country under your Government is rising? We've more
:22:58. > :23:00.people paying taxes which is something, because we've a growing
:23:01. > :23:05.economy and more people... What about the tax band? You said you
:23:06. > :23:10.reduced the tax burden on your own Government's figures is rising? We
:23:11. > :23:15.have reduced the tax burden. The threshold at which people start
:23:16. > :23:21.paying. These are tax rates not the tax burden. It is rising. The tax
:23:22. > :23:26.rates have been reduced. You said tax burden. Perhaps I misspoke. Tax
:23:27. > :23:34.rates have been reduced. We'll leave it there. No doubt we'll speak again
:23:35. > :23:36.between now and June Is France now about to make it
:23:37. > :23:40.a hat-trick of shocks The prospect terrifies
:23:41. > :23:43.the governing elite in Paris. But they're no less scared
:23:44. > :23:45.in Brussels and Berlin, given what it could mean
:23:46. > :23:48.for the whole EU project, never mind the huge potential impact
:23:49. > :24:07.on our own Brexit negotiations. 11 candidates are contesting
:24:08. > :24:10.the first round of the presidential Only the top two will go forward
:24:11. > :24:16.to the run-off on May 7th. For the first time since General De
:24:17. > :24:21.Gaulle created the fifth Republic in 1958, it's perfectly possible that
:24:22. > :24:25.no candidate from the ruling parties of the centre-left or the
:24:26. > :24:28.centre-right will even make it The election has been dominated by
:24:29. > :24:35.the hard right in the shape of the who's never been elected
:24:36. > :24:42.to anything and only started his own party
:24:43. > :24:44.a few months ago. And the far left in the form
:24:45. > :24:47.of Jean-Luc Melenchon, a former Trotskyite who has surged
:24:48. > :24:51.in the final weeks of the campaign. The only candidate left from the
:24:52. > :24:54.traditional governing parties is the centre-right's
:24:55. > :24:57.Francois Fillon and he's been struggling to stay in
:24:58. > :25:00.the race ever since it was revealed that his Welsh wife was being paid
:25:01. > :25:05.at generous public expense for a job I've just come across
:25:06. > :25:20.this magazine cover and it kind of sums up the mood
:25:21. > :25:23.of the French people. It's got the five main candidates
:25:24. > :25:26.for President here but it calls them the biggest liar, the biggest cheat,
:25:27. > :25:30.the biggest traitor, the most paranoid, the biggest demagogue,
:25:31. > :25:32.and it says they are the winners The four leading candidates,
:25:33. > :25:43.Le Pen, Melenchon, Macron and Fillon, or in with a chance
:25:44. > :25:46.of making it to the second round. Only a couple of points separates
:25:47. > :25:48.them in the polls, Frankly, no one has a clue what's
:25:49. > :25:54.going to happen. Of the four, there is a feeling that
:25:55. > :26:00.two of them may be President But the two of them may not find
:26:01. > :26:13.themselves in the second round. Somebody said to me that the man or
:26:14. > :26:26.woman on the Paris Metro has as much a chance of knowing
:26:27. > :26:30.who will win as the greatest experts Because the more expert you are
:26:31. > :26:37.the more you may be wrong. The country has largely
:26:38. > :26:42.stagnated for over a decade. One in ten are unemployed,
:26:43. > :26:45.one in four if you are unlucky Like Britain in the '70s there is
:26:46. > :26:49.the pervasive stench There are three keywords that come
:26:50. > :26:56.to mind. Anger, anger at the elite, and in
:26:57. > :27:03.particular the political elite. And an element of
:27:04. > :27:09.nostalgia for the past. These three words were decisive
:27:10. > :27:13.in the Brexit referendum. They are decisive in
:27:14. > :27:24.the French election. Identity and security has been
:27:25. > :27:28.as important in this election France is a proud nation, it worries
:27:29. > :27:35.about its future in Europe It seems bereft of ideas about how
:27:36. > :27:40.to deal with its largely Muslim migrant population, huge chunks of
:27:41. > :27:43.which are increasingly divorced It is quite simply exhausted by
:27:44. > :27:54.the never-ending Islamist terrorist attacks, the latest only days before
:27:55. > :27:57.voting in the iconic heart of this If Fillon or Macron emerge
:27:58. > :28:08.victorious then there will be continuity of sorts, though Fillon
:28:09. > :28:12.will struggle to implement his Thatcherite agenda and Macron will
:28:13. > :28:16.not be able to count on the support of the French parliament, the
:28:17. > :28:19.National Assembly, for his reforms. But if it's Le Pen or Jean-Luc
:28:20. > :28:25.Melenchon then all bets are off. Both are hardline French
:28:26. > :28:28.nationalists, anti the euro, anti the European Union, anti-fiscal
:28:29. > :28:31.discipline, anti the market, Either in the Elysee Palace
:28:32. > :28:40.would represent an existential Brexit would simply become
:28:41. > :28:49.a sideshow, the negotiations could just peter out as Brussels
:28:50. > :28:53.and Berlin had bigger fish to fry. We're joined now from
:28:54. > :29:05.Paris by the journalist 8th Welcome to the programme.
:29:06. > :29:09.Overshadowing the voting today was yet another appalling terrorist
:29:10. > :29:15.attack in Paris on Thursday night. Do we have any indications of how
:29:16. > :29:19.that's playing into the election? That initially people thought this
:29:20. > :29:25.has been almost foiled in that the police were there as a ramp up. One
:29:26. > :29:29.policeman was killed. But the terrorist did not spray the crowd
:29:30. > :29:34.with bullets. It was seen as not having much of an effect on the
:29:35. > :29:41.election. This has changed. We now know the policeman who was killed, a
:29:42. > :29:46.young man about to the promoted, he was at the Bataclan the night of the
:29:47. > :29:53.terror attack. He was a fighter for LGBT rights. The fact he was
:29:54. > :29:59.promoted, happy within his job, he has this fresh face. Sudden, he's
:30:00. > :30:05.one of us. It took perhaps 48 hours for the French to process this. But
:30:06. > :30:11.now they're angry and this may actually change the game, at least
:30:12. > :30:18.at the margins. To whose advantage? I would say the two who might
:30:19. > :30:22.benefit from this are Marine Le Pen, she's been absolutely
:30:23. > :30:27.anti-immigration, anti-anything. And made no bones about it as she
:30:28. > :30:30.immediately made rather strange announcement in which she'd said if
:30:31. > :30:34.she'd been president none of the terror attacks which happened in
:30:35. > :30:42.France would have happened. Francois Fillon has written a book two years
:30:43. > :30:46.ago called Combating Islamic Terrorism he's has an organised plan
:30:47. > :30:50.in his manifesto. Unlike Emmanuel Macron who stumbled when he was
:30:51. > :30:54.asked the evening this happened what he thought, he said, I can't dream
:30:55. > :30:58.up an anti-terror programme overnight. The question, of course,
:30:59. > :31:02.that arrows was this is not the sort of thing that's just happened
:31:03. > :31:08.overnight. It's been unfortunately the fate of France for many years.
:31:09. > :31:13.Let me ask you this finally, what ever the outcome on May 7th in the
:31:14. > :31:19.second round, who ever wins, would it be fair to say French politics
:31:20. > :31:22.will never be the same again? Yes. Absolutely it's a very strange
:31:23. > :31:26.thing. People have no become really excited about this. You cannot go
:31:27. > :31:31.anywhere without people discussing heatedly this election. The anger
:31:32. > :31:38.that was described is very accurate. Very true. There was this feeling as
:31:39. > :31:42.for the Brexit voters and the Trump voters, vast parts of the people
:31:43. > :31:48.were being talked down to by people who despised them. This has to
:31:49. > :31:53.change. If it doesn't change, we cannot predict what the future will
:31:54. > :31:58.be. We'll know the results or at least the ex-the Poll London time
:31:59. > :32:00.tonight at 8.00pm. Thank for joining us from the glorious heart of your
:32:01. > :32:04.city. Now, the Green Party currently has
:32:05. > :32:07.one MP and they'll be contesting many more seats in June
:32:08. > :32:10.as well as hoping to increase their presence on councils in
:32:11. > :32:12.the local elections on 4th May. Launching their campaign
:32:13. > :32:14.on Thursday, co-leader Caroline Lucas made
:32:15. > :32:16.a pitch to younger voters. When it comes to young
:32:17. > :32:18.people they've been But one crucial way they've been
:32:19. > :32:23.betrayed is by what this generation and this government and the previous
:32:24. > :32:26.ones have been doing when it comes We know we had the hottest year
:32:27. > :32:31.on record last year, you know, you almost think what else does
:32:32. > :32:33.the environment need to be doing All the signs are there
:32:34. > :32:37.and it is young people who are going to be bearing
:32:38. > :32:40.the brunt of a wrecked environment and that's why it's so important
:32:41. > :32:44.that when we come to making that pitch to, yes, the country at large
:32:45. > :32:47.but to young people in particular, I think climate change,
:32:48. > :32:48.the environment, looking after our precious resources,
:32:49. > :32:53.has to be up there. And I'm joined now by the Green
:32:54. > :33:07.MEP, Molly Scott Cato. Welcome back to the programme.
:33:08. > :33:11.Promised to scrap university tuition fees, increase NHS funding, rollback
:33:12. > :33:15.cuts to local councils spending, how much would that cost and how would
:33:16. > :33:18.you pay for it? Like the other parties we haven't got a costed
:33:19. > :33:21.manifesto yet, it's only a few days since the election was announced so
:33:22. > :33:25.I will come back and explain the figures. You don't know? Like every
:33:26. > :33:31.party we have not produced accosted manifesto yet, we produced one last
:33:32. > :33:34.time but public spending figures have changed so we're not in a
:33:35. > :33:39.position to do that but we will be in a week or so. What taxes would
:33:40. > :33:43.you like to consider raising? We would consider having higher taxes
:33:44. > :33:48.for the better off in society. I think we need to increase the amount
:33:49. > :33:51.of tax wealthier people pay. How do you define better off? I'm not
:33:52. > :33:57.entirely clear what the precise number would be but I think 100,000
:33:58. > :34:01.people would pay a bit more, 150,000 quite considerably more but the real
:34:02. > :34:04.focus needs to be on companies avoiding paying taxes. I work on
:34:05. > :34:07.that a lot in my role in the European Parliament, we see an
:34:08. > :34:10.enormous amount of tax avoidance by companies moving profits from
:34:11. > :34:14.country to country and we need European corporation to make that
:34:15. > :34:20.successful. It has not made much difference yet. We have made lots of
:34:21. > :34:23.changes. Google turned over $1 billion and only paid 25 million in
:34:24. > :34:28.taxes last year. There was a significant fine introduced by the
:34:29. > :34:32.competition commission on Apple and in the case of Google we must change
:34:33. > :34:38.the laws so that people cannot move profits from country to country.
:34:39. > :34:41.Everybody wants to do it. But you couldn't face a big spending
:34:42. > :34:45.programme on the ability to do that. You'd have to increase other taxes.
:34:46. > :34:48.If you look at the cost of free student tuition, tuition fees and
:34:49. > :34:52.also maintenance grants to students, that would come in at about 10
:34:53. > :34:55.billion a year. One way of paying for that would be to remove the
:34:56. > :34:59.upper threshold on National Insurance, bringing in 20 billion a
:35:00. > :35:03.year, that's the order of magnitude we are talking about. It is not
:35:04. > :35:07.vast, and some of the proposals we have... That would be an increase on
:35:08. > :35:14.the better of tax? National Insurance on people earning...
:35:15. > :35:18.People earning above 42,000. You would have another 10% tax above
:35:19. > :35:24.42,000? I can't remember exactly how much the National Insurance rate
:35:25. > :35:28.changes by. But in government figures it would be 28 billion
:35:29. > :35:31.raised. I think it is up to 45, a bit more you pay a marginal rate of
:35:32. > :35:36.40%, you would have them pay a marginal rate of over 50%? We would
:35:37. > :35:40.put the National Insurance rate on higher incomes the same as it is on
:35:41. > :35:44.lower incomes. If you are a school head of an English department on 50,
:35:45. > :35:50.60,000 a year you would face a marginal rate under U of over 50%?
:35:51. > :35:55.It is not useful to do this as a mental maths exercise but if you
:35:56. > :35:59.look at other proposals would could have a landlord licensing system,
:36:00. > :36:02.longer term leases on properties, so young people particularly, but also
:36:03. > :36:05.older people who rent, could have more security which needn't cost
:36:06. > :36:10.anything. We could insist on landlords paying for that. The
:36:11. > :36:14.mental arithmetic seems clear but we will come back to that. How is the
:36:15. > :36:18.Progressive Alliance coming? It is going well, I have heard of a lot of
:36:19. > :36:23.interest at local level. Winterset this in contest, context, lots of
:36:24. > :36:28.progressives are concerned about the crisis in public services, prisons,
:36:29. > :36:31.social care system, and also about the Tories' hard extreme Brexit they
:36:32. > :36:36.are threatening. You want the left to come together? Theresa May has
:36:37. > :36:39.given us opportunity, she has taken a risk because she has problems with
:36:40. > :36:43.backbenchers, she doesn't think she can get through Brexit with a small
:36:44. > :36:46.majority so there is an opportunity and we are saying progressives must
:36:47. > :36:49.come together to corporate, Conservatives are effective at using
:36:50. > :36:54.the first-past-the-post system and we have to become effective as well.
:36:55. > :36:57.Do you accept this Progressive Alliance cannot become the
:36:58. > :37:01.government and Mr Corbyn is the Prime Minister? How could it happen
:37:02. > :37:05.otherwise? I think that is a secondary question. For me the
:37:06. > :37:08.primary question is who do people choose to vote for? Aluminium
:37:09. > :37:12.government afterwards comes after the election. In most countries that
:37:13. > :37:15.is the case. I understand that but we have the system we have and you
:37:16. > :37:19.accept this Progressive Alliance cannot be in power and thus mystical
:37:20. > :37:22.Burmese Prime Minister? Personally I think Mr Corbyn is less of a threat
:37:23. > :37:25.to the country than Theresa May, she has shown herself to be an
:37:26. > :37:31.authoritarian leader and she has said she doesn't want to have
:37:32. > :37:34.dissidents, which I would say is reasonable opposition, and what we
:37:35. > :37:36.are suggesting at the moment is there is a way of avoiding that very
:37:37. > :37:39.hard Brexit and damage to public services. You'd be happy to pay the
:37:40. > :37:44.price of having Mr Corbyn as Prime Minister? I do not see that as a
:37:45. > :37:47.price. People have the choice of Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May as
:37:48. > :37:52.Prime Minister, that's the system that works. You would prefer Mr
:37:53. > :37:55.Corbyn? I would but votes are translated into seats and the
:37:56. > :37:57.Progressive Alliance is a step towards that.
:37:58. > :37:59.It's just gone 3:50pm, you're watching the Sunday Politics.
:38:00. > :38:01.We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, Wales
:38:02. > :38:02.and Northern Ireland who leave us now.
:38:03. > :38:55.Coming up here in 20 minutes, the Week Ahead.
:38:56. > :39:00.The general election's underway, but who'll be the winners in our patch?
:39:01. > :39:02.Our political editor's been on his very own marathon
:39:03. > :39:05.around the region to find out where the election will be won and lost.
:39:06. > :39:09.We're going to be on the runaround in the East Midlands as the battle
:39:10. > :39:13.And will it be a Brexit election, we've joined this morning's
:39:14. > :39:15.St George's celebrations to ask if voters have
:39:16. > :39:18.So what's your priorities in the election?
:39:19. > :39:18.Minimum wage. NHS.
:39:19. > :39:20.Tax. Immigration.
:39:21. > :39:24.We'll be bringing you live coverage of the election campaign
:39:25. > :39:26.in the East Midlands and hearing from all the parties
:39:27. > :39:30.My guests today are Andrew Bridgen, currently the Conservative MP
:39:31. > :39:32.for North West Leicestershire, and Toby Perkins,
:39:33. > :39:35.We'll also be joined by Ukip and the Liberal Democrats.
:39:36. > :39:39.The polls are looking good for you. Do you expect to wind any new seats
:39:40. > :39:41.in the East Midlands? Opinion polls are notoriously unreliable. They
:39:42. > :39:44.been unreliable for the last few elections. There's only one poll, we
:39:45. > :39:47.need to be out on the doorsteps. It's about who will be a Prime
:39:48. > :39:54.Minister when we are negotiating the elections. We will be working hard
:39:55. > :40:01.and hoping to. The Conservatives will be an endorsement of Theresa
:40:02. > :40:05.May. Any voter any other party will undermine that position. A lot of
:40:06. > :40:11.hard work to go. Could this all backfire on you as a party? We have
:40:12. > :40:15.seen plenty of people say that they didn't want an election. There will
:40:16. > :40:18.always be some people who don't want an election. The polling figures, if
:40:19. > :40:25.we believe any polling figures, say 55 agreed that it should be an
:40:26. > :40:29.election, 15 against. You wrote an article Leicester Sinjar party
:40:30. > :40:34.should be ready for a snap election. Just this morning, Labour were
:40:35. > :40:39.inviting applications for candidates for 33 seats here in this area
:40:40. > :40:48.alone. That is a lot. And one more now that Northiam north MP is
:40:49. > :40:52.standing down after 30 years. I did predict that we should beep repaired
:40:53. > :40:58.for this. There was not a lot of point talking about whether we
:40:59. > :41:04.should have an election, we are. The interesting reason we are having is
:41:05. > :41:07.because the Prime Minister says any opposition prevents her doing her
:41:08. > :41:10.job and she is catching up very much in the language of the Brexit
:41:11. > :41:14.negotiations. As we saw from your film there, there are other issues
:41:15. > :41:18.that people will be talking about. The pressures that are public
:41:19. > :41:23.services have, we do not want a situation where this Government is
:41:24. > :41:26.able to cut the NHS with impunity, without knowing that there will be
:41:27. > :41:30.any sort of opposition. You were singing is not just about Brexit.
:41:31. > :41:32.How will the election pan out here on the west Midlands?
:41:33. > :41:35.Well, our Political Editor, Tony Roe spent this morning
:41:36. > :41:36.running the London Marathon, but before he went,
:41:37. > :41:44.he did his final training in a run around our region.
:41:45. > :41:51.MPs running in this year's London Marathon had gathered
:41:52. > :41:53.outside Parliament for a photocall when news of the election broke.
:41:54. > :41:57.All of a sudden, the cameras disappeared to Downing Street.
:41:58. > :42:00.Now they have another marathon on their hands,
:42:01. > :42:06.a six-week general election campaign.
:42:07. > :42:09.It was a big surprise, we were filming the Tory party chairman
:42:10. > :42:11.Sir Patrick McLaughlan the day before the use of holidays,
:42:12. > :42:23.He's going to be busy doing more than leafleting.
:42:24. > :42:27.In 2015, Derbyshire Dales had one of the biggest
:42:28. > :42:29.turnouts in the country, trailing behind only Rushcliffe
:42:30. > :42:39.I don't want it, but I think we probably had to do it.
:42:40. > :42:42.Will you vote? Probably not.
:42:43. > :42:46.She's doing the right thing to get a working majority, so she can push
:42:47. > :42:54.forward without any... without too much opposition.
:42:55. > :42:57.One of the MPs running in London is Amanda Solloway.
:42:58. > :43:03.It should be an uphill struggle for the conservative,
:43:04. > :43:10.because with a 41 majority, it's the smallest in England.
:43:11. > :43:12.But the opinion polls have all been downhill for Labour,
:43:13. > :43:15.which is going to make it harder for Chris Williamson
:43:16. > :43:25.I once introduced Liz Kendall as the Labour MP for Leicester South.
:43:26. > :43:29.Afterwards, she said she wished she had Jon Ashworth's majority.
:43:30. > :43:34.He is also another MP running in the London Marathon.
:43:35. > :43:41.He also has the safest Labour seat in the East Midlands.
:43:42. > :43:47.As for Liz Kendall, she's number 100 on the conservative hit list.
:43:48. > :43:59.Vernon Coaker won it in 1997 at the third attempt,
:44:00. > :44:02.it's number 28 on the conservative hit list.
:44:03. > :44:04.But it's not the most vulnerable in the East Midlands,
:44:05. > :44:13.Natascha Engel has a majority of just over a thousand.
:44:14. > :44:16.Sir Alan Neale has been MP from Mansfield since 1987,
:44:17. > :44:18.but his seat and Ashfield in the East Midlands
:44:19. > :44:20.are now what's called 3-way marginals between Labour,
:44:21. > :44:25.What happens to that Ukip vote is going to be fascinating.
:44:26. > :44:27.And one things for certain, all politicians from all parties
:44:28. > :44:38.are going to have to put in a lot of miles over next six weeks.
:44:39. > :44:44.Tony Roe pounding the streets of the East Midlands and it paid off.
:44:45. > :44:47.He completed the London Marathon in just over four hours.
:44:48. > :44:51.But let's get back to the General Election race and we're
:44:52. > :44:54.joined by Roger Helmer, a Ukip MEP for the East Midlands
:44:55. > :45:04.Roger, Tony mentioned a couple of 3-way marginal seats where Ukip may
:45:05. > :45:08.have a chance, Mansfield, Ashfield. Have you got a chance of winning any
:45:09. > :45:14.seats in the East Midlands? We have. It depends on how the policy issues
:45:15. > :45:19.evolved over the campaign. We will be focusing particularly on seats
:45:20. > :45:24.where the candidate is known to be a Remainer. There is no point, from
:45:25. > :45:28.our point of view, in tactical terms, attacking... What does that
:45:29. > :45:32.mean? Which seats are your preference? If I was choosing a seat
:45:33. > :45:39.to standing, I might want to stand against Cam Clark. That would be
:45:40. > :45:46.interesting. Ukip wants to ban full face veils worn by some muscle and
:45:47. > :45:51.winning. Paul Nuttall says this is to encourage integration. But of
:45:52. > :45:55.course, that is something that could cause concern in certain
:45:56. > :45:58.communities. What we are doing is, we are not going to people and
:45:59. > :46:04.saying you can't choose what you wear. We are saying there is a
:46:05. > :46:08.movement to introduce a lot of cultural changes, and possible legal
:46:09. > :46:13.changes, showery low, some areas where it is difficult for people to
:46:14. > :46:20.operate in a normal way. This is specifically about banning the
:46:21. > :46:24.burqa. It is part of a package. We want immigrants to integrate in our
:46:25. > :46:28.society and respect our values. If they are not prepared to do that,
:46:29. > :46:31.they should consider whether they should be somewhere else? Are you
:46:32. > :46:34.banning the burqa or not? The party policy is to ban the burqa. Banning
:46:35. > :46:40.the burqa is a policy which could the burqa is a policy which could
:46:41. > :46:44.provoke serious concern in some of our communities in the East
:46:45. > :46:47.Midlands. I am concerned about politicians telling women what they
:46:48. > :46:51.can wear, as long as they are wearing what they want and they are
:46:52. > :46:56.not under coercion to wear a certain garment or not. How are you on the
:46:57. > :47:07.rights of women under Islamic law? I am not in favour of
:47:08. > :47:14.if it is under question, I am against it. They will never come
:47:15. > :47:20.along and say, I want to take my bug off and my husband would let me.
:47:21. > :47:22.Plenty of groups work with women in communities where they are doing
:47:23. > :47:31.that. Tony, what do you think about the suggestion? 200 years ago,
:47:32. > :47:35.Catholics couldn't stand for Catholics couldn't stand for
:47:36. > :47:43.Parliament. We know what happened 70 odd years ago. How can you have any
:47:44. > :47:48.society where a political party goes to a specific community and says
:47:49. > :47:52.colour your form of religious dress is unacceptable. It is grotesque.
:47:53. > :48:00.It is something we have seen over many generations, people pursuing
:48:01. > :48:07.these politics. Here in the East Midlands, something like that? It
:48:08. > :48:12.could be huge. Of course, we want greater integration. But the idea
:48:13. > :48:16.that you will reduce Muslim extremism by having a particular
:48:17. > :48:21.policy that clearly persecutes an individual group, I think it is
:48:22. > :48:24.crazy. It is not persecution, it is integration. We are inviting these
:48:25. > :48:29.people to engage with British society. We are creating an
:48:30. > :48:35.opportunity for them to join our society. That is just one of your
:48:36. > :48:38.policies, Paul Nuttall also said this morning that Ukip might not
:48:39. > :48:43.stand against genuinely Brexit Conservative MPs. Andrew Bridgen
:48:44. > :48:47.next to you has impeccable credentials as far as that goes,
:48:48. > :48:53.will you put up a candidate in somewhere like North West
:48:54. > :48:56.Leicestershire? I give you, a commitment, I will not stand against
:48:57. > :49:00.Andrew Bridgen. I can't give you a definitive answer, but I would be
:49:01. > :49:04.astonished if you can put up a candidate. So it is a pointless
:49:05. > :49:08.exercise? There is no point splitting the Brexit vote. If we
:49:09. > :49:13.want Brexit to be supported, if we want a quick, clean Brexit, the last
:49:14. > :49:19.thing we want to do, tactically, is to prevent Brexiteers from being
:49:20. > :49:20.elected. Will you put up a candidate against Ana Subaru? I will be
:49:21. > :49:27.astonished if we didn't. How do you feel about the prospect
:49:28. > :49:30.of official backing from Ukip, they have almost 17% of the vote from
:49:31. > :49:37.last time in your patch, didn't they? What other parties do is up to
:49:38. > :49:40.them. I will reiterate what I said earlier, every vote for the
:49:41. > :49:44.Conservatives will strengthen Theresa May's negotiating position
:49:45. > :49:47.going forward in Brexit negotiations. Votes for other
:49:48. > :49:51.parties will undermine that. I hasten to add, we are not backing
:49:52. > :49:55.the Conservatives, we are merely not attacking people that we know are
:49:56. > :50:01.committed to Brexit. It is even bigger for your party if Ukip step
:50:02. > :50:06.down in certain areas. In some ways, but in other ways it is helpful. It
:50:07. > :50:10.underlines what we have said all the time. Ukip is an offshoot of the
:50:11. > :50:14.Conservative Party. For them to say, from their perspective, the entire
:50:15. > :50:19.election is about Brexit. If you are a Tory that supports Brexit, you
:50:20. > :50:24.could not being an opponent, it is powerful for Labour. You ought to
:50:25. > :50:31.see some of our by-election result in the North of England, the idea
:50:32. > :50:39.that Ukip is an offshoot of the Conservatives is not the way it is.
:50:40. > :50:43.The BMP is an offshoot of the Labour Party, they always form in former
:50:44. > :50:47.Labour areas. The BMP didn't stand down because Labour were standing.
:50:48. > :50:51.You have Ukip not standing against Conservative candidates. We will
:50:52. > :50:58.stand against Conservative candidates where they are Remainers.
:50:59. > :51:02.What about the National Health Service? What about national
:51:03. > :51:06.spending and the issues that the general election should be about?
:51:07. > :51:10.People care about it in the East Midlands at all. We have the
:51:11. > :51:16.strongest economic growth... Paying your deficit down. Borrowing more
:51:17. > :51:19.Following a Labour government when Following a Labour government when
:51:20. > :51:23.you have bankrupted us. We have reduced it by two third and we will
:51:24. > :51:27.reduce it completely. You have broken a manifesto promised to get
:51:28. > :51:31.rid of the deficit. I thought it was too fast for the Labour Party, and
:51:32. > :51:35.now it is not fast enough. Thank you very much for joining us in the
:51:36. > :51:36.studio. That is what the politicians think, but what about the voters in
:51:37. > :51:40.the East Midlands? Theresa May is framing this
:51:41. > :51:41.as a Brexit election. But are voters happy
:51:42. > :51:43.to go along with that, or do they have other issues
:51:44. > :51:46.they want to see discussed? Well, the crowds have been out
:51:47. > :51:48.across the East Midlands for St George's Day celebrations
:51:49. > :51:51.and Helen McCulloch's been in Nottingham to find out
:51:52. > :51:56.what the mood is there. The flags are out for St George's
:51:57. > :52:13.Day in Nottingham's Market Square. And if the election goes
:52:14. > :52:15.Labour's way in June, we could all be looking forward
:52:16. > :52:18.to a bit more time off work. Jeremy Corbyn has pledged to create
:52:19. > :52:21.four more bank holidays, one for each of the nation's
:52:22. > :52:23.Saint days. Or do people's priorities
:52:24. > :52:28.lie elsewhere? Those are important issues to you?
:52:29. > :52:33.Yeah, because I work for the NHS. Tax?
:52:34. > :52:37.Yeah, tax. I'm not interested in anything else,
:52:38. > :52:46.just making Britain great again. Which party will get your vote
:52:47. > :52:52.to make that come true? Always Labour.
:52:53. > :52:56.Never, ever any doubt. Because I don't really
:52:57. > :52:59.live here any more, see? I live in France.
:53:00. > :53:03.So Brexit is really hurting me. I've always been
:53:04. > :53:06.a lifelong Conservative voter. I'm considering this time
:53:07. > :53:08.to vote Liberal, year. I think the main thing
:53:09. > :53:14.is for the leader to have a mandate. I think that's why Theresa May
:53:15. > :53:17.is trying to do it, to probably avoid all the arguments,
:53:18. > :53:19.like, she's not elected The NHS is a massive one for me,
:53:20. > :53:25.because I've had health So yeah, that's a really
:53:26. > :53:31.big one for me. She hasn't called this
:53:32. > :53:34.election for the fun of it. She's called it to get the support
:53:35. > :53:36.behind her for Brexit. She's the next best thing
:53:37. > :53:39.to Margaret Thatcher. In a strongly held
:53:40. > :53:41.Labour city like Nottingham, it's perhaps surprising to hear
:53:42. > :53:43.so much support for Theresa May But Nottingham also narrowly
:53:44. > :53:47.voted to leave the EU. Brexit is still dividing
:53:48. > :53:50.voters here, and that will no doubt We're joined by Paul Holmes,
:53:51. > :54:03.a Liberal Democrat party organiser He's a former Lib Dem MP
:54:04. > :54:16.for Chesterfield, Is your party going to win any seats
:54:17. > :54:20.here? Of course they are. There are a number of seats where we are
:54:21. > :54:26.have us 5-1 on to win there. If you have us 5-1 on to win there. If you
:54:27. > :54:30.look back at 2015, it was an unusual election. 2010, a number of other
:54:31. > :54:33.seats like Chesterfield where the Liberal Democrats would have been
:54:34. > :54:38.John contenders. You mentioned Derby John contenders. You mentioned Derby
:54:39. > :54:44.North, where else will do well? Northampton, we have been strong
:54:45. > :54:48.there in the past. One of the things about this election is, the
:54:49. > :54:52.electorate are more volatile than any other election night camera
:54:53. > :54:58.member. Where do the Ukip voters go? They came from all sorts of parties.
:54:59. > :55:05.Where do Labour voters go with their collapse? Toby Perkins is after your
:55:06. > :55:12.seat. All the parties after all of the seats, that is the great thing
:55:13. > :55:15.about general elections. I would place a system to another money on
:55:16. > :55:20.the Liberal Democrats having a significant number of seats. You
:55:21. > :55:26.can't be complacent. It is true what Paul says, a lot of votes are up for
:55:27. > :55:31.grabs. We will see what happens. But just as Andrew says that any vote
:55:32. > :55:35.other than the Conservatives weakens Theresa May. Any vote other than the
:55:36. > :55:39.Labour Party reduces the opposition in Parliament for Theresa May. It is
:55:40. > :55:45.important we get the maximum number of Labour MPs. There is actually an
:55:46. > :55:49.opposition to the government. There are lots of issues that need to be
:55:50. > :55:53.held to account. We heard someone in Market Square in Nottingham that
:55:54. > :55:56.lives in France. He said he had always voted Conservative but is
:55:57. > :56:00.worried about Brexit, and he will vote for the Liberal Democrats. With
:56:01. > :56:07.the Liberal Democrats being so wedded to opposing Brexit now, after
:56:08. > :56:10.we have had a democratic mandate from the British people, they are
:56:11. > :56:16.going to really struggle in the East Midlands, because the East Midlands
:56:17. > :56:21.vote in is overwhelmingly to leave the EU. It wasn't really close. I
:56:22. > :56:26.have do agree with Toby, I don't think there will be any Liberal
:56:27. > :56:31.Democrat MPs after eight June in East Midlands. It makes it difficult
:56:32. > :56:35.for you. 40% of the electorate, as Andrew says, it is a large part of
:56:36. > :56:40.the electorate to play for. It won't just be about Brexit, it will be
:56:41. > :56:45.about a number of issues. For the last two years, Labour haven't
:56:46. > :56:47.provided opposition to the Conservatives. They have fought
:56:48. > :56:54.themselves over so many issues, they have totally given up on the job of
:56:55. > :56:58.opposing the government. We need a strong opposition, and the Liberal
:56:59. > :57:04.Democrats will provide that voice. I struggle to find a Labour MP willing
:57:05. > :57:07.to endorse Jeremy Corbyn to be promised. They don't endorse him to
:57:08. > :57:11.be Leader of the Opposition. John Wilcox said outright he would vote
:57:12. > :57:15.for him to be promised and he is a Labour MP. I hope Jeremy Corbyn
:57:16. > :57:18.performs well, I hope you is the Prime Minister at the end of the
:57:19. > :57:25.election. How difficult for you is that? The truth of the matter is, we
:57:26. > :57:26.are into a general election. Everyone in the Labour Party
:57:27. > :57:32.recognises the need to unite collectively. It is not just about
:57:33. > :57:37.Jeremy Corbyn, it is about the issues, things that members of your
:57:38. > :57:43.vox pop spoke about, the NHS, the impact on public services. The
:57:44. > :57:46.voters recognise it isn't just about Brexit, it is about a raft of
:57:47. > :57:51.things. It is about the Prime Minister. We know it will be Theresa
:57:52. > :57:54.May, a strong and confident Governor, or chaos under Jeremy
:57:55. > :58:03.Corbyn, some sort of coalition. It is chaos under this governor. --
:58:04. > :58:07.government. The Prime Minister stood down on three of the major manifesto
:58:08. > :58:11.commitments you had. We have come out of the EU against the prime
:58:12. > :58:14.Minster's wishes. It is chaos. It doesn't matter what the Prime
:58:15. > :58:19.Minister things, we had a democratic vote for a referendum, and the
:58:20. > :58:23.people decided. We are talking about things other than Brexit as well.
:58:24. > :58:29.What do you think about Jeremy Corbyn's idea of four extra bank
:58:30. > :58:32.holidays? Is it a winner? Is that what people want? Less holidays than
:58:33. > :58:37.any country in the G20. It would bring us in line with the rest of
:58:38. > :58:41.the G20. Another important thing is, the union is under pressure more
:58:42. > :58:47.than ever, I am a passionate unionist. Bank holidays to recognise
:58:48. > :58:51.the Saints, it is a positive step. Many people, I have come through
:58:52. > :58:57.Nottingham today, huge amounts of celebration for St George's Day. I
:58:58. > :59:01.would like to see it as a public holiday. Paul, can you see your
:59:02. > :59:07.party doing a deal, a coalition? No, there are no grounds you can see for
:59:08. > :59:12.a coalition with the Conservatives or Labour, because they have such
:59:13. > :59:15.extreme policies in different ways. There's not enough common ground.
:59:16. > :59:19.Where does it leave you? Out of the wilderness? We are providing a
:59:20. > :59:22.strong opposition United in what it says, the only party arguing
:59:23. > :59:31.consistently over the last couple of years. Offering people disillusioned
:59:32. > :59:35.people a place to go. The Liberal Democrat candidate in North West
:59:36. > :59:39.Leicestershire actually campaigned to Leave. Your principle, you are
:59:40. > :59:43.United, it doesn't sound United three. The idea Theresa May has,
:59:44. > :59:49.that you have do have 100% agreement with everything, she has cold it for
:59:50. > :59:52.her own party, yes, but she said she was calling it to stop opposition
:59:53. > :59:56.stopping her from governing. You have opposition, you have different
:59:57. > :00:01.points of view. Within our party, certainly, there are people,
:00:02. > :00:08.probably 30% of Lib Dem voters voted for leave. How many times have I
:00:09. > :00:11.seen this on Tory leaflets and Labour leaflets? They say different
:00:12. > :00:17.things within the same constituency. It is ridiculous. Would your party,
:00:18. > :00:21.Labour, would they be interested in doing a coalition with the Lib Dems?
:00:22. > :00:25.We start the election looking to win it, as you always do. But it is
:00:26. > :00:28.important to come out of the election with a government and a
:00:29. > :00:36.strong opposition. The idea that Theresa May has had, to say, if I
:00:37. > :00:38.have any opposition, it prevents me negotiating. The truth is the
:00:39. > :00:43.election has come about because Theresa May doesn't have a plan for
:00:44. > :00:45.Brexit. OK... we have do leave it there. Thank you.
:00:46. > :00:47.That's the Sunday Politics in the East Midlands,
:00:48. > :00:49.thanks to Andrew Bridgen and Toby Perkins for being my guests
:00:50. > :00:52.and to Paul Holmes and Roger Helmer for joining us, too.
:00:53. > :00:54.And don't forget, if you've got a question
:00:55. > :00:58.for any of our politicians, you can contact us on
:00:59. > :01:00.our social media pages, just look for Sunday Politics East Midlands
:01:01. > :01:06.Next week, we will be looking at the county
:01:07. > :01:16.on issues like the NHS. Run out of time. Andrew, back to you.
:01:17. > :01:22.Now, Ukip have made their first significant policy announcement
:01:23. > :01:27.of the election campaign today with a call for a ban on wearing
:01:28. > :01:33.But is it a policy that will meet with the approval of the man
:01:34. > :01:36.who bankrolled the party's last general election campaign?
:01:37. > :01:43.Hello, Andrew. Let me see if I can clarify some things, are you a
:01:44. > :01:50.member of Ukip? I a patron of Ukip so I don't stop being a member. So
:01:51. > :01:53.you are still a member? I am, apparently for life. Are you still
:01:54. > :02:00.hoping to bankroll Ukip? Not at the moment. Why is that? The internal
:02:01. > :02:05.problems we have had in Ukip have been aired, and a lot needs to
:02:06. > :02:09.happen in the party in terms of professionalising it and I think it
:02:10. > :02:14.is ill-prepared for this general election. Are you going to run in
:02:15. > :02:21.Clacton? I will be if selected. For Ukip? Yes. Have you been to Clacton?
:02:22. > :02:25.I've been with Nigel Mansell on the campaign. You will run for a
:02:26. > :02:31.constituency you've only been in once? Yes, why does that surprise
:02:32. > :02:36.you? You know nothing about it. I've just recently decided to become the
:02:37. > :02:40.candidate there. Did you know where it is? Of course I do, your piece
:02:41. > :02:44.the other night was completely wrong. I said I knew where it was
:02:45. > :02:50.but I didn't know much about it. Maybe the people of Clacton will
:02:51. > :02:57.regard you as a carpetbagger? Why? Because you have never been there.
:02:58. > :03:01.Most politicians are carpetbaggers and I will be there for the right
:03:02. > :03:06.reasons. I thought it was because of your visceral hatred of Douglas
:03:07. > :03:10.Carswell. He only lasted 24 hours after I announced my candidacy so we
:03:11. > :03:13.will see what happens. The main thing I am going to Clacton on
:03:14. > :03:17.Monday to meet the Ukip councillors, see what the issues are and see if
:03:18. > :03:23.they want me as a candidate. They may not want me. Who do you think
:03:24. > :03:29.you will be up against? The potential Conservative candidate.
:03:30. > :03:34.Who in Ukip? I don't suppose anyone in Ukip will stand against me, I
:03:35. > :03:41.wouldn't have thought. Really? I would have thought. Money talks! Why
:03:42. > :03:45.do you say that? You talked about having a pirate radio station to
:03:46. > :03:47.blast into Clacton so it is not covered by the election rules.
:03:48. > :03:54.You've been talking about financing a sort of right-wing Momentum
:03:55. > :03:58.movement. I just wonder, has politics now just become a
:03:59. > :04:01.Richmond's hobby? From my perspective the reason I'm
:04:02. > :04:04.interested in it is if you have looked at what has happened in the
:04:05. > :04:08.country, it's clear the Conservatives will have a massive
:04:09. > :04:15.majority. -- has politics become a rich man's hobby. Only putting up
:04:16. > :04:21.candidates not against Brexit MPs. Is Ukip over? I don't think so. The
:04:22. > :04:23.electoral maths is interesting because first-past-the-post
:04:24. > :04:34.effectively could help Ukip in this example. Ukip got one MP with 4
:04:35. > :04:38.million votes. What we are seeing is the total collapse of Labour. In
:04:39. > :04:41.that situation there are certain seats up north in Hartlepool and
:04:42. > :04:45.other seats like that, the total collapse of the Labour Party could
:04:46. > :04:51.help Ukip to win a few seats. Is Ukip over? It looks that way, yes.
:04:52. > :04:54.They haven't made much of a dent in Labour's vote in the north, they
:04:55. > :04:58.don't really have a defining issue anymore and all the polls we have
:04:59. > :05:03.seen published since the election was called show Ukip vote is going
:05:04. > :05:07.to the Conservatives. Is Ukip over? It always happens when the
:05:08. > :05:11.Conservative Party goes far to the right, really hard Brexit, there is
:05:12. > :05:17.no space for BMP, Ukip and all of that. Are you associating the BNP
:05:18. > :05:21.with Ukip? Or that, movements to the right of the Conservatives get eaten
:05:22. > :05:26.up one the Conservatives move as far right as Theresa May has done. I
:05:27. > :05:31.think what your enterprise shows is how it's really time to reform
:05:32. > :05:36.funding of political parties. It is disgraceful that very rich people
:05:37. > :05:39.can move in and bankroll the Brexit campaigned to the extent that they
:05:40. > :05:46.did. We need proper state funding of parties. The union is bankrolling
:05:47. > :05:53.Labour. I assume the reform would include trade unions? Indeed. Ukip
:05:54. > :05:57.has lost its talisman in Nigel Farage, it was a one-man party, I
:05:58. > :06:02.have to say, people like Tim. Having voted for Brexit its reason to be
:06:03. > :06:06.has gone. It will still take votes from Labour and the Conservatives
:06:07. > :06:10.but probably only from the don't knows. There are seats in certain
:06:11. > :06:15.places where if enough Tories back Ukip dated when. Hartlepool is an
:06:16. > :06:19.example. Were the Tories will never win. The demise of Ukip has been
:06:20. > :06:23.forecasted many times before but I don't see a Tory candidate winning
:06:24. > :06:27.in a place like Hartlepool. So we could see, and I think we will see,
:06:28. > :06:32.the total collapse of the Labour vote. We shall see. The leader of
:06:33. > :06:36.the party of which you say you are still a patron, Paul Nuttall, said
:06:37. > :06:44.he would ban the Burcea and the niqab in public, what is your view?
:06:45. > :06:49.-- the niqab and the Burcea? I'm not in agreement with that. If it is a
:06:50. > :06:53.security issue at airports or public transport it could be acceptable but
:06:54. > :06:56.I'm not in favour of curtailing people's writes. You have gone
:06:57. > :07:01.further than him, haven't you? You tweeted you wanted to ban Muslim
:07:02. > :07:04.immigration. In my view the problem we have had with the lack of
:07:05. > :07:08.integration in certain communities has come about through mass
:07:09. > :07:12.open-door immigration. If you are a must win you wouldn't be allowed in?
:07:13. > :07:17.What I said in the tweet was I think they should be a ban on
:07:18. > :07:23.immigration... You said Muslim immigration. That's what I believe.
:07:24. > :07:26.If you are a world famous doctor coming to help one of our big
:07:27. > :07:29.teaching hospitals in this country because you are a Muslim you could
:07:30. > :07:33.not get in? We have to start somewhere, there are huge problems
:07:34. > :07:38.in areas where 20% of the population don't speak the language, they
:07:39. > :07:44.haven't integrated. You should read the rest of the tweet, it is control
:07:45. > :07:47.of immigration from a 10-year ban on unskilled immigration. The first
:07:48. > :07:51.thing you said was to ban Muslim immigration, it is in black and
:07:52. > :07:55.white. I have said that, I do not dispute that. I was questioning
:07:56. > :07:59.that. There is my answer, you cannot tell somebody's will adjust freedoms
:08:00. > :08:05.but what you can do is stop adding to the problem. Doesn't that sound a
:08:06. > :08:09.bit like the BNP? It's as like BNP and like Trump. Its, we hate
:08:10. > :08:14.Muslims, fine, if that is what you are standing for, that is clear. The
:08:15. > :08:16.final word is we have had open-door mass immigration from the
:08:17. > :08:19.Conservative Party, we've had it from the Labour Party and its fine
:08:20. > :08:23.if you are in north London to say these things, if you live in Oldham
:08:24. > :08:27.and your community has been radically changed and you have a
:08:28. > :08:30.whole population not integrating in, not speaking the language, something
:08:31. > :08:35.has got to be done. We had better leave it there. Thank you for coming
:08:36. > :08:38.in. I am en route to Clacton. We will see how you get on there.
:08:39. > :08:40.Now, Lib Dem leader Tim Farron was on TV earlier today
:08:41. > :08:43.and he was asked again about an issue that he's been
:08:44. > :08:45.asked about repeatedly - his attitude to homosexuality.
:08:46. > :08:55.when they asked you whether gay sex was a sin.
:08:56. > :08:57.Come on, Robert, I've been asked this question loads
:08:58. > :09:01.few days and I have been clear, even in the House of Commons,
:09:02. > :09:11.It's possible I'm not the only person getting tired
:09:12. > :09:15.Probably, but then why don't you just close it down?
:09:16. > :09:27.Toby Young, why does he get into such a mess over this? I mean, he is
:09:28. > :09:31.leader of the Liberal Democrats. Its 2017. I guess the reason he keeps
:09:32. > :09:35.refusing to answer that question is because what the implication is that
:09:36. > :09:42.he does think that homosexual acts are sinful, and he cannot bring
:09:43. > :09:46.himself not to say that, or to say what Robert Peston and others want
:09:47. > :09:50.him to say because he is an evangelical Christian who converted
:09:51. > :09:53.at the age of 20, 21, and clearly he really struggles with this issue and
:09:54. > :09:57.I think it will be really difficult for the Lib Dems to promote, or even
:09:58. > :10:00.Lib Dem candidates like Vince Cable, to promote the idea of the
:10:01. > :10:04.Progressive Alliance even though Tim has ruled it out, if he is not
:10:05. > :10:13.prepared to say I don't think homosexual acts are sinful. What is
:10:14. > :10:16.your view? It is disastrous if that is what he really thinks but Preston
:10:17. > :10:18.did not push the hard. I'm not sure he understood the difference about
:10:19. > :10:21.the question between gay sex and being gay. I think he just thought
:10:22. > :10:25.he was going on saying I'm not anti-gay. He needs to command
:10:26. > :10:29.immediately and clarify it. If you are right and he does actually think
:10:30. > :10:33.it is a sin he is in real trouble. There is a slight parallel with what
:10:34. > :10:37.police said before about Jeremy Corbyn, how his unilateral nuclear
:10:38. > :10:42.policy would appeal to the hard core of the left. The problem for Tim
:10:43. > :10:47.Farron with what he is saying here, while he is an evangelical
:10:48. > :10:54.Christian, this will not appeal to traditional Liberal Democrats. An
:10:55. > :10:58.LGBT community member cannot possibly vote for an MP who believes
:10:59. > :11:02.that a sexual act between homosexuals is sinful. He has not
:11:03. > :11:06.made that clear. Of course, he wants to stop Brexit as well so he is
:11:07. > :11:09.neither liberal nor democratic. He will have seven weeks to make it
:11:10. > :11:14.clear because I am sure he will be asked again. We have the chairman of
:11:15. > :11:19.the Conservative Party on earlier, Polly. An important figure for the
:11:20. > :11:23.Tory campaign. What did you make of what he said? I don't think he will
:11:24. > :11:27.have him on very often, he didn't do brilliantly. I think they will bring
:11:28. > :11:31.back chemical Ali, Michael Fallon, he can say anything with a straight
:11:32. > :11:36.face, he can say black is white. Michael Fallon, chemical Ali? Why do
:11:37. > :11:42.you say that? He can absolutely say black is white. For instance if you
:11:43. > :11:49.look back at what he said, you challenged him about the energy
:11:50. > :11:54.policy, when Ed Miliband came out with it, he said any kind of freeze
:11:55. > :11:58.would stop investment, the lights will go out. You have him on, he
:11:59. > :12:04.will say the exact opposite. He is magic at that. But I don't think
:12:05. > :12:11.your guy today was up to the job. If Michael Fallon was chemical Ali, or
:12:12. > :12:17.we should say chemical Fally, Patrick was more like comical Ali.
:12:18. > :12:21.The whole Iraq war is rushing back at me. He is the warm up comedian,
:12:22. > :12:26.there is another six weeks to go, just getting things started. What
:12:27. > :12:30.did you think? I don't think he was too bad, it was difficult for him to
:12:31. > :12:34.say exactly what was in the 2050 manifesto is going to be replicated
:12:35. > :12:37.in the Conservatives' manifesto during this general election, he
:12:38. > :12:40.doesn't want to be seen rowing back on stuff but on the other hand I
:12:41. > :12:44.don't think he can conceal the fact they will be far fewer commitments
:12:45. > :12:48.in this Conservative manifesto than in the last one, as you and I know,
:12:49. > :12:56.it was full of rash promises last time because they thought they would
:12:57. > :12:59.have to trade a lot of them away in the negotiations with the Liberal
:13:00. > :13:01.Democrats to form a second coalition so they are saddled with policies
:13:02. > :13:03.they don't particularly want to be hemmed in by. The forthcoming
:13:04. > :13:06.Conservative manifesto will be much lighter and shorter with fewer
:13:07. > :13:10.commitments. Different? Some stuff jumped from the 2050 manifesto? I
:13:11. > :13:13.think so but we will see a commitment to run schools to
:13:14. > :13:16.overcome that hurdle in the next parliament and I don't think, in
:13:17. > :13:20.spite of what you think, Polly, that it will be a hard tack to the right.
:13:21. > :13:25.I think if anything the mood music of the Conservative manifesto will
:13:26. > :13:29.be a centrist inclusive one. The mood music will be because the
:13:30. > :13:32.specifics would be there. She is good at saying governing for
:13:33. > :13:37.everybody and the many and not the few but when you look at the hard
:13:38. > :13:40.facts of what her and Hammond's budget looks like, you look at her
:13:41. > :13:48.hard Brexit, it's a very different story. Or that, the music has
:13:49. > :13:55.stopped for this week! Thank you. I will be back next week at the normal
:13:56. > :13:59.time of 11am on Sunday morning. On BBC One The Daily Politics is back
:14:00. > :14:03.at midday tomorrow and we will be on every day next week on BBC Two.
:14:04. > :14:32.Remember, if it's Sunday, it is The Sunday Politics.
:14:33. > :14:35.There'll be a couple of hours of just fantastic music, really,
:14:36. > :14:38.all the Ella classics, as well as some very special guests,
:14:39. > :14:41.we have Mica Paris, Imelda May, Dame Cleo Laine
:14:42. > :14:47.'There's a side to Rory that the public doesn't see.
:14:48. > :14:51.'Rory has suspected for some time that he may have ADHD.
:14:52. > :15:00.Here we have the first hydrogen bomb that went into service with