:01:32. > :01:38.In the north-east and Cumbria, the private company brought in to
:01:38. > :01:48.tackle youth unemployment into the north-east. Candy's methods stop a
:01:48. > :01:48.
:01:48. > :37:13.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2125 seconds
:37:13. > :37:17.Thanks Andrew and a warm welcome to the local part of the show for the
:37:17. > :37:20.North East and Cumbria. Coming up: The private company brought in to
:37:20. > :37:26.tackle youth unemployment on Teesside. Can they turn around
:37:26. > :37:29.young lives? We've a special report. My guests are the Newcastle MP Chi
:37:29. > :37:33.Onwurah who this week tore into the Chancellor accusing him of treating
:37:33. > :37:35.people on benefits in the North East as "work-shy scroungers". Also
:37:35. > :37:43.with me, Conservative councillor in Northumberland, Wayne Daley who as
:37:43. > :37:49.far as I know didn't have a go at Mr Osborne. Welcome to you both.
:37:49. > :37:57.Let's start with the Autumn Statement. Your starter for 10.
:37:57. > :38:03.is not good for the north-east and Cumbria. The Chancellor is going to
:38:03. > :38:08.a contract. It is not growing. In the north-east, we know that if we
:38:08. > :38:17.are going to get Investment and the economy growing, as we had in the
:38:17. > :38:23.past under the RDAs, but economic production is not going up. Let's
:38:23. > :38:26.these that for the moment. When Daly, put the case for the defence.
:38:26. > :38:30.Given the world economy, the Chancellor has done a tremendous
:38:30. > :38:34.job in trying to pervert -- preserve the UK economy. There is
:38:34. > :38:42.some good news in there for the north-east. This is something
:38:42. > :38:46.people need to look at. �64 million investment in the A1. �64 million
:38:46. > :38:50.of investment in the north-east. �17 million investment in brain
:38:50. > :38:55.1,500 homes back into use in the north-east, which unsure Chi
:38:55. > :38:59.Onwurah would support. I think they are things in particular which
:38:59. > :39:03.corporation tax is going to help a lot of business. It is a difficult
:39:03. > :39:07.time, it is a difficult world economy, but there just a has done
:39:07. > :39:12.the best he can given a typical situation. More on that later. The
:39:12. > :39:18.Chancellor did offer some investment in the A1. Faster proper
:39:18. > :39:21.and in places like York. But most of it was about cutting spending.
:39:21. > :39:27.The government of course as to convince voters that the pain will
:39:27. > :39:33.be worth it in the end, and none of that is more true than in the
:39:33. > :39:37.constituencies that the Conservatives must hold on to. We
:39:37. > :39:42.go to Stockton South. When politicians go to the squeeze will,
:39:42. > :39:47.there are a friend to couples like this. Amy Johnson is self employed
:39:47. > :39:52.and a partner is a teacher. She says they have already lost �200 a
:39:52. > :39:56.month in tax benefits. I am slightly confirmed -- concerned
:39:56. > :40:02.about the 1% fee. Inflation is higher than that, so it is going to
:40:02. > :40:06.be another price cut. They have been talking about stopping
:40:06. > :40:14.paternity benefits and things like that. That is something we were
:40:14. > :40:20.looking at, to have more children. But if we can't afford it, there is
:40:20. > :40:26.going to be no extra support, be borne not be able to afford any
:40:26. > :40:30.other children, and double BAA build shame. She is not convinced
:40:30. > :40:34.the cuts are being made in the right places. At the end of the day,
:40:34. > :40:39.we have to deal with this. They have been spending way beyond their
:40:40. > :40:43.means for a long time. They have been a lot of promises and a lot of
:40:43. > :40:49.contradictory stuff. What is being taken our way with one hand is
:40:49. > :40:54.being given with another. I cannot seen - but I cannot see me being
:40:54. > :40:59.Petrov any time soon. The charter says the economy are he -- the
:40:59. > :41:03.economy is healing. Asked people in the constituency. It is very hard.
:41:03. > :41:08.You do not know what is going to happen from one paid to the next.
:41:08. > :41:13.At times they help the wrong people. They need to look at getting people
:41:13. > :41:19.back into work, and support those, rather than penalise those that are
:41:19. > :41:24.working. It is a difficult time for everybody, but the north-east seems
:41:24. > :41:32.to be cursing from those thing. They are things happening in the
:41:32. > :41:42.south but we do not get any benefit from. So art local businesses any
:41:42. > :41:45.
:41:46. > :41:50.Big business has got its percentage of corporation tax, but that does
:41:50. > :41:54.not affect the small business at all. I would like to have seen
:41:54. > :42:01.something along the lines of national insurance tax, which is a
:42:01. > :42:08.tax on employees, upward like to have seen that being looked at, but
:42:08. > :42:18.as for a small business, absolutely nothing. Wayne Daley, you saw Amy
:42:18. > :42:22.Johnson there. She says she has been hit in the pocket. One of the
:42:22. > :42:27.things we need to understand is that the charter says we are all in
:42:27. > :42:31.this together. I know you make a mockery of it! But her child
:42:32. > :42:40.benefit is being cut. On those points, even under the Labour
:42:40. > :42:45.manifesto in 2010, public sector salaries were at 1%. We are just
:42:45. > :42:51.matching benefits to public sector pay settlements. You're not helping
:42:51. > :42:59.the very people you said he would help. In north-east, 10,000 people
:42:59. > :43:06.have been taken out of paying any tax whatsoever. This is really
:43:06. > :43:11.important. Pensions are not on a 1% cap. They will go above the rate of
:43:11. > :43:16.inflation. Back to me, why should pensioners be protected? Some of
:43:16. > :43:19.them will be much better off, and yet working families, a lot of the
:43:19. > :43:23.benefits affect them. Back to the families who are working, one of
:43:23. > :43:29.the things we have also done his counsel that per three p increase
:43:29. > :43:34.in fuel, which will save �40 a year on fuel bills. We have done a lot
:43:34. > :43:44.of things to support families. On the issue of pensioners, we are
:43:44. > :43:49.going to move towards... And it is absolutely right that people go
:43:49. > :43:53.were doing the right thing should not be penalised. Those people who
:43:53. > :44:03.could work and should work should pay the price of doing that as well.
:44:03. > :44:03.
:44:03. > :44:07.Chi Onwurah, let's deal with the benefits. You said he would vote...
:44:08. > :44:12.We have no details of what is going to be in the benefits of proposals.
:44:12. > :44:16.What this government does repeatedly is to take things that
:44:16. > :44:22.there is cross-party consensus on, changing the competition law for
:44:22. > :44:30.example, and adding to those bills and things but we are strongly
:44:30. > :44:36.against. Would you personally be against these caps on benefits?
:44:36. > :44:46.am very much in favour of benefit reform, which ensures that it pays
:44:46. > :44:55.to work, and on and ensure -- by in... It is Goadby people in work
:44:55. > :44:59.that is going to be hardest hit by this. If you are not in this... We
:44:59. > :45:06.need to see what is in it. We need see what the details of the changes
:45:06. > :45:10.are. But taking �3 billion away from benefits in order to give �3
:45:10. > :45:16.billion in tax cuts to the very most wealthy, that is unfair, and
:45:16. > :45:21.we definitely oppose that. But on the other side of that, under these
:45:21. > :45:29.new tax regimes, there is one million more people in the 40 % tax
:45:29. > :45:38.band. To say that we are somehow giving... But those people are
:45:38. > :45:44.strivers. You are giving �100 -- �100,000 to people who own a
:45:44. > :45:52.million, and you are taking away from people who are on just enough
:45:52. > :46:02.to get by. They were not be taxed at all. We are getting people in...
:46:02. > :46:06.If you were so vehemently opposed to it, won't she say you won't vote
:46:06. > :46:16.against it? Star but a pen something towards it. If people are
:46:16. > :46:21.
:46:21. > :46:25.A wanted to bring it back to business. You mentioned corporation
:46:25. > :46:30.tax. As you heard in that film, for the vast majority are small
:46:30. > :46:39.businesses, the backbone of the economy, it makes no difference. In
:46:39. > :46:47.its defence took Martin axils. not the Chancellor, --
:46:47. > :46:52.multinationals. It was one of Labour's brilliant ideas Turk put
:46:52. > :46:56.National Insurance Cup. I think we could do more for those small
:46:56. > :47:01.businesses. One of the things we can do is to create an economy that
:47:01. > :47:07.is flourishing, and that is what we need to do. The danger here is that
:47:07. > :47:10.you have lost the big argument, because a lot of people have bones
:47:11. > :47:15.with individual cuts, but they broadly agreed. And absolutely, and
:47:15. > :47:20.that is what we said before we went into the election. We are going to
:47:20. > :47:25.cut the deficit over two terms, and George Osborne said that it had to
:47:25. > :47:33.be done over five years. They cut massively out of a our economy.
:47:33. > :47:39.They took billions in order to get it been want Parliament. But are
:47:39. > :47:43.they achieving it, no. One example for businesses. They cut
:47:43. > :47:53.manufacturing capital allowances. They have now brought bad back.
:47:53. > :47:59.
:47:59. > :48:02.The economy will never get back on track as long as tens of thousands
:48:02. > :48:05.of young people are languishing on the dole. But how to get them into
:48:05. > :48:07.training or work when they've left school, often with no
:48:07. > :48:10.qualifications, and with little self-esteem? Well the Government's
:48:10. > :48:13.Youth Contract aims to tackle that - by using private firms to target
:48:13. > :48:15.the young unemployed and get their lives back on track. I visited one
:48:15. > :48:18.company in Teesside to find out more.
:48:18. > :48:26.It starts today 10am Cole. Hi-tech, it is Lehane calling. It is just to
:48:26. > :48:29.let you know that day, our driver, will be picking you up at 10:45am.
:48:29. > :48:34.From the office, they are making sure the people are getting out of
:48:34. > :48:38.bed. They are targeting people with no qualifications and no jobs.
:48:38. > :48:43.These people are not going back into the classroom -- classroom.
:48:43. > :48:48.They are going climbing. We need to find innovative methods to engage
:48:48. > :48:56.with them. We can use sport, the media, whatever we can do to engage
:48:56. > :49:02.with people. It is is not just to tempt the young people in. It is to
:49:02. > :49:05.help their confidence climb. Part of the training, what we are
:49:05. > :49:11.delivering is to get rid of the shyness and for you to build your
:49:11. > :49:17.self-esteem. Small steps bed with a big encouragement. Get one hand on
:49:17. > :49:27.here. Now it has jumped up. Yes, well done! Good effort. There are
:49:27. > :49:33.other cheerleaders. Young people who were unemployed ones but are
:49:33. > :49:37.now employed our role models. come down to their level, and for
:49:37. > :49:44.them to understand. They can understand me, and know that they
:49:44. > :49:50.can trust me. I am just trying to show that it can be done, that is
:49:50. > :49:56.their routine. Is the getting there rooting, bacon just get in a better
:49:56. > :50:02.life just by helping themselves. this will not rather cosy? Is the
:50:02. > :50:08.changing their lives? It could be seen as a reward for failure. The
:50:09. > :50:13.government -- the company says it can put in some other messages.
:50:13. > :50:17.There is an element of tough love. If you do not engage with
:50:17. > :50:25.programmes and training, they are more likely to be committing crime,
:50:25. > :50:29.the more chance there is of growing up on benefits. And the children
:50:29. > :50:35.growing up on benefits. The summer the are people here, that is
:50:35. > :50:40.hitting home. I have no DCS seize on anything. This has given me the
:50:40. > :50:49.way forward. Maybe it can get the qualifications and work. I am going
:50:49. > :50:59.forward in life. Others badly behaved. I turned myself around,
:50:59. > :51:02.
:51:02. > :51:12.came here, got work. There is a mountain to scale. One in five
:51:12. > :51:12.
:51:12. > :51:17.The End goal has to be an employment. It should be gauged
:51:17. > :51:22.towards a road of employment. So far, private companies have not
:51:22. > :51:27.been a runaway success. Targets have been missed. It is too early
:51:27. > :51:35.to say whether the use contract will be more successful. If these
:51:35. > :51:42.young people's do not find jobs, the company does not get paid.
:51:43. > :51:49.Let's get a trade union perspective. You should be applauding this?
:51:49. > :51:55.Certainly, it is very positive. It is good see young people taking
:51:55. > :51:59.early to in other young people. We do not know if it is going to be
:51:59. > :52:04.working. Work programme has been a disaster. The statement in the
:52:04. > :52:10.House of Commons this week, but unemployment is going to go up for
:52:10. > :52:16.the next two years. It is going to come down after that. It may get
:52:16. > :52:20.higher. The taxpayer cannot Mulhouse. If there is good work, it
:52:20. > :52:27.is rewarded, and if it doesn't... That is one aspect. The problem
:52:27. > :52:37.with youth contract is that there is too little, and employers...
:52:37. > :52:44.so brilliant pounds. But it is delivering. -- �1 billion. It is
:52:44. > :52:48.not making the slightest dent of youth unemployment. The Autumn
:52:48. > :52:53.Statement revise the Peter how far unemployment. He said it was going
:52:53. > :53:02.to go up by a certain extent, but it's just that this is working.
:53:02. > :53:06.see that as a strategy failing. But we are going seek high unemployment
:53:06. > :53:16.for the next two years. I would rather see a different method in
:53:16. > :53:17.
:53:17. > :53:21.place. Using Prime -- private companies did not deliver. Why
:53:21. > :53:26.should we believe this will be any better? Private companies have been
:53:26. > :53:31.delivered for number of years. Debra Brazil by the previous Labour
:53:31. > :53:37.government. But this only started in April. So it is very, very early
:53:37. > :53:43.days to seek success. The one... is not hard to read what is
:53:43. > :53:47.happening in the work programme. If I can just answer that up. The
:53:47. > :53:52.issue about the work programme is that that was started at a time
:53:52. > :53:56.when there was a massive downturn in the economy. By definition, then
:53:56. > :54:00.they didn't quite reach their targets. You have rightly
:54:00. > :54:07.identified that unemployment will not be catfight. Going back to the
:54:07. > :54:16.issue, it is important that the feature on the -- focus on the
:54:16. > :54:23.Select Committee, said that the use played is a good idea. It is a good
:54:23. > :54:29.start. But we need to do more. I agree, but we needed invest in our
:54:29. > :54:36.young people. They are given a chance that they were never be
:54:36. > :54:44.given. But the government are backing quite a liberal approach
:54:44. > :54:49.here. What the government is doing here, and firstly, the use contract
:54:49. > :54:52.may have started in April, but we can get a good idea at the level of
:54:52. > :54:59.the sex from the work programme. And I support innovative solutions
:54:59. > :55:04.to get young people into work, but this is no need -- by no means an
:55:04. > :55:08.Nath investments. But payment by results does not allow those who
:55:08. > :55:12.have the funding and the backing to wait two or three years to see what
:55:13. > :55:19.the results are. We have very little details on these contracts.
:55:19. > :55:24.We saw what happened with the work programme. This is just the funding
:55:24. > :55:29.but the last government put in for jobs and for young people, and it
:55:29. > :55:39.may be a big difference. It cost a lot less. Is it all about the
:55:39. > :55:39.
:55:39. > :55:44.money? The future jobs funk. Unemployment was rising quite a lot.
:55:44. > :55:50.It is not all about money, but we need an approach that looks at
:55:50. > :55:54.education and the support that it needs. The thing with youth
:55:54. > :56:02.unemployment is that that unemployment having early in the
:56:02. > :56:09.Korea, that is the most devastating impact. The costs continue in our
:56:09. > :56:17.economy for decades to come, so this approach is not enough to help
:56:17. > :56:20.our young children. Now: there's a bit of a retro feel to the
:56:20. > :56:23.political news this week with the miners' strike again making the
:56:23. > :56:26.headlines. With a round-up of the week's events in 60 seconds here's
:56:26. > :56:33.Mark Denten. A man whose still got his 80s collection of Human League
:56:33. > :56:37.and Kajagoogoo singles but not unfortunately his full head of hair.
:56:37. > :56:42.unfortunately his full head of hair. A campaign has begun to crush the
:56:42. > :56:47.criminal convictions of many striking miners. Men arrested on
:56:47. > :56:50.that people -- picket line were not criminals, according to this man.
:56:50. > :56:56.They have not done anything wrong. They be doing their jobs and paid a
:56:56. > :57:01.heavy price. Jamie Reid has welcomed the creation of jobs at
:57:01. > :57:11.Sellafield. He said that West Cumbria was at centre of global
:57:11. > :57:11.
:57:11. > :57:17.excellence. Good news it in Sunderland, where this factory --
:57:17. > :57:24.back using sun and, by this factory is closing. I swear by Almighty God
:57:24. > :57:34.but I will be swearing true allegiance to at her Majesty's
:57:34. > :57:35.
:57:35. > :57:41.He took the oath with two other winners of recent elections. -- by-
:57:41. > :57:49.elections. I wanted to ask you about some of
:57:49. > :57:51.the miners' strike confrontations. A if he feels that there is enough
:57:51. > :57:55.evidence for the convictions to be evidence for the convictions to be
:57:55. > :57:59.quashed, I have apps in no problem supporting it. What we have seen
:57:59. > :58:04.under the judicial system that we have seen the bloody Sunday Review,
:58:04. > :58:12.the Hillsborough repute. I think if there has been a miscarriage of
:58:12. > :58:17.justice, we need is the natural justice take place. There has to be
:58:17. > :58:21.a review, and any conviction that is unsound and wrong is to be
:58:21. > :58:28.overturned. I have no problem supporting him. Is it really worth
:58:28. > :58:34.the time and effort to open all of these cases? You are absolutely
:58:34. > :58:40.right to consider the money it cost, but the miners' strike but was
:58:40. > :58:45.really critical in present regional history. What has emerged from the
:58:45. > :58:50.queue up to us back Hillsborough inquiry is that there is a
:58:50. > :59:00.deliberate effort to criminalised the striking miners, partly to get
:59:00. > :59:00.
:59:00. > :59:07.them out of picketing, but also just to get them out of the media.
:59:07. > :59:13.That is an abuse of power on the part of the police, and it is
:59:13. > :59:20.important. There's a lack of confidence. Are there police
:59:20. > :59:26.officers that should be prosecuted? That is a difficult question. When
:59:26. > :59:34.a police officer who deliberately sought to criminalise something --
:59:34. > :59:39.someone who was innocent, that is a preacher public trust. I would
:59:39. > :59:46.certainly support the call for an inquiry. Robert support the call
:59:46. > :59:53.for those who may have been adversely affected by this. Whether
:59:53. > :59:58.his responsibility, I do think people are answerable. Chi Onwurah,
:59:58. > :00:01.Wayne Daley, thank you very much. And that's about if from us. Much