:01:28. > :01:38.In the north-west - 10 years on, what legacy did Manchester's
:01:38. > :01:38.
:01:38. > :31:40.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1802 seconds
:31:40. > :31:45.Commonwealth Games leave the Good afternoon.
:31:45. > :31:48.10 years on - what legacy did Manchester's, 12 games leave the
:31:48. > :31:54.region? Let me introduce this week's guest.
:31:54. > :31:57.We have Kate Green, the Labour MP for Stretford and Urmston, and Ben
:31:57. > :32:01.Wallace the Conservative MP for Preston North and wire.
:32:01. > :32:08.Ben Wallace, we see that the Government is bringing in a more or
:32:08. > :32:12.free schools next year. They are making that announcement this week.
:32:12. > :32:17.Ivy a good thing? They are a good thing where there is a need. Where
:32:17. > :32:20.parents have felt there has not been the correct provision, and
:32:20. > :32:24.local authorities have not been as responsive as they should be, there
:32:24. > :32:28.is a need. What we have to make sure is that the need is in the
:32:28. > :32:32.right place and that appearance demands are met. That does not mean
:32:32. > :32:38.that everybody has to have them. It does not mean the are right for
:32:38. > :32:41.everywhere. They are controversial. I knew a supporter of them? But I
:32:41. > :32:46.do not see that there is a real need for focusing attention and
:32:46. > :32:50.resources on them. I lot of them are being set up for her
:32:50. > :32:56.idiosyncratic reasons. They are or diverting resources out of
:32:56. > :33:00.mainstream education. I am not prioritising them. Let us stick
:33:00. > :33:04.with education. The government might like three schools and they
:33:04. > :33:08.also like academies. Those are schools of greater independence
:33:08. > :33:12.from the local council. This week ministers have turned the Whitehall
:33:12. > :33:18.spotlight on Lancashire saying there are too many underperforming
:33:18. > :33:24.schools there. They want 32 of them to become academies.
:33:24. > :33:28.Hello. Do you know about shaking hands? She also knows about
:33:28. > :33:32.twisting arms. Liz Sidwell is the schools commissioner. Her job is to
:33:32. > :33:38.raise standards. She thinks academies like this one in
:33:38. > :33:41.Hambleton are the answer. We are looking at an agreement with
:33:41. > :33:49.additional people who will come on the government body and who will
:33:49. > :33:54.bring a sustainable solution. Hambleton happily became a primary
:33:54. > :34:01.academy last January. There is a renewed sense of commitment and
:34:01. > :34:06.value from the staff. That will raise standards for the future. If
:34:06. > :34:12.you get a fantastic staff you want to keep them. As the children make
:34:12. > :34:16.vegetable soup, the government's own recipe is cooking. There are
:34:16. > :34:19.400 AD for primary-school across Lancashire. The government
:34:19. > :34:24.calculates one-third of children are leaving without the basics in
:34:24. > :34:32.English and Maths. 32 schools are failing according to last year's
:34:32. > :34:38.Ofsted inspections. Schools like Walverdon Primary in Nelson. The
:34:38. > :34:44.government ordered it to become an academy but the school is appealing.
:34:44. > :34:49.We have seen continual improvement. However we have not had enough time
:34:49. > :34:55.for this to go through the whole school. The Conservative controlled
:34:55. > :35:05.county council says it is already improving standards. They must have
:35:05. > :35:10.a plan and a timescale as to what they are going to do. I feel
:35:10. > :35:14.strongly that it is wrong to force a school to become an academy if
:35:14. > :35:18.they do not want to. The Government is certain that academies are
:35:18. > :35:23.better and might well try to force schools to join the club.
:35:23. > :35:30.Joining us in the studio is Professor Mark Brundrett from John
:35:30. > :35:40.Moores University. Do academies work? Do they boost standards?
:35:40. > :35:44.jury is out. Some people argue that academies have outperformed normal
:35:44. > :35:54.schools. His evidence to that effect that they are more
:35:54. > :35:58.successful. But that is quite a short timescale. There are
:35:58. > :36:06.colleagues of mine who would argue that the numbers are not that
:36:06. > :36:16.robust. They mean comparison tends to be made with charter schools in
:36:16. > :36:16.
:36:16. > :36:26.the United States. Again no they have had some success. But it is a
:36:26. > :36:27.
:36:27. > :36:31.short time horizon to make a judgment. Ben Wallace, you have got
:36:31. > :36:36.one of these underperforming schools in your constituency. Do
:36:36. > :36:39.you want it to become an academy? Some of the problems that it has
:36:39. > :36:43.need to be fixed. The local authority and the education
:36:43. > :36:49.authority has not been fixed in there. Nor have the governors of
:36:49. > :36:52.the school. One of the reasons that academy path is attractive to both
:36:52. > :36:56.my government and the last government is that it is about
:36:56. > :37:03.trying to seek other solutions to a problem that has not be fixed under
:37:04. > :37:09.the old system. We're ahead is allowed to lead, a governor can
:37:09. > :37:15.take responsibility, those schools improve. But they can do that at
:37:15. > :37:21.the moment. Under Lancashire County Council, Geoff Driver a
:37:21. > :37:27.Conservative, said they can lead. He said they are putting �5 million
:37:27. > :37:33.more in. Turning them into academies is not necessary. If a
:37:33. > :37:37.group of governors are not doing their job properly, or the head and
:37:37. > :37:43.the governors think they are doing fine, children's lives are taken by
:37:43. > :37:48.in the process, it is high and do the local -- it is difficult under
:37:48. > :37:54.the it structure to bring change. It is easier under the academy
:37:54. > :38:00.structure. That is an issue that both governments and the past have
:38:00. > :38:05.search for solutions to. Kate Green, this was originally your
:38:05. > :38:11.Government's idea. Would you like to see more academies in
:38:11. > :38:21.Lancashire? I cannot comment on that the situation in Lancashire.
:38:21. > :38:29.But in general? The answer does not lie fundamentally in the structures.
:38:29. > :38:33.It lies in good leadership. It lies in having resources for the schools.
:38:33. > :38:39.It is also important that it is a consensus around the kind of school
:38:39. > :38:43.that people want. Their idea that these 26 schools in Lancashire
:38:43. > :38:47.should all become academies against the wishes of a lot of local people
:38:47. > :38:52.seems to be at odds with Michael Gove's apparent interest in betting
:38:52. > :38:56.parents set the terms. If you look at the figures here, the Government
:38:56. > :39:01.is saying that one-third of children are leaving Lancashire's
:39:01. > :39:07.prima schools without the basics in English and Maths. Is that true?
:39:07. > :39:17.How can that still be the case? What is the answer? It is true
:39:17. > :39:21.
:39:21. > :39:27.according to government statistics. It is bad is it not? It is. Their
:39:27. > :39:33.evidence does show that good leadership is one of the keys to
:39:33. > :39:38.effective education. If we empower head teachers that is a tremendous
:39:38. > :39:44.benefit. Over the past 20 years the movement has been to give head
:39:44. > :39:48.teachers more and more power. Some head teachers are very keen on
:39:48. > :39:53.academy status. They feel it gives them that kind of power. Others
:39:53. > :39:58.would say we already have much of that kind of power. Much of the
:39:58. > :40:03.budget is devolved to as. It is nice to stay within the support of
:40:03. > :40:10.the local authority. The issue is open to question. We will see which
:40:10. > :40:16.is more effective over time. There are heads at the moment who see
:40:16. > :40:18.academies as a distraction. There was certainly no
:40:18. > :40:22.underperformance 10 years ago when the Commonwealth Games came to
:40:22. > :40:25.Manchester. At the time critics warned that the City would not be
:40:25. > :40:30.able to cope with such a big sporting event and that they would
:40:30. > :40:34.be years of debt. What is the legacy? Our correspondent has been
:40:34. > :40:40.finding out. Manchester's arrival on the modern
:40:40. > :40:47.world stage. It is my pleasure in this my golden jubilee year to
:40:47. > :40:53.declare the 17th, of Games open. But opening ceremony of their games.
:40:53. > :40:56.That was then, this is now. This stadium is currently home to
:40:56. > :40:59.Premier League champions Manchester City. Back then it was the
:40:59. > :41:04.centrepiece of the Commonwealth Games.
:41:04. > :41:08.More than 5,000 athletes and officials from 72 countries took
:41:08. > :41:15.part in 17 sports in front of a global television audience of 1
:41:15. > :41:19.billion people. It cost �110 million. �77 million was provided
:41:19. > :41:26.by Sport England. The rest was provided by the city council.
:41:27. > :41:31.People ask what was the legacy? One legacy was that people walk taller.
:41:31. > :41:34.They are proud to say that they were involved with the Commonwealth
:41:34. > :41:40.Games. They are proud that be hosted the Commonwealth Games which
:41:40. > :41:49.was a success. For every pound the council Britain they got almost
:41:49. > :41:56.three back. Not immediately, but all on the back of the Games.
:41:56. > :42:05.were very clear that in planning, organising, and delivering, it was
:42:05. > :42:09.important that we did not just plan and deliver two weeks. We also used
:42:09. > :42:19.to the sporting events to create a platform for a long-term legacy and
:42:19. > :42:23.
:42:23. > :42:29.investment. As part of a post Games event programme the city has lost
:42:29. > :42:35.at a number of large events. A Champions League final. At
:42:35. > :42:40.Paralympic World Cup. 2008 was a stand-out year - the biggest year
:42:40. > :42:46.of sport since the Games. Manchester hosted three world
:42:47. > :42:52.championships and three world-class events.
:42:52. > :42:57.10 years on the benefits are still coming. In a deal renegotiated in
:42:57. > :43:05.2010, Manchester City paid the council �3 million per year to play
:43:05. > :43:08.here. That money still goes into grassroots sport. It is somewhat of
:43:08. > :43:13.all accounts. It is used to support sports development programmes
:43:14. > :43:20.throughout the city. It allows schools access to these world-class
:43:20. > :43:26.facilities. It also ensures that the facilities are maintained to a
:43:27. > :43:31.high quality. While the cluster of the venues created for the Games
:43:31. > :43:36.remains buoyant and will use, up the supporting area of the city is
:43:36. > :43:40.also earmarked for major regeneration. It is hoped that
:43:40. > :43:46.regeneration will be accelerated by 20 years as a result of the El --
:43:46. > :43:51.as a result of the Games in 2002. A recent report showed their eyrie at
:43:51. > :43:56.is still one of the most deprived in the country.
:43:57. > :44:04.What did the games do for this region? It did not affect us.
:44:04. > :44:14.are a lot of new buildings caught up. They are making it better. The
:44:14. > :44:15.
:44:15. > :44:25.difference now is unbelievable. Business has been brought to the
:44:25. > :44:33.
:44:33. > :44:38.area. It has done a lot for it to be honest. You will not transform
:44:38. > :44:44.somewhere. It is not going to happen. But if the people living
:44:45. > :44:54.there say they think it is better, what better positive feedback do
:44:54. > :44:58.you want? The buzz word for London 2012 his legacy. There will be
:44:58. > :45:01.envious eyes looking north at what Manchester has achieved.
:45:02. > :45:06.With as in the studio is Lesley Giddings who was the director of
:45:06. > :45:11.the Commonwealth Games in 2002. When it you were planning the
:45:11. > :45:21.Commonwealth Games 10 years ago how important was the issue of legacy?
:45:21. > :45:30.It was fundamental. The reason why Manchester initially wanted Alan
:45:30. > :45:34.Biggs -- wanted the Olympics, was as part of a milestone. It was not
:45:34. > :45:40.just about putting on a great show, it was also about what could be
:45:40. > :45:50.done for Manchester as a result. think so. Putting on a great show
:45:50. > :45:50.
:45:50. > :45:58.as part of that. Are you have to put on a great show. That will get
:45:58. > :46:03.people looking at you and thinking about you and investing in you.
:46:03. > :46:07.What about the Olympic Games? Do you feel that they have been done
:46:07. > :46:12.in such a way that it is a legacy there for the rest of the country,
:46:12. > :46:18.as opposed to just London? I hope so. There is huge excitement in my
:46:18. > :46:24.constituency. We will be hosting the football. Will you go to it?
:46:24. > :46:30.have not been able to get a ticket. A I did not think it was sold out.
:46:30. > :46:40.I went on line and it was impossible to get a ticket. There
:46:40. > :46:40.
:46:40. > :46:43.has been a lot of thought to making the most of the Olympics. You could
:46:43. > :46:47.see that when the torch came through Manchester a couple of
:46:47. > :46:52.weeks ago. Even in my part of the city, when the torch came through
:46:52. > :46:58.on a very wet day, there were hundreds of people out talking
:46:58. > :47:01.about sport and wanting to engage in what is coming. We have also
:47:01. > :47:11.seen a load of other legacy activities beginning to develop
:47:11. > :47:12.
:47:12. > :47:16.around culture. You do not have Old Trafford in your constituency.
:47:16. > :47:26.There is no Olympic football beer. What about you? Is there enough
:47:26. > :47:32.from other bits? I hope so. Manchester had great leadership. It
:47:32. > :47:37.had a direction. As a city it believed in itself. It crystallised
:47:37. > :47:42.all those things together. The Commonwealth Games brought
:47:42. > :47:48.redevelopment of the centre. I do not know of the Olympics will do
:47:48. > :47:53.that. Did they, of games too much for the rest of the region, or just
:47:53. > :47:59.for Manchester? A Manchester does well, the region does well. Preston
:47:59. > :48:09.is doing well. Manchester is a powerhouse in the north-west. It
:48:09. > :48:10.
:48:10. > :48:16.started back in the 1990s. It, of games, the football. It is a city
:48:16. > :48:24.that believes in itself. What we have to work out about the 2012
:48:24. > :48:28.Olympics is the events, the redevelopment, whether or not the
:48:28. > :48:33.Amir of London will capitalise on that. If he does that then we can
:48:33. > :48:43.replicate what happened. When you were doing it, we have games did
:48:43. > :48:44.
:48:44. > :48:49.you think about the future? We had a programme of regeneration. Some
:48:49. > :48:52.people question that it had done enough for her East Manchester.
:48:52. > :48:59.spread the benefits as far as possible. We had a range of social
:48:59. > :49:04.projects. We had a volunteer programme for excluded communities.
:49:04. > :49:09.We had a whole range of people involved. It is a sports event. You
:49:09. > :49:14.cannot change the world with a sports event. We were tried to
:49:14. > :49:21.impact on as many people as we could. Will there be enough legacy
:49:21. > :49:27.from the Olympics? It is too early to say. There is a real challenge
:49:27. > :49:36.with their Olympics because it is so big. They have done a lot of
:49:36. > :49:41.things. There is a programme of volunteers. It will be interesting
:49:41. > :49:50.to see over the next 10 years if they can sit I might we Annecy it
:49:50. > :49:59.was fabulous. In true Olympic style here is a hundred yards - through
:49:59. > :50:03.some of the news in the region. Plans to shut six factories
:50:03. > :50:09.employing disabled people in the North West are being supported by a
:50:09. > :50:16.local Conservative MP. Factories in our region are to shut later this
:50:16. > :50:21.year. M P Paul Maynard who had cerebral palsy himself told the
:50:21. > :50:26.Commons he does not believe in segregated employment. Young people
:50:26. > :50:30.have higher aspirations that has spent 40 years of their working
:50:30. > :50:34.lives in segregated employment. Chief Minister of Isle of Man says
:50:34. > :50:38.there are no plans for the islands to go independent. He says now is
:50:38. > :50:43.not the time to go independent. But he does say the issue should be
:50:43. > :50:47.looked at. I campaign launched in the region
:50:47. > :50:52.for the installation of defibrillators in public buildings
:50:52. > :51:02.was taken to Westminster. The campaign was set up in the name of
:51:02. > :51:05.
:51:05. > :51:08.a boy who died at a swimming pool when his heart stopped.
:51:08. > :51:15.We are of a year until September. Will you be seeing any of the
:51:15. > :51:22.Olympics? From Television Centre. I have got