:01:29. > :01:34.Here: One of our most respected universities heads a task force on
:01:34. > :01:44.for students and does our ambulance need a fast response as it loses
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:01:44. > :37:55.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2170 seconds
:37:55. > :37:58.Hello and welcome. Coming up: In the middle of the controversial
:37:58. > :38:03.reorganisation of East Anglia's ambulance service, its chief
:38:03. > :38:08.executive steps down. He has always been good to deal with and they
:38:08. > :38:13.paid tribute to him, but there is something wrong with the way in
:38:13. > :38:16.which there ambulance trust has delivered its service in North week.
:38:16. > :38:20.The university in our region heading up the Task Force
:38:20. > :38:28.Consulting on the immigration status of students from overseas.
:38:28. > :38:33.First, let us meet our guest, Stewart Jackson is the Conservative
:38:33. > :38:37.MP for Peterborough. Let us start with the news that we are able to
:38:37. > :38:41.batter a burglar without fear of prosecution is the force is
:38:41. > :38:48.reasonable. The most high-profile case involved Tony Martin jailed
:38:48. > :38:53.after shooting an intruder at his farmhouse in 1999. This week, he
:38:53. > :38:57.welcomed the change. We are supposed to live in a democratic
:38:57. > :39:04.society. Maybe what is going on today, they are trying to put
:39:04. > :39:11.decency back into democracy. Tim, this is a bit of a crowd pleaser,
:39:11. > :39:16.isn't it? Very much so. Nobody wants to see innocent people go to
:39:16. > :39:23.jail because they have to send -- defended themselves in their own
:39:24. > :39:31.home, but I worry that it doesn't become an open licence to tackle
:39:31. > :39:34.anyone in your home or garden by mistake - in a garden in particular,
:39:34. > :39:41.somebody could find themselves being attacked.
:39:41. > :39:45.We have gone from hiding a hoody to battering a burglar. It is a
:39:45. > :39:51.realisation that the public were significantly concerned that the
:39:51. > :39:58.balance was tilting towards the criminal and away from the victim.
:39:58. > :40:04.Chris Froome will take a more nuanced position -- Chris Grayling.
:40:04. > :40:09.But there are only a handful of cases like this anyway. And to be
:40:09. > :40:14.fair, the Crown Prosecution Service looks at each individual case in
:40:14. > :40:20.that way. Nevertheless, the key words are "grossly
:40:20. > :40:23.disproportionate" and providing we keep that in mind, it will reassure
:40:23. > :40:27.householders that the law is on their side and if they do a
:40:27. > :40:33.reasonable thing, confronting a burglar with a weapon in the middle
:40:33. > :40:37.of the night, you are going to possibly behave unreasonably. But
:40:37. > :40:41.this will reassure people the law is on there side of the law abiding
:40:41. > :40:46.citizen. This week, the chief executive of
:40:46. > :40:52.the East of England ambulance trust is standing down only a month after
:40:52. > :41:00.-- the staff passed a vote of no confidence. There has been growing
:41:00. > :41:06.criticism over the service and, in particular, response times. These
:41:06. > :41:11.other stations around the region at presence with the original double
:41:11. > :41:16.staff to ambulance service. Half of them may change, possibly to a
:41:16. > :41:21.rapid response vehicle with one member of staff. Managers insist it
:41:22. > :41:26.will not affect quality of service. An ambulance crew on the way to
:41:26. > :41:34.another emergency, but as the number of calls grows the budget
:41:34. > :41:37.shrinks. The East of England ambulance services Ned -- needs to
:41:37. > :41:44.save �50 million over five years and that could be tricky because it
:41:44. > :41:49.already seems as if it is at full strength at times -- full-stretch.
:41:49. > :41:57.This man's neighbour collapsed and lay face down in the rain for
:41:57. > :42:04.three-and a-half hours. Neighbours were looking out, they
:42:04. > :42:10.haven't come yet. No sign. It is just incredible. This is 12 -- 2012
:42:10. > :42:12.not 1912. If the wrong weight but this baby's life in danger. The
:42:12. > :42:17.mother needed an emergency Caesarean and an ambulance was
:42:17. > :42:22.called but did not turn up for nearly two hours. Riley is now
:42:22. > :42:28.doing well but his grandmother is worried other families may suffer
:42:28. > :42:33.if ambulance budgets are cut. worries me a lot because if the
:42:33. > :42:38.resources had not been as stretched, there would not be an issue getting
:42:38. > :42:43.an ambulance to him. In both cases, the ambulance service apologised
:42:43. > :42:49.and said lessons would be learned. But it has intensified worries
:42:49. > :42:53.about the effect of saving �50 million. So how is the service in
:42:53. > :42:58.to say that money? Calls are prioritised. If a patient's life is
:42:58. > :43:03.in danger, the service will try to reach them within eight minutes. If
:43:03. > :43:08.not, the patient may wait longer for a different type of vehicle or
:43:08. > :43:14.be given advice over the phone. This, says the ambulance service,
:43:14. > :43:20.is already saving 900 and necessary ambulance journeys a week. These
:43:20. > :43:27.days, different types of vehicles respond. You have the frontline
:43:27. > :43:31.ambulance with a crew of two - it ignition and a paramedic. There is
:43:31. > :43:37.also a rapid response vehicle driven by a paramedic and that has
:43:37. > :43:41.the equipment the same as an ambulance. Also, blanket 24 hour
:43:41. > :43:45.cover will end and vehicles and staff will move to areas where
:43:45. > :43:51.demand is greatest. Managers say savings will make the service
:43:51. > :43:57.better. They also say those living in rural areas have nothing to fear.
:43:57. > :44:01.Those areas whose research -- resources are changing does not
:44:01. > :44:06.mean they will get a worse or different service, but it means we
:44:06. > :44:11.will were closely with our partners to make sure we can provide the
:44:11. > :44:17.right level of service. I members are telling us they are being sent
:44:17. > :44:22.further to respond to jobs. That means patients already are waiting
:44:23. > :44:27.for a longer period of time. Last week, the chief executive of the
:44:27. > :44:33.East of England ambulance trust stood down one month after staff
:44:33. > :44:37.passed a vote of no confidence. The Department of Health, meanwhile,
:44:37. > :44:43.says the savings the service faces are part of savings being made
:44:43. > :44:49.across the whole of the NHS. The EEAS says it will have to do more
:44:49. > :44:55.with less. Earlier this week, Chris Bond spoke
:44:55. > :45:04.to Norman Lamb who has been actively campaigning over cuts in
:45:04. > :45:08.his constituency. She began by asking about the Chief executive
:45:08. > :45:14.quitting his job. He has always been courteous and good to deal
:45:14. > :45:20.with, but I met with the ambulance trust a year redo, making clear my
:45:20. > :45:25.concerns about response times in rural Norfolk. One year on, we
:45:25. > :45:31.haven't achieved the up - where improvements we were hoping for. It
:45:31. > :45:35.is an enormous area the service is covering. The last government
:45:35. > :45:38.decided to amalgamate ambulance trusts to create a mammoth area. We
:45:38. > :45:44.need strong leadership to make sure the service delivers the care
:45:44. > :45:48.people need. You are campaigning about the reorganisation of the
:45:48. > :45:56.ambulance service, but it is your department, the Department of
:45:56. > :46:02.Health, that is courting -- causing the savings to be made had do you
:46:02. > :46:10.square that circle? The government has ring-fenced government spending
:46:10. > :46:14.so there has been no cut, but a marginal increase. Every year,
:46:14. > :46:19.because of the ageing population, costs keep going up so reform is
:46:19. > :46:25.necessary to make the money go further. Do the paramedics and so
:46:25. > :46:30.on understand that you have almost a foot in both camps? Of course
:46:30. > :46:34.there are enormous challenges. I'm doing it as a member of parliament
:46:34. > :46:38.for North Norfolk and I have a responsibility to represent those
:46:38. > :46:42.people to make sure the service is of high quality in gets the care to
:46:42. > :46:47.people when they needed. That is my job as Member of Parliament. As
:46:47. > :46:52.Minister in the Department of Health, it is a question of how we
:46:52. > :46:58.ensure the NHS remains sustainable. Isn't he being hypocritical there
:46:58. > :47:05.some what? I couldn't possibly comment on that particularly. He is
:47:05. > :47:10.well known as a diligent and hard- working constituency MP. But, yes,
:47:10. > :47:16.you could say he also has to robustly defend government policy.
:47:16. > :47:20.He touches on an important point about the size of the region. He
:47:20. > :47:25.also probably would make reference to the fact that there is a mixture
:47:25. > :47:33.of rural and urban and we are a fast-growing population. I want to
:47:33. > :47:40.put that to Tim Hagen. Your area is a rural. Can we expect the same
:47:40. > :47:44.service in rural areas? We should expect a good level of service that
:47:44. > :47:52.meets patients' needs. I was talking to ambulance drivers a few
:47:52. > :47:57.weeks ago and they told me that, on the basis of expected demand, they
:47:57. > :48:02.might be in King's Lynn or Newmarket the next moment or
:48:02. > :48:09.shunted took Ipswich. When that happens, apart from tiredness, it
:48:09. > :48:14.leaves a lack of, -- cover in rural areas. In my area, if they are in
:48:14. > :48:21.King's Lynn, it is no use to a patient who need -- needs an
:48:22. > :48:27.ambulance in Newmarket. contributor said it is not 1912 but
:48:27. > :48:32.2012. Coalition funding is having an impact on the health service and,
:48:32. > :48:36.in particular, on ambulance services. To wait three hours when
:48:36. > :48:40.someone is possibly in a life threatening situation, I can't
:48:40. > :48:45.believe there isn't someone who could have got that person to get
:48:45. > :48:55.them to hospital. Are you saying that is what people have to resort
:48:55. > :49:00.to doing? No, I'm just saying... That is ridiculous! There should be
:49:01. > :49:06.a level of help. The ambulance service can't be everywhere and
:49:06. > :49:10.people need to understand that There are walk-in centres, clinics,
:49:10. > :49:15.hospitals and accident and emergency departments they
:49:15. > :49:22.themselves can reach. It is a factor of a huge growth in
:49:22. > :49:26.population... What we are talking about is a bus service cut with our
:49:26. > :49:30.out-of-hours GP services being reduced. It means people have less
:49:30. > :49:36.means of getting to that service. We will keep you informed about
:49:36. > :49:41.that. The future of foreign students in
:49:41. > :49:46.our universities. According to migration watch, foreign students
:49:46. > :49:51.contribute millions of pounds to the economy of the East. Weeks
:49:51. > :49:55.before the new term started, the UK Border Agency decided to revoke
:49:55. > :50:00.London Metropolitan he's -- Metropolitan's universities licence
:50:00. > :50:03.causing concern over the future of the whole sector. The question for
:50:03. > :50:09.the government is whether to count foreign students in immigration
:50:09. > :50:14.figures or not. East Anglia will be taking a leading role in shaping
:50:14. > :50:19.government policy. Its results day here at the
:50:19. > :50:29.International Centre ate in Norwich. Around 17% of students are from
:50:29. > :50:30.
:50:30. > :50:36.outside the EU here on a long-term visa. The best thing about here is
:50:36. > :50:45.that... It it is a beautiful chapter in a person's life. He's
:50:45. > :50:49.students have fees ranging from -- up to �24,000 a year. It can bring
:50:49. > :50:55.an extra �16 million to the local economy. But here they say it is
:50:55. > :50:59.not just about the money. A number of graduates go back to their
:50:59. > :51:03.country's and become very good ambassadors with a nascent --
:51:03. > :51:08.natural inclination to do business and a cultural affiliation to this
:51:09. > :51:16.country. The London Metropolitan or -- Metropolitan University was
:51:16. > :51:20.stripped of its Visa status ability in the summer. Some cases, students
:51:20. > :51:24.just did not turn up to classes. Here, they are leading the charge
:51:25. > :51:30.against what they say is a heavy- handed Home Office attitude. It
:51:30. > :51:34.could damage for ever the academic and cultural benefits that
:51:34. > :51:40.international students bring. Across the East, 17 smaller schools
:51:40. > :51:45.and colleges have had their licences to grind feeders revoked
:51:45. > :51:49.since 2009 -- grant visas. One professor who has been appointed to
:51:49. > :51:55.chair a task force looking at these is his calling for a change to the
:51:55. > :52:00.way student numbers are counted. would like them to remove
:52:00. > :52:06.University sponsors from their net migration target and say this bit
:52:06. > :52:11.of so-called migration we actively wish to grow. The Home Office,
:52:11. > :52:21.however, told us it will not remove students from the immigration
:52:21. > :52:26.
:52:26. > :52:31.The system puts the UK in line with other countries. The net migration
:52:31. > :52:39.figure is exactly the same with other countries in the way it is
:52:39. > :52:42.calculated. The United States, Canada, Australia all include
:52:42. > :52:48.students in their net migration figures. There is no reason why we
:52:48. > :52:52.shouldn't. For the government it is about getting the balance right.
:52:52. > :52:57.course we need to have a rigorous these the system and the vice-
:52:57. > :53:03.chancellors would agree with that. We need to make the most of what is
:53:03. > :53:08.a brilliant heritage that Britain has in our outstanding universities
:53:08. > :53:12.and sell that around the world. Meanwhile, the task force's working
:53:12. > :53:19.on a system to count how many students on visas leave the country
:53:19. > :53:22.each year. Labour's former higher education
:53:22. > :53:25.minister joins us and the Vice Chancellor of the University of
:53:25. > :53:34.Bedfordshire. Bill, what percentage of your
:53:34. > :53:38.students are from non-EU countries? About 5,500. Very significant. I
:53:38. > :53:43.think overseas students at die university and across the country
:53:43. > :53:48.bring enormous benefits to universities and students and to
:53:48. > :53:53.our economy. Overseas students are worth about �8 billion a year to
:53:53. > :53:59.the UK economy apart from the other benefits that we want our British
:53:59. > :54:04.students to have a global mindset and skill set. Living, working and
:54:04. > :54:09.studying with students from other nationalities is a positive benefit.
:54:09. > :54:13.But I universities like yours using students to prop up finances?
:54:13. > :54:19.will not delight there is a financial element but it is broader
:54:19. > :54:23.than that. At a time when public funding is being cut back, overseas
:54:23. > :54:28.students bring financial income strains, but we want our students
:54:28. > :54:32.to integrate and have connections internationally. As was said on
:54:32. > :54:36.your piece, when the students go home, they link back to the
:54:36. > :54:41.university they study being. The connections they have made also and
:54:41. > :54:47.that is a powerful benefit to us as a country. Are you in denial about
:54:47. > :54:52.the concerns over immigration controls? No, I was a member of
:54:52. > :54:57.parliament for 13 years and the biggest element of my postbag was
:54:57. > :55:02.concerns about illegal immigration, but overseas students are not the
:55:02. > :55:05.same. They are here for a short period of time for a specific
:55:05. > :55:11.educational purpose and I don't see why we should lump them together
:55:11. > :55:14.with other migrants and actively tried to reduce them. You need to
:55:14. > :55:19.reduce illegal immigration and I understand the argument for
:55:20. > :55:25.reducing other forms of migration, but overseas students bring us a
:55:25. > :55:31.real benefit. Stewart Jackson, is and revoking licences an over
:55:31. > :55:34.reaction? No, not at all. Bill will know it was an open secret under
:55:34. > :55:39.the last government that there were language schools and other scores
:55:39. > :55:44.and colleges that were trading on illegal immigration. To give them
:55:44. > :55:49.their due, they did begin to tackle that. The ID you can disregard
:55:49. > :55:54.students as being part of the overall Immigration past the --
:55:54. > :55:59.package is nonsense. The problem was never ignored and there were
:55:59. > :56:04.changes rightly made to tackle bogus colleges. If you listen to
:56:04. > :56:09.the argument made about removing university overseas students from
:56:09. > :56:15.the migration cab, it is university overseas students and not those
:56:15. > :56:20.studying in private colleges or schools. -- cap. There is a real
:56:20. > :56:26.benefit in having legitimate overseas students studying at I
:56:26. > :56:29.universities. Tim, the colleges here in the he's that lost their
:56:29. > :56:34.licences said they pulled out because the situation became too
:56:34. > :56:40.complicated. We heard the rules had been changed over a dozen times and
:56:40. > :56:45.this is affecting the whole sector, isn't it? When we look at the World
:56:45. > :56:52.few and our competitiveness, if this is the message we are sending
:56:52. > :56:59.out, that we put owners burdened so on students, that is the first
:56:59. > :57:03.message they get -- own arrest burdens. We need to be much better
:57:03. > :57:07.at bringing in students with a minimal fuss and making sure
:57:07. > :57:12.processes are in place so that they return afterwards with a good view
:57:12. > :57:16.of the world. I was on the Public Accounts Committee when we looked
:57:16. > :57:22.at this a few months ago and died tackled the gentleman from the
:57:22. > :57:27.London School of Economics it was 0.3% of the income thereby getting
:57:27. > :57:32.from students and the cost of processing visas. There is a lot of
:57:32. > :57:37.what you might call an enlightened self- interest. My challenge to the
:57:37. > :57:42.universities are, why aren't you developing more bursaries book
:57:42. > :57:48.students in the UK? We are bringing in millions of pounds a year into
:57:48. > :57:53.the UK economy. Shouldn't we encourage more UK students to go to
:57:54. > :57:58.these universities? Yes, we should. At a university we have the best
:57:58. > :58:01.scholarship programme in the country, but we are capped on the
:58:01. > :58:07.number of home students we can admit by the government. There is
:58:07. > :58:16.not a trade-off between home and overseas students. Home students
:58:16. > :58:26.sometimes prop up causes that otherwise would not run -- overseas
:58:26. > :58:26.
:58:26. > :58:32.students, but -- prop up some causes that might otherwise not one
:58:32. > :58:38.-- and run. Now, the The Week in 60 Seconds.
:58:38. > :58:47.The wheat crops failed and food prices are set to soar so the
:58:47. > :58:50.former agriculture minister was praised at the conference.
:58:50. > :58:59.deserves our praise for bringing farmers and processors together
:58:59. > :59:03.before agreeing a code of practice. Councillors -- Business welcomed
:59:03. > :59:08.plans for �22 million worth of investment clearing bottlenecks.
:59:08. > :59:13.We have identified six schemes which will ease the congestion and
:59:13. > :59:21.improve the safety record. As the anniversary of the Battle of Dale
:59:21. > :59:26.Farm approach is, Eric Pickles has plans to stop travellers in illegal
:59:26. > :59:36.sites in their tracks. A new instant stop notice will allow
:59:36. > :59:40.councils to issue finds to those who defy a planning laws.
:59:40. > :59:45.Notices and finds, will they stop travellers parking on illegal
:59:45. > :59:53.sites? I doubt it, because in many occasions they do have nowhere else
:59:53. > :59:58.to go. They have to step up to the plate. Will it work chasing
:59:58. > :00:04.travellers for fines? You need to have a policy that is tough and has
:00:04. > :00:09.a bit of a carrot aspect to it. We need to give financial incentives
:00:09. > :00:15.to local authorities to make greater provision for travellers
:00:15. > :00:18.because there isn't that incentive at the moment. In fact, the problem
:00:18. > :00:24.of travellers and unauthorised encampments is prevalent across our
:00:25. > :00:28.region. So the key is to provide more funding and site? And also be