:00:34. > :00:37.Morning, folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics, where we're talking
:00:38. > :00:46.about the Europe-wide contest that really matters. No, not Eurovision.
:00:47. > :00:49.The European elections. There are local elections across England too
:00:50. > :00:53.on May 22nd. The party leaders are campaigning ahead of polling day.
:00:54. > :00:59.The results could be a pointer to the Big One, May 2015. We'll be
:01:00. > :01:02.speaking to the man in charge of Labour's election battle plan. Has
:01:03. > :01:06.the opposition really got its sights set on all-out victory in 2015? Or
:01:07. > :01:12.will it just be content with squeaking home? And you can't
:01:13. > :01:16.mention elections these days without talking about the impact of this
:01:17. > :01:20.man, Nigel Farage. I'll be asking him if UKIP really is fit
:01:21. > :01:25.And in the North West. What's the future for AstraZeneca?
:01:26. > :01:28.And: Whetting the appetite for the European elections ` we get a
:01:29. > :01:29.flavour of what's influencing your vote.
:01:30. > :01:37.boroughs. What will make a difference to the way you vote?
:01:38. > :01:41.And I'm joined by three journalists guaranteed to bring a touch of
:01:42. > :01:44.Eurovision glamour to your Sunday morning. With views more
:01:45. > :01:47.controversial than a bearded Austrian drag act and twice the
:01:48. > :01:57.dress sense, it's Nick Watt, Helen Lewis and Janan Ganesh. So you might
:01:58. > :02:00.have thought you've already heard David Cameron promise an in-out
:02:01. > :02:07.referendum on EU membership in 2017 if he's still Prime Minister. Many
:02:08. > :02:09.times. Many, many times. Well he obviously doesn't think you've been
:02:10. > :02:14.listening, because he's been saying it again today. Here he is speaking
:02:15. > :02:17.to the BBC earlier. We will hold a referendum by the end of 2017. It
:02:18. > :02:21.will be a referendum on an in-out basis. Do we stay in a reformed
:02:22. > :02:24.European Union or do we leave? And I've said very clearly that whatever
:02:25. > :02:28.the outcome of the next election, and of course I want an overall
:02:29. > :02:30.majority and I'm hoping and believing I can win an overall
:02:31. > :02:34.majority, that people should be in no doubt I will not become Prime
:02:35. > :02:45.Minister unless I can guarantee that we will hold a referendum. Here's
:02:46. > :02:49.saying there that an overall majority there will definitely be a
:02:50. > :02:52.referendum. If these are the minority position, he won't form a
:02:53. > :02:57.new coalition unless they agree to a referendum, too. The Lib Dems a
:02:58. > :03:00.pulmonary agree to that. They probably will because the Prime
:03:01. > :03:04.ministers have a strong argument which is I gave you a referendum
:03:05. > :03:07.back in 2010 so the least I need is theirs and the Lib Dems are the only
:03:08. > :03:12.party who have stood in recent elections on a clear mandate to hold
:03:13. > :03:15.a referendum, so it is difficult for them to say no, there was
:03:16. > :03:19.interesting the interview he did earlier today. He named everything
:03:20. > :03:25.was going to ask for. The most controversial with him, as he said
:03:26. > :03:30.in his speech last year, he wants to take Britain out of the commitment
:03:31. > :03:34.to make the European Union and ever closer union. That is a very big
:03:35. > :03:38.ask, but the point is, he may well get it because the choice for the
:03:39. > :03:43.European Union now, France and Germany, is a clear wonderful do
:03:44. > :03:47.Britain in or out? Previously, it was can you put up with a British
:03:48. > :03:51.prime ministers being annoying? I think you'll find the answer is they
:03:52. > :03:56.are willing to pay a price but not any price to keep Britain in. In
:03:57. > :04:01.this scenario, Labour would have lost the election again because we
:04:02. > :04:04.are talking the slowly happen if Mr Cameron is the largest party or has
:04:05. > :04:10.an overall majority. Could you then see Labour deciding we had better go
:04:11. > :04:12.along with a referendum, too? I think that's unlikely because as I
:04:13. > :04:15.think that's unlikely because there's a huge upside for that for I
:04:16. > :04:19.think what's interesting is the idea he would for minority government.
:04:20. > :04:23.Would you get confidence and look at other options that might well happen
:04:24. > :04:26.with the way the arithmetic is going or is he going to hold out and say
:04:27. > :04:30.the only way I will be Prime Minister is in a majority
:04:31. > :04:35.Conservative government? No, the implication of his remarks was I
:04:36. > :04:39.wouldn't form a coalition government unless my coalition partners would
:04:40. > :04:42.also agree to vote for a referendum. He's basically talking about is
:04:43. > :04:48.negotiating strategy in those coalition talks. It's a red line and
:04:49. > :04:51.a huge opportunity for the Lib Dems, because they know David Cameron
:04:52. > :04:57.absolutely has to do, for accidental reasons, as a person who survives as
:04:58. > :05:00.Tory leader, to ask for that referendum, so they can ask anything
:05:01. > :05:04.they want in return and if I was Nick Clegg, I would work out in the
:05:05. > :05:11.next year one absolute colossal negotiating demand for those
:05:12. > :05:14.coalition talks. For a party around 10% in the polls, they will do have
:05:15. > :05:23.the Prime Minister over a barrel on this one, assuming that coalition
:05:24. > :05:29.talks goes well. They could make Michael Gove Tbyte meeting. OK, we
:05:30. > :05:33.need to move on. So, the politicians are out and about on what used to be
:05:34. > :05:36.called the stump ahead of local and European elections in less than two
:05:37. > :05:38.weeks' time. But, without wanting to depress you on a damp Sunday
:05:39. > :05:41.morning, the party strategists are already hard at work on their
:05:42. > :05:45.campaign plans for the General Election next May. Yes, it's less
:05:46. > :05:47.than a year to go. They may have taken their time, but Labour's
:05:48. > :05:50.battleplan for 2015 is starting to take shape. As well as take
:05:51. > :05:53.promising to freeze your energy bills, and reintroduce the 50p rate
:05:54. > :05:58.of tax, Ed Miliband now says he wants to intervene in the housing
:05:59. > :06:01.market to keep rents down. There's even talk that the party leadership
:06:02. > :06:07.wants to bring more railway lines into public ownership. And Labour is
:06:08. > :06:10.gambling that its big push on the cost of living will see it through
:06:11. > :06:14.to the general election despite evidence that growth is firmly back.
:06:15. > :06:20.Labour's campaign chief Douglas Alexander hopes it all adds up to
:06:21. > :06:25.victory next May. But so far, the evidence is hitting home very thin.
:06:26. > :06:30.One survey today shows that 56% of people don't think Mr Miliband is up
:06:31. > :06:33.to the job of Prime Minister. As we head towards one of the least
:06:34. > :06:39.predictable general elections in 70 years, has Labour got a message to
:06:40. > :06:41.win seats up and down the country? And Labour's election co-ordinator
:06:42. > :06:49.and Shadow Foreign Secretary, Douglas Alexander, joins me now.
:06:50. > :06:52.Welcome to Sunday Politics. A lot of these policies announced polar
:06:53. > :06:57.pretty well. By popular with the country. When you add them together,
:06:58. > :07:01.it's a move to the left and what would be wrong with that? I think is
:07:02. > :07:07.your packet suggests, the contours in the coming campaign are becoming
:07:08. > :07:10.clear. Our judgement is the defining issue of the year in British
:07:11. > :07:14.politics will be the widening gap between the wealth of the country
:07:15. > :07:17.and the finances of ordinary families. We believe it will be a
:07:18. > :07:21.cost of living election and we have been setting out our thinking in
:07:22. > :07:24.relation to energy prices and rent, but you will hear more from Labour
:07:25. > :07:29.Party in the coming months because we're now less than one year away
:07:30. > :07:32.from a decisive moment. If the leftish think tank suggested any of
:07:33. > :07:38.his policies in that Tony Blair years, you would have opposed them.
:07:39. > :07:43.Let's be clear, when not going for an interest but seeking to secure a
:07:44. > :07:46.majority for the only way to do that is not simply to appeal to your
:07:47. > :07:52.base, but to the centre ground. I believe we got genuine opportunities
:07:53. > :07:55.in the next year. You have the Conservatives in a struggle with
:07:56. > :07:59.UKIP on the right of politics. The Lib Dems 9% of trying to find their
:08:00. > :08:03.base, and there's a genuine opportunity in the next year for
:08:04. > :08:06.Labour to dominate the centre ground of politics and secure the majority
:08:07. > :08:11.Labour government we are planning for in the coming year. I notice you
:08:12. > :08:21.didn't deny you wouldn't have opposed. You say you have got an
:08:22. > :08:27.message for aspirational voters in the South. This is what John Denham
:08:28. > :08:37.said. He thinks you're talking too much to your core vote.
:08:38. > :08:45.He is right to recognise we took a terrible beating in 2010. 29%. If
:08:46. > :08:50.you look at what we've done in the last week, for example, the
:08:51. > :08:53.signature policy on rent Ed Miliband announced to launch the campaign,
:08:54. > :08:58.there's now more than 9 million people in the country in the private
:08:59. > :09:02.rented sector, more than 1 million families. Many of them are in the
:09:03. > :09:04.south-east. They are seeing circumstances where, suddenly,
:09:05. > :09:09.landlord will increase the rent and they put the pressure involved in
:09:10. > :09:14.schooling, health care facing the families, so it is important both in
:09:15. > :09:16.terms of policy and in terms of politics that we speak to the whole
:09:17. > :09:20.country, not simply to one part of it falls up what is the average rise
:09:21. > :09:29.in event last year? I don't know. Can you tell me? 1%. 1% not in real
:09:30. > :09:35.terms. I'm not sure what the problem is. It will happen to wages in last
:09:36. > :09:41.year, we are facing circumstances where people will be worse off, up
:09:42. > :09:47.to ?1600 off worse and frankly, if our opponents want to argue that the
:09:48. > :09:50.economy has healed and they deserve a victory lap, good luck to them
:09:51. > :09:55.because actually, what we are hearing from the Buddhist public,
:09:56. > :10:00.not just in the north and south, is not the cost living crisis is
:10:01. > :10:02.continuing and it affects families. There was nothing aspirational about
:10:03. > :10:07.your party election broadcast for the European elections. It looked
:10:08. > :10:12.like crude class war to money people. That's a bit of it. Bedroom
:10:13. > :10:16.tax. Isn't it going to look bad that two thirds of those affected are
:10:17. > :10:22.disabled? Who cares? They can't fight back. Shall be lay-offs and
:10:23. > :10:36.NHS nurses? The National Health Service? Oh yes. Mr Cameron? Who
:10:37. > :10:40.said that? Me. My gosh. The man has shrunk. He's actually shrunk. What
:10:41. > :10:48.shall we do with him? Can we hunt him? Nothing about Europe, Labour
:10:49. > :10:53.policy. News that the Tories would result in negative campaigning and
:10:54. > :10:57.smear. You didn't tell you would be just as bad. Let's start the party
:10:58. > :11:03.broadcast. The one thing guaranteed to have most people reaching for the
:11:04. > :11:07.remote control these days are the words, there now follows a party but
:11:08. > :11:12.the broadcast. I make no apology in the factory to be innovative in how
:11:13. > :11:15.we presented. It's factual. It was a policy -based critic of this
:11:16. > :11:21.government. And the Lib Dems role within it. So you're claiming it's
:11:22. > :11:29.factual to betray the camera and cabinet is not even knowing what the
:11:30. > :11:32.NHS is, -- the Cameron Cabinet. They attack the disabled because they
:11:33. > :11:37.can't fight back. The Pinellas Tanner severely Prime Minister Sun
:11:38. > :11:44.and he was treated during a short life by the NHS. It's a fact many
:11:45. > :11:47.disabled people across the country including in my constituency have
:11:48. > :11:51.been directly affected by the bedroom tax. And ultimately, this
:11:52. > :11:55.Conservative led government, including the Lib Dems, will be held
:11:56. > :11:59.accountable by the politicians. You say that, the Prime Minister, who
:12:00. > :12:04.had a severely disabled son of. I you not ashamed about? I shadowed
:12:05. > :12:10.Iain Duncan Smith of five months also they don't have the excuses of
:12:11. > :12:14.seeing that saying nobody told them the consequences of the bedroom tax.
:12:15. > :12:19.They went into this with their eyes open. They knew about the hardship
:12:20. > :12:21.and difficulty. If they were one-bedroom properties available
:12:22. > :12:26.across the country for people to move into, their argument would be
:12:27. > :12:31.OK but they knew they were dealing with the most vulnerable people. Did
:12:32. > :12:37.you sign off that part of the broadcast? Of course I stand by the
:12:38. > :12:41.fact of it. I wish David Cameron and Iain Duncan Smith would apologise to
:12:42. > :12:44.the disabled people of the country and the poorest people for the
:12:45. > :12:50.effects of the bedroom tax. I hope we get that apology between now and
:12:51. > :12:55.election. As someone who thinks integrity is important in politics,
:12:56. > :12:58.not ashamed of this kind of thing? It's important we scrutinise the
:12:59. > :13:05.policies of this government as well as adding a positive agenda for
:13:06. > :13:10.change. You want that you won't promise this is the last time we'll
:13:11. > :13:13.see such a negative press campaign? I don't think it is negative or
:13:14. > :13:18.personal to scrutinise the government. So we'll get more of
:13:19. > :13:24.this? I'm less interested in the background of the cabinet than their
:13:25. > :13:27.views. You call the upper-class twits. It's for the British public
:13:28. > :13:31.to make a judgement in terms of the British... That's how you depicted
:13:32. > :13:38.them. We are held in accountable for the bedroom tax, the NHS, taxation,
:13:39. > :13:42.and our record they have to defend. One reason are so fearful in this
:13:43. > :13:46.election is actually because they know they have a poor record. Let's
:13:47. > :13:54.look at other part of the election campaign. This poster. Particularly
:13:55. > :14:00.digitally doing the rounds. On that shopping basket, can you tell us
:14:01. > :14:03.which items take the full 20% VAT? It's representative of household
:14:04. > :14:08.shopping, which includes items like cleaning products, and we know that
:14:09. > :14:17.food is not that trouble. People don't go to the supermarket and say
:14:18. > :16:11.this is -- vatable. don't go to the supermarket and say
:16:12. > :16:14.your policy. It is the exception rather than the rule to have the
:16:15. > :16:18.position we have at the moment. In Northern Ireland we have seen the
:16:19. > :16:22.continued rise in terms of the rented sector but there is a
:16:23. > :16:30.widespread recognition that for those people in the rented sector,
:16:31. > :16:36.change is necessary. Are you coordinating this campaign? It seems
:16:37. > :16:45.accident prone. This is a party that has set the agenda more effectively
:16:46. > :16:49.than a Conservative party that said when David Cameron was elected he
:16:50. > :16:57.wasn't going to bang on about Europe. The day after the election
:16:58. > :17:04.we expect the Conservative party to be engulfed in crisis. I'm proud of
:17:05. > :17:07.what we talk about and I think there is a clear contrast about a party
:17:08. > :17:13.talking about issues people care about, and a Conservative party
:17:14. > :17:19.talking about exclusively a referendum. Are you in charge of the
:17:20. > :17:25.campaign? I am coordinating the campaign is, yes. The expensive
:17:26. > :17:30.election guru you have hired, has he been involved in any of this? We
:17:31. > :17:35.have started our discussions with him. You are going to have to brief
:17:36. > :17:42.him about British politics because he doesn't know anything about it. I
:17:43. > :17:48.make no apology for hiring him. He has a lot of experience in winning
:17:49. > :17:54.tight elections and that is what we are expecting. If you are expecting
:17:55. > :18:01.us to say, they have passed and we have to hold them accountable, then
:18:02. > :18:04.I am sorry but we have a campaign that holds the Government and the
:18:05. > :18:15.Conservatives to account for what I think is a very hopeless record in
:18:16. > :18:18.government. Thank you. He leads a party with zero MPs but
:18:19. > :18:22.his media presence is huge. He's had an expenses scandal, but the public
:18:23. > :18:24.didn't seem to mind. He's got a privileged background but he's seen
:18:25. > :18:27.as an anti-establishment champion. Nothing seems to stick to him, not
:18:28. > :18:31.even eggs. I speak of course of Nigel Farage. We'll talk to him in a
:18:32. > :18:34.moment, but first Giles has been out on the campaign trail ahead of
:18:35. > :18:37.elections that could make or break the UKIP leader.
:18:38. > :18:40.Nigel Farage likes a stage, and at this stage of the Euro and local
:18:41. > :18:45.election campaign he is, like his party, in buoyant mood. They feel
:18:46. > :18:50.they are on the verge of what they see as causing an earthquake in
:18:51. > :18:55.British politics. Today Nigel is filling thousands seat venues and
:18:56. > :19:03.bigger. Not that there's much sign of that at this press launch. But
:19:04. > :19:06.it's a threat with serious money behind it, that they believe the
:19:07. > :19:09.media and the political elite just haven't realised yet, much less
:19:10. > :19:11.learned how to counter it. Not that it's all been plain sailing.
:19:12. > :19:14.Offensive comments from some candidates has not only seen UKIP
:19:15. > :19:20.labelled as racist, but necessitated a rally by the party to visibly and
:19:21. > :19:24.verbally challenge that. The offensive idiotic statements made by
:19:25. > :19:27.this handful of people have been lifted up and presented to the great
:19:28. > :19:33.British public as if they represent the view of this party, which they
:19:34. > :19:44.do not. They never have and they never will. APPLAUSE
:19:45. > :19:53.I don't care what you call us, but from this moment on, please do not
:19:54. > :20:02.call must trust a racist party. We are not a racist party.
:20:03. > :20:05.The need to say that is not just about the European and local
:20:06. > :20:08.elections even at that campaign launch it's clear UKIP's leader has
:20:09. > :20:10.set his sights firmly on the ultimate prize. I come from the
:20:11. > :20:14.south of England and I would not want to be seen as an opportunist
:20:15. > :20:19.heading to the north, north Norfolk or whatever it will be. I will make
:20:20. > :20:25.my mind up and stand in the general election for somewhere in Kent, East
:20:26. > :20:29.Sussex, Hampshire, somewhere in my home patch. Back at UKIP HQ they are
:20:30. > :20:39.still drilling down how the last fortnight of campaigning should go.
:20:40. > :20:42.They aren't taking any chances, and one imagines having offices above
:20:43. > :20:44.those of Max Clifford is a reminder how fragile built reputations can be
:20:45. > :20:48.of the bubble bursting. They want their reputation to be built on
:20:49. > :20:51.votes and they know anything but significant success on May 22nd and
:20:52. > :20:58.some seats in Westminster in 2015 isn't going to be good enough. And
:20:59. > :21:01.after that, having sold yourselves as the honest outsiders, that stance
:21:02. > :21:05.is harder to maintain once your people are on the inside. And subtle
:21:06. > :21:11.changes from the past are already noticeable. The ordinary man of the
:21:12. > :21:14.people stance is still working. Characteristically outside a pub,
:21:15. > :21:20.Nigel Farage is glad handed by a customer. Two weeks to go, let's
:21:21. > :21:25.cause an upset. Wouldn't that be great? The only sign that such an
:21:26. > :21:37.interaction is different now is the ever presence of bodyguards who
:21:38. > :21:40.shadow his every move. Over lunch ahead of Question Time, a radio
:21:41. > :21:44.appearance, and then off to Scotland, I ask him if some of those
:21:45. > :21:47.minded to vote UKIP who see him as a man they'd be comfortable having a
:21:48. > :21:50.drink with are the sort of people he'd be entirely comfortable sitting
:21:51. > :21:52.down with. Every political party attracts support from across the
:21:53. > :22:00.spectrum and there will be some magnificent people who vote for us
:22:01. > :22:06.and some ne'er-do-wells. The one common thing about UKIP voters is
:22:07. > :22:10.that they are often not very political. And it's that people's
:22:11. > :22:12.army that if UKIP can get to a polling booth might just create that
:22:13. > :22:19.earthquake they want. Nigel Farage joins me now. When you
:22:20. > :22:22.decided not to stand at the new work by election coming said if you lost
:22:23. > :22:43.it that the bubble would have burst. What did you mean by that? I
:22:44. > :22:49.was asked at seven 20p -- at 7:21pm if I would stand, I have decided by
:22:50. > :22:55.the next morning that I would not. I didn't know he was going to resign.
:22:56. > :22:59.You claim only a handful of UKIP candidates have ever said things
:23:00. > :23:08.that are either stupid or offensive, I'm right on that, yes? 0.1%, I'd
:23:09. > :23:11.rather it was non-. But why have you chosen a candidate to fight this
:23:12. > :23:18.by-election that has said many things most people would regard as
:23:19. > :23:23.stupid or offensive? Roger is fighting this for us, someone of 70
:23:24. > :23:28.years of age who grew up with a strong Christian Bible background,
:23:29. > :23:32.in an age when homosexuality was imprisonable. He had a certain set
:23:33. > :23:36.of views which he maintained for many years which he now says he
:23:37. > :23:42.accepts the world has moved on and he is relaxed about it. The comments
:23:43. > :23:49.about homosexuality are not from the dark ages, they are from two or
:23:50. > :23:55.three years ago. From when he was a Conservative, yes, so will you be
:23:56. > :23:58.asking David Cameron that question? I have never seen a single comment
:23:59. > :24:04.from Roger that would be deemed to be offensive. Do you regard his
:24:05. > :24:09.comments on homosexuality as offensive? When he grew up,
:24:10. > :24:19.homosexuality was illegal in this country. But this was in 2012 but he
:24:20. > :24:29.said that. Most people have his age still feel uncomfortable about it --
:24:30. > :24:37.of his age. In 2012 he said, if two men can be married, why not three,
:24:38. > :24:41.why not a commune. Many people in this country are disconcerted by the
:24:42. > :24:44.change in the meaning of marriage and in a tolerant society we
:24:45. > :24:50.understand that some people have different views. But he has changed
:24:51. > :25:00.his views now in only two years? He says he is more relaxed about it.
:25:01. > :25:04.Was he your candidate? He is a first-class campaigner who has had
:25:05. > :25:09.30 years in industry, he served in the European Parliament, he is a
:25:10. > :25:14.good candidate. This morning's papers suggest you are about to
:25:15. > :25:20.select Victoria Ayling for Grimsby, but she is on camera saying that, of
:25:21. > :25:23.immigrants, I just want to send a lot back. This is all very
:25:24. > :25:28.interesting, and we can talk about it, all we could talk about the fact
:25:29. > :25:33.that in 12 days we have a European election and every voter across the
:25:34. > :25:39.UK can vote on it and it is really interesting. Are you happy to pick a
:25:40. > :25:47.candidate that says of immigrants, I just want to send a lot back? I have
:25:48. > :25:53.seen the tape, it is a complete misquote and she says it in the
:25:54. > :25:59.context of illegal immigrants. I have seen the full quote and in the
:26:00. > :26:04.context it is not about illegal immigrants. Let's come onto the
:26:05. > :26:08.European campaign, you have used a company that employs Eastern
:26:09. > :26:13.European is to deliver leaflets in London and the Home Counties. Have
:26:14. > :26:19.we? I'm told that in Croydon one branch might have done that. Have
:26:20. > :26:24.you found some indigenous Brits to deliver leaflets in Europe? We have
:26:25. > :26:28.thousands joining the party every month and they are not all
:26:29. > :26:34.indigenous because what is interesting is that in today's
:26:35. > :26:45.opinion polls, UKIP is above the Lib Dems and the Conservatives amongst
:26:46. > :27:00.the indigenous voting. We have not agreed a manifesto for
:27:01. > :27:08.the general election, we will do over the course of the summer. This
:27:09. > :27:11.is in your local election. We are having local elections in some part
:27:12. > :27:15.of the country but we are fighting a European election. It is impossible
:27:16. > :27:22.with the British media to have an intelligent debate on the European
:27:23. > :27:26.question. But as I say, we are also fighting the local elections too.
:27:27. > :27:32.You have promised these tax cuts, how much will they cost? I have met
:27:33. > :27:37.-- read the local election manifesto and it doesn't make those promises.
:27:38. > :27:42.We do talk about local services, we do talk about the need to keep
:27:43. > :27:49.council tax down but we don't talk about income tax. Absolutely not. In
:27:50. > :27:56.local election campaigning you say you would restore cuts to policing,
:27:57. > :28:03.double prison places, restore cuts to front line NHS, spend more on
:28:04. > :28:07.roads, how much would that cost? You are obviously reading different
:28:08. > :28:11.documents to me. We are voting for local councillors in district
:28:12. > :28:18.councils who have got little local budgets. Every party in a manifesto
:28:19. > :28:24.puts his aspirations in it. Have you read it? Of course I have, cover to
:28:25. > :28:31.cover, which is why I'm saying you are misquoting it. By the way, on
:28:32. > :28:38.the bubble bursting, you told that to Norman Smith of the BBC. 75% of
:28:39. > :28:43.British laws are now made in the European Union. Now AstraZeneca is
:28:44. > :28:48.potentially going to be taken over by Pfizer. The BBC is refusing to
:28:49. > :28:52.show the public that that decision cannot be taken here but by an
:28:53. > :29:00.elected European commissioner, and we sit and argue about what is in or
:29:01. > :29:10.not in the local election manifesto. It is my job, but let me come on to
:29:11. > :29:17.AstraZeneca. Is it your view that a British government should stop the
:29:18. > :29:26.takeover of AstraZeneca? It cannot. Can we please get this clear. I sat
:29:27. > :29:32.next to Chuka Umunna the other day at question time and he said what
:29:33. > :29:36.could and couldn't be done. He said I am being studiously neutral, and
:29:37. > :29:43.the reason is we don't have this power. That is what the European
:29:44. > :29:55.elections is about. Should France have the takeover of the food
:29:56. > :30:03.company Danan? We seem to do things to the Nth degree and nobody else
:30:04. > :30:08.does, perhaps because we have this culture and we obey it. In your
:30:09. > :30:16.view, you don't think Pfizer should be able to take over AstraZeneca?
:30:17. > :30:21.There is some good science within AstraZeneca which is in danger of
:30:22. > :30:27.being asset stripped and lost. Because it is run by a Swede and a
:30:28. > :30:33.Frenchman and most of its employees are overseas. I understand that but
:30:34. > :30:36.there are still some good science being produced here. What did you
:30:37. > :30:42.think of the Prime Minister saying he would not form a government after
:30:43. > :30:50.the election unless he was able to have a referendum in 2017? I sat
:30:51. > :30:55.here talking to you and you said to me that David Cameron had given a
:30:56. > :30:57.cast-iron guarantee that if David Cameron becomes Prime Minister he
:30:58. > :31:03.will have a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, but he didn't deliver on
:31:04. > :31:08.that. He knows that people struggle to believe the renegotiation is
:31:09. > :31:12.worth a row of beans. He is saying he will not form a government unless
:31:13. > :31:16.he can go forward with the referendum. I know he is desperately
:31:17. > :31:20.trying to pretend to be Eurosceptic whilst at the same time saying he
:31:21. > :31:25.will campaign for Britain to remain in. In a sense, that is what this
:31:26. > :31:28.election is about. We have three traditional parties, all of whom
:31:29. > :31:32.passionately believe in the continued membership of the European
:31:33. > :31:36.Union and we have UKIP saying we want trade and cooperation but there
:31:37. > :31:44.is a bigger and better world out there. You are now travelling with I
:31:45. > :31:52.think four bodyguards, has this affected you and your family life? I
:31:53. > :31:56.can't stand it. I've always wondered about the place and on my own thing.
:31:57. > :32:00.Sadly we have a couple of organisations out there headed up by
:32:01. > :32:03.senior Labour Party figures who purport to be against fascism and
:32:04. > :32:08.extremism, who received funding from the Department of communities, from
:32:09. > :32:12.the trade unions, who have acted in a violent wait more than once. You
:32:13. > :32:18.are saying the Labour Party is behind the threats? No, I said a
:32:19. > :32:21.taxpayer funded, trade union funded and headed by senior Labour Party
:32:22. > :32:25.figures, and I'm happy for them to come to my meetings and have an
:32:26. > :32:29.itinerant with me, but it's not so much fun when there are banging you
:32:30. > :32:34.over the head. I is still keen to be an MP? Yes, what UKIP will then do
:32:35. > :32:39.is target before the general election next year for the one life
:32:40. > :32:45.be easier if you just went to the Lords? That's the last thing I want
:32:46. > :32:50.to do. There's an awful lot to do. Most of all, I will not rest until
:32:51. > :32:52.we are free from political union and government from Brussels. Nigel
:32:53. > :32:55.Farage, thank you for being with us. It's just gone 11.30am. You're
:32:56. > :32:58.watching the Sunday Politics. We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who
:32:59. > :33:01.leave us now for Sunday Politics Scotland. Coming up here in 20
:33:02. > :33:02.minutes, our panel talks about the big stories of the week. First
:33:03. > :33:13.though, the I'm Arif Ansari. Coming up in the
:33:14. > :33:17.North West. How hungry are you for the European
:33:18. > :33:21.elections? We sample the appetite in this region.
:33:22. > :33:24.Nobody in our house is voting. Not me, not my wife, not my children,
:33:25. > :33:30.nobody. A complete and utter waste of time and energy.
:33:31. > :33:33.I'm joined by three candidates who are a bit more excited. Last week we
:33:34. > :33:37.had Labour, the Conservatives and the Greens, this week Louise Bours
:33:38. > :33:40.for the UK Independence Party and two sitting MEPs ` Nick Griffin of
:33:41. > :33:48.the BNP and the Liberal Democrat Chris Davies. Welcome to you all.
:33:49. > :33:50.And we start with U.S. Drug giant Pfizer's possible hostile takeover
:33:51. > :33:55.of AstraZeneca, which employs around 2,000 people in Cheshire. The
:33:56. > :34:06.American company says all options are open after its ?63 billion bid
:34:07. > :34:14.was rejected. Mr Griffin, what would you do? There has almost been a
:34:15. > :34:18.takeover of a British company and there has been promises made. They
:34:19. > :34:22.are usually broken and it is bad news for Britain. It should be kept
:34:23. > :34:26.within British ownership and I think attention should focus on the real
:34:27. > :34:34.scandal, that when you have the takeover bids, who is a PR man, a
:34:35. > :34:40.personal friend of the Prime Minister, you see these connections
:34:41. > :34:51.between the people ripping off Britain and the corrupt elite.
:34:52. > :34:54.Louise. It is the government's job to protect the British people and
:34:55. > :35:00.they need to protect their jobs. They have a duty to protect their
:35:01. > :35:09.jobs. I think they have to look at that first. That has to be paramount
:35:10. > :35:14.in their mind. Chris Davies? AstraZeneca is losing 2500 jobs in
:35:15. > :35:19.the North West of England. It is a Swedish company. 90% of its 50,000
:35:20. > :35:26.employees don't work in Britain. This is part of the global system
:35:27. > :35:34.and what is made of stronger is inviting foreign
:35:35. > :37:14.done well out of it. Vince Cable has a difficult decision to make
:37:15. > :37:16.are written on. Are they? The company exports 2% of all UK goods,
:37:17. > :37:19.and if this takeover does happen it will be the largest acquisition of a
:37:20. > :37:24.British company by a foreign business. Pfizer has already run
:37:25. > :37:31.down three of the companies it has bought. Pfizer had been acting in my
:37:32. > :37:34.language like a praying mantis. They have been sucking the lifeblood out
:37:35. > :37:38.of those three units in order to sustain themselves. The Business
:37:39. > :37:47.Secretary is keeping a careful watch on events. In conclusion, I say I
:37:48. > :37:50.want to assure the house we are alive to the national interest
:37:51. > :37:54.considerations here. We see the future of the UK as a knowledge
:37:55. > :37:57.economy, not a tax haven. The bosses of both firms are to be questioned
:37:58. > :38:04.by the Business Select Committee. A get`together which will be carefully
:38:05. > :38:11.watched by MPs from all parties. So Chris Davies, you've talked about
:38:12. > :38:17.the free market, but you also said Vince Cable has a difficult decision
:38:18. > :38:23.to make. He has to weigh up whether this is in the British interest and
:38:24. > :38:29.we don't know. There are American state governors where Pfizer is
:38:30. > :38:33.situated at the moment. They think they will lose jobs in America to
:38:34. > :38:37.Britain and of course at their headquarters is moved here the tax
:38:38. > :38:46.reasons, that does change the orientation. It may not all be bad.
:38:47. > :38:51.Vince Cable talked about serious EU legal constraints. What did he mean
:38:52. > :38:56.by that? The constraints are the ones we have encouraged the EU to
:38:57. > :39:02.adopt, which is to try to break down the barriers to take overs in order
:39:03. > :39:08.to encourage free flow in investment. You are not so keen on
:39:09. > :39:14.the free market? It has been a disaster for British workers. I was
:39:15. > :39:20.in St Helens yesterday and accompany you soon employ 20,000 people, and
:39:21. > :39:25.now it has reduced. To have closed down and the other is going. It is a
:39:26. > :39:33.disaster for British workers. We need a government which invests in
:39:34. > :39:37.companies. The tragedy is that it is no longer in British ownership. It
:39:38. > :39:43.was badly managed under British management because the same
:39:44. > :39:51.workers... Now it is under foreign management? That is a great shame.
:39:52. > :39:56.It is not a great shame in the company is still going. It is better
:39:57. > :39:59.that it is going than closing down. Instead of throwing billions of
:40:00. > :40:03.pounds to corrupt banks the British government should have invested that
:40:04. > :40:09.money in British industry and British workers, so we had those for
:40:10. > :40:16.those workers under our control. You said it was all about protecting
:40:17. > :40:20.British jobs. How will they do it? We have been here before. We've had
:40:21. > :40:26.promises from companies that they will protect jobs. That didn't
:40:27. > :40:29.happen. I live in Cheshire. I know how worried and concerned people
:40:30. > :40:35.were when AstraZeneca move to Cambridgeshire. I've seen what
:40:36. > :40:38.effect that has had on local businesses. The government should
:40:39. > :40:44.look at theirs. They should seek assurances. If this goes ahead,
:40:45. > :40:49.assurances must be given that binding that British workers would
:40:50. > :40:54.lose their jobs. I do not trust Pfizer. I think it is obvious they
:40:55. > :41:08.are a takeover giant and it has to be paramount. British workers.
:41:09. > :41:12.British jobs for British workers. I didn't say that. At the end of the
:41:13. > :41:19.day it affect the local economy. It is not just about the company, it is
:41:20. > :41:26.about everything which surrounds it. Let's move on. Well, the main
:41:27. > :41:30.business for my guests this month is persuading us that we should send
:41:31. > :41:34.them to Brussels. A quick reminder that in North West England we'll be
:41:35. > :41:37.electing eight of the UK's 73 MEPs on May 22nd. We currently have three
:41:38. > :41:40.Conservatives, two from Labour, Chris Davies and Nick Griffin here
:41:41. > :41:44.for the Lib dems and the British National Party, and one for UKIP.
:41:45. > :41:50.But are any of them whetting the appetite of the voters? Elaine
:41:51. > :41:54.Dunkley's been to find out. Here at Bury Market there is plenty
:41:55. > :41:59.of European flavour but is there an appetite for the European politics?
:42:00. > :42:03.Nobody in our house is voting. Not me, not my wife, not my children,
:42:04. > :42:07.nobody. A complete and utter waste of time and energy. Talk of Brussels
:42:08. > :42:13.isn't high on the list but border control and British jobs are. In
:42:14. > :42:22.Britain at this particular time we're not looking after ourselves.
:42:23. > :42:30.It's quite ludicrous in my opinion, the way numbers are flowing in. It's
:42:31. > :42:34.crazy. All people are the same. It doesn't matter where they come from.
:42:35. > :42:37.As long as they can speak English it doesn't really matter. Yannis came
:42:38. > :42:40.to Bury to start a new life after the economic collapse in Greece. He
:42:41. > :42:44.believes the issue of immigration has been high jacked for political
:42:45. > :42:48.gain. I think it's right you can go from one country to the another to
:42:49. > :42:52.start a new life, to learn new things. That's why I cam here. Most
:42:53. > :42:55.of the people that come from other countries are working really hard.
:42:56. > :43:01.We have people here from Poland, Greece and Cyprus and they are very
:43:02. > :43:05.good workers. Over in Burnley, it's Guttentag to good times. Veka, a
:43:06. > :43:12.German company, employs 340 people making PVC frames. Business is
:43:13. > :43:17.booming, links with Europe have created a window of opportunity.
:43:18. > :43:21.Without the backing of our German mother company and the German banks
:43:22. > :43:24.to help us with our finances, we probably wouldn't be here today with
:43:25. > :43:28.what we've got, in terms of a facility which has gone from ?24
:43:29. > :43:32.million to near a ?68 million turnover. But not everyone agrees
:43:33. > :43:36.that Europe is working in the interest of British business. In
:43:37. > :43:42.Accrington the Cardboard Box company provides packaging for leading UK
:43:43. > :43:47.brands. Owner Peter Street is a member of UKIP. He feels boxed`in by
:43:48. > :43:51.European Policy and wants out. Rules, regulations. The fishing
:43:52. > :43:56.industry has been devastated. Most industries have been hurt by it.
:43:57. > :44:00.Fortunately this one isn't. I had a chemical industry back in the 1980s.
:44:01. > :44:04.I couldn't start that company now with all the rules and regulations.
:44:05. > :44:07.I wouldn't be allowed to. This is a new national centre for Graphene in
:44:08. > :44:10.Manchester, built with ?23 million of European funding, but are we
:44:11. > :44:16.getting out of Europe what were putting in? Of course Manchester
:44:17. > :44:23.will be definitely the centre of this innovative material. It is
:44:24. > :44:26.something which will influence the industry all around Europe and
:44:27. > :44:30.therefore we have to calculate in terms of business opportunities. The
:44:31. > :44:37.European election is one of the largest democratic events in the
:44:38. > :44:41.world. We don't believe in a country called Europe and we won't be part
:44:42. > :44:45.of it. How much we invest in Europe and how much Europe invests in the
:44:46. > :44:49.North West is a key issue. Our membership of the EU gives Britain
:44:50. > :44:53.access to market with 21 million companies. Who are you? We can't
:44:54. > :44:56.have an immigration policy as a member of the European Union because
:44:57. > :45:00.we have an open door to 485 million people. Is it going to get personal?
:45:01. > :45:10.In an uncertain world it is strength in numbers. Now it's the voters who
:45:11. > :45:15.will get their say. Louise Bours, can I get this right?
:45:16. > :45:22.You hate the European Union so much you're desperate to become a
:45:23. > :45:25.European MP. If we didn't have UKIP MPs, a lot of the auger questions
:45:26. > :45:30.and the things at the centre of political debate would not be
:45:31. > :45:37.there. We have made you didn't issue a central issue and if our UKIP MPs
:45:38. > :45:43.went there, that wouldn't have been brought to the British public's
:45:44. > :45:54.attention. I can't think of time it hasn't been to their attention. When
:45:55. > :46:01.you asked people about Europe people don't have a interest in the
:46:02. > :46:07.elections. I think we have inflamed that. Why do you want to be a
:46:08. > :46:11.European MP? We want to get out and the way to get out is to put our
:46:12. > :46:15.message out in the north`west, so people can see what kind of
:46:16. > :46:21.organisation nurses. They can work here in the North West, break the
:46:22. > :46:28.stories and issues that have been shown to be ludicrous and damaging.
:46:29. > :46:37.Nick Griffin, why vote BNP when you can vote UKIP? People are voting
:46:38. > :46:49.overwhelmingly on the image of `` issue of immigration. When 300,000
:46:50. > :46:56.British people emigrate each year, they would replace them with
:46:57. > :47:05.Africans. If you want 50,000 Asians come in, both Nigel Farage. If you
:47:06. > :47:09.want to shut the door, vote us. What utter nonsense. Our policies are
:47:10. > :47:14.moderate. It is a policy of common sense. You want to pull the
:47:15. > :47:21.drawbridge. We don't. We say if you have the skills, you are welcome.
:47:22. > :47:24.The whole thing is just basically referring the debate on
:47:25. > :47:32.immigration. We want people to come if they can contribute to this
:47:33. > :47:37.economy. What we don't want is uncontrolled mass immigration. The
:47:38. > :47:45.borders need to be controlled. Chris Davies, you describe yourself as the
:47:46. > :47:49.party of in, in what? Ensuring Britain is a key part of the EU.
:47:50. > :47:54.That is for the sake of our jobs and the union. For the promotion of
:47:55. > :47:58.values, like liberty and equality which lie in the heart of the
:47:59. > :48:03.European Union. 28 countries working together in peace, promoting a
:48:04. > :48:12.British agenda. You do accept you on the wrong side of public opinion? I
:48:13. > :48:14.don't agree with that. These two parties are competing for the
:48:15. > :48:24.anti`immigration vote. They are welcome to it. I've heard that man
:48:25. > :48:28.from Greece. I welcome... I welcome, not only my party is
:48:29. > :48:33.standing up for the pro`Europeans but also the pad so many young
:48:34. > :48:39.people from across Europe come to this country. These are part of our
:48:40. > :48:45.future. They're one of the reasons this country... Why aren't you
:48:46. > :48:49.winning the argument? You tell me how many local newspapers have
:48:50. > :48:56.covered this issue other than perhaps scandals about UKIP. Five
:48:57. > :49:03.years ago... That is nothing to do with it. I am looking forward to
:49:04. > :49:10.have an in`out referendum but one of the strongest argument I hear is,
:49:11. > :49:14.how can we have a referendum when all the newspapers are stacked on
:49:15. > :49:17.one side. They're putting oddments over which undermined the
:49:18. > :49:24.credibility of the EU and don't tell the truth. Mr Griffin, have you
:49:25. > :49:29.achieved anything as a European MP? I stop this country Dragon this war
:49:30. > :49:38.in Syria which had nothing to do with us. I was able to go to
:49:39. > :49:42.Damascus. It swayed the boat of another Tory MPs against war to keep
:49:43. > :49:49.us out of that monstrous war. I think that is an achievement. Are
:49:50. > :49:55.you being serious? I yam. People can go on a website and see that. You
:49:56. > :50:00.think they were swayed on the issue of Syria because of you? According
:50:01. > :50:05.to the BBC, they are talked to a number of people, and that the
:50:06. > :50:11.people who were thinking of voting did so in the end because they had a
:50:12. > :50:18.letter from the Syrian parliament expressing their position in terms,
:50:19. > :50:29.which English politicians could understand. Again, utter nonsense.
:50:30. > :50:32.Of course we have policies. They are highlighted in the manifesto. When
:50:33. > :50:46.it comes out of the 20 15th, you will see. Nigel Farage has rubbished
:50:47. > :50:51.your manifesto. That was in 2010. The one the 12015 is in development.
:50:52. > :51:09.We are on the side of public opinion. `` though one for 2015.
:51:10. > :51:14.Time for the rest of the week's news now. Here's Ian Haslam with 60
:51:15. > :51:17.Seconds. An investigation by BBC North West
:51:18. > :51:20.Tonight found that some people with serious health conditions are
:51:21. > :51:23.waiting up to seven months for their new disability benefits. The cancer
:51:24. > :51:26.charity MacMillan is helping the government reduce delays.
:51:27. > :51:28.A House of Lords report called on the government to speed up
:51:29. > :51:31.production of shale gas. Meanwhile, American scientists found a rise in
:51:32. > :51:36.the number of earthquakes in Oklahoma after fracking began.
:51:37. > :51:39.It was another difficult week for the Co`Op. The former City Minister
:51:40. > :51:41.Lord Myners warned the 160`year`old organisation founded in Rochdale
:51:42. > :51:46.won't survive unless it focuses more on profit.
:51:47. > :51:49.The new Anglican Bishop of Liverpool says he won't shy away from
:51:50. > :51:58.challenging politicians over the impact their policies have on
:51:59. > :52:04.ordinary people. I won't run away from that. I will tell people, have
:52:05. > :52:07.you noticed what is happening on the ground.
:52:08. > :52:10.And work's begun on access roads for the new Runcorn Bridge. The
:52:11. > :52:16.government says the toll crossing will boost the local economy by ?61
:52:17. > :52:20.million a year. That's almost it from us. Before we
:52:21. > :52:23.go, a reminder that there are a total of 11 parties fielding
:52:24. > :52:26.candidates in the North West. Also fielding a full list of candidates
:52:27. > :52:33.are: An Independence from Europe, the English Democrats, No2EU and the
:52:34. > :52:36.Socialist Equality Party. And for more information on the parties and
:52:37. > :52:44.who's standing for them, you can go to the BBC Website. That's at
:52:45. > :52:48.bbc.co.uk/news/events/vote2014. Next week we'll be focusing on the
:52:49. > :52:53.local elections, which also take place on May 22nd. Just time to
:52:54. > :52:59.thank my guests ` Louise Bours, Nick Griffin and Chris Davies. Now, I'll
:53:00. > :53:05.hand you back to Andrew Neil in London.
:53:06. > :53:17.the website now. Now it is back to you, Andrew.
:53:18. > :53:25.Welcome back, let's go straight to our panel. What did you make of Mr
:53:26. > :53:28.Alexander's defence of the Labour party election broadcast? It is
:53:29. > :53:32.difficult for them because they started by saying they were not
:53:33. > :53:38.going to do negative campaigning and they have thrown that away for an
:53:39. > :53:45.advert which is funny but crude in the class war sense. He didn't look
:53:46. > :53:51.thrilled to be defending it. There is a page in Tony Blair's memoirs
:53:52. > :53:54.talking about negative campaigning, and he says that anything too
:53:55. > :54:06.extreme turns off the average voter so his line of attack on Hague was
:54:07. > :54:11.funny jokes but... I think this failed the Blair test, it was too
:54:12. > :54:18.vicious. If your strategy is to shore up your car vote, that advert
:54:19. > :54:25.was genius. If your strategy is to reach out to a broader number of
:54:26. > :54:28.voters, Middle Britain, then that advert was a complete disaster. It
:54:29. > :54:33.looks like there is a lot of negativity and smears all round in
:54:34. > :54:51.the next year. That definitely looks the way we are going. They will be
:54:52. > :55:03.essentially trying to re-run by -- the American election. I am slightly
:55:04. > :55:08.puzzled why we cannot have our own election gurus who live here and
:55:09. > :55:15.understand the country. I should point out that the ?450 extra VAT
:55:16. > :55:20.that was claimed in that Labour poster, both Ed Balls and the Labour
:55:21. > :55:27.Treasury team have said that is ?450 per year. Nonsense the VAT rise, one
:55:28. > :55:31.year. I should also point out that Nigel Farage said to Norman Smith,
:55:32. > :55:38.the BBC is always reliable Norman Smith that if you run in Newark and
:55:39. > :55:43.lost the bubble would burst. I should also point out that although
:55:44. > :55:47.a number of the tax rises I mentioned on council tax, minimum
:55:48. > :55:53.wage tax and some other things that UKIP wants to cuts, a couple of
:55:54. > :55:56.these are in the local manifesto but several are not. They are on the
:55:57. > :56:03.UKIP website, which is still several are not. They are on the
:56:04. > :56:08.and dated 2014. We like to make sure we are absolutely right. Let's talk
:56:09. > :56:13.about Nick Clegg and Michael Gove and the latest spat. Let me show you
:56:14. > :56:22.this headline in the Observer this morning. From both the Independent,
:56:23. > :56:33.he called him a zealot, lunatic is of -- another word. Do we take this
:56:34. > :56:36.seriously? It hinges on this question of what counts as an area
:56:37. > :56:41.of need in education. question of what counts as an area
:56:42. > :58:20.there are not enough school question of what counts as an area
:58:21. > :58:31.politics of the playground. I read in the Mail on Sunday this morning
:58:32. > :58:35.that some Tory insiders are accusing Lib Dems of spreading rumours about
:58:36. > :58:43.the camera in marriage. The rebuttals of education story is that
:58:44. > :58:52.the free school meals is sucking money away. I always thought they
:58:53. > :58:58.would work together without fuss and yet it has been more the source of
:58:59. > :59:04.disagreement then I would have expected a couple of years ago. Is
:59:05. > :59:11.it serious? It is serious obviously, using that language, but is it fatal
:59:12. > :59:13.for the Coalition? I think it is a road bump because I don't think
:59:14. > :59:18.anybody wants to dissolve the Coalition. It is a challenge for
:59:19. > :59:22.Labour because where do they stand on the free schools? They invented
:59:23. > :59:26.the Academy programme so it is difficult for them to take a
:59:27. > :59:30.hands-off approach at this stage. There was a danger for Michael Gove
:59:31. > :59:33.that he looks ideological but the danger for the Liberal Democrats is
:59:34. > :59:37.that they are breaking the rules for the Coalition they said that they
:59:38. > :59:43.wouldn't break which is that they looked like opposition in
:59:44. > :59:50.government. Is Michael Gove's position safe? Very safe. If he
:59:51. > :59:56.moves in a reshuffle that will be to a a job. That's all for today. The
:59:57. > :59:59.Daily Politics will be back on BBC Two at lunchtime from Tuesday
:00:00. > :00:02.onwards. I'll be back here on BBC One at 11am next week. Remember if
:00:03. > :00:50.it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics.
:00:51. > :00:52.What if the person that killed her...
:00:53. > :00:55.I found out she'd been taking drugs. Just let me explain.
:00:56. > :00:59.You wasn't at that party all night. Yeah, I was.
:01:00. > :01:01.What was she even doing there? Oi, you keep your mouth shut.
:01:02. > :01:04.She was exchanging a significant number of texts and calls
:01:05. > :01:07.with someone in the weeks leading up to her death.
:01:08. > :01:10.It's like we didn't really know her at all.