:01:30. > :01:40.All change at the birthplace of the NHS. And: The haves and have-nots of
:01:40. > :01:40.
:01:40. > :38:44.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2223 seconds
:38:44. > :38:47.EU funding - the losing councils Coming up in the North West.
:38:47. > :38:57.The haves and have-nots of European Union funding - the losing councils
:38:57. > :38:58.
:38:58. > :39:04.blame London not Brussels. This is a gerrymandering and the government
:39:04. > :39:07.has stolen that money, perhaps because they have no MPs here, I'd
:39:07. > :39:10.have given it to areas where they do have some representation.
:39:10. > :39:12.And joining us this week, UKIP's deputy leader and North West Euro
:39:12. > :39:14.MP, Paul Nuttall, and the Conservative MP for Warrington
:39:14. > :39:17.South, David Mowat. And we start with Trafford General Hospital,
:39:17. > :39:20.widely regarded as the birthplace of the NHS. This week the Health
:39:20. > :39:30.Secretary Jeremy Hunt finally confirmed plans for a reorganisation
:39:30. > :39:31.
:39:31. > :39:36.that includes the downgrade of Accident and Emeregency.
:39:36. > :39:40.National clinical advisory team of independent health professionals has
:39:40. > :39:44.advised me that there will be clinical and safety issues if the
:39:44. > :39:50.hospital continues practising as it currently does, and I accept their
:39:50. > :39:59.advice. What do you make of this, Paul? It is a decision based on
:39:59. > :40:06.economic grounds. There are only six to 12 people who use it between the
:40:06. > :40:10.hours of three and 12pm, and quite frankly, this is basically down to
:40:10. > :40:17.economics and it is not viable to keep it open. Do you agree with
:40:17. > :40:21.this, David? I do agree with that, the Secretary of State said this was
:40:21. > :40:25.a clinical decision, not driven by money. Two people per hour going
:40:25. > :40:31.into an a in the service when there is another 110 minutes away is not
:40:31. > :40:37.an effective service. -- when there is another AMD service ten minutes
:40:37. > :40:41.away. Both of you thought this was the right decision, this is what
:40:42. > :40:46.opponents thought. There might be excellently in the department in the
:40:46. > :40:54.surrounding area, but the fact is that these EMTs are struggling to
:40:54. > :40:56.cope. You'll Mac years after Nye Bevan opens the NHS at this hospital
:40:56. > :41:00.we have this Secretary of State rushing out an announcement without
:41:00. > :41:08.the scrutiny of local MPs about eight major downgrade of the
:41:08. > :41:15.hospital. David Uber not in favour of merging hospitals. This was not
:41:15. > :41:19.proposed in Warrington. I am just looking at Andy Burnham there, he
:41:19. > :41:23.cannot seriously be of the view that the NHS is a static thing that can
:41:23. > :41:27.never be changed, and anything that anyone comes up with a relatively
:41:27. > :41:31.small configuration to make clinical outcomes better, that means less
:41:31. > :41:37.people dying, it cannot be immediately against it as he
:41:37. > :41:42.appears. Paul, UKIP's health policy, and you are the fundamental
:41:42. > :41:48.reorganisation. We want to streamline it. We were oppose any
:41:48. > :41:52.change to the NHS which is selfish. They are bringing up there for our
:41:52. > :41:57.children and grandchildren. What about your policy? We want to
:41:57. > :42:00.streamline the NHS. Would you reduce funding? Funding will have to be
:42:00. > :42:04.reduced but in the end we will have to look at a different way of
:42:04. > :42:13.funding health care in the 21st-century. We are getting older
:42:13. > :42:15.and drugs are becoming more expensive. Labour wants to increase
:42:15. > :42:22.funding by the NHS and the Conservatives have stuck to that
:42:22. > :42:27.funding formula, you would reduce it? National debt has gone up. Each
:42:27. > :42:32.household is �30,000 in debt. We must look at changes. It is the
:42:32. > :42:36.fourth largest employer in the world. All is right, there are
:42:36. > :42:39.issues in the NHS to do with an ageing population, direct response
:42:39. > :42:42.is not to cut funding but to run it more efficiently and better.
:42:42. > :42:45.Now, at a time when the government's encouraging schools to look after
:42:45. > :42:47.themselves, one of our councils is urging them to work together to
:42:47. > :42:50.raise standards. This week the former Labour Education Secretary
:42:50. > :42:52.Baroness Morris has published a report into Liverpool's schools.
:42:52. > :43:02.Among her ideas is a new local partnership to oversee the
:43:02. > :43:03.
:43:03. > :43:09.Liverpool's own curriculum. Claire Hamilton reports. This is a
:43:09. > :43:13.Liverpool success story. In urban school where reading ability exceeds
:43:13. > :43:17.national standards. We have a passion for enabling children to
:43:17. > :43:26.read well. We try to help families to read for pleasure together. We
:43:27. > :43:31.have excellent resources. Sometimes when I feel bored or have nothing to
:43:31. > :43:39.do, I get a book and set down. the stingiest stinker who ever
:43:39. > :43:41.lived. There are different varieties and I like books. The government
:43:41. > :43:45.policy hasn't seen the implementation of the Free Schools.
:43:45. > :43:49.According to this report, other pool schools are working more closely
:43:49. > :43:52.than ever before. The advantage to schools in joining this partnership
:43:52. > :43:57.includes working together to cut costs, raising money in a new
:43:57. > :44:01.relationship with the council as part of the executive board. We can
:44:01. > :44:05.work with schools already in academies, and work with schools who
:44:05. > :44:09.are not to make sure we can all work together to deliver a better
:44:09. > :44:12.standard for children in this city. It is thought that Liverpool is
:44:12. > :44:18.among the first places in the country to develop this new model of
:44:18. > :44:21.school cooperation. We are coming together to decide on what schools
:44:21. > :44:26.want themselves with the local authority, not dictated by the local
:44:26. > :44:32.authority. There are dangers of people viewing this partnership as
:44:32. > :44:35.another level of authority and there are similarities, for example the
:44:35. > :44:40.aisle looking at providing efficient services, they need to buy together
:44:40. > :44:43.to make it more economic. Liverpool City Council hopes that this will
:44:43. > :44:46.address a deep rooted problems that see too many children unable to be
:44:46. > :44:53.when the primary school. And we're also joined now by the
:44:53. > :44:58.author of that report - the former Education Secretary Estelle Morris.
:44:58. > :45:02.First of all, if we look briefly at standards in Liverpool, one in five
:45:02. > :45:08.seven to 11-year-olds do not meet national standards of reading. That
:45:08. > :45:10.is not good enough, is it? No, it is not. The figures are about the
:45:10. > :45:15.national average and if we compare them to the core cities, large
:45:15. > :45:20.cities similar to Liverpool, the only at the top of that group. The
:45:20. > :45:24.national average is not good enough. But it is much better than when
:45:24. > :45:27.Liverpool was when I last worked with the city one decade ago. Let's
:45:27. > :45:30.acknowledge that it paid tribute to the skills of the teachers and
:45:30. > :45:36.school leaders who have brought that about. You were schools minister and
:45:36. > :45:42.they were always -- almost brought into special measures. Improvements
:45:42. > :45:46.have been made. This is the feeling that I have gone from Oracle in the
:45:46. > :45:50.past year, being the national average is not what people in
:45:50. > :45:55.Liverpool want to settle for. They want to be higher than the national
:45:55. > :45:59.average by as much as the can. We do not want any child leaving school
:45:59. > :46:03.without the ability to read. will your recommendations improve
:46:03. > :46:08.this? The things that mean the difference in the quality of
:46:08. > :46:11.teaching in the classroom. We have many good schools in the city, but
:46:11. > :46:18.standards of teaching could still get higher and schools can support
:46:18. > :46:22.one another. What can we learn about from -- what can we learn about what
:46:22. > :46:26.works elsewhere? We have seen good practice from within the city and
:46:26. > :46:30.outside of the city which we hope to bring home so every school and
:46:30. > :46:34.experience it. It is not only the teachers, and one of the things that
:46:34. > :46:39.I have been thrilled about is the eagerness and willingness of
:46:39. > :46:44.people, not just teachers and mums and dads to play their part, and we
:46:44. > :46:49.would like to make Liverpool the same year reading city, and that
:46:49. > :46:53.would be an opportunity for a free city to children read. What about
:46:53. > :46:57.your idea about the Liverpool learning partnership? What is the
:46:57. > :47:03.difference between that and the local education authority? A lot of
:47:03. > :47:06.deference. It is a different organisation, there is a move at the
:47:06. > :47:11.moment for schools to be independent and work for themselves. That is a
:47:11. > :47:15.good thing, head teachers must be free to make decisions. If you look
:47:15. > :47:20.at how Liverpool has improved over the past ten years it is by working
:47:20. > :47:24.together. We do not want to lose that sense of partnership, every
:47:24. > :47:27.school once the best for their own children, that is their job. I have
:47:27. > :47:31.not met a teacher in the city that does not want the best for all
:47:31. > :47:36.Liverpool children. That is at the core of the Liverpool learning
:47:36. > :47:39.partnership. Doing the best for the children in your school but sharing
:47:39. > :47:45.responsibility for all Liverpool children. Just the tiny correction
:47:45. > :47:48.with your introduction, in my commission I have been the chairman
:47:48. > :47:51.of a number of commissions and I have been very eager to take this
:47:51. > :47:57.Liverpool learning partnership and put it at the centre of our
:47:57. > :48:02.recommendations but it has already been put in place and is being
:48:02. > :48:06.driven very much by head teachers and teachers in the city. They will
:48:06. > :48:14.drive it and that is why it will be a success. I take your point there.
:48:14. > :48:18.All, what do you make of this? all sounds like apple pie to me.
:48:18. > :48:22.There are certain parts of the report that I quite like, and I
:48:22. > :48:25.think that Michael Gove is going in the right direction and his ideas
:48:25. > :48:32.for a new national curriculum are very good indeed. That will be the
:48:32. > :48:38.drive that will get children learning. New Labour wants to go
:48:38. > :48:43.further. New Labour had this literacy hour, which I remember, but
:48:43. > :48:47.obviously it has not worked because we own and end the situation...
:48:47. > :48:52.have gone well past that and are talking about where we go from here.
:48:52. > :48:56.The problem we have in this country is that we must go back to academic
:48:56. > :49:02.selection, down the line, it cannot be right that the top eight schools
:49:02. > :49:07.in Britain send more children to Oxford and Cambridge than the Autumn
:49:07. > :49:12.2000 schools put together. Grammar schools? I would like to see a
:49:12. > :49:20.grammar school in every single time, to give children the opportunity to
:49:20. > :49:23.better themselves. David?Back to still's model, it seems to me that
:49:23. > :49:29.provided this does not introduce a level of bureaucracy that sucks
:49:29. > :49:33.resources out of schools, because what kids need is more teachers and
:49:33. > :49:37.not less. Divided we are not putting something into place that does not
:49:37. > :49:45.undermine that and does not take away the headmaster's accountability
:49:45. > :49:49.to standard in his own school, I have no problem with that. The
:49:49. > :49:55.really key thing is that we need more teachers and not less and less
:49:55. > :50:00.must not result in more teachers -- must not result in less teachers.
:50:00. > :50:03.This goes against government policy? Government policy is to make
:50:03. > :50:09.headteachers accountable and to give them the risk -- give them the
:50:09. > :50:13.resort is to change things. Take the resources within the local education
:50:13. > :50:17.authorities and give the schools the ability to have more teachers. It is
:50:17. > :50:21.teachers that increase standards and if this proposal is against that I
:50:21. > :50:29.would have difficulty seeing how it would work. What matters is
:50:29. > :50:34.teachers. Is Dell, let me come back to you, what do you make of David's
:50:34. > :50:39.warning that this could lead to more bureaucracy? I take the point but I
:50:39. > :50:42.do not think it will. We will have to keep our eye on that,
:50:42. > :50:45.headteachers can join this if they want to do, the decision will be
:50:45. > :50:50.theirs. They will still get all of the devolved budget that the
:50:50. > :50:55.well-known. No one wants to take away from the headteacher's rates to
:50:55. > :51:00.run the own school, but every school needs to be challenged. We need our
:51:00. > :51:04.teachers to work with schools that are not as good to raise the
:51:04. > :51:07.standards. This will be the key thing in the partnership. I believe
:51:07. > :51:12.it will offer the finest quality of support that Liverpool schools have
:51:12. > :51:17.ever had. We will raise the standards of school leadership and
:51:17. > :51:22.teaching. I have no shadow of a doubt that this will not work for --
:51:22. > :51:25.that if this does not work for school teachers in Liverpool then it
:51:25. > :51:27.is entirely up to them. I am confident. Estelle Morris, thank you
:51:27. > :51:30.very much. Now, Liverpool's Echo Arena, airport
:51:30. > :51:33.and Capital of Culture programme all benefited from European cash. But
:51:33. > :51:35.this year the British government has changed the system. Rather than
:51:35. > :51:37.poorer areas getting priority, it's being shared out across all of
:51:37. > :51:40.England's Local Enterprise Partnerships which look after local
:51:40. > :51:43.economies. It means some places have done better than ever before, while
:51:43. > :51:46.places like Merseyside have lost out. Here's Stuart Pollitt. European
:51:46. > :51:56.money it may be. But how it's spent has become a domestic political
:51:56. > :52:08.
:52:08. > :52:14.money has changed Liverpool's landscape. This building was built
:52:14. > :52:22.six years ago, what has the impact been? It has made is competitive in
:52:22. > :52:27.the global environment. Liverpool 's School of tropical medicine has
:52:27. > :52:32.taken in �9 million of the money. use the money to move to the
:52:32. > :52:36.building next door and attracted the brightest minds to this region. We
:52:36. > :52:42.have been in this building around six years and in that six years we
:52:42. > :52:46.have doubled funding. The tentacles of European investment spread right
:52:46. > :52:52.across Liverpool for almost 15 million for the capital of culture,
:52:52. > :52:56.to around 50 million for the Echo Arena development here on the
:52:56. > :53:03.waterfront. There are concerns that the money from Brussels is no more
:53:03. > :53:09.of a track of any flood. We have had two floods -- two thirds cut from
:53:09. > :53:14.our last financial programme. That is around �150 million lost to the
:53:14. > :53:18.region. This is because the EU used to distribute the money directly to
:53:18. > :53:20.reasons like Liverpool. government has decided to share the
:53:20. > :53:27.money around through local enterprise partnerships. Not
:53:27. > :53:31.everyone finds this palatable. You only need to travel 50 miles to
:53:31. > :53:35.Warrington to discover that. Cheshire and Warrington will note
:53:35. > :53:42.received more money than other parts of the North West. They are likely
:53:42. > :53:50.to get a per person, congrats to 147 in Liverpool and hundred and 45 in
:53:50. > :53:55.Manchester. Lancashire and Cumbria do better with �182 per head.
:53:55. > :53:58.miles from Liverpool we have some serious deprivation. In Warrington
:53:58. > :54:01.they are spending the money on this giant industrial estate. What do you
:54:01. > :54:05.say to those people who say that Warrington and Cheshire are
:54:05. > :54:09.prosperous and do not need the money? The Mac if you want
:54:09. > :54:12.sustainable growth to drive the country out of recession then the
:54:12. > :54:17.best place to put a limited amount of money is in places like Cheshire
:54:17. > :54:20.and Warrington. It is clear that this is regeneration money and you
:54:20. > :54:25.do not need to give regeneration money to areas with a booming or
:54:25. > :54:30.well founded economy. This is a gerrymandering of a scheme meant to
:54:30. > :54:34.assist areas like Liverpool and the government have stolen that money.
:54:34. > :54:39.The prime minister defended the decision in the Commons. We have
:54:39. > :54:42.done a very fair assessment not only between the regions in the United
:54:42. > :54:45.Kingdom but between the nations of the United Kingdom about how to
:54:45. > :54:50.distribute this money and we have done it any fairway. European money
:54:50. > :54:54.this may be, but how it is spent as now become a very domestic political
:54:54. > :55:00.spat. Paul, are you disappointed that
:55:00. > :55:05.Merseysiders getting less? Let me say that there is no such thing as
:55:05. > :55:10.you money. We give them �53 per day and they give us half back and tell
:55:10. > :55:13.us how to spend it. What has happened is that the EU has given us
:55:13. > :55:17.have our money back in the government has decided that it
:55:17. > :55:22.should not be going to Liverpool, but to Wales, Northern Ireland and
:55:22. > :55:26.Scotland. I especially think that maybe with the Scottish element that
:55:26. > :55:31.has to do with the independence referendum. So you are disappointed
:55:31. > :55:34.with the distribution? I am disappointed we get money to the
:55:34. > :55:40.European Union at all. Do you think the government would spend this
:55:40. > :55:45.money on places like Liverpool as it did not go to Europe? That would be
:55:45. > :55:48.down to the democratically elected people in Westminster. This would be
:55:48. > :55:51.down to the MPs in Westminster and you do not have confidence in them?
:55:51. > :55:55.If you do not like what the government does you can vote them
:55:55. > :55:59.out of -- after five years, you cannot do this with the European
:55:59. > :56:02.commission. You would be happy to stop the money going to Europe in
:56:02. > :56:05.the money going to Europe and he would put your faith in the
:56:05. > :56:11.government to put the rigid -- to PDB generation money to Merseyside.
:56:11. > :56:15.I would prefer everyone's taxes were spent in this country and the vast
:56:15. > :56:20.majority of funding goes to the sub editing in state and specifically
:56:20. > :56:24.Eastern Europe. It is our money and it should stay here. David, the
:56:24. > :56:30.argument about the current system is that it is not fair. I agree with
:56:30. > :56:35.Paul, it is not like this allocation is done by the EU. We could be doing
:56:35. > :56:39.this ourselves. Would we do it ourselves? That is the point I am
:56:39. > :56:44.making. At the money was not going to Brussels, we would not be
:56:44. > :56:49.spending it. That is not true, let's go back to the Merseyside issue.
:56:49. > :56:52.Liverpool has had less money in this six-year period and that is true.
:56:52. > :56:57.The last time, Liverpool was a Q1 region it was one of the most
:56:57. > :57:04.deprived parts of Europe with a large amount of money given to it in
:57:04. > :57:09.the first three years. The biggest amount of money was in 2009 /2000 --
:57:09. > :57:13.2010, when the money was reduced by two thirds. We are increasing the
:57:13. > :57:22.money. This is the complex subject and we have made it more simple than
:57:22. > :57:24.it is. Liverpool is well funded. Things will get worse. I have no
:57:24. > :57:33.sympathy for Joe Anderson or the Lib Dems in Liverpool because quite
:57:33. > :57:37.frankly, or the Tories because there are none, but the political parties
:57:37. > :57:44.and support the expansion of the EU into Turkey, Cameron even spoke
:57:44. > :57:49.about taking the EU as far as the corals, and this means that border
:57:49. > :57:56.counties will fall under the EU. This is about funding in Liverpool,
:57:56. > :58:01.not Turkey. What I would say is that Liverpool has just received �75
:58:01. > :58:05.million of new money under the city deals programme, a devolution of
:58:05. > :58:09.money that was spent in Whitehall before. At the men under this
:58:09. > :58:14.government because we are determined to default money from London in the
:58:14. > :58:19.centre to the cities. Let's stick with this for a second. Why is it
:58:19. > :58:23.fair that there is more money going to wait ends in Cheshire and
:58:23. > :58:27.Merseyside? It is slightly more and it is slightly more and letters to
:58:27. > :58:34.do with the formula. There are deprived parts of Warrington and in
:58:34. > :58:37.the past... There are more deprived part in Merseyside. In the past we
:58:37. > :58:41.have had less money in Warrington than Merseyside, and this year
:58:41. > :58:46.because of the formula that has come out higher. The real reason that
:58:46. > :58:49.Liverpool has less than it did six years ago is that Liverpool's
:58:49. > :58:57.economy has come on in leaps and bounds and we should be pleased
:58:57. > :59:02.about that. Paul? Liverpool's economy is doing well, you have the
:59:02. > :59:08.Liverpool one project that was financed independently. The fact of
:59:08. > :59:13.the matter is that this is British taxpayers money. The �53 million per
:59:13. > :59:16.day should stay in our country to be spent on schools and hospitals and
:59:16. > :59:22.on transport networks, not being sent to Portugal, Greece, Spain and
:59:22. > :59:26.wherever else, to be spent on ensuring that the farmers get to
:59:26. > :59:32.keep... The money would not go to parts of the UK either. What do you
:59:32. > :59:36.mean? The argument is that the British government would not be
:59:36. > :59:41.spending this money themselves. They have other priorities, like paying
:59:41. > :59:47.off the deficit. How do you know? Because of what the government said,
:59:47. > :59:52.their priority is paid off the deficit. Paul is right, we put more
:59:52. > :59:56.money into the EU that -- can we get out. It is time for the rest of the
:59:56. > :59:59.week's news. The Attorney General referred Stuart
:59:59. > :00:01.Hall's 15-month prison sentence for indecent assault to the court of
:00:01. > :00:08.appeal. Dominic Grieve said he'd received complaints it was too
:00:08. > :00:12.lenient. Getting RUFF justice - the lawyer known as Mr Loophole has
:00:12. > :00:21.taken up a canine cause close to his heart. Nick Freeman has two himself
:00:21. > :00:25.and says their reputation is unjustified. All they want to do is
:00:25. > :00:28.let you to death, be with you and look after you. He loved being with
:00:28. > :00:30.their families. Also coming in for criticism, but not in the firing
:00:30. > :00:33.line yet, are seagulls - Environmental health officers in
:00:33. > :00:39.Cumbria say complaints are on the up, but culling them isn't the
:00:39. > :00:42.answer. A visitor centre opened at the Heysham Nuclear Power Station to
:00:42. > :00:45.mark 30 years of service. The two reactors are due to be
:00:45. > :00:48.decommissioned in 15 years' time. And the Manx government promised
:00:48. > :00:58.�1.6 million to give Douglas promenade a lick of paint. It's part
:00:58. > :01:02.
:01:02. > :01:07.of a four-year redevelopment. David, before we end, MPs salaries
:01:07. > :01:11.have very much been in the news. Do you deserve a pay rise? Your Mac
:01:11. > :01:18.whether we do or not, I do not think we should have won. If it does come
:01:18. > :01:24.in I will give my proportion of it to a charity. Paul as they do get a