23/04/2017

:00:35. > :00:38.It's Sunday afternoon - this is the Sunday Politics.

:00:39. > :00:41.Jeremy Corbyn wants to give everyone in Britain four

:00:42. > :00:43.extra bank holidays - but is the Labour leader up

:00:44. > :00:46.to being Prime Minister if he wins the election in just

:00:47. > :00:52.Theresa May says she wants a stronger hand to deliver Brexit -

:00:53. > :00:54.how will the Conservatives go about getting the bigger

:00:55. > :01:01.I'll be asking Party Chairman, Patrick McLoughlin.

:01:02. > :01:05.And I've been in Paris where voters are going to the polls in first

:01:06. > :01:08.round of the French Presidential election - what could be the impact

:01:09. > :01:14.on the EU and Brexit of this most unpredictable of contests?

:01:15. > :01:22.Will the Remain majority punish the Tories for the decision?

:01:23. > :01:25.Or feel they may not like it but the Tories

:01:26. > :01:39.And with me has always ready for the marathon task of covering a snap

:01:40. > :01:43.general election, even working on bank holidays, the best and

:01:44. > :01:44.brightest political panel in the business. David Wooding, Polly

:01:45. > :01:47.Toynbee and Toby Young. So Labour's big announcement this

:01:48. > :01:49.morning was a crowd pleaser. Four more rainy bank

:01:50. > :01:51.holidays to enjoy - one for each of the patron saints

:01:52. > :01:54.of England, Scotland, But Mr Corbyn probably won't be

:01:55. > :02:00.getting the time off work if he wins And on The Andrew Marr Show this

:02:01. > :02:05.morning he was asked what he would do as Prime Minister

:02:06. > :02:08.if the security services asked him to authorise a drone strike

:02:09. > :02:10.on the leader of Islamic State. What I'd tell them is,

:02:11. > :02:14.give me the information you've got, tell me how accurate that is,

:02:15. > :02:17.tell me what you I'm asking you about decisions you

:02:18. > :02:26.would take as Prime Minister. Can I take you back

:02:27. > :02:28.to the whole point? Is the objective

:02:29. > :02:32.to start more strikes that may kill many innocent

:02:33. > :02:34.people, as has happened? Do you think killing

:02:35. > :02:36.the leader of Isis would be I think the leader of Isis not

:02:37. > :02:45.being around would be helpful, and I'm no supporter or defender

:02:46. > :02:48.in any way of Isis. But I would also argue that

:02:49. > :02:52.the bombing campaign has killed a of whom were virtually prisoners of

:02:53. > :02:55.Isis. So you've got to think

:02:56. > :03:01.about these things. Mr Corbyn earlier. David, is his

:03:02. > :03:06.reply refreshing damaging? It is damaging. He has clearly been

:03:07. > :03:11.freaked to the fire already in the first week, there will be lots of

:03:12. > :03:14.questions on his suitability as a leader and the damage it could cause

:03:15. > :03:18.to our national security over the weeks ahead and Andrew Marr has cut

:03:19. > :03:21.straight to the chase here. The other thing, of course, is the

:03:22. > :03:24.letters of last resort, one of the first duties of a Prime Minister

:03:25. > :03:30.when he walks into No 10 is to sign these letters on his own, on or --

:03:31. > :03:33.or on her own in a room, a very lonely moment, to decide whether he

:03:34. > :03:37.should press the nuclear button and that goes in the Vanguard submarines

:03:38. > :03:41.and is opened in the event of a strike and he has dodged a question

:03:42. > :03:45.so many times. One must wonder what he would do that. He has to make

:03:46. > :03:50.these decisions as Prime Minister. On the Isis point, refreshing or

:03:51. > :03:55.damaging? It sure is his base, the people who support him, that's the

:03:56. > :03:58.sort of thing they support info and maybe his tactic is that's all he's

:03:59. > :04:02.going to get, that is what the polls seem to suggest, in which case they

:04:03. > :04:06.will be pleased, and say yes, the man is a man for these who doesn't

:04:07. > :04:12.press buttons and shoot people down. But if you want to win you have to

:04:13. > :04:16.deal with your own weaknesses and reach out to other people. I think

:04:17. > :04:21.most people would say that's not somebody who could defend the

:04:22. > :04:25.country. I wonder if he was being totally honest in saying he would

:04:26. > :04:30.consider it he would ask for more information. He has previously been

:04:31. > :04:33.on the record as being against drone strikes in principle, he's

:04:34. > :04:36.campaigned against them, he wants to abolish drones. I think Andrew Marr

:04:37. > :04:40.let him off saying it was a drone strike rather than a Navy SEAL or

:04:41. > :04:43.SAS operation and he had the fact that they could be collateral

:04:44. > :04:49.damage. We that's not his position because he condemned the

:04:50. > :04:53.assassination of Osama Bin Laden even though there was no collateral

:04:54. > :04:56.damage. David is right on the Trident point, he fetched the

:04:57. > :05:02.question. We heard Niall Griffiths on this very show saying Trident,

:05:03. > :05:05.the renewal of Trident, would be in the next Labour Party manifesto. It

:05:06. > :05:08.turns out now we don't know and when he was asked he said that remains to

:05:09. > :05:12.be seen, his re-opened a can of worms. What he has said about

:05:13. > :05:17.Trident which was extraordinary was, we will rebuild the submarines but

:05:18. > :05:20.not have any nukes on them which is expensive and useless. And of course

:05:21. > :05:23.the Labour Party were forced soon after that interview to put out a

:05:24. > :05:29.statement saying it is Labour Party policy to renew Trident. So where

:05:30. > :05:33.are we? Do we know what the party's policy is? It is to renew Trident

:05:34. > :05:39.but he has started this review which involves looking at it all again. We

:05:40. > :05:44.know he is a unilateralist to start with but whether he can force this

:05:45. > :05:48.through is dubious. Does it matter, though, if the party policy is in

:05:49. > :05:52.favour of Trident, if the leader is not? The potential Prime Minister is

:05:53. > :05:55.not? They split three ways when they went to vote on it in the Commons.

:05:56. > :06:00.The party agreed they were pro-Trident and when it came to the

:06:01. > :06:04.vote they split three ways. I think it's difficult for them, it's always

:06:05. > :06:08.been a really difficult issue for Labour. The question is whether you

:06:09. > :06:12.want to seal off your negatives, whether you really want to try and

:06:13. > :06:15.reach out to people. There are an awful lot of people who will like

:06:16. > :06:21.what he said, there are an awful lot of people that think we have been

:06:22. > :06:24.involved in terrible wars, we have wasted a lot of money and blood and

:06:25. > :06:29.let's just get back from the whole thing, let's retreat from the world

:06:30. > :06:32.and not try punching above our weight. There is something to be

:06:33. > :06:37.said for that and it is a reasonable argument. He's been true to himself

:06:38. > :06:40.on this. I think he is and Polly is right, lots of people will agree

:06:41. > :06:44.with him, not enough to win a general election, the latest ComRes

:06:45. > :06:48.poll shows Tories on 50% and Labour on 25 and as my colleague James

:06:49. > :06:51.Forsyth in the Spectator said if this was a boxing match it would

:06:52. > :06:53.have been stopped by now by the revelry. We are not stopping, we are

:06:54. > :06:54.going on. So the political parties have had

:06:55. > :06:56.to move into election mode Stand by for battle buses,

:06:57. > :07:00.mail shots and your social media timeline being bombarded

:07:01. > :07:01.by political propoganda. But none of this comes cheap -

:07:02. > :07:07.Adam's been doing his sums. Democracy is priceless but those

:07:08. > :07:12.planes, trains and automobiles used in the last election cost money

:07:13. > :07:15.and we know exactly how much, thanks to the Electoral

:07:16. > :07:20.Commission database. The Conservatives flew David Cameron

:07:21. > :07:24.to every part of the UK in one day on a private plane costing ?29,000,

:07:25. > :07:30.in-flight meals extra. They shelled out ?1.2 million

:07:31. > :07:36.for adverts on Facebook. The most expensive item was their

:07:37. > :07:40.election guru Lynton Crosby. They bought ?2.4 million worth

:07:41. > :07:43.of advice and research from his firm Labour's biggest expenditure

:07:44. > :07:50.was on good old-fashioned leaflets, costing ?7.4 million

:07:51. > :07:52.to print and deliver. Hope they didn't go straight

:07:53. > :07:58.into the recycling. Cheap for all the

:07:59. > :08:06.enjoyment it gave us. To turn a normal minibus

:08:07. > :08:09.into Harriet Harman's pink bus Nick Clegg toured the country doing

:08:10. > :08:16.all manner of stunts transported although the party got a grand's

:08:17. > :08:28.discount when it broke down. Ukip's then leader Nigel Farage

:08:29. > :08:30.was accompanied by bodyguards Nicola Sturgeon's chopper

:08:31. > :08:39.cost the SNP ?35,450. Plaid Cymru spent just over

:08:40. > :08:43.?1,000 on media training And the Greens spent ?6,912

:08:44. > :08:57.promoting their tweets. It adds up to a grand total

:08:58. > :09:01.for all the parties of ?37,560,039. Jabbing at my calculator that works

:09:02. > :09:07.out at less than ?1 per voter. Adam Fleming there -

:09:08. > :09:12.and joining me now is the man responsible for the Conservative

:09:13. > :09:16.election campaigns - for the locals next month

:09:17. > :09:24.and the general election in June - Welcome to the programme. The Crown

:09:25. > :09:27.Prosecution Service is reviewing evidence from 14 police forces that

:09:28. > :09:32.your party breached election spending rules on multiple occasions

:09:33. > :09:38.in the last election. What are you going to do differently this time?

:09:39. > :09:44.Well, the battle buses are part of the National campaign spend. You saw

:09:45. > :09:47.them just on the shot that you did, all three parties had those battle

:09:48. > :09:51.buses so that's why we believe they were part of the national spend and

:09:52. > :09:54.it was declared that way. At least 30 people in your party, MPs and

:09:55. > :09:59.agents, being investigated because they may not have been right to

:10:00. > :10:02.include it in the national spend. Are you saying you are going to do

:10:03. > :10:09.nothing differently this time? You asked me about last time and the way

:10:10. > :10:13.the position is... Was. I asked you about this time. We will take a

:10:14. > :10:19.careful count and make sure that everything that we do is within the

:10:20. > :10:23.law. But as I say, the last election, all three parties had

:10:24. > :10:27.battle buses. It is your party that above all has been investigated by

:10:28. > :10:33.14 police forces. You must surely be taking stock of that and working out

:10:34. > :10:37.how to do some things differently. You are being investigated because

:10:38. > :10:41.you put stuff on the National Ledger which should have been on the local

:10:42. > :10:45.constituency ledger. Are you looking at that again? All of the parties

:10:46. > :10:48.had battle buses and they all put them on their national spend. I

:10:49. > :10:53.don't think any of the parties put them on the local spend. The other

:10:54. > :10:56.battle buses were not full of their party activists. Your party stuffed

:10:57. > :11:02.these battle buses with activists and took them to constituencies.

:11:03. > :11:06.That's the difference. And I ask again, what is different this time?

:11:07. > :11:10.Are you going to run the risk of being investigated yet again? We

:11:11. > :11:15.believe that we fully compliant with the electoral law as it was. What

:11:16. > :11:20.will happen if one of these, or two or three or four or five of these 30

:11:21. > :11:26.people, Tory MPs, or agents running campaigns are charged during the

:11:27. > :11:30.campaign? As I say I believe we properly declared our election

:11:31. > :11:33.expenses. What happens if they are charged? You asking me a

:11:34. > :11:36.hypothetical question, the importance of this election is about

:11:37. > :11:41.who is in Downing Street in seven weeks' time. Let me clarify this,

:11:42. > :11:45.you maintain that in 2015 you did nothing wrong with how you allocated

:11:46. > :11:47.the cost and the activities of the battle buses and you would do

:11:48. > :11:52.exactly the same this time round? What we did at the last election we

:11:53. > :11:57.believe fully complied with the law. So the battle buses this time,

:11:58. > :12:01.stocked full of activists, will still be charged to the national

:12:02. > :12:09.campaign even when they go to local constituencies? Will they? We will

:12:10. > :12:13.be looking at the way we do it, there is new guidance from the

:12:14. > :12:17.Electoral Commission out and we will look at that guidance. It is not the

:12:18. > :12:21.guidance, it is the lawful stop the Electoral Commission said that, if

:12:22. > :12:24.you look at the report they did on us, they said there was one area

:12:25. > :12:28.where we had over claimed, over declared, and another area we had

:12:29. > :12:31.and declared. We haven't worked out what to do

:12:32. > :12:35.yet, have you? We will get on with the campaign and

:12:36. > :12:37.start the campaign and I'm looking forward to the campaign.

:12:38. > :12:41.I'm trying to work out of the campaign is going to be legal or not

:12:42. > :12:44.because last time it seems it could have been illegal.

:12:45. > :12:46.I am sure the campaign will be legal.

:12:47. > :12:51.You started the campaign warning about the prospect of, the coalition

:12:52. > :12:59.of chaos. Mr Corbyn has ruled out a post-election coalition with the SNP

:13:00. > :13:02.and so have the Lib Dems so who is going to be in this coalition?

:13:03. > :13:04.Vince Cable said he was looking towards a possible coalition trying

:13:05. > :13:06.to stop a Conservative government. Is not the leader of the Lib Dems.

:13:07. > :13:13.He's an important voice in the Lib Dems. Who will be in it? Let's see

:13:14. > :13:16.because of the Conservative Party is not re-elected with a strong

:13:17. > :13:19.majority, what will happen? There will be a coalition stopping us

:13:20. > :13:24.doing the things we need to do. Who will be in it? It will be a

:13:25. > :13:28.coalition of the Labour Party, the SNP and the Liberal party. They have

:13:29. > :13:31.ruled it out. I think they would not rule it out if that was the

:13:32. > :13:35.situation. Like Theresa May not ruling out an election and then

:13:36. > :13:39.changing her mind? The things the Prime Minister said were very clear,

:13:40. > :13:43.once she had served Article 50 there was an opportunity, as we know

:13:44. > :13:47.today, there is going to be the start of a new government formed in

:13:48. > :13:50.France and in September we have the German elections. So it was quite

:13:51. > :13:56.right that we didn't get ourselves boxed into a timetable. That is why

:13:57. > :14:00.the Prime Minister took the view that they should be a general

:14:01. > :14:03.election to give her full strength of an electoral mandate when it

:14:04. > :14:10.comes to those negotiations. What about Mr Corbyn's plan for four new

:14:11. > :14:14.bank holidays, good idea? I'm not... If we get Corbyn in No 10 Downing St

:14:15. > :14:19.we will have a permanent bank holiday of the United Kingdom. We

:14:20. > :14:25.will have fewer bank holidays of most other major nations, most about

:14:26. > :14:28.major wealthy nations. What about at least one more? Well, look, he's

:14:29. > :14:33.talked about four bank holidays. Today would be a bank holiday and

:14:34. > :14:37.next Monday would be a bank holiday and the other week was a bank

:14:38. > :14:41.holiday too. I don't think it's very well thought out. It sounded more to

:14:42. > :14:45.me something like you get in school mock elections rather than proper

:14:46. > :14:48.elections. Your party is the self-styled party of the workers and

:14:49. > :14:52.you have no plans to give the workers even one extra bank holiday?

:14:53. > :14:57.What we want to do is ensure Britain is a strong economy and building on

:14:58. > :15:01.the jobs that we have created since 2010. We were told that by reducing

:15:02. > :15:06.public expenditure unemployment in this country would go up,

:15:07. > :15:11.unemployment has gone down and the number of jobs have gone up

:15:12. > :15:14.substantially. But no more bank holidays? Well, we will make our

:15:15. > :15:18.manifesto in due course but I don't think four bank holidays held in

:15:19. > :15:24.April, March and November are very attractive to people. When Ed

:15:25. > :15:33.Miliband as leader of the Labour Party suggested the government

:15:34. > :15:37.should control energy prices by capping them, the Conservatives

:15:38. > :15:41.described that as almost Communist and central planning. Do still take

:15:42. > :15:45.that view? You'll see what we have to say on energy prices. I didn't

:15:46. > :15:50.you about that, I asked you if you take the view... The Prime Minister

:15:51. > :15:52.made a speech at the Conservative Spring conference in which she

:15:53. > :15:55.outlined her dissatisfaction about people who are kept locked on a

:15:56. > :15:58.standard tariff and those are the issues we will address in the next

:15:59. > :16:03.few weeks when the manifesto was published.

:16:04. > :16:09.Would that be an act of communism? You will need to see what we say

:16:10. > :16:16.when we set out the policies. It could be. You could put a Communist

:16:17. > :16:20.act into your manifesto? I don't think you'll find a Communist

:16:21. > :16:24.manifesto in a Conservative manifesto which will be launched...

:16:25. > :16:28.You are planning to control prices? We will address what we think is

:16:29. > :16:32.unfairness in the energy market. Mr Jeremy Corbyn was reluctant this

:16:33. > :16:39.morning to sanction a drone strike. You heard us talking about it

:16:40. > :16:42.earlier against the leader of Islamic State if our intelligence

:16:43. > :16:47.services identified him. What would it achieve? When the Prime Minister

:16:48. > :16:51.gets certain advice in the national interests, she has to act been that.

:16:52. > :16:54.We've seen with Theresa May in her time as Home Secretary and Prime

:16:55. > :16:58.Minister, she's not afraid to take those very difficult decisions. What

:16:59. > :17:02.we say this morning from Jeremy Corbyn was a his tans, a reluctance.

:17:03. > :17:09.I don't think that serves the country well. What would it achieve

:17:10. > :17:14.if we take out the head of Islamic State he's replaced by somebody

:17:15. > :17:19.else. It brings their organisation into difficulties. It undermines

:17:20. > :17:23.their organisation. It shows we'll take every measure to undo an

:17:24. > :17:27.organisation which has organised terrorism in different parts of

:17:28. > :17:30.Europe, the UK. I think it is absolutely right the Prime Minister

:17:31. > :17:34.is prepared to take those kind of measures. Jeremy Corbyn said he

:17:35. > :17:40.wasn't prepared to take that. Because he wasn't sure what it would

:17:41. > :17:44.achieve. The Obama administration launched hundreds of drone strikes

:17:45. > :17:50.in various war zones and we in the west are still under attack on a

:17:51. > :17:56.regular basis. Mr Corbyn's basis was what would it achieve? It would

:17:57. > :18:00.achieve a safer position for the UK overall. The war on terrorists. But

:18:01. > :18:06.the Westminster attack, Paris has just been attacked again? There's

:18:07. > :18:10.been attacks which have been stopped by the intelligence services. We

:18:11. > :18:13.must do all we can to support them. The question was about drone

:18:14. > :18:18.strikes. Whether it is drone strikes or other action, we have to be

:18:19. > :18:22.prepared to act. Let's move on to Brexit. It is the major reason the

:18:23. > :18:26.Prime Minister's called the election? Not the only within but

:18:27. > :18:30.the main reason? It is one of the reasons. Now we start the two-year

:18:31. > :18:36.negotiations and then a year afterwards. Also the way in which

:18:37. > :18:38.certain people said they would try to use in the House of Lords or

:18:39. > :18:46.House of Commons to prevent us making progress. I think you'll put

:18:47. > :18:51.in your manifesto, it is the Government's policy, the Brexit

:18:52. > :18:58.negotiating position will be no more freedom of movement. Leave the

:18:59. > :19:02.single market and no longer under the jurisdiction Europe. You expect

:19:03. > :19:07.every Tory MP to fight on that manifesto. What will you do with Ken

:19:08. > :19:12.Clarke and Anna? They will have fought on their manifesto. They will

:19:13. > :19:15.understand the Prime Minister has the authority of the ballot box

:19:16. > :19:20.behind them. Will they fight the election on these positions? I'm

:19:21. > :19:25.sure they'll fight the election supporting the election of a

:19:26. > :19:28.Conservative Government and it's manifesto will quite clearly set

:19:29. > :19:33.out... You know they're against these positions. Ken Clarke has a

:19:34. > :19:37.prod tradition of expressing a certain view. Overall, the party's

:19:38. > :19:41.manifesto, it is not just individuals like Ken Clarke, it is

:19:42. > :19:46.what happens as far as the House of Lords are concerned, people said

:19:47. > :19:50.they'd use the House of Lords to prevent certain measures. You're the

:19:51. > :19:55.party chairman, will it be possible for people like Ken Clarke to fight

:19:56. > :20:00.this election under the Conservative ticket without sub describing to all

:20:01. > :20:06.-- subscribing to all of these Brexit conditions? Ken Clarke will

:20:07. > :20:10.fight as Conservative candidates. That wasn't my question. I know

:20:11. > :20:14.that. Will they be allowed to fight it on their own ticket and not

:20:15. > :20:18.subscribe to what is in your manifesto? The manifesto will be

:20:19. > :20:22.what the Conservative Party fights the General Election on. There will

:20:23. > :20:28.always be cases where people have had different views on different

:20:29. > :20:34.parts of the manifesto. That will be the guiding principles for the

:20:35. > :20:39.party. Philip Hammond says your election promises in 2015, in your

:20:40. > :20:43.manifesto not to raise taxes tied his hands when it came to managing

:20:44. > :20:48.the economy. Do you agree with him? No. The simple fact is we have to do

:20:49. > :20:52.the best things for the economy. We'll set out in our manifesto in a

:20:53. > :20:58.few weeks' time, what the policies will be for the next Parliament. Can

:20:59. > :21:03.I clarify, you don't agree with your Chancellor? What Philip was saying

:21:04. > :21:08.was some of the areas we wants to address as Chancellor, what the

:21:09. > :21:11.party will do, it will set out all the issues we're fighting on. It

:21:12. > :21:15.will set out clearly the choice we have in this country. That's the

:21:16. > :21:20.important thing. Let me put the question to you again. Philip

:21:21. > :21:24.Hammond said this week your election promise in 2015 not to raise taxes

:21:25. > :21:29.had tied his hands when it came to managing the economy. I ask you, do

:21:30. > :21:34.you agree with him? You said no. Philip expressed his view as to what

:21:35. > :21:39.he would like. What I'm saying is in a few weeks' time we'll set the

:21:40. > :21:43.manifesto which will set the policies, agreed with the the

:21:44. > :21:47.Cabinet. He's Chancellor. Doesn't he determine what the economic part of

:21:48. > :21:52.the manifesto is? We'll talk about that in due course. Will you have a

:21:53. > :21:58.lock on the taxes that you locked in 2015 on income tax, VAT, national

:21:59. > :22:05.insurance? That will be decided. You'll see that when we publish the

:22:06. > :22:08.manifesto in a few weeks' time. Will you rule out the possibility taxes

:22:09. > :22:13.may have to rise under a future Conservative Party? Conservative

:22:14. > :22:19.Government. We've taken four million people out of tax. Now, on average,

:22:20. > :22:25.people are paying ?1200 less tax than they were on the same salaries

:22:26. > :22:28.in 2010. I'm very provide of that. I can assure you, the Conservative

:22:29. > :22:31.Party will want to see taxes reduced. It is the Labour Party

:22:32. > :22:37.which will put up taxes. We have the evidence where this he did so.

:22:38. > :22:43.Council tax went up by over 100%. You haven't reduced the tax burden

:22:44. > :22:49.as a percentage of the GDP is now going to reach its highest level

:22:50. > :22:54.since the mid-180s which was when Conservatives were in power. The tax

:22:55. > :22:57.burden in this country under your Government is rising? We've more

:22:58. > :23:00.people paying taxes which is something, because we've a growing

:23:01. > :23:05.economy and more people... What about the tax band? You said you

:23:06. > :23:11.reduced the tax burden on your own Government's figures is rising? We

:23:12. > :23:15.have reduced the tax burden. The threshold at which people start

:23:16. > :23:21.paying. These are tax rates not the tax burden. It is rising. The tax

:23:22. > :23:26.rates have been reduced. You said tax burden. Perhaps I misspoke. Tax

:23:27. > :23:34.rates have been reduced. We'll leave it there. No doubt we'll speak again

:23:35. > :23:36.between now and June Is France now about to make it

:23:37. > :23:40.a hat-trick of shocks The prospect terrifies

:23:41. > :23:43.the governing elite in Paris. But they're no less scared

:23:44. > :23:46.in Brussels and Berlin, given what it could mean

:23:47. > :23:48.for the whole EU project, never mind the huge potential impact

:23:49. > :24:08.on our own Brexit negotiations. 11 candidates are contesting

:24:09. > :24:10.the first round of the presidential Only the top two will go forward

:24:11. > :24:16.to the run-off on May 7th. For the first time since General De

:24:17. > :24:21.Gaulle created the fifth Republic in 1958, it's perfectly possible that

:24:22. > :24:25.no candidate from the ruling parties of the centre-left or the

:24:26. > :24:28.centre-right will even make it The election has been dominated by

:24:29. > :24:36.the hard right in the shape of the who's never been elected

:24:37. > :24:42.to anything and only started his own party

:24:43. > :24:45.a few months ago. And the far left in the form

:24:46. > :24:48.of Jean-Luc Melenchon, a former Trotskyite who has surged

:24:49. > :24:51.in the final weeks of the campaign. The only candidate left from the

:24:52. > :24:55.traditional governing parties is the centre-right's

:24:56. > :24:57.Francois Fillon and he's been struggling to stay in

:24:58. > :25:01.the race ever since it was revealed that his Welsh wife was being paid

:25:02. > :25:06.at generous public expense for a job I've just come across

:25:07. > :25:21.this magazine cover and it kind of sums up the mood

:25:22. > :25:23.of the French people. It's got the five main candidates

:25:24. > :25:27.for President here but it calls them the biggest liar, the biggest cheat,

:25:28. > :25:30.the biggest traitor, the most paranoid, the biggest demagogue,

:25:31. > :25:33.and it says they are the winners The four leading candidates,

:25:34. > :25:43.Le Pen, Melenchon, Macron and Fillon, or in with a chance

:25:44. > :25:46.of making it to the second round. Only a couple of points separates

:25:47. > :25:49.them in the polls, Frankly, no one has a clue what's

:25:50. > :25:55.going to happen. Of the four, there is a feeling that

:25:56. > :26:00.two of them may be President But the two of them may not find

:26:01. > :26:13.themselves in the second round. Somebody said to me that the man or

:26:14. > :26:27.woman on the Paris Metro has as much a chance of knowing

:26:28. > :26:30.who will win as the greatest experts Because the more expert you are

:26:31. > :26:37.the more you may be wrong. The country has largely

:26:38. > :26:42.stagnated for over a decade. One in ten are unemployed,

:26:43. > :26:45.one in four if you are unlucky Like Britain in the '70s there is

:26:46. > :26:49.the pervasive stench There are three keywords that come

:26:50. > :26:57.to mind. Anger, anger at the elite, and in

:26:58. > :27:03.particular the political elite. And an element of

:27:04. > :27:09.nostalgia for the past. These three words were decisive

:27:10. > :27:13.in the Brexit referendum. They are decisive in

:27:14. > :27:25.the French election. Identity and security has been

:27:26. > :27:28.as important in this election France is a proud nation, it worries

:27:29. > :27:35.about its future in Europe It seems bereft of ideas about how

:27:36. > :27:40.to deal with its largely Muslim migrant population, huge chunks of

:27:41. > :27:43.which are increasingly divorced It is quite simply exhausted by

:27:44. > :27:54.the never-ending Islamist terrorist attacks, the latest only days before

:27:55. > :27:58.voting in the iconic heart of this If Fillon or Macron emerge

:27:59. > :28:09.victorious then there will be continuity of sorts, though Fillon

:28:10. > :28:12.will struggle to implement his Thatcherite agenda and Macron will

:28:13. > :28:16.not be able to count on the support of the French parliament, the

:28:17. > :28:19.National Assembly, for his reforms. But if it's Le Pen or Jean-Luc

:28:20. > :28:25.Melenchon then all bets are off. Both are hardline French

:28:26. > :28:28.nationalists, anti the euro, anti the European Union, anti-fiscal

:28:29. > :28:32.discipline, anti the market, Either in the Elysee Palace

:28:33. > :28:40.would represent an existential Brexit would simply become

:28:41. > :28:49.a sideshow, the negotiations could just peter out as Brussels

:28:50. > :28:54.and Berlin had bigger fish to fry. We're joined now from

:28:55. > :29:05.Paris by the journalist 8th Welcome to the programme.

:29:06. > :29:09.Overshadowing the voting today was yet another appalling terrorist

:29:10. > :29:16.attack in Paris on Thursday night. Do we have any indications of how

:29:17. > :29:20.that's playing into the election? That initially people thought this

:29:21. > :29:25.has been almost foiled in that the police were there as a ramp up. One

:29:26. > :29:29.policeman was killed. But the terrorist did not spray the crowd

:29:30. > :29:35.with bullets. It was seen as not having much of an effect on the

:29:36. > :29:41.election. This has changed. We now know the policeman who was killed, a

:29:42. > :29:47.young man about to the promoted, he was at the Bataclan the night of the

:29:48. > :29:53.terror attack. He was a fighter for LGBT rights. The fact he was

:29:54. > :30:00.promoted, happy within his job, he has this fresh face. Sudden, he's

:30:01. > :30:05.one of us. It took perhaps 48 hours for the French to process this. But

:30:06. > :30:11.now they're angry and this may actually change the game, at least

:30:12. > :30:18.at the margins. To whose advantage? I would say the two who might

:30:19. > :30:22.benefit from this are Marine Le Pen, she's been absolutely

:30:23. > :30:27.anti-immigration, anti-anything. And made no bones about it as she

:30:28. > :30:30.immediately made rather strange announcement in which she'd said if

:30:31. > :30:34.she'd been president none of the terror attacks which happened in

:30:35. > :30:42.France would have happened. Francois Fillon has written a book two years

:30:43. > :30:47.ago called Combating Islamic Terrorism he's has an organised plan

:30:48. > :30:51.in his manifesto. Unlike Emmanuel Macron who stumbled when he was

:30:52. > :30:55.asked the evening this happened what he thought, he said, I can't dream

:30:56. > :30:59.up an anti-terror programme overnight. The question, of course,

:31:00. > :31:02.that arrows was this is not the sort of thing that's just happened

:31:03. > :31:08.overnight. It's been unfortunately the fate of France for many years.

:31:09. > :31:13.Let me ask you this finally, what ever the outcome on May 7th in the

:31:14. > :31:19.second round, who ever wins, would it be fair to say French politics

:31:20. > :31:22.will never be the same again? Yes. Absolutely it's a very strange

:31:23. > :31:27.thing. People have no become really excited about this. You cannot go

:31:28. > :31:31.anywhere without people discussing heatedly this election. The anger

:31:32. > :31:38.that was described is very accurate. Very true. There was this feeling as

:31:39. > :31:42.for the Brexit voters and the Trump voters, vast parts of the people

:31:43. > :31:48.were being talked down to by people who despised them. This has to

:31:49. > :31:54.change. If it doesn't change, we cannot predict what the future will

:31:55. > :31:59.be. We'll know the results or at least the ex-the Poll London time

:32:00. > :32:00.tonight at 8.00pm. Thank for joining us from the glorious heart of your

:32:01. > :32:04.city. Now, the Green Party currently has

:32:05. > :32:07.one MP and they'll be contesting many more seats in June

:32:08. > :32:10.as well as hoping to increase their presence on councils in

:32:11. > :32:13.the local elections on 4th May. Launching their campaign

:32:14. > :32:14.on Thursday, co-leader Caroline Lucas made

:32:15. > :32:16.a pitch to younger voters. When it comes to young

:32:17. > :32:18.people they've been But one crucial way they've been

:32:19. > :32:23.betrayed is by what this generation and this government and the previous

:32:24. > :32:27.ones have been doing when it comes We know we had the hottest year

:32:28. > :32:31.on record last year, you know, you almost think what else does

:32:32. > :32:34.the environment need to be doing All the signs are there

:32:35. > :32:38.and it is young people who are going to be bearing

:32:39. > :32:40.the brunt of a wrecked environment and that's why it's so important

:32:41. > :32:44.that when we come to making that pitch to, yes, the country at large

:32:45. > :32:47.but to young people in particular, I think climate change,

:32:48. > :32:49.the environment, looking after our precious resources,

:32:50. > :32:53.has to be up there. And I'm joined now by the Green

:32:54. > :33:08.MEP, Molly Scott Cato. Welcome back to the programme.

:33:09. > :33:11.Promised to scrap university tuition fees, increase NHS funding, rollback

:33:12. > :33:15.cuts to local councils spending, how much would that cost and how would

:33:16. > :33:18.you pay for it? Like the other parties we haven't got a costed

:33:19. > :33:22.manifesto yet, it's only a few days since the election was announced so

:33:23. > :33:25.I will come back and explain the figures. You don't know? Like every

:33:26. > :33:31.party we have not produced accosted manifesto yet, we produced one last

:33:32. > :33:34.time but public spending figures have changed so we're not in a

:33:35. > :33:39.position to do that but we will be in a week or so. What taxes would

:33:40. > :33:43.you like to consider raising? We would consider having higher taxes

:33:44. > :33:48.for the better off in society. I think we need to increase the amount

:33:49. > :33:51.of tax wealthier people pay. How do you define better off? I'm not

:33:52. > :33:58.entirely clear what the precise number would be but I think 100,000

:33:59. > :34:01.people would pay a bit more, 150,000 quite considerably more but the real

:34:02. > :34:05.focus needs to be on companies avoiding paying taxes. I work on

:34:06. > :34:08.that a lot in my role in the European Parliament, we see an

:34:09. > :34:11.enormous amount of tax avoidance by companies moving profits from

:34:12. > :34:14.country to country and we need European corporation to make that

:34:15. > :34:20.successful. It has not made much difference yet. We have made lots of

:34:21. > :34:24.changes. Google turned over $1 billion and only paid 25 million in

:34:25. > :34:29.taxes last year. There was a significant fine introduced by the

:34:30. > :34:33.competition commission on Apple and in the case of Google we must change

:34:34. > :34:38.the laws so that people cannot move profits from country to country.

:34:39. > :34:41.Everybody wants to do it. But you couldn't face a big spending

:34:42. > :34:45.programme on the ability to do that. You'd have to increase other taxes.

:34:46. > :34:48.If you look at the cost of free student tuition, tuition fees and

:34:49. > :34:52.also maintenance grants to students, that would come in at about 10

:34:53. > :34:55.billion a year. One way of paying for that would be to remove the

:34:56. > :34:59.upper threshold on National Insurance, bringing in 20 billion a

:35:00. > :35:03.year, that's the order of magnitude we are talking about. It is not

:35:04. > :35:07.vast, and some of the proposals we have... That would be an increase on

:35:08. > :35:14.the better of tax? National Insurance on people earning...

:35:15. > :35:18.People earning above 42,000. You would have another 10% tax above

:35:19. > :35:24.42,000? I can't remember exactly how much the National Insurance rate

:35:25. > :35:28.changes by. But in government figures it would be 28 billion

:35:29. > :35:32.raised. I think it is up to 45, a bit more you pay a marginal rate of

:35:33. > :35:37.40%, you would have them pay a marginal rate of over 50%? We would

:35:38. > :35:41.put the National Insurance rate on higher incomes the same as it is on

:35:42. > :35:44.lower incomes. If you are a school head of an English department on 50,

:35:45. > :35:50.60,000 a year you would face a marginal rate under U of over 50%?

:35:51. > :35:55.It is not useful to do this as a mental maths exercise but if you

:35:56. > :35:59.look at other proposals would could have a landlord licensing system,

:36:00. > :36:02.longer term leases on properties, so young people particularly, but also

:36:03. > :36:05.older people who rent, could have more security which needn't cost

:36:06. > :36:10.anything. We could insist on landlords paying for that. The

:36:11. > :36:14.mental arithmetic seems clear but we will come back to that. How is the

:36:15. > :36:18.Progressive Alliance coming? It is going well, I have heard of a lot of

:36:19. > :36:23.interest at local level. Winterset this in contest, context, lots of

:36:24. > :36:28.progressives are concerned about the crisis in public services, prisons,

:36:29. > :36:31.social care system, and also about the Tories' hard extreme Brexit they

:36:32. > :36:36.are threatening. You want the left to come together? Theresa May has

:36:37. > :36:39.given us opportunity, she has taken a risk because she has problems with

:36:40. > :36:43.backbenchers, she doesn't think she can get through Brexit with a small

:36:44. > :36:46.majority so there is an opportunity and we are saying progressives must

:36:47. > :36:49.come together to corporate, Conservatives are effective at using

:36:50. > :36:54.the first-past-the-post system and we have to become effective as well.

:36:55. > :36:57.Do you accept this Progressive Alliance cannot become the

:36:58. > :37:02.government and Mr Corbyn is the Prime Minister? How could it happen

:37:03. > :37:05.otherwise? I think that is a secondary question. For me the

:37:06. > :37:08.primary question is who do people choose to vote for? Aluminium

:37:09. > :37:12.government afterwards comes after the election. In most countries that

:37:13. > :37:15.is the case. I understand that but we have the system we have and you

:37:16. > :37:19.accept this Progressive Alliance cannot be in power and thus mystical

:37:20. > :37:22.Burmese Prime Minister? Personally I think Mr Corbyn is less of a threat

:37:23. > :37:25.to the country than Theresa May, she has shown herself to be an

:37:26. > :37:32.authoritarian leader and she has said she doesn't want to have

:37:33. > :37:34.dissidents, which I would say is reasonable opposition, and what we

:37:35. > :37:37.are suggesting at the moment is there is a way of avoiding that very

:37:38. > :37:39.hard Brexit and damage to public services. You'd be happy to pay the

:37:40. > :37:44.price of having Mr Corbyn as Prime Minister? I do not see that as a

:37:45. > :37:48.price. People have the choice of Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May as

:37:49. > :37:52.Prime Minister, that's the system that works. You would prefer Mr

:37:53. > :37:55.Corbyn? I would but votes are translated into seats and the

:37:56. > :37:57.Progressive Alliance is a step towards that.

:37:58. > :37:59.It's just gone 3:50pm, you're watching the Sunday Politics.

:38:00. > :38:01.We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, Wales

:38:02. > :38:03.and Northern Ireland who leave us now.

:38:04. > :38:05.Coming up here in 20 minutes, the Week Ahead.

:38:06. > :38:19.First though, the Sunday Politics where you are.

:38:20. > :38:30.So, off we go again in the capital, two years after the last one,

:38:31. > :38:32.but with a hard-fought, some say divisive, mayoral

:38:33. > :38:36.What will London do now with Brexit into the mix in this,

:38:37. > :38:38.easily the most Remain place in England.

:38:39. > :38:41.The Conservatives have provided us this week with Paul Scully,

:38:42. > :38:43.who was in 2015 elected MP for Sutton and Cheam.

:38:44. > :38:45.We also have with us the man co-ordinating

:38:46. > :38:47.the Lib Dems' campaign, Tom Brake,

:38:48. > :38:48.up to now MP for Carshalton and Wallington.

:38:49. > :38:51.And the man doing likewise for Labour, Andy Slaughter,

:38:52. > :38:59.Welcome to all of you. Just to kick off, realistic expectations,

:39:00. > :39:04.starting with Paul, about what the Conservatives will do in the

:39:05. > :39:08.capital. In London I would hope they will be winning well in south-west

:39:09. > :39:12.London where it will be a tight fight against Liberal Democrats. Tom

:39:13. > :39:15.I am sure will be on his toes, neither of us having fought in

:39:16. > :39:20.Sutton for a long time will take anything for granted but I will give

:39:21. > :39:24.him a run for his money. We need to be seeing if we can be making games

:39:25. > :39:29.like in Ilford North and places like that as well. We will come onto that

:39:30. > :39:32.later. Andrew Slaughter, honest and self-criticism, a realistic

:39:33. > :39:37.assessment? Theresa May has misjudged calling the election both

:39:38. > :39:41.on the issues and on the timing of it. She will get a nasty shock if

:39:42. > :39:44.she expects people to just do what she is telling them. The British

:39:45. > :39:49.public will not like that. Expectations about your own party?

:39:50. > :39:52.In London I think we will do extremely well, partly as you say

:39:53. > :39:58.because it is a Remain city and she's going for the hardest of hard

:39:59. > :40:02.Brexits. Partly because the overall Tory message was very backward

:40:03. > :40:06.looking, very monochrome type of view, which doesn't go down well at

:40:07. > :40:10.all. Tom Brake opening thought, one step at a time? Paul Scully has

:40:11. > :40:14.identified that south-west London will be a battle ground between the

:40:15. > :40:17.Tories and the Lib Dems correctly. We have also heard that Ukip are

:40:18. > :40:23.swinging behind Kate Hoey in Vauxhall which makes an interesting

:40:24. > :40:28.prospect. And perhaps the seat that Simon Hughes used to hold which was

:40:29. > :40:34.a very strong remain voting seat in the referendum where people may feel

:40:35. > :40:37.let down by the Labour Party on the position they took on Brexit. We

:40:38. > :40:42.will talk about that later because he is launching officially later

:40:43. > :40:47.with a visit by the leader later on. The MP for that seat is just as

:40:48. > :40:53.positive for Remain so let's not... We might discuss that later how

:40:54. > :40:54.positive. We will discuss how positive he is about his own leader

:40:55. > :40:57.later but let's move on. So, we've heard some

:40:58. > :40:58.mention of target seats But let's get more detail

:40:59. > :41:02.on the current picture and where the most crucial battles

:41:03. > :41:04.could be fought, with Raph Sheridan. David Cameron wins a Tory

:41:05. > :41:12.majority with the Lib Dems In London, Labour bucks the national

:41:13. > :41:18.trend and performed well. Sadiq Khan is the

:41:19. > :41:32.capital's Labour mayor. Islington North MP Jeremy Corbyn

:41:33. > :41:35.is Labour's leader and the Lib Dems The Lib Dems launched their campaign

:41:36. > :41:41.here in Richmond Park where they managed a 22% swing

:41:42. > :41:46.in a by-election victory last year. Bermondsey and Southwark,

:41:47. > :41:47.Hornsey and Wood Green are hugely important,

:41:48. > :41:51.significant seats for us. Bound to look at places

:41:52. > :41:55.like Vauxhall and think with a heavily pro-Leave Labour MP

:41:56. > :41:57.and a very liberal constituency, there's every chance we could do

:41:58. > :42:01.well in places like that. Their strong stance against Brexit

:42:02. > :42:05.is giving them a lot of ammunition against the Tories in the pro-EU

:42:06. > :42:07.constituencies they lost I don't know what's wrong

:42:08. > :42:15.with me, but I'm looking forward to this

:42:16. > :42:18.election. I think it's because we're

:42:19. > :42:20.full-on talking to people. I think that's what I remember

:42:21. > :42:24.in 2015 The Labour Party has its strongholds

:42:25. > :42:29.in inner London so their key where Jeremy Corbyn

:42:30. > :42:32.launched his campaign. Do you want a Labour

:42:33. > :42:35.MP that will stand up The Labour council in Croydon

:42:36. > :42:40.is building council housing. I want a Labour Government that

:42:41. > :42:44.builds council housing. Labour holds seats

:42:45. > :42:46.across outer London Even the tiniest of swings

:42:47. > :42:52.could mean the Tories once again Outer London, lots of marginal

:42:53. > :43:00.constituencies where I think Labour MPs which in constituencies

:43:01. > :43:04.in the past would not have been seen as absolutely

:43:05. > :43:07.marginal will be worrying. There was a local council

:43:08. > :43:10.by-election on Thursday in Harrow which showed a 9% swing from Labour

:43:11. > :43:13.to the Conservatives. For many years, people have

:43:14. > :43:15.described London as a Labour city. Come June 9th, will all

:43:16. > :43:28.of that have changed? Where do we start? Let's start where

:43:29. > :43:33.you were before the film. You say in somewhere like Southwark, where

:43:34. > :43:39.there is a Remainer, that could neutralise the impact of Simon

:43:40. > :43:42.Hughes, if this is going to be a Brexit election they will bond the

:43:43. > :43:46.purest sense of rejection of it and will go for the Liberal Democrats

:43:47. > :43:50.and not Labour. People have a variety of views, some people would

:43:51. > :43:55.like us to stay in the EU, I would like to stay in the EU, or give

:43:56. > :43:59.people a second referendum. Other people would say, yes, we respect

:44:00. > :44:03.the result of the referendum but we want to replicate those terms

:44:04. > :44:06.because those are good trading terms for the UK. To say it is a black and

:44:07. > :44:11.white position as Tom Wood is ridiculous. I was correcting the

:44:12. > :44:14.mistake which is that Neal Coyle with me and many other Labour MPs

:44:15. > :44:18.voted not to trigger Article 50 so I hope we will not see in this

:44:19. > :44:22.election campaign misrepresentation. How much those individuals might

:44:23. > :44:25.have done, people will see it for what it was, that you had to say

:44:26. > :44:29.that and do that and you knew an election would be coming sometime. I

:44:30. > :44:33.think we have moved on in politics a lot and we will see some very

:44:34. > :44:35.different results in different parts of the country in different

:44:36. > :44:39.constituencies in the selection than we did before. So it's very

:44:40. > :44:43.important when I put out my literature, or Niall does, or anyone

:44:44. > :44:50.else does, they are clear about what their line is. It is absolutely

:44:51. > :44:52.right, Keir Starmer our Brexit spokesman has said, quoting David

:44:53. > :44:55.Davis, the Brexit Cabinet Minister, that we want to see the exact

:44:56. > :44:59.replication of the trading conditions. I would like to go

:45:00. > :45:03.further. I would like to see a second referendum or a vote in

:45:04. > :45:07.parliament because Theresa May is not giving the British people what

:45:08. > :45:10.they want. She's not giving them a choice. Tom Brake, south-west

:45:11. > :45:13.London, like the south-west of the country, everyone knows now, there

:45:14. > :45:18.will know immediately these are your targets, the Conservative candidate

:45:19. > :45:22.there, I'm not sure quite why I'm going to enjoy this, she said, but

:45:23. > :45:25.do you accept there will be limited Liberal Democrat advance and can

:45:26. > :45:29.only be a limited advance because you are so far behind in so many

:45:30. > :45:35.seats? Even someone like yours and in Paul's seat, narrowly Leave

:45:36. > :45:36.areas. It is a myth to think the Liberal Democrats are doing well

:45:37. > :45:56.just in Remain areas. We're not just going to make this

:45:57. > :46:02.election about Brexit. This is also going to be about critical issues

:46:03. > :46:06.such as the future of the NHS, the future of our local hospitals. Some

:46:07. > :46:12.of those issues we'll come on to. How will you... You'll struggle in

:46:13. > :46:17.your area where people prefer, definitely want to leave. And are

:46:18. > :46:21.looking for signals there is a strong commitment to make that

:46:22. > :46:26.happen? What I also think people want, they want to know if Theresa

:46:27. > :46:31.May's re-elected at Prime Minister, there is a large vocal body of

:46:32. > :46:35.people, Liberal Democrat members of Parliament to fight the Prime

:46:36. > :46:41.Minister to ensure the hard Brexit she wants to enshoe which I think

:46:42. > :46:45.will cause maximum damage to British jobs and families, is not the one

:46:46. > :46:50.she'll end up delivering. You can only secure that if there is a large

:46:51. > :46:58.body of MPs willing to fight her. The official Labour Party was supine

:46:59. > :47:01.and frankly useless. The reason the Liberal Democrats want to fight this

:47:02. > :47:05.on Brexit is they were complicit in the drew instruction of the NHS when

:47:06. > :47:09.they were in coalition with the Tory Party. You can't air brush five

:47:10. > :47:17.years of propping up a Tory Government. You see Tobias, an MP

:47:18. > :47:21.for two years, you voted Leave as well, do you feel sorry for people

:47:22. > :47:26.like Tanya Matthias who it looks like your party may be sacrificing

:47:27. > :47:30.with this early election? I agree with Tom, this isn't just about

:47:31. > :47:37.Brexit. It will clearly with the backdrop. Let's deal with the

:47:38. > :47:42.backdrop first. What Tanya and I can do, and other Conservatives, is

:47:43. > :47:47.compare the parties. Look to are what people want for the future. 52%

:47:48. > :47:51.who voted to leave looked at different things. So did the 38%.

:47:52. > :47:55.You have the Labour Party who can't agree about their position. The

:47:56. > :48:03.Liberal Democrats are becoming increasingly shrill. It can have a

:48:04. > :48:08.limited effect on the sidelines... You were a beneficiary of this in

:48:09. > :48:11.2015 when you won, you took all those seats from the Liberal

:48:12. > :48:16.Democrats, forced them virtually off the map in London. People in there

:48:17. > :48:21.supported remain, a lot of candidates, Conservative, who got in

:48:22. > :48:27.were Remain. They've' found themself with something they didn't want.

:48:28. > :48:34.This isn't about rerehearsing last year's referendum. But it will be?

:48:35. > :48:37.That was a by-election. A protest. I started talking to you about

:48:38. > :48:42.Twickenham and Kingston. Voters may make it a very hard time for you.

:48:43. > :48:47.Voters have their choices. They debate about the issues they want

:48:48. > :48:54.to. We have to explain to people there is no point in rerehearsing

:48:55. > :48:56.last year's arguments. Far better to concentrate on the individual

:48:57. > :49:01.Industry Secretariers, individual communities, different styles of

:49:02. > :49:06.business, so we can get the best, bespoke deal. Because Theresa May

:49:07. > :49:10.has a wide negotiating position, doesn't mean anything's set in

:49:11. > :49:15.stone. Do you think the timing's good? Coming so soon. Do you really

:49:16. > :49:20.think the case has been made that there is is clear plan for how we'll

:49:21. > :49:26.exit without all the harm that might be done when we loose access to the

:49:27. > :49:30.single market? That's why this will be an interesting conversation over

:49:31. > :49:36.the next seven weeks. Negotiating will take a full two years. This

:49:37. > :49:40.isn't something that will be on June 9thth, we'll have a deal with the

:49:41. > :49:44.rest of Europe, hard or soft Brexit. This will be something that will

:49:45. > :49:47.involve politicians. I already was going to have, before this was

:49:48. > :49:52.called, a set of public meetings to talk to people about what they

:49:53. > :49:56.expected out of Brexit. The referendum, that last year's debate

:49:57. > :50:02.has settled. Clear cloys, Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn leading this

:50:03. > :50:07.process, getting that best deal now? I'm convinced Theresa May is ruining

:50:08. > :50:12.this country. This hard Brexit path she's following. She wants to reject

:50:13. > :50:15.our biggest trading partners and go off round the world talking to

:50:16. > :50:20.dictators hoping she can patch together something. Brilliant

:50:21. > :50:25.answer. That's repeating a point. And what a Labour Government under

:50:26. > :50:30.Jeremy Corbyn will do is it will ensure that we replicate as quickly

:50:31. > :50:36.and surely as possible the trading relationships to give us the

:50:37. > :50:41.prosperity we want. Tom, adjudicate. Which of those parties will be best

:50:42. > :50:46.able to deliver Brexit? I don't think either are well placed to.

:50:47. > :50:50.That's why we want as many Liberal Democrats elected so the centre of

:50:51. > :50:56.gravity which is very much on the hard end of Brexit is brought back

:50:57. > :51:01.to the centre where most people whether they voted for Remain or

:51:02. > :51:06.Leave, thought the UK would be within the single market. That's

:51:07. > :51:10.what people who voted thought the Prime Minister was going to do. We

:51:11. > :51:14.are not going to leave the whole Brexit theme but we'll drill down a

:51:15. > :51:18.little deeper. How are the key issues as well as Brexit of Labour's

:51:19. > :51:23.recent divisions. It is policies too. Worries over public services.

:51:24. > :51:25.How will that be viewed in potentially one of the tightest

:51:26. > :51:40.races? I will for the North. To make this report,

:51:41. > :51:43.we trawled through pages of data about the constituency and found

:51:44. > :51:46.apart from being quite a multi-cultural area, this part

:51:47. > :51:48.of London is strikingly normal. So, whether you're looking

:51:49. > :51:50.at how old people are, how much education they got,

:51:51. > :51:52.whether they're healthy, how many cars they own,

:51:53. > :51:55.if they own their own homes or not, Ilford North is uncannily

:51:56. > :51:58.near the national average on almost But politically, this is a knife

:51:59. > :52:01.edge constituenciency Labour won by just 589 seats

:52:02. > :52:03.in the last election. With the polls suggesting big swings

:52:04. > :52:06.to the Conservatives this time round, the people of Ilford North,

:52:07. > :52:09.if it really is like the rest of the country, could well wake up

:52:10. > :52:13.on 9th June with a Conservative We'll get you shown around

:52:14. > :52:18.in one of our taxis. The man who has the job for now

:52:19. > :52:21.is Labour's Wes Streeting. He took us on a tour

:52:22. > :52:23.of the neighbourhood which, according to BBC research,

:52:24. > :52:26.voted almost exactly like the rest of the country in the EU referendum

:52:27. > :52:31.with 52% opting to leave. This is meant to be

:52:32. > :52:36.a Brexit general election. My sense from talking to people,

:52:37. > :52:40.I knock on doors every week and have done for the last two years,

:52:41. > :52:43.I have to prompt conversations on Brexit more time

:52:44. > :52:46.than not on the doorstep. Next stop, Wes's

:52:47. > :52:51.constituency office. Were we typical from the man almost

:52:52. > :52:54.certain to be his Conservative I'm sure I'll be seeing a lot

:52:55. > :53:03.of you in the next seven weeks. In the last two years, Wes made

:53:04. > :53:06.a name for himself as a leading critic of the Labour Party leader

:53:07. > :53:09.Jeremy Corbyn, even going as far as saying the party can't

:53:10. > :53:11.win a general election The battle is joined

:53:12. > :53:22.by mobile phone. There's a landslide Tory Government

:53:23. > :53:25.will deliver the hardest of hard Brexits and will deliver classic

:53:26. > :53:28.Tory policies that will hit people, particularly the poorest,

:53:29. > :53:31.on lower-middle incomes, They don't care every

:53:32. > :53:36.school in my constituency They don't care my local A

:53:37. > :53:40.is about to be closed. They don't care about the disabled

:53:41. > :53:42.people in my constituency who've had their motability

:53:43. > :53:44.vehicles taken away. The Labour leaflets handed out

:53:45. > :53:49.on the street that we found have But quite a bit about Wes

:53:50. > :53:54.himself and local issues, particularly the fate of the A

:53:55. > :53:58.and The King George's Hospital. At the local Conservative

:53:59. > :54:01.Association we showed them to the man at the other end

:54:02. > :54:03.of the phone call Clearly, every election I've ever

:54:04. > :54:09.stood in as a member of Parliament, as a councillor, every single time

:54:10. > :54:12.I hear from the Labour Party that King George's is closing,

:54:13. > :54:15.there will be cuts there. Later on, I'll take you down

:54:16. > :54:18.to the A at King George's, I'll take you down to the hospital

:54:19. > :54:22.which is still functioning. So, I don't believe scaremongering's

:54:23. > :54:25.going to help anyone. There are no plans there would not

:54:26. > :54:29.be, at the very least, a 24-hour I campaigned to keep St George's A

:54:30. > :54:34.open and will do so again. So, if he's trying to make

:54:35. > :54:37.the local NHS a non-issue, what would Lee like this election

:54:38. > :54:41.to be about? Do we want a coalition chaos under

:54:42. > :54:46.Jeremy Corbyn or do we want In the end, it is voters and not

:54:47. > :54:55.politicians who decide how Jeremy Corbyn, not the best

:54:56. > :55:00.speaker but he has a good I've never voted Conservative

:55:01. > :55:05.in my life to be honest with you, I don't think I like

:55:06. > :55:15.the present Prime Minister. Normally Labour, but I think

:55:16. > :55:22.Theresa May's probably the best The Greens and Liberal Democrats

:55:23. > :55:27.are also standing in Ilford North. Ukip have told us they're

:55:28. > :55:30.looking for a candidate. But with just 46 days to go,

:55:31. > :55:45.in this part of London, One of the issues for health in a

:55:46. > :55:50.moment. First, quickly, about Wes streeting. We talked about Neil coil

:55:51. > :55:54.in Southwark. Two very critical of the leadership. Do they deserve to

:55:55. > :56:02.win when they've been so critical of the leader. Wes street something a

:56:03. > :56:06.fantastic MP. Not Neil coil? I think I've made the case for Neil. Even

:56:07. > :56:11.though they haven't. When they've been so critical over the last few

:56:12. > :56:15.months and years, if they are not rallying fully behind the leadership

:56:16. > :56:21.now do they deserve to win? I think you know the answer to the question.

:56:22. > :56:27.I know these people. They are committed to their constituencies

:56:28. > :56:30.and their constituents. That could have been me speaking about school

:56:31. > :56:36.cuts and threats to local hospitals. It is a cheek for the Tory candidate

:56:37. > :56:42.there to say that. The only reason these A closures have been delayed

:56:43. > :56:47.not withdrawn is because there's such a crisis in the health service.

:56:48. > :56:50.So much demand, so many people waiting so long on trolleys and A,

:56:51. > :56:56.they have not been able to close them this year. Make no mistake,

:56:57. > :57:01.they intend to do that. My next question, scaremongering, if hasn't

:57:02. > :57:05.happened? No, because the NHS is in crisis because the Tories haven't

:57:06. > :57:10.funded it and demand's going up. Any sensible Government, this is my real

:57:11. > :57:14.beef with Theresa May's Government, any sensible Government would say

:57:15. > :57:20.that's not going to work. Our plan to close A, in fact, they are

:57:21. > :57:26.saying they'll go ahead with them. Every school in my constituency will

:57:27. > :57:33.lose up to 25% of its school budget. St Helier hospital, between you two,

:57:34. > :57:38.you both campaigned to keep it open. Paul Scully, Andy Slaughter saying

:57:39. > :57:43.it won't stay open. With St Helier, we've heard is a quarter-of-a

:57:44. > :57:49.century saying it will close with no viewpoint of how to take this off

:57:50. > :57:52.the table. What I've been keen to do is work with the Chief Executive of

:57:53. > :57:59.the hospital locally to see what we can do to maybe build a new hospital

:58:00. > :58:03.facility in Sutton that is going to provide all those services. You

:58:04. > :58:12.think there is a future there? But it... Let's trust the Tories, Tom

:58:13. > :58:18.Brake. He's arguing for the closure of St Helier hospital No, I'm not.

:58:19. > :58:23.With a replayment at the Sutton hospital site. There isn't the money

:58:24. > :58:28.which amounts to 500 million or ?600 million to build a hospital on the

:58:29. > :58:31.Sutton site. The risk of what he's advocating is we lose St Helier

:58:32. > :58:36.hospital and don't gain Sutton hospital. You're wrong on both

:58:37. > :58:39.counts. It doesn't cost that amount. I know from 25 years of campaigning

:58:40. > :58:45.enough about the future of the hospital to know what it will cost.

:58:46. > :58:53.It will cost around ?75 million. Do you think there should be any A

:58:54. > :58:58.closures, any reforms? The last review is consultant-led. If you're

:58:59. > :59:01.a junior doctor why go to St Hell year when everyone says it will

:59:02. > :59:05.close down. You want to go to St George, where the action is,

:59:06. > :59:13.according to the political waves. So, it is a self-perpetuating cycle,

:59:14. > :59:17.really. Can I say, doctors would want to go to St Helier hospital

:59:18. > :59:22.because it is one of the highest performing in London and achieves

:59:23. > :59:26.the best results in A It is a shame it could be closed down. Can I

:59:27. > :59:31.pick up on some of the themes from earlier. Your leader Jeremy Corbyn,

:59:32. > :59:36.not apparently committing yet. Not clear about Trident which will come

:59:37. > :59:40.up on the doorstep. Do you want to see a commitment to keep Trident in

:59:41. > :59:45.the manifesto? There is a commitment. I'm sure it will be. You

:59:46. > :59:49.want that though? It will be. It will be party policy and it will be.

:59:50. > :59:57.You mentioned the doorstep. I've been eight hours there this weekend.

:59:58. > :00:03.The Health Service came up, housing crisis, schools, housing crisis.

:00:04. > :00:09.Very neat swerve. I can't even get on to Brexit and the NHS. Do you

:00:10. > :00:14.agree this lock on taxation, which should be prepared to look the a

:00:15. > :00:19.national insurance, income tax, VAT to see if this rises are necessary?

:00:20. > :00:24.The Chancellor can talk about flexibility. I did speak out to the

:00:25. > :00:26.Treasury about the national insurance changes in the last

:00:27. > :00:34.budget. I've run businesses for 25 years. I don't want to send the

:00:35. > :00:37.wrong signal to people taking risks. But in terms of flexibility for the

:00:38. > :00:42.Chancellor, we'll see what the manifesto brings. A number of people

:00:43. > :00:46.said to me, the Liberal Democrats, tuition fees. They still can't let

:00:47. > :00:53.that go. People who have's children going through. What will you do

:00:54. > :00:59.about that? I've campaigning a lot. No-one's mentioned tuition fees. On

:01:00. > :01:02.all the wrong issues today. The Prime Minister has chosen to make

:01:03. > :01:09.this general election Brexit. That is what we'll fight it on. But also

:01:10. > :01:16.on issues like the NHS. Run out of time. Andrew, back to you.

:01:17. > :01:22.Now, Ukip have made their first significant policy announcement

:01:23. > :01:28.of the election campaign today with a call for a ban on wearing

:01:29. > :01:34.But is it a policy that will meet with the approval of the man

:01:35. > :01:36.who bankrolled the party's last general election campaign?

:01:37. > :01:44.Hello, Andrew. Let me see if I can clarify some things, are you a

:01:45. > :01:50.member of Ukip? I a patron of Ukip so I don't stop being a member. So

:01:51. > :01:54.you are still a member? I am, apparently for life. Are you still

:01:55. > :02:00.hoping to bankroll Ukip? Not at the moment. Why is that? The internal

:02:01. > :02:05.problems we have had in Ukip have been aired, and a lot needs to

:02:06. > :02:09.happen in the party in terms of professionalising it and I think it

:02:10. > :02:14.is ill-prepared for this general election. Are you going to run in

:02:15. > :02:22.Clacton? I will be if selected. For Ukip? Yes. Have you been to Clacton?

:02:23. > :02:26.I've been with Nigel Mansell on the campaign. You will run for a

:02:27. > :02:32.constituency you've only been in once? Yes, why does that surprise

:02:33. > :02:36.you? You know nothing about it. I've just recently decided to become the

:02:37. > :02:40.candidate there. Did you know where it is? Of course I do, your piece

:02:41. > :02:44.the other night was completely wrong. I said I knew where it was

:02:45. > :02:51.but I didn't know much about it. Maybe the people of Clacton will

:02:52. > :02:57.regard you as a carpetbagger? Why? Because you have never been there.

:02:58. > :03:01.Most politicians are carpetbaggers and I will be there for the right

:03:02. > :03:07.reasons. I thought it was because of your visceral hatred of Douglas

:03:08. > :03:10.Carswell. He only lasted 24 hours after I announced my candidacy so we

:03:11. > :03:14.will see what happens. The main thing I am going to Clacton on

:03:15. > :03:17.Monday to meet the Ukip councillors, see what the issues are and see if

:03:18. > :03:23.they want me as a candidate. They may not want me. Who do you think

:03:24. > :03:29.you will be up against? The potential Conservative candidate.

:03:30. > :03:34.Who in Ukip? I don't suppose anyone in Ukip will stand against me, I

:03:35. > :03:42.wouldn't have thought. Really? I would have thought. Money talks! Why

:03:43. > :03:45.do you say that? You talked about having a pirate radio station to

:03:46. > :03:48.blast into Clacton so it is not covered by the election rules.

:03:49. > :03:54.You've been talking about financing a sort of right-wing Momentum

:03:55. > :03:58.movement. I just wonder, has politics now just become a

:03:59. > :04:01.Richmond's hobby? From my perspective the reason I'm

:04:02. > :04:04.interested in it is if you have looked at what has happened in the

:04:05. > :04:09.country, it's clear the Conservatives will have a massive

:04:10. > :04:15.majority. -- has politics become a rich man's hobby. Only putting up

:04:16. > :04:22.candidates not against Brexit MPs. Is Ukip over? I don't think so. The

:04:23. > :04:24.electoral maths is interesting because first-past-the-post

:04:25. > :04:35.effectively could help Ukip in this example. Ukip got one MP with 4

:04:36. > :04:38.million votes. What we are seeing is the total collapse of Labour. In

:04:39. > :04:41.that situation there are certain seats up north in Hartlepool and

:04:42. > :04:45.other seats like that, the total collapse of the Labour Party could

:04:46. > :04:51.help Ukip to win a few seats. Is Ukip over? It looks that way, yes.

:04:52. > :04:54.They haven't made much of a dent in Labour's vote in the north, they

:04:55. > :04:59.don't really have a defining issue anymore and all the polls we have

:05:00. > :05:03.seen published since the election was called show Ukip vote is going

:05:04. > :05:07.to the Conservatives. Is Ukip over? It always happens when the

:05:08. > :05:11.Conservative Party goes far to the right, really hard Brexit, there is

:05:12. > :05:18.no space for BMP, Ukip and all of that. Are you associating the BNP

:05:19. > :05:21.with Ukip? Or that, movements to the right of the Conservatives get eaten

:05:22. > :05:26.up one the Conservatives move as far right as Theresa May has done. I

:05:27. > :05:31.think what your enterprise shows is how it's really time to reform

:05:32. > :05:36.funding of political parties. It is disgraceful that very rich people

:05:37. > :05:40.can move in and bankroll the Brexit campaigned to the extent that they

:05:41. > :05:46.did. We need proper state funding of parties. The union is bankrolling

:05:47. > :05:54.Labour. I assume the reform would include trade unions? Indeed. Ukip

:05:55. > :05:57.has lost its talisman in Nigel Farage, it was a one-man party, I

:05:58. > :06:03.have to say, people like Tim. Having voted for Brexit its reason to be

:06:04. > :06:06.has gone. It will still take votes from Labour and the Conservatives

:06:07. > :06:10.but probably only from the don't knows. There are seats in certain

:06:11. > :06:16.places where if enough Tories back Ukip dated when. Hartlepool is an

:06:17. > :06:20.example. Were the Tories will never win. The demise of Ukip has been

:06:21. > :06:23.forecasted many times before but I don't see a Tory candidate winning

:06:24. > :06:28.in a place like Hartlepool. So we could see, and I think we will see,

:06:29. > :06:32.the total collapse of the Labour vote. We shall see. The leader of

:06:33. > :06:36.the party of which you say you are still a patron, Paul Nuttall, said

:06:37. > :06:45.he would ban the Burcea and the niqab in public, what is your view?

:06:46. > :06:49.-- the niqab and the Burcea? I'm not in agreement with that. If it is a

:06:50. > :06:53.security issue at airports or public transport it could be acceptable but

:06:54. > :06:56.I'm not in favour of curtailing people's writes. You have gone

:06:57. > :07:01.further than him, haven't you? You tweeted you wanted to ban Muslim

:07:02. > :07:04.immigration. In my view the problem we have had with the lack of

:07:05. > :07:08.integration in certain communities has come about through mass

:07:09. > :07:13.open-door immigration. If you are a must win you wouldn't be allowed in?

:07:14. > :07:18.What I said in the tweet was I think they should be a ban on

:07:19. > :07:23.immigration... You said Muslim immigration. That's what I believe.

:07:24. > :07:26.If you are a world famous doctor coming to help one of our big

:07:27. > :07:30.teaching hospitals in this country because you are a Muslim you could

:07:31. > :07:33.not get in? We have to start somewhere, there are huge problems

:07:34. > :07:39.in areas where 20% of the population don't speak the language, they

:07:40. > :07:44.haven't integrated. You should read the rest of the tweet, it is control

:07:45. > :07:48.of immigration from a 10-year ban on unskilled immigration. The first

:07:49. > :07:51.thing you said was to ban Muslim immigration, it is in black and

:07:52. > :07:55.white. I have said that, I do not dispute that. I was questioning

:07:56. > :08:00.that. There is my answer, you cannot tell somebody's will adjust freedoms

:08:01. > :08:05.but what you can do is stop adding to the problem. Doesn't that sound a

:08:06. > :08:09.bit like the BNP? It's as like BNP and like Trump. Its, we hate

:08:10. > :08:14.Muslims, fine, if that is what you are standing for, that is clear. The

:08:15. > :08:17.final word is we have had open-door mass immigration from the

:08:18. > :08:20.Conservative Party, we've had it from the Labour Party and its fine

:08:21. > :08:24.if you are in north London to say these things, if you live in Oldham

:08:25. > :08:27.and your community has been radically changed and you have a

:08:28. > :08:31.whole population not integrating in, not speaking the language, something

:08:32. > :08:36.has got to be done. We had better leave it there. Thank you for coming

:08:37. > :08:38.in. I am en route to Clacton. We will see how you get on there.

:08:39. > :08:41.Now, Lib Dem leader Tim Farron was on TV earlier today

:08:42. > :08:43.and he was asked again about an issue that he's been

:08:44. > :08:45.asked about repeatedly - his attitude to homosexuality.

:08:46. > :08:55.when they asked you whether gay sex was a sin.

:08:56. > :08:57.Come on, Robert, I've been asked this question loads

:08:58. > :09:01.few days and I have been clear, even in the House of Commons,

:09:02. > :09:12.It's possible I'm not the only person getting tired

:09:13. > :09:15.Probably, but then why don't you just close it down?

:09:16. > :09:27.Toby Young, why does he get into such a mess over this? I mean, he is

:09:28. > :09:31.leader of the Liberal Democrats. Its 2017. I guess the reason he keeps

:09:32. > :09:35.refusing to answer that question is because what the implication is that

:09:36. > :09:42.he does think that homosexual acts are sinful, and he cannot bring

:09:43. > :09:46.himself not to say that, or to say what Robert Peston and others want

:09:47. > :09:50.him to say because he is an evangelical Christian who converted

:09:51. > :09:53.at the age of 20, 21, and clearly he really struggles with this issue and

:09:54. > :09:57.I think it will be really difficult for the Lib Dems to promote, or even

:09:58. > :10:00.Lib Dem candidates like Vince Cable, to promote the idea of the

:10:01. > :10:04.Progressive Alliance even though Tim has ruled it out, if he is not

:10:05. > :10:13.prepared to say I don't think homosexual acts are sinful. What is

:10:14. > :10:16.your view? It is disastrous if that is what he really thinks but Preston

:10:17. > :10:18.did not push the hard. I'm not sure he understood the difference about

:10:19. > :10:22.the question between gay sex and being gay. I think he just thought

:10:23. > :10:25.he was going on saying I'm not anti-gay. He needs to command

:10:26. > :10:30.immediately and clarify it. If you are right and he does actually think

:10:31. > :10:33.it is a sin he is in real trouble. There is a slight parallel with what

:10:34. > :10:37.police said before about Jeremy Corbyn, how his unilateral nuclear

:10:38. > :10:42.policy would appeal to the hard core of the left. The problem for Tim

:10:43. > :10:47.Farron with what he is saying here, while he is an evangelical

:10:48. > :10:54.Christian, this will not appeal to traditional Liberal Democrats. An

:10:55. > :10:59.LGBT community member cannot possibly vote for an MP who believes

:11:00. > :11:02.that a sexual act between homosexuals is sinful. He has not

:11:03. > :11:07.made that clear. Of course, he wants to stop Brexit as well so he is

:11:08. > :11:10.neither liberal nor democratic. He will have seven weeks to make it

:11:11. > :11:14.clear because I am sure he will be asked again. We have the chairman of

:11:15. > :11:19.the Conservative Party on earlier, Polly. An important figure for the

:11:20. > :11:23.Tory campaign. What did you make of what he said? I don't think he will

:11:24. > :11:27.have him on very often, he didn't do brilliantly. I think they will bring

:11:28. > :11:32.back chemical Ali, Michael Fallon, he can say anything with a straight

:11:33. > :11:37.face, he can say black is white. Michael Fallon, chemical Ali? Why do

:11:38. > :11:43.you say that? He can absolutely say black is white. For instance if you

:11:44. > :11:49.look back at what he said, you challenged him about the energy

:11:50. > :11:54.policy, when Ed Miliband came out with it, he said any kind of freeze

:11:55. > :11:58.would stop investment, the lights will go out. You have him on, he

:11:59. > :12:04.will say the exact opposite. He is magic at that. But I don't think

:12:05. > :12:11.your guy today was up to the job. If Michael Fallon was chemical Ali, or

:12:12. > :12:17.we should say chemical Fally, Patrick was more like comical Ali.

:12:18. > :12:22.The whole Iraq war is rushing back at me. He is the warm up comedian,

:12:23. > :12:26.there is another six weeks to go, just getting things started. What

:12:27. > :12:30.did you think? I don't think he was too bad, it was difficult for him to

:12:31. > :12:34.say exactly what was in the 2050 manifesto is going to be replicated

:12:35. > :12:37.in the Conservatives' manifesto during this general election, he

:12:38. > :12:40.doesn't want to be seen rowing back on stuff but on the other hand I

:12:41. > :12:44.don't think he can conceal the fact they will be far fewer commitments

:12:45. > :12:48.in this Conservative manifesto than in the last one, as you and I know,

:12:49. > :12:57.it was full of rash promises last time because they thought they would

:12:58. > :12:59.have to trade a lot of them away in the negotiations with the Liberal

:13:00. > :13:01.Democrats to form a second coalition so they are saddled with policies

:13:02. > :13:03.they don't particularly want to be hemmed in by. The forthcoming

:13:04. > :13:06.Conservative manifesto will be much lighter and shorter with fewer

:13:07. > :13:10.commitments. Different? Some stuff jumped from the 2050 manifesto? I

:13:11. > :13:13.think so but we will see a commitment to run schools to

:13:14. > :13:16.overcome that hurdle in the next parliament and I don't think, in

:13:17. > :13:21.spite of what you think, Polly, that it will be a hard tack to the right.

:13:22. > :13:26.I think if anything the mood music of the Conservative manifesto will

:13:27. > :13:30.be a centrist inclusive one. The mood music will be because the

:13:31. > :13:33.specifics would be there. She is good at saying governing for

:13:34. > :13:37.everybody and the many and not the few but when you look at the hard

:13:38. > :13:40.facts of what her and Hammond's budget looks like, you look at her

:13:41. > :13:48.hard Brexit, it's a very different story. Or that, the music has

:13:49. > :13:55.stopped for this week! Thank you. I will be back next week at the normal

:13:56. > :13:59.time of 11am on Sunday morning. On BBC One The Daily Politics is back

:14:00. > :14:03.at midday tomorrow and we will be on every day next week on BBC Two.

:14:04. > :14:33.Remember, if it's Sunday, it is The Sunday Politics.

:14:34. > :14:36.There'll be a couple of hours of just fantastic music, really,

:14:37. > :14:39.all the Ella classics, as well as some very special guests,

:14:40. > :14:43.we have Mica Paris, Imelda May, Dame Cleo Laine