23/04/2017

:00:37. > :00:39.It's Sunday afternoon - this is the Sunday Politics.

:00:40. > :00:42.Jeremy Corbyn wants to give everyone in Britain four

:00:43. > :00:45.extra bank holidays - but is the Labour leader up

:00:46. > :00:47.to being Prime Minister if he wins the election in just

:00:48. > :00:53.Theresa May says she wants a stronger hand to deliver Brexit -

:00:54. > :00:56.how will the Conservatives go about getting the bigger

:00:57. > :01:02.I'll be asking Party Chairman, Patrick McLoughlin.

:01:03. > :01:07.And I've been in Paris where voters are going to the polls in first

:01:08. > :01:10.round of the French Presidential election - what could be the impact

:01:11. > :01:12.on the EU and Brexit of this most unpredictable of contests?

:01:13. > :01:15.Here: What does Theresa May's snap election mean for

:01:16. > :01:18.We'll take a look at what's at stake for the political parties

:01:19. > :01:24.across the region as voters weigh up their options.

:01:25. > :01:26.Or feel they may not like it but the Tories

:01:27. > :01:41.And with me has always ready for the marathon task of covering a snap

:01:42. > :01:44.general election, even working on bank holidays, the best and

:01:45. > :01:45.brightest political panel in the business. David Wooding, Polly

:01:46. > :01:49.Toynbee and Toby Young. So Labour's big announcement this

:01:50. > :01:51.morning was a crowd pleaser. Four more rainy bank

:01:52. > :01:53.holidays to enjoy - one for each of the patron saints

:01:54. > :01:55.of England, Scotland, But Mr Corbyn probably won't be

:01:56. > :02:01.getting the time off work if he wins And on The Andrew Marr Show this

:02:02. > :02:06.morning he was asked what he would do as Prime Minister

:02:07. > :02:09.if the security services asked him to authorise a drone strike

:02:10. > :02:12.on the leader of Islamic State. What I'd tell them is,

:02:13. > :02:16.give me the information you've got, tell me how accurate that is,

:02:17. > :02:18.tell me what you I'm asking you about decisions you

:02:19. > :02:27.would take as Prime Minister. Can I take you back

:02:28. > :02:30.to the whole point? Is the objective

:02:31. > :02:33.to start more strikes that may kill many innocent

:02:34. > :02:36.people, as has happened? Do you think killing

:02:37. > :02:38.the leader of Isis would be I think the leader of Isis not

:02:39. > :02:47.being around would be helpful, and I'm no supporter or defender

:02:48. > :02:49.in any way of Isis. But I would also argue that

:02:50. > :02:53.the bombing campaign has killed a of whom were virtually prisoners of

:02:54. > :02:56.Isis. So you've got to think

:02:57. > :03:03.about these things. Mr Corbyn earlier. David, is his

:03:04. > :03:08.reply refreshing damaging? It is damaging. He has clearly been

:03:09. > :03:12.freaked to the fire already in the first week, there will be lots of

:03:13. > :03:15.questions on his suitability as a leader and the damage it could cause

:03:16. > :03:19.to our national security over the weeks ahead and Andrew Marr has cut

:03:20. > :03:23.straight to the chase here. The other thing, of course, is the

:03:24. > :03:26.letters of last resort, one of the first duties of a Prime Minister

:03:27. > :03:32.when he walks into No 10 is to sign these letters on his own, on or --

:03:33. > :03:35.or on her own in a room, a very lonely moment, to decide whether he

:03:36. > :03:39.should press the nuclear button and that goes in the Vanguard submarines

:03:40. > :03:43.and is opened in the event of a strike and he has dodged a question

:03:44. > :03:47.so many times. One must wonder what he would do that. He has to make

:03:48. > :03:52.these decisions as Prime Minister. On the Isis point, refreshing or

:03:53. > :03:56.damaging? It sure is his base, the people who support him, that's the

:03:57. > :03:59.sort of thing they support info and maybe his tactic is that's all he's

:04:00. > :04:03.going to get, that is what the polls seem to suggest, in which case they

:04:04. > :04:07.will be pleased, and say yes, the man is a man for these who doesn't

:04:08. > :04:13.press buttons and shoot people down. But if you want to win you have to

:04:14. > :04:17.deal with your own weaknesses and reach out to other people. I think

:04:18. > :04:23.most people would say that's not somebody who could defend the

:04:24. > :04:26.country. I wonder if he was being totally honest in saying he would

:04:27. > :04:31.consider it he would ask for more information. He has previously been

:04:32. > :04:34.on the record as being against drone strikes in principle, he's

:04:35. > :04:38.campaigned against them, he wants to abolish drones. I think Andrew Marr

:04:39. > :04:42.let him off saying it was a drone strike rather than a Navy SEAL or

:04:43. > :04:44.SAS operation and he had the fact that they could be collateral

:04:45. > :04:50.damage. We that's not his position because he condemned the

:04:51. > :04:54.assassination of Osama Bin Laden even though there was no collateral

:04:55. > :04:57.damage. David is right on the Trident point, he fetched the

:04:58. > :05:03.question. We heard Niall Griffiths on this very show saying Trident,

:05:04. > :05:06.the renewal of Trident, would be in the next Labour Party manifesto. It

:05:07. > :05:10.turns out now we don't know and when he was asked he said that remains to

:05:11. > :05:14.be seen, his re-opened a can of worms. What he has said about

:05:15. > :05:18.Trident which was extraordinary was, we will rebuild the submarines but

:05:19. > :05:21.not have any nukes on them which is expensive and useless. And of course

:05:22. > :05:25.the Labour Party were forced soon after that interview to put out a

:05:26. > :05:31.statement saying it is Labour Party policy to renew Trident. So where

:05:32. > :05:35.are we? Do we know what the party's policy is? It is to renew Trident

:05:36. > :05:41.but he has started this review which involves looking at it all again. We

:05:42. > :05:45.know he is a unilateralist to start with but whether he can force this

:05:46. > :05:50.through is dubious. Does it matter, though, if the party policy is in

:05:51. > :05:54.favour of Trident, if the leader is not? The potential Prime Minister is

:05:55. > :05:57.not? They split three ways when they went to vote on it in the Commons.

:05:58. > :06:01.The party agreed they were pro-Trident and when it came to the

:06:02. > :06:06.vote they split three ways. I think it's difficult for them, it's always

:06:07. > :06:10.been a really difficult issue for Labour. The question is whether you

:06:11. > :06:14.want to seal off your negatives, whether you really want to try and

:06:15. > :06:17.reach out to people. There are an awful lot of people who will like

:06:18. > :06:22.what he said, there are an awful lot of people that think we have been

:06:23. > :06:25.involved in terrible wars, we have wasted a lot of money and blood and

:06:26. > :06:30.let's just get back from the whole thing, let's retreat from the world

:06:31. > :06:33.and not try punching above our weight. There is something to be

:06:34. > :06:38.said for that and it is a reasonable argument. He's been true to himself

:06:39. > :06:41.on this. I think he is and Polly is right, lots of people will agree

:06:42. > :06:46.with him, not enough to win a general election, the latest ComRes

:06:47. > :06:49.poll shows Tories on 50% and Labour on 25 and as my colleague James

:06:50. > :06:52.Forsyth in the Spectator said if this was a boxing match it would

:06:53. > :06:54.have been stopped by now by the revelry. We are not stopping, we are

:06:55. > :06:55.going on. So the political parties have had

:06:56. > :06:58.to move into election mode Stand by for battle buses,

:06:59. > :07:02.mail shots and your social media timeline being bombarded

:07:03. > :07:03.by political propoganda. But none of this comes cheap -

:07:04. > :07:08.Adam's been doing his sums. Democracy is priceless but those

:07:09. > :07:13.planes, trains and automobiles used in the last election cost money

:07:14. > :07:16.and we know exactly how much, thanks to the Electoral

:07:17. > :07:22.Commission database. The Conservatives flew David Cameron

:07:23. > :07:26.to every part of the UK in one day on a private plane costing ?29,000,

:07:27. > :07:32.in-flight meals extra. They shelled out ?1.2 million

:07:33. > :07:37.for adverts on Facebook. The most expensive item was their

:07:38. > :07:42.election guru Lynton Crosby. They bought ?2.4 million worth

:07:43. > :07:44.of advice and research from his firm Labour's biggest expenditure

:07:45. > :07:51.was on good old-fashioned leaflets, costing ?7.4 million

:07:52. > :07:54.to print and deliver. Hope they didn't go straight

:07:55. > :07:59.into the recycling. Cheap for all the

:08:00. > :08:08.enjoyment it gave us. To turn a normal minibus

:08:09. > :08:10.into Harriet Harman's pink bus Nick Clegg toured the country doing

:08:11. > :08:17.all manner of stunts transported although the party got a grand's

:08:18. > :08:30.discount when it broke down. Ukip's then leader Nigel Farage

:08:31. > :08:32.was accompanied by bodyguards Nicola Sturgeon's chopper

:08:33. > :08:41.cost the SNP ?35,450. Plaid Cymru spent just over

:08:42. > :08:44.?1,000 on media training And the Greens spent ?6,912

:08:45. > :08:58.promoting their tweets. It adds up to a grand total

:08:59. > :09:02.for all the parties of ?37,560,039. Jabbing at my calculator that works

:09:03. > :09:09.out at less than ?1 per voter. Adam Fleming there -

:09:10. > :09:14.and joining me now is the man responsible for the Conservative

:09:15. > :09:17.election campaigns - for the locals next month

:09:18. > :09:25.and the general election in June - Welcome to the programme. The Crown

:09:26. > :09:29.Prosecution Service is reviewing evidence from 14 police forces that

:09:30. > :09:34.your party breached election spending rules on multiple occasions

:09:35. > :09:39.in the last election. What are you going to do differently this time?

:09:40. > :09:45.Well, the battle buses are part of the National campaign spend. You saw

:09:46. > :09:48.them just on the shot that you did, all three parties had those battle

:09:49. > :09:52.buses so that's why we believe they were part of the national spend and

:09:53. > :09:56.it was declared that way. At least 30 people in your party, MPs and

:09:57. > :10:00.agents, being investigated because they may not have been right to

:10:01. > :10:03.include it in the national spend. Are you saying you are going to do

:10:04. > :10:11.nothing differently this time? You asked me about last time and the way

:10:12. > :10:14.the position is... Was. I asked you about this time. We will take a

:10:15. > :10:21.careful count and make sure that everything that we do is within the

:10:22. > :10:24.law. But as I say, the last election, all three parties had

:10:25. > :10:29.battle buses. It is your party that above all has been investigated by

:10:30. > :10:35.14 police forces. You must surely be taking stock of that and working out

:10:36. > :10:38.how to do some things differently. You are being investigated because

:10:39. > :10:42.you put stuff on the National Ledger which should have been on the local

:10:43. > :10:46.constituency ledger. Are you looking at that again? All of the parties

:10:47. > :10:49.had battle buses and they all put them on their national spend. I

:10:50. > :10:55.don't think any of the parties put them on the local spend. The other

:10:56. > :10:58.battle buses were not full of their party activists. Your party stuffed

:10:59. > :11:03.these battle buses with activists and took them to constituencies.

:11:04. > :11:08.That's the difference. And I ask again, what is different this time?

:11:09. > :11:11.Are you going to run the risk of being investigated yet again? We

:11:12. > :11:17.believe that we fully compliant with the electoral law as it was. What

:11:18. > :11:21.will happen if one of these, or two or three or four or five of these 30

:11:22. > :11:28.people, Tory MPs, or agents running campaigns are charged during the

:11:29. > :11:31.campaign? As I say I believe we properly declared our election

:11:32. > :11:34.expenses. What happens if they are charged? You asking me a

:11:35. > :11:38.hypothetical question, the importance of this election is about

:11:39. > :11:42.who is in Downing Street in seven weeks' time. Let me clarify this,

:11:43. > :11:46.you maintain that in 2015 you did nothing wrong with how you allocated

:11:47. > :11:49.the cost and the activities of the battle buses and you would do

:11:50. > :11:54.exactly the same this time round? What we did at the last election we

:11:55. > :11:59.believe fully complied with the law. So the battle buses this time,

:12:00. > :12:02.stocked full of activists, will still be charged to the national

:12:03. > :12:10.campaign even when they go to local constituencies? Will they? We will

:12:11. > :12:15.be looking at the way we do it, there is new guidance from the

:12:16. > :12:19.Electoral Commission out and we will look at that guidance. It is not the

:12:20. > :12:23.guidance, it is the lawful stop the Electoral Commission said that, if

:12:24. > :12:26.you look at the report they did on us, they said there was one area

:12:27. > :12:29.where we had over claimed, over declared, and another area we had

:12:30. > :12:32.and declared. We haven't worked out what to do

:12:33. > :12:36.yet, have you? We will get on with the campaign and

:12:37. > :12:39.start the campaign and I'm looking forward to the campaign.

:12:40. > :12:42.I'm trying to work out of the campaign is going to be legal or not

:12:43. > :12:46.because last time it seems it could have been illegal.

:12:47. > :12:48.I am sure the campaign will be legal.

:12:49. > :12:53.You started the campaign warning about the prospect of, the coalition

:12:54. > :13:01.of chaos. Mr Corbyn has ruled out a post-election coalition with the SNP

:13:02. > :13:03.and so have the Lib Dems so who is going to be in this coalition?

:13:04. > :13:05.Vince Cable said he was looking towards a possible coalition trying

:13:06. > :13:08.to stop a Conservative government. Is not the leader of the Lib Dems.

:13:09. > :13:14.He's an important voice in the Lib Dems. Who will be in it? Let's see

:13:15. > :13:18.because of the Conservative Party is not re-elected with a strong

:13:19. > :13:21.majority, what will happen? There will be a coalition stopping us

:13:22. > :13:25.doing the things we need to do. Who will be in it? It will be a

:13:26. > :13:29.coalition of the Labour Party, the SNP and the Liberal party. They have

:13:30. > :13:33.ruled it out. I think they would not rule it out if that was the

:13:34. > :13:37.situation. Like Theresa May not ruling out an election and then

:13:38. > :13:40.changing her mind? The things the Prime Minister said were very clear,

:13:41. > :13:44.once she had served Article 50 there was an opportunity, as we know

:13:45. > :13:48.today, there is going to be the start of a new government formed in

:13:49. > :13:52.France and in September we have the German elections. So it was quite

:13:53. > :13:58.right that we didn't get ourselves boxed into a timetable. That is why

:13:59. > :14:01.the Prime Minister took the view that they should be a general

:14:02. > :14:05.election to give her full strength of an electoral mandate when it

:14:06. > :14:12.comes to those negotiations. What about Mr Corbyn's plan for four new

:14:13. > :14:15.bank holidays, good idea? I'm not... If we get Corbyn in No 10 Downing St

:14:16. > :14:20.we will have a permanent bank holiday of the United Kingdom. We

:14:21. > :14:26.will have fewer bank holidays of most other major nations, most about

:14:27. > :14:30.major wealthy nations. What about at least one more? Well, look, he's

:14:31. > :14:35.talked about four bank holidays. Today would be a bank holiday and

:14:36. > :14:39.next Monday would be a bank holiday and the other week was a bank

:14:40. > :14:43.holiday too. I don't think it's very well thought out. It sounded more to

:14:44. > :14:46.me something like you get in school mock elections rather than proper

:14:47. > :14:50.elections. Your party is the self-styled party of the workers and

:14:51. > :14:54.you have no plans to give the workers even one extra bank holiday?

:14:55. > :14:59.What we want to do is ensure Britain is a strong economy and building on

:15:00. > :15:03.the jobs that we have created since 2010. We were told that by reducing

:15:04. > :15:08.public expenditure unemployment in this country would go up,

:15:09. > :15:12.unemployment has gone down and the number of jobs have gone up

:15:13. > :15:16.substantially. But no more bank holidays? Well, we will make our

:15:17. > :15:20.manifesto in due course but I don't think four bank holidays held in

:15:21. > :15:26.April, March and November are very attractive to people. When Ed

:15:27. > :15:35.Miliband as leader of the Labour Party suggested the government

:15:36. > :15:38.should control energy prices by capping them, the Conservatives

:15:39. > :15:42.described that as almost Communist and central planning. Do still take

:15:43. > :15:47.that view? You'll see what we have to say on energy prices. I didn't

:15:48. > :15:51.you about that, I asked you if you take the view... The Prime Minister

:15:52. > :15:54.made a speech at the Conservative Spring conference in which she

:15:55. > :15:57.outlined her dissatisfaction about people who are kept locked on a

:15:58. > :15:59.standard tariff and those are the issues we will address in the next

:16:00. > :16:05.few weeks when the manifesto was published.

:16:06. > :16:11.Would that be an act of communism? You will need to see what we say

:16:12. > :16:17.when we set out the policies. It could be. You could put a Communist

:16:18. > :16:21.act into your manifesto? I don't think you'll find a Communist

:16:22. > :16:25.manifesto in a Conservative manifesto which will be launched...

:16:26. > :16:30.You are planning to control prices? We will address what we think is

:16:31. > :16:33.unfairness in the energy market. Mr Jeremy Corbyn was reluctant this

:16:34. > :16:40.morning to sanction a drone strike. You heard us talking about it

:16:41. > :16:43.earlier against the leader of Islamic State if our intelligence

:16:44. > :16:48.services identified him. What would it achieve? When the Prime Minister

:16:49. > :16:53.gets certain advice in the national interests, she has to act been that.

:16:54. > :16:56.We've seen with Theresa May in her time as Home Secretary and Prime

:16:57. > :17:00.Minister, she's not afraid to take those very difficult decisions. What

:17:01. > :17:04.we say this morning from Jeremy Corbyn was a his tans, a reluctance.

:17:05. > :17:11.I don't think that serves the country well. What would it achieve

:17:12. > :17:15.if we take out the head of Islamic State he's replaced by somebody

:17:16. > :17:20.else. It brings their organisation into difficulties. It undermines

:17:21. > :17:25.their organisation. It shows we'll take every measure to undo an

:17:26. > :17:28.organisation which has organised terrorism in different parts of

:17:29. > :17:31.Europe, the UK. I think it is absolutely right the Prime Minister

:17:32. > :17:36.is prepared to take those kind of measures. Jeremy Corbyn said he

:17:37. > :17:41.wasn't prepared to take that. Because he wasn't sure what it would

:17:42. > :17:46.achieve. The Obama administration launched hundreds of drone strikes

:17:47. > :17:52.in various war zones and we in the west are still under attack on a

:17:53. > :17:57.regular basis. Mr Corbyn's basis was what would it achieve? It would

:17:58. > :18:02.achieve a safer position for the UK overall. The war on terrorists. But

:18:03. > :18:07.the Westminster attack, Paris has just been attacked again? There's

:18:08. > :18:11.been attacks which have been stopped by the intelligence services. We

:18:12. > :18:15.must do all we can to support them. The question was about drone

:18:16. > :18:20.strikes. Whether it is drone strikes or other action, we have to be

:18:21. > :18:23.prepared to act. Let's move on to Brexit. It is the major reason the

:18:24. > :18:28.Prime Minister's called the election? Not the only within but

:18:29. > :18:32.the main reason? It is one of the reasons. Now we start the two-year

:18:33. > :18:37.negotiations and then a year afterwards. Also the way in which

:18:38. > :18:40.certain people said they would try to use in the House of Lords or

:18:41. > :18:47.House of Commons to prevent us making progress. I think you'll put

:18:48. > :18:53.in your manifesto, it is the Government's policy, the Brexit

:18:54. > :19:00.negotiating position will be no more freedom of movement. Leave the

:19:01. > :19:03.single market and no longer under the jurisdiction Europe. You expect

:19:04. > :19:09.every Tory MP to fight on that manifesto. What will you do with Ken

:19:10. > :19:13.Clarke and Anna? They will have fought on their manifesto. They will

:19:14. > :19:16.understand the Prime Minister has the authority of the ballot box

:19:17. > :19:21.behind them. Will they fight the election on these positions? I'm

:19:22. > :19:26.sure they'll fight the election supporting the election of a

:19:27. > :19:30.Conservative Government and it's manifesto will quite clearly set

:19:31. > :19:34.out... You know they're against these positions. Ken Clarke has a

:19:35. > :19:39.prod tradition of expressing a certain view. Overall, the party's

:19:40. > :19:43.manifesto, it is not just individuals like Ken Clarke, it is

:19:44. > :19:47.what happens as far as the House of Lords are concerned, people said

:19:48. > :19:51.they'd use the House of Lords to prevent certain measures. You're the

:19:52. > :19:56.party chairman, will it be possible for people like Ken Clarke to fight

:19:57. > :20:01.this election under the Conservative ticket without sub describing to all

:20:02. > :20:07.-- subscribing to all of these Brexit conditions? Ken Clarke will

:20:08. > :20:11.fight as Conservative candidates. That wasn't my question. I know

:20:12. > :20:15.that. Will they be allowed to fight it on their own ticket and not

:20:16. > :20:20.subscribe to what is in your manifesto? The manifesto will be

:20:21. > :20:24.what the Conservative Party fights the General Election on. There will

:20:25. > :20:30.always be cases where people have had different views on different

:20:31. > :20:36.parts of the manifesto. That will be the guiding principles for the

:20:37. > :20:41.party. Philip Hammond says your election promises in 2015, in your

:20:42. > :20:45.manifesto not to raise taxes tied his hands when it came to managing

:20:46. > :20:49.the economy. Do you agree with him? No. The simple fact is we have to do

:20:50. > :20:54.the best things for the economy. We'll set out in our manifesto in a

:20:55. > :20:59.few weeks' time, what the policies will be for the next Parliament. Can

:21:00. > :21:05.I clarify, you don't agree with your Chancellor? What Philip was saying

:21:06. > :21:09.was some of the areas we wants to address as Chancellor, what the

:21:10. > :21:13.party will do, it will set out all the issues we're fighting on. It

:21:14. > :21:17.will set out clearly the choice we have in this country. That's the

:21:18. > :21:21.important thing. Let me put the question to you again. Philip

:21:22. > :21:25.Hammond said this week your election promise in 2015 not to raise taxes

:21:26. > :21:31.had tied his hands when it came to managing the economy. I ask you, do

:21:32. > :21:36.you agree with him? You said no. Philip expressed his view as to what

:21:37. > :21:40.he would like. What I'm saying is in a few weeks' time we'll set the

:21:41. > :21:45.manifesto which will set the policies, agreed with the the

:21:46. > :21:48.Cabinet. He's Chancellor. Doesn't he determine what the economic part of

:21:49. > :21:54.the manifesto is? We'll talk about that in due course. Will you have a

:21:55. > :21:59.lock on the taxes that you locked in 2015 on income tax, VAT, national

:22:00. > :22:06.insurance? That will be decided. You'll see that when we publish the

:22:07. > :22:10.manifesto in a few weeks' time. Will you rule out the possibility taxes

:22:11. > :22:15.may have to rise under a future Conservative Party? Conservative

:22:16. > :22:21.Government. We've taken four million people out of tax. Now, on average,

:22:22. > :22:27.people are paying ?1200 less tax than they were on the same salaries

:22:28. > :22:29.in 2010. I'm very provide of that. I can assure you, the Conservative

:22:30. > :22:33.Party will want to see taxes reduced. It is the Labour Party

:22:34. > :22:39.which will put up taxes. We have the evidence where this he did so.

:22:40. > :22:45.Council tax went up by over 100%. You haven't reduced the tax burden

:22:46. > :22:50.as a percentage of the GDP is now going to reach its highest level

:22:51. > :22:56.since the mid-180s which was when Conservatives were in power. The tax

:22:57. > :22:59.burden in this country under your Government is rising? We've more

:23:00. > :23:02.people paying taxes which is something, because we've a growing

:23:03. > :23:07.economy and more people... What about the tax band? You said you

:23:08. > :23:12.reduced the tax burden on your own Government's figures is rising? We

:23:13. > :23:17.have reduced the tax burden. The threshold at which people start

:23:18. > :23:23.paying. These are tax rates not the tax burden. It is rising. The tax

:23:24. > :23:28.rates have been reduced. You said tax burden. Perhaps I misspoke. Tax

:23:29. > :23:36.rates have been reduced. We'll leave it there. No doubt we'll speak again

:23:37. > :23:37.between now and June Is France now about to make it

:23:38. > :23:42.a hat-trick of shocks The prospect terrifies

:23:43. > :23:45.the governing elite in Paris. But they're no less scared

:23:46. > :23:47.in Brussels and Berlin, given what it could mean

:23:48. > :23:49.for the whole EU project, never mind the huge potential impact

:23:50. > :24:09.on our own Brexit negotiations. 11 candidates are contesting

:24:10. > :24:12.the first round of the presidential Only the top two will go forward

:24:13. > :24:18.to the run-off on May 7th. For the first time since General De

:24:19. > :24:23.Gaulle created the fifth Republic in 1958, it's perfectly possible that

:24:24. > :24:27.no candidate from the ruling parties of the centre-left or the

:24:28. > :24:30.centre-right will even make it The election has been dominated by

:24:31. > :24:37.the hard right in the shape of the who's never been elected

:24:38. > :24:44.to anything and only started his own party

:24:45. > :24:46.a few months ago. And the far left in the form

:24:47. > :24:49.of Jean-Luc Melenchon, a former Trotskyite who has surged

:24:50. > :24:53.in the final weeks of the campaign. The only candidate left from the

:24:54. > :24:56.traditional governing parties is the centre-right's

:24:57. > :24:59.Francois Fillon and he's been struggling to stay in

:25:00. > :25:02.the race ever since it was revealed that his Welsh wife was being paid

:25:03. > :25:07.at generous public expense for a job I've just come across

:25:08. > :25:22.this magazine cover and it kind of sums up the mood

:25:23. > :25:25.of the French people. It's got the five main candidates

:25:26. > :25:28.for President here but it calls them the biggest liar, the biggest cheat,

:25:29. > :25:31.the biggest traitor, the most paranoid, the biggest demagogue,

:25:32. > :25:34.and it says they are the winners The four leading candidates,

:25:35. > :25:44.Le Pen, Melenchon, Macron and Fillon, or in with a chance

:25:45. > :25:48.of making it to the second round. Only a couple of points separates

:25:49. > :25:50.them in the polls, Frankly, no one has a clue what's

:25:51. > :25:56.going to happen. Of the four, there is a feeling that

:25:57. > :26:02.two of them may be President But the two of them may not find

:26:03. > :26:14.themselves in the second round. Somebody said to me that the man or

:26:15. > :26:28.woman on the Paris Metro has as much a chance of knowing

:26:29. > :26:32.who will win as the greatest experts Because the more expert you are

:26:33. > :26:39.the more you may be wrong. The country has largely

:26:40. > :26:44.stagnated for over a decade. One in ten are unemployed,

:26:45. > :26:47.one in four if you are unlucky Like Britain in the '70s there is

:26:48. > :26:51.the pervasive stench There are three keywords that come

:26:52. > :26:58.to mind. Anger, anger at the elite, and in

:26:59. > :27:05.particular the political elite. And an element of

:27:06. > :27:10.nostalgia for the past. These three words were decisive

:27:11. > :27:15.in the Brexit referendum. They are decisive in

:27:16. > :27:26.the French election. Identity and security has been

:27:27. > :27:30.as important in this election France is a proud nation, it worries

:27:31. > :27:37.about its future in Europe It seems bereft of ideas about how

:27:38. > :27:41.to deal with its largely Muslim migrant population, huge chunks of

:27:42. > :27:45.which are increasingly divorced It is quite simply exhausted by

:27:46. > :27:55.the never-ending Islamist terrorist attacks, the latest only days before

:27:56. > :27:59.voting in the iconic heart of this If Fillon or Macron emerge

:28:00. > :28:10.victorious then there will be continuity of sorts, though Fillon

:28:11. > :28:14.will struggle to implement his Thatcherite agenda and Macron will

:28:15. > :28:18.not be able to count on the support of the French parliament, the

:28:19. > :28:21.National Assembly, for his reforms. But if it's Le Pen or Jean-Luc

:28:22. > :28:27.Melenchon then all bets are off. Both are hardline French

:28:28. > :28:30.nationalists, anti the euro, anti the European Union, anti-fiscal

:28:31. > :28:33.discipline, anti the market, Either in the Elysee Palace

:28:34. > :28:42.would represent an existential Brexit would simply become

:28:43. > :28:51.a sideshow, the negotiations could just peter out as Brussels

:28:52. > :28:55.and Berlin had bigger fish to fry. We're joined now from

:28:56. > :29:07.Paris by the journalist 8th Welcome to the programme.

:29:08. > :29:11.Overshadowing the voting today was yet another appalling terrorist

:29:12. > :29:17.attack in Paris on Thursday night. Do we have any indications of how

:29:18. > :29:21.that's playing into the election? That initially people thought this

:29:22. > :29:27.has been almost foiled in that the police were there as a ramp up. One

:29:28. > :29:31.policeman was killed. But the terrorist did not spray the crowd

:29:32. > :29:36.with bullets. It was seen as not having much of an effect on the

:29:37. > :29:43.election. This has changed. We now know the policeman who was killed, a

:29:44. > :29:48.young man about to the promoted, he was at the Bataclan the night of the

:29:49. > :29:55.terror attack. He was a fighter for LGBT rights. The fact he was

:29:56. > :30:01.promoted, happy within his job, he has this fresh face. Sudden, he's

:30:02. > :30:07.one of us. It took perhaps 48 hours for the French to process this. But

:30:08. > :30:13.now they're angry and this may actually change the game, at least

:30:14. > :30:19.at the margins. To whose advantage? I would say the two who might

:30:20. > :30:23.benefit from this are Marine Le Pen, she's been absolutely

:30:24. > :30:28.anti-immigration, anti-anything. And made no bones about it as she

:30:29. > :30:32.immediately made rather strange announcement in which she'd said if

:30:33. > :30:36.she'd been president none of the terror attacks which happened in

:30:37. > :30:44.France would have happened. Francois Fillon has written a book two years

:30:45. > :30:48.ago called Combating Islamic Terrorism he's has an organised plan

:30:49. > :30:52.in his manifesto. Unlike Emmanuel Macron who stumbled when he was

:30:53. > :30:56.asked the evening this happened what he thought, he said, I can't dream

:30:57. > :31:00.up an anti-terror programme overnight. The question, of course,

:31:01. > :31:04.that arrows was this is not the sort of thing that's just happened

:31:05. > :31:09.overnight. It's been unfortunately the fate of France for many years.

:31:10. > :31:15.Let me ask you this finally, what ever the outcome on May 7th in the

:31:16. > :31:21.second round, who ever wins, would it be fair to say French politics

:31:22. > :31:24.will never be the same again? Yes. Absolutely it's a very strange

:31:25. > :31:28.thing. People have no become really excited about this. You cannot go

:31:29. > :31:33.anywhere without people discussing heatedly this election. The anger

:31:34. > :31:39.that was described is very accurate. Very true. There was this feeling as

:31:40. > :31:43.for the Brexit voters and the Trump voters, vast parts of the people

:31:44. > :31:50.were being talked down to by people who despised them. This has to

:31:51. > :31:55.change. If it doesn't change, we cannot predict what the future will

:31:56. > :32:00.be. We'll know the results or at least the ex-the Poll London time

:32:01. > :32:02.tonight at 8.00pm. Thank for joining us from the glorious heart of your

:32:03. > :32:06.city. Now, the Green Party currently has

:32:07. > :32:09.one MP and they'll be contesting many more seats in June

:32:10. > :32:12.as well as hoping to increase their presence on councils in

:32:13. > :32:14.the local elections on 4th May. Launching their campaign

:32:15. > :32:16.on Thursday, co-leader Caroline Lucas made

:32:17. > :32:18.a pitch to younger voters. When it comes to young

:32:19. > :32:20.people they've been But one crucial way they've been

:32:21. > :32:25.betrayed is by what this generation and this government and the previous

:32:26. > :32:28.ones have been doing when it comes We know we had the hottest year

:32:29. > :32:33.on record last year, you know, you almost think what else does

:32:34. > :32:35.the environment need to be doing All the signs are there

:32:36. > :32:39.and it is young people who are going to be bearing

:32:40. > :32:42.the brunt of a wrecked environment and that's why it's so important

:32:43. > :32:45.that when we come to making that pitch to, yes, the country at large

:32:46. > :32:48.but to young people in particular, I think climate change,

:32:49. > :32:50.the environment, looking after our precious resources,

:32:51. > :32:55.has to be up there. And I'm joined now by the Green

:32:56. > :33:09.MEP, Molly Scott Cato. Welcome back to the programme.

:33:10. > :33:13.Promised to scrap university tuition fees, increase NHS funding, rollback

:33:14. > :33:16.cuts to local councils spending, how much would that cost and how would

:33:17. > :33:20.you pay for it? Like the other parties we haven't got a costed

:33:21. > :33:23.manifesto yet, it's only a few days since the election was announced so

:33:24. > :33:27.I will come back and explain the figures. You don't know? Like every

:33:28. > :33:33.party we have not produced accosted manifesto yet, we produced one last

:33:34. > :33:36.time but public spending figures have changed so we're not in a

:33:37. > :33:41.position to do that but we will be in a week or so. What taxes would

:33:42. > :33:45.you like to consider raising? We would consider having higher taxes

:33:46. > :33:50.for the better off in society. I think we need to increase the amount

:33:51. > :33:53.of tax wealthier people pay. How do you define better off? I'm not

:33:54. > :33:59.entirely clear what the precise number would be but I think 100,000

:34:00. > :34:03.people would pay a bit more, 150,000 quite considerably more but the real

:34:04. > :34:06.focus needs to be on companies avoiding paying taxes. I work on

:34:07. > :34:09.that a lot in my role in the European Parliament, we see an

:34:10. > :34:12.enormous amount of tax avoidance by companies moving profits from

:34:13. > :34:16.country to country and we need European corporation to make that

:34:17. > :34:22.successful. It has not made much difference yet. We have made lots of

:34:23. > :34:25.changes. Google turned over $1 billion and only paid 25 million in

:34:26. > :34:30.taxes last year. There was a significant fine introduced by the

:34:31. > :34:34.competition commission on Apple and in the case of Google we must change

:34:35. > :34:40.the laws so that people cannot move profits from country to country.

:34:41. > :34:43.Everybody wants to do it. But you couldn't face a big spending

:34:44. > :34:47.programme on the ability to do that. You'd have to increase other taxes.

:34:48. > :34:50.If you look at the cost of free student tuition, tuition fees and

:34:51. > :34:53.also maintenance grants to students, that would come in at about 10

:34:54. > :34:57.billion a year. One way of paying for that would be to remove the

:34:58. > :35:00.upper threshold on National Insurance, bringing in 20 billion a

:35:01. > :35:05.year, that's the order of magnitude we are talking about. It is not

:35:06. > :35:09.vast, and some of the proposals we have... That would be an increase on

:35:10. > :35:15.the better of tax? National Insurance on people earning...

:35:16. > :35:20.People earning above 42,000. You would have another 10% tax above

:35:21. > :35:25.42,000? I can't remember exactly how much the National Insurance rate

:35:26. > :35:30.changes by. But in government figures it would be 28 billion

:35:31. > :35:33.raised. I think it is up to 45, a bit more you pay a marginal rate of

:35:34. > :35:38.40%, you would have them pay a marginal rate of over 50%? We would

:35:39. > :35:42.put the National Insurance rate on higher incomes the same as it is on

:35:43. > :35:46.lower incomes. If you are a school head of an English department on 50,

:35:47. > :35:52.60,000 a year you would face a marginal rate under U of over 50%?

:35:53. > :35:57.It is not useful to do this as a mental maths exercise but if you

:35:58. > :36:01.look at other proposals would could have a landlord licensing system,

:36:02. > :36:04.longer term leases on properties, so young people particularly, but also

:36:05. > :36:07.older people who rent, could have more security which needn't cost

:36:08. > :36:11.anything. We could insist on landlords paying for that. The

:36:12. > :36:15.mental arithmetic seems clear but we will come back to that. How is the

:36:16. > :36:20.Progressive Alliance coming? It is going well, I have heard of a lot of

:36:21. > :36:25.interest at local level. Winterset this in contest, context, lots of

:36:26. > :36:29.progressives are concerned about the crisis in public services, prisons,

:36:30. > :36:33.social care system, and also about the Tories' hard extreme Brexit they

:36:34. > :36:38.are threatening. You want the left to come together? Theresa May has

:36:39. > :36:41.given us opportunity, she has taken a risk because she has problems with

:36:42. > :36:44.backbenchers, she doesn't think she can get through Brexit with a small

:36:45. > :36:48.majority so there is an opportunity and we are saying progressives must

:36:49. > :36:50.come together to corporate, Conservatives are effective at using

:36:51. > :36:56.the first-past-the-post system and we have to become effective as well.

:36:57. > :36:59.Do you accept this Progressive Alliance cannot become the

:37:00. > :37:03.government and Mr Corbyn is the Prime Minister? How could it happen

:37:04. > :37:06.otherwise? I think that is a secondary question. For me the

:37:07. > :37:10.primary question is who do people choose to vote for? Aluminium

:37:11. > :37:14.government afterwards comes after the election. In most countries that

:37:15. > :37:17.is the case. I understand that but we have the system we have and you

:37:18. > :37:21.accept this Progressive Alliance cannot be in power and thus mystical

:37:22. > :37:24.Burmese Prime Minister? Personally I think Mr Corbyn is less of a threat

:37:25. > :37:27.to the country than Theresa May, she has shown herself to be an

:37:28. > :37:33.authoritarian leader and she has said she doesn't want to have

:37:34. > :37:35.dissidents, which I would say is reasonable opposition, and what we

:37:36. > :37:38.are suggesting at the moment is there is a way of avoiding that very

:37:39. > :37:41.hard Brexit and damage to public services. You'd be happy to pay the

:37:42. > :37:46.price of having Mr Corbyn as Prime Minister? I do not see that as a

:37:47. > :37:49.price. People have the choice of Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May as

:37:50. > :37:54.Prime Minister, that's the system that works. You would prefer Mr

:37:55. > :37:56.Corbyn? I would but votes are translated into seats and the

:37:57. > :37:58.Progressive Alliance is a step towards that.

:37:59. > :38:00.It's just gone 3:50pm, you're watching the Sunday Politics.

:38:01. > :38:02.We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, Wales

:38:03. > :38:04.and Northern Ireland who leave us now.

:38:05. > :38:13.Coming up here in 20 minutes, the Week Ahead.

:38:14. > :38:17.Hello, and a warm welcome to your local part of the show.

:38:18. > :38:20.This week, what else but the general election?

:38:21. > :38:23.Theresa May's decision to call a snap poll has left many voters,

:38:24. > :38:29.We'll all have to endure more electioneering,

:38:30. > :38:32.But could this poll change the political landscape

:38:33. > :38:37.And, as if one big election wasn't enough, we'll also take a look

:38:38. > :38:40.at whether local elections in our region on May 4th will give

:38:41. > :38:45.And with me in a crowded studio to discuss all that

:38:46. > :38:47.are Anne-Marie Trevelyan, the Conservative MP for Berwick,

:38:48. > :38:51.Workington Labour MP Sue Hayman, Jonathan Arnott, UKIP's North East

:38:52. > :38:55.MEP, and, yes you can yell house now, we also have Sunderland Lib Dem

:38:56. > :39:02.Well, at the start of this week we were wondering what we might talk

:39:03. > :39:06.Now, of course, we're having to pack it all in.

:39:07. > :39:10.So on June 8th, or just after, we'll have a clearer picture of how

:39:11. > :39:12.the political geography of our region has been affected

:39:13. > :39:26.Sue Hayman, as Theresa May made her announcement, what was your feeling?

:39:27. > :39:30.I said that I welcomed it because now voters have got an opportunity

:39:31. > :39:34.to vote for a Labour government that will stand up for ordinary people,

:39:35. > :39:38.shout out for everybody in this country to have a proper opposition

:39:39. > :39:45.against a Tory government that really has been failing working

:39:46. > :39:48.people. Do you think all the parties are as enthusiastic as you say you

:39:49. > :39:54.are? We get into elections to fight them to wind and that is what we

:39:55. > :39:57.will do. Anne-Marie Trevelyan, any vertical party would be tempted, it

:39:58. > :40:03.would be pointers to say you wouldn't be, but let's not pretend

:40:04. > :40:05.this is about the national interest. This is about the Conservatives

:40:06. > :40:10.sensing Labour blood. The Prime Minister has been clear that there

:40:11. > :40:16.is a political dimensional, and despite the fixed in Parliament act,

:40:17. > :40:19.it shows Labour have come forward so that when there is a need to get the

:40:20. > :40:25.clarity from the electorate, and that is what the Prime Minister

:40:26. > :40:27.wants. She also wants a huge Conservative majority. If that is

:40:28. > :40:33.what the electorate choose to give her so she can move forward with

:40:34. > :40:39.Brexit with real clarity and that support the height, that would be

:40:40. > :40:44.fantastic. Niall Hodson, even how about 2015 was for you in this

:40:45. > :40:49.region, I assume you want a chance to bounce back from what was a near

:40:50. > :40:53.death experience. We are straight out of the blocks, we have all our

:40:54. > :40:56.candidates in place, we are raring to go and we have been out on the

:40:57. > :41:01.campaign trail this weekend. It is all systems go. Do you sense you

:41:02. > :41:06.have been forgiven for being in coalition with the Conservatives?

:41:07. > :41:10.Time has moved on so quickly since then, so much has happened, it is

:41:11. > :41:13.almost in relevant. There are completely different issues on the

:41:14. > :41:18.table. It is looking at a situation now where the noble Democrats could

:41:19. > :41:25.take a great deal of seats from the Tories and we are only party in a

:41:26. > :41:31.position to do so. Jonathan after it -- Jonathan Arnott, the Conservative

:41:32. > :41:34.government is delivering potentially the kind of Brexit that your voters

:41:35. > :41:40.would want. It could not have come at a worse time for the party, could

:41:41. > :41:44.it? I am a Democrat, I believe in elections. I want the people to have

:41:45. > :41:48.as much of a say as possible. Of course there are questions of trust.

:41:49. > :41:52.When a Prime Minister tells you time and time again they will not be a

:41:53. > :41:56.snap election and then calls one, that is the kind of politics that

:41:57. > :42:02.people don't want. But I think when you look at the areas in which Ukip

:42:03. > :42:11.are doing well in, Ukip are on the up, and I think they are still on

:42:12. > :42:16.the up in those areas. You know, I think if you believe in democracy,

:42:17. > :42:21.then actually having an election is never going to be a bad thing. Apart

:42:22. > :42:25.from that point I made, Theresa May saying there was not going to be won

:42:26. > :42:29.and then doing it, that does not go down well. We will see.

:42:30. > :42:34.Just after Jimmy Yates will have a clear idea of how our medical

:42:35. > :42:37.geography has been affected in our region. The election could be a

:42:38. > :42:45.bruising one for Labour. So could some Labour seats fall

:42:46. > :42:48.to the Conservatives? And will UKIP break

:42:49. > :42:51.through or break apart? Luke Walton has been

:42:52. > :42:53.to a key battleground in Teesside where Labour faces

:42:54. > :43:01.a particularly fierce contest. Market day in Guisborough,

:43:02. > :43:03.the town has been trading for centuries and is also a place

:43:04. > :43:06.where political control has been It is part of a constituency

:43:07. > :43:09.that has been labour for the past 20 years,

:43:10. > :43:13.but being conservative before them. And there's mixed opinions

:43:14. > :43:16.about going to the ballot box again. You get sick of them

:43:17. > :43:19.because they promise you the earth I don't welcome it,

:43:20. > :43:27.but I think it will be a good Why, because it will

:43:28. > :43:31.decide some things? I think it will, people get sick

:43:32. > :43:34.of all the elections and everything but at the end of the day,

:43:35. > :43:37.if it brings the country together, The Conservative lead in the polls

:43:38. > :43:42.means Labour have faces a hard sell in this campaign,

:43:43. > :43:44.and in this constituency, it will have to do it

:43:45. > :43:46.without the sitting MP Tom He announced this week

:43:47. > :43:50.he is standing down, due to what he says are irreconcilable

:43:51. > :43:54.differences with Jeremy Corbyn. And he is not the only one

:43:55. > :43:58.with doubts about the Labour leader. You have only got to look at

:43:59. > :44:06.Tom Blenkinsop who is not standing. Marjorie has been a Labour voter

:44:07. > :44:11.for more than 50 years. Like I say, we have been Labour

:44:12. > :44:16.all our lives, but Jeremy Corbyn, when I watch on television,

:44:17. > :44:17.he irritates me. But for businessman Abdul,

:44:18. > :44:30.the Labour leader's anti-establishment style

:44:31. > :44:33.is a positive. I personally think he is a breath

:44:34. > :44:36.of fresh air for politics. He is honest, straightforward,

:44:37. > :44:46.a regular guy. The other establishment,

:44:47. > :44:49.it is all a bit too complex and too Pitching the right product,

:44:50. > :44:54.whether yellow, red or blue is important for political parties

:44:55. > :44:59.as it is for market traders. For Theresa May, the promise

:45:00. > :45:03.is strong Brexit. For some of her opponents,

:45:04. > :45:05.a break with austerity. So what is the issue that will seal

:45:06. > :45:08.the deal with voters? The EU is the most important

:45:09. > :45:12.at the present moment. A strong government is going to get

:45:13. > :45:17.the country the best deal possible. Working people get tax

:45:18. > :45:19.taken off them a lot I think the whole

:45:20. > :45:23.situation is wrong. So you think working

:45:24. > :45:27.people need a better The marginals being defended

:45:28. > :45:32.by Labour include Hartlepool, With Workington also

:45:33. > :45:37.potentially vulnerable. Battleground seats being defended

:45:38. > :45:40.by the Conservatives include Copeland, Carlisle

:45:41. > :45:43.and Stockton South. In a region long a Labour

:45:44. > :45:46.stronghold, it is the party The Labour Party is still

:45:47. > :45:57.across the region in a strong position in most seats and is likely

:45:58. > :46:00.to win most seats, but they are being more strongly

:46:01. > :46:02.challenged in more places than they have been

:46:03. > :46:09.in living memory. but elsewhere it is the colours

:46:10. > :46:19.in Middlesbrough South, but elsewhere it is a different

:46:20. > :46:21.party colours of Ukip and the Lib Dems which are adding

:46:22. > :46:23.to an unpredictable Less than seven weeks before

:46:24. > :46:33.voters take their pick. The Conservatives took your

:46:34. > :46:37.neighbouring constituency of Copland. This election is going to

:46:38. > :46:41.be about limiting losses rather than about really trying to get into

:46:42. > :46:46.government, isn't it? The only poll that matter is what it will happen

:46:47. > :46:49.on May the 4th in the local elections and in the General

:46:50. > :46:54.Election on June the 8th. Theresa May once this election to be just

:46:55. > :46:57.about Brexit, but it won't be. To me that is a smoke screen because they

:46:58. > :47:01.are trying to hide the huge cuts that have been made to public

:47:02. > :47:04.services which affect the most vulnerable people in society the

:47:05. > :47:09.most. There is so much more to this collection that people will be

:47:10. > :47:13.looking at. The pulse can be wrong, but you are 20 points behind in the

:47:14. > :47:18.polls which would suggest some of these seeds you could almost write

:47:19. > :47:23.off. Your seat would go Conservative, are you worried about

:47:24. > :47:26.it? Well, polling does not necessarily mean what a result is

:47:27. > :47:31.going to be. I am going to fight hard for my seat, I have worked hard

:47:32. > :47:35.since I was elected two years ago. You should not be in that position

:47:36. > :47:39.where you should have two defend your seat, you should be trying to

:47:40. > :47:42.win Stockton South, Carlisle, but the reality is you will be defending

:47:43. > :47:47.your seat in Cumbria are not looking to win any others. This election is

:47:48. > :47:50.about choice. For a Labour government it will stand up for

:47:51. > :47:57.working people, and a Tory government that has failed. Well you

:47:58. > :48:02.will not address directly the point. Anne-Marie Trevelyan, you one last

:48:03. > :48:06.time with a good majority, but the Lib Dems may be thinking you can

:48:07. > :48:20.harness all the remaining voters in your constituency. I got in in 2015

:48:21. > :48:24.and have worked hard, I have secured funding to bring new investment into

:48:25. > :48:31.Eric and another of practical investment issues, so I hope the

:48:32. > :48:36.local electorate will give me the chance to continue working hard.

:48:37. > :48:40.Tony Blair today said he believes anyone who voted to remain should

:48:41. > :48:45.look at me at who is standing and not vote on an MP who will vote on

:48:46. > :48:52.the Brexit deal and just wave it through. That is you, isn't it? Tony

:48:53. > :48:57.Blair is entitled to encourage... But you are not going to question

:48:58. > :49:04.the Brexit deal, are you? I believe that we should be leaving the EU,

:49:05. > :49:08.which we will now do. I believe we need to take back our own laws,

:49:09. > :49:12.leave the single market, so we are no longer under the jurisdiction of

:49:13. > :49:18.the European Court of Justice. Brexit to me means having control of

:49:19. > :49:21.our laws and our borders. That is what the Prime Minister is heading

:49:22. > :49:27.towards. Jonathan Arnott, if you are honest, one seat is going to

:49:28. > :49:33.interest you, which is Hartlepool. The rest of them, you might as well

:49:34. > :49:37.forget. I think we will do well in Hartlepool, of course, but remember

:49:38. > :49:41.that in 11 of the constituencies across the region Ukip other party

:49:42. > :49:45.in second place. It does beg the question, if Labour have a huge

:49:46. > :49:51.meltdown, then we could be the beneficiaries. It would be foolhardy

:49:52. > :49:56.to put all our eggs in one basket. Was 2015 the high watermark? I don't

:49:57. > :50:04.dispute Hartlepool is a target for you, but the rest of them, you will

:50:05. > :50:08.just make waves. In 11 of those we are the party in second place, and

:50:09. > :50:11.that does make a big difference. Our number one target in this region is

:50:12. > :50:17.going to be the seat that we can win. We don't know who the candidate

:50:18. > :50:23.is going to be yet, there will be a hustings on Wednesday night. I may

:50:24. > :50:29.or may not be there. I am not committing to anything live on-air.

:50:30. > :50:35.We have got some great people. Niall Hodson, the problem is, your party

:50:36. > :50:39.is fighting a battle here because six out of ten voters in the

:50:40. > :50:43.north-east backed Brexit in the referendum, and you are going to be

:50:44. > :50:51.the party saying you will stop it. Which means four out of ten didn't.

:50:52. > :50:56.Sue is right to say this is not just about back said. We are potentially

:50:57. > :50:59.giving the reins to an extremely right-wing Tory government and

:51:00. > :51:03.giving them free rein if they get such a large majority to do whatever

:51:04. > :51:08.they like. That comes down to affecting our welfare state, the

:51:09. > :51:14.NHS, local councils. It is a serious matter beyond Brexit. I think it

:51:15. > :51:18.suits Theresa May to have this as a Brexit election. But the danger is

:51:19. > :51:23.that you harvest some of the Remain voters, hand the victory to a

:51:24. > :51:30.pro-Brexit Conservative. If you want to stop exit in this region, you

:51:31. > :51:35.vote Labour. That is rubbish. You need to vote Liberal Democrat. We

:51:36. > :51:40.heard earlier this week, an MP saying this is an election Labour

:51:41. > :51:42.can't win. The Liberal Democrats do expect to win seat and we need them

:51:43. > :51:49.in order to percent opposition to in order to percent opposition to

:51:50. > :51:52.the Tories. Helen Goodman said this election is not going to be about

:51:53. > :51:56.who is Prime Minister or who is in government. It strikes me as

:51:57. > :52:01.something a lot of Labour MPs might do, to say this is a personal vote

:52:02. > :52:06.for me, your neighbour John Woodcock has already said he will not support

:52:07. > :52:10.Jeremy Corbyn. That is a bizarre message to go into this election

:52:11. > :52:14.with, isn't it? I am going into this election to win my seat again, and

:52:15. > :52:19.government because that is what we government because that is what we

:52:20. > :52:23.get into elections to do. We do welcome Jeremy Corbyn with open arms

:52:24. > :52:26.to your constituency? I will have to wait and see if he wants to come all

:52:27. > :52:31.this way up to the west Cumbria. I am happy to welcome anyone who wants

:52:32. > :52:35.to support me in this election. Will you put on your leaflet that you

:52:36. > :52:39.would like him to be the next by Minister? We are looking at what our

:52:40. > :52:44.leaflets will say at the moment, I can't say what will be on our

:52:45. > :52:49.leaflet and what won't be. There was a dispute about whether he is a

:52:50. > :52:54.liability on the doorstep, so was he a liability in a constituency like

:52:55. > :52:59.West Cumbria where the nuclear industry is so important? Jeremy

:53:00. > :53:04.Corbyn came up to Copeland, as did many other frontbenchers and what

:53:05. > :53:11.are we hard. It was a disappointing result, I cannot deny that.

:53:12. > :53:15.Anne-Marie Trevelyan, if Labour does manage to shift the election agenda

:53:16. > :53:19.away from Brexit, let's talk about the state of the health service,

:53:20. > :53:22.school funding, the fact that we might create jobs but pay has gone

:53:23. > :53:27.down, there could be more difficulties for your party. What

:53:28. > :53:29.worries me most is about issues regarding the defence of the nation

:53:30. > :53:35.and the fact that Jeremy Corbyn still can't decide how he would look

:53:36. > :53:43.after and use our Armed Forces. That sort of chaotic leadership is

:53:44. > :53:49.terrifying, and therefore there is... What about the NHS? We have a

:53:50. > :53:57.lot more nurses in the NHS than we had two years ago. We are moving in

:53:58. > :54:00.the right direction. We are getting older, complex medical needs will

:54:01. > :54:04.grow and we will need to increase the number of medical students

:54:05. > :54:07.coming into the system, but we are continually growing that bill. These

:54:08. > :54:09.are issues we must continue to talk about.

:54:10. > :54:11.Well, amidst all the excitement about the general election,

:54:12. > :54:14.it's easy to forget that there are also important local polls

:54:15. > :54:17.But frankly we aren't going to let you forget.

:54:18. > :54:21.But given this week's events, will they just be a barometer of how

:54:22. > :54:24.the General Election might go or will local issues be to the fore.

:54:25. > :54:26.Here's David Macmillan with a round-up of what's happening

:54:27. > :54:29.where, and what's at stake via the medium of ice cream.

:54:30. > :54:32.The red one, the blue one, the purple, orange or green one.

:54:33. > :54:38.It is a choice we will be making over the next two months.

:54:39. > :54:43.The local elections are always seen as an indicator of how the parties

:54:44. > :54:47.are doing nationally, but it is rare to have it in such

:54:48. > :54:50.sharp focus as it will be this year with the General Election

:54:51. > :54:53.They will tell us whether this northern Labour heartland

:54:54. > :54:59.is seriously flirting with the Conservatives.

:55:00. > :55:07.We have flirted with the switch from Labour to something else,

:55:08. > :55:10.we have elected monkeys, are we going to be prepared to move

:55:11. > :55:16.Here in County Durham, Labour are defending a big majority.

:55:17. > :55:19.In North Yorkshire, the Conservatives have

:55:20. > :55:23.Labour have run a minority administration in Northumberland,

:55:24. > :55:25.and in Cumbria they have been in coalition with

:55:26. > :55:28.There are two mayoral elections as well, in Labour

:55:29. > :55:31.held North Tyneside, and the new Tees Valley Metro Mayor.

:55:32. > :55:34.So what issues are on people's minds in County Durham as they prepare

:55:35. > :55:46.There is homelessness that needs tackling.

:55:47. > :55:49.The facilities are getting closed or undermined.

:55:50. > :55:52.And the dominant issue in recent years has been austerity.

:55:53. > :55:54.They are going to be judged on the very, very difficult

:55:55. > :55:58.decisions they have made about cutting wages

:55:59. > :56:03.for members of staff, closing very popular services,

:56:04. > :56:07.libraries, leisure centres, so people are going to be making

:56:08. > :56:10.that sort of local judgment on how well the councils have responded

:56:11. > :56:16.There's an array of delicious things to choose from here

:56:17. > :56:21.Whoever is leading our councils on May 5th will hope they have more

:56:22. > :56:24.palatable choices to make over the next four years than local

:56:25. > :56:34.authorities have faced over the last four.

:56:35. > :56:41.Anne-Marie Trevelyan, these council elections are being fought in the

:56:42. > :56:45.context of years of budget cuts, everyone accepts that, but

:56:46. > :56:50.particularly the budget cuts have been worse here, and people will be

:56:51. > :56:53.entitled to say it is a Conservative government that has ensured that

:56:54. > :56:57.north-east councils have suffered. We have changed the way funding is

:56:58. > :57:01.going, so business rates are coming to councils, and councils have been

:57:02. > :57:07.asked to look at doing a cover services, so Northumberland county

:57:08. > :57:10.council and so on are doing more at office services using taxpayers

:57:11. > :57:14.money as efficiently as possible. The last four years have been a tale

:57:15. > :57:17.of reduced budgets and councils have been forced into difficult

:57:18. > :57:20.decisions, and they come from cuts that have come from your government.

:57:21. > :57:29.I am afraid that across-the-board there were needs to make but cross

:57:30. > :57:32.the board. There is a question of raising business rates, and that is

:57:33. > :57:36.improving because the system in place is better and encourages the

:57:37. > :57:41.council to support business. The council is more proactive than

:57:42. > :57:44.before, the council is supporting the industry because they know they

:57:45. > :57:52.will seek money coming in. And there is an increase of the social care

:57:53. > :57:55.budget will stop. This will be another tough election for you, Sue

:57:56. > :57:59.Hayman potentially, because of those budget funding cuts have come from

:58:00. > :58:03.above are haps, Labour will get the blame for individual decisions

:58:04. > :58:07.because the perception is they could have done something different. In

:58:08. > :58:12.Cumbria, the Labour Party is in coalition with the Lib Dems, and we

:58:13. > :58:15.have had huge cuts to the local government and spending budgets in

:58:16. > :58:20.Cumbria. Anne-Marie Trevelyan talked about business rates, and that will

:58:21. > :58:28.be all we will be relying on seeing because the government is farming

:58:29. > :58:35.out support to local councils. Funding used to be done by need. You

:58:36. > :58:38.could apply for what you needed. Did you accept that Labour must take the

:58:39. > :58:45.blame for some of the decisions that have been taken in cutting services?

:58:46. > :58:48.The Labour Party and the Lib Dems worked together, they work a budget

:58:49. > :58:53.that will do the best they can with the existing funds for the local

:58:54. > :58:58.people of Cumbria. One of the things you have to accept is in a county

:58:59. > :59:01.like Cumbria, it costs a lot more to deliver services like social care,

:59:02. > :59:06.and that is not taken account of any more. We will talk to our guest

:59:07. > :59:07.again in a moment, but I did want to talk to the Green Party who says

:59:08. > :59:11.they offer a unique toys to voters. We are not left, we are not

:59:12. > :59:14.right, we are green. We are not tied to

:59:15. > :59:15.any fixed ideology. Whatever will reduce the impact

:59:16. > :59:18.of climate change and improve quality of life is what the Greens

:59:19. > :59:21.go with, and we prefer evidence based tried and tested policies,

:59:22. > :59:31.instead of knee jerk reactions. Jonathan Arnott, you were meant to

:59:32. > :59:36.be the main rivals for Labour in this region, but there are dozens of

:59:37. > :59:42.seats in the selection whether I know Ukip candidates. It is not the

:59:43. > :59:46.sign of a major party. I could sit here and I could make a lot of

:59:47. > :59:51.excuses, I could talk about our best ideas not being opened and so one,

:59:52. > :59:57.or whatever, but you are right, it is not good enough. That is honest,

:59:58. > :00:01.fair enough. Niall Hodson, even your party is struggling to build up

:00:02. > :00:08.enough support to field more candidates. Even though you are the

:00:09. > :00:16.second largest party. Durham is a difficult council. It is tricky and

:00:17. > :00:19.four us in the north-east, it is a matter of rebuilding, getting back

:00:20. > :00:24.to where we were pre-2013 particular. But we do have a lot of

:00:25. > :00:28.candidates up and we do hope to make steady gains across the elections.

:00:29. > :00:33.As we have been doing over the past couple of years. Jonathan are not,

:00:34. > :00:36.do you hope you will get seats on the council because there is no

:00:37. > :00:40.chance of you controlling any of them. Yes, I think we have a number

:00:41. > :00:46.of seats where we expect to do pretty well. Also, you mentioned

:00:47. > :00:50.Hartlepool earlier, we have got a by-election coming up that we have

:00:51. > :00:54.got some incredibly good responses coming back and we hope to do

:00:55. > :00:57.incredibly well in that. I would say that there are a couple of seats in

:00:58. > :00:59.the south-east and Northumberland where we think we could win. Thank

:01:00. > :01:00.you. I'm off to brush up

:01:01. > :01:03.on my majorities. Something I often do

:01:04. > :01:05.on a Sunday evening. Next Sunday we'll have a special

:01:06. > :01:07.debate between the candidates who want to be Tees Valley's

:01:08. > :01:08.first elected mayor. on issues like the NHS. Run out of

:01:09. > :01:17.time. Andrew, back to you. Now, Ukip have made their first

:01:18. > :01:24.significant policy announcement of the election campaign today

:01:25. > :01:29.with a call for a ban on wearing But is it a policy that will meet

:01:30. > :01:35.with the approval of the man who bankrolled the party's last

:01:36. > :01:43.general election campaign? Hello, Andrew. Let me see if I can

:01:44. > :01:48.clarify some things, are you a member of Ukip? I a patron of Ukip

:01:49. > :01:53.so I don't stop being a member. So you are still a member? I am,

:01:54. > :02:00.apparently for life. Are you still hoping to bankroll Ukip? Not at the

:02:01. > :02:04.moment. Why is that? The internal problems we have had in Ukip have

:02:05. > :02:09.been aired, and a lot needs to happen in the party in terms of

:02:10. > :02:13.professionalising it and I think it is ill-prepared for this general

:02:14. > :02:22.election. Are you going to run in Clacton? I will be if selected. For

:02:23. > :02:26.Ukip? Yes. Have you been to Clacton? I've been with Nigel Mansell on the

:02:27. > :02:29.campaign. You will run for a constituency you've only been in

:02:30. > :02:35.once? Yes, why does that surprise you? You know nothing about it. I've

:02:36. > :02:40.just recently decided to become the candidate there. Did you know where

:02:41. > :02:43.it is? Of course I do, your piece the other night was completely

:02:44. > :02:48.wrong. I said I knew where it was but I didn't know much about it.

:02:49. > :02:57.Maybe the people of Clacton will regard you as a carpetbagger? Why?

:02:58. > :03:01.Because you have never been there. Most politicians are carpetbaggers

:03:02. > :03:06.and I will be there for the right reasons. I thought it was because of

:03:07. > :03:10.your visceral hatred of Douglas Carswell. He only lasted 24 hours

:03:11. > :03:13.after I announced my candidacy so we will see what happens. The main

:03:14. > :03:17.thing I am going to Clacton on Monday to meet the Ukip councillors,

:03:18. > :03:21.see what the issues are and see if they want me as a candidate. They

:03:22. > :03:27.may not want me. Who do you think you will be up against? The

:03:28. > :03:32.potential Conservative candidate. Who in Ukip? I don't suppose anyone

:03:33. > :03:40.in Ukip will stand against me, I wouldn't have thought. Really? I

:03:41. > :03:45.would have thought. Money talks! Why do you say that? You talked about

:03:46. > :03:48.having a pirate radio station to blast into Clacton so it is not

:03:49. > :03:52.covered by the election rules. You've been talking about financing

:03:53. > :03:58.a sort of right-wing Momentum movement. I just wonder, has

:03:59. > :04:01.politics now just become a Richmond's hobby? From my

:04:02. > :04:05.perspective the reason I'm interested in it is if you have

:04:06. > :04:06.looked at what has happened in the country, it's clear the

:04:07. > :04:15.Conservatives will have a massive majority. -- has politics become a

:04:16. > :04:21.rich man's hobby. Only putting up candidates not against Brexit MPs.

:04:22. > :04:24.Is Ukip over? I don't think so. The electoral maths is interesting

:04:25. > :04:34.because first-past-the-post effectively could help Ukip in this

:04:35. > :04:38.example. Ukip got one MP with 4 million votes. What we are seeing is

:04:39. > :04:41.the total collapse of Labour. In that situation there are certain

:04:42. > :04:44.seats up north in Hartlepool and other seats like that, the total

:04:45. > :04:50.collapse of the Labour Party could help Ukip to win a few seats. Is

:04:51. > :04:54.Ukip over? It looks that way, yes. They haven't made much of a dent in

:04:55. > :04:57.Labour's vote in the north, they don't really have a defining issue

:04:58. > :05:02.anymore and all the polls we have seen published since the election

:05:03. > :05:07.was called show Ukip vote is going to the Conservatives. Is Ukip over?

:05:08. > :05:11.It always happens when the Conservative Party goes far to the

:05:12. > :05:16.right, really hard Brexit, there is no space for BMP, Ukip and all of

:05:17. > :05:21.that. Are you associating the BNP with Ukip? Or that, movements to the

:05:22. > :05:26.right of the Conservatives get eaten up one the Conservatives move as far

:05:27. > :05:31.right as Theresa May has done. I think what your enterprise shows is

:05:32. > :05:34.how it's really time to reform funding of political parties. It is

:05:35. > :05:39.disgraceful that very rich people can move in and bankroll the Brexit

:05:40. > :05:46.campaigned to the extent that they did. We need proper state funding of

:05:47. > :05:54.parties. The union is bankrolling Labour. I assume the reform would

:05:55. > :05:57.include trade unions? Indeed. Ukip has lost its talisman in Nigel

:05:58. > :06:02.Farage, it was a one-man party, I have to say, people like Tim. Having

:06:03. > :06:06.voted for Brexit its reason to be has gone. It will still take votes

:06:07. > :06:10.from Labour and the Conservatives but probably only from the don't

:06:11. > :06:14.knows. There are seats in certain places where if enough Tories back

:06:15. > :06:20.Ukip dated when. Hartlepool is an example. Were the Tories will never

:06:21. > :06:23.win. The demise of Ukip has been forecasted many times before but I

:06:24. > :06:27.don't see a Tory candidate winning in a place like Hartlepool. So we

:06:28. > :06:32.could see, and I think we will see, the total collapse of the Labour

:06:33. > :06:35.vote. We shall see. The leader of the party of which you say you are

:06:36. > :06:41.still a patron, Paul Nuttall, said he would ban the Burcea and the

:06:42. > :06:48.niqab in public, what is your view? -- the niqab and the Burcea? I'm not

:06:49. > :06:52.in agreement with that. If it is a security issue at airports or public

:06:53. > :06:56.transport it could be acceptable but I'm not in favour of curtailing

:06:57. > :07:01.people's writes. You have gone further than him, haven't you? You

:07:02. > :07:04.tweeted you wanted to ban Muslim immigration. In my view the problem

:07:05. > :07:07.we have had with the lack of integration in certain communities

:07:08. > :07:12.has come about through mass open-door immigration. If you are a

:07:13. > :07:18.must win you wouldn't be allowed in? What I said in the tweet was I think

:07:19. > :07:24.they should be a ban on immigration... You said Muslim

:07:25. > :07:26.immigration. That's what I believe. If you are a world famous doctor

:07:27. > :07:30.coming to help one of our big teaching hospitals in this country

:07:31. > :07:33.because you are a Muslim you could not get in? We have to start

:07:34. > :07:36.somewhere, there are huge problems in areas where 20% of the population

:07:37. > :07:42.don't speak the language, they haven't integrated. You should read

:07:43. > :07:47.the rest of the tweet, it is control of immigration from a 10-year ban on

:07:48. > :07:51.unskilled immigration. The first thing you said was to ban Muslim

:07:52. > :07:55.immigration, it is in black and white. I have said that, I do not

:07:56. > :07:59.dispute that. I was questioning that. There is my answer, you cannot

:08:00. > :08:03.tell somebody's will adjust freedoms but what you can do is stop adding

:08:04. > :08:08.to the problem. Doesn't that sound a bit like the BNP? It's as like BNP

:08:09. > :08:12.and like Trump. Its, we hate Muslims, fine, if that is what you

:08:13. > :08:17.are standing for, that is clear. The final word is we have had open-door

:08:18. > :08:20.mass immigration from the Conservative Party, we've had it

:08:21. > :08:24.from the Labour Party and its fine if you are in north London to say

:08:25. > :08:27.these things, if you live in Oldham and your community has been

:08:28. > :08:30.radically changed and you have a whole population not integrating in,

:08:31. > :08:34.not speaking the language, something has got to be done. We had better

:08:35. > :08:37.leave it there. Thank you for coming in. I am en route to Clacton. We

:08:38. > :08:39.will see how you get on there. Now, Lib Dem leader Tim Farron

:08:40. > :08:42.was on TV earlier today and he was asked again

:08:43. > :08:45.about an issue that he's been asked about repeatedly -

:08:46. > :08:47.his attitude to homosexuality. when they asked you whether gay sex

:08:48. > :08:57.was a sin. Come on, Robert, I've been

:08:58. > :08:59.asked this question loads few days and I have been clear,

:09:00. > :09:03.even in the House of Commons, It's possible I'm not the only

:09:04. > :09:13.person getting tired Probably, but then why don't

:09:14. > :09:26.you just close it down? Toby Young, why does he get into

:09:27. > :09:31.such a mess over this? I mean, he is leader of the Liberal Democrats. Its

:09:32. > :09:34.2017. I guess the reason he keeps refusing to answer that question is

:09:35. > :09:41.because what the implication is that he does think that homosexual acts

:09:42. > :09:45.are sinful, and he cannot bring himself not to say that, or to say

:09:46. > :09:48.what Robert Peston and others want him to say because he is an

:09:49. > :09:53.evangelical Christian who converted at the age of 20, 21, and clearly he

:09:54. > :09:57.really struggles with this issue and I think it will be really difficult

:09:58. > :10:01.for the Lib Dems to promote, or even Lib Dem candidates like Vince Cable,

:10:02. > :10:04.to promote the idea of the Progressive Alliance even though Tim

:10:05. > :10:13.has ruled it out, if he is not prepared to say I don't think

:10:14. > :10:16.homosexual acts are sinful. What is your view? It is disastrous if that

:10:17. > :10:19.is what he really thinks but Preston did not push the hard. I'm not sure

:10:20. > :10:21.he understood the difference about the question between gay sex and

:10:22. > :10:25.being gay. I think he just thought he was going on saying I'm not

:10:26. > :10:29.anti-gay. He needs to command immediately and clarify it. If you

:10:30. > :10:33.are right and he does actually think it is a sin he is in real trouble.

:10:34. > :10:38.There is a slight parallel with what police said before about Jeremy

:10:39. > :10:42.Corbyn, how his unilateral nuclear policy would appeal to the hard core

:10:43. > :10:47.of the left. The problem for Tim Farron with what he is saying here,

:10:48. > :10:55.while he is an evangelical Christian, this will not appeal to

:10:56. > :10:58.traditional Liberal Democrats. An LGBT community member cannot

:10:59. > :11:02.possibly vote for an MP who believes that a sexual act between

:11:03. > :11:06.homosexuals is sinful. He has not made that clear. Of course, he wants

:11:07. > :11:10.to stop Brexit as well so he is neither liberal nor democratic. He

:11:11. > :11:14.will have seven weeks to make it clear because I am sure he will be

:11:15. > :11:18.asked again. We have the chairman of the Conservative Party on earlier,

:11:19. > :11:22.Polly. An important figure for the Tory campaign. What did you make of

:11:23. > :11:27.what he said? I don't think he will have him on very often, he didn't do

:11:28. > :11:30.brilliantly. I think they will bring back chemical Ali, Michael Fallon,

:11:31. > :11:37.he can say anything with a straight face, he can say black is white.

:11:38. > :11:42.Michael Fallon, chemical Ali? Why do you say that? He can absolutely say

:11:43. > :11:48.black is white. For instance if you look back at what he said, you

:11:49. > :11:53.challenged him about the energy policy, when Ed Miliband came out

:11:54. > :11:58.with it, he said any kind of freeze would stop investment, the lights

:11:59. > :12:03.will go out. You have him on, he will say the exact opposite. He is

:12:04. > :12:07.magic at that. But I don't think your guy today was up to the job. If

:12:08. > :12:16.Michael Fallon was chemical Ali, or we should say chemical Fally,

:12:17. > :12:21.Patrick was more like comical Ali. The whole Iraq war is rushing back

:12:22. > :12:24.at me. He is the warm up comedian, there is another six weeks to go,

:12:25. > :12:29.just getting things started. What did you think? I don't think he was

:12:30. > :12:33.too bad, it was difficult for him to say exactly what was in the 2050

:12:34. > :12:37.manifesto is going to be replicated in the Conservatives' manifesto

:12:38. > :12:40.during this general election, he doesn't want to be seen rowing back

:12:41. > :12:44.on stuff but on the other hand I don't think he can conceal the fact

:12:45. > :12:48.they will be far fewer commitments in this Conservative manifesto than

:12:49. > :12:51.in the last one, as you and I know, it was full of rash promises last

:12:52. > :12:59.time because they thought they would have to trade a lot of them away in

:13:00. > :13:02.the negotiations with the Liberal Democrats to form a second coalition

:13:03. > :13:04.so they are saddled with policies they don't particularly want to be

:13:05. > :13:06.hemmed in by. The forthcoming Conservative manifesto will be much

:13:07. > :13:10.lighter and shorter with fewer commitments. Different? Some stuff

:13:11. > :13:13.jumped from the 2050 manifesto? I think so but we will see a

:13:14. > :13:16.commitment to run schools to overcome that hurdle in the next

:13:17. > :13:20.parliament and I don't think, in spite of what you think, Polly, that

:13:21. > :13:23.it will be a hard tack to the right. I think if anything the mood music

:13:24. > :13:29.of the Conservative manifesto will be a centrist inclusive one. The

:13:30. > :13:33.mood music will be because the specifics would be there. She is

:13:34. > :13:36.good at saying governing for everybody and the many and not the

:13:37. > :13:41.few but when you look at the hard facts of what her and Hammond's

:13:42. > :13:44.budget looks like, you look at her hard Brexit, it's a very different

:13:45. > :13:52.story. Or that, the music has stopped for this week! Thank you. I

:13:53. > :13:58.will be back next week at the normal time of 11am on Sunday morning. On

:13:59. > :14:03.BBC One The Daily Politics is back at midday tomorrow and we will be on

:14:04. > :14:05.every day next week on BBC Two. Remember, if it's Sunday, it is The

:14:06. > :14:34.Sunday Politics. There'll be a couple of hours of

:14:35. > :14:37.just fantastic music, really, all the Ella classics, as well as

:14:38. > :14:40.some very special guests, we have Mica Paris, Imelda May,

:14:41. > :14:43.Dame Cleo Laine 'There's a side to Rory that the

:14:44. > :14:48.public doesn't see. 'Rory has suspected for some time

:14:49. > :14:52.that he may have ADHD. Here we have the first hydrogen bomb

:14:53. > :15:01.that went into service with