11/06/2017

:00:00. > :00:00.But stay with us for more drama as we can now go straight

:00:00. > :00:00.to the Sunday Politics with Andrew Neil who's

:00:00. > :00:12.We are indeed in the sunshine. Welcome from the heart of

:00:13. > :00:26.Westminster. Theresa May reappointing key figures

:00:27. > :00:30.to the Cabinet, sacking had to closest aides, Nick Timothy and

:00:31. > :00:34.Fiona Hill. After Conservative MPs demanded their removal in the

:00:35. > :00:37.Conservative failure to win an overall majority in the House of

:00:38. > :00:42.Commons. Over the next hour and a bit we'll continue to take stock on

:00:43. > :00:43.the remarkable events of the last 72 hours and try to work out where we

:00:44. > :00:47.go from here. First though, here's Adam Fleming

:00:48. > :00:50.with a reminder of the high octane I was going to say this

:00:51. > :00:56.chair is quite warm. Michael Fallon's bum

:00:57. > :01:04.was on this chair. Bums on seats, its election

:01:05. > :01:06.night at the BBC, hosted This is David Dimbleby's

:01:07. > :01:10.actual seat! Look, he's got four pencils,

:01:11. > :01:16.stopwatch and a calculator. And what we are saying

:01:17. > :01:23.is the Conservatives Note, they don't have an overall

:01:24. > :01:31.majority at this stage. 314 for the Conservatives,

:01:32. > :01:33.that's down 17. Luckily there were plenty

:01:34. > :01:43.of politicians who never are. What does this exit

:01:44. > :01:49.poll actually mean? Well, if it's accurate it means

:01:50. > :01:52.Theresa May has just presided over the greatest catastrophe that I can

:01:53. > :01:55.think of in the Conservative We haven't seen a seat change hands

:01:56. > :02:02.and we are hearing about possible Conservative gains in the Midlands

:02:03. > :02:04.and losses in London, People will write Ph.D.s about the

:02:05. > :02:10.2017 election Labour candidates were winning

:02:11. > :02:16.in unexpected places. Tories were losing in unexpected

:02:17. > :02:20.places, including eight members of the Government,

:02:21. > :02:22.like Treasury minister The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd,

:02:23. > :02:30.held on in Hastings...just. OK, the former Deputy Prime Minister

:02:31. > :02:32.and former leader of the Liberal Democrats,

:02:33. > :02:34.Nick Clegg, has been beaten I've always sought to stand

:02:35. > :02:40.by the liberal values I believe in, but I, of course, have encountered

:02:41. > :02:43.this evening something many people have encountered before tonight,

:02:44. > :02:48.and I suspect many people will encounter after tonight,

:02:49. > :02:51.which is - in politics you live by the sword, and you

:02:52. > :02:54.die by the sword. Lib Dem leader Tim Farron

:02:55. > :02:59.was narrowly re-elected in Cumbria, unlike the SNP's Westminster

:03:00. > :03:04.leader Angus Robertson, who lost his seat, former First

:03:05. > :03:07.Minister Alex Salmond defeated too. The Scottish National Party have

:03:08. > :03:11.lost many fine parliamentarians this evening, and that is a grievous blow

:03:12. > :03:15.to the SNP. But overall the results in Scotland

:03:16. > :03:20.show the SNP will have won a majority of the seats in this

:03:21. > :03:23.country and a majority of the vote. Paul Nuttall failed to get

:03:24. > :03:29.elected in Skegness So, the green room looking a bit

:03:30. > :03:37.ruined, a bit like Ukip I think we are doing

:03:38. > :03:41.better than the SNP. We deliberately didn't stand in some

:03:42. > :03:48.seats to try to give Brexit I think it's quite interesting

:03:49. > :03:52.the main leading Brexit candidates in this election

:03:53. > :03:56.are getting their seat back. Right, it's dawn in the real world

:03:57. > :04:17.and I found a pub that has been open What state are they going

:04:18. > :04:24.to be in, in there? And was it young people

:04:25. > :04:26.who had seen Corbyn, voted, and got the T-shirt who helped

:04:27. > :04:29.the Labour leader to Right, five past five

:04:30. > :04:34.in the morning, we are outside Jeremy Corbyn's house in Islington

:04:35. > :04:37.in north London. Surprisingly small press pack

:04:38. > :04:39.for the man who's destroyed Jeremy!

:04:40. > :04:42.Jeremy! If there is a message from

:04:43. > :04:49.tonight's result, it's this - the Prime Minister called

:04:50. > :04:51.the election because Well, the mandate she's got is lost

:04:52. > :04:58.Conservative seats, lost votes, I would have thought that's enough

:04:59. > :05:06.to go actually and make way for a government that will be truly

:05:07. > :05:08.representative of all Theresa May did the opposite,

:05:09. > :05:15.popping to the palace, What the country needs more

:05:16. > :05:23.than ever is certainty, and having secured the largest

:05:24. > :05:27.number of votes and the greatest number of seats in the general

:05:28. > :05:31.election, it is clear that only the Conservatives and Unionist Party

:05:32. > :05:36.have the legitimacy and ability to provide that certainty

:05:37. > :05:38.by commanding a majority As we do, we will continue to work

:05:39. > :05:46.with our friends and allies, in the Democratic Unionist Party

:05:47. > :05:52.in particular. 15 hours after election night

:05:53. > :06:24.started, it's all over. And joined by Tom Newton Dunn, Julia

:06:25. > :06:29.Hartley-Brewer and Steve Richards. Julia, why did it go so wrong for

:06:30. > :06:32.the Conservatives? You can't run a presidential campaign if you have a

:06:33. > :06:36.candidate with less than the charisma of this desk. If you're not

:06:37. > :06:40.going to put her out to debate, if she's not coming to the people and

:06:41. > :06:44.selling herself, which she studiously didn't do, you can't run

:06:45. > :06:48.that campaign. There was the possibility another leader could

:06:49. > :06:51.have walked that with 800 majority against Jeremy Corbyn. Another

:06:52. > :06:59.campaign, we will never know, could have delivered a majority of 30 or

:07:00. > :07:06.40, without the deal with the DUP. I'm not saying it was fundamentally

:07:07. > :07:12.wrong to call the election at this time, but it was the wrong candidate

:07:13. > :07:17.and the wrong campaign. The third election in a row that Labour has

:07:18. > :07:20.failed to win. It was still a substantial and historic achievement

:07:21. > :07:26.for Jeremy Corbyn. If you consider the context in which this election

:07:27. > :07:30.was called, Theresa May, on her honeymoon to die for, politically,

:07:31. > :07:36.with Labour voters split over Brexit, suddenly calling an election

:07:37. > :07:39.when most Labour MPs were not willing to cooperate with whatever

:07:40. > :07:42.campaign was being held by Labour, for them to do as well as they have

:07:43. > :07:47.done is an extraordinary achievement. They got no more seats

:07:48. > :07:51.than Gordon Brown in 2010, roughly the same. But the context couldn't

:07:52. > :07:56.have been more daunting, and to wipe out a majority of this figure, who

:07:57. > :08:02.six weeks ago was walking on water and appeared to have Brexit as part

:08:03. > :08:05.of her ammunition against the split Labour vote, remains astonishing.

:08:06. > :08:15.One of the errors she made and so many others she made and probably

:08:16. > :08:19.all of us, was to underestimate the potency of Corbyn and the relatively

:08:20. > :08:24.modest social Democrat manifesto. Doesn't it take stupidity bordering

:08:25. > :08:28.on genius to turn a 20 point lead at the start of the campaign into a

:08:29. > :08:32.hung parliament? It does and it did. That's what happened. I think the

:08:33. > :08:36.lead was soft, largely because Theresa May was unknown. We know her

:08:37. > :08:40.because we have been having lunch and interviews with her for years on

:08:41. > :08:46.end. The public didn't know her. They got to know her and they

:08:47. > :08:51.discovered she was the Maybot, which is the term that will stick after

:08:52. > :08:57.this campaign. I differ from my two colleagues here, it wasn't the

:08:58. > :09:00.amazing right of Corbyn, it was a complete failure to remember that

:09:01. > :09:04.people wanted a revolution when they voted for Brexit, and she came

:09:05. > :09:12.across as the party and candidate of continuity. As things stand, we are

:09:13. > :09:17.where we are. Where are we?! Where do we go from here? I was with

:09:18. > :09:20.College Green with you in the early hours of Friday morning and I didn't

:09:21. > :09:27.see anybody that said, see you back here in October. A second election?

:09:28. > :09:32.God forbid, nobody wants a second election, but I can't see the Tories

:09:33. > :09:36.being able to stay in power with the DUP and I'm personally very unhappy

:09:37. > :09:40.with a lot of DUP policies, their stance on gay rights, capital

:09:41. > :09:43.punishment, abortion rights, and there will be an awful lot of

:09:44. > :09:49.people, floating voters, who will recoil in horror at that, even on

:09:50. > :09:53.unofficial lines. I get the sense Jeremy Corbyn will be up for a

:09:54. > :09:58.second election, as quick as it comes. I'm sure he is, and if there

:09:59. > :10:01.was one company might well win it, which is why there won't be. All

:10:02. > :10:04.logic points to another election but I don't think there will be one,

:10:05. > :10:10.because I don't think any Conservative Prime Minister will

:10:11. > :10:13.feel strong and confident enough after the trauma of this. They would

:10:14. > :10:19.have to be 50 points ahead in the polls to take the risk. I think

:10:20. > :10:22.rather like between 74 and 79 we will have a frail and fragile House

:10:23. > :10:25.of Commons with a minority government for quite a long time,

:10:26. > :10:29.simply because whoever is Prime Minister will not have the

:10:30. > :10:33.confidence to call an election. So the Tories fear of a quick second

:10:34. > :10:37.election could well result in them going more leniently on Mrs May than

:10:38. > :10:45.they really want to. We have seen already, Miss Mrs May is still Prime

:10:46. > :10:50.Minister. That wouldn't have happened by now if they thought they

:10:51. > :10:55.could win a second snap election. I think they will stabilise. They are

:10:56. > :10:57.also desperate to get Brexit negotiations underway. That's

:10:58. > :11:01.another reason she is still there. She is the one who needs to pull the

:11:02. > :11:06.trigger. Most of the Tory party are aching to have the trigger pulled.

:11:07. > :11:09.When that is bold, when I have stabilised, and when Jeremy Corbyn

:11:10. > :11:14.is back the House of Commons, where remember he's not very good, I think

:11:15. > :11:20.they might your right. Lots more to talk about. Thank you for being with

:11:21. > :11:23.me in the open air, the Westminster penthouse, open to the world. I just

:11:24. > :11:26.need to find the cocktail bar. Although it is early.

:11:27. > :11:28.So, let's take a look at the election results

:11:29. > :11:31.Here's how the parties fared in the election on Thursday.

:11:32. > :11:34.And here's how they got on in the previous general

:11:35. > :11:38.As you can see, the Labour vote is up dramatically, by ten points.

:11:39. > :11:40.But the Conservative vote also rose quite significantly, by five points.

:11:41. > :11:43.The SNP and the Liberal Democrats both saw declines in their support.

:11:44. > :11:45.And Ukip's vote has almost completely collapsed,

:11:46. > :11:48.from 13% in 2015 to just 2% this time around.

:11:49. > :11:57.So the resurgence of two-party politics is one of the key

:11:58. > :12:06.The combined vote share of the two main parties is now 82%,

:12:07. > :12:11.the highest it's been since the election in 1970.

:12:12. > :12:16.And it's more if you exclude Northern Ireland.

:12:17. > :12:18.That's partly explained by the collapse of Ukip.

:12:19. > :12:22.According to one estimate, the Conservatives may have got 57%

:12:23. > :12:28.It's also thought that last year's EU referendum has helped to polarise

:12:29. > :12:32.support along the traditional Labour and Conservative lines.

:12:33. > :12:35.In polls carried out before the election,

:12:36. > :12:40.it was estimated that 50% of remain voters supported Labour and nearly

:12:41. > :12:42.two-thirds of leave voters supported the Conservatives.

:12:43. > :12:48.There's also speculation that a rise in the number of young voters may be

:12:49. > :12:50.behind the boost in Labour's support - but we don't yet have

:12:51. > :13:00.But it's notable that Labour did well in certain constituencies

:13:01. > :13:04.For example, it's thought that the large number of students

:13:05. > :13:08.in Canterbury helped Labour win the seat for the first time

:13:09. > :13:12.ever, with a 9% swing from the Conservatives.

:13:13. > :13:17.The two main parties have also seen changes in their number of seats.

:13:18. > :13:21.Labour lost six seats but gained 36, giving them a net gain of 30 seats.

:13:22. > :13:24.Most of those Labour gains were in England,

:13:25. > :13:28.where the party took 27 seats, mainly from the Conservatives.

:13:29. > :13:30.They also gained three seats in Wales and six

:13:31. > :13:38.As for the Conservatives, they lost a total of 33

:13:39. > :13:42.seats but also gained 20, giving them a net loss of 13 seats.

:13:43. > :13:47.Most of those 20 Conservative gains came in Scotland,

:13:48. > :13:54.where the party took 12 seats from the SNP.

:13:55. > :13:58.Meaning the Scottish Tories are allowing Mrs May to try to form a

:13:59. > :14:01.government this week! Who would have thought!

:14:02. > :14:02.In England, the Conservatives won

:14:03. > :14:05.Joining me now from Glasgow is the brains behind Thursday

:14:06. > :14:07.night's astoundingly accurate exit poll, the polling expert

:14:08. > :14:26.And John, the Tories saw a 5-point rise in the share of the votes to

:14:27. > :14:32.42%, very high by recent historical standards, but still lost over a

:14:33. > :14:37.dozen seats, why? Under our first past the post electoral system, the

:14:38. > :14:42.share of the vote you get is almost irrelevant. What is crucial is how

:14:43. > :14:47.you do relative to your opponents. In particular so far as Conservative

:14:48. > :14:55.and Labour are concerned, what determines the fate is the gap

:14:56. > :14:59.between them. In the 2015 election, the Conservatives had a 7-point

:15:00. > :15:03.lead, that only got them a majority of 12, and somebody should have said

:15:04. > :15:07.to the Prime Minister before she pulled the trigger, you do realise

:15:08. > :15:11.you have to be a long way ahead of the Labour Party in order to

:15:12. > :15:16.increase your majority. The opinion polls say you are at that point now

:15:17. > :15:23.but if they fall you are in trouble. In the end of the Conservative lead

:15:24. > :15:28.is 2.5 points, which is not enough to secure a majority given that

:15:29. > :15:33.Northern Ireland is out of the frame, Scotland still has a majority

:15:34. > :15:40.of third party MPs, and there are still Liberal Democrats and greens.

:15:41. > :15:48.This now looks like a two party race once again. We have still got much

:15:49. > :15:54.more in the House of Commons than in 1970 which makes a hung parliament

:15:55. > :15:58.much more likely. Meanwhile there weren't that many marginal seats. It

:15:59. > :16:05.is the relative standing of the parties that's crucial. And how do

:16:06. > :16:11.we explain the 10% rise in Labour's share of the vote? There's a lot of

:16:12. > :16:16.anecdotal evidence of a youth Surge, and I'd like to know if we can nail

:16:17. > :16:23.that down, but also the work of the swings too. Some green voters moved

:16:24. > :16:29.into Labour, some Liberal Democrats, even perhaps some Ukip voters moved

:16:30. > :16:33.into Labour, what do we know? I think we can pick up three crucial

:16:34. > :16:37.patterns. The first is a lot of people who at the beginning of the

:16:38. > :16:42.campaign said are usually vote Labour but cannot imagine doing so

:16:43. > :16:46.under Jeremy Corbyn, he so hopeless. Because of his relatively strong

:16:47. > :16:53.performance they came back into the fold so by the time we got to

:16:54. > :16:58.polling day there was many 2015 voters who said they would vote

:16:59. > :17:03.Labour again. That was the crucial point, getting the faithful back on

:17:04. > :17:09.board. It is certainly clear there was a substantial swing to young

:17:10. > :17:13.voters during the campaign. Labour started off well in that group, the

:17:14. > :17:19.opinion polls had it around 65% by the time the election came. We don't

:17:20. > :17:23.know exactly the turnout amongst young people, but certainly the

:17:24. > :17:28.pattern of the results suggests the turnout was going up more in places

:17:29. > :17:32.where there were young people so probably somewhat more of them did

:17:33. > :17:37.turn out to vote. The third crucial patent is that this was an election

:17:38. > :17:43.which to some degree voters did polarise around the issue of the

:17:44. > :17:55.shape of Brexit, weather you are a Remain or Leave voter. Labour's

:17:56. > :17:58.progress during the campaign was disproportionately amongst Remain

:17:59. > :18:04.voters so although the parties were not thought to be that far apart on

:18:05. > :18:07.the shape of Brexit, they seem to be sufficiently far apart that Labour

:18:08. > :18:15.was more attractive for those less keen on the kind of Brexit Theresa

:18:16. > :18:25.May had in mind. John Curtice, thank you as always. We are now going to

:18:26. > :18:32.Salford. Graham Brady, you think Mrs May should soldier on, why? There's

:18:33. > :18:40.no other party in a position to form a government. Clearly these aren't

:18:41. > :18:43.the circumstances that either the Prime Minister nor I nor my

:18:44. > :18:47.colleagues would want to be dealing with at the moment but this is what

:18:48. > :18:54.we are presented with and it's our duty to make the best of it and try

:18:55. > :18:58.to offer government as resilient as it can be an quite difficult times.

:18:59. > :19:03.But is she ever going to be more than a caretaker leader now? I think

:19:04. > :19:07.one of the odd things about the experience of the last 12 months is

:19:08. > :19:11.Theresa May performed well as Prime Minister and the public rather liked

:19:12. > :19:15.her as Prime Minister. I think few people would say the campaign

:19:16. > :19:21.succeeded in projecting her qualities as strongly as it could

:19:22. > :19:25.and should have done. As we return to government, albeit in difficult

:19:26. > :19:30.circumstances and dependent on support from other parties, I think

:19:31. > :19:35.we will see people once again seeing the steady, calm, thoughtful Theresa

:19:36. > :19:40.May as Prime Minister. Do you fear a leadership election might lead to a

:19:41. > :19:46.second general election, and that prospect terrifies you, doesn't it?

:19:47. > :19:50.I'm not sitting here terrified, but I think there is zero appetite

:19:51. > :19:55.amongst the public for another general election at the moment, and

:19:56. > :20:00.I don't detect any great appetite amongst my colleagues for presenting

:20:01. > :20:04.the public with a massive additional dose of uncertainty by getting

:20:05. > :20:09.involved in a rather self-indulgent Conservative Party internal election

:20:10. > :20:16.campaign. That's because they are frightened they might lose, that's

:20:17. > :20:20.why they don't want another one. I think most of us are motivated by a

:20:21. > :20:24.belief in the national interest and we are responsible people who want

:20:25. > :20:28.to try to offer that responsible, steady government, especially at

:20:29. > :20:33.this point as we know it's just a matter of days until those important

:20:34. > :20:36.negotiations on leaving the European Union begins. It's a time when we

:20:37. > :20:43.need experience and responsible people in Government, and I think

:20:44. > :20:46.it's our duty to try to offer that. Many Tories have said to me that Mrs

:20:47. > :20:51.May must never be allowed to leave your party into another general

:20:52. > :20:54.election, do you agree with that? No, these are judgments that will be

:20:55. > :20:59.made in the fullness of time by the Prime Minister and by colleagues, as

:21:00. > :21:03.is always the case with any Prime Minister and leader of the party,

:21:04. > :21:07.but at the moment we are resolutely focused on trying to make sure the

:21:08. > :21:11.country can have the responsible study government that it really

:21:12. > :21:21.needs at this point, and that should be our focus too. In what way should

:21:22. > :21:26.Mrs May change? I think there are all sorts of lessons we can pick up

:21:27. > :21:31.from the campaign and the reaction to it, even from the thing that

:21:32. > :21:35.surprised most of us, the way in which Jeremy Corbyn, in spite of all

:21:36. > :21:41.of his manifest failings, in particular his extreme political

:21:42. > :21:47.views, was able to present himself in a rather avuncular way. I didn't

:21:48. > :21:53.ask about Mr Corbyn. I'm saying I think there are some lessons there,

:21:54. > :21:56.in terms of relaxing little bit into communicating with the electorate.

:21:57. > :22:03.It is something she does very well in person, increasingly so since she

:22:04. > :22:07.became Prime Minister. That's not the experience of the campaign, the

:22:08. > :22:14.more people saw her the more they didn't like the colour of her gym.

:22:15. > :22:18.It didn't communicating the campaign, but also I think we need

:22:19. > :22:22.to see a much more open and inclusive approach within

:22:23. > :22:28.government, within Parliament as well. That's not just a kind of

:22:29. > :22:34.desirable outcome, which I think always would have been desirable and

:22:35. > :22:38.I've had this conversation with previous prime ministers as well.

:22:39. > :22:42.It's a necessity in the circumstances, trying to make a hung

:22:43. > :22:48.parliament and minority government work really requires a much more

:22:49. > :22:53.inclusive approach. You are being brought into the decision taking

:22:54. > :22:58.process on the deal being done with the DUP? I have said to the Prime

:22:59. > :23:03.Minister I think it is important she speaks to colleagues as soon as

:23:04. > :23:11.possible. I'm hoping to bring it forward to tomorrow so she can

:23:12. > :23:16.talk... But are you being involved in this more inclusive process? I am

:23:17. > :23:20.not on a negotiating team but I saw the Prime Minister very early after

:23:21. > :23:23.the election had taken place, I went to London on Friday afternoon and

:23:24. > :23:29.met with her and we had a discussion about all sorts of things that need

:23:30. > :23:32.to be addressed over the coming days and weeks. When Mrs May spoke in

:23:33. > :23:37.Downing Street after she'd gone to see the Queen, it was another

:23:38. > :23:43.robotic performance. It didn't even express any regrets for the Tories

:23:44. > :23:48.that had lost. You had to into being to get her to make a second

:23:49. > :23:54.statement, didn't you? No, she was already going to give the interview

:23:55. > :23:59.she gave. You urged her to do so. She was already scheduled to give

:24:00. > :24:02.the interview. I happen to see her in between the statement and

:24:03. > :24:07.interview, and I was keen to press home that in the past Conservative

:24:08. > :24:11.Party that has been very poor in its communications with colleagues who

:24:12. > :24:15.have lost their seats in the general election, that is something none of

:24:16. > :24:19.my colleagues likes to see so I certainly did say that I think it's

:24:20. > :24:28.important we do better this time. What bits of the manifesto will you

:24:29. > :24:32.now have to jumk for the Queen 's speech? That will be an interesting

:24:33. > :24:39.process to witness. I don't think it will just be the Queen 's speech, it

:24:40. > :24:43.will be the whole experience of government. There's no point in

:24:44. > :24:50.sailing ahead with items that were in the manifesto which we won't get

:24:51. > :24:58.through Parliament so I think we will have to work very carefully. No

:24:59. > :25:06.doubt we will slim down the Queen's speech. So tell me, which bits will

:25:07. > :25:12.you have to junk? Back to the triple lock on pensioners and no grammar

:25:13. > :25:15.schools? How about that? I would be upset if we couldn't make any

:25:16. > :25:22.progress on allowing people to have a choice of grammar schools if they

:25:23. > :25:27.wanted. Are you hoping they will drop it? If we cannot get things

:25:28. > :25:32.through Parliament, we cannot do them so I certainly would suggest

:25:33. > :25:36.that we can look for instance at a rather modest sort of pilots,

:25:37. > :25:41.opening some state grammar schools in inner urban areas, especially

:25:42. > :25:43.where education at the moment is not offering great opportunities to

:25:44. > :25:50.people of lower income backgrounds. I think that is something that could

:25:51. > :25:53.command quite broad support. I have heard from friends on the Labour

:25:54. > :25:59.ventures quietly that they would like that approach to be taken. We

:26:00. > :26:03.will certainly have to trim our policies carefully according to what

:26:04. > :26:10.we think Parliament will support. Graham Brady in Salford, thank you.

:26:11. > :26:14.Let's go to Nottingham where I am joined by Anna Soubry. In the early

:26:15. > :26:20.hours of Thursday morning you called on Theresa May to consider her

:26:21. > :26:25.position. Is that still your view? Yes, she obviously has considered

:26:26. > :26:30.her position and she is set to go in due course, but I very much agree

:26:31. > :26:36.with Graham, we don't want her to go now. We want a period of stability

:26:37. > :26:40.and she has got to reach out and form a consensus and she has got to

:26:41. > :26:45.form a consensus in particular on Brexit. She has now got to make sure

:26:46. > :26:51.she understands that the British people have rejected a hard Brexit.

:26:52. > :26:55.We are leaving the EU, I don't think there's any change there but we are

:26:56. > :26:59.not going to be leaving the EU in some irresponsible weights that will

:27:00. > :27:02.damage future generations in our country and there's a big lesson to

:27:03. > :27:06.be learned as you've already identified in your programme, about

:27:07. > :27:11.younger people and the message they have sent out in this election. I

:27:12. > :27:15.will come onto Brexit in the moment, but you have said she is set to go

:27:16. > :27:24.in due course, what does that mean? I don't know. After the summer,

:27:25. > :27:32.before the end of the year? I would have thought so. She is flawed,

:27:33. > :27:36.she's in a desperate situation. Her position is untenable and I think

:27:37. > :27:40.she knows that and she is doing the right thing, which is she's got rid

:27:41. > :27:44.of these special advisers, she's brought in Gavin Barwell, and she's

:27:45. > :27:48.listening to people from all parts of not just the party but the

:27:49. > :27:53.country. She has got to reach out more and broaden the base within her

:27:54. > :27:57.Cabinet, and she's got to include people from all parts of my party as

:27:58. > :28:03.well as all points of view across Parliament. So what impact in your

:28:04. > :28:10.view will, as you describe it, Mrs May's much more weakened position,

:28:11. > :28:16.what impact will that have on her current Brexit stance? Will she have

:28:17. > :28:22.to change it and water it down? Yes, absolutely. The country did not vote

:28:23. > :28:26.for a hard Brexit. This is based on my experience of having knocked on

:28:27. > :28:30.the literally thousands of dollars, actually since February. I have

:28:31. > :28:39.listened to a lot of people, and the idea of a hard Brexit, people didn't

:28:40. > :28:44.like that. It's one of the reasons we haven't won this election. They

:28:45. > :28:48.accept we are leaving, I accept it, but we want to get the best deal and

:28:49. > :28:53.she must not turn her back on British business as I'm afraid she

:28:54. > :28:57.has. She's got to listen to British business and Philip Hammond, she's

:28:58. > :29:01.got to listen to Greg Clark. Wise owls who know what British business

:29:02. > :29:06.once and they want that single market and they also wanted proper

:29:07. > :29:10.immigration policy that recognises we need immigrants and free movement

:29:11. > :29:16.in order for British business to continue to flourish.

:29:17. > :29:23.She has to at least listen to these things, and she hasn't in the past.

:29:24. > :29:28.Is that what Ruth Davidson, leader of the Scottish Conservatives, about

:29:29. > :29:33.the only Conservative to emerge with credit on Thursday, is that what she

:29:34. > :29:37.means? We should remain members of the single market, remain in the

:29:38. > :29:41.customs union and put the economy before immigration. Is that what you

:29:42. > :29:47.are talking about? Absolutely. And I always have. And in my literature I

:29:48. > :29:51.made it very clear I would continue to make the case for the single

:29:52. > :29:56.market and positive benefits of immigration. Although my majority

:29:57. > :30:01.was reduced, I put on 1800 more votes. It's not about me, obviously,

:30:02. > :30:05.it's about me being a Conservative, but I made my position clear and I

:30:06. > :30:10.have not faulted on that. Turning our back on the customs union in

:30:11. > :30:14.particular is the stuff of madness. The single market sees off the

:30:15. > :30:18.Nationalists and their desire for a second referendum, although the

:30:19. > :30:22.mighty Ruth Davidson is already done that with her remarkable result in

:30:23. > :30:26.Scotland, but it would also solve the problem with Ireland. Don't you

:30:27. > :30:32.risk reopening all those Tory divisions over Europe on this? I

:30:33. > :30:37.haven't. You have held these views for a long time. There are 20 of

:30:38. > :30:44.other, probably more Tories, who want what you call a hard Brexit. --

:30:45. > :30:50.plenty of other. It's what the people want. But you don't have a

:30:51. > :30:53.majority. At this election the people have spoken and they have

:30:54. > :30:58.rejected the hard Brexit. I think we can all agree on that. That doesn't

:30:59. > :31:03.mean to say we are not leaving the EU, we will leave the EU, and I

:31:04. > :31:08.believe even people who voted to remain accept we are leaving. I

:31:09. > :31:14.found very few angry Remainers on the doorsteps. People accept the

:31:15. > :31:18.result, but they do not want a hard Brexit. That's the message coming

:31:19. > :31:22.out from this and I hope Theresa May gets that. If she does, then she has

:31:23. > :31:28.to build the con census. There's nothing to stop her working with

:31:29. > :31:33.sensible people in the Labour Party, who also accept the referendum

:31:34. > :31:37.result, no we will be leaving the EU, and know we have to get the best

:31:38. > :31:41.deal, and we can't close our minds on the single market and Customs

:31:42. > :31:46.union. What are the bits of the Tory manifesto you will now have to drop

:31:47. > :31:50.to keep your new bedfellows happy in the DUP? I don't think we have

:31:51. > :31:56.reached a deal yet with the DUP. But that is the aim. Apparently it's the

:31:57. > :32:01.aim. I will tell you now, Andrew, you probably know far more than I

:32:02. > :32:09.do. I get on well with a number of members of the DUP. I don't like a

:32:10. > :32:13.lot of their policies on abortion, gay and lesbian issues, I completely

:32:14. > :32:18.disagree with them, but if we can put those issues aside and put the

:32:19. > :32:25.focus on making a stable government and putting the national interest

:32:26. > :32:32.first, we might well make strides forward. Many people have been

:32:33. > :32:38.talking about public services and public sector pay, but we have to do

:32:39. > :32:42.recognise that at the same time we are going into choppy economic

:32:43. > :32:47.waters, and that's why I think it's so important Theresa May listens to

:32:48. > :32:50.Philip Hammond and puts him much more at the core and front of this

:32:51. > :32:54.government. It's the economy that matters more than anything else.

:32:55. > :32:59.That's one of the spectacular failings of the campaign. The issue

:33:00. > :33:04.that was hardly mentioned during the campaign. Never mentioned it. Anna

:33:05. > :33:07.Soubry, we will leave it there. After Theresa May had been to see

:33:08. > :33:10.the Queen at Buckingham Palace on Friday she made a brief statement on

:33:11. > :33:15.Friday. We can remind ourselves what she said.

:33:16. > :33:17.We will continue to work with our friends and allies,

:33:18. > :33:19.in the Democratic Unionist Party in particular.

:33:20. > :33:21.Our two parties have enjoyed a strong relationship over many

:33:22. > :33:23.years, and this gives me the confidence to believe

:33:24. > :33:26.that we will be able to work together in the interests

:33:27. > :33:29.This will allow us to come together as a country

:33:30. > :33:35.and channel our energies towards a successful

:33:36. > :33:39.Brexit deal that works for everyone in this country.

:33:40. > :33:43.Securing a new partnership with the EU that guarantees our

:33:44. > :33:48.That's what people voted for last June, that's what we will deliver.

:33:49. > :34:02.I've been joined by the Conservative MP Dominic Raab -

:34:03. > :34:05.a former government minister who's been tipped for a return in Theresa

:34:06. > :34:14.We shall see. Welcome to the programme. Her two most senior

:34:15. > :34:18.advisers have fallen on their swords. Most of the Cabinet has gone

:34:19. > :34:23.to ground since the result. Could Theresa May be any more isolated? I

:34:24. > :34:25.don't think that's true. You have three Cabinet ministers doing

:34:26. > :34:29.television this morning. We are in the middle of a reshuffle, so you

:34:30. > :34:33.wouldn't expect them all to be out on the airwaves, and we also in the

:34:34. > :34:37.business of hammering out the detail on the supply and confidence

:34:38. > :34:43.arrangement with the DUP. Where are we on that? On the question of Chief

:34:44. > :34:47.of staff, a new appointment has been made, Gavin Barwell, I know him

:34:48. > :34:50.well, a smart policy guide and also very sensitive on the political

:34:51. > :34:57.radar and that shows we are moving forward. It was forced on her. I

:34:58. > :35:04.think they did the honourable thing. The two aids that fell on their

:35:05. > :35:07.sword? Yes. The key point is, looking forward, which we have to

:35:08. > :35:11.do, we had the outcome of the election and the people have spoken

:35:12. > :35:17.and we have to make the best of it. Gavin Barwell is an important

:35:18. > :35:20.appointment. Conservative MPs across-the-board know, respect and

:35:21. > :35:25.trust him. Nobody in the country has heard of him, but maybe that doesn't

:35:26. > :35:30.matter. How many had heard of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill before they

:35:31. > :35:33.were appointed? They do now. Do you agree with Anna Soubry that Theresa

:35:34. > :35:40.May is no more than a caretaker Prime Minister now? I don't.

:35:41. > :35:44.Emotions are way up. But we still won the most votes and most seats.

:35:45. > :35:50.My reading from talking to MPs across-the-board is the overwhelming

:35:51. > :35:53.majority want to see Theresa May continue in office. As a matter of

:35:54. > :35:57.necessity, the people have spoken, and we have to respect what the

:35:58. > :36:01.people have decided, so we will do this supply and confidence

:36:02. > :36:03.arrangement with the DUP. There are strong areas of overlap but we don't

:36:04. > :36:07.agree on everything. The key thing is to give the country certainty and

:36:08. > :36:11.direction moving forward. That's the only viable option and people are

:36:12. > :36:15.rallying behind that. Not all. George Osborne said this morning on

:36:16. > :36:25.the BBC that Mrs May was a dead woman walking. He has made the

:36:26. > :36:28.transition from Conservative MP to mischievous journalist with ease.

:36:29. > :36:32.Most MPs when they listen to that will think it's disloyal,

:36:33. > :36:35.unprofessional and frankly pretty self-indulgent. In reality I think

:36:36. > :36:42.it will shore up support among a lot of MPs for Theresa May. What went

:36:43. > :36:45.wrong? I'm not going to candy coat, sugar-coat the result here. We did

:36:46. > :36:54.far worse than expected and we need to figure out the lessons to learn.

:36:55. > :36:57.I know it went wrong, but why? There isn't anyone thing. You have to take

:36:58. > :37:01.time to learn the lessons. We need to show some humility about the

:37:02. > :37:04.result. Nick Timothy has written a column that touches on some of the

:37:05. > :37:08.issues from his perspective. To be honest with you, I'm focused now, I

:37:09. > :37:12.missed all the drama and disappointment of not getting the

:37:13. > :37:17.result we wanted, focus on the facts. We got 56 more seats than the

:37:18. > :37:20.Labour Party and we are the only ones who can put together a

:37:21. > :37:24.legitimate parliament that can also be affected, passing a judgment and

:37:25. > :37:29.pass legislation, however tricky it may be. That remains to be seen, you

:37:30. > :37:33.might not be able to do that. We are the only ones, with the DUP, who

:37:34. > :37:35.could form a viable and effective government that would reflect

:37:36. > :37:42.legitimately the outcome of the election and we will focus 100% on

:37:43. > :37:44.that. Let's do that. Mrs May promised strength and stability. We

:37:45. > :37:50.now have a hung parliament and she is dependent on the DUP for the

:37:51. > :37:55.slimmest of majorities. There is nothing strong and stable about

:37:56. > :37:59.that. I have said to you, I will not tell you this result is the one we

:38:00. > :38:02.wanted. We are disappointed. It's not strong and stable. It can still

:38:03. > :38:07.be effective. It's also the only outcome that can respect and be

:38:08. > :38:10.legitimate of the outcome of the election. At the end of the day, we

:38:11. > :38:14.had campaigning, we can differ on the opinions, but the facts and

:38:15. > :38:18.parliamentary arithmetic is there. The only way we can have an

:38:19. > :38:20.effective government of any time that Del Paso budget is the

:38:21. > :38:25.Conservatives with the support of the DUP. To do that you'll have to

:38:26. > :38:29.make compromises you would not have to do make if you had won a

:38:30. > :38:33.substantial majority. What part of the manifesto will have to go to get

:38:34. > :38:37.a budget and a confidence motion through? 48 hours after the election

:38:38. > :38:42.I can't answer that definitively. What we do have to do, every MP,

:38:43. > :38:47.whatever part of the country they were elected, has to deliver as best

:38:48. > :38:51.can be manifesto commitments. At the same time, that's what the country

:38:52. > :38:55.expects. At the same time we had forced on us the need to be

:38:56. > :38:58.flexible. The people didn't vote for your manifesto in the end. Something

:38:59. > :39:02.has to go. The triple lock for pensioners that you were going to

:39:03. > :39:08.change, the DUP is in favour of the triple lock. Does that bit of the

:39:09. > :39:12.manifesto go? You can ask me any aspect of the manifesto, we'll know

:39:13. > :39:16.more answers the detail next week. You were on our programmes more than

:39:17. > :39:21.any Cabinet minister. You will be drafted back in. You should know. I

:39:22. > :39:27.don't bet too much money on the tittle tattle in the media. We have

:39:28. > :39:31.the outline of the supply and confidence arrangement with the DUP.

:39:32. > :39:37.We are hammering out the details. Next week we will publish the

:39:38. > :39:41.details. What about social care? You asking me about different points in

:39:42. > :39:45.a manifesto but you know I can't answer that question until... I want

:39:46. > :39:50.to deliver as much of the manifesto as possible. You don't have a

:39:51. > :39:54.mandate to do that. That's because we've got... The Queen's speech is

:39:55. > :40:01.only a week away, a week tomorrow. You are trying to work out what

:40:02. > :40:05.parts, Labour lost, but you didn't win, and I'm trying to work out how

:40:06. > :40:09.you just said we will have to comprise and make changes. It's

:40:10. > :40:13.legitimate to ask which parts... I'm explaining I don't have the answers

:40:14. > :40:16.on the detail because until we have formed the supply and confidence

:40:17. > :40:20.arrangement with the DUP, we will not have those details. My starting

:40:21. > :40:23.point is that we deliver as much of the manifesto as we conceivably can.

:40:24. > :40:28.That's what the country expects because that's what they are elected

:40:29. > :40:31.us to do. They have given us their verdict, we need to respect the

:40:32. > :40:34.outcome of the election and we will not do it in the same way will as if

:40:35. > :40:40.we had a stonking majority, obviously. The result has given a

:40:41. > :40:45.kind of new spring in the step of politicians who wanted to remain in

:40:46. > :40:49.the European Union. What do you make, and we heard Anna Soubry, and

:40:50. > :40:54.many others have said it as well, that you need to reconsider your

:40:55. > :40:59.Brexit stands, and in their language community soften your Brexit stands.

:41:00. > :41:02.Whether you are a Scottish, Welsh or English MP, elected to Parliament

:41:03. > :41:07.behind me on the basis of a manifesto that sets out in great

:41:08. > :41:11.detail, a 75 page white Paper, the approach to Brexit. All this talk of

:41:12. > :41:18.hard Brexit, our ambition is to get the best possible deal we can with

:41:19. > :41:21.our EU partners. Do you change your stands because you didn't get a

:41:22. > :41:25.majority for your Brexit position. Do you follow the advice of Ruth

:41:26. > :41:29.Davidson, who talked of an open Brexit, framing a new Brexit

:41:30. > :41:34.strategy? Hard and soft Brexit, I don't know exactly what Ruth means

:41:35. > :41:39.by that. But she did a great job in Scotland. But every MP was elected

:41:40. > :41:43.on our manifesto. We will deliver the plans of that manifesto as best

:41:44. > :41:50.we can, including and especially on Brexit. Just a point of fact,

:41:51. > :41:55.obviously be Conservative number of votes went up, Labour effectively...

:41:56. > :41:59.The vote share went up, but we lost seats, but we are 56 seats ahead of

:42:00. > :42:02.the Labour Party. The Labour Party effectively endorsed the leave the

:42:03. > :42:10.EU strategy we set out and they didn't offer a alternative. So no

:42:11. > :42:14.change on the Brexit strategy? And the anti-Brexit parties, the SNP and

:42:15. > :42:17.Lib Dem, both suffered a fall in their vote share. The country has

:42:18. > :42:23.said they want us to make a success of Brexit. So no change? The plans

:42:24. > :42:27.in the White Paper set out are the right ones and the voters expect us

:42:28. > :42:33.to deliver on the manifesto we ran on, whether you are a Scottish,

:42:34. > :42:37.English or Welsh MP. I can hear your helicopter arriving to whisk you off

:42:38. > :42:41.to the wry ministerial meeting. Let us know what job you get. Viewers in

:42:42. > :42:44.Scotland will leave us for Sunday Politics Scotland now. Jeremy

:42:45. > :42:47.Corbyn... Jeremy Corbyn may have

:42:48. > :42:49.lost the election, but he's clearly cock-a-hoop

:42:50. > :42:51.with the big increase in Labour's share of the vote and

:42:52. > :42:53.the nmber of Labour On Friday he called

:42:54. > :42:57.on Theresa May to resign, and said he was ready to govern

:42:58. > :43:02.the country as a minority Speaking this morning, the Labour

:43:03. > :43:08.leader said he thought there could be another election in the near

:43:09. > :43:11.future. I think it's quite possible that there will be an election later

:43:12. > :43:16.this year or early next year. And that might be a good thing, because

:43:17. > :43:20.we cannot go on with a period of great instability. We have a

:43:21. > :43:24.programme, we have the support, and we are ready to fight another

:43:25. > :43:28.election campaign as soon as may be because you want to be able to serve

:43:29. > :43:32.the people of this country on the agenda we put forward, which is

:43:33. > :43:38.transformative, and has gained amazing levels of support. People

:43:39. > :43:42.say, hang on, why are my children worse off than we are, why are my

:43:43. > :43:46.grandchildren? This election wasn't just about Brexit, there was

:43:47. > :43:47.something different about it. It was challenging the economic consensus

:43:48. > :43:51.that has impoverished Sony people. The Labour

:43:52. > :43:53.leader speaking earlier this morning.

:43:54. > :43:59.We've been joined by the Shadow Health Secretary, Jon Ashworth.

:44:00. > :44:06.A lot of Labour people have been behaving as if you have won this

:44:07. > :44:11.election, can I point out you have lost three in a row?

:44:12. > :44:21.Yes, but undoubtedly momentum is with us, and momentum is important

:44:22. > :44:25.in politics. It looks like they got the young vote out and that's why

:44:26. > :44:31.you did better-than-expected. The young vote certainly came out for

:44:32. > :44:35.Labour. I found on my part of the world Tory voters switching to

:44:36. > :44:42.Labour over things like the dementia tax, but I also think Ukip

:44:43. > :44:49.supporters voted heavily for Labour because we wanted to invest heavily

:44:50. > :44:53.in the NHS and schools, and people are fed up of cuts to public

:44:54. > :45:00.services and the austerity agenda. So it was a good manifesto? You were

:45:01. > :45:05.happy with it? Yes, I was part of putting it together. You would be

:45:06. > :45:10.happy to fight another election based on that manifesto? Yes, I put

:45:11. > :45:15.together the health section of that manifesto, which gives nurses and

:45:16. > :45:20.midwives of the pay rise, I'm very happy with that manifesto. And yet,

:45:21. > :45:25.you have this manifesto you were happy with, you will rub against a

:45:26. > :45:28.Prime Minister who wanted to fight a personality led presidential

:45:29. > :45:32.campaign, it then turned out the British people didn't think she had

:45:33. > :45:37.much personality and wasn't presidential in nature. You had

:45:38. > :45:45.momentum and you ended up winning no more seats than Gordon Brown in the

:45:46. > :45:49.collection of 2010. Given where we were seven weeks ago, I looked at

:45:50. > :45:55.the opinion polls and thought crikey, this could not be a good

:45:56. > :45:58.result for Labour potentially. Theresa May thought she would have a

:45:59. > :46:04.landslide victory and that's why she put her party first in going for

:46:05. > :46:07.this snap election, and undoubtedly this campaign changed things. I

:46:08. > :46:12.think the key moment was the manifesto week when the Labour Party

:46:13. > :46:17.but forward proposed policies to the country which excited many people,

:46:18. > :46:20.and the Tory party came forward with the dementia tax, getting rid of the

:46:21. > :46:26.winter fuel payment, I think that was a turning point in the election.

:46:27. > :46:31.What does Mr Corbyn do now? When I spoke to Ken Livingstone on Friday

:46:32. > :46:36.he said we did so well on a socialist manifesto, we need more of

:46:37. > :46:41.this. We need more socialism and we will do even better. Is that the

:46:42. > :46:46.lesson Jeremy Corbyn will take or try to reach out more to the centre

:46:47. > :46:51.of his party, now his position is unassailable does he try to reach

:46:52. > :46:55.out beyond his own group? I think there is broad unity and the whole

:46:56. > :46:59.party will come together to take on the Conservatives, who now have a

:47:00. > :47:09.huge problem in Parliament. They can only offer a weak and unstable

:47:10. > :47:12.government. She's trying to cobble together this supply and confidence

:47:13. > :47:16.agreement with the DUP which means all of the decisions in Parliament

:47:17. > :47:26.will be taken on a case-by-case basis. It isn't just the votes on

:47:27. > :47:29.the floor of the House, all of is the statutory instruments will rely

:47:30. > :47:34.on the support of the DUP. She will not be able to guarantee she can get

:47:35. > :47:37.her programme through. We are likely to sue the Government collapse or

:47:38. > :47:41.have a zombie Parliament where we are not debating and voting on

:47:42. > :47:45.legislation because she knows she cannot get it through. If that's the

:47:46. > :47:50.case, even if she puts together a deal with the DUP and it gets off

:47:51. > :47:54.the ground but runs into the kind of difficulties you quite rightly say

:47:55. > :48:00.are possible, and she cannot continue, should Mr Corbyn try to

:48:01. > :48:03.form a minority government? I think so, I think we should try to put our

:48:04. > :48:11.programme of getting rid of tuition fees, investing in the NHS, and ask

:48:12. > :48:13.the other parties to support us. I'm anticipating your next question

:48:14. > :48:18.which is what happens if that doesn't work, well then we are

:48:19. > :48:21.probably heading to another general election at some point. I cannot

:48:22. > :48:25.seem Theresa May surviving as the Prime Minister for the rest of this

:48:26. > :48:31.Parliament for another five days to be frank but who knows. It's likely

:48:32. > :48:35.that you think Mrs May cannot make this work, she can start to make it

:48:36. > :48:39.work but as time goes on it could become more difficult, that Labour

:48:40. > :48:42.could try to form a minority government but given that the

:48:43. > :48:50.Parliamentary arithmetic is not great for her, it is much worse for

:48:51. > :48:59.you, that it may not work? Yes, but you have a responsibility to try and

:49:00. > :49:02.to challenge the other parties to support us honour policies of

:49:03. > :49:08.investing in the NHS, investing in childcare, so that will be a

:49:09. > :49:11.challenge for us but if the Conservatives cannot form a

:49:12. > :49:16.government we would have to take up that responsibility. John McDonnell,

:49:17. > :49:20.the Shadow Chancellor, said to me during the campaign there would be

:49:21. > :49:35.no deals. You don't have to have deals. As I said to him, we have all

:49:36. > :49:39.seen Borgen! They require deals, you have got to give them something. But

:49:40. > :49:47.when you have an minority government, challenging MPs on the

:49:48. > :49:51.other side to support new... My voters in Leicester South were not

:49:52. > :49:54.invited to make a judgment on the DUP manifesto and yet we could have

:49:55. > :49:59.a Conservative government propped up by the time being by the DUP, even

:50:00. > :50:08.though that will have a huge impact on the peace process. I think it is

:50:09. > :50:11.a different arrangement. A minority Labour government wouldn't

:50:12. > :50:17.necessarily rule out getting support from the DUP, they might need it? If

:50:18. > :50:22.they vote for us, everyone will see it because it will be transparent in

:50:23. > :50:26.the way they vote. It does seem we are in for a period of instability

:50:27. > :50:30.in British politics, that is the outcome of this election, and

:50:31. > :50:35.usually when that happens it leads to a second election quite quickly.

:50:36. > :50:39.It could lead to that, and it is ironic given the Tories promised a

:50:40. > :50:43.strong and stable government, and the chaos she warned of is actually

:50:44. > :50:49.chaos in the Tory party, but look at the number of seats in play at the

:50:50. > :50:52.next election now. It will be a Labour Tory stand-off and as a whole

:50:53. > :50:58.range of seats now with Tory majorities of a few hundred which

:50:59. > :51:02.Labour is targeting. Seats which based on the 2015 result we didn't

:51:03. > :51:06.think we could win. And Scotland is in play for Labour again, and it is

:51:07. > :51:12.Scottish MPs sustaining Theresa May in Government at the moment. The

:51:13. > :51:18.message in Scotland will be, if you want a Labour government, both

:51:19. > :51:19.Labour. I bet you never thought you would say that, but let's leave it

:51:20. > :51:24.there. It's just gone 10:50am,

:51:25. > :51:26.you're watching the Sunday Politics. We say goodbye to viewers in Wales

:51:27. > :51:29.and Northern Ireland. Coming up here in twenty

:51:30. > :51:31.minutes, the Week Ahead. First though, the Sunday

:51:32. > :51:40.Politics where you are. Raking over the coals with me,

:51:41. > :51:46.two freshly mandated Greg Hands for the Conservatives -

:51:47. > :51:52.he comfortably held the seat And Labour's Meg Hillier,

:51:53. > :52:01.who has secured another term in Hackney South and Shoreditch,

:52:02. > :52:11.scraping home with You must be disappointed you didn't

:52:12. > :52:15.get to a tee. It's a huge responsibility to have that but it's

:52:16. > :52:19.been a great election for Labour, it's not quite got us into

:52:20. > :52:24.government and that's the next challenge. Theresa May asked the

:52:25. > :52:29.country to trust her and the country gave her hands down. What went

:52:30. > :52:34.wrong? Labour have lost three elections in a row, they have no

:52:35. > :52:38.more seats than Gordon Brown won in 2010 but clearly it's a

:52:39. > :52:43.disappointing result for us. We did have some good results in London,

:52:44. > :52:47.some of my colleagues bucked the trend. I think we should have done

:52:48. > :52:53.better and I'm disappointed, but we are still the largest party, Theresa

:52:54. > :52:56.May will carry on as Prime Minister, we will carry on in Government

:52:57. > :53:02.continuing to deliver for the British people. What you think went

:53:03. > :53:10.wrong? The election was very long, it was a long campaign. Going for a

:53:11. > :53:13.start election and then having a seven and a half week campaign --

:53:14. > :53:20.going for a snap election. He just got worse as every week went by? It

:53:21. > :53:25.just felt like a long campaign, and a long campaign opens up things that

:53:26. > :53:34.might not have always happened. It gives people an chance to look at

:53:35. > :53:41.your leader and policies? No, but clearly the election was going to be

:53:42. > :53:45.dominated by Brexit and the economy, and ultimately security. I think we

:53:46. > :53:49.underplayed the economy and didn't really remind people of the economic

:53:50. > :53:56.record we had, and also some of the basic facts of the economy that were

:53:57. > :54:01.still running a budget deficit of ?57 billion. There isn't a lot of

:54:02. > :54:05.money available for the sort of things Jeremy Corbyn was offering in

:54:06. > :54:10.a non-clustered weights. What went right, was it because you provided

:54:11. > :54:13.these goodies? The manifesto did help but people were fed up with

:54:14. > :54:18.austerity. They thought there's another way to do this, and what

:54:19. > :54:22.Labour showed once there's hope for a different kind of government and

:54:23. > :54:27.austerity just for the sake of it as a policy, there is no hope at the

:54:28. > :54:31.end of the austerity tunnel and Labour was offering a real

:54:32. > :54:34.alternative, and also a lot of young voters came our way. Let's look at

:54:35. > :54:40.what happened in more detail. RETURNING OFFICER:

:54:41. > :54:44.The Labour Party, 34,000... Sheer disbelief, spontaneous dancing

:54:45. > :54:48.and even tears of joy. Just six weeks ago,

:54:49. > :54:50.Labour were preparing But as Thursday night went on,

:54:51. > :54:53.it was win after win. The first big surprise

:54:54. > :54:55.was in Battersea, where they managed to unseat

:54:56. > :54:57.government minister Jane Ellison. Last week, one of the few opinion

:54:58. > :55:00.polling companies who predicted a hung parliament said Labour

:55:01. > :55:03.would win Battersea, and it was met including by people in the Labour

:55:04. > :55:06.Party. But the dire warnings

:55:07. > :55:09.from many of the party's MPs, that under Jeremy Corbyn

:55:10. > :55:12.they would be doomed, at least in London they looked

:55:13. > :55:14.far out indeed. They won 55% of the vote and two

:55:15. > :55:17.thirds of all seats. Less than a year ago,

:55:18. > :55:20.the mayor was one of those He wasn't in the mood for talking

:55:21. > :55:27.on Thursday, and indeed, it could be that his reputation

:55:28. > :55:30.of being a special type Last year, when Sadiq Khan won,

:55:31. > :55:36.it looked as if Sadiq Khan Now we see that the Labour Party

:55:37. > :55:43.as a whole, and also 20 of so perhaps Sadiq Khan's magic,

:55:44. > :55:48.as it was seen last year, is just Labour magic that has

:55:49. > :55:53.rubbed off on the mayor. I'd like to say thank

:55:54. > :55:58.you to my family, my mum... That big Labour turnout was also

:55:59. > :56:02.on display in Croydon Central where the Conservatives lost

:56:03. > :56:08.Minister for London Gavin Barwell. We actually got more

:56:09. > :56:09.votes than last time. The Labour Party did an amazing job

:56:10. > :56:12.of turning people out. Turnout was well up and they turned

:56:13. > :56:16.out a whole load of voters that In 2015 you would knock on the door

:56:17. > :56:20.and a young person would come to the door and they would say,

:56:21. > :56:22.I'll get my mum. This time, someone would come

:56:23. > :56:27.to the door and say, I don't know how I'm voting,

:56:28. > :56:30.but my son is voting Labour. Once upon a time, London

:56:31. > :56:33.was a swing city - it voted much like the rest

:56:34. > :56:35.of the country did. But for the last 25 years,

:56:36. > :56:38.the Labour vote here has got stronger and stronger,

:56:39. > :56:40.to the point where in this general election, the party almost

:56:41. > :56:45.dominates the capital. Perhaps clues might be found

:56:46. > :56:51.in what's probably the most surprising result of this

:56:52. > :56:53.astonishing election, The seat with the highest

:56:54. > :57:03.average salary in UK, coming in it at over

:57:04. > :57:06.?140,000 a year. I know people here,

:57:07. > :57:10.they vote for social value and their morals,

:57:11. > :57:13.values, whatever you want to say, In a lot of this constituency,

:57:14. > :57:23.that's what they think about. How do we keep our neighbourhoods

:57:24. > :57:25.together, and so on. But this seat is so associated

:57:26. > :57:29.with a certain type of Conservative that David Cameron and his closest

:57:30. > :57:31.allies were even nicknamed So when the Conservative Party

:57:32. > :57:35.replaced the Notting Hill Set with Theresa May, could it be

:57:36. > :57:38.they also lost a kind This might not be the most normal

:57:39. > :57:42.place in the city by any stretch, but the fact David Cameron

:57:43. > :57:45.and George Osborne at least lived here, well, does that mean

:57:46. > :57:47.they understood London in a way that Theresa May

:57:48. > :57:51.never quite did? Or could it be that whoever

:57:52. > :57:54.is in charge, the Conservative brand David Cameron still comes down

:57:55. > :58:01.this street for coffee. He is not necessarily

:58:02. > :58:06.warmly welcomed, actually, because of the mess he brought

:58:07. > :58:08.with the vanity project The Conservatives, though, were

:58:09. > :58:12.celebrating their success in London. The Conservatives last won

:58:13. > :58:14.a majority in London in 1992, If they ever want to win

:58:15. > :58:19.a comfortable majority in the country, let alone

:58:20. > :58:22.a landslide, they will have to find a way to win back what's now,

:58:23. > :58:34.more than ever, a Labour city. Greg Hands, Notting Hill's George

:58:35. > :58:38.Osborne said this morning, and you will have seen and heard it, that

:58:39. > :58:46.Theresa May is a dead woman walking. Do you agree? I don't. She'll carry

:58:47. > :58:51.on as Prime Minister. I believe she has the support of Conservative MPs.

:58:52. > :58:55.We need her as Prime Minister to go forward from here with Brexit talks

:58:56. > :59:00.starting a week tomorrow. We have to make sure we have a steady

:59:01. > :59:05.government in place. Your close colleague, you saw him in a lift not

:59:06. > :59:09.so long ago. George is now doing a different job. He is editor of the

:59:10. > :59:13.London Evening Standard and will give his view, to which he is

:59:14. > :59:17.perfectly entitled, but not necessarily one with which I agree.

:59:18. > :59:21.Your party asked Londoners to consider this as a question of

:59:22. > :59:25.leadership. That was the basis of the whole campaign. What do you

:59:26. > :59:29.make, and what do you say about her now and her style of leadership,

:59:30. > :59:37.given that Londoners certainly, and the country to an extent, have given

:59:38. > :59:39.a negative verdict. The Conservatives are still the largest

:59:40. > :59:42.party. It was a disappointment, but we still won the general election

:59:43. > :59:46.and is Theresa May is leader of the largest party in a House of Commons.

:59:47. > :59:50.It's quite normal for her to carry on as Prime Minister and form her

:59:51. > :59:54.government. I hope there will be a couple of changes. Our message on

:59:55. > :59:58.the economy needs to be stronger. We need to keep repeating our great

:59:59. > :00:02.economic successes of the last seven years and make sure we continue to

:00:03. > :00:05.keep pointing out to the British people that the job isn't yet

:00:06. > :00:10.finished. We have a budget deficit in this country. We have to do a lot

:00:11. > :00:14.more to help working people. There are 3 million more working people in

:00:15. > :00:19.the country than there were in 2010. That's the sort of thing we need to

:00:20. > :00:22.emphasise going forward. Meg Hillier, are you ready to form a

:00:23. > :00:26.government? We relish the chance to do it, but we can't do it with the

:00:27. > :00:33.numbers right now. We need another election. Epic Theresa May is

:00:34. > :00:37.dented. The idea that they are united behind her, the airwaves have

:00:38. > :00:47.been full of messages saying that they are fragmented behind her. Do

:00:48. > :00:52.you say that you think there will be a leadership contest? Who can tell.

:00:53. > :00:56.What would you like to see? You are not in a position now. We would be

:00:57. > :01:00.ready any time. But realistically from what Greg is saying and some of

:01:01. > :01:04.the mood music coming out from the Tory Central office, they are

:01:05. > :01:08.clearly trying to keep her in post until they decide what they will do.

:01:09. > :01:14.Two out of three general elections, the Conservatives have been in and

:01:15. > :01:18.not won. You didn't win in 2010 and didn't win this time. You are in

:01:19. > :01:22.government but you didn't actually win. But laid-back has lost the

:01:23. > :01:33.elections. You are the largest party, but in London, 42 seats with

:01:34. > :01:38.majorities over 15,000. The other 15, more than 10,000. There are

:01:39. > :01:42.virtually no marginals left. Your brand is toxic in the capital. I

:01:43. > :01:46.don't agree with that. We need to look at why we didn't perform well

:01:47. > :01:52.in London. For the third election in a row London is the worst performing

:01:53. > :01:56.region. You were involved in a campaign. You are well plugged in.

:01:57. > :02:02.What were the answers and why didn't you do it this time? I don't think

:02:03. > :02:07.our message was properly attuned to London will stop if Jeremy Corbyn

:02:08. > :02:10.had become Prime Minister, and thankfully he isn't, if he had

:02:11. > :02:17.become Prime Minister, London would have been punished the most, with

:02:18. > :02:26.higher taxes and job losses. It would have been dreadful economic

:02:27. > :02:31.news. What was responsible and who was responsible for the message is

:02:32. > :02:35.not being ideal and out of there? It is no point looking backwards?

:02:36. > :02:38.That's exactly what this programme is about. The Prime Minister's two

:02:39. > :02:43.chiefs of staff have resigned yesterday. Is it their fault, two

:02:44. > :02:47.unelected special advisers? I'm not saying that, but we need to go

:02:48. > :02:51.forward from here and try to find a better message for London that will

:02:52. > :02:56.resonate right across. We did get good results in London. I mentioned

:02:57. > :03:04.particular parts earlier. We want to try to dig deeper and understand,

:03:05. > :03:09.read the ruins about places like Putney, Justine Greening was very

:03:10. > :03:15.narrow, only won through by 1500 votes. She did have a majority

:03:16. > :03:18.10,000. What's going on? We need to look at our campaigning, our

:03:19. > :03:22.messaging, and remind people of the good achievements of the

:03:23. > :03:28.Conservative government and economic threat posed by... Checking on one

:03:29. > :03:35.factor you, Lynton Crosby, do you blame him for the approach. In a

:03:36. > :03:37.sense it was very controlled. We never saw any seedier Conservative

:03:38. > :03:42.people like you out there in the campaign. I worked very hard in a

:03:43. > :03:47.number of constituencies. I was not only in Chelsea and Fulham, but

:03:48. > :03:51.Brentford and Ealing, and other places that were disappointing for

:03:52. > :03:54.us. I'm not in the business of blaming individuals, but we need to

:03:55. > :03:58.look at our message for London as a whole. We need to have a good offer

:03:59. > :04:03.on the economy and need to think about some of the issues that are

:04:04. > :04:08.particular to London. The private rented sector, housing, where I

:04:09. > :04:13.think we had good policies. Meg Hillier, what do you say to those

:04:14. > :04:19.MPs who are now sitting, Labour MPs, with quite nice majorities, Wes

:04:20. > :04:23.Streeting, Neal Coyle, and there are others, but who are so busy Fritz

:04:24. > :04:30.Lee critical of Jeremy Corbyn. -- who are so vociferously critical.

:04:31. > :04:35.Anybody who thought Jeremy couldn't manage on a campaign trail was

:04:36. > :04:39.wrong. Anybody who knew Jeremy, and I have thrown in for 25 years,

:04:40. > :04:43.wouldn't doubt his ability to connect on the doorstep, he has the

:04:44. > :04:50.common touch, to use an old-fashioned phrase. I think

:04:51. > :04:54.everybody acknowledges Jeremy, on a seven and a half week campaign

:04:55. > :04:57.trail, people got to see the real person, not the wooden arrangement

:04:58. > :05:02.we have in a House of Commons where we have these fixed set piece

:05:03. > :05:05.setups. What should happen to MPs like that if they continue this kind

:05:06. > :05:12.of strategy over the next few months? There have always been

:05:13. > :05:17.disagreements in all our parties between backbenchers and the leader.

:05:18. > :05:24.Jeremy himself voted more than 500 times against the leadership. We are

:05:25. > :05:28.a broad. It's not personal. As some people suggest. It's about different

:05:29. > :05:32.peoples points of view. It important now we have a wide discussion about

:05:33. > :05:36.what worked, why we didn't get over the line to get into government, and

:05:37. > :05:41.what we need to do if we think there is an election coming soon. What if

:05:42. > :05:45.we saw a similar of dissent again? I didn't say that. I think we need to

:05:46. > :05:50.have an open and proper discussion, not clamping down. When Jeremy was

:05:51. > :05:54.elected, I was speaking to the BBC at a time, and they asked what was

:05:55. > :05:57.good about this. He has stopped clamping down on dissent and he

:05:58. > :06:01.wants to have an open debate. We haven't had much time for that in

:06:02. > :06:04.last couple of years, with what has happened, but we should do that now

:06:05. > :06:12.and fairly fast because there could be election. We will move on. One of

:06:13. > :06:13.the key issues was the issue of Brexit.

:06:14. > :06:16.London was asked again about the decision to leave the EU.

:06:17. > :06:20.From Battersea to Barnet, there was a Brexit backlash -

:06:21. > :06:25.In politics, you don't need a death to have an inquest.

:06:26. > :06:27.London's vote in the so-called Brexit election saw Brexiteers

:06:28. > :06:34.There is clearly evidence of a Brexit effect in this election.

:06:35. > :06:38.In some places a kind of Remainers revenge,

:06:39. > :06:42.where the vote shift between the Conservatives and Labour

:06:43. > :06:47.obviously means people have looked at Brexit and thought,

:06:48. > :06:49."Even if we don't like Jeremy Corbyn, we're going to vote

:06:50. > :06:52.Labour for a softer version of Brexit as a way of

:06:53. > :06:57.delivering a message about what happened last year."

:06:58. > :07:01.But in the immediate aftermath, has that message got

:07:02. > :07:04.through to the party who, though depleted, are still in power?

:07:05. > :07:07.Are you not reading this, as many people are, as a total

:07:08. > :07:12.The way to reject Brexit in the general election was very clear.

:07:13. > :07:15.We had the Liberal Democrats saying vote for us and we will unscramble

:07:16. > :07:17.Brexit and give you a vote to change your mind,

:07:18. > :07:23.And I would urge the Labour party, who also campaigned on the idea

:07:24. > :07:28.and wanting a free trade arrangement with our partners in Europe,

:07:29. > :07:31.to get behind the Prime Minister when she's negotiating in Brussels.

:07:32. > :07:34.But one senior Lib Dem told me the Government should now heed

:07:35. > :07:36.the warning the electorate have sent about their plans for

:07:37. > :07:41.First of all in London, people were furious that

:07:42. > :07:45.Theresa May's approach wasn't to say, "I'm going to reach

:07:46. > :07:48.across now to Remainers and bring the country together."

:07:49. > :07:52.It was, "Remain people, you need to sit back and be silent,

:07:53. > :07:56.and in fact the only patriotic thing you can do is to give me a mandate

:07:57. > :07:59.to do whatever it is I choose to do, and I'm not even going to

:08:00. > :08:02.discuss it with you and tell you what the details

:08:03. > :08:05.are going to be or how it's going to impact our lives."

:08:06. > :08:07.I think that made people in this city exceedingly angry.

:08:08. > :08:11.While Labour say the PM's Brexit position is now untenable.

:08:12. > :08:13.Someone dies, someone's ill, someone falls over,

:08:14. > :08:19.And for all of those reasons, this next period is going to be

:08:20. > :08:22.very rocky, I think, in British politics,

:08:23. > :08:26.but I think we are seeing goodbye to a hard Brexit.

:08:27. > :08:28.And some Tories admit cross-party co-operation

:08:29. > :08:35.I think it means we will have to work with colleagues

:08:36. > :08:37.in Parliament to deliver a sustainable and workable Brexit.

:08:38. > :08:43.The reason for our agreeing to work with the DUP

:08:44. > :08:46.is to give that stability, and that's important for business

:08:47. > :08:49.and so that our European partners know who they are negotiating with.

:08:50. > :08:52.There's even a sense of regret for Labour at what might have been,

:08:53. > :08:59.Look, if we'd had greater belief, we could have done it actually.

:09:00. > :09:01.We could've got the numbers, and we could be forming

:09:02. > :09:07.So, absolutely the Labour Party now has to remain completely united.

:09:08. > :09:10.We could have a general election at any time.

:09:11. > :09:14.And with this result taking so many of us by surprise,

:09:15. > :09:20.it could well be more long nights ahead.

:09:21. > :09:26.Greg Hands come help us on this. The figures were quite staggering where

:09:27. > :09:30.the votes piled up for Labour candidates. People like Theresa

:09:31. > :09:35.Villiers in Chipping Barnet, winning by 325 after having a 9000 majority.

:09:36. > :09:40.She only just hung on. What were people saying about Brexit and what

:09:41. > :09:45.you have got wrong about the presentation of the world of Brexit?

:09:46. > :09:49.A lot depended on which part of London you were in. You mention

:09:50. > :09:54.Theresa Villiers in Chipping Barnet, but just next door... Let's focus on

:09:55. > :09:59.those areas, rather than the exceptions, the broader areas. Two

:10:00. > :10:06.of the three Barnet seats were quite good for us. London has a very

:10:07. > :10:11.diverse population and diverse set of constituencies. In my

:10:12. > :10:15.constituency Brexit was an issue. It cost me votes in Chelsea and Fulham.

:10:16. > :10:22.What don't they like about it? A number of people don't want Brexit

:10:23. > :10:26.to happen. We can see that, but why? But the Liberal Democrats, the party

:10:27. > :10:32.of stop Brexit, they had a terrible election. Their vote share was down.

:10:33. > :10:36.Their second worst result in years. Why don't they want Brexit to

:10:37. > :10:42.happen? Because there are some people who wanted to rerun last

:10:43. > :10:47.year's referendum. Why, though. What don't they like about the vision of

:10:48. > :10:50.Brexit in the capital? That's obvious, some people want Brexit to

:10:51. > :10:55.happen and there are some who don't. And those who don't... I wonder

:10:56. > :10:58.whether people actually didn't need to have you talking about the

:10:59. > :11:03.economy, they thought, we know what will happen to the economy when we

:11:04. > :11:07.get Brexit. The fact is it was a national referendum, and I think the

:11:08. > :11:12.Labour Party policy wasn't dissimilar in recognising that it

:11:13. > :11:17.was a national referendum. Just to help reinforce this, in Battersea,

:11:18. > :11:22.where Labour hardly campaigned, and you lost Battersea. Labour

:11:23. > :11:26.campaigned heavily! What did people not like about Brexit and your

:11:27. > :11:30.presentation of it? This is going back to the referendum from last

:11:31. > :11:36.year. In actual fact, the big rejection, the one party that stood

:11:37. > :11:40.on a specific stop Brexit, reverse Brexit and have a second referendum

:11:41. > :11:43.platform... So you don't accept, do you think there needs to be a

:11:44. > :11:48.different style about trying to explain what Brexit will mean for

:11:49. > :11:51.London? Do you want to see a softening of the immigration

:11:52. > :11:56.approach or guarantee access to the single market? All of these things

:11:57. > :12:01.were going to be very important in the negotiation. Migration would be

:12:02. > :12:04.an important factor. The City of London, financial services, the

:12:05. > :12:08.importance of the London economy, passporting. All of these things

:12:09. > :12:13.were going to be important parts of the negotiations starting in a week.

:12:14. > :12:16.Meg Hillier, what would you like to see? A clear message from London is

:12:17. > :12:22.about immigration and access to the single market. Access to the single

:12:23. > :12:25.market is absolutely fundamental. It has to do happen. Greg is being very

:12:26. > :12:32.dismissive. Would you like to see the Labour position change on Brexit

:12:33. > :12:37.in anyway given was London has signalled? We need people to come

:12:38. > :12:41.into this country. We still don't have the skills base to fill those

:12:42. > :12:47.gaps. To close the door and that would be incredible. A lot of

:12:48. > :12:50.Europeans are also very anxious. Should there be a slightly looser

:12:51. > :12:54.view about immigration? Personally I would like to see that but I'm not

:12:55. > :13:02.privy to those conversations, not being on the front bench. We had a

:13:03. > :13:05.real anger in constituency, a lot of Europeans on the doorstep, they have

:13:06. > :13:11.become citizens and they have voted. A lot of people want to say that we

:13:12. > :13:18.should dismiss the Remainers, and that's one of the problems the

:13:19. > :13:23.Tories had. 17% of my constituency EU national scum as is my wife. I

:13:24. > :13:33.speak to them all the time. I'm not saying you personally. -- are EU

:13:34. > :13:49.nationals, as is my wife. If your role is offered, would there

:13:50. > :13:53.be any advice you would offer to the leader about which way to take

:13:54. > :13:58.Brexit? I think the party needs to be united, we need to get the best

:13:59. > :14:03.possible deal. The economy will be part of that, the importance of the

:14:04. > :14:10.London economy. You are with Philip Hammond on that? There is unity in

:14:11. > :14:13.making sure we get the best possible deal for the UK. But the public

:14:14. > :14:22.doesn't have a clue what's on the table. It is very clearly laid out.

:14:23. > :14:27.The Conservative government has not laid out clearly what Brexit means

:14:28. > :14:32.and that played out badly with people in this election which is why

:14:33. > :14:39.they voted the way they did. Thank you, back to you, Andrew.

:14:40. > :14:58.It's a glorious day here, made all the more glorious by being joined by

:14:59. > :15:04.the political editor of the Sun #

:15:05. > :15:06.Steve Richards, who writes for the Independent,

:15:07. > :15:08.and Julia Hartley-Brewer, who presents a radio

:15:09. > :15:13.So, this is how many MPs each of the parties currently have.

:15:14. > :15:17.318 for the Conservatives, 262 for Labour and the remaining 70

:15:18. > :15:28.MPs are shared out between another six parties and one independent.

:15:29. > :15:31.If we assume that the Conservatives and the DUP do reach some sort

:15:32. > :15:40.of deal, they would then have a combined total of 328.

:15:41. > :15:44.Sinn Fein don't take their seats in Westminster so we can take them

:15:45. > :15:51.And if we add together all of the remaining parties,

:15:52. > :15:58.There's also one speaker and three deputy speakers, normally balanced

:15:59. > :16:10.According to convention, speakers don't take part in votes.

:16:11. > :16:13.So if we take away two speakers from the government and opposition

:16:14. > :16:23.totals that gets us to 326 MPs up against 313.

:16:24. > :16:27.That means that the effective working majority for

:16:28. > :16:30.the Conservatives plus the DUP would be 13.

:16:31. > :16:40.Steve, let me be down to consensus here, 13 is not a lot. It is less

:16:41. > :16:45.than she had before she went to the country, but with sensible and

:16:46. > :16:51.cautious parliamentary management, with 13, maybe it is not as unstable

:16:52. > :16:58.as we have all been saying. The broader context is as unstable as we

:16:59. > :17:02.have all been saying, but in the short term you haven't interviewed a

:17:03. > :17:07.single Tory who says we want an election this summer or even this

:17:08. > :17:14.autumn. But given that, they cannot afford to be defeated continuously

:17:15. > :17:26.in the Commons so a single question will be post at Number Ten weekly,

:17:27. > :17:32.and that is, can this get through the House of Commons? In that sense

:17:33. > :17:35.I think it will carry on for some time, this Parliament, not

:17:36. > :17:41.necessarily Theresa May, because they have no choice but to carry on,

:17:42. > :17:44.in the same way that in the 1970s the Labour government staggered on

:17:45. > :17:52.for years. Not because the Commons was stable but because neither

:17:53. > :17:56.Wilson Callaghan wanted to call an election they would lose. The

:17:57. > :18:01.broader context is far from stable and when Brexit legislation comes to

:18:02. > :18:07.the Commons, all hell will break loose. What do you think, more

:18:08. > :18:10.stable than we thought? If you allow for every cabinet and junior

:18:11. > :18:16.minister having to come back from Brussels for every single vote, no

:18:17. > :18:23.one will be allowed to be in hospital overnight... I think

:18:24. > :18:30.people, after a long campaign, everyone is exhausted. I think the

:18:31. > :18:34.reality is if Theresa May had an credibility left, if she could still

:18:35. > :18:38.make it through as Prime Minister in a year's time with support of her

:18:39. > :18:43.party, maybe it could limp on but does she is a dead woman walking, as

:18:44. > :18:49.George Osborne put it this morning, I don't see how she can be stable.

:18:50. > :18:53.She may be walking wounded, but you could see with some sensible

:18:54. > :18:56.parliamentary management, and as Steve says with the Tory MPs not

:18:57. > :19:02.desiring to have to go to the country for a while anyway, although

:19:03. > :19:06.it would be messy and unpredictable at times, it may not be the car

:19:07. > :19:15.crash that a lot of us thought it would be 24 hours after the result.

:19:16. > :19:22.I hear your glass half full, I'm here to say it is untrue. The

:19:23. > :19:25.victors would -- the numbers would dictate you are right, however this

:19:26. > :19:31.is all about doing a deal with the DUP. This is not the coalition, it

:19:32. > :19:37.is confidence and supply, and a deal with an Ulster party, especially the

:19:38. > :19:40.DUP with their particular interests, is incredibly volatile. All they

:19:41. > :19:45.have agreed to do, and not even quite yet but probably will

:19:46. > :19:49.tomorrow, is vote through possibly a Queen's speech, budget matters and

:19:50. > :19:53.confidence motions, therefore the Government has no great majority to

:19:54. > :19:58.pass a single other piece of legislation additives unsustainable.

:19:59. > :20:11.It may last a year while Brexit is under way, and Brexit is the crucial

:20:12. > :20:17.factor in this. Brexit could be -- lets come onto Brexit, Ruth Davidson

:20:18. > :20:20.has gathered these Tory MPs together, let's have a quick look at

:20:21. > :20:28.her with what she calls her new team.

:20:29. > :20:39.So there you are. Visually showing there are a lot more than pandas in

:20:40. > :20:59.Edinburgh zoo! She went on to say: She is not even in the Commons but

:21:00. > :21:03.she wants to be involved, she's in the Scottish parliament. I can see

:21:04. > :21:07.why she saying that but I also heard Dominic Raab tell me earlier he

:21:08. > :21:12.didn't think we need to change the Brexit strategy. This could be the

:21:13. > :21:16.return of Tory euro awards. It never went away, the reality is Ruth

:21:17. > :21:21.Davidson isn't going to bring down the minority Tory government for

:21:22. > :21:27.that. 84% of people who voted on Thursday voted for a party who

:21:28. > :21:30.accepted the referendum result. It is categorically stated, different

:21:31. > :21:33.priorities in terms of the deal but there is no question this idea of

:21:34. > :21:43.staying in the single market would be great, as long as we don't have

:21:44. > :21:46.free movement, but the reality is that is not on the table. Soft

:21:47. > :21:49.Brexit does not exist as an option. The only option is leaving the EU,

:21:50. > :21:54.leaving the single market and maintaining control of our borders.

:21:55. > :21:57.Any party who will try to defy that will be very full much indeed.

:21:58. > :22:01.They're in mind John McDonnell only today has said we will be leaving is

:22:02. > :22:10.the single market if he has anything to do with it. Does Mrs May have to

:22:11. > :22:16.change her Brexit strategy? I think the reason politics is so turbulent

:22:17. > :22:31.is over this. Like Heath in 1974, Theresa May sorter mandate. She

:22:32. > :22:36.hasn't got it. I think her version of Brexit is in real trouble because

:22:37. > :22:40.it has given permission for all of those Tory Remainers to come out

:22:41. > :22:45.again and declare... At this point, they are not saying and all this,

:22:46. > :22:54.but a different kind of Brexit which could lead in a stormy direction. On

:22:55. > :22:59.Brexit, perhaps change, the manifesto... Is that pretty dead in

:23:00. > :23:08.the water now? I think most of it is dead in the water. You have

:23:09. > :23:09.interviewed Graham Brady giving up on grammar schools, oscillating Lee.

:23:10. > :23:14.He was the cheerleader for the thing. Steve is right, the Prime

:23:15. > :23:21.Minister simply didn't win a mandate to deliver her version of Brexit.

:23:22. > :23:27.Whether you believe Brexit should go ahead as Julie or Steve wanted...

:23:28. > :23:32.Know, as the British people want it. They have thrown back Theresa May's

:23:33. > :23:36.version of Brexit by not giving her a majority. I'm simply saying the

:23:37. > :23:43.first rule of politics is to learn how to count. Brussels is now no

:23:44. > :23:47.longer negotiating with the Prime Minister, she's negotiating with the

:23:48. > :23:56.House of Commons all over again. Is the Sun going to stick with Mrs May?

:23:57. > :23:59.She is on borrowed time. I think personally she needs to stay to

:24:00. > :24:03.stabilise the situation but she cannot fight another general

:24:04. > :24:10.election. I want to go on to the DUP because the narrative from the left

:24:11. > :24:14.on the DUP is concentrated on the unfashionable views on homosexuality

:24:15. > :24:19.or abortion and so on, but I would suggest none of these are up for

:24:20. > :24:24.grabs in any of the deals the Tories will do, that would be an

:24:25. > :24:28.conceivable. On things like public spending, public sector pay, welfare

:24:29. > :24:31.benefits, given that they represent large numbers of Protestant

:24:32. > :24:36.working-class votes, they are to the left of the Tories on these issues.

:24:37. > :24:41.This is a hidden irony of what happened because you said Philip

:24:42. > :24:46.Hammond wanted an earlier election so he was liberated from the Tory

:24:47. > :24:51.constraints of the 2015 manifesto, so he could do some complicated

:24:52. > :25:00.spending cuts and tax increases and so on. Now he's dependent on the DUP

:25:01. > :25:05.would -- who would support the triple lock and want to keep the

:25:06. > :25:09.winter fuel allowance. Ironically this early election constrains

:25:10. > :25:13.Philip Hammond more than he was before, and it was called partly

:25:14. > :25:18.obviously about Brexit but to free him up and he is more trapped than

:25:19. > :25:20.ever. I don't think he will get the triple lock through the House of

:25:21. > :25:25.Commons and I don't think he will try because they would be defeated.

:25:26. > :25:29.Since in the election campaign it was on things like welfare and

:25:30. > :25:34.public sector pay freezes that the Tories were on the wrong end of

:25:35. > :25:43.Labour, they might find these DUP position quite convenient. Yes, they

:25:44. > :25:47.can drop everything. I think it's going to be about three paragraphs

:25:48. > :25:59.long, the shortest Queen's speech ever. Tony Blair's Queen's speech

:26:00. > :26:05.was pages and pages. Of course Boris Johnson wants a job, but wouldn't be

:26:06. > :26:09.rather see her fail with the Brexit negotiations, fail with the DUP,

:26:10. > :26:13.everything collapses, they have to take over and go to the country for

:26:14. > :26:21.the good of the country and not the party. Should she pay more attention

:26:22. > :26:26.to the DUP's economic policies now? We should pay attention to every

:26:27. > :26:36.menu shy. The website crashed on Friday morning. We have only got 15

:26:37. > :26:42.seconds so be quick. Will Mrs May still be there by the Tory party

:26:43. > :26:45.conference in early October? Probably yes. Yes but not much

:26:46. > :26:50.beyond. Yes but only as a puppet. That's all from us here

:26:51. > :26:51.in Westminster today, but of course the BBC News Channel

:26:52. > :26:55.will continue to cover the fall-out Tomorrow Jo Coburn will be

:26:56. > :26:58.back on BBC Two at noon with more Daily Politics,

:26:59. > :27:05.and I'll be here on BBC One at the usual time

:27:06. > :27:08.of 11am next Sunday. Remember - if it's Sunday,

:27:09. > :27:48.it's the Sunday Politics. MUSIC: Power

:27:49. > :27:54.by Kanye West # No one man should have

:27:55. > :27:59.all that power... # There's nothing more

:28:00. > :28:04.Machiavellian... I am disgusted at the way this

:28:05. > :28:08.has been presented. Wrong, wrong, wrong

:28:09. > :28:11.on every scale, already.