:00:34. > :00:39.There's another candidate in the race to become Ukip's next
:00:40. > :00:42.leader: Suzanne Evans, the party's former deputy chairman,
:00:43. > :00:49.This man might have something to say about that.
:00:50. > :00:51.Paul Nuttal was Nigel Farage's deputy for many years.
:00:52. > :00:54.So is he now ready to throw his hat in the ring?
:00:55. > :01:00.The battle for Mosul: the Iraqi army and its allies advane
:01:01. > :01:02.on the country's second city which has been in the hands of
:01:03. > :01:15.But what will be the fallout from this key clash?
:01:16. > :01:21.London this week, slum conditions in one of the richest cities in the
:01:22. > :01:22.world. Should all private landlords be licensed to help tackle the
:01:23. > :01:27.squalor? And with me - as always -
:01:28. > :01:30.the best and the brightest political panel in the business: Toby Young,
:01:31. > :01:33.Polly Toynbee and Tom Newton Dunn - The last leader was in the job
:01:34. > :01:42.a mere 18 days before she decided The favourite to succeed her then
:01:43. > :01:48.quit the party after a now infamous Ukip's biggest donor says the party
:01:49. > :01:53.is at "breaking point". This morning, the former
:01:54. > :02:00.Deputy Chairman, Suzanne Evans, announced that she would be
:02:01. > :02:02.running for the leadership. I've thought long and hard
:02:03. > :02:08.about this leadership bid, and one of the reasons I've perhaps
:02:09. > :02:10.delayed announcing it is because I wanted to be absolutely
:02:11. > :02:13.sure that I had the support And I can confirm that I have
:02:14. > :02:17.more than enough signatures on the nomination form already
:02:18. > :02:20.to be able to go forward. Let's not forget that 3,000 people
:02:21. > :02:24.signed a petition in support of me I know head office was besieged
:02:25. > :02:29.with letters in support. I would not be doing this
:02:30. > :02:33.if I didn't have the backing of our members, because our members
:02:34. > :02:35.are the most important Well, Paul Nuttall was
:02:36. > :02:44.Nigel Farage's deputy for many years and plenty of people saw him
:02:45. > :02:47.as a leader-in-waiting. Let's ask the man himself -
:02:48. > :03:00.Paul Nuttall joins me now. Yes. I've made the decision that I'm
:03:01. > :03:05.going to put my name forward to be the next leader of Ukip. I have huge
:03:06. > :03:09.support across the country, not only amongst people at the top of the
:03:10. > :03:14.party in Westminster and with the MEPs, but also the grassroots. I
:03:15. > :03:19.want to be the unity candidate. Ukip needs to come together. I'm not
:03:20. > :03:23.going to gild the lily. Ukip is looking over a political cliff at
:03:24. > :03:34.the moment. It will either step four step back, and I want to tell us to
:03:35. > :03:36.step backwards. You say it faces an ex-distension or threat, which means
:03:37. > :03:39.it's possible it has no future at all. Students of political history
:03:40. > :03:46.know that political parties take a long time to get going. They can
:03:47. > :03:50.disappear pretty quickly. Ukip is facing an existential crisis. What
:03:51. > :03:56.happened over the summer has put us on a... We could be on a spiral that
:03:57. > :04:00.we can't get off. But I believe I am the man to bring the factions
:04:01. > :04:04.together, to create unity within the party, and to build on the structure
:04:05. > :04:09.and get us ready for the common challenges. Why didn't you stand
:04:10. > :04:14.last time? Because I have spent the last four or five years of my life
:04:15. > :04:18.travelling around the country. I have done more Ukip meetings than
:04:19. > :04:24.anybody else, spending a lot of time away from home. With Brexit, I felt
:04:25. > :04:28.that my job and Nigel's job was done and we could hand over to the next
:04:29. > :04:32.generation. That doesn't seem to be the case, and maybe it's time for
:04:33. > :04:36.someone who is an old hand. I'm very experienced and I know the party
:04:37. > :04:41.inside out. Maybe it's time to step in and bring the party together You
:04:42. > :04:48.told the Liverpool Echo on the night of July that you didn't wish to take
:04:49. > :04:57.on Nigel Farage, you didn't want that to happen to your family and
:04:58. > :05:01.friends. What has changed? The party is facing an existential crisis and
:05:02. > :05:08.I want to make sure that Ukip is on the pitch to keep the ball into the
:05:09. > :05:14.open net we have in politics. We have a Conservative Party who is
:05:15. > :05:19.moving toward Brexit, but we have to be there too. Why would you be
:05:20. > :05:24.better than Suzanne Evans? Suzanne would be an excellent candidate I
:05:25. > :05:28.thought the 2015 manifesto was the best out of all the political
:05:29. > :05:32.parties. I would be the best candidate because of my experience.
:05:33. > :05:37.I am not part of any faction within the party. Is she? I get on well
:05:38. > :05:43.with everybody, and I believe I could be the man to bring the party
:05:44. > :05:48.together. Do you get on with Iain Banks, -- Aaron Banks, who is
:05:49. > :05:54.supporting one of your rivals? Yes, I get on well with him. He is able
:05:55. > :05:58.to choose whoever he wants to be the next leader of the party. After
:05:59. > :06:03.November 28, the leadership election, we all say, the past the
:06:04. > :06:11.past. It becomes Daisy row for the new leader. We forget all that has
:06:12. > :06:14.before and move on. You won the referendum. Mrs May is adopting some
:06:15. > :06:20.of your policies, like grammar schools. What is the point of Ukip
:06:21. > :06:25.these days? Twofold. We don't have Brexit. Mrs May said she would not
:06:26. > :06:30.invoke Article 50 until the end of March, and we don't know if that
:06:31. > :06:36.will happen. We need to ensure a strong Ukip to make sure that Brexit
:06:37. > :06:39.really does mean Brexit. We have a huge opportunity in working class
:06:40. > :06:44.communities where the Labour Party no longer represents them. I believe
:06:45. > :06:48.Ukip can become the voice of working people. If you were the leader,
:06:49. > :06:53.would Ukip be a bigger threat to Labour in the north or the Tories in
:06:54. > :06:57.the South? You save Labour in the north, and people often to make that
:06:58. > :07:02.mistake. There's working class communities right across the country
:07:03. > :07:14.is. There are working-class communities in Bristol just
:07:15. > :07:17.as in Newcastle. We are second in a number of northern seats, and
:07:18. > :07:20.southern seats as well, and I believe the party can move into
:07:21. > :07:23.these communities. It can only do so if Ukip is on the pitch, and I
:07:24. > :07:29.intend to make sure that's the case. I don't think we have portrayed a
:07:30. > :07:36.good image over the summer. Is that called British understatement? A
:07:37. > :07:41.bit. It is dysfunctional. We have to move on beyond Nigel Farage. We have
:07:42. > :07:46.to build a strong national Executive Committee. We need to ensure our
:07:47. > :07:50.branches are ready for the fight and concentrate on local elections. I've
:07:51. > :07:56.got the experience. I'm now throwing my hat into the ring, and I'm the
:07:57. > :08:00.only person who can keep Ukip in the game. What role would you give Nigel
:08:01. > :08:05.Farage, if any? I will be the candidate of compromise. I would see
:08:06. > :08:09.what Nigel wanted to do. Would you keep in the leader of the freedom
:08:10. > :08:13.and democracy group in the European Parliament? There would have to be
:08:14. > :08:19.compromise on both sides, and we would need to talk about it. I don't
:08:20. > :08:23.know what Nigel wants to do. Do you think his support, his association
:08:24. > :08:29.with Donald Trump, helps Ukip win female votes in this country?
:08:30. > :08:32.Personally, I would not have gone out and campaigned or said anything
:08:33. > :08:39.about Donald Trump, but I don't think Ukip has come out and backed
:08:40. > :08:43.Donald Trump 100%. Personally, I wouldn't have even spoken about the
:08:44. > :08:48.American election, because I think the two candidates are quite
:08:49. > :08:53.appalling. Some up for us. If you win, what would be the hallmark of
:08:54. > :08:59.your Ukip leadership? The first couple of months would be ensuring
:09:00. > :09:05.that Ukip unifies. Saying no to factions, bringing people together.
:09:06. > :09:09.Suzanne Evans, Nigel Farage, all of the MEPs, and ensuring that Ukip can
:09:10. > :09:13.move forward. If we don't unify Ukip will not be around for much
:09:14. > :09:16.longer. Thanks for being with us this morning.
:09:17. > :09:19.We won't have to wait too long to find out who Ukip's
:09:20. > :09:21.new leader will be - the winner will be announced
:09:22. > :09:30.Who would be the best leader for Ukip? I think the difference between
:09:31. > :09:34.the field a few weeks ago and today is that this field is a lot
:09:35. > :09:41.stronger. Whether it's Paul or Suzanne, I think... It is hard to
:09:42. > :09:51.say, with Aaron Banks and apparently Nigel Farage hacking another
:09:52. > :10:01.candidate, Raheem, but I want Ukip to be a strong force in British
:10:02. > :10:08.politics. I think the fact there is a stronger field now is good news
:10:09. > :10:14.for Ukip. Is it a Labour's worst nightmare in the north of England?
:10:15. > :10:17.It is. I think the personality difference and presentational
:10:18. > :10:22.difference is interesting. Suzanne Evans is going for the Conservative
:10:23. > :10:26.county vote. There's a lot to be taken there by Ukip. He would
:10:27. > :10:33.probably be more appealing to the Labour vote. It is interesting. At
:10:34. > :10:46.the moment, pollsters say that the Ukip vote splits pretty easily
:10:47. > :10:51.between Labour and Tory. But things always collapse. When they have made
:10:52. > :10:55.inroads into Tower Hamlets and Barking, they collapse, because they
:10:56. > :11:07.fight amongst each other so much. But not always with fists! Does Ukip
:11:08. > :11:12.have a future? And who would best secure that future? It does for at
:11:13. > :11:18.least two years, until we Brexit. We have to believe that that will
:11:19. > :11:22.happen. That was an impressive pitch there from Paul, certainly as the
:11:23. > :11:27.unity candidate, after the car crash we have seen on TV screens this
:11:28. > :11:32.morning. But it doesn't go beyond May 20 19. What then? There is no
:11:33. > :11:37.point being called the United Kingdom Independence party any
:11:38. > :11:42.longer. What will happen after May 2019? If you want to hoover up votes
:11:43. > :11:47.of the back of Brexit, you need to start looking further ahead than two
:11:48. > :11:52.years. The person who wins that leadership contest is the person who
:11:53. > :11:54.will sum that up the best. We shall see.
:11:55. > :11:57.In June 2014, the group which calls itself the Islamic State in Iraq
:11:58. > :11:59.and the Levant captured Iraq's second city, Mosul.
:12:00. > :12:02.Later that month the group announced it was establishing a 'caliphate',
:12:03. > :12:04.or an Islamic state, on the territories it
:12:05. > :12:13.This week 30,000 Iraqi troops, aided by Iranian-backed Shia fighters
:12:14. > :12:18.Kurdish Peshmerga and Western air support, began the assault
:12:19. > :12:36.Then they spot a truck bomb from so-called Islamic State.
:12:37. > :12:41.They destroy it before it destroys them.
:12:42. > :12:43.These are the first steps in the battle for Mosul,
:12:44. > :12:49.the Northern Iraqi city IS has made its stronghold since 2014.
:12:50. > :12:53.Controlling the city of around 2 million people means
:12:54. > :12:57.that they established governance, they establish a territorial base.
:12:58. > :13:00.This is what has obsessed everyone, because with a territorial base
:13:01. > :13:05.you are capable of doing more than if you are simply an insurgency
:13:06. > :13:10.movement in the fabric of another society.
:13:11. > :13:13.It's being billed as the biggest military operation in Iraq
:13:14. > :13:17.since the war in 2003, the biggest moment in the international effort
:13:18. > :13:23.Here is how the various forces are approaching the city.
:13:24. > :13:27.Heading to Mosul from the south the elite troops of the Iraqi army.
:13:28. > :13:29.Known as the Golden division, trained and accompanied
:13:30. > :13:36.From the North, a force made up of Kurds, known as the Peshmerga,
:13:37. > :13:42.Also from the South, a militia made up of Shia fighters
:13:43. > :13:45.who have been accused of human rights abuses.
:13:46. > :13:48.British planes have bombed outlying villages, reportedly guided
:13:49. > :13:55.in by British personnel on the ground.
:13:56. > :13:58.To the North West, a corridor has been left for some
:13:59. > :14:00.of the 3000 plus IS fighters, in theory an escape route
:14:01. > :14:04.which could limit the bloodshed when fighting starts in the city.
:14:05. > :14:06.We've had 4-5 days of battle and it's taking place
:14:07. > :14:08.in the outlying villages and there have been some
:14:09. > :14:12.successes and some failures, but the momentum is building.
:14:13. > :14:14.And the real question will be when the attackers get
:14:15. > :14:18.towards the city itself, how strong are the defences?
:14:19. > :14:26.It will crack but it might crack within 48 hours or 2-3 weeks.
:14:27. > :14:30.IS has fought back, on Friday they attack sites
:14:31. > :14:32.in the city of Kirkuk, including a power station.
:14:33. > :14:35.The United Nations believes hundreds of thousands of families
:14:36. > :14:37.have been rounded up as potential human shields.
:14:38. > :14:42.The battle could be bloody, but what about when it's over?
:14:43. > :14:44.The Shia militias, the Iraqi army, the Peshmerga guerrillas,
:14:45. > :14:47.some of the Turkish elements, they all want a share of the action.
:14:48. > :14:51.They are in Mosul, not for altruistic reasons.
:14:52. > :14:54.They are there because they want to be part of whatever happens next.
:14:55. > :14:59.The biggest issue is how the Sunni majority in Mosul reacts to the Shia
:15:00. > :15:03.militias which have helped to liberate them.
:15:04. > :15:05.ARCHIVE FOOTAGE: When Sir Francis Humphrey went to Mosul
:15:06. > :15:09.If it all seems like something from the archive, when the Middle
:15:10. > :15:12.East went up in flames and was then carved up,
:15:13. > :15:16.it is because that is what is happening in Iraq right now.
:15:17. > :15:20.National identity has been cut across by other identities such
:15:21. > :15:31.And that means that putting together a so-called nation state again
:15:32. > :15:36.Almost certainly there will be a new form of Kurdish state,
:15:37. > :15:40.almost certainly in northern Iraq at the end of this crisis,
:15:41. > :15:43.and what is happening in Mosul is a microcosm of what is happening
:15:44. > :15:46.elsewhere across the Levant which is that it is melting down.
:15:47. > :15:49.Big questions, questions that come after the battle.
:15:50. > :15:52.The coalition forces are advancing but this is just the beginning.
:15:53. > :16:01.I'm joined now by the International Development Minister Rory Stewart.
:16:02. > :16:04.In a former life he was the coalition Deputy-Governor of two
:16:05. > :16:12.provinces in Southern Iraq following the Iraq intervention of 2003.
:16:13. > :16:22.Is there any doubt that at some stage Mosul will fall to the forces
:16:23. > :16:31.of Iraq and its allies? The first thing is that war is very uncertain
:16:32. > :16:34.and there are cliches about it being the graveyard of predictions and we
:16:35. > :16:39.don't want to make confident predictions but the basic structure
:16:40. > :16:49.is that there are 30,000 Iraqi forces outside and only a few
:16:50. > :16:51.thousand Daesh fighters inside and I would say it is overwhelmingly
:16:52. > :16:59.likely that the batter will one STUDIO: -- the battle the won by the
:17:00. > :17:08.Iraqi forces. June 2014 was a great success, they
:17:09. > :17:13.took a city of over in people and they created what they tried to
:17:14. > :17:16.create a million state of 7 million people, stretching across the Iraqi
:17:17. > :17:21.Syrian border, but since then they have lost territory quite rapidly.
:17:22. > :17:26.Now they are losing the outskirts of Mosul, and that is a fundamental
:17:27. > :17:28.blow. Islamic State is all about territory and holding state, that is
:17:29. > :17:36.what makes it different from Al-Qaeda. If they lose Mosul that
:17:37. > :17:40.will be a cynic -- significant blow to their credibility. Hillary
:17:41. > :17:44.Clinton said on Wednesday's presidential debate that when Iraqi
:17:45. > :17:48.forces with their allies including the United Kingdom gain control of
:17:49. > :17:55.Mosul they should continue to press into Syria to take back Raqqa which
:17:56. > :18:00.is the de facto capital of the caliphate, what is left of it, do we
:18:01. > :18:07.want Iraqi forces to pursue IS into Syria? Very important question.
:18:08. > :18:10.Delayed in Raqqa needs to come from people on the Syrian side of the
:18:11. > :18:16.border and that is an important principle -- the lead. In the end of
:18:17. > :18:20.that enemy, Islamic State, is a common enemy for odd members of the
:18:21. > :18:28.coalition including the Iraqi government. -- all members. There is
:18:29. > :18:31.likely to be a humanitarian crisis especially if it ends up with street
:18:32. > :18:37.to street fighting and IS are difficult to dislodge what are we
:18:38. > :18:42.doing about that? We are doing very detailed scenario planning. It is
:18:43. > :18:46.very uncertain what the scenario will be but much investment has gone
:18:47. > :18:56.into creating a network of camps, refugees STUDIO: Refugee camps
:18:57. > :19:02.around cash refugee camps, and that is where money, British money, 40
:19:03. > :19:05.million has gone recently into supporting that, especially in terms
:19:06. > :19:13.of medical support to people. The United nation's emergency response
:19:14. > :19:15.budget is ?196 million but only one third funded which sounds like we
:19:16. > :19:20.are putting up a big chunk of what is already being funded. Why is
:19:21. > :19:23.that? The international committee can't say they haven't seen this
:19:24. > :19:30.assault coming, and the humanitarian fallout they may see from it. You
:19:31. > :19:34.are absolutely right. We have seen it coming and we have been planning
:19:35. > :19:39.since debris and we have put in about ?167 million into this --
:19:40. > :19:43.planning since February. There has been a change in the nature of the
:19:44. > :19:47.appeal, and if there is a lag in the accounting of it, but the money we
:19:48. > :19:51.need at this stage is in place and we do have the support structure in
:19:52. > :19:54.place for those refugees. You are right the United Nations is
:19:55. > :19:59.continuing with its appeal and is asking for more money at the moment.
:20:00. > :20:02.The converse magazine wrote this week that preparations for a big
:20:03. > :20:08.exodus of people leaving the city have been made -- Economist
:20:09. > :20:13.magazine. But confidence is not high in the preparations, is that a
:20:14. > :20:17.unfair conclusion? If you can imagine the different scenarios it
:20:18. > :20:20.could be a few thousand and it could be a few hundred thousand coming out
:20:21. > :20:25.of the city through a front line where the war is going on, that is
:20:26. > :20:28.very difficult. You have to screen those people and disarm them, and
:20:29. > :20:32.keep families together, and transport them and you have to bring
:20:33. > :20:36.them into the refugee camps. The people working on this have been
:20:37. > :20:40.working on this for long time, we have mapped the different routes we
:20:41. > :20:47.have good camp infrastructure in place and we have people who have
:20:48. > :20:50.worked in south to dam and other areas who are putting their
:20:51. > :20:54.structures in place -- South Sudan. It is never easy but I think we have
:20:55. > :20:58.done everything we can in the preparation for this. What is the
:20:59. > :21:04.British role in what will probably be an even bigger issue, assuming
:21:05. > :21:10.that Mosul is liberated and retaken, the humanitarian crisis is dealt
:21:11. > :21:16.with, what role will we play in the rebuilding of Mosul? That will be
:21:17. > :21:21.crucial to the future of Iraq, the second-biggest city and it will need
:21:22. > :21:26.to be rebuilt. It will need to be rebuilt as a community as well as
:21:27. > :21:30.bricks and mortar. And eight Sunni community that is not harassed by
:21:31. > :21:37.the Shia. -- and eight. You are right. One of the core drivers is
:21:38. > :21:40.that the Sunni community felt excluded and they did not feel they
:21:41. > :21:46.have the trust from the Baghdad government. A lasting solution is
:21:47. > :21:51.stopping some of Islamic State coming back, that involves making
:21:52. > :21:56.sure the Sunni community have a stake in their future. That is
:21:57. > :22:01.making sure that the governing structures are in place. The UK s
:22:02. > :22:06.response is twofold, we have got to get the humanitarian aid right, that
:22:07. > :22:11.is the short term, people who might be malnourished, coming out of the
:22:12. > :22:14.front line. The second thing is working with the Iraqi government to
:22:15. > :22:18.make sure that as we rebuild Mosul we do so in a way that that
:22:19. > :22:25.population feels a connection to the Iraqi state. Islamic State is losing
:22:26. > :22:30.territory everywhere in the Levant, it is almost finished in Iraq, we
:22:31. > :22:36.think. It is down to one district in Libya, as well, just one small part
:22:37. > :22:40.of the town. I suppose the risk is, if life is becoming more difficult
:22:41. > :22:46.across these areas, it can start to look more in Europe and the United
:22:47. > :22:52.Kingdom as a place to continue its terrorist attacks? That is a real
:22:53. > :22:56.danger. You are right. This is a group which has proved over the last
:22:57. > :23:02.five years very unpredictable and it changes for it quickly full stop
:23:03. > :23:07.often it does unexpected things In 2009 its predecessor had been
:23:08. > :23:11.largely wiped out in Iraq and when it was under pressure in Syria it
:23:12. > :23:15.went back into Iraq, and in the past it didn't hold territory but now it
:23:16. > :23:18.holds territory, so you are right. There is a serious risk that as it
:23:19. > :23:23.gets squeezed in the middle East it will try to pop up somewhere else
:23:24. > :23:27.and Mac could include Europe and the United States -- that could. They
:23:28. > :23:33.say that is something they have focused on full stop we also have a
:23:34. > :23:35.big focus on counterterrorism security and making sure that we
:23:36. > :23:47.keep the United Kingdom and Europe say. One final question. -- say --
:23:48. > :23:51.safe. Maybe events in Mosul could add to the migration crisis in
:23:52. > :23:58.Europe, is that a possibility? Again, you are right, we have seen
:23:59. > :24:01.in Syria it can push migration, the biggest push the migration was the
:24:02. > :24:03.conflict in Syria, and that's the reason why we have but so much
:24:04. > :24:08.energy into getting those refugee camps in place and getting the
:24:09. > :24:13.humanitarian response in place - put so much energy. People will want
:24:14. > :24:16.to remain in their homes, this is their country, but we have got to
:24:17. > :24:20.make it possible for them and that means in the short term looking
:24:21. > :24:23.after their shelter and in the medium to long-term making sure they
:24:24. > :24:29.have livelihoods, jobs and an economic development which is why
:24:30. > :24:32.our support in Iraq is in the UK National interests because it deals
:24:33. > :24:40.with these issues of migration and terrorists. Thanks for joining us.
:24:41. > :24:47.I'm joined now by the Shadow Defence Secretary.
:24:48. > :24:59.Does Labour support British participation in this offensive We
:25:00. > :25:03.fully support the participation in this offensive, extremely important
:25:04. > :25:09.move forward and we voted for this back in 2014. We are asking the
:25:10. > :25:13.government question is, of course, I was asking the Secretary of State
:25:14. > :25:18.this week about this very offensive but we are fully behind our RAF
:25:19. > :25:23.pilots out there and be trading that has been going on to help the forces
:25:24. > :25:27.on the ground. -- the training full stop that is very clear. I wonder if
:25:28. > :25:34.you'll lead it shares that clarity and that position. -- is your
:25:35. > :25:36.leader. This is what Jeremy Corbyn has said.
:25:37. > :25:38.What's been done in Iraq is done by the Iraqi
:25:39. > :25:40.government, and currently supported by the British government.
:25:41. > :25:42.I did not support it when it came up.
:25:43. > :25:46.Well, I'm not sure how successful it's been, because most
:25:47. > :25:50.of the action now appears to be moving in to Syria, so I think we
:25:51. > :25:59.He doesn't sound very supportive. The issue about Mosul, it has been
:26:00. > :26:02.very carefully prepared as Rory Stewart said and I hope we have
:26:03. > :26:07.learned the lessons from previous offensives where we haven't learnt
:26:08. > :26:11.sufficiently, and that is going to be crucial in this context. How the
:26:12. > :26:17.aftermath is going to be dealt with. Of course will stop that clip was
:26:18. > :26:25.from November last year, and things have changed. Two weeks ago he told
:26:26. > :26:29.the BBC" I'm not sure it is working", in reference to air
:26:30. > :26:33.strikes in Iraq, but it is working. We have got to see what happens in
:26:34. > :26:35.Mosul, it is a very high-risk operation, but we also have to face
:26:36. > :26:40.the fact that the people there are living under tyranny at the moment.
:26:41. > :26:48.We have to ask very cirrus question shall stop he says he's not sure it
:26:49. > :26:52.is working, when Mosul is the last major target be cleared of Islamic
:26:53. > :26:57.State in Iraq. The combination of Allied air power has worked, why is
:26:58. > :27:02.he not sure it is working? Because we have seen difficulties in the
:27:03. > :27:06.past. But this was two weeks ago. It is essential that the work is done,
:27:07. > :27:09.both planning for the refugees as Rory Stewart referred to, but also
:27:10. > :27:15.in terms of reconstruction of the city and its community as you
:27:16. > :27:19.mentioned. These are vital. This was about the ability to make progress
:27:20. > :27:24.with Allied air power, special forces in Iraq, on the ground, do
:27:25. > :27:36.you accept so far that has a strategy that seems to be working to
:27:37. > :27:45.read Iraq of Islamic -- to read Iraq of Islamic State the question of the
:27:46. > :27:52.car began placement. Ulloa -- we can't be complacent. The problems
:27:53. > :27:57.they are creating where ever they are urged that we must continue to
:27:58. > :28:01.pursue them. This is the first time we have spoken to since you have
:28:02. > :28:05.become the Shadow Defence Secretary. I hope we will have a longer
:28:06. > :28:12.interview. Will Labour's next manifesto include a commitment to
:28:13. > :28:15.the renewal of Trident? It will We made that commitment in 2007, that
:28:16. > :28:19.is a firm commitment and we will honour that to our coalition allies
:28:20. > :28:23.and our industrial partners and that is the vote which was taken
:28:24. > :28:26.democratically and repeatedly has been reaffirmed by Labour conference
:28:27. > :28:35.and we are a democratic party vote up you have squared that with Jeremy
:28:36. > :28:38.Corbyn? He's in favour of democracy and he understands the situation,
:28:39. > :28:42.but we also want to push for the UK to play a much bigger role on the
:28:43. > :28:48.international stage on multilateral disarmament talks. You were very
:28:49. > :28:53.clear there, I thank you for that. Support for Trident will be in the
:28:54. > :28:57.next Labour manifesto. What has happened to Labour's review of
:28:58. > :29:01.Trident policy? That review has been taking place over the year, we had a
:29:02. > :29:05.very clear reaffirmation in the conference boat this year, we are
:29:06. > :29:13.reaffirming our commitment to Trident -- vote. The review can t
:29:14. > :29:16.change that? There is a process of review and a fair number of issues
:29:17. > :29:23.related to defence, all parties do this. Of course. The review can t
:29:24. > :29:27.change the commitment to Trident? We are not changing the commitment to
:29:28. > :29:31.Trident. Russia is now the main strategic threat to this country? It
:29:32. > :29:34.is a major strategic threat and we have got to work with our Nato
:29:35. > :29:39.allies very closely and make sure that we respond and that we do not
:29:40. > :29:42.let things pass. For example, we should be calling out Russia for the
:29:43. > :29:47.way it has been a bombing humanitarian aid and we should be
:29:48. > :29:52.taking them to international court over this, but we should also be
:29:53. > :29:57.strengthening sanctions, somewhat imposed over Ukraine. We try to do
:29:58. > :30:02.that, but the Italians wouldn't let us. The Italians did not want to
:30:03. > :30:07.participate in the European initiative but that doesn't stop
:30:08. > :30:12.individual countries for the Britain should step up? Yes, we should look
:30:13. > :30:18.at what is practical to impose. Thanks for joining us.
:30:19. > :30:21.Mosul is not the only major battle being waged in the Middle East.
:30:22. > :30:24.The city of Aleppo in northern Syria has seen some of the heaviest
:30:25. > :30:27.bombardment since Syria's five-year-long civil war began.
:30:28. > :30:30.This week Russian warships, in a deliberate show of power,
:30:31. > :30:34.sailed west through the English channel en route to Syria.
:30:35. > :30:37.Nato says it's Russia's "largest surface deployment" since the end
:30:38. > :30:40.of the Cold War in what is thought to be preparation
:30:41. > :30:44.for a final assault on the besieged city of Aleppo.
:30:45. > :30:48.In the city itself fighting resumed overnight -
:30:49. > :30:53.following a 3-day ceasefire - with more air strikes and heavy
:30:54. > :30:56.clashes in the city's rebel-held eastern districts.
:30:57. > :30:59.Almost 500 people have been killed and 2,000 injured
:31:00. > :31:03.since Syrian government forces, backed by Russian air strikes,
:31:04. > :31:11.This week Theresa May condemned Vladimir Putin's involvement
:31:12. > :31:13.in Syria, accusing Moscow of being behind "sickening
:31:14. > :31:17.atrocities" in support of President Assad's regime.
:31:18. > :31:21.But European leaders are divided on how to respond and,
:31:22. > :31:23.with the United States preoccupied with domestic politics,
:31:24. > :31:27.President Putin senses this is his moment to bring the Syrian
:31:28. > :31:35.I'm joined now by the BBC's former Diplomatic and Moscow Correspondent,
:31:36. > :31:43.Bridget Kendall, who is now Master of Peterhouse College in Cambridge.
:31:44. > :31:51.Welcome. Good to see you in the BBC studio again. Let me put up this
:31:52. > :31:59.satellite image of Aleppo here, to get an idea of the scale. It was the
:32:00. > :32:03.biggest city in Syria. It was the commercial capital and a huge
:32:04. > :32:07.cultural hub as well. Almost the New York of Syria, to give you an idea
:32:08. > :32:13.of its significance to the country. Let me show you now how it's been
:32:14. > :32:21.divided. The rebels are now in control of the eastern part, about
:32:22. > :32:24.eight miles long and three miles wide there, they're in purple. They
:32:25. > :32:31.are under great attacks still. Is it inevitable that that purple part
:32:32. > :32:37.falls to the regime? That is what President as Saad, the Russians and
:32:38. > :32:43.the Iranians hope. The fierce bombardments we have seen is part of
:32:44. > :32:49.that. I'm reminded very much in the Russian tactics of what happened in
:32:50. > :32:54.grudgingly in Chechnya in 2000, when the Russians said, a warning for all
:32:55. > :32:59.civilians to lead, and then they went ahead and they basically raised
:33:00. > :33:04.it to the ground. They are talking about Al Nusrah as being one of the
:33:05. > :33:08.rebel groups. They got rid of all of the terrorists. They talk about it
:33:09. > :33:13.being an Al-Qaeda offshoot. The purpose of going in is to get rid of
:33:14. > :33:18.them. You get the civilians out and then you take it. But this isn't
:33:19. > :33:23.like Chechnya. It is much more complex. We have seen an attempt to
:33:24. > :33:28.take Aleppo before, and then there was a rebel counter offensive. It's
:33:29. > :33:31.not so certain. And there are so many different parties involved We
:33:32. > :33:35.have seen the alarm in the west of the extent of the civilian
:33:36. > :33:45.casualties. There have been rumblings in the west of, shouldn't
:33:46. > :33:47.the United States do something? Shouldn't they stop the Syrian air
:33:48. > :33:51.force? This Russian aircraft carrier steaming its way towards the Eastern
:33:52. > :33:59.Mediterranean is a symbolic gesture, both to its own people, but also to
:34:00. > :34:04.the West, to say, don't get involved in Aleppo if we go ahead. Don't try
:34:05. > :34:09.and stop us because we could up the ante. They have not been great
:34:10. > :34:14.visual pictures, because the aircraft carrier looks a bit clapped
:34:15. > :34:21.out, belching out smoke! If the rebel controlled area does fall it
:34:22. > :34:25.would be seen as a great victory for President as Saad and his Russian
:34:26. > :34:30.allies. What is the aim of Russia here? What would they then do, if
:34:31. > :34:35.Aleppo Falls? It is part of a plan that President Putin set out in his
:34:36. > :34:40.UN speech in 2014, before Russia went into Syria. The aim is to put
:34:41. > :34:45.President Assad back in charge. President Putin said this weekend
:34:46. > :34:51.that either is Assad in Damascus, or its Al Nusrah. There is nothing in
:34:52. > :34:56.between. They want to eliminate the argument for a moderate opposition.
:34:57. > :35:03.They want to make it plain that the only way to get a stable Syria is to
:35:04. > :35:12.have Assad back in charge. Even sue argue for a rump steak lit, leaving
:35:13. > :35:17.aside what is happening with IAS. They have already said they want to
:35:18. > :35:22.have an enlarged military presence at their bases. And they have a big
:35:23. > :35:27.naval base. It is. It is a chance to push for this when he sees the West
:35:28. > :35:35.is being distracted and divided Europe and America, by elections and
:35:36. > :35:39.so on. Just before the US elections. The Americans are worried about
:35:40. > :35:44.that, Europeans are being distracted by Brexit. He can push to his
:35:45. > :35:53.maximum advantage now, before there is a new US president. If they do
:35:54. > :36:01.take that part of Aleppo, and that part of northern Syria, does Mr
:36:02. > :36:06.Putin want us to recognise, to admit, that that is now his sphere
:36:07. > :36:11.of influence? I think the rhetoric from the Russians is that they want
:36:12. > :36:15.the West to recognise that they are an equal powerful partner. It's not
:36:16. > :36:21.just the US that runs the writ in the Middle East. Russia is as
:36:22. > :36:26.important as it is. It is engaging with Saudi Arabia and has mended
:36:27. > :36:32.fences with Turkey. Syria is the place from which it can launch its
:36:33. > :36:37.message that it is a big player in the Middle East. Russia wants the
:36:38. > :36:40.West to understand that this isn't a country that was dismembered after
:36:41. > :36:45.the end of the Soviet Union and is now a week. It is back, and it is
:36:46. > :36:52.strong. That is an important message. Looking at the economy It
:36:53. > :36:57.is in recession. GDP has been falling, partly because of the price
:36:58. > :37:02.of oil. It is highly dependent on hydrocarbons, and is expected to
:37:03. > :37:07.fall again. Its people are falling again. People don't realise how
:37:08. > :37:14.small the Russian economy is. Its GDP is about the size of Italy's. It
:37:15. > :37:22.is smaller than the UK economy. Bigger than it was 15 or 20 years
:37:23. > :37:27.ago. But so is Britain's does it help to take people's mind of this?
:37:28. > :37:33.A huge shock to the Russian economy was a drop in the price of oil and a
:37:34. > :37:39.price of gas. A drop in the price of the ruble as well. This is hurting
:37:40. > :37:44.the people of Russia. On the one hand, it is the war in Syria, which
:37:45. > :37:49.is very important for Russia to sort out that part of the world and
:37:50. > :37:56.dispensed terrorists who might be danger to -- is dangerous to Russia.
:37:57. > :38:01.But he had also has presidential election is going up. They are
:38:02. > :38:05.supposed to be 2018, but some feel he will bring them forward to 2 17,
:38:06. > :38:10.because the economy is not doing so well. But you need a good story for
:38:11. > :38:13.the Russian people. Thank you very much.
:38:14. > :38:15.We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland who leave us now
:38:16. > :38:19.Coming up here in 20 minutes, the Week Ahead.
:38:20. > :38:25.First, though, the Sunday Politics where you are.
:38:26. > :38:28.Hello and welcome to the London part of the show.
:38:29. > :38:33.Slum conditions in one of the richest cities on earth
:38:34. > :38:39.Should all private landlords be licensed to help tackle the squalor?
:38:40. > :38:41.Joining me for the duration of the show - Andrew Rosindell,
:38:42. > :38:44.Conservative MP for Romford, and Dawn Butler, Labour MP
:38:45. > :38:50.for Brent Central, and newly promoted to Labour's front bench.
:38:51. > :38:54.MPs are going to get a vote on Brexit -
:38:55. > :38:58.that is, a vote on the terms on which we plan to leave the EU.
:38:59. > :39:00.But what signs yet that London's interests are at the forefront
:39:01. > :39:03.of the government's mind as it starts to think about
:39:04. > :39:18.Dorner, any view? I think that it is lucky that we have Sadiq Khan
:39:19. > :39:23.pushing the London perspective. And in Parliament, we have to hold the
:39:24. > :39:28.government to account. I think the government is in a mess. The reason
:39:29. > :39:32.why we are getting a vote on the terms is because, in opposition we
:39:33. > :39:37.put forward a good argument, and the government had to accept it. All in
:39:38. > :39:44.all, I think David Davis was a bit pathetic in his comeback. The
:39:45. > :39:48.government is in a mess. Should London be getting important
:39:49. > :39:53.treatment, prominence, in any kind of negotiations in terms of Brexit
:39:54. > :40:00.because of its economic status? No. London is part of the UK, our
:40:01. > :40:04.capital city. Although in London not everyone voted for Brexit, you have
:40:05. > :40:10.to look at the entire interests of the UK. We had a democratic vote.
:40:11. > :40:13.There is going to be a Brexit. We need to get a good agreement for
:40:14. > :40:20.trade and cooperation to benefit the whole country. Talking about seats
:40:21. > :40:25.at tables, negotiating seats, and Scotland and Wales having a
:40:26. > :40:31.prominence. Would you expect London to have a parity? Not at all. The
:40:32. > :40:36.long-term interest of our country is to trade globally again, decide our
:40:37. > :40:40.own immigration policy. All of those things are really UK wide issue
:40:41. > :40:45.London can express its views, that it is the UK Government who has to
:40:46. > :40:53.make the decisions. That shows why the Tory party is in such a mess.
:40:54. > :40:57.London is ABBA financial capital. It needs to have some special
:40:58. > :40:59.consideration. It is crazy. Let s move on.
:41:00. > :41:01.It didn't happen last week - but looks like it it's
:41:02. > :41:05.Of course, it now feels like it won't be much
:41:06. > :41:08.and her special cabinet sub-committee decide that Heathrow
:41:09. > :41:14.But the decision would only set in train a complex process,
:41:15. > :41:17.After years of deliberation and delays, the government's
:41:18. > :41:22.decision on airport expansion is finally expected next week.
:41:23. > :41:26.And in all likelihood, it's going to be this place - Heathrow.
:41:27. > :41:29.But there are a number of reasons why those awaiting the third runway
:41:30. > :41:34.The Prime Minister is being accused of further dithering,
:41:35. > :41:37.after she signalled this week that Parliament won't vote
:41:38. > :41:45.There is, then, a formal process that has to be undertaken.
:41:46. > :41:51.So the government will identify its preferred option of site.
:41:52. > :41:53.That will then go to a statutory consultation.
:41:54. > :41:56.The government will then consider the results of the statutory
:41:57. > :41:59.consultation and bring forward an Airports National Planning
:42:00. > :42:03.Statement on which this house will vote.
:42:04. > :42:05.Critics say the Prime Minister's running scared
:42:06. > :42:10.She's relaxing cabinet collective responsibility to allow
:42:11. > :42:13.the likes of Boris Johnson and Justine Greening to speak out
:42:14. > :42:16.There's also a rebellion threatened in Richmond.
:42:17. > :42:20.Zac Goldsmith has pledged to step down and fight a by-election.
:42:21. > :42:23.Richmond Tories this week said they'd back him as an independent
:42:24. > :42:30.And then there are the legal challenges from local councils.
:42:31. > :42:33.No matter what party is in control, the government cannot break the law.
:42:34. > :42:36.That's what the judge told them in 2010, and that's
:42:37. > :42:39.what will happen if they try to move on without dealing
:42:40. > :42:45.Next week's decision might seem historic to some,
:42:46. > :42:48.but this wouldn't be the first time governments have announced
:42:49. > :42:54.Just as the idea of expanding Heathrow seems like it
:42:55. > :42:56.might finally take off, there's every reason to believe it
:42:57. > :43:12.Andrew Rossendale, do you think the time has come to go for this? No.
:43:13. > :43:16.This has gone on for far too long. We need to make long-term decisions
:43:17. > :43:22.in the interest of the whole country. Whilst we are delaying
:43:23. > :43:25.these decisions, we are potentially damaging our economy. I think it
:43:26. > :43:30.really is the time to make a decision and get on with it. In
:43:31. > :43:36.terms of managing expectations, people will not be surprised if
:43:37. > :43:39.Theresa May says we will go for Heathrow this week, after all the
:43:40. > :43:43.controversy. It has taken so long. Just make a decision and then let's
:43:44. > :43:50.talk about the decision that needs to be made. I don't think that
:43:51. > :43:57.Heathrow should be the priority decision. I think it should actually
:43:58. > :44:02.be Gatwick. Back in 2009, 2010, when you are trying to be elected, you
:44:03. > :44:07.were supporting it. That is before I knew how many people died because of
:44:08. > :44:13.poor air quality around my area almost 10,000 people a year. I don't
:44:14. > :44:17.think we can overlook that. That has to be a consideration on airport
:44:18. > :44:27.expansion. Why don't Unite, the biggest union, say that this is the
:44:28. > :44:32.biggest, most important thing for jobs. It is important for jobs, but
:44:33. > :44:36.it doesn't necessarily have to be at Heathrow. It might be the case in
:44:37. > :44:41.future that both airports need expanding. We need to tackle the
:44:42. > :44:44.air-quality issue. Lots of senior Labour figures, when they decided on
:44:45. > :44:49.this policy several years ago, didn't feel it would happen either,
:44:50. > :44:51.because they felt there would be legal challenges or air quality
:44:52. > :44:58.would be an issue. Do you really think that will happen? I have
:44:59. > :45:04.always been a bit sceptical about it, and I haven't been 100% for
:45:05. > :45:08.Heathrow. But I think we are at a stage that if we don't hurry up and
:45:09. > :45:12.get on with something, we will regret this long-term. We will lose
:45:13. > :45:16.jobs and damage our economy. There are other airports on the other side
:45:17. > :45:19.of the English Channel, in the Netherlands and in France, that
:45:20. > :45:25.could potentially compete and take away the prominence of Heathrow as a
:45:26. > :45:30.major airport in this part of Europe. So we need to get on with
:45:31. > :45:35.the job and make a decision. What about the politics and the party
:45:36. > :45:40.management? The prominent critics, Justine Greening and Boris Johnson,
:45:41. > :45:45.paying a lot of attention at the Prime Minister spoke. To allow them
:45:46. > :45:50.time-limited to criticise or to speak out. What do you think of
:45:51. > :45:56.that? When something is affecting our local community, such as a major
:45:57. > :46:00.road, or Crossrail, coming through my constituency. I was very unhappy
:46:01. > :46:04.with it initially, because it will do damage to one part of the
:46:05. > :46:08.community. We have got over that, and now we are pleased that
:46:09. > :46:13.Crossrail is coming through. It will take an hour to get to Heathrow from
:46:14. > :46:18.Romford. What do you say to Boris Johnson about what he should say
:46:19. > :46:23.about the decision, and the history airport?
:46:24. > :46:30.MPs are entitled to raise concerns if it affects their constituencies,
:46:31. > :46:32.but we have to make a decision, as a government, to make a decision for
:46:33. > :46:36.the long-term interests of the United Kingdom. What is going to
:46:37. > :46:42.happen to your party when you have the Mayor of London and people like
:46:43. > :46:50.yourself who say it isn't something that should happen? If the
:46:51. > :46:57.government endorses the Davis report, you will be split, as well,
:46:58. > :47:02.won't you,? We have got to look at the report in detail. We have been
:47:03. > :47:05.waiting for quite a while. There will be different views and
:47:06. > :47:10.differing views and I will have a different view because of how it
:47:11. > :47:16.affects my constituency and when our tests have been looked through and
:47:17. > :47:22.analysed we will probably come to a collective decision as a party for
:47:23. > :47:26.the Zac Goldsmith has said he will stand down, but he has also said he
:47:27. > :47:29.will stand as an independent if the Conservatives put up a candidate
:47:30. > :47:35.against him. They have got to do that, haven't they? I hope he won't
:47:36. > :47:40.stand as an independent, David Davis stood in a by-election which he
:47:41. > :47:47.created and he stood again as a conservative or stop it has said he
:47:48. > :47:57.-- he has said he will divorce that is a matter for him and the party. I
:47:58. > :48:01.respect his decision if he goes a by-election, but at the end of the
:48:02. > :48:04.day democracy has got to decide where we build this new runway and
:48:05. > :48:11.if it is Heathrow we have got to get on with it. OK, thanks.
:48:12. > :48:13.Now, to counter rogue landlords the Liberal democrats are calling
:48:14. > :48:15.for a London-wide licensing system for all people who
:48:16. > :48:18.A few authorities do this now, like Newham -
:48:19. > :48:20.though the government hasn't decided yet whether it's
:48:21. > :48:23.going to allow the council to renew its scheme,
:48:24. > :48:26.Officers from Newham Council this week making a surprise inspection.
:48:27. > :48:33.Every landlord in the borough needs a licence from the local
:48:34. > :48:40.You might not be able to smell this, but there's quite a serious gas leak
:48:41. > :48:43.We think it's coming from the cooker.
:48:44. > :48:48.We've got a room here where everyone in the property is smoking.
:48:49. > :48:50.There's no fire detection, and then we've got a very tight
:48:51. > :48:53.kitchen with a cooker that is blocking
:48:54. > :49:00.So if there was a fire, and you're in that room,
:49:01. > :49:04.This would originally have been part of the garden,
:49:05. > :49:07.but someone's thrown up some walls and turned that into the bathroom.
:49:08. > :49:09.And if we come in, particularly unpleasant bathroom,
:49:10. > :49:19.The question is, how does this make you feel if you're living here?
:49:20. > :49:21.What impact does this have on your life?
:49:22. > :49:24.And if you're here, you can tell it's going to have a big impact
:49:25. > :49:26.There's a dehumanising element to it.
:49:27. > :49:28.How does it make you feel to live here?
:49:29. > :49:33.But you haven't got any where else to go?
:49:34. > :49:40.New research by the Liberal Democrats on the London Assembly,
:49:41. > :49:42.seen exclusively by Sunday Politics, has found that Newham are far
:49:43. > :49:48.and away the toughest council in London, taking 286 prosecutions
:49:49. > :49:53.against landlords in the last year we have figures for,
:49:54. > :50:02.In contrast, 16 London boroughs have prosecuted fewer than ten.
:50:03. > :50:03.A further eight didn't prosecute any.
:50:04. > :50:05.The Lib Dems say they want Newham-style landlord
:50:06. > :50:08.Quite a few boroughs in London have partial schemes
:50:09. > :50:12.for part of their borough, but what I want, for across
:50:13. > :50:14.London there to be a blanket licensing scheme.
:50:15. > :50:16.Landlords can offset the costs against their tax returns so it
:50:17. > :50:22.What it does mean, it enables local authorities to have the officers
:50:23. > :50:25.in place who can take action where it is needed and I think
:50:26. > :50:27.across London in the last year there have been 4000 cases
:50:28. > :50:30.where very serious hazards have been found.
:50:31. > :50:32.Whether it is not having electricity, not having
:50:33. > :50:38.People should not be living in London in those
:50:39. > :50:49.But would mandatory licensing risk punishing all the good landlords?
:50:50. > :50:52.By making them unfairly pay for all of the rogue ones.
:50:53. > :50:54.Richard Blanco from the National Landlords Association
:50:55. > :51:03.In Newham of the 22,000 landlords that have been licensed only 4%
:51:04. > :51:05.of them are deemed as being of concern and I would hope
:51:06. > :51:13.that the local authority could use their existing resources
:51:14. > :51:15.to find that relatively small number of non compliant landlords.
:51:16. > :51:18.The government seems to have no appetite for mandatory licensing.
:51:19. > :51:20.There is an issue here, you are asking every single
:51:21. > :51:22.landlord, many of whom do a perfectly good job,
:51:23. > :51:31.There's an argument for concentrating on the properties
:51:32. > :51:33.in the particular geographical area where you think
:51:34. > :51:37.That said, in Newham's case they were able to go ahead
:51:38. > :51:40.with the borough wide scheme and I think that is part of London
:51:41. > :51:42.where the problem has been at its worst.
:51:43. > :51:44.But could the government be about to call time
:51:45. > :51:48.It is due to wind up next year and the council have to reapply
:51:49. > :51:52.We will wait to see the evidence first.
:51:53. > :51:55.I think it is my job to look at the evidence of what they have
:51:56. > :51:59.done and then I will take a decision at that point in time.
:52:00. > :52:01.But what I do want your viewers to be clear about is
:52:02. > :52:04.that the government is determined to crack down on rogue landlords.
:52:05. > :52:08.It is not just that it is a disgrace that vulnerable people should be
:52:09. > :52:09.forced to live in this kind of accommodation,
:52:10. > :52:12.it is also very unfair to the legitimate people
:52:13. > :52:14.who are good landlords who are being undercut by people
:52:15. > :52:18.So, could it be, rather than the Lib Dems call for schemes
:52:19. > :52:21.like Newham to be rolled out across the capital,
:52:22. > :52:23.that we are actually about to see it all scaled back?
:52:24. > :52:25.I am joined by Sir Robin Wales, Mayor of Newham.
:52:26. > :52:28.The point made by the landlords association, just a small number
:52:29. > :52:33.that you end up tackling but everyone is buying. Two things
:52:34. > :52:41.happen, the scheme is ?1 80 per week for a landlord. -- everyone is
:52:42. > :52:45.paying. There are amateur landlords that we can help and advice, it is a
:52:46. > :52:51.supportive scheme, but they are also criminal landlords who are packing
:52:52. > :52:56.people into homes and exploiting people and the amount of anti-social
:52:57. > :52:59.behaviour that happens in these places is astonishing and that is
:53:00. > :53:03.why we originally did it across the borough, and since we have done that
:53:04. > :53:09.anti-social behaviour has fallen by 60% in those properties. You being
:53:10. > :53:16.overzealous, you are far and away out there doing it? -- you are. Why
:53:17. > :53:20.is that? We have put money into law-enforcement. Is the problem
:53:21. > :53:28.worse there than in other places? Yes. But there are other bad places,
:53:29. > :53:32.as well. Why did they not do what you have done? We have decided it
:53:33. > :53:39.was important to our residents and we put money into it. About 120
:53:40. > :53:44.people who spend a significant part of the time in forcing. It is no
:53:45. > :53:53.good having a licensing scheme unless you in force and we have got
:53:54. > :53:58.criminal landlords, which we call them, and those properties become
:53:59. > :54:03.family homes rather than places in which people live in those
:54:04. > :54:11.conditions you saw. Brent, there must be problems there? We don't
:54:12. > :54:14.have full landlord licensing in all areas of Brent, in three areas, so
:54:15. > :54:19.we are not doing as well as Newham in that respect. There is a problem
:54:20. > :54:26.with rogue landlords and they need to be weeded out. Brent prosecuted
:54:27. > :54:34.50 rogue landlords and there was one who had a daughter property. -- who
:54:35. > :54:39.had a lot of property. There is a problem? There is a scheme which
:54:40. > :54:43.issues but landlords, if they need help and people are not paying their
:54:44. > :54:48.rents, -- which is helpful to landlords. It is a scheme which is
:54:49. > :54:51.weeding out rogue landlords and making sure people have a decent
:54:52. > :54:55.place to live because those people renting in Brent has gone up 86 and
:54:56. > :55:00.that is a lot of people renting spending a lot of money for
:55:01. > :55:02.substandard accommodation. One of your local authorities is about to
:55:03. > :55:09.introduce it, do you think they should? Is it a big problem. It is
:55:10. > :55:13.becoming a real problem, and I think what Robin is saying is right. If
:55:14. > :55:18.you don't deal with it across the board you will have loopholes and
:55:19. > :55:24.people will slip through, and also you push it out. If it is dealt with
:55:25. > :55:27.in one borough but not the next the problem is pushed out further, and
:55:28. > :55:33.in Hay bring we are taking decisive action to deal with it. -- pave
:55:34. > :55:36.ring. Hopefully we will work with Newham to look at the best practice
:55:37. > :55:44.to make sure this works impractical terms. The Newham scheme is
:55:45. > :55:49.time-limited, should it be extended? Sometimes you have to let local
:55:50. > :55:54.authorities have flexibility. I m not convinced that everything needs
:55:55. > :55:57.to go via the government, there is a problem in London and it is
:55:58. > :56:02.happening across the whole of the capital, including outer London
:56:03. > :56:06.boroughs where I am, we need some kind of licensing to clamp down on
:56:07. > :56:09.these people, they are ruining local communities and destroying nice
:56:10. > :56:14.family homes and turning it into a place that no one wants to live You
:56:15. > :56:19.are organising it and paying for it and administrating it. Why should
:56:20. > :56:23.the government determine whether you should carry it on? I think it
:56:24. > :56:28.should be dealt with locally, like most things, Brent is doing partial,
:56:29. > :56:32.that is fine. They know their local situation better than government.
:56:33. > :56:37.Leaving us free to do it would be effective. I give you an example,
:56:38. > :56:44.21% of the people in my borough do not get the national minimum wage
:56:45. > :56:47.because government enforces. We have been campaigning to enforce so we
:56:48. > :56:50.stopped exploiting people in the workplace as well as in where they
:56:51. > :56:57.live, but because government hasn't given us those powers it is not
:56:58. > :57:05.enforced. Make local authorities make the decisions locally. You re
:57:06. > :57:13.not going to have a bridge going across from Galleon 's reach. You
:57:14. > :57:17.wanted that? You are disappointed? They will be a public transport link
:57:18. > :57:21.but we want more than that and we will continue to campaign along with
:57:22. > :57:25.most of East London, to say we want that bridge, but to be fair Sadiq
:57:26. > :57:30.Khan is looking at things and considering it. He has not been in
:57:31. > :57:34.that long. Let's wait eight years, if he has failed for eight years
:57:35. > :57:40.like Boris Johnson, maybe we can criticise him. He has said he might
:57:41. > :57:49.consider another DLR, but not a road. We gave up with Boris. You're
:57:50. > :57:53.going to give up with Sadiq Khan? I'd tell you the difference, Boris
:57:54. > :57:58.Johnson gave as a cable car, Sadiq Khan is talking about a proper
:57:59. > :58:03.transport link. He is listening and we will discuss it with him and we
:58:04. > :58:05.will keep campaigning. We are very helpful and very optimistic, but I
:58:06. > :58:11.will criticise him after eight years of failure like Boris. OK, we will
:58:12. > :58:15.leave you with that. Thank you. Now for the rest of the political
:58:16. > :58:18.news - in 60 seconds. London Mayor Sadiq Khan has begun
:58:19. > :58:22.lobbying for a London visa. So that businesses in the capital
:58:23. > :58:25.can continue to hire from abroad, after an anticipated end to free
:58:26. > :58:29.movement from within the EU. This is a critical issue for London
:58:30. > :58:33.business and higher education. Access to talent is a vital part
:58:34. > :58:36.of London's economy, creating jobs The Conservatives have hit out
:58:37. > :58:44.at boundary review proposals the North West London,
:58:45. > :58:47.in an attempt to keep Under current proposals
:58:48. > :58:53.Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson s seat of Uxbridge and South Ruislip
:58:54. > :58:55.will be split between the new seat of Hillingdon and Uxbridge
:58:56. > :58:59.and the existing Ruislip Northwood and Pinner seat represented by Tory
:59:00. > :59:02.minister Nick Hurd. The UK Government has been hauled
:59:03. > :59:05.back before the courts over its failure to
:59:06. > :59:09.tackle air pollution. In a case beginning this week
:59:10. > :59:13.a group called Client Earth is asking the High Court to order
:59:14. > :59:31.ministers to come up with a better If London can cope, culturally and
:59:32. > :59:36.in its attitudes, to more immigration, and needs them for its
:59:37. > :59:42.economy, should it have a special treatment, a regionalised Visa
:59:43. > :59:46.system? In order for there not to be huge panic, and currently there is,
:59:47. > :59:49.businesses are panicking, people already here are panicking about
:59:50. > :59:55.whether they will have security of job, then, yes, it makes sense. The
:59:56. > :59:58.mayor has got his campaign to say that London is open for business and
:59:59. > :00:02.he is running a very successful campaign, and I think it is so
:00:03. > :00:07.important. We need London to give thriving in the UK. We have known
:00:08. > :00:13.your position, but now this is a reality, Brexit, do you not have any
:00:14. > :00:15.concerns when you hear the City of London and big business, people
:00:16. > :00:21.saying they are worried and they worried about skills? I'm not a
:00:22. > :00:24.slightest bit worried, but I'm really pleased we now have the
:00:25. > :00:29.opportunity to have a fair immigration system. It means whether
:00:30. > :00:33.you are Italian or Indian you get the same equal chance to live and
:00:34. > :00:38.work in Britain, the current policy by being in the EU is discrimination
:00:39. > :00:45.against the Commonwealth. What about a London wide thing? It depends how
:00:46. > :00:49.you define London. I'm in Romford which is on the edge of London, is
:00:50. > :00:55.that really part of London in this context? It is a UK wide policy
:00:56. > :00:59.which is needed, definitely flexibility, where there are regions
:01:00. > :01:02.which need certain kinds of immigration and people that need
:01:03. > :01:06.work permits for particular jobs, the governor has to be sensible
:01:07. > :01:10.about implementing that policy, but it has to be our policy -- the
:01:11. > :01:14.government. We are running out of time. The mayor Sadiq Khan is going
:01:15. > :01:16.to choose whether he would like to go ahead with this policy, I know.
:01:17. > :01:25.And now back to Andrew. So, Brexit, airports,
:01:26. > :01:47.Calais and the chances With what Rory Stewart was saying
:01:48. > :01:51.there, it is clear that Islamic State is losing territory in Iraq
:01:52. > :01:58.now, and could come under pressure in Syria as well. It used to control
:01:59. > :02:06.a whole swathe of the coast of Libya, and is now down to a small
:02:07. > :02:09.area of Sirte in Libya. But curiously, it could make them more
:02:10. > :02:14.dangerous here if they are being driven out of the Maghreb and the
:02:15. > :02:19.Levant, they could be more dangerous here. Discuss. That was a very
:02:20. > :02:24.interesting admission from a government minister, of all people,
:02:25. > :02:32.and a well-informed one. Chasing Isis around the Middle East is
:02:33. > :02:35.about... Like chasing Al-Qaeda around Afghanistan and Pakistan You
:02:36. > :02:44.smash them somewhere, and they pop up somewhere else. He is right to
:02:45. > :02:56.warn that these guys will go somewhere. And it may well be, in
:02:57. > :03:01.Sirte, for example, across the magic oration -- across the Mediterranean
:03:02. > :03:04.into Italy. A lot of the foreign fighters in Mosul have already gone,
:03:05. > :03:13.we heard, which raises the question, to where? I think it is quite right
:03:14. > :03:17.for government ministers to warn that it might have repercussions
:03:18. > :03:22.here. We have been involved in this, with full public consent, as far as
:03:23. > :03:26.we can tell. If it doesn't happen, if there are horrors and outrages
:03:27. > :03:33.here and in the rest of Europe, that's fine. If it does happen, at
:03:34. > :03:41.least the government is prepared. We knew surprised about how categorical
:03:42. > :03:47.Nia Griffith was? She was categorical about support for the
:03:48. > :03:54.Allied action in Iraq, and categorical about Russia. So much so
:03:55. > :03:59.that perhaps written should take tougher sanctions on its own, even
:04:00. > :04:04.if it can't get the Europeans to fall in line. I found that
:04:05. > :04:09.interesting. I was surprised by that. Tom may be right that Rory
:04:10. > :04:14.said more than perhaps he was intending, but I thought that some
:04:15. > :04:18.of what she said sounded politically imprudent in the current context of
:04:19. > :04:23.the Labour Party. I'm not sure she cleared those lines with the Labour
:04:24. > :04:28.office. I'm not sure she and Jeremy are in the same place about it. I'm
:04:29. > :04:31.not sure there is that much leadership. People at the moment get
:04:32. > :04:36.out there and say what they think it's right for the party. She
:04:37. > :04:42.sounded dead right to me. Whether it is ill-advised or not, people should
:04:43. > :04:48.answer... I want to move on, because Brexit never goes away. This week we
:04:49. > :04:52.saw Hilary Benn, former Shadow Foreign Secretary. He is going to be
:04:53. > :04:56.the chair of the select committee in the Commons which will monitor the
:04:57. > :05:00.Department for Brexit. All sorts of people will be coming to give
:05:01. > :05:03.testimony and so one. Let's hear what he told Andrew Marr.
:05:04. > :05:06.I think it will be very important for the government to indicate that
:05:07. > :05:09.if it is not possible within the two years provided for by Article 5
:05:10. > :05:12.to negotiate both our withdrawal agreement and a new trading
:05:13. > :05:13.relationship, market access, including for services,
:05:14. > :05:15.80% of our economy, million jobs, in financial services,
:05:16. > :05:18.that it should tell the House of Commons that it will seek
:05:19. > :05:24.a transitional arrangement with the European Union.
:05:25. > :05:33.If the deal is not done at the end of the two-year Article 50 process,
:05:34. > :05:38.would the government go for an interim agreement, or would it fall
:05:39. > :05:43.back on WTO, World Trade Organisation, Rawls? My
:05:44. > :05:46.understanding is the article 15 negotiation doesn't specifically
:05:47. > :05:51.include what Britain's future trading relationship with the EU
:05:52. > :05:56.would be. It is perfectly possible that Article 50 could be triggered,
:05:57. > :06:01.and after two years we don't have a trade deal, but the trade deal
:06:02. > :06:12.negotiations are ongoing when we are outside the EU. But the trade deal
:06:13. > :06:14.negotiations are the most important thing. If Article 50 doesn't cover
:06:15. > :06:17.it, what is it about? Absolutely essential. The trade deal with
:06:18. > :06:25.Canada has taken nine years, and now it looks like it is fading, because
:06:26. > :06:34.of the Walloons. Just one small part of the country. If you cannot do a
:06:35. > :06:37.free-trade deal with Canada, a progressive, social Democratic
:06:38. > :06:42.Canada, who can the EU do a trade deal with? You would think it would
:06:43. > :06:45.be easy with us, because we have all of the level playing field
:06:46. > :06:51.agreements in place. You would hope it would be easier, but it may not
:06:52. > :06:56.be, because in the end, it will hinge on the single market and if we
:06:57. > :07:05.are in or out. If we are in, can we have a small break on immigration?
:07:06. > :07:07.It looks like not. What is interesting about the opinion polls
:07:08. > :07:12.is, in the last two opinion polls there was a significant change in
:07:13. > :07:16.public opinion, where people are now saying they think that actually
:07:17. > :07:21.trade, the economy, the single market is more important than
:07:22. > :07:26.immigration. If it is really true, as the observer is reporting today,
:07:27. > :07:30.that banks are on the move, and in a year's time there could be a
:07:31. > :07:34.significant collapse in the income we get from finance, the income that
:07:35. > :07:45.the Treasury gets, then public opinion might change. They may say,
:07:46. > :07:48.we don't want more immigration, but this isn't a price worth paying
:07:49. > :07:56.Everything tends to be seen through the Brexit lens at the moment.
:07:57. > :07:59.Things are not always as they seem. The Canadian- EU free trade
:08:00. > :08:04.agreement was about increasing free trade between the EU and Canada and
:08:05. > :08:08.therefore subject to the ratification of all members. Any
:08:09. > :08:14.deal we do will not give us the same access we have at the moment. The
:08:15. > :08:20.question is, how much will it be diminished? It may not be subject to
:08:21. > :08:22.the same ratification process. Absolutely right. Another
:08:23. > :08:29.unbelievably technical point that we still don't know is, if we can get
:08:30. > :08:34.this free-trade deal with the EU at the same time as our Brexit talks
:08:35. > :08:42.and deal, the divorce deal as well as the remarriage deal, then one
:08:43. > :08:51.gets signed off by QM V. The trade deal may still need all 28, all 27,
:08:52. > :08:57.including the people from the Walloons. And the MEPs. The majority
:08:58. > :09:01.of parliament. This is exactly why Theresa May would like the
:09:02. > :09:05.transitional deal to push this one deeper. I was surprised to hear
:09:06. > :09:09.Hilary Benn pushing this line this morning. The remainers have been all
:09:10. > :09:14.over the place. They wanted a vote after Article 50 had been triggered
:09:15. > :09:22.about the deal. Then they wanted a vote before Article 50. Now they are
:09:23. > :09:27.talking about a vote before article Article 50 is triggered about a
:09:28. > :09:31.trade deal. They need to make up their minds about what it is they
:09:32. > :09:37.are pushing for, and what their best hope of obstructing Brexit is, and
:09:38. > :09:42.stick with it. Something else we see through the Brexit lens, which isn't
:09:43. > :09:46.always helpful, is Calais. The French bulldozers will move in
:09:47. > :09:51.tomorrow. We will see some pretty disturbing scenes on the TV. We will
:09:52. > :09:55.see some horrible scenes. The government has handled this very
:09:56. > :10:01.badly. Having passed an amendment in April saying we would take something
:10:02. > :10:04.like 3000 children, a lot of those children have disappeared. Save the
:10:05. > :10:08.Children, one of the charities there, are very worried that people
:10:09. > :10:16.traffickers have been in there, and a lot of those children have
:10:17. > :10:21.vanished. We haven't sent social workers in. No preparations have
:10:22. > :10:27.been made what ever. You are raising an interesting point. We don't know
:10:28. > :10:31.how many we are meant to be taking. The huge argument has arisen over
:10:32. > :10:38.what the age is of some of the ones coming in. Is this another problem
:10:39. > :10:43.for the Home Office? To some extent. Didn't Theresa May 's too well to
:10:44. > :10:48.survive six weeks of this? Amber Rudd has been there for three
:10:49. > :10:51.months. It is clear that the Home Office didn't prepare for this. They
:10:52. > :10:59.didn't prepare for the age verification or when it will go It
:11:00. > :11:05.needs to be an perfect. We don't know how many we will take, because
:11:06. > :11:09.the Home Office will not say. I want to talk about airport capacity, but
:11:10. > :11:15.I won't, because I don't think we have anything to say about it until
:11:16. > :11:19.the statement on Tuesday from Transport Minister Grayling. When
:11:20. > :11:22.you look at the polls and see the decision on airport runway expansion
:11:23. > :11:27.being kicked into the long grass for a year, are we heading for an early
:11:28. > :11:32.election next year or not? I think Theresa May will do everything she
:11:33. > :11:40.can to avoid it. If there is an election before 2020, it is bound to
:11:41. > :11:43.be about Europe, and that is a much harder case for her to win than just
:11:44. > :11:47.a question of who is the best Prime Minister. She will have a tough
:11:48. > :11:52.time, because it will be a general election about in or out of the
:11:53. > :11:58.single market. Half of her party will peel away. How do she conduct a
:11:59. > :12:03.general election when the likes of Anna Soubry will not stand on the
:12:04. > :12:12.same platform? It will be difficult. But she may reach such a stalemate
:12:13. > :12:15.that she just calls one. No general election next year because it will
:12:16. > :12:19.split the Tory party. There will be won in 2019 when she cannot get
:12:20. > :12:23.Brexit through the House of Commons. You really can have too much of a
:12:24. > :12:28.good thing. I just want to show a little clip of the former Shadow
:12:29. > :12:32.Chancellor, Ed Balls, from Strictly last night. Let's just watch this.
:12:33. > :12:44.There he is. Where is the hand? That is the
:12:45. > :12:52.worrying bit! We will no longer be saying that Ed Balls is a safe pair
:12:53. > :12:56.of hands! Can we agree on that? Remarkable that he was once the man
:12:57. > :13:05.most feared by David Cameron! Labour leader 2021. He has hit popular
:13:06. > :13:11.culture in the way that many few politicians do. Charm, gusto,
:13:12. > :13:18.bravery, no worries about being embarrassed. All the things that you
:13:19. > :13:20.don't like about being a politician. We have run out of time. You can get
:13:21. > :13:23.it on social media. Jo Coburn will be back
:13:24. > :13:25.with the Daily Politics tomorrow And I'll be back here next
:13:26. > :13:29.Sunday at the same time. Remember if it's Sunday,
:13:30. > :14:03.it's the Sunday Politics. Everyone's living these
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:14:31. > :14:35.Gibson and Spector.