:01:37. > :01:40.And in the North West: Two officers killed in the line of
:01:41. > :01:50.duty, now the PCC candidates tell us what they will do to fight back
:01:51. > :01:51.
:01:51. > :40:02.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2291 seconds
:40:02. > :40:07.Hello and welcome. To Greater Manchester officers
:40:07. > :40:12.killed on duty. The candidates for police commissioner it tell us how
:40:12. > :40:17.they will combat crime. The work they have done is splendid but they
:40:17. > :40:23.cannot do it on their own. It is bad but this takes place in our
:40:23. > :40:29.city. The focus this week is on but Police and Crime Commissioner
:40:29. > :40:33.elections. To be clear, we will be voting across the North West to let
:40:33. > :40:39.one Commissioner for us. It will be Cheshire, Cumbria, Greater
:40:39. > :40:45.Manchester, Lancashire, and Morsi side. There are 24 candidates. --
:40:45. > :40:49.Merseyside. My guests are at this sheet
:40:49. > :40:53.superintendent of Lancashire Police and Dr Stuart Wilks-Heeg an expert
:40:53. > :40:59.from Liverpool University. How do you think he's police
:40:59. > :41:03.commissioners will change the way that we experience policing?
:41:03. > :41:11.think they will change it greatly. In order to be elected and stale
:41:11. > :41:17.let it be have to be popular. It is bringing an X Factor culture to the
:41:17. > :41:20.very serious business of policing which is a great concern. There is
:41:20. > :41:26.a paradox in that these could be the most important elections we
:41:26. > :41:30.will have this year but not many people are interested. It is the
:41:30. > :41:35.first national elections we have had across England and Wales since
:41:35. > :41:44.the general elections. For parties it is very important. But the
:41:44. > :41:48.turnouts are expected to be low. Last month there was shock after do
:41:48. > :41:57.killings of police Constable's Nicola Hughes and Fiona Bone it in
:41:57. > :42:07.Manchester. They have tried to shake off their feeling that
:42:07. > :42:13.Manchester has a history of violent crime in the police.
:42:13. > :42:22.The deaths of two police officers. A stark reminder of Manchester has
:42:22. > :42:25.gone problem. And challenge what the new police commissioner. -- a
:42:25. > :42:35.challenge for the new police commissioner.
:42:35. > :42:36.
:42:36. > :42:40.How do you tackle the problems with guns question mark -- with guns?
:42:40. > :42:50.need to use the technology and internet and all the other types of
:42:50. > :42:54.
:42:54. > :43:00.new technologies. I doubt here in Moss Side need residents demand an
:43:00. > :43:09.end to the killing. A 12-year-old has lost an eye in an attack which
:43:09. > :43:19.has shocked. In 1990 as newspapers called Manchester gone - Chester.
:43:19. > :43:19.
:43:19. > :43:24.What more could be done? -- gun. The work they have done has been
:43:24. > :43:28.that but they cannot do it on their own. You what to work with local
:43:28. > :43:34.communities? Yes, to make the communities feel safe enough to
:43:34. > :43:39.pass information on to the police. Guns are harder to come by and the
:43:39. > :43:47.number of shootings has reduced dramatically. There were 16 last
:43:47. > :43:50.year compared to 125 years ago. No fewer than 100 criminal gangs are
:43:50. > :43:58.operating in the county. One candidate says that if you want to
:43:58. > :44:04.get rid of the guns you have to break up the gangs. -- 120, five
:44:04. > :44:11.years ago. We need to see the break-up of those crime gangs. This
:44:11. > :44:17.is not the Mafia. We do not terrorise whole communities. But it
:44:17. > :44:23.is bad. It is a bad reputation and it is bad it that it takes place in
:44:23. > :44:30.our city. It is the job of the Police Commissioner to decide
:44:30. > :44:35.priorities and be realistic about what can be achieved. There has
:44:35. > :44:41.always been an element of gang crime in Manchester even from the
:44:41. > :44:44.1960s. You always find that in a big city and it is a case really of
:44:44. > :44:48.continuing to build up your intelligence, continuing to work
:44:48. > :44:54.with the community and getting the community on your side. You will
:44:54. > :45:00.never eliminate it? You will never eliminate it anywhere. Anti-social
:45:00. > :45:07.behaviour and car crime, the new commissioner will man to -- will
:45:07. > :45:13.face a lot of demands but and crime will be prominent.
:45:13. > :45:18.Since that film was made a magistrate Roy Warren has already
:45:18. > :45:23.thrown his head in to the ring -- hat into the ring as an independent
:45:23. > :45:29.candidate. I would ask the community to report anybody that
:45:29. > :45:36.they know that has a gun. All this sudden, it has escalated. We now
:45:36. > :45:40.get on to the issue of whether it beat police should be carrying guns.
:45:40. > :45:45.We are joined in the studio by a woman who has worked to improve
:45:45. > :45:51.community relations with the police and Moss Side in Manchester. What
:45:51. > :45:58.you hope to see from their police commissioner? I think I along with
:45:58. > :46:01.many others it is hoping to see that they will go native. When we
:46:01. > :46:06.have worked with them closely in the past and they have connections
:46:06. > :46:10.to the grass roots, it is said that they have gone native. We're
:46:10. > :46:13.looking for someone who is prepared to do that and to understand the
:46:13. > :46:22.communities that they represent. Appear to understand how these
:46:22. > :46:29.people left and we had a lead. a you like this idea? -- people
:46:29. > :46:33.love and wear a lounge. Absolutely people can go they're directly and
:46:33. > :46:36.expressed their needs and there are issues for their neighbourhoods.
:46:36. > :46:43.Different neighbourhoods at different issues when it comes to
:46:43. > :46:46.policing. You cannot paint as over with the same rash across the board.
:46:46. > :46:52.Different communities have different issues and the need to
:46:52. > :46:56.know who to go to it they have an issue. The idea of this is that it
:46:56. > :47:01.is somebody that community groups can get in top two and have
:47:02. > :47:06.response. Yes but the one Police Commissioner for an area the side
:47:06. > :47:11.of Manchester, it is due. They will not have the time to have that
:47:11. > :47:16.connection with the different groups. They cannot do that and
:47:16. > :47:21.harp work done with their operational side of policing. I do
:47:21. > :47:27.not think it has been well thought through. They will not deliver what
:47:28. > :47:31.people expect. Listening to the candidates they talk about gangs.
:47:32. > :47:35.Some of it sounded vague. Are you worried that police commissioners
:47:35. > :47:42.might jumping to tactics to link police officers had to do their
:47:42. > :47:46.jobs? Yes, they're going to. I have heard what some of them are saying.
:47:46. > :47:49.Policing is very complex and sensitive and their jumping in and
:47:49. > :47:54.the thinking that they know it all and it is looking like it could be
:47:54. > :47:57.a problem. Is there at the potential for conflict between the
:47:57. > :48:02.police commissioners, but politicians and that police
:48:02. > :48:09.Constable's? Inevitably there is. It will happen in some cases but
:48:09. > :48:14.perhaps not every where. We had an uneasy balance with power and
:48:14. > :48:23.policing between at the Home Secretary, then Chief Constable and
:48:23. > :48:27.police officers. This is really set up to be a struggle in some areas
:48:27. > :48:30.between big personalities. What you make of the argument that the
:48:30. > :48:34.police commissioner is going to have so many different communities
:48:34. > :48:39.in such a wide area but they will not be able to do what you want and
:48:39. > :48:45.to do? That could be an issue but what we have to look at... There
:48:45. > :48:49.are a couple of things that were saying there -- that were being
:48:50. > :48:57.said there about how people work in partnership across stay cold has
:48:57. > :49:03.just sold certain issues. Community groups work and its independent
:49:03. > :49:07.adviser groups work, the excess and do some fantastic work. Police
:49:07. > :49:10.commissioners can feed into those groups as they feed into the police
:49:10. > :49:15.commissioner. One person cannot do that job by themselves so they're
:49:15. > :49:22.going to have to have sup commissioners or feelers out there
:49:22. > :49:27.that they feed into. -- sub commissioners. But police
:49:27. > :49:33.commissioner would been making up overall decision. It sounds like
:49:33. > :49:41.you to design a better system for But if you want to find out more
:49:41. > :49:46.about who is standing on -- in your area or you can go to our website.
:49:46. > :49:50.area or you can go to our website. area or you can go to our website.
:49:50. > :49:54.You can click on your area there. The new commissioners are not just
:49:54. > :49:59.dealing with the police but they are also dealing were generally
:49:59. > :50:05.with Clarine two. We will be speaking to an organisation the
:50:05. > :50:11.help victims. -- with cream it too. We will be speaking to people to
:50:11. > :50:17.see what they want. I see my dad standing at the bottom of the
:50:17. > :50:26.stairs was blood all over his face and I thought, it is real. She was
:50:26. > :50:32.attacked by masked men in her own - met in her home. The robbers left
:50:32. > :50:38.lasting scars. Your home is no longer warm any more and I had to
:50:38. > :50:45.move out. They hit my dad on the head when the key men. He now has
:50:46. > :50:52.epilepsy as a result. -- when the came in. We're both still on
:50:52. > :51:01.medication. They were animals and they just wanted to wreck the place
:51:01. > :51:05.to pieces. This is this war has won a part in the riots. It was a
:51:05. > :51:15.complete mess. We were in that back of the store and they were at front
:51:15. > :51:15.
:51:15. > :51:21.of the store. It must been scary. Yes, they're adrenalin was going.
:51:21. > :51:25.How will these commissioners help these people? They will come
:51:26. > :51:31.strolled out purse strings directly spending money on victim support
:51:31. > :51:36.services. It it will make it up rents, the public are sceptical.
:51:36. > :51:39.While some were in 19% think it is important to listen to victims only
:51:40. > :51:44.one in five think that commissioners will improve by
:51:44. > :51:51.victim Support. I do not think that it will make a difference, I cannot
:51:51. > :51:56.see her. This woman is not holding out hope as she is critical after
:51:56. > :52:03.an alleged assault on her husband. All the victims say the same story,
:52:03. > :52:09.the art and victim but 90% of the time the police treat them as if
:52:09. > :52:17.the idea then there will stop this man was impressed by individual
:52:17. > :52:22.officers during the riot but less so by policy. I do not know what
:52:22. > :52:26.this commission are well to put say that they cannot do any harm at the
:52:26. > :52:30.at the people were going to stand up well local area. That has to be
:52:30. > :52:35.a good thing. You envisage these police commissioners making a
:52:35. > :52:41.difference? I would hope so, the only thing I can say is that people
:52:41. > :52:46.to support because it is horrible. It is your worst nightmare. She has
:52:46. > :52:49.nothing but praise but at least but regardless of individual experience
:52:49. > :52:54.is what opposites it seems a common consent that Britain's voice is
:52:54. > :52:59.need to be heard by new commissioners.
:52:59. > :53:02.We have a member of the victim Support in the North West. Some
:53:02. > :53:07.scepticism in at least police commissioners will make much of it
:53:07. > :53:11.for us to victims. It will be a statutory policy that they have to
:53:11. > :53:16.listen to the voices of victims. That will influence their policy of
:53:16. > :53:21.the go forward. Operationally, chief constable are going to need
:53:21. > :53:26.to take that message through to how police officers deliberate on the
:53:26. > :53:30.ground. It is going to be about listening to what happens in local
:53:30. > :53:35.communities and the big area is that they are working with or not
:53:35. > :53:42.going to be all same. It is making sure that true voice of victims is
:53:42. > :53:46.had clearly. Someone else at exit a good idea. I can see where he is
:53:47. > :53:50.coming from and it is great in one ear rear at you're asking 1% to do
:53:50. > :53:55.all communities up large areas. There are so many different
:53:55. > :53:59.communities and to rights of victims, you need a fantastic
:53:59. > :54:01.amount of knowledge. Some of them are coming in than you that they
:54:01. > :54:08.know it all and the need to understand the problems that they
:54:08. > :54:14.will face otherwise it will not work. Your reaction? Having met
:54:14. > :54:19.that candidates in all it is very good of their communities. But
:54:19. > :54:26.somehow let it do not realise what it has about in their area. It is
:54:26. > :54:32.going to be a challenge. Democratic wintered you it is
:54:32. > :54:37.something that you will come. welcome priority setting being at a
:54:37. > :54:44.local level however I do have real concerns about concentrating power.
:54:44. > :54:49.That is going to be on the hands of one person. It is clear what it up
:54:49. > :54:52.stops, but we are really talking about amass a set of
:54:52. > :54:56.responsibilities being transfer from at least at the rate used to
:54:56. > :55:02.his new role. The argument has always been that people do not know
:55:02. > :55:05.the police authority and they do not listen to what people want. If
:55:06. > :55:10.you have a single and that show you will break up the right and them.
:55:10. > :55:16.There is real logic that and just the same argument for mayors. It
:55:16. > :55:20.also gives the media a focal point. But it is a lot to police in one
:55:20. > :55:26.person's hands and it starts going wrong and I am not sure that
:55:26. > :55:31.they're scrutinising panels or ought to the task. Is there an
:55:31. > :55:36.argument that we look at it and support groups you see that they
:55:36. > :55:41.would like this sort of character. Is a feeling it at the police are
:55:41. > :55:45.not do that side of the job well enough? I think the police can
:55:45. > :55:50.always improve in dealing with victims. One of the problems here
:55:50. > :55:57.is that you do not want to just do what the people much at the let us.
:55:57. > :56:05.Some think the people at -- why it or at people you need to listen to.
:56:05. > :56:10.-- quieter. You think it is better to have at hand that it that is a
:56:10. > :56:14.former police thought was that? I think that defeats the whole
:56:14. > :56:18.purpose. I think you want to chief executive at understands private
:56:19. > :56:27.and public sectors and can get a grip sweat but problems. But the
:56:27. > :56:31.job might be to pick for anyone to do. -- get to grips. How would be
:56:31. > :56:35.going to find money for the other things like that in support?
:56:35. > :56:40.really have to look at how they are going to slice up the cake. It is
:56:40. > :56:47.going to be a challenge. The back of the matter is that if you do not
:56:47. > :56:52.victims held at the centre of the story there is no justice.
:56:52. > :56:59.Here is Chris Rider now what the rest of the political news week in
:56:59. > :57:04.60 seconds. Back on track, he would have
:57:04. > :57:08.thought it? Virgin trains can continue to operate for nine months
:57:08. > :57:13.across the West Coast main line. And for lying hide their owners at
:57:13. > :57:17.Manchester airport make a move to buy Stansted airport.
:57:17. > :57:23.Drugs experts from Manchester University reported that smoking
:57:23. > :57:27.cannabis was no worse than eating junk food. One doctor said that
:57:27. > :57:33.drugs education in schools was a waste of time.
:57:33. > :57:36.After ten years at indecision, finally, at his kitchen. Liverpool
:57:36. > :57:41.football club stays where it is and develops the ground. The news that
:57:41. > :57:47.the fans but not for the residents but need to move.
:57:47. > :57:54.The Fusiliers march on Westminster to stop them from disbanding the
:57:54. > :58:03.regiment. Feelings are running high. Ministers meet to less than an this
:58:03. > :58:07.Government is not unknown to make a U-turn. -- do not listen.
:58:07. > :58:17.We have tried to explain why these elections matter at it that has not
:58:17. > :58:21.
:58:21. > :58:26.worked out about this? #remember, remember it 15th
:58:26. > :58:31.November. You are collecting the police can make a -- police crime
:58:31. > :58:36.commissioner. Make sure you vote. That is one on your playlist but
:58:36. > :58:41.how do you get someone to be interested in these elections?
:58:41. > :58:45.There will not be any state subsidised election pamphlets but
:58:45. > :58:49.you would have been other elections. I'm not sure that a web site is in
:58:49. > :58:52.a book of the candidates have to get out across but territories. But
:58:52. > :58:58.I do hope that everyone and all will do what the hands engage with
:58:58. > :59:04.the electorate. Do you worry that the turnout is quite low? Some
:59:04. > :59:10.people in it might be as low as 15%. As that I looked the legitimacy of
:59:10. > :59:14.the job from the start? It does. People do not know about the police
:59:14. > :59:18.Crown Commissioners and many do not know about the elections. It has
:59:18. > :59:22.not been publicised and the candidates because of the cost
:59:22. > :59:25.limitations are not getting their message across the wide areas.
:59:25. > :59:30.has been difficult for those independent candidates to come
:59:31. > :59:34.forward. Yes that is always difficult for independence that do
:59:34. > :59:39.not have the infrastructure that political parties hat. It is
:59:39. > :59:42.another reason why political parties will dominate.