:01:21. > :01:31.In the north-west, failed by the system, the long awaited report
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:01:31. > :37:39.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2167 seconds
:37:39. > :37:49.into last summer's right explains Good afternoon. In the next 20
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:37:49. > :37:58.minutes, failed by the system, the long awaited report into the riots,
:37:58. > :38:04.we bring you the findings. Now let me introduce you to the guests, we
:38:04. > :38:10.had MPs from Labour, Liberal Democrats and Conservatives. It is
:38:10. > :38:17.eight months said Manchester -- since Manchester, Salford and
:38:17. > :38:23.Liverpool erupted in the worst riots regeneration. More than 450
:38:23. > :38:30.people were arrested. There are panel has produced a report into
:38:30. > :38:36.the causes. Our political editor has been looking at it. It was a
:38:36. > :38:40.smash and grab raid on a city-wide scale. First, Liverpool, then
:38:40. > :38:49.Salford and Manchester faced concentrated violence and looting.
:38:49. > :38:53.We know what happened, but why? was just youngsters not bothering
:38:53. > :39:00.about anybody else, seeing what they could get out of it. Lots of
:39:00. > :39:05.young ones round here do not seem to get a lot of help. There is not
:39:05. > :39:15.enough incentive to work. People I know have not been caught red but
:39:15. > :39:20.I'll not say who. -- not been arrested for it. To avoid people
:39:20. > :39:24.doing it again, an independent panel was set up to investigate. It
:39:24. > :39:29.says there are almost 500,000 families without a stake in society
:39:29. > :39:34.bumping along the bottom. shocked when we are presented with
:39:34. > :39:44.the starkness of some people's views about their lives. They have
:39:44. > :39:45.
:39:45. > :39:49.no hopes our dreams. Among the Children should be better protected
:39:49. > :39:54.from big brand marketing, school should be fined if the failed to
:39:54. > :40:03.properly teach any pupils to read or write. One shopkeeper targeted
:40:03. > :40:13.in the rights says there is almost -- one shopkeeper targeted in bit
:40:13. > :40:13.
:40:13. > :40:23.riot says it is a simple problem. Some of them that commit crimes
:40:23. > :40:27.
:40:27. > :40:32.every day. That is their job. Dining is in the studio is a member
:40:32. > :40:40.of the foundation that has been compiling a report. Did you find
:40:40. > :40:45.what you found match what the panel found? We sports writers across the
:40:45. > :40:50.country, and we were looking for a more local perspective. -- we spoke
:40:50. > :41:00.to people involved in that riot across the country. There was a lot
:41:00. > :41:01.
:41:01. > :41:09.of crossover. Social problems, complex causes, complex solutions,
:41:09. > :41:14.there was a lot of crossover. did local people say? People were
:41:14. > :41:18.keen to look at the implications of social policy. In Salford, young
:41:18. > :41:25.people reported this was the best day of their lives. The feeling was
:41:25. > :41:32.that this was a question of what we need to do what society to make
:41:32. > :41:38.this not the best day of their lives. People were positive about
:41:38. > :41:43.the community work being done in Salford. Many people came out and
:41:43. > :41:46.clear up the city. People were genuinely shocked about it. At the
:41:46. > :41:50.beginning there was a lot of rhetoric saying it was pure
:41:50. > :41:57.criminality, David Cameron was really just saying it was pure
:41:57. > :42:00.criminality. I think we can see there are so huge number of causes
:42:00. > :42:04.and a huge number of solutions. When you look at the people
:42:04. > :42:12.involved, those who were convicted on average had 11 previous
:42:12. > :42:15.convictions. We really need to look at the criminal system, the
:42:15. > :42:23.effectiveness of short sentences, which do not seem to be getting
:42:23. > :42:33.people back onto the right track. When it criticises schools, saying
:42:33. > :42:34.
:42:34. > :42:42.schools should be fined, is that they are? It is difficult to prove
:42:42. > :42:48.whether people are being top properly. We need to look at wider
:42:49. > :42:53.rights happened. We should not be drawn into making excuses. It was
:42:53. > :42:59.very easy for politicians to become armchair police commanders,
:42:59. > :43:03.criticise what was happening, in actual fact, our job was to back up
:43:03. > :43:10.the police, support them, make it clear that the criminal elements
:43:10. > :43:13.could not be allowed to get away with it. I would like to say that
:43:13. > :43:19.not everyone who lives in a deprived community took part in
:43:19. > :43:29.these rights. The overwhelming majority of people were appalled by
:43:29. > :43:32.it. You can see that by the reaction.
:43:32. > :43:39.The community stepped in and said it was enough, they are not having
:43:39. > :43:42.this, and they stopped it from happening. That is very encouraging.
:43:42. > :43:45.We need to look at the role of government because we have three
:43:45. > :43:51.members of parliament today. What is government's role in learning
:43:51. > :43:55.the lessons to make sure it does not happen again? Cutting the
:43:55. > :44:02.police by 16,000 is not a step in the right direction. When we have
:44:02. > :44:07.an economy flat lining, that will not help. We need the Government to
:44:07. > :44:12.take note of what is happening. you look at the police numbers, the
:44:12. > :44:20.report does not actually talk about that, and if you look at long-term
:44:20. > :44:30.numbers, they are up in the past four years. It is a red herring.
:44:30. > :44:30.
:44:31. > :44:34.do not think 16,000 police getting their jobs cut is a red herring.
:44:34. > :44:41.Losing 16,000 frontline police, both of which you oppose before the
:44:41. > :44:49.election, will not help. The key is to stop it happening again and cuts
:44:49. > :44:53.in police numbers is not going to help. It is a bit wider than police
:44:53. > :44:56.numbers. The government has published a strategy about
:44:56. > :45:06.integrating people into the workplace, but as there are no jobs
:45:06. > :45:07.
:45:07. > :45:11.around, more needs to be done to address that. There has been a lot
:45:11. > :45:19.of talk about troubled families. You were saying it was not all
:45:19. > :45:27.communities. There are something like 200,000 troubled families in
:45:27. > :45:33.Lancashire but there was no riots there. Can we blame parenting?
:45:33. > :45:37.parenting and responsibility. Why do two children from the same weary
:45:37. > :45:41.at get involved a different levels? Some want to get educated and
:45:41. > :45:46.others do not. When it comes to troubled families, the government
:45:46. > :45:51.announcement this week has been fantastic, they have chosen the
:45:52. > :45:55.areas in the north-west. The panel criticised its saying it was not
:45:56. > :46:03.targeting the right places. They looked at the 10 largest local
:46:03. > :46:08.authorities with this problem, moving those forward. �450 million
:46:08. > :46:12.scheme over three years. I'm not against putting money into troubled
:46:12. > :46:17.families. We should absolutely be supporting these families. But the
:46:17. > :46:20.reality is when the Government came when it cut the grants that were
:46:21. > :46:26.going to local government. Local government in the Metropolitan the
:46:26. > :46:31.areas have suffered the bigger scale of cuts in the country. It is
:46:31. > :46:36.struggling, the struggle between local police and government, the
:46:36. > :46:45.health service, the fire service. We have seen Cup's early on, the
:46:45. > :46:49.agencies are not in that position to work together. I think taking
:46:49. > :46:58.the resources away, which is what has happened, we need to look at
:46:58. > :47:08.that. Let Mark come back in. People understand whichever party was in
:47:08. > :47:10.
:47:10. > :47:14.government, the cutting would have been similar. If you look at
:47:14. > :47:24.individual local authorities, you see very different approaches been
:47:24. > :47:27.
:47:27. > :47:36.taken. Briefly, there are you encouraged that the riots could not
:47:37. > :47:40.happen again? I am not sure. The report spoke about building on
:47:40. > :47:50.people's capabilities. That was better than speaking about broken
:47:50. > :47:56.Britain, more talk about positive aspirations. That is why we need
:47:56. > :48:01.the emphasis to be on jobs for young people. Thank you. Everyone
:48:01. > :48:08.has heard of the drug prescribed to expect in mothers which caused
:48:08. > :48:12.birth defects in babies, but few will recognise this, a drug given
:48:12. > :48:18.to pregnant women in the 1960s. Some claim it led to children being
:48:18. > :48:28.born with malformations. The company behind the drugs as it was
:48:28. > :48:41.
:48:41. > :48:45.safe and it has never been proved. Long-term antibiotics. This woman
:48:45. > :48:49.takes 60 pills per day. A medical problems might not be obvious but
:48:49. > :48:59.she has spent most of her life in and out of hospital after being
:48:59. > :49:00.
:49:00. > :49:04.born with multiple abnormalities to her internal organs. There are lots
:49:04. > :49:14.of problems. I was in and out of hospital, a lot of tests and
:49:14. > :49:16.
:49:16. > :49:24.studies. It was only last year on a routine cancer check that he told
:49:24. > :49:33.they had said and spleens. She is convinced this was because. -- I
:49:33. > :49:39.had seven spleens. It is because of this drug. It was
:49:39. > :49:47.launched in 1958, and in 1967 there was claims of a possible link to
:49:47. > :49:54.malformation. There was also a high rate of miscarriages. The company
:49:54. > :50:04.stopped promoting it as a pregnancy test in 1970. In 1975, an official
:50:04. > :50:08.
:50:08. > :50:12.A group launched a legal challenge against the makers of the drug, in
:50:12. > :50:17.1982. The case was dropped after lawyers advised then there was not
:50:17. > :50:22.enough evidence against the company. No link has ever been proved. Now
:50:22. > :50:25.the association has initial funding from the legal-aid panel to mount a
:50:25. > :50:30.new challenge against the company which has since been taken over. It
:50:30. > :50:34.says it has new evidence in the form of a letter written by the
:50:34. > :50:39.medical director in 1967 in which he says the apparent correlation
:50:39. > :50:46.between the drug and malformation looks rather alarming. We need an
:50:46. > :50:50.apology, compensation, and also we're not sure of what is going to
:50:50. > :50:56.happen. I am one of the oldest victims and we do not know what
:50:56. > :51:06.will happen later on in life. will happen later on in life.
:51:06. > :51:14.
:51:14. > :51:24.The local MP wants a debate in Parliament about the drug. It is
:51:24. > :51:28.calling for an early day motion. This is a forgotten drug. I am
:51:28. > :51:37.appalled by the state of this. So little has been done by the
:51:37. > :51:41.authorities. Nicholas Ayres tests have shown her problems are not due
:51:41. > :51:51.to faulty genes, but proving what it calls them is much more
:51:51. > :51:51.
:51:51. > :52:01.difficult. -- proving what caused them. I have been put back together
:52:01. > :52:01.
:52:01. > :52:07.so many time, and now it has come back. It is so sad. Because of what
:52:07. > :52:12.my mum went through and what I have been through, this generation is
:52:12. > :52:17.suffering because of this. Joining me is a lawyer who is a specialist
:52:17. > :52:21.in serious injury lot. There is no link between the drug and
:52:22. > :52:31.disabilities that has been proven, as far as aware. He it has not been
:52:31. > :52:34.proven, so this will be get the cult -- this will be difficult. A
:52:34. > :52:44.key element is establishing the relationship between the drug or
:52:44. > :52:47.
:52:47. > :52:56.the substance and the Ellis. On a different matter, -- and the
:52:56. > :53:01.illness. Encouraging news for people is closed -- people exposed
:53:01. > :53:07.to asbestos. There has been a case running for six years, the Supreme
:53:07. > :53:13.Court ruled on Wednesday that people refuse compensation payments
:53:13. > :53:17.by employer liability insurers would be entitled to payments. What
:53:17. > :53:21.happened is the insurers have argued on the wording of certain
:53:21. > :53:29.policies, that they were not required to pay compensation to
:53:29. > :53:39.people who were exposed to asbestos. They said the exposure occurred
:53:39. > :53:43.
:53:43. > :53:47.when they were the insurer, but they were not liable to pay. The
:53:47. > :53:53.Supreme Court has ruled that if the insurance company was on cover,
:53:53. > :54:00.they are liable to pay the compensation. This is difficult
:54:00. > :54:04.because asbestos can take years to develop. This will be another long-
:54:04. > :54:09.term campaign. How much should government have to get involved in
:54:09. > :54:17.the sort of campaign? Victim support groups have welcomed this
:54:18. > :54:27.this week. It is now going to be possible. Some in the insurance
:54:28. > :54:34.
:54:34. > :54:39.company it have been dragging their It is important to not suffer undue
:54:39. > :54:47.influence from the vested interests in the insurance industry.,
:54:47. > :54:53.have campaigned on this issue. is a landmark judgment. It is a
:54:53. > :54:55.disease that can take many years to manifest itself, but when the cases
:54:55. > :55:02.were first coming to public attention, it surprised me how many
:55:02. > :55:08.more people emerged who were saying, we have had these problems, we are
:55:08. > :55:13.suffering. That is why the judgment this week is so important. This is
:55:13. > :55:23.one of those issues that transcends party politics and this is a good
:55:23. > :55:24.
:55:24. > :55:29.decision. It is difficult because it has cost these people lot of
:55:29. > :55:35.money. The government is proposing changes to legal aid. Is that going
:55:35. > :55:39.to have an impact? Allies of large is going to vote that asbestos
:55:39. > :55:45.victims are exempt from that situation. As it stands, that will
:55:45. > :55:52.not happen. It will be going back to the House of Commons. We will
:55:52. > :56:02.have a vote on it. Our government has had a habit of overturning
:56:02. > :56:04.
:56:04. > :56:14.House of Lords amendments. I hope Night time for a look at some of
:56:14. > :56:17.
:56:17. > :56:21.His appointment this week, Vauxhall car workers were hoping to hear
:56:21. > :56:26.more about the future of their plant. A meeting failed to come to
:56:27. > :56:31.any conclusions. The parent company has already said cutting will have
:56:31. > :56:35.to be done. The new interim chief executive of
:56:35. > :56:39.the NHS Trust Foundation in Morecambe has been speaking since
:56:39. > :56:46.starting his new role. He was appointed after problems with the
:56:46. > :56:51.quality of service that trust, including poor patient safety.
:56:51. > :56:55.I have no doubt we will have an excellent trust. The services we
:56:55. > :56:59.will deliver across the hospital will be as good as you get in the
:56:59. > :57:06.country. Manchester has been told that risks at competitive
:57:06. > :57:10.disadvantage if it decides not to have a directly elected mayor. The
:57:10. > :57:20.Government claimed the city could miss out. The leader of the council
:57:20. > :57:22.