:00:36. > :00:46.Jeremy Corbyn insists he can re-unite the Labour Party if he wins
:00:47. > :00:48.the leadership contest next week, but, as threats to deselect MPs
:00:49. > :00:51.opposed to Mr Corbyn come to light, is Labour heading for meltdown?
:00:52. > :00:55.She won the Ukip leadership on Friday, and by Saturday
:00:56. > :00:58.was facing internecine spats and calls for her to ditch
:00:59. > :01:03.So how can Diane James pull her party together,
:01:04. > :01:05.and what's the point of Ukip post-Brexit?
:01:06. > :01:11.Theresa May insists she doesn't need to call a fresh election,
:01:12. > :01:16.so will she deliver every promise made in the 2015
:01:17. > :01:26.We've updated our Manifesto Tracker to check how much of it
:01:27. > :01:31.the Government is delivering, and how much it has been junked.
:01:32. > :01:36.In London, the fightback began 12 months ago but they finished fifth
:01:37. > :01:38.in the London assembly election. Is it all over for the Lib Dems in the
:01:39. > :01:44.capital? And with me, as always,
:01:45. > :01:46.the best and the brightest political panel in the business -
:01:47. > :01:49.Tim Shipman, Helen Lewis and Isabel Oakeshott,
:01:50. > :01:50.who'll be tweeting throughout the programme using
:01:51. > :01:55.the hashtag #BBCSP. By this time next week we'll know
:01:56. > :01:57.whether Jeremy Corbyn will remain Labour leader,
:01:58. > :01:59.or if his challenger, Owen Smith, Whoever wins, they face a big
:02:00. > :02:07.challenge to reunite the party after months of hostilities
:02:08. > :02:09.between Corbyn supporters in the grassroots and
:02:10. > :02:16.the majority of Labour MPs. Tomorrow, two television
:02:17. > :02:19.documentaries are scheduled to air - on BBC One and Channel 4 -
:02:20. > :02:22.which report on the Speaking to the BBC's deputy
:02:23. > :02:25.political editor John Pienaar for Panorama, Len McClusky,
:02:26. > :02:32.general secretary of the Unite union, said opponents
:02:33. > :02:34.of Mr Corbyn need to get back Some of the MPs have behaved
:02:35. > :02:40.absolutely despicably and disgracefully,
:02:41. > :02:42.and they've not shown any respect So those vocal dissidents
:02:43. > :02:49.who do not show the respect to the leader that you describe,
:02:50. > :02:51.when it comes to deselection they would simply be
:02:52. > :02:55.asking for it, you say? I think they would, I think anybody
:02:56. > :02:58.who behaves in a way that is totally disrespectful,
:02:59. > :03:03.and outwith the culture of the Labour Party,
:03:04. > :03:05.is basically asking to be Meanwhile, Channel 4's Dispatches
:03:06. > :03:14.programme secretly filmed a meeting of Momentum activists in London -
:03:15. > :03:20.that's the organisation set up to support Jeremy Corbyn's
:03:21. > :03:22.leadership, where the former chairman of the Brighton Labour
:03:23. > :03:25.Party set out his views on opponents of Corbyn,
:03:26. > :03:26.including the local And we've been joined by the Labour
:03:27. > :04:29.MP for Hove, Peter Kyle. Are you nervous about your future? I
:04:30. > :04:34.have seen that clip for the first time now. I made three promises when
:04:35. > :04:37.I was up for selection, that I would be the hardest working candidate,
:04:38. > :04:41.bring politics back to the high street and engage with the public in
:04:42. > :04:44.a way that they never had in the constituency before, and beat the
:04:45. > :04:48.Tories, and I have done all three of those things. I have been incredibly
:04:49. > :04:51.hard-working with my team to make sure politics is driven deeper and
:04:52. > :04:57.wider into the local constituency than it ever has been before. We are
:04:58. > :05:07.more inclusive than any point before and more hard-working... I want to
:05:08. > :05:10.ask you another question... If they want to get me out of that seat,
:05:11. > :05:13.they have to work hard to do so. Is there an organised campaign to
:05:14. > :05:15.remove you? You have just seen the chair of my local party talking in a
:05:16. > :05:19.secret meeting somewhere to have me ousted, so clearly there is a
:05:20. > :05:23.movement locally. I have been a member of the Labour Party my whole
:05:24. > :05:25.life, there are people who have fought for other parties their whole
:05:26. > :05:29.lives who have joined in the last few weeks and are trying to beat the
:05:30. > :05:34.Labour Party in a different way, by getting rid of me. I am going to
:05:35. > :05:45.carry on doing my job. They are trying to get rid of
:05:46. > :05:50.you, aren't they? They are trying to get rid of the only Labour seat for
:05:51. > :05:52.a 200 mile stretch of coastline. That is extraordinary, we are
:05:53. > :05:55.surrounded down there by Tories and they are aiming fire at a Labour MP
:05:56. > :05:57.working harder than any other down there, trying to solve problems of
:05:58. > :05:59.the rail, the health service, hosting a debate last week about
:06:00. > :06:02.abuse in the family Court against women, all of these core issues for
:06:03. > :06:06.the Labour Party and that is what they are aiming fire act. It does
:06:07. > :06:12.not seem to make any difference of Mr Sandall, who was the head of the
:06:13. > :06:19.constituency, who was once suspended, he says he does not --
:06:20. > :06:24.you do not represent them any more? He said I did not support the
:06:25. > :06:28.doctors, I did, I took the line given by Heidi Alexander at the
:06:29. > :06:32.time, which was not to go to the particular picket line. I have held
:06:33. > :06:37.round tables with doctors, spoken in the chamber about doctors. He said a
:06:38. > :06:42.list of different areas where I have not supported the Labour socialist
:06:43. > :06:46.left line, every one of them he is absolutely categorically wrong. On
:06:47. > :06:51.rail renationalisation, I have never spoken against it. I said it cannot
:06:52. > :06:54.happen for ten years so in the meantime I am making sure I can make
:06:55. > :06:58.people's journeys home from work better than the journey to work,
:06:59. > :07:04.which is what people expect. Who will have the support, you all the
:07:05. > :07:08.people who want to get wood of you? I don't think about that for a
:07:09. > :07:13.second, my job is to represent the people who elected me. There is a
:07:14. > :07:18.34% increase in the Labour vote in Hove because of the way that my team
:07:19. > :07:24.ran the campaign. But they know all that and they still want rid of you.
:07:25. > :07:28.Clive Lewis, fellow Labour MP, said to the BBC this morning it is
:07:29. > :07:29.democratic selection. There is nothing democratic about what they
:07:30. > :07:50.are doing, there is nothing reaching out about
:07:51. > :07:53.what they are doing. Jeremy is the first person I have come across who
:07:54. > :07:56.uses an olive branch as a weapon to beat people with. On the same day
:07:57. > :07:59.they hold out an olive branch, they released a list of MPs who they say
:08:00. > :08:02.hate Jeremy. This is not the kind of inclusive leadership I would expect.
:08:03. > :08:05.If you face a battle to hold your seat, you don't expect any help from
:08:06. > :08:08.Jeremy Corbyn? He has come down to Brighton and said he would not stand
:08:09. > :08:10.in the way of my deselection. I am 100% focused on delivering for the
:08:11. > :08:13.people he elected me and I represent, that is what I am in
:08:14. > :08:16.politics for, so if they want to defeat me they have to work harder
:08:17. > :08:20.than me for the constituency, just like the Tories would have to do.
:08:21. > :08:25.You have made that point several times. You talk about being one of
:08:26. > :08:29.the few Labour seats in a sea of Conservative seats in what in McLeod
:08:30. > :08:34.used to call the deep South, he did that for a reason, but isn't your
:08:35. > :08:40.Brighton and Hove Labour party a bit of a basket case? There have been
:08:41. > :08:45.examples of abusive behaviour, in ballot, the NEC suspended it in
:08:46. > :08:48.July, it is a bit of a mess. When I go out campaigning, which is every
:08:49. > :08:52.weekend, I have a massive team around me, I am part of an
:08:53. > :08:56.incredible movement in Brighton and Hove, and the vast majority of
:08:57. > :08:58.people in the Labour Party in Brighton and nationwide want to do
:08:59. > :09:03.the right thing, they care about social values and delivering it. We
:09:04. > :09:07.just have to win the argument but we have to be more electable and Jeremy
:09:08. > :09:21.is not showing the calibre of leadership that the
:09:22. > :09:25.official opposition needs, the Labour Party needs, and the country
:09:26. > :09:27.needs to look to if we are going to make the leap from opposition into
:09:28. > :09:30.power. Thank you for being with us this morning. Later in the programme
:09:31. > :09:32.we hope to be joined by James Schneider of Momentum.
:09:33. > :09:38.Allen, how typical is this situation? Are a number of Labour
:09:39. > :09:42.MPs now going to face deselection challenges? I think lots of people
:09:43. > :09:45.in the PLP are worried, more of them are women than men, I don't know if
:09:46. > :09:49.that is coincidence or speaks to something broader, but the boundary
:09:50. > :09:53.changes give golden opportunity for some rethinking, Jeremy Corbyn is
:09:54. > :10:00.talking about selection. The idea if you have a boundary change, if you
:10:01. > :10:03.have 40%, your steak on the seat is the same but anybody not in that
:10:04. > :10:07.situation has to play a game of musical chairs and that is seen as a
:10:08. > :10:11.good chance to reconfigure the party. It is good this is coming out
:10:12. > :10:15.into the open because we have heard for months from Jeremy Corbyn's team
:10:16. > :10:19.that this is a terrible smear but it seems to be something that people
:10:20. > :10:25.like Len McCluskey, very close to the Labour leadership, want to
:10:26. > :10:29.happen. It has been denied, but we had Len McCluskey now saying he is
:10:30. > :10:36.up for the changes, particularly for people who have been very rude about
:10:37. > :10:39.Mr Corbyn, Clive Lewis talking it -- calling it democratic selection,
:10:40. > :10:43.Momentum, as we have seen from the film, clearly organising to move in
:10:44. > :10:49.on a number of MPs, it is going to happen? Yes, I think it is, the
:10:50. > :10:53.phrase Clive Lewis used this morning is a natural churn, are turn of
:10:54. > :11:00.phrase which suggest the label -- upheaval. People are saying that
:11:01. > :11:04.Jeremy Corbyn will reach out to all of these people, ask what he has
:11:05. > :11:08.done wrong and bring everybody back together. The people on the other
:11:09. > :11:12.side think that is a chance to line up loyalty pledges. Meanwhile we
:11:13. > :11:15.hear this morning in the newspapers that Corbyn and the people around
:11:16. > :11:20.him had a meeting in a country house a month ago in which they are not
:11:21. > :11:23.just planning to go after MPs but also the leadership of the Labour
:11:24. > :11:26.Party itself in terms of the staffing, the Management, the
:11:27. > :11:31.general secretary is for the high jump, we hear, and the guy they are
:11:32. > :11:39.thinking of lining up for that is one of Mr Paloschi -- Len
:11:40. > :11:42.McCluskey's friends at Unite, you cannot imagine they would put too
:11:43. > :11:46.many barriers in his way. That appears to be what is going on
:11:47. > :11:50.behind the scenes. At every single stage where the moderates say this
:11:51. > :11:54.is the worst thing that could happen, the Corbynistas said, oh,
:11:55. > :12:00.no, it isn't, and you find out something worse is going on. If Mr
:12:01. > :12:04.Corbyn is re-elected comfortably, perhaps by even more of a majority
:12:05. > :12:10.than he was last time, isn't it only natural that they should then work
:12:11. > :12:17.for the MPs to reflect more the views of the new membership? One of
:12:18. > :12:22.the interesting aspects of what is going on it it seems to be the new
:12:23. > :12:26.MPs like Peter Kyle who we have just had on who were under so much threat
:12:27. > :12:29.here, and the reason is because they have not got that hinterland with
:12:30. > :12:36.their party association, they have not built up that long-term trust.
:12:37. > :12:40.One of the things that is furious about this party leadership contest
:12:41. > :12:45.is that normally once a leadership contest is over, it is a cue for a
:12:46. > :13:11.period of stability and calm, it brings things to
:13:12. > :13:15.ahead everybody settles down and falls into line. I think the
:13:16. > :13:17.opposite will happen here. There is absolutely no sign that Jeremy
:13:18. > :13:20.Corbyn's return, as we expect to happen, to the leadership will in
:13:21. > :13:22.some ways take the steam out of this thing. They do have a plan, I think,
:13:23. > :13:25.at the moment, to give the Parliamentary party some more power
:13:26. > :13:27.over the selection of the Shadow Cabinet, and that could be a way of
:13:28. > :13:30.trying to work together better, but I can't see it working. We will talk
:13:31. > :13:32.more about this later. Let's move on to the Conservatives.
:13:33. > :13:35.Theresa May insists her Government will be markedly different
:13:36. > :13:36.from David Cameron's, but doesn't appear to want
:13:37. > :13:39.an early general election to provide her with a new mandate.
:13:40. > :13:41.So, does that mean she'll stick by everything in Conservatives'
:13:42. > :13:44.We've been busy crawling through the promises
:13:45. > :13:46.made by David Cameron, and updated our Manifesto Tracker
:13:47. > :13:49.to check which policies are being pursued and which have been ditched.
:13:50. > :13:52.It's been an eventful period since we launched
:13:53. > :13:56.Britain has voted to leave the EU and a new Prime
:13:57. > :13:58.Minister is in place, but the Conservative Government
:13:59. > :14:01.under Theresa May will still be held to the promises it made ahead
:14:02. > :14:04.of the 2015 general election in their manifesto, and a few other
:14:05. > :14:06.big commitments made during the campaign.
:14:07. > :14:09.And this is how we are keeping track of their progress.
:14:10. > :14:11.We have identified 161 pledges and loaded them into
:14:12. > :14:18.We grouped them into categories covering all the major areas
:14:19. > :14:20.of Government policy, from the constitution
:14:21. > :14:27.And we have given each of the promises a colour rating.
:14:28. > :14:31.Red means little or no progress so far.
:14:32. > :14:36.Amber means the Government has made some progress.
:14:37. > :14:40.While green is for delivered pledges.
:14:41. > :14:43.Let's start by looking at one here in foreign affairs and defence,
:14:44. > :14:55.The promise to hold a referendum on our EU membership.
:14:56. > :14:58.We have changed that to green, as the Government did deliver
:14:59. > :15:00.in June, even if it didn't get the result it wanted.
:15:01. > :15:03.Many of the promises made while David Cameron was leader
:15:04. > :15:05.were based around what he hoped he could achieve in his
:15:06. > :15:08.renegotiation of our relationship with the EU, particularly
:15:09. > :15:17.The manifesto said that EU migrants who want to claim tax credits
:15:18. > :15:20.and child benefits must live here and contribute
:15:21. > :15:27.The deal offered to David Cameron by the rest of the EU was a much
:15:28. > :15:30.weaker version of the pledge, which, like the rest
:15:31. > :15:32.of the renegotiation, was rejected by the voters
:15:33. > :15:40.So we have given this a red, although it is possible
:15:41. > :15:45.the Government could deliver on it once we have left the EU.
:15:46. > :15:49.The same goes for the promise that if a child of an EU migrant
:15:50. > :15:52.is living abroad, they should receive no child benefit
:15:53. > :15:59.David Cameron's renegotiation failed to secure this policy
:16:00. > :16:02.in full and it would be up to Theresa May's Government if it
:16:03. > :16:09.The vote to leave has had big implications for manifesto
:16:10. > :16:14.commitments in other areas, like here in the economy.
:16:15. > :16:17.One of the central promises made by David Cameron
:16:18. > :16:20.and George Osborne was this one, to eliminate the deficit and start
:16:21. > :16:29.But after the Brexit vote, Theresa May confirmed that
:16:30. > :16:32.while the Government aims to achieve a budget surplus,
:16:33. > :16:39.it has dropped the target of doing so by the end
:16:40. > :16:45.Now, those are some areas where the Government has made little
:16:46. > :16:52.Well, it fought a major battle in Parliament to tighten the rules
:16:53. > :16:59.This promise, which said strike action can only be called
:17:00. > :17:02.when at least half the eligible workforce have voted, is now law,
:17:03. > :17:08.As does this one, meaning that strikes affecting essential public
:17:09. > :17:10.services like health, education, fire and transport,
:17:11. > :17:20.will need the backing of at least 40% of those eligible to vote.
:17:21. > :17:23.We have marked the majority of policies as amber,
:17:24. > :17:28.meaning at least some progress is being made.
:17:29. > :17:31.Here in welfare, for example, we have got the Government's
:17:32. > :17:33.flagship reform, universal credit, which has been rolled out
:17:34. > :17:36.for some job-seekers, although the timetable for full
:17:37. > :17:39.delivery has been pushed back repeatedly and is currently
:17:40. > :17:48.And another here, under the environment.
:17:49. > :17:51.That's the promise to create a so-called bluebelt of protected
:17:52. > :17:57.conservation zones in the water around the UK's coast.
:17:58. > :17:59.That has been given amber, as the programme still
:18:00. > :18:05.Now let's see how the Government is doing overall.
:18:06. > :18:07.Out of 161 election commitments, the number of commitments we have
:18:08. > :18:17.The number marked amber falls to 90, and the number of green or delivered
:18:18. > :18:24.We will be returning to the Manifesto Tracker again,
:18:25. > :18:27.but in the meantime you can find all of the data on the politics
:18:28. > :18:35.And you can see the full details of our Manifesto Tracker
:18:36. > :18:46.on the BBC website - that's bbc.co.uk/news.
:18:47. > :18:48.I'm joined by the Conservative Cabinet minister, the leader
:18:49. > :18:52.of the House of Commons, David Lidington.
:18:53. > :19:02.Your biggest manifesto fail to date is immigration, how are you ever
:19:03. > :19:06.going to get net migration below 100,000? A number of different
:19:07. > :19:09.measures and clearly the nature of the renegotiation now as we leave
:19:10. > :19:13.the European Union will have a very important bearing on that, but one
:19:14. > :19:18.thing the Prime Minister set out very clearly is that we remain
:19:19. > :19:23.committed to getting the reduction in net migration that she has talked
:19:24. > :19:27.about consistently, but there's no quick fixes. People come to this
:19:28. > :19:32.country through a number of different routes, son to marry
:19:33. > :19:35.citizens, some for work reasons, some for asylum claims, some of the
:19:36. > :19:38.study, and we have got to look at each of those and work out how we
:19:39. > :19:43.can make sure the numbers are managed and controlled in the way
:19:44. > :19:48.people would expect. But you have been in power for six years and you
:19:49. > :19:52.have been in control of non-EU migration for six years, and it is
:19:53. > :19:59.still running at 190,000 net per year, even on the part of migration
:20:00. > :20:05.you are on complete control, you are nowhere near the 100,000 target.
:20:06. > :20:11.Why? Because in part our economy has been very sexual and other
:20:12. > :20:16.universities have been successful in attracting people to come here. We
:20:17. > :20:21.need to make sure that people, when they come here legitimately, to do a
:20:22. > :20:25.university course or take out a work permit opportunity for a limited
:20:26. > :20:31.period of time, do actually return home after they have completed that
:20:32. > :20:40.time they are permitted here, that we, as we have done, cut the number
:20:41. > :20:46.of bonus colleges... 190,000 net per year of non-EU, and you didn't say
:20:47. > :20:52.we will cut it to 100,000 unless we run the economy well. There were no
:20:53. > :20:57.ifs, no buts, was David Cameron's exact phrase. Can we get some
:20:58. > :21:02.honesty here, this whole project is Mission impossible. The meteor
:21:03. > :21:10.manifesto pledge, you would have to cut EU migration to below 50000 and
:21:11. > :21:15.non-EU migration to below 50,000. It's not going to happen, is it? We
:21:16. > :21:20.are committed to the ambitions, the object of the Prime Minister has set
:21:21. > :21:29.out. I think the public accepts that people who come here bona fides as
:21:30. > :21:34.tourists, workers to fill a skills gap we have got, that's fine but
:21:35. > :21:39.they expect people then to go back after their term here. And they also
:21:40. > :21:42.expect, which we are doing, to make sure school leavers have the
:21:43. > :21:46.opportunity to be trained so they can take the jobs that are
:21:47. > :21:52.available. They expect you to meet the promise you have made twice. He
:21:53. > :21:56.made it in the 2010 manifesto and again in the 2015 manifesto. I think
:21:57. > :22:03.many people watching this will say, why do you repeat a pledge you know
:22:04. > :22:08.you cannot keep? I don't agree it cannot be kept, but what I have said
:22:09. > :22:13.to you is that this is a complex challenge. There are no quick fixes
:22:14. > :22:18.to this, this is something Theresa May has repeatedly said. But just as
:22:19. > :22:24.we have introduced restrictions on access to benefits that we have
:22:25. > :22:27.introduced a requirement for people coming to marry a British citizen to
:22:28. > :22:33.speak English and reach a certain standard before they come here, we
:22:34. > :22:37.need to look at that level of detail at each of the tracks that people
:22:38. > :22:42.used to come here. Net migration is running at three times your target.
:22:43. > :22:46.In the manifesto you said you would insist EU migrants would need to
:22:47. > :22:52.live and work here for four years before they could claim welfare
:22:53. > :22:58.benefits. The EU said no. Now we are leaving the EU, is that the minimum
:22:59. > :23:05.we will insist on? Clearly anything to do with EU citizens already here
:23:06. > :23:09.and prospective inward migration by EU citizens or British citizens to
:23:10. > :23:19.other EU countries is part of the negotiation. Is that still a pledge?
:23:20. > :23:23.That specific pledge was part of the last manifesto, it was actually
:23:24. > :23:28.delivered in a number of different ways through the restrictions that
:23:29. > :23:34.we did place upon, and are still in force, on EU migrants coming here
:23:35. > :23:39.seeking work and getting access to out of work benefits. The big issue
:23:40. > :23:43.at the renegotiation David Cameron lead was access to tax credits and
:23:44. > :23:50.in work benefits. He came to a deal on that which limited it, but that
:23:51. > :23:55.failed after the referendum. It wasn't that you don't get anything
:23:56. > :23:59.unless you have been here for four years, your manifesto also promised
:24:00. > :24:05.the required EU job seekers to leave if they haven't found a job within
:24:06. > :24:18.six months. Will that be fulfilled pledge in this Parliament? That is
:24:19. > :24:23.already a policy we have taken. How many EU citizens have you removed? I
:24:24. > :24:30.think we can agree to close the norm. You have not kept that pledge,
:24:31. > :24:38.EU job seekers are here, aren't they? That is one very important
:24:39. > :24:41.part of the exit negotiation is now under way, but it wouldn't be
:24:42. > :24:45.sensible to give a running commentary on the detail of that.
:24:46. > :24:49.Post Brexit, it would be reasonable to think EU migrants still coming
:24:50. > :24:55.here would be regarded more favourable than non-EU migrants? We
:24:56. > :25:01.were part of the club for 40 years. What they get more favourable
:25:02. > :25:05.treatment if they were EU citizens? That is speculation about what comes
:25:06. > :25:09.out of the negotiation, and we will go into that with a range of
:25:10. > :25:14.objectives, both in terms of control over migration by EU citizens, which
:25:15. > :25:18.I think is what British people expected when they voted as they
:25:19. > :25:22.did, but also with the objective of getting the best possible outcome
:25:23. > :25:27.for British business. On tax and spend, one of the key promises in
:25:28. > :25:32.the manifesto was to move to fiscal surplus from fiscal deficit by the
:25:33. > :25:42.end of the decade, do you still intend to keep that? The PM said she
:25:43. > :25:46.remains committed, but not by the end of the parliament. When you look
:25:47. > :25:49.at the fact there is uncertainty in the world economy, clearly some
:25:50. > :25:52.uncertainty in the aftermath of the referendum outcome, that was a
:25:53. > :26:04.sensible, pragmatic decision to take. So do we have an idea of when
:26:05. > :26:08.the target of surplus will be? The Chancellor will give his Autumn
:26:09. > :26:14.Statement in the next few weeks, and will set out the Government's plan.
:26:15. > :26:20.The pledge to start a move towards surplus in the 2018/19 manifesto, it
:26:21. > :26:32.said we are set to move into surplus of them, that is now off the cards?
:26:33. > :26:36.We are committed to it, but not with that timing. When you set out to a
:26:37. > :26:42.destination, if the traffic conditions say you should take
:26:43. > :26:46.different route, that's what you do. But we don't know if Brexit will be
:26:47. > :26:50.as dire as people like you predicted, so until we do know that,
:26:51. > :26:56.why ditch the planned to head the surplus that you promised the
:26:57. > :27:00.British people? Because there is uncertainty in the world economy. It
:27:01. > :27:04.seems sensible to make that adjustment, but the destination
:27:05. > :27:12.still remains. You have no evidence anything has changed. You work on
:27:13. > :27:15.the basis of evidence remains but Philip will be working on these
:27:16. > :27:24.details in the Autumn Statement shortly. Will Theresa May's ferment
:27:25. > :27:30.continued to implement the 2015 manifesto? Is she committed to it in
:27:31. > :27:34.its entirety as much as David Cameron? Yes, she was very clear out
:27:35. > :27:37.her first cabinet meeting that she wanted every departmental minister
:27:38. > :27:44.to go back to the manifesto on which we were elected with a majority, and
:27:45. > :27:49.to ensure that we were delivering on those objectives. I think your
:27:50. > :27:55.tracker is a good idea. Just not when it comes to the surplus or
:27:56. > :27:59.immigration? One point of the tracker is that it enables you and
:28:00. > :28:03.the public to see where we are making progress, as we are for
:28:04. > :28:07.example on getting more poorer people out of tax and into work and
:28:08. > :28:12.so on, and where we have taken the decision to alter the course of it.
:28:13. > :28:14.I'm glad you think the tracker is a good idea. Come back in the future
:28:15. > :28:17.and we will talk more about it. She says Ukip is the official
:28:18. > :28:19.opposition in waiting. But how can Ukip's new leader,
:28:20. > :28:22.Diane James, stop the infighting and factionalism that's threatened
:28:23. > :28:24.to destroy the party's And what's the point
:28:25. > :28:27.of Ukip now that the UK Diane James joins me
:28:28. > :28:30.live in just a moment. First, Ellie Price reports
:28:31. > :28:32.from Ukip's party conference in Bournemouth, where the new leader
:28:33. > :28:35.moved swiftly to put her stamp It is an absolute pleasure
:28:36. > :28:42.to announce, with 8451 votes, the leader of the UK
:28:43. > :28:48.Independence Party, Diane James! There you have it,
:28:49. > :28:50.the biggest non-surprise in politics in years -
:28:51. > :28:52.Diane James is the She's been the frontrunner in this
:28:53. > :28:56.election campaign all summer. Of course, the challenge now
:28:57. > :28:59.is going to be convincing this lot What I will be doing is stepping
:29:00. > :29:17.into his leadership shoes, but I will be doing everything
:29:18. > :29:22.to achieve the political success that he's handing over to me
:29:23. > :29:26.and to you. But, as the new leader, Diane James
:29:27. > :29:31.knows she has big shoes to fill. Nigel's a great almost wartime
:29:32. > :29:34.leader, he said that during his speech, and I think
:29:35. > :29:37.Diane's a different kind of leader. There's talk of war,
:29:38. > :29:41.there's talk of peace times, but unfortunately there aren't peace
:29:42. > :29:44.times within Ukip at the moment. I think this pretty much
:29:45. > :29:46.settles the issue. Diane is strong on these
:29:47. > :29:48.sorts of issues. In many ways, Nigel
:29:49. > :29:54.was slightly weak, actually. There's really only about four
:29:55. > :29:57.or five people who cause trouble in Ukip, and I'm pretty sure that's
:29:58. > :30:01.the end of the story. But just before a live interview
:30:02. > :30:04.with Ukip's Steven Woolfe, I was literally caught in the middle
:30:05. > :30:07.of what you could describe You've seen and heard what was said
:30:08. > :30:20.in the media, and so... The reason for Neil
:30:21. > :30:25.Hamilton's anger? Diane James had rewritten the next
:30:26. > :30:27.day's conference schedule It certainly seems like a quixotic
:30:28. > :30:34.decision from somebody who an hour or two ago was talking
:30:35. > :30:37.about the need for party unity. He was replaced by his rival
:30:38. > :30:41.in Welsh Ukip. You said to me the other day
:30:42. > :30:44.there would be a bloodbath, Is this the beginning
:30:45. > :30:50.of the bloodbath? I think it's the beginning of Diane
:30:51. > :30:53.putting her foot down, showing that she is the leader,
:30:54. > :30:55.and that she wants the rest of the conference to go the way
:30:56. > :30:59.that she wants it to go. We're fine, just
:31:00. > :31:02.wondering who you are? That's Douglas Carswell,
:31:03. > :31:04.by the way, the party's only MP. The now ex-leader thinks
:31:05. > :31:06.he knows exactly who he is, and was using his new-found
:31:07. > :31:11.freedom to explain. During the referendum campaign,
:31:12. > :31:13.he's really done all he can But the new leader was there,
:31:14. > :31:21.symbolically, to greet him. Damaging comments from
:31:22. > :31:23.Mr Farage this morning, Lots of people in politics say
:31:24. > :31:27.all sorts of things. Diane James was also
:31:28. > :31:31.more than happy to share Diane, I give you 110% of
:31:32. > :31:34.my support. This conference ends
:31:35. > :31:48.on a conciliatory note, and there are signs this
:31:49. > :31:50.party is already moving And we've been joined by
:31:51. > :32:15.the new leader of Ukip, Diane James. Good morning, thank you. What is the
:32:16. > :32:20.point of Ukip? We are the only party 100% committed to Brexit, we have a
:32:21. > :32:23.Tory Government that is still split, a Labour Party that has no idea
:32:24. > :32:28.which direction it is going in. You have what is left of the Liberal
:32:29. > :32:31.Democrats relying on their voice in Europe, their single voice in
:32:32. > :32:35.Europe, to get their message across, and we are the one party that will
:32:36. > :32:39.stand up for the over 17 million people that wanted to leave the
:32:40. > :32:52.European Union, simple. Except that you are dysfunctional? No, we are
:32:53. > :32:55.embarking on a brand-new era, as I said on a conference. I know you
:32:56. > :32:57.will pick up on the changes I made to the programme but the new leader
:32:58. > :33:00.has the prerogative to do that. I understand that, and leaders should
:33:01. > :33:02.lead, but Paul Nuttall, the outgoing deputy leader, has spoken of a
:33:03. > :33:07.cancer at the heart of the party that has led to leading light using
:33:08. > :33:11.Ukip as a football. You have huge problems in Wales, its huge problems
:33:12. > :33:18.with the NEC, an issue with Nathan Gill, with many favoured candidates
:33:19. > :33:22.who ended up not standing, senior colleagues falling out, membership
:33:23. > :33:26.and funding declining, which bit of that is not dysfunctional? Thank you
:33:27. > :33:31.for reminding me of the issues I have got to tackle over the next few
:33:32. > :33:35.weeks. I made it clear in my events around the country that I would have
:33:36. > :33:38.a 100 day plan, focusing on precisely the sort of issues you
:33:39. > :33:43.have outlined. I don't agree with one of them, by any means, but in
:33:44. > :33:47.100 days I hope to be able to show that we are turning a corner and
:33:48. > :33:50.that we are embarking on a new era. You claim you will be the real
:33:51. > :33:57.opposition to Government but you only have one semidetached MP in
:33:58. > :34:02.Westminster, it is delusional? No, it is not, look where we are at this
:34:03. > :34:06.point, potentially four by-elections, we said we would not
:34:07. > :34:11.stand in one out of respect to Jo Cox but three others, look at those
:34:12. > :34:15.by-elections in the context of the dysfunctional position Labour is in,
:34:16. > :34:20.and we are ripe to take those seats. Do you accept your only MP, Douglas
:34:21. > :34:24.Carswell, is pretty semidetached at best? I would not call him
:34:25. > :34:29.semidetached, I heard the speech he gave at the conference, the
:34:30. > :34:31.endorsement he gave me and the endorsement he has given
:34:32. > :34:35.subsequently, and I see him as being a member of the Ukip team going
:34:36. > :34:43.forward. You have asked to move a Private members Bill to invoke
:34:44. > :34:47.article 50, has he agreed? He stated he would do his level best. That is
:34:48. > :34:51.not the same as agreeing. He made the point that there is another
:34:52. > :34:54.option, to repeal the European communities act and instigate a
:34:55. > :34:58.debate on that. We have an individual prepared to launch a two
:34:59. > :35:03.pronged attack in the House of Commons and forced Theresa May into
:35:04. > :35:10.doing something. A two pronged one-man attack. He told me on Friday
:35:11. > :35:14.that Ukip should be, quote, a free-market Libertarian party. If
:35:15. > :35:20.that your vision? If I can remind you, from my speech, my vision is
:35:21. > :35:23.probably slightly different words, it is global, positive, outward
:35:24. > :35:27.looking, enterprise building and making this country great again
:35:28. > :35:34.outside of the EU control. But if it free-market and libertarian? That is
:35:35. > :35:40.his vision, I am trying to work out the vision -- if the vision of your
:35:41. > :35:45.only MP is the same as the new leader? OK, I will say it is the
:35:46. > :35:50.same. So you are free-market and libertarianism? Yes, we are about
:35:51. > :35:54.enterprise Britain... Given the leadership campaign was a policy
:35:55. > :35:59.free zone, what will be the most distinctive policies Ukip will stand
:36:00. > :36:04.for under Diane James? Certainly the issue of migration and immigration,
:36:05. > :36:08.certainly the issue of defence, giving us back the ability to defend
:36:09. > :36:15.this country... These are existing policies? No, these need a major
:36:16. > :36:19.refresh out of EU control. The aspect of Homeland Security, the
:36:20. > :36:22.aspect we have not got a functioning Border Force, we have not got a
:36:23. > :36:30.functioning passport control system, we have even got a Home Secretary
:36:31. > :36:35.continuing the project via aspect of a beaver charge for people going
:36:36. > :36:39.into Europe or coming to the UK. Absolutely bizarre. I am just trying
:36:40. > :36:45.to find out what the policies will be. The major one for me, given my
:36:46. > :36:49.background, the state that the NHS is in, and if we can show a very
:36:50. > :36:54.clear vision and stand up to what Jeremy Hunt is doing in terms of
:36:55. > :36:56.decimating the NHS, I will be delighted. You will agree that is
:36:57. > :37:12.not a policy but an attitude... It is a policy in terms of the NHS.
:37:13. > :37:14.We don't know about the policy because you refused to debate with
:37:15. > :37:16.other candidates during the leadership campaign and campaigned
:37:17. > :37:19.on a no policy platform, white? I launched my own series of national
:37:20. > :37:23.events, nationwide, and I gave members and activists, and, in fact,
:37:24. > :37:27.the press, the media, anybody who wanted to come along, there was not
:37:28. > :37:32.a bar in terms of membership only, to come along and interact with me
:37:33. > :37:36.for two hours. That gave individuals, all of the members in
:37:37. > :37:40.the audience, a solid two hours to scrutinise what I had to say. That
:37:41. > :37:44.was a much higher quality programme that anything hustings would have
:37:45. > :37:49.given. But why not debate with your rivals? Because there was no need,
:37:50. > :37:53.we were not fighting a general election, we were fighting, if you
:37:54. > :37:57.wish to use the phrase, to elect the new leader of Ukip, and I chose to
:37:58. > :38:00.go direct to the members, to interact with them directly and give
:38:01. > :38:06.them quality time with me and respond to all of their questions.
:38:07. > :38:09.Many think Ukip's best chance is to win over disaffected working-class
:38:10. > :38:14.Labour voters in the north, so how does the epitome of the Home
:38:15. > :38:21.Counties bourgeoisie do that? You tell me! It is not my job. I have
:38:22. > :38:26.never heard such convoluted language! Can you simplify that so
:38:27. > :38:30.we know what you are talking about? There have been a number of leaders
:38:31. > :38:33.your party could have chosen, Paul Nuttall, Steven Woolfe, who would
:38:34. > :38:41.have had a clear, more distinct appeal to the north. Paul Michael
:38:42. > :38:48.chose not to stand. You need to ask him his reason. I'm just asking how
:38:49. > :38:52.you will appeal to the North. Steven Woolfe, a superb colleague of mine,
:38:53. > :38:56.regretfully there were issues in terms of getting his information in
:38:57. > :39:00.in time. The point I have made throughout my programme of events is
:39:01. > :39:04.that I want to have two chiefs of staff, people who will ably assist
:39:05. > :39:08.me in developing our programme, our policies, our strategy is to appeal
:39:09. > :39:13.both to the north and also the south. What will you do about Wales,
:39:14. > :39:26.where Ukip seems to be involved in civil war? I will ask Neil Hamilton
:39:27. > :39:29.to focus on Welsh Assembly, on winning the elections in Wales, and
:39:30. > :39:31.I will ask Nathan to continue doing a superb job he does in terms of
:39:32. > :39:34.representing Wales in the European Union and Parliament, and in the
:39:35. > :39:37.voting in Strasbourg. So you will have two Kings? No, Nathan has my
:39:38. > :39:41.complete and utter support, he has had a huge legacy in terms of his
:39:42. > :39:46.membership, a huge wealth of knowledge in terms of the issues
:39:47. > :39:52.facing Wales if Mrs May does not action about to leave the European
:39:53. > :39:58.Union. He has got my full support. Neil, I am asking you, step up to
:39:59. > :40:04.the plate, but focus on Wales and the assembly. One of your party's
:40:05. > :40:11.main funders was an errant banks, in the process of turning leave. EU
:40:12. > :40:14.into a momentum of the right, to mirror the Jeremy Corbyn movement on
:40:15. > :40:26.the left, do you have a problem with that? I have just been elected head
:40:27. > :40:29.of a political party. If he wishes to support a political movement,
:40:30. > :40:34.that is his decision. Other than Vladimir Putin, who is your main
:40:35. > :40:40.political hero? Certainly not Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. I did not
:40:41. > :40:44.ask who was not, who is? I cannot think of anybody apart from Margaret
:40:45. > :40:46.Thatcher and Winston Churchill. Putin, Churchill and Thatcher. We
:40:47. > :40:51.hope to see you again. Thank you. It's just gone 11.40,
:40:52. > :40:53.you're watching the Sunday Politics. We say goodbye to viewers
:40:54. > :40:56.in Scotland, who leave us now Coming up here in 20 minutes,
:40:57. > :40:59.the Week Ahead. First though, the Sunday
:41:00. > :41:07.Politics where you are. Hello and welcome to
:41:08. > :41:10.the London part of the show. Coming up later: The Mayor
:41:11. > :41:15.is in North America drumming up trade deals
:41:16. > :41:19.for the capital, post-Brexit. But will his message be heard
:41:20. > :41:21.amidst the sound and fury Joining me for the duration
:41:22. > :41:30.of the show, Greg Hands, the Conservative MP for Chelsea
:41:31. > :41:34.and Fulham, who is Minister Tom Brake, the Lib Dem
:41:35. > :41:37.MP for Carshalton and Wallington, and Neil Coyle,
:41:38. > :41:39.Labour MP for Bermondsey One issue preoccupying MPs this week
:41:40. > :41:46.- the looming boundary changes, which will mean a cull of 50
:41:47. > :41:49.of the existing 650 MPs, something that will arguably affect
:41:50. > :42:01.London more than any other region. Do you think this is gerrymandering
:42:02. > :42:06.by the Tories? I do, very much so. Not only does it give the Tories an
:42:07. > :42:09.advantage on top of the cuts to funding for political parties and
:42:10. > :42:13.changes in the voter registration system, it fails to take into
:42:14. > :42:18.account population growth in London and the level of casework all
:42:19. > :42:22.oversee cross-party as London MPs that is disproportionate to, for
:42:23. > :42:26.example, bits of Suffolk or Wales. You have to admit it gives you an
:42:27. > :42:45.advantage, Labour will lose more seat in the redrawing of the
:42:46. > :42:48.boundaries and you have not taken into account the latest register?
:42:49. > :42:50.What Labour and the Lib Dems are saying is a total travesty. This is
:42:51. > :42:53.about creating equal sized Parliamentary constituencies which
:42:54. > :42:55.has been a central tenet of British democracy for 200 years since the
:42:56. > :42:57.chartists in the 1830s were campaigning for equal sized... What
:42:58. > :43:00.Neal has said is he wants to go, and Tom, I'm expecting, to a situation
:43:01. > :43:02.where they favour a equal sized constituencies. It is untenable.
:43:03. > :43:04.What is wrong with equal sized constituencies? It should not be
:43:05. > :43:12.fair that one constituency need so many more votes to elect the MP than
:43:13. > :43:14.others? The fact is, we support the principle of equal sized
:43:15. > :43:20.constituencies, no problem with that whatsoever. The issue here is
:43:21. > :43:26.particularly metropolitan areas where there is a very high level of
:43:27. > :43:31.under registration of electors, and therefore the numbers this is based
:43:32. > :43:34.on severely underestimate the number of people in certain areas, and they
:43:35. > :43:39.tend to be perhaps more Labour inclined voting areas than they
:43:40. > :43:43.would be Conservatives. Tom voted for the legislation in 2011 which
:43:44. > :43:50.set the process by which the electorate in 2015 if by statute, by
:43:51. > :43:57.law, the electorate... You brought forward the date... That is what we
:43:58. > :44:02.need to do... Don't talk over each other. Let's be clear, you did bring
:44:03. > :44:06.forward the date, and what that has meant, rightly or wrongly, is that
:44:07. > :44:10.around 2 million voters have not been included, that is true? But the
:44:11. > :44:15.solution from Labour and the Lib Dems would appear to be to go back
:44:16. > :44:22.to the electorate that we use from the year 2000, which by then would
:44:23. > :44:26.be 20 years out of date. If you were interested in equal sized the
:44:27. > :44:29.population, you should be looking at the whole population, so in London
:44:30. > :44:35.and other cities, where there are many more younger people and people
:44:36. > :44:39.from outside the UK living, so you get far more, for example in my
:44:40. > :44:43.constituency I have done in 1400 bits of immigration casework, many
:44:44. > :44:48.of those people cannot register to vote... How is there a system by
:44:49. > :44:52.which there is an equal number of electors... Let me come to this
:44:53. > :44:56.point, what is happening with your seat, Greg, because the mantra of
:44:57. > :45:01.your party, I paraphrase, is no colleague should be left behind, but
:45:02. > :45:06.your seat will be carved up? In my current constituency, it will be
:45:07. > :45:10.divided into two. I will wait and see the process because the boundary
:45:11. > :45:14.map could well be redrawn, it was in the last review, and I will see what
:45:15. > :45:18.the situation looks like in 2018. We will leave it there.
:45:19. > :45:21.A year ago, Tim Farron was elected Lib Dem leader on a new punchy
:45:22. > :45:25.12 months on, and in London the fightback lacked bite,
:45:26. > :45:27.seeing Britain's former third party sink to fifth place
:45:28. > :45:31.Is it all over for the Lib Dems in London?
:45:32. > :45:35.Andrew Cryan has been talking to some of the party's senior figures.
:45:36. > :45:37.Since their disastrous general election last year,
:45:38. > :45:39.there's been big talk from the Liberal Democrats,
:45:40. > :45:49.But, at its first big test in London, May's
:45:50. > :45:51.election for City Hall, they came fourth in the mayoral race
:45:52. > :45:58.Yes, we would love to have done a little better in the Assembly
:45:59. > :46:00.elections but Caroline Pidgeon is a wonderful leader for us
:46:01. > :46:03.here in London, whose voice really cut through.
:46:04. > :46:06.But I think the moment the Liberal Democrats' fortunes
:46:07. > :46:09.in London transformed was the moment after the referendum,
:46:10. > :46:12.when it became very clear to the people of London
:46:13. > :46:16.that the only party backing our future in Europe, still believing
:46:17. > :46:20.there is a possibility that we can have a vote that could keep us
:46:21. > :46:22.in the European Union, is the Liberal Democrats.
:46:23. > :46:25.They call it a fightback, but what can you actually
:46:26. > :46:30.One of the party's biggest losses at the general election
:46:31. > :46:35.was in Bermondsey and Old Southwark, which they had held for 30 years.
:46:36. > :46:40.It's never the end of Simon Hughes, once said the former Lib Dem MP
:46:41. > :46:48.I don't think it was an anti-Simon vote, an anti-local Liberal Democrat
:46:49. > :46:51.vote, I think it was to do with what had happened nationally,
:46:52. > :46:53.and I think we can win the seat back.
:46:54. > :46:56.I don't want to have it taken from me.
:46:57. > :46:58.Once we have won it back, then in time I can give
:46:59. > :47:03.Simon took us to meet people in his stronghold on the patch.
:47:04. > :47:12.He has been looking after - he don't care who you are, what you are.
:47:13. > :47:21.We will make sure people understand that there is a personal choice
:47:22. > :47:25.between the MP they had before and the MP they have just had
:47:26. > :47:28.for the last little while, and then there's a political choice
:47:29. > :47:35.and it's a Labour Liberal Democrat political choice.
:47:36. > :47:38.But the Lib Dem fall-back in London hasn't just been to Labour.
:47:39. > :47:41.In Twickenham, former Cabinet minister Vince Cable lost his seat
:47:42. > :47:45.Now, it's hard to think of anywhere in London that is more different
:47:46. > :47:47.to Bermondsey than where I'm standing in Twickenham.
:47:48. > :47:49.The politics here are completely different as well.
:47:50. > :47:52.They kicked out the Lib Dems, and instead voted Conservative,
:47:53. > :47:56.suggesting that it's unlikely the problem
:47:57. > :48:01.here was that they were seen as being too close to the Tories.
:48:02. > :48:03.The key slogan that the Conservatives had was
:48:04. > :48:08.Well, we have no longer got Cameron and we have got the chaotic
:48:09. > :48:11.aftermath of the Brexit vote, which of course the majority
:48:12. > :48:16.So, according to the party, they lost in leafy Twickenham
:48:17. > :48:19.because a vote for the Lib Dems was seen as a vote for Labour
:48:20. > :48:23.in the inner city, because voting for them was a vote for the Tories,
:48:24. > :48:33.You know, we have strongholds, we have areas where we formally had
:48:34. > :48:36.MPs, and I think we are realistic that the fightback
:48:37. > :48:40.There's not going to be some sort of miraculous overnight recovery
:48:41. > :48:42.of the position we had before the coalition,
:48:43. > :48:44.but there is a very positive attitude in the party.
:48:45. > :48:48.We feel we have really got something to say.
:48:49. > :48:52.But with just one MP left in London one council under their control,
:48:53. > :48:55.and since May one Assembly member, there is a long, hard battle ahead
:48:56. > :49:12.The big question is, Tom Brake, are you known as dad in your
:49:13. > :49:17.constituency? But moving on, Simon Hughes making that claim! This Lib
:49:18. > :49:23.Dem fightback is not going very well, is it? As Vince Cable set out,
:49:24. > :49:27.it will be a battle, we are realistic about that, but since the
:49:28. > :49:32.general election we have seen party membership increase by 120% and that
:49:33. > :49:38.has increased in areas where we are not very strong as well so that is a
:49:39. > :49:41.good sign for the party in the longer term. Apart from the 2015
:49:42. > :49:49.mayoral elections and Assembly election, which have always been a
:49:50. > :49:58.difficult nut to crack, because as it is a two horse race... You did
:49:59. > :50:02.really badly in that. It has always been a battle between Ken
:50:03. > :50:07.Livingstone and Boris Johnson, or in this case Sadiq Khan and Zach
:50:08. > :50:11.Johnson, it is difficult to break through that. But we have held a
:50:12. > :50:16.seat in my constituency, in Kingston, in Southwark, and indeed
:50:17. > :50:21.we took seats from Conservatives in Richmond. Richmond is interesting
:50:22. > :50:26.because if Zac Goldsmith does what he said he will do and resign when
:50:27. > :50:30.we expect the third runway to be announced at Heathrow, that is a
:50:31. > :50:35.borough in which we have won a seat from the Tories on the council and
:50:36. > :50:40.it is an interesting prospect for us. At the moment as things stand,
:50:41. > :50:47.in vast swathes of London, you are nowhere. In vast swathes of London
:50:48. > :50:51.what we have also just had is the EU referendum, and across the country
:50:52. > :50:56.we had 48% of people voting to stay in, and we are the only party united
:50:57. > :51:05.on that issue. So why didn't it translate into votes? Maybe it will
:51:06. > :51:11.do in the future. People only have one party to come to and that's the
:51:12. > :51:14.Liberal Democrats. If we look at the mayoralty again, Caroline Pidgeon
:51:15. > :51:22.came fourth, in terms of the London mayoral elections, Lib Dems came
:51:23. > :51:29.fifth, even Ukip did better. Diane James is the new party's leader. She
:51:30. > :51:36.will be hoping to build on that. How do you come back from that? London
:51:37. > :51:40.is a city which is open and tolerant, and people want parties
:51:41. > :51:46.that are united, parties that are not united suffer, and we are that
:51:47. > :51:50.party. You had better not be complacent, Neil Coyle. Simon Hughes
:51:51. > :52:01.is still loved by some of his constituents. He is God! Do you feel
:52:02. > :52:04.under pressure? I think it is deeply patronising for the Liberal
:52:05. > :52:07.Democrats to keep selecting the same people. They are not bringing
:52:08. > :52:14.forward anyone else, they are not bringing forward anyone who doesn't
:52:15. > :52:20.have the same attachment to the regions that people did not vote Lib
:52:21. > :52:26.Dems last year. Simon voted for the bedroom tax, devoted to cut legal
:52:27. > :52:31.aid. Tuition fees increase. Simon is attached to those issues. You think
:52:32. > :52:35.they are being punished for those issues but after a certain amount of
:52:36. > :52:39.time they will regain a uniqueness that isn't there perhaps at the
:52:40. > :52:43.moment. Certainly not by selecting the same candidates that were part
:52:44. > :52:48.of the Government, ministers within a Conservative government. Do you
:52:49. > :52:55.think Jeremy Corbyn will help the defender of seats like yours? There
:52:56. > :52:59.is a progressive vote in my constituency and I will be working
:53:00. > :53:06.hard. The casework I do every week... You didn't ask the question
:53:07. > :53:12.-- answer the question whether Jeremy Corbyn will help. Owen Smith
:53:13. > :53:18.will potentially the our new leader next week. He worked with the Lib
:53:19. > :53:22.Dems in Government, what do you say? To some extent may have taking the
:53:23. > :53:30.pain, they paid a high price for working with you. I don't see any
:53:31. > :53:36.sign of a Lib Dem revival. 8% in the opinion polls, actually lower than
:53:37. > :53:45.after the election. They lost the tooting by-election... We didn't
:53:46. > :53:53.lose it, we didn't win the seat. There was a survey done which found
:53:54. > :53:56.interesting that more Ukip voters identify themselves with the centre
:53:57. > :54:01.of politics than Liberal Democrats, presumably because they feel
:54:02. > :54:05.post-Brexit they are more in tune with the national psyche than your
:54:06. > :54:10.party. Our party traditionally has appealed to issues to do with
:54:11. > :54:14.environment and Civil Liberties and part of the process we are going
:54:15. > :54:17.through is reconnecting with people who were perhaps disillusioned with
:54:18. > :54:22.the fact we went into coalition. That is the first age of the process
:54:23. > :54:26.but actually if you look outside London, where there have been a
:54:27. > :54:30.significant number of council by-elections, we are the party since
:54:31. > :54:42.May last year, which has gained seats. 8% in the polls, Tom. Let me
:54:43. > :54:46.just interrupts there to say to Greg Hands. As you will know, there have
:54:47. > :54:52.been some quite senior defections from Ukip to the Conservative Party.
:54:53. > :54:56.Obviously you have been sworn enemies in elections recently, are
:54:57. > :55:00.you welcoming back those people into the Tory party? We have just
:55:01. > :55:08.welcomed back a former Liberal Democrat MP who defected back to us.
:55:09. > :55:12.I'm talking about Ukip. We generally welcome people who rejoin the party.
:55:13. > :55:17.There is a process involved, but in general of course. I welcome more
:55:18. > :55:22.people into the Conservative Party, I am a Conservative. Thank you.
:55:23. > :55:24.The Mayor, Sadiq Khan, is in North America drumming
:55:25. > :55:26.up trade for London, but also - many think -
:55:27. > :55:28.making a point about Republican Presidential candidate
:55:29. > :55:30.Donald Trump's proposed ban on Muslims travelling to the USA.
:55:31. > :55:33.Khan was with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Thursday.
:55:34. > :55:43.There are people in Daesh and so-called ices who say it is
:55:44. > :55:47.incompatible to be a Muslim and to hold Western liberal values, and by
:55:48. > :55:51.the way there are far right politicians in the USA, in the UK
:55:52. > :55:57.and elsewhere, saying the same thing. Greg Hands, is he doing a
:55:58. > :56:02.better job than the Government at the moment in terms of sale London
:56:03. > :56:07.and the UK is open for business? Actually we are both doing the same
:56:08. > :56:12.job. I was out in the state last month, Liam Fox was also in the
:56:13. > :56:17.States last month, drumming up support for UK business and US
:56:18. > :56:22.investment. 1 million people in this country go to work every day to work
:56:23. > :56:26.for US company. We need to make sure the message is heard loud and clear,
:56:27. > :56:31.Britain is open for business, whether it comes from me, Theresa
:56:32. > :56:38.May or Sadiq Khan I support that message. So you think he is doing
:56:39. > :56:40.good job? I support the London mayor talking about the importance of
:56:41. > :56:48.inward investment into the London economy. In a way he is doing Liam
:56:49. > :56:53.Fox's job for him, isn't he? As I said, Liam Fox was in the USA before
:56:54. > :56:57.Sadiq Khan so nobody is doing each other's job. The more voices we have
:56:58. > :57:01.saying Britain is open for business after Brexit, and by the way for
:57:02. > :57:08.Sadiq Khan I think it is the convenient time to be away. OK,
:57:09. > :57:13.sideswipe there at Labour but if we get back to what the Government is
:57:14. > :57:17.doing, do you think it was helpful Liam Fox described businessmen as
:57:18. > :57:22.fat and lazy in his bid to say we are for business? I think he was
:57:23. > :57:26.making a general point that we need to do better on exports as a
:57:27. > :57:31.country. Only 10% of British companies currently export and we
:57:32. > :57:34.want to get that increased. He's not going to ingratiate himself with the
:57:35. > :57:38.business community if he's criticising them at that personal
:57:39. > :57:42.level. The most important point is that we have got to send the message
:57:43. > :57:49.that we need to be exporting more, we are open for business, we are
:57:50. > :57:54.helping overseas direct investment. Clearly it will not be helpful, him
:57:55. > :57:57.describing businesses here as being fat and lazy and that was a
:57:58. > :58:01.regrettable statement. What he has also got to try to do is convince
:58:02. > :58:06.businesses for instance, a business here in the UK that wants to start
:58:07. > :58:11.exporting to other countries is now, once we have left the EU, will have
:58:12. > :58:16.a double dose of regulations to deal with so he will need to be
:58:17. > :58:20.particularly careful in trying to help those businesses. You should
:58:21. > :58:25.talk to businesses that export now to the European Union because that
:58:26. > :58:29.is what they are saying. I would say businesses are interested in the
:58:30. > :58:33.process but they recognise, most businesses recognise the British
:58:34. > :58:37.people voted on the 23rd of June to leave the European Union. It is now
:58:38. > :58:41.a question of getting the right relationship with the EU. Brexit
:58:42. > :58:46.must be Brexit and we need to get on with it. You say you want to send a
:58:47. > :58:49.message that Britain is open for business. What would demonstrate
:58:50. > :58:57.that very poignantly would be giving the green light to a third runway at
:58:58. > :58:59.Heathrow, wouldn't it? We are making that decision shortly based on the
:59:00. > :59:02.environmental study that was done, looking back at the Davis
:59:03. > :59:09.commission. That decision will be made shortly. We have been waiting
:59:10. > :59:13.for years and we are still waiting. Where do you stand on this issue?
:59:14. > :59:24.You have said repeatedly in the last few minutes we are open for
:59:25. > :59:30.business. This would be a massive confidence boost to businesses. We
:59:31. > :59:37.are committed to expansion in the south-east, that is the most
:59:38. > :59:41.important thing. I am supportive of expanding our runway capacity, and
:59:42. > :59:46.it is up to the Cabinet committee and the Prime Minister to make that
:59:47. > :59:51.decision. How difficult is it for Sadiq Khan in a city like London
:59:52. > :59:56.which voted to remain, but is working in Brexit UK having to sell
:59:57. > :00:00.London abroad? I think it is incredibly tough and it doesn't help
:00:01. > :00:05.to have other ministers making negative comments about British
:00:06. > :00:09.business. For me and my constituents I'm proud Sadiq Khan is trying to
:00:10. > :00:13.attract foreign businesses and ease those businesses that know it will
:00:14. > :00:19.be hard to recruit some staff and trade am a potentially. But also he
:00:20. > :00:23.could also be making the case, and I'm working with Sadiq Khan on
:00:24. > :00:27.infrastructure development within the constituency, and again he's
:00:28. > :00:30.making a positive case. Let's leave it there.
:00:31. > :00:37.Now for the rest of the political news in brief.
:00:38. > :00:40.A report from the London greenbelt council claims demand to create more
:00:41. > :00:42.homes in the capital is putting unprecedented pressure
:00:43. > :00:46.It says there are 203 applications to build on greenbelt land in London
:00:47. > :00:51.That will deliver more than 120,000 new homes but campaigners say this
:00:52. > :01:00.There were angry exchanges at Mayor's question time this week,
:01:01. > :01:02.following Sadiq Khan's decision to veto plans to create
:01:03. > :01:05.a new private pension scheme at City Hall.
:01:06. > :01:12.The only person stopping us having that pension is you.
:01:13. > :01:18.And on the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire Show, Labour MP for Bermondsey
:01:19. > :01:20.and Old Southwark, Neil Coyle, said he would consider taking legal
:01:21. > :01:23.action against Jeremy Corbyn over being named on the list
:01:24. > :01:28.Yes, and it would be the leader, not the party, because this has been
:01:29. > :01:30.issued apparently by someone in his campaign team,
:01:31. > :01:52.Let me echo that, wow, indeed. Are you going ahead with it? I am yet to
:01:53. > :01:56.have the apology I have been promised and I will base my
:01:57. > :02:00.decision... I still have not been told what I am accused of doing,
:02:01. > :02:08.which is why it is damaging. I have had a torrent of abused caused by
:02:09. > :02:13.Jeremy and John McDonnell and I am waiting for my apology. What sort of
:02:14. > :02:17.abuse? Trolling, insults, accusations that I do not belong in
:02:18. > :02:21.a political party, lots of parts of the anatomy have been mentioned as
:02:22. > :02:26.well. Yes, this is a daytime programme, we won't go into detail!
:02:27. > :02:30.Have you spoken to the leaders' offers about this? Some of his staff
:02:31. > :02:34.claim he did not know about it but clearly he did when he spoke on sky
:02:35. > :02:39.News and it again demonstrates that when Jeremy himself -- whether
:02:40. > :02:44.Jeremy himself indulges in this, you certainly create the environment,
:02:45. > :02:47.his staff have been fingered, if you like, for causing the leak, they are
:02:48. > :02:52.doing it and telling their fan base to do it. You are supporting Owen
:02:53. > :02:57.Smith, who is challenging Jeremy Corbyn, and when Jeremy Corbyn was
:02:58. > :03:00.asked about the list, I think 30 MPs including you who have been
:03:01. > :03:06.disloyal, he said, it is a fact, they have been disloyal. Is it as
:03:07. > :03:11.big a deal as you are making out? I don't know the nature of the full
:03:12. > :03:16.accusation, but what has been said since, I know the reaction I have
:03:17. > :03:20.experienced, so I know what I have received as a direct result of this
:03:21. > :03:24.list being published. My position in the Labour Party is solely that I
:03:25. > :03:27.want us to be in the best place to make sure my constituents don't have
:03:28. > :03:31.to put up with further housing crisis and damage from the
:03:32. > :03:34.Conservative Government, I want a Labour Government and believe Owen
:03:35. > :03:41.will put us in the right place for that. Briefly. We have a Government
:03:42. > :03:44.committed to spending ?18 billion on Hinkley Point C and the major
:03:45. > :03:48.opposition party is in the business of suing its party leader. We want
:03:49. > :03:54.an opposition that is capable of turning on the Government. Neal
:03:55. > :03:56.nominated Jeremy Corbyn and is it interesting what happened in the one
:03:57. > :03:57.year since. My thanks to Greg Hands,
:03:58. > :04:01.Tom Brake and Neil Coyle, Will Jeremy Corbyn be able
:04:02. > :04:10.to reunite the Labour Party if he's If Theresa May facing a backbench
:04:11. > :04:23.rebellion over her Brexit strategy? And does Tim Farron have any chance
:04:24. > :04:26.of staging a Lib Dem comeback Back with me now is Helen Lewis,
:04:27. > :04:39.Isabel Oakeshott and Tim Shipman. Also, following on from our
:04:40. > :04:41.interview with Labour MP Peter Kyle, who's complained that some Corbyn
:04:42. > :04:43.supporters are trying to deselect him, we can
:04:44. > :04:46.speak to the national organiser for Momentum,
:04:47. > :04:58.James Schneider, who joins James, there is mounting evidence
:04:59. > :05:04.that one of the purposes, one of the purposes, of Momentum is to get more
:05:05. > :05:09.Corbyn friendly Labour MPs elected. Are you still denying that? There is
:05:10. > :05:17.not mounting evidence that Momentum is campaigning for the. We are not
:05:18. > :05:24.campaigning for the selections. The one person who is apparently going
:05:25. > :05:28.to appear in a documentary tomorrow calling for Peter Kyle to be
:05:29. > :05:33.deselected isn't a member of Momentum. So you would urge all
:05:34. > :05:38.Momentum supporters in Brighton and Hove to back Mr Kyle, the sitting
:05:39. > :05:41.MP? That is not what I'm saying, I'm saying selections are a matter for
:05:42. > :05:45.local party members and affiliates and it is their right to decide what
:05:46. > :05:55.they would like to decide. Momentum is not campaigning to reselect any
:05:56. > :06:00.particular MPs. So why was Mr Sandel addressing a group of Momentum
:06:01. > :06:04.supporters, telling them how to go about deselecting anti-Corbin Labour
:06:05. > :06:13.MPs? He was invited by one local group. In a big organisation which
:06:14. > :06:17.is very, very active, 150 groups, 18,000 members, tens of thousands of
:06:18. > :06:22.activists, people have democratic debate and get invited for talks,
:06:23. > :06:27.that is normal. One meeting does not dictate national policy. Are you
:06:28. > :06:34.telling us today that Momentum, at the local level, is not and will not
:06:35. > :06:37.be involved in any efforts to replace sitting MPs? What I'm
:06:38. > :06:42.telling you is that the selections are a matter for local Labour Party
:06:43. > :06:45.members and affiliates. It is their right to choose through the
:06:46. > :06:50.mechanisms laid down by party conference and the National
:06:51. > :06:55.Executive Committee, to do that, that is completely normal. What I am
:06:56. > :07:01.saying is Momentum is not campaigning for any deselection.
:07:02. > :07:05.Even at a local level? Momentum is not campaigning for deselection. Are
:07:06. > :07:09.you telling me Momentum is not involved in trying to get rid of
:07:10. > :07:14.local MPs at local level, is that what you are saying? Andrew, what
:07:15. > :07:19.I'm telling you is that selections and elections within the Labour
:07:20. > :07:25.Party are the democratic right for members and affiliates. We are not
:07:26. > :07:31.trying to interfere with that, one way or the other. There may be
:07:32. > :07:35.members of Momentum who are members of the Labour Party who take a
:07:36. > :07:38.particular view on their MP, for example myself, I am a member of
:07:39. > :07:44.Momentum and the Labour Party, I take the view on my MP, I really
:07:45. > :07:53.like my MP. Who is your MP? Keir Starmer. So his position is safe
:07:54. > :07:57.from Momentum? All MPs' positions are safe... We have got Len
:07:58. > :08:02.McCluskey of Unite saying it is time to get rid of MPs who have been
:08:03. > :08:08.overcritical of Mr Corbyn, Mark Sandell lecturing Momentum on how to
:08:09. > :08:12.unseat sitting MPs, Clive Lewis describing deselection as simply
:08:13. > :08:19.democratic selection. Have you not had the memo yet? Andrew,
:08:20. > :08:25.selections, as I keep on saying, are the democratic right of local party
:08:26. > :08:29.members and affiliates. I am not trying to stop anybody having those
:08:30. > :08:33.rights, those rights are extremely important in a democratic party, but
:08:34. > :08:37.what I'm not going to do is be goaded into saying something I don't
:08:38. > :08:40.think, which is that Momentum should be organising for deselection is
:08:41. > :08:44.because that is not what we are doing. You are not being goaded,
:08:45. > :08:50.simply questioned. Is it correct that Momentum would like to have, or
:08:51. > :08:54.plans to have, what it is calling an engagement officer in every
:08:55. > :08:58.constituency Labour Party just to keep an eye on what is going on? Can
:08:59. > :09:04.you tell us what the engagement officer would do? It is half true.
:09:05. > :09:09.If you look at the guidelines on Momentum's website, to be a verified
:09:10. > :09:14.local Momentum, you need positive engagement with your local Labour
:09:15. > :09:17.Party, local trades union branches, community and activist groups, so
:09:18. > :09:21.each group has Labour Party engagement officers so that people
:09:22. > :09:25.are making sure they are taking part in the party, we want people to be
:09:26. > :09:36.as involved in the Labour Party as they can be, to be campaigning and
:09:37. > :09:38.part of a Democratic Party. Thank you, I know this was short notice,
:09:39. > :09:39.thank you for joining us this morning.
:09:40. > :09:42.Let's move on because we talked about Labour at the beginning. To
:09:43. > :09:45.the Lib Dems. Theoretically, the Lib Dems, at this point, given what is
:09:46. > :09:48.happening to Labour, given Mrs May and grammar schools, there could be
:09:49. > :09:53.an opening for the Lib Dems, but is there any sign of it? At the moment
:09:54. > :09:56.the thing that Tim Farron could do to get noticed would be to go
:09:57. > :09:59.skinny-dipping off Brighton beach because it might get him some press
:10:00. > :10:03.attention. He gave quite an interesting speech which I'm afraid
:10:04. > :10:05.I read on my mobile phone rather than watching in person, which tells
:10:06. > :10:24.a tale itself. This is a guy trying to rebuild locally, get
:10:25. > :10:26.councillors elected again, being relatively successful at that, they
:10:27. > :10:29.just got a 38% swing in athletes the other day against the Labour Party,
:10:30. > :10:32.but it is a long road back and at the moment they are not exploiting
:10:33. > :10:34.the national opportunity they have got. I think the problem they have
:10:35. > :10:37.got is their grassroots network is so depleted, the opposite situation
:10:38. > :10:40.to the Labour Party. They do not have the kind of infrastructure any
:10:41. > :10:44.more, there are no resources, human or financial resources, they don't
:10:45. > :10:48.have the people to go out there and knock on doors. Tim Farron, a great
:10:49. > :10:51.and lovely guy, but he doesn't provide the most charismatic of
:10:52. > :10:57.leadership and they really deep to find something to pin a revival on,
:10:58. > :11:01.and at the moment it isn't there. I am more upbeat than these two, it is
:11:02. > :11:07.a long road back that there is a space down the middle between their
:11:08. > :11:11.Labour is and the Conservatives are, it is very authoritarian at the Home
:11:12. > :11:14.Office which opens up a space for a Liberal party. They have only got
:11:15. > :11:18.eight MPs, if they had more, we would be paying more attention to
:11:19. > :11:21.them. Attention is one of the problems, getting attention is
:11:22. > :11:25.difficult for them, there will not be that many senior journalists at
:11:26. > :11:30.the Lib Dem conference. Then never used to be. We are going way back to
:11:31. > :11:44.where it Lib Dems used to be a long time ago. But it is worse, if you
:11:45. > :11:48.look ten years ago at least they had a reasonable cohort but I don't
:11:49. > :11:51.think the number of MPs is the issue. To get attention you have got
:11:52. > :11:53.to be spiky, punchy, pumping out controversial press releases, they
:11:54. > :11:56.are not doing that. But they have an advantage over Labour, they are used
:11:57. > :11:58.to talking to people who disagree with them, there are relatively few
:11:59. > :12:01.friendly ears for the Lib Dem, and I think there are some signs of
:12:02. > :12:07.resurgence but it is a long road back. There is a new Tory group
:12:08. > :12:13.campaigning for hard Brexit. It is fair to say that the longer Mrs May
:12:14. > :12:19.waits to trigger article 50, the more Tory divisions will come to the
:12:20. > :12:24.surface? I think that is fair enough, absolutely, but I have some
:12:25. > :12:28.sympathy with her position of leaving it until she has got her
:12:29. > :12:32.ducks in a row. Once Article 50 is triggered, there is a limited time
:12:33. > :12:37.frame to work out the negotiations, and you had an interesting guest
:12:38. > :12:42.earlier, we had David Liddington who spent so long on the European
:12:43. > :12:46.diplomatic circuit, and his view is that you do need time to work all
:12:47. > :12:52.this out before you press the button on it. So not this side of New Year?
:12:53. > :12:55.But you cannot leave it forever because there are European elections
:12:56. > :13:02.coming up, it would be ludicrous to be in a position where we are
:13:03. > :13:08.re-elected MEPs. I will out myself as a moaning Remainer. Nigel Farage
:13:09. > :13:13.this morning said people voted to get out of the single market. Did
:13:14. > :13:14.they? Again, no one knows what Brexit means. We will talk more
:13:15. > :13:17.about that as autumn progresses. Jo Coburn will be back
:13:18. > :13:21.on BBC Two tomorrow at noon with coverage of the Lib Dem
:13:22. > :13:23.conference in Brighton. I will bring Tim Farron's speech on
:13:24. > :13:27.Tuesday. And I'll be back with more
:13:28. > :13:30.Sunday Politics live from the Labour conference in Liverpool
:13:31. > :13:32.here on BBC One next Sunday at 11am. Remember, if it's Sunday,
:13:33. > :13:39.it's the Sunday Politics.