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:01:25. > :01:35.In the North West: Keeping it in the family - three councillors

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:01:35. > :39:09.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2253 seconds

:39:09. > :39:14.under one roof, but are there too Good morning. Coming up - keeping

:39:14. > :39:22.it in the family, three councillors under one roof, but are there too

:39:22. > :39:27.many politicos in politics? They are people who have actually been

:39:27. > :39:30.and work in the industries who are the engine room of the economy. We

:39:30. > :39:36.were last if our politicians properly reflect society and to

:39:37. > :39:41.better to do that with an two men who chaired debates in the Commons.

:39:41. > :39:46.Lindsay Hoyle as the Labour MP for Chorley and Nigel Evans is the

:39:46. > :39:56.Conservative MP for Ribble Valley. Both are Commons deputy speakers

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:39:58. > :40:08.and sure they are in action. Ardour, order. The one of your best

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:40:12. > :40:18.speeches. We would like to get past 1974, back on to this amendment.

:40:18. > :40:25.you understand? Do you understand? Stop it. Let us take the heat out

:40:25. > :40:33.of this debate now and stop the Colling. I am almost scared to

:40:33. > :40:39.carry on after that. So am I a! Days sometimes feel that the

:40:39. > :40:44.behaviour of MPs in the Commons does let Parliament down? The it

:40:44. > :40:48.sometimes clearly does when you have several hundred people in the

:40:48. > :40:54.rain and they are shouting at one another. Some of the cat calls can

:40:54. > :41:01.be quite funny and intelligent, but sometimes on both sides someone can

:41:01. > :41:04.let it off. What had that person done wrong? They were having a go

:41:04. > :41:08.at the Chancellor of the Exchequer all the time, so that they could

:41:08. > :41:18.not carry on with what they were saying. It happens on both sides of

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:41:21. > :41:30.the House. That is when Lindsay and I have to request control. Neither

:41:30. > :41:36.of us were shrinking violence. -- shrinking violets. But we do have

:41:36. > :41:46.the ultimate sanction. If someone has ordered out of the Commons

:41:46. > :41:46.

:41:46. > :41:50.there peace stops. -- their pay stops. They know where the line is.

:41:50. > :41:56.Six months ago nine men in Rochdale were jailed for grooming and

:41:56. > :42:01.sexually abusing young girls as young as 13. But a report out this

:42:01. > :42:04.week says it is the tip of iceberg. The deputy children's commissioner

:42:04. > :42:09.found that more than 16,000 children are at risk and in many

:42:09. > :42:12.cases the authorities are failing them. Jailed for grooming and

:42:12. > :42:18.abusing girls as young as 13, but the crimes for these young men in

:42:18. > :42:25.Rochdale were not isolated incidents. More than 2,400 children

:42:25. > :42:30.were abused by gangs between August, 2010 and October last year.

:42:30. > :42:35.This report, and this inquiry in fact, commence to just over a year

:42:35. > :42:38.ago, because of the evidence which began to emerge at the sexual

:42:38. > :42:43.exploitation of children in the context of both gangs and groups in

:42:43. > :42:51.different parts of England. In Rochdale, all those convicted

:42:51. > :43:00.were Asian. His race an issue? Usually in the cases the race of

:43:00. > :43:04.the culprit is not reported. It is right that we look at all victims

:43:04. > :43:08.in this matter, and all perpetrators. We must not allow our

:43:08. > :43:13.response and the figures to be distorted in the interest of

:43:13. > :43:19.political correctness. The report says that more needs to be done to

:43:19. > :43:24.spot the warning signs in victims. Volatile behaviour, running away,

:43:24. > :43:30.self harm and criminal behaviour. IBA to change, I was not myself

:43:30. > :43:33.anymore. I was drunk all time -- my behaviour changed.

:43:33. > :43:37.Lancashire police said a leading force when it comes to tackling

:43:37. > :43:43.sexual exploitation. So far this year they have prosecuted around

:43:43. > :43:47.100 people, where some forces at prosecuted none. If we look forward

:43:47. > :43:56.we will find it and as such we are looking for it, we are prioritising

:43:56. > :44:00.it. Ultimately, we would rather that it does not reach court, we

:44:00. > :44:04.would rather have stopped it before that.

:44:04. > :44:12.Local MPs say that people need educating, not blaming. Every boy

:44:12. > :44:18.and girl is entitled to do proper information on what constitutes a

:44:18. > :44:25.respectful relationship, so that they can grow into a healthy adult.

:44:25. > :44:31.We are joined from Leeds by Louise Vaughan from CROP, a charity

:44:31. > :44:35.working to stop sexual exploitation in towns including Blackburn. Thank

:44:35. > :44:40.you for joining us. What you think will be the significant impact of

:44:40. > :44:47.this report? We have to welcome the report because although it is very

:44:47. > :44:53.sobering, it is almost certainly more than 16,000 children who

:44:53. > :44:57.actually at risk and more or than 2,400 to have already been abused.

:44:58. > :45:03.At the moment we have not seen enough joined-up reactions from the

:45:03. > :45:09.agencies in tackling the problem. If you look nationwide now, you can

:45:09. > :45:13.identify good pockets of practice. In Lancashire, there are specific

:45:13. > :45:19.divisions of the police and social services are working together, in

:45:19. > :45:21.order to identify the victims and work with him. But what is

:45:21. > :45:26.specifically successful and result in convictions is making sure that

:45:26. > :45:29.they are involving the parents and families of the children. They are

:45:29. > :45:36.the people who often spot that something is definitely desperately

:45:36. > :45:40.wrong. Social services and police can then work as a unit in

:45:40. > :45:46.partnership but the parents to see how to get the child to start to

:45:46. > :45:50.trust the adults and is close, and see if we can start to catch their

:45:50. > :45:57.perpetrators. Do you think that the scheme will

:45:57. > :46:01.be a piece in this report... Has a surprise see how much there is?

:46:01. > :46:06.Sadly not. It is almost certainly going to be far higher than has

:46:06. > :46:12.been mentioned in the report. Our organisation takes calls from

:46:12. > :46:16.parents are across the country, rural areas, are many areas. They

:46:16. > :46:20.are desperately trying to keep their children safe from the

:46:20. > :46:24.grooming process and from these perpetrators. So it is not

:46:24. > :46:30.surprising. Louise Vaughan, thank you for

:46:30. > :46:37.joining us. One thing that I should point out

:46:37. > :46:40.is that attack initiation, but also by now does, and the NSPCC, said

:46:40. > :46:45.that he did not specifically want to talk about the questions of the

:46:45. > :46:50.Asian grooming, which we know has been an issue in Rochdale and

:46:50. > :46:54.elsewhere. To what extent do you think that we might be ducking an

:46:54. > :47:03.important issue there? I do not think you can ducky any of their

:47:03. > :47:08.issues as far as children used his -- tell the piece is concerned. We

:47:08. > :47:13.need to look at their legislation and see if that it is far more

:47:13. > :47:18.rigorous than it has been until now. But these are not individuals being

:47:18. > :47:22.abused by family members, which we know goes on far too much at this

:47:22. > :47:27.point in time, this is gangs. We have to look at a report when it

:47:27. > :47:33.fully comes out. But I do not think that just because of sums to

:47:33. > :47:36.accusation that they could be a problem with racial abuse that we

:47:36. > :47:41.should duck the question. Do you think that might be what has

:47:41. > :47:45.happened here? It is not highlighted in the report are.

:47:45. > :47:48.think we need to be honest and upfront and have an open discussion.

:47:48. > :47:52.The community ought to come forward and say that we have a problem in

:47:52. > :47:57.the community, this is a gang the area that we need to the cat. That

:47:57. > :48:00.needs to be brought the attention of social services and police. We

:48:00. > :48:06.have to accept that whether we like it or not this take place in

:48:06. > :48:10.Rochdale, it is a gang of Asian youth. This is not a community,

:48:10. > :48:16.this is a gang within the community. We know that this has been copied

:48:16. > :48:21.with another areas well. The MP for Rochdale has been very upfront

:48:21. > :48:24.about where the blame lies. suspect is well that the Asian

:48:24. > :48:28.community themselves would want this investigated and death there

:48:28. > :48:33.is an issue they would want it exposed. But what I am trying to

:48:33. > :48:38.get at his has the report that it in the way that some people very

:48:38. > :48:44.clearly see that it has. The report is very robust, no matter what

:48:44. > :48:51.people are saying. We more -- we know that over 2,400 children have

:48:51. > :48:58.been abused. It is totally unacceptable. What we have to face

:48:58. > :49:04.up to his, who has taken out is a piece? Is it purely Asian gangs? We

:49:04. > :49:08.know what is greater than that. But where it is an Asian gang and it is

:49:08. > :49:12.a problem in the community, quite rightly, the community does not one

:49:12. > :49:17.that happen and they need to deal with that in the same way as anyone

:49:17. > :49:21.who knows that abuses taking place. Come forward, let the police nor

:49:21. > :49:25.and ensure that that is not happen to other young people.

:49:25. > :49:29.We'll let them to represent us in Parliament and in the council

:49:29. > :49:33.chamber. How representative of society are ever politicians. The

:49:33. > :49:42.poor turnout for the police commissioner elections has

:49:42. > :49:45.certainly raised questions about the interest in politics in our

:49:45. > :49:50.society. In times gone by, we knew whatever

:49:50. > :49:55.politicians look like. They looked like white men, then you look like

:49:55. > :50:02.old might -- old white men with facial hair, then old white men

:50:02. > :50:08.with less facial hair. But what about today?

:50:08. > :50:12.This looks like a normal family having breakfast. All three set on

:50:12. > :50:20.West Lancashire a pirate Council. How often is the discussion around

:50:20. > :50:28.here about politics? -- Lancashire council. The it is

:50:28. > :50:34.pretty length -- regular. It is not just a few meetings and council

:50:34. > :50:38.chambers, you're making a difference. Quite a lot of people

:50:38. > :50:48.feel quite distanced from politics, if their parents are not involved

:50:48. > :50:53.they will not know anything to stop -- anything.

:50:53. > :51:01.Lucy is somewhat of an exception. Councillors in their twenties light

:51:01. > :51:07.shone make-up just 1.7 per cent of the total. He is in charge of

:51:07. > :51:13.Trafford council's Budget. It is difficult. I have had to overcome a

:51:13. > :51:21.credibility barrier. It is something that I want to carry on

:51:21. > :51:25.doing. I found that their reaction has been quite positive.

:51:25. > :51:29.difficult is it in Trafford? after it makes it very easy for

:51:29. > :51:34.people to be involved. They have a lot of their meetings in the

:51:34. > :51:42.evenings. It you think that he is relatively young age raises a few

:51:42. > :51:51.eyebrows today, but Sir Robert Peel made the journey to the Houses of

:51:51. > :51:58.Parliament by the age of 21. Currently, the average age is 52.

:51:58. > :52:05.Just 3% are from ethnic minorities, and 98 per cent of the region's

:52:05. > :52:10.councillors are white. You can have difficulties. I remember going to

:52:10. > :52:19.one Labour selection the ages of going one person said to me, will

:52:19. > :52:29.you changing the myths we selectee as a candidate to get you a more or

:52:29. > :52:37.anglicised name -- will you change your name? Nine were previously

:52:37. > :52:47.lawyers, and nine were formerly at Oxbridge. One play the keyboard for

:52:47. > :52:48.

:52:48. > :52:58.Rick Astley. I think it is very difficult to explain to people who

:52:58. > :53:03.

:53:04. > :53:13.have never been in the industry. This end he was elected in his six

:53:14. > :53:14.

:53:14. > :53:18.days to serve his local area. -- this MP.

:53:18. > :53:23.We have next and it -- we have met a mixture of races and ages

:53:23. > :53:33.involved in politics in this region. The variety is now more than it has

:53:33. > :53:34.

:53:34. > :53:40.ever been in the past, but it is possibly the case that but there

:53:40. > :53:45.are too few exceptions to the rule. We are joined by Duncan O'Leary

:53:45. > :53:49.from the think tank Demos. He says that part of his job is to knock

:53:49. > :53:52.down ivory-tower is in better connect people and communities and

:53:52. > :53:58.give them a voice. How worried should we be about this question

:53:58. > :54:03.mark I think it is a problem. country, we have made a decent

:54:03. > :54:09.progress in recent years. We have far more women in Parliament than

:54:09. > :54:14.we debt in 1997. We also have more MPs from ethnic minority

:54:14. > :54:20.backgrounds. One area we have been going backwards on his on social

:54:20. > :54:28.class and how representative parliament is in that respect. Of

:54:28. > :54:33.the 2010 intake of MPs, 94 per cent went to university. A large

:54:33. > :54:38.percentage also went to private school, compared with 7% of the

:54:38. > :54:43.population. Why does it matter to you so much? I think it matters to

:54:43. > :54:49.people because when you look at who is making the loss of the land, you

:54:49. > :54:57.want to see people who look and sound like you. -- the laws of the

:54:57. > :55:01.land. Do people really worry about it, or is it you worrying about it?

:55:01. > :55:07.His actual evidence that people are less likely to vote for people if

:55:07. > :55:11.they are not a woman, are not black, or whatever else? They are two

:55:11. > :55:17.things. The question of trust in politics. A BBC survey last year

:55:17. > :55:22.found that while that more than half of people in the middle

:55:22. > :55:26.classes feel that they are well represented in parliament, a large

:55:26. > :55:29.percentage of working-class people felt that they were not. It is also

:55:29. > :55:35.about the type of priorities that are reflected in Parliament

:55:35. > :55:40.themselves. Most people would agree that getting more women into

:55:40. > :55:43.Parliament have brought things like family life, getting time off work

:55:43. > :55:48.to see their children, at the forefront of politics the way they

:55:48. > :55:51.had never been before. If when you look at the front bench of politics,

:55:51. > :56:00.do you wish it was more representative? The House should

:56:00. > :56:06.reflect, quite rightly, the country. I'm proud to have been born and

:56:06. > :56:09.brought up in my constituency. We have got to reflect better. We have

:56:09. > :56:14.to recruit better with then a political parties, making sure

:56:14. > :56:18.everyone has a chance to come forward as an MP. Whatever you're

:56:18. > :56:25.social background. I do not think that we do recruit well. I think we

:56:25. > :56:29.could recruit better. We should have more or women members within

:56:29. > :56:34.the Labour Party. We have to start at that level as well. Quite

:56:34. > :56:38.rightly, we should reflect the whole of society, not just a small

:56:38. > :56:44.part of society. The only way to do that is to recruit more people and

:56:44. > :56:53.give people more opportunities to come forward. He were both white,

:56:53. > :56:58.middle aged oaks, and perceived to be excellent end peace -- men.

:56:58. > :57:08.remember when I got elected in 1991 and one of the questions asked to

:57:08. > :57:18.

:57:18. > :57:22.me was about the make-up of Parliament. At the time I said that

:57:22. > :57:27.we were doing quite well. But we are going to take another hundred

:57:27. > :57:31.years to get to the state were more women are being elected. We have to

:57:31. > :57:37.motivate people to become members of parliament. I can understand why

:57:37. > :57:41.many of them do not want to become MPs. But we need to do a lot more

:57:42. > :57:46.to encourage more people to put themselves forward. It is local

:57:46. > :57:50.associations themselves in the main who select their candidates, and we

:57:50. > :57:56.have to educate them a bit better. The Conservative Party have a lot

:57:56. > :58:02.of women sitting on panels to for some strange reason want to select

:58:02. > :58:07.men. We need a bit of education there as well. The women that we

:58:08. > :58:13.have an parliaments make a fantastic contribution. We recruit

:58:13. > :58:17.a lot of young people into politics, we have got him interested. We now

:58:17. > :58:24.have three councillors under the age of 22. That must be all of

:58:24. > :58:31.them! There is only 2% of them under 30. The rest of the region is

:58:31. > :58:36.following. But we are doing a good job. I say that I came off the

:58:36. > :58:43.council when I was 39 to come off Parliament. I was one of the

:58:43. > :58:47.youngest councillors. We are now having councillors elected in 19

:58:47. > :58:52.and 20. It must continue. One in as well. We are making a difference

:58:52. > :58:57.and we expect the local authorities to do the same. Do you think things

:58:57. > :59:00.are getting better or worse? depends a bit on the measure that

:59:00. > :59:06.could take. We have more women and people from ethnic minority

:59:06. > :59:11.backgrounds, but on the class issue we are going backwards. They are 90

:59:11. > :59:13.MPs in Parliament to have never worked outside politics as well. As

:59:13. > :59:18.well as the traditional understanding of diversity that

:59:18. > :59:28.they might have, there is also the question of life experience that

:59:28. > :59:34.MPs are able to bring as well. That is to do with their idea of cliques.

:59:34. > :59:44.It is about broadening out the selection process so that we are

:59:44. > :59:49.

:59:49. > :59:52.let people who look a bit more like the country were 11. Time for a

:59:52. > :59:55.round-up of the rest of the week's news now - here's Ryan Mills with

:59:55. > :59:58.60 Seconds. The Attorney General is to apply to the High Court for

:59:58. > :00:00.fresh inquests into the deaths of 96 fans at Hillsborough. Dominic

:00:00. > :00:04.Grieve wants the original verdicts of accidental death overturned.

:00:04. > :00:07.Around 300 jobs may have to go at Blackpool Council next year to save

:00:07. > :00:10.more than �13 million. Staff will also be asked to take four more

:00:10. > :00:13.days' unpaid leave. In a bit of a spin - Liverpool

:00:13. > :00:18.Mayor Joe Anderson was forced to defend the �90,000 salary on offer

:00:18. > :00:21.to applicants to head the City's PR department.

:00:21. > :00:24.Liverpool as an international city with an international brand. We

:00:24. > :00:29.want to bring in investment and jobs and this will enable us to do

:00:29. > :00:32.that. Following the leader - the region's

:00:32. > :00:34.newest parliamentarian, Lucy Powell, joined Ed Miliband as she got to

:00:34. > :00:37.work as MP for Manchester Central. And what's voter apathy? Undeterred

:00:37. > :00:40.by the turnout in the police commissioner vote, the South Lakes

:00:40. > :00:42.MP Tim Farron is calling for directly-elected positions on the

:00:42. > :00:52.National Park authorities. He says local people currently have no

:00:52. > :00:55.

:00:55. > :00:59.control. Forget Budget day and the State

:00:59. > :01:03.Opening of Parliament, it is Lancashire Day next week. Were you

:01:03. > :01:07.will have an opportunity to display the fantastic Foods, beers and

:01:07. > :01:11.other products which come from Lancashire at the House of Commons.

:01:11. > :01:18.MPs from the rest of the country can come and sample what we have

:01:18. > :01:22.got to do display. We have the names of some cheese and beer

:01:22. > :01:31.manufacturers. I money is then not ten stone heavier than I am because