:00:38. > :00:40.It's Sunday morning, and this is the Sunday Politics.
:00:41. > :00:43.Theresa May will be the first foreign leader to visit US
:00:44. > :00:46.President Donald Trump this week - she's promised to hold "very
:00:47. > :00:49.frank" conversations with the new and controversial
:00:50. > :00:56.Speaking of the 45th President of America,
:00:57. > :00:59.we'll be looking at what the Trump presidency could hold
:01:00. > :01:06.in store for Britain and the rest of the world.
:01:07. > :01:09.And with the Supreme Court expected to say that Parliament should
:01:10. > :01:12.have a vote before the Brexit process begins, we'll ask
:01:13. > :01:17.Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott what Labour will do next.
:01:18. > :01:35.Will leaving the single market bear fruit?
:01:36. > :01:38.And to talk about all of that and more, I'm joined by three
:01:39. > :01:41.journalists who, in an era of so-called fake news, can be
:01:42. > :01:44.relied upon for their accuracy, their impartiality -
:01:45. > :01:48.and their willingness to come to the studio
:01:49. > :01:54.It's Steve Richards, Julia Hartley-Brewer
:01:55. > :02:00.and Tom Newton Dunn, and during the programme they'll be
:02:01. > :02:04.tweeting as often as the 45th President of the USA in the middle
:02:05. > :02:14.So - the Prime Minister has been appearing on the BBC this morning.
:02:15. > :02:17.She was mostly talking about Donald Trump and Brexit,
:02:18. > :02:20.but she was also asked about a story on the front of this
:02:21. > :02:24.It's reported that an unarmed Trident missile test fired
:02:25. > :02:30.from the submarine HMS Vengeance near the Florida coast in June
:02:31. > :02:38.The paper says the incident took place weeks before a crucial Commons
:02:39. > :02:42.Well, let's have listen to Theresa May talking
:02:43. > :02:48.The issue that we were talking about in the House of Commons
:02:49. > :02:52.It was about whether or not we should renew Trident,
:02:53. > :02:55.whether we should look to the future and have a replacement Trident.
:02:56. > :02:58.That's what we were talking about in the House of Commons.
:02:59. > :03:00.That's what the House of Commons voted for.
:03:01. > :03:05.He doesn't want to defend our country with an independent
:03:06. > :03:12.There are tests that take place all the time, regularly,
:03:13. > :03:21.What we were talking about in that debate that took place...
:03:22. > :03:28.I'm not going to get an answer to this.
:03:29. > :03:35.Tom, it was clear this was going to come up this morning. It is on the
:03:36. > :03:39.front page of the Sunday Times. It would seem to me the Prime Minister
:03:40. > :03:46.wasn't properly briefed on how to reply. I think she probably was, but
:03:47. > :03:49.the Prime Minister we now have doesn't necessarily answer all
:03:50. > :03:57.questions in the straightest way. She didn't answer that one and all.
:03:58. > :04:04.Unlike previous ones? She made it quite clear she was briefed. You
:04:05. > :04:08.read between the Theresa May lines. By simply not answering Andrew Marr
:04:09. > :04:12.four times, it is obvious she knew, and that she knew before she went
:04:13. > :04:19.into the House of Commons and urged everyone to renew the ?40 billion
:04:20. > :04:22.replacement programme. Of course it is an embarrassment, but does it
:04:23. > :04:28.have political legs? I don't think so. She didn't mislead the Commons.
:04:29. > :04:33.If she wanted to close it down, the answer should have been, these are
:04:34. > :04:37.matters of national security. There's nothing more important in
:04:38. > :04:44.that than our nuclear deterrent. I'm not prepared to talk about testing.
:04:45. > :04:49.End of. But she didn't. Maybe you should be briefing her. That's a
:04:50. > :04:54.good answer. She is an interesting interviewee. She shows it when she
:04:55. > :04:58.is nervous. She was transparently uneasy answering those questions,
:04:59. > :05:04.and the fact she didn't answer it definitively suggests she did know
:05:05. > :05:08.and didn't want to say it, and she answered awkwardly. But how wider
:05:09. > :05:13.point, that the House of Commons voted for the renewal of Trident,
:05:14. > :05:18.suggests to me that in the broader sweep of things, this will not run,
:05:19. > :05:24.because if there was another vote, I would suggest she'd win it again.
:05:25. > :05:29.But it is an embarrassment and she handled it with a transparent
:05:30. > :05:35.awkwardness. She said that the tests go on all the time, but not of the
:05:36. > :05:39.missiles. Does it not show that when the Prime Minister leaves her
:05:40. > :05:44.comfort zone of Home Office affairs or related matters, she often
:05:45. > :05:51.struggles. We've seen it under questioning from Mr Corbyn even, and
:05:52. > :05:54.we saw it again today. Absolutely. Tests of various aspects of the
:05:55. > :06:00.missiles go on all the time, but there's only been five since 2000.
:06:01. > :06:04.What you described wouldn't have worked, because in previous tests
:06:05. > :06:12.they have always been very public about it. Look how well our missiles
:06:13. > :06:20.work! She may not have misled Parliament, but she may not have
:06:21. > :06:24.known about it. If she didn't know, does Michael Fallon still have a job
:06:25. > :06:31.on Monday? Should Parliament know about a test that doesn't work? Some
:06:32. > :06:37.would say absolutely not. Our deterrent is there to deter people
:06:38. > :06:42.from attacking us. If they know that we are hitting the United States by
:06:43. > :06:46.mistake rather than the Atlantic Ocean, then... There is such a thing
:06:47. > :06:52.as national security, and telling all the bad guys about where we are
:06:53. > :06:56.going wrong may not be a good idea. It was her first statement as Prime
:06:57. > :07:02.Minister to put her case for renewal, to have the vote on
:07:03. > :07:06.Trident, and in that context, it is significant not to say anything. If
:07:07. > :07:09.anyone knows where the missile landed, give us a call!
:07:10. > :07:11.So Donald Trump's inauguration day closed with him dancing
:07:12. > :07:14.to Frank Sinatra's My Way, and whatever your view on the 45th
:07:15. > :07:17.President of the United States he certainly did do it his way.
:07:18. > :07:20.Not for him the idealistic call for national unity -
:07:21. > :07:22.instead he used Friday's inaugural address to launch a blistering
:07:23. > :07:25.attack on the dark state of the nation and the political
:07:26. > :07:29.class, and to promise to take his uncompromising approach
:07:30. > :07:34.from the campaign trail to the White House.
:07:35. > :07:37.Here's Adam Fleming, with a reminder of how
:07:38. > :07:46.First, dropping by for a cup of tea and a slightly awkward exchange
:07:47. > :07:55.Then, friends, foes and predecessors watched
:07:56. > :08:02.I, Donald John Trump, do solemnly swear...
:08:03. > :08:06.The crowds seemed smaller than previous inaugurations,
:08:07. > :08:11.the speech tougher then any previous incoming president.
:08:12. > :08:18.From this day forth, it's going to be only America first.
:08:19. > :08:42.In the meantime, there were sporadic protests in Washington, DC.
:08:43. > :08:47.Opponents made their voices heard around the world too.
:08:48. > :08:49.The President, who'd criticised the work of
:08:50. > :08:53.the intelligence agencies, fitted in a visit to the CIA.
:08:54. > :08:57.There is nobody that feels stronger about the intelligence community
:08:58. > :09:09.And, back at the office, in the dark, a signature signalled
:09:10. > :09:14.the end of the Obama era and the dawn of Trump.
:09:15. > :09:21.So, as you heard there, President Trump used his
:09:22. > :09:23.inauguration to repeat his campaign promise to put "America first"
:09:24. > :09:26.in all his decisions, and offered some hints of what to expect
:09:27. > :09:43.He talked of in America in carnage, to be rebuilt by American hands and
:09:44. > :09:46.American Labour. President Trump has already started to dismantle key
:09:47. > :09:51.parts of the Obama Legacy, including the unwinding of the affordable care
:09:52. > :09:57.act, and the siding of the climate action plan to tackle global
:09:58. > :10:01.warning. Little to say about foreign policy, but promised to eradicate
:10:02. > :10:06.Islamic terrorism from the face of the Earth, insisting he would
:10:07. > :10:12.restore the US military to unquestioning dominance. He also
:10:13. > :10:16.said the US would develop a state missile defence system to deal with
:10:17. > :10:21.threats he sees from Iran and North Korea. In a statement that painted a
:10:22. > :10:26.bleak picture of the country he now runs, he said his would be a law and
:10:27. > :10:32.order Administration, and he would keep the innocents safe by building
:10:33. > :10:37.the border war with Mexico. One thing he didn't mention, for the
:10:38. > :10:40.first time ever, there is a Eurosceptic in the oval office, who
:10:41. > :10:43.is also an enthusiast for Brexit. We're joined now by Ted Malloch -
:10:44. > :10:46.he's a Trump supporter who's been tipped as the president's
:10:47. > :10:48.choice for US ambassador to the EU, and he's
:10:49. > :10:50.just flown back from Washington. And by James Rubin -
:10:51. > :11:01.he's a democrat who served Let's start with that last point I
:11:02. > :11:09.made in the voice over there. We now have a Eurosceptic in the oval
:11:10. > :11:12.office. He is pro-Brexit and not keen on further European Union
:11:13. > :11:18.integration. What are the implications of that? First of all,
:11:19. > :11:23.a renewal of the US- UK special relationship. You see the Prime
:11:24. > :11:27.Minister already going to build and rebuild this relationship. Already,
:11:28. > :11:32.the bust of Winston Churchill is back in the oval office.
:11:33. > :11:37.Interestingly, Martin Luther King's bust is also there, so there is an
:11:38. > :11:43.act of unity in that first movement of dusts. Donald Trump will be
:11:44. > :11:54.oriented between bilateral relationships and not multilateral
:11:55. > :11:59.or supernatural. Supranational full. What are the implications of someone
:12:00. > :12:05.in the White House now not believing in it? I think we are present in the
:12:06. > :12:09.unravelling of America's leadership of the West. There is now a thing
:12:10. > :12:17.called the west that America has led since the end of World War II,
:12:18. > :12:26.creating supranational - we just heard supernatural! These
:12:27. > :12:31.institutions were created. With American leadership, the world was
:12:32. > :12:35.at peace in Europe, and the world grew increasingly democratic and
:12:36. > :12:40.prosperous. Wars were averted that could be extremely costly. When
:12:41. > :12:44.something works in diplomacy, you don't really understand what the
:12:45. > :12:48.consequences could have been. I think we've got complacent. The new
:12:49. > :12:54.president is taking advantage of that. It is a terrible tragedy that
:12:55. > :12:59.so many in the West take for granted the successful leadership and
:13:00. > :13:07.institutions we have built. You could argue, as James Rubin has
:13:08. > :13:11.argued in some articles, that... Will Mr Trump's America be more
:13:12. > :13:19.involved in the world than the Obama won? Or will it continue the process
:13:20. > :13:25.with running shoes on that began with Mr Obama? President Obama
:13:26. > :13:31.stepped back from American leadership. He withdrew from the
:13:32. > :13:34.world. He had a horrendous eight years in office, and American powers
:13:35. > :13:40.have diminished everywhere in the world, not just in Europe. That
:13:41. > :13:45.power will reassert. The focus will be on America first, but there are
:13:46. > :13:50.foreign interests around the world... How does it reassert itself
:13:51. > :13:55.around the world? I think the institutions will be recreated. Some
:13:56. > :14:01.may be taken down. There could be some new ones. I think Nato itself,
:14:02. > :14:05.and certainly the Defence Secretary will have discussions with Donald
:14:06. > :14:09.Trump about how Nato can be reshaped, and maybe there will be
:14:10. > :14:14.more burden sharing. That is an important thing for him. You are
:14:15. > :14:18.tipped to be the US ambassador to Brussels, to the EU, and we are
:14:19. > :14:23.still waiting to hear if that will happen. Is it true to say that Mr
:14:24. > :14:33.Trump does not believe in EU integration? I think you made that
:14:34. > :14:41.clear in the speech. He talked about supranational. He does not believe
:14:42. > :14:45.in those kinds of organisations. He is investing himself in bilateral
:14:46. > :14:50.relationships, the first of which will be with the UK. So we have a
:14:51. > :14:56.president who does not believe in EU integration and has been highly
:14:57. > :15:01.critical of Nato. Do the people he has appointed to defend, Secretary
:15:02. > :15:05.of State, national security, do you think that will temper this
:15:06. > :15:13.anti-NATO wretched? Will he come round to a more pro-NATO situation?
:15:14. > :15:18.I think those of us who care about America's situation in the world
:15:19. > :15:22.will come in to miss President Obama a lot. I think the Secretary of
:15:23. > :15:28.State and the faculty of defence will limit the damage and will urge
:15:29. > :15:33.him not to take formal steps to unravel this most powerful and most
:15:34. > :15:39.successful alliance in history, the Nato alliance. But the damage is
:15:40. > :15:43.already being done. When you are the leader of the West, leadership means
:15:44. > :15:50.you are persuading, encouraging, bolstering your leadership and these
:15:51. > :15:54.institutions by the way you speak. Millions, if not hundreds of
:15:55. > :15:56.millions of people, have now heard the US say that what they care about
:15:57. > :16:05.is within their borders. What do you say to that? It is such
:16:06. > :16:15.an overstatement. The point is that Donald Trump is in a Jacksonian
:16:16. > :16:18.tradition of national populism. He is appealing to the people first.
:16:19. > :16:23.The other day, I was sitting below this page during the address, and he
:16:24. > :16:27.said, everyone sitting behind me as part of the problem. Everyone in
:16:28. > :16:31.front of me, the crowd and the crowd on television, is part of the
:16:32. > :16:36.solution, so we are giving the Government back to the people. That
:16:37. > :16:39.emphasis is going to change American life, including American
:16:40. > :16:48.International relations. It doesn't moving the leak back -- it doesn't
:16:49. > :16:53.mean we are moving out of Nato, it simply means we will put our
:16:54. > :16:56.national interests first. There were echoes of Andrew Jackson's
:16:57. > :17:02.inauguration address of 1820. That night, the Jacksonians trashed the
:17:03. > :17:05.White House, but Mr Trump's people didn't do that, so there is a
:17:06. > :17:11.difference there. He also said something else in the address - that
:17:12. > :17:18.protectionism would lead to prosperity. I would suggest there is
:17:19. > :17:24.no evidence for that in the post-war world. He talked about protecting
:17:25. > :17:26.the American worker, American jobs, the American economy. I actually
:17:27. > :17:34.think that Donald Trump will not turn out to be a protectionist. If
:17:35. > :17:40.you read the heart of the deal... This is referring to two Republican
:17:41. > :17:49.senators who introduce massive tariffs in the Hoover
:17:50. > :17:53.administration. Exactly. If you read The Art Of The Deal, you will see
:17:54. > :17:56.how Donald Trump deals with individuals and countries. There is
:17:57. > :18:02.a lot of bluster, positioning, and I think you already see this in
:18:03. > :18:07.bringing jobs by the United States. Things are going to change. Let's
:18:08. > :18:14.also deal with this proposition. China is the biggest loser of this
:18:15. > :18:21.election result. Let me say this: The first time in American history
:18:22. > :18:29.and American president has set forth his view of the world, and it is a
:18:30. > :18:33.mercantile view of the world, who makes more money, who gets more
:18:34. > :18:37.trade, it doesn't look at the shared values, leadership and defends the
:18:38. > :18:40.world needs. The art of the deal has no application to America's
:18:41. > :18:46.leadership of the world, that's what we're learning. You can be a great
:18:47. > :18:50.businessman and make great real estate deals - whether he did not is
:18:51. > :18:55.debatable - but it has nothing to do with inspiring shared values from
:18:56. > :18:59.the West. You saying China may lose, because he may pressure them to
:19:00. > :19:05.reduce their trade deficit with the US. They may or may not. We may both
:19:06. > :19:09.lose. Right now, his Secretary of State has said, and I think he will
:19:10. > :19:13.walk this back when he is brief, that they will prevent the Chinese
:19:14. > :19:18.from entering these islands in the South China Sea. If they were to do
:19:19. > :19:22.that, it would be a blockade, and there would be a shooting war
:19:23. > :19:27.between the United States and China, so US - China relations are the most
:19:28. > :19:30.important bilateral relationship of the United States, and they don't
:19:31. > :19:35.lend themselves to the bluff and bluster that may have worked when
:19:36. > :19:40.you are trying to get a big building on second Ave in Manhattan. Is China
:19:41. > :19:56.the biggest loser? I think the Chinese have a lot to lose. Gigi and
:19:57. > :20:02.Ping was in Davos this week -- Xi Jin Ping was in Davos.
:20:03. > :20:08.Is Germany the second biggest loser in the sense that I understand he
:20:09. > :20:16.hasn't agreed time to see Angela Merkel yet, also that those close to
:20:17. > :20:18.him believe that Germany is guilty of currency manipulation by adopting
:20:19. > :20:23.a weak your row instead of the strong Deutschmark, and that that is
:20:24. > :20:29.why they are running a huge balance of payments surplus with the United
:20:30. > :20:34.States. American - German relations may not be great. There is a point
:20:35. > :20:38.of view throughout Europe. You only have to talk to the southern
:20:39. > :20:42.Europeans about this question. It seems like the euro has been aligned
:20:43. > :20:48.to benefit Germany. Joe Stiglitz, the famous left of centre Democrat
:20:49. > :20:55.economist, made the same case in a recent book. In this case, I think
:20:56. > :20:59.Germany will be put under the spotlight. Angela Merkel has shown
:21:00. > :21:04.herself to be the most respected and the most successful leader in
:21:05. > :21:09.Europe. We who care about the West, who care about the shared values of
:21:10. > :21:14.the West, should pray and hope that she is re-elected. This isn't about
:21:15. > :21:19.dollars and cents. We're living in a time whether Russian leader has
:21:20. > :21:24.another country in Europe and for some inexplicable reason, the
:21:25. > :21:27.American president, who can use his insult diplomacy on everyone,
:21:28. > :21:34.including Mrs Merkel, the only person he can't seem to find
:21:35. > :21:37.anything to criticise about is Mr Putin. There are things more
:21:38. > :21:42.important than the actual details of your currency. There are things like
:21:43. > :21:44.preventing another war in Europe, preventing a war between the Chinese
:21:45. > :21:51.and the US. You talk about the Trident missile all morning, nuclear
:21:52. > :21:57.deterrence is extremely important. It doesn't lend itself to the bluff
:21:58. > :22:00.and bluster of a real estate deal. I understand all that, but the fact we
:22:01. > :22:04.are even talking about these things shows the new world we are moving
:22:05. > :22:09.into. I'd like to get you both to react to this. This is a man that
:22:10. > :22:16.ended the Bush Dynasty, a man that beat the Clinton machine. In his
:22:17. > :22:19.inauguration, not only did he not reach out to the Democrats, he
:22:20. > :22:26.didn't even mention the Republicans. These are changed days for us. They
:22:27. > :22:29.are, and change can be good or disastrous. I'm worried that it's
:22:30. > :22:36.easy in the world of diplomacy and in them -- for the leadership of the
:22:37. > :22:40.United States to break relationships and ruin alliances. These are things
:22:41. > :22:47.that were carefully nurtured. George Schultz, the American Secretary of
:22:48. > :22:51.State under Reagan talked about gardening, the slow, careful
:22:52. > :22:56.creation of a place with bilateral relationships that were blossoming
:22:57. > :22:59.and flowering multilateral relationships that take decades to
:23:00. > :23:05.create, and he will throw them away in a matter of days. The final
:23:06. > :23:09.word... I work for George Schultz. He was a Marine who stood up
:23:10. > :23:13.America, defended America, who would be in favour of many of the things
:23:14. > :23:19.that Donald Trump and the tramp Administration... Give him a call.
:23:20. > :23:23.His top aide macs that I've spoken to are appalled by Mr Trump's
:23:24. > :23:31.abdication of leadership. He is going to our radically -- he's going
:23:32. > :23:36.to eradicate extremist Islam from the face of the year. Is that
:23:37. > :23:39.realistic? I know people in the national security realm have worked
:23:40. > :23:46.on a plan. They say they will have such a plan in some detail within 90
:23:47. > :23:51.days. Lets hope they succeed. We have run out of time. As a issues.
:23:52. > :23:55.Thank you, both. -- fascinating issues.
:23:56. > :23:58.So Theresa May promised a big speech on Brexit, and this week -
:23:59. > :24:00.perhaps against expectation - she delivered, trying to answer
:24:01. > :24:03.claims that the government didn't have a plan with an explicit
:24:04. > :24:06.wish-list of what she hopes to achieve in negotiations with the EU.
:24:07. > :24:08.To her allies it was ambitious, bold, optimistic -
:24:09. > :24:10.to her opponents it was full of contradictions
:24:11. > :24:13.Here's Adam again, with a reminder of the speech and how
:24:14. > :24:18.There are speeches, and there are speeches.
:24:19. > :24:22.Like Theresa May's 12 principles for a Brexit deal leading
:24:23. > :24:25.to the UK fully out of the EU but still friendly in terms
:24:26. > :24:29.This agreement should allow for the freest possible trade
:24:30. > :24:31.in goods and services between Britain and the EU's member states.
:24:32. > :24:37.It should give British companies the maximum
:24:38. > :24:40.operate within European markets and let European businesses do
:24:41. > :24:48.She also said no deal would be better than the wrong deal,
:24:49. > :25:04.We want to test what people think about what she's just said.
:25:05. > :25:06.Do we have any of our future negotiating
:25:07. > :25:11.As the European Parliament voted for its new
:25:12. > :25:19.president, its chief negotiator sounded off.
:25:20. > :25:21.Saying, OK, if our European counterparts don't accept
:25:22. > :25:24.it, we're going to make from Britain a sort
:25:25. > :25:26.of free zone or tax haven, I
:25:27. > :25:33.The Prime Minister of Malta, the country that's assumed the EU's
:25:34. > :25:36.rotating presidency, spoke in sorrow and a bit of anger.
:25:37. > :25:40.We want a fair deal for the United Kingdom, but
:25:41. > :25:50.that deal necessarily needs to be inferior to membership.
:25:51. > :25:52.Next, let's hear from some enthusiastic
:25:53. > :25:57.leavers, like, I don't know, the Daily Mail?
:25:58. > :26:01.The paper lapped it up with this adoring front page.
:26:02. > :26:05.For Brexiteers, it was all manna from heaven.
:26:06. > :26:07.I think today means we are a big step closer to becoming
:26:08. > :26:10.an independent country again, with control of our own laws,
:26:11. > :26:16.I was chuckling at some of it, to be honest, because
:26:17. > :26:20.There were various phrases there which I've used myself again and
:26:21. > :26:25.Do we have any of those so-called Remoaners?
:26:26. > :26:27.There will, at the end of this deal process,
:26:28. > :26:31.so politicians get to vote on the stitch-up, but
:26:32. > :26:34.We take the view as Liberal Democrats that
:26:35. > :26:36.if this process started with democracy last June,
:26:37. > :26:40.We trusted the people with departure, we must trust them
:26:41. > :26:46.Do we have anyone from Labour, or are you all
:26:47. > :26:48.watching it in a small room somewhere?
:26:49. > :26:56.Throughout the speech, there seemed to be an implied threat that
:26:57. > :26:59.somewhere along the line, if all her optimism of a deal
:27:00. > :27:01.with the European Union didn't work, we would move
:27:02. > :27:03.into a low-tax, corporate taxation, bargain-basement economy on the
:27:04. > :27:06.I think she needs to be a bit clearer about what
:27:07. > :27:14.The Labour leader suggested he'd tell
:27:15. > :27:17.his MPs to vote in favour of starting a Brexit process if
:27:18. > :27:19.Parliament was given the choice, sparking a mini pre-revolt among
:27:20. > :27:25.Finally, do we have anyone from big business here?
:27:26. > :27:34.Of course, your all in Davos at the World Economic
:27:35. > :27:44.Clarity, first of all, really codified what many of us have been
:27:45. > :27:46.anticipating since the referendum result,
:27:47. > :27:47.particularly around the
:27:48. > :27:51.I think what we've also seen today is the Government's
:27:52. > :27:54.willingness to put a bit of edge into the negotiating dynamic, and I
:27:55. > :27:59.Trade negotiations are negotiations, and you have to lay out, and you
:28:00. > :28:01.have to be pretty tough to get what you want.
:28:02. > :28:03.Although some business people on the slopes speculated
:28:04. > :28:05.about moving some of their operations out of Brexit Britain.
:28:06. > :28:24.We saw there the instant reaction of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn,
:28:25. > :28:27.but how will the party respond to the challenge posed by Brexit
:28:28. > :28:30.Well, I'm joined now by the Shadow Home Secretary, Diane Abbott.
:28:31. > :28:39.People know that Ukip and the Tories are for Brexit. The Lib Dems are
:28:40. > :28:44.four remain. What is Labour for? For respecting the result of the
:28:45. > :28:48.referendum. It was a 72% turnout, very high for an election of that
:28:49. > :28:52.nature, and we believe you have to respect that result. You couldn't
:28:53. > :28:56.have a situation where people like Tim Farron are saying to people,
:28:57. > :28:59.millions of people, sorry, you got it wrong, we in London no better.
:29:00. > :29:07.However, how the Tories go forward from here has to be subject to
:29:08. > :29:12.parliamentary scrutiny. Is it Shadow Cabinet policy to vote for the
:29:13. > :29:15.triggering of Article 50? Our policy is not to block Article 50. That is
:29:16. > :29:22.what the leader was saying this morning. So are you for it? Our
:29:23. > :29:27.policy is not to block it. You are talking about voting for it. We
:29:28. > :29:33.don't know what the Supreme Court is going to say, and we don't know what
:29:34. > :29:36.legislation Government will bring forward, and we don't know what
:29:37. > :29:43.amendment we will move, but we're clear that we will not vote to block
:29:44. > :29:51.it. OK, so you won't bow to stop it, but you could abstain? No, what we
:29:52. > :29:55.will do... Either you vote for or against all you abstain. There are
:29:56. > :29:58.too many unanswered questions. For instance, the position of EU
:29:59. > :30:03.migrants working and living in this country. You may not get the answer
:30:04. > :30:07.to that before Article 50 comes before the Commons, so what would
:30:08. > :30:12.you do then? We are giving to amend it. We can only tell you exactly how
:30:13. > :30:15.we will amend it when we understand what sort of legislation the
:30:16. > :30:19.Government is putting forward, and in the course of moving those
:30:20. > :30:23.amendments, we will ask the questions that the people of Britain
:30:24. > :30:28.whether they voted to leave remain want answered.
:30:29. > :30:37.When you come to a collective view, will there be a three line whip? I
:30:38. > :30:42.can't tell you, because we have not seen the government 's legislation.
:30:43. > :30:48.But when you see it, you will come to a collective view. Many regard
:30:49. > :30:53.this as extremely important. Will there be a three line whip on
:30:54. > :30:59.Labour's collective view? Because it is important, we shouldn't get ahead
:31:00. > :31:02.of ourselves. When we see what the Supreme Court says, and crucially,
:31:03. > :31:07.when we see what the government position is, you will hear what the
:31:08. > :31:14.whipping is. Will shadow ministers be able to defy any three line whip
:31:15. > :31:19.on this? That is not normally the case. But they did on an early vote
:31:20. > :31:25.that the government introduced on Article 50. Those who voted against
:31:26. > :31:29.it are still there. In the Blair years, you certainly couldn't defy a
:31:30. > :31:36.three line whip. We will see what happens going forward. I remember
:31:37. > :31:39.when the Tories were hopelessly divided over the EU. All these
:31:40. > :31:46.Maastricht votes and an list arguments. Now it is Labour. Just
:31:47. > :31:58.another symptom of Mr Corbyn's poor leadership. Not at all. Two thirds
:31:59. > :32:03.voted to leave, a third to remain. We are seeking to bring the country
:32:04. > :32:08.and the party together. We will do that by pointing out how disastrous
:32:09. > :32:18.a Tory Brexit would be. Meanwhile, around 80 Labour MPs will defy a
:32:19. > :32:22.three line whip. It's too early to say that. Will you publish what you
:32:23. > :32:28.believe the negotiating goal should be? We are clear on it. We think
:32:29. > :32:34.that the economy, jobs and living standards should be the priority.
:32:35. > :32:39.What Theresa May is saying is that holding her party together is her
:32:40. > :32:46.priority. She is putting party above country. Does Labour think we should
:32:47. > :32:50.remain members of the single market? Ideally, in terms of jobs and the
:32:51. > :32:55.economy, of course. Ritt -ish business thinks that as well. Is
:32:56. > :33:00.Labour policy that we should remain a member of the single market?
:33:01. > :33:04.Labour leaves that jobs and the economy comes first, and if they
:33:05. > :33:11.come first, you would want to remain part of the single market. But to
:33:12. > :33:18.remain a member? Jobs and the economy comes first, and to do that,
:33:19. > :33:23.ideally, guess. So with that, comes free movement of people, the
:33:24. > :33:29.jurisdiction of the European, and a multi-million never shipped thief.
:33:30. > :33:35.Is Labour prepared to pay that? Money is neither here nor there.
:33:36. > :33:44.Because the Tories will be asked to pay a lot of money... The EU has
:33:45. > :33:51.made it clear that you cannot have... I am asking for Labour's
:33:52. > :33:56.position. Our position is rooted in the reality, and the reality is that
:33:57. > :34:00.you cannot have the benefits of the member of the European Union,
:34:01. > :34:03.including being a member of the single market, without
:34:04. > :34:07.responsibility, including free movement of people. Free movement,
:34:08. > :34:16.is remaining under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. Is
:34:17. > :34:21.that the Labour position? You've said that Labour wants to remain a
:34:22. > :34:25.member of the single market. That is the price tag that comes with it.
:34:26. > :34:31.Does Labour agree with paying that price tag? We are not pre-empting
:34:32. > :34:36.negotiation. Our goals are protect jobs and the British economy. Is it
:34:37. > :34:45.Labour's position that we remain a member of the customs union? Well,
:34:46. > :34:55.if we don't, I don't see how Theresa May can keep our promises and has
:34:56. > :35:04.unfettered access... You said Labour's position was clear. It is!
:35:05. > :35:10.It is clear that Theresa May... I am not asking about Theresa May. Is it
:35:11. > :35:16.Labour's position to remain a member of the customs union? It is Labour's
:35:17. > :35:20.position to do what is right for British industry. Depending on how
:35:21. > :35:25.the negotiations go, it may prove that coming out of the customs
:35:26. > :35:31.union, as Theresa May has indicated she wants to do, could prove
:35:32. > :35:36.catastrophic, and could actually destroy some of her promises. You do
:35:37. > :35:43.accept that if we are member of the customs union, we cannot do our own
:35:44. > :35:49.free trade deals? What free trade deals are you talking about? The
:35:50. > :35:54.ones that Labour might want to do in the future. First, we have to
:35:55. > :35:59.protect British jobs and British industries. If you are talking about
:36:00. > :36:03.free trade deals with Donald Trump, the danger is that Theresa May will
:36:04. > :36:10.get drawn into a free-trade deal with America that will open up the
:36:11. > :36:16.NHS to American corporate... The cards are in Theresa May's hands. If
:36:17. > :36:20.she takes us out of the single market, if she takes us out of the
:36:21. > :36:25.customs union, we will have to deal with that. How big a crisis for
:36:26. > :36:31.Jeremy Corbyn will be if Labour loses both by-elections in February.
:36:32. > :36:40.I don't believe we will lose both. But if he did? I am not anticipating
:36:41. > :36:44.that. Is Labour lost two seats in a midterm of a Tory government, would
:36:45. > :36:48.that be business as usual? I'm not prepared to see us lose those seats,
:36:49. > :36:52.so I will not talk about something that will not happen. Thank you.
:36:53. > :36:53.You're watching the Sunday Politics.
:36:54. > :36:56.We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now
:36:57. > :36:59.Coming up here in 20 minutes, The Week Ahead,
:37:00. > :37:01.when we'll be talking to Business Minister Margot James
:37:02. > :37:04.about the government's new industrial strategy and that
:37:05. > :37:07.crucial Supreme Court ruling on Brexit.
:37:08. > :37:20.First, though, the Sunday Politics where you are.
:37:21. > :37:29.Coming up in the north-west... A bright future for global trade or
:37:30. > :37:34.simply bananas? Will leaving the single market beer any fruit? Are
:37:35. > :37:39.you happy with the way it is going? Yes, totally happy at the moment.
:37:40. > :37:42.Get it all sorted and get out of the European union.
:37:43. > :37:46.As are our guests I'm sure - Angela Rayner the Labour MP
:37:47. > :37:47.for Ashton-under-Lyne and Shadow Education Secretary,
:37:48. > :37:50.and Graham Brady is the senior backbench Conservative MP
:37:51. > :37:59.We will get your views shortly on the speech.
:38:00. > :38:02.Let's hear from Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron who didn't
:38:03. > :38:13.To take us out of the single market and with the white flag over the
:38:14. > :38:18.cliffs of Dover and give up on what is best for Britain, is damaging to
:38:19. > :38:23.Britain's future and it is a theft of democracy. It was not on the
:38:24. > :38:25.ballot paper at last June and it is terrible she is forcing it on as
:38:26. > :38:33.now. We went through a referendum
:38:34. > :38:38.campaign where both sides It was made very clear
:38:39. > :38:43.by the Prime Minister at the time and George Osborne,
:38:44. > :38:44.the Chancellor. It was made clear by both
:38:45. > :38:47.sides in the campaign. If people want to have
:38:48. > :38:52.control over migration into the United Kingdom, it is also
:38:53. > :38:54.a fundamental requirement. You cannot do that
:38:55. > :38:56.in this angle market. What was clear was the outcome
:38:57. > :39:01.of the referendum. One of the things we do get through
:39:02. > :39:06.it now is ensuring we get the best If we're not going to be
:39:07. > :39:10.of the single market, I understand Theresa May is looking
:39:11. > :39:13.at how we will get access to that single market and that is something
:39:14. > :39:16.we need to progress and make sure Our young people need those
:39:17. > :39:21.high-skilled, high wage jobs and that business across Europe
:39:22. > :39:22.and That is my priority,
:39:23. > :39:29.to hold Theresa May on that. So how has Theresa May's vision
:39:30. > :39:32.for Brexit gone down We asked Stuart Pollitt
:39:33. > :39:35.to gauge reaction at not just a single market
:39:36. > :39:39.- get it? but two - in towns with different
:39:40. > :39:42.views in last year's referendum. It's just over six
:39:43. > :39:52.months since the in or out choice that put the cat
:39:53. > :39:56.amongst the pigeons. Have attitudes changed
:39:57. > :40:02.in Brexit backing Burnley? The day after the vote we met Athena
:40:03. > :40:06.and her partner James. They'd opened their greek deli
:40:07. > :40:11.in Burnley that very week. Business is still quite slow
:40:12. > :40:14.but a nice Christmas, a good You and your partner had
:40:15. > :40:22.a difference in opinion. I still think that people don't
:40:23. > :40:29.realise how difficult it will be A lot of people think it
:40:30. > :41:04.has gone down hill, the Do you think we might
:41:05. > :41:07.have made a mistake? Our country, the best
:41:08. > :41:12.country in the world. This was an area that
:41:13. > :41:18.voted to remain. How do they think
:41:19. > :41:21.about all things EU and Their wider business has
:41:22. > :41:31.been bubbling away quite Ours has increased in
:41:32. > :41:38.the past six months. We have found an
:41:39. > :41:39.increase in business. It has made me think
:41:40. > :41:54.to get along a bit faster. We were going back
:41:55. > :42:13.to what we used to be. So it seems that
:42:14. > :42:15.despite Theresa May's intervention this week -
:42:16. > :42:17.peopel's views about our place Nobody seems to be
:42:18. > :42:20.changing their minds. Also with us is Dr Kathryn Simpson,
:42:21. > :42:23.a Brexit expert from I would like to start
:42:24. > :42:28.with you, Angela. You have accused the Prime
:42:29. > :42:30.Minister of dithering. It provided some clarity
:42:31. > :42:41.but I so have concerns and one of the concerns
:42:42. > :42:43.is the north-west has seemed
:42:44. > :42:51.like the poor cousin and I want and I want to see the detail
:42:52. > :42:54.about how we're going to get How is Brexit going to
:42:55. > :43:01.ensure we are getting a fare share of the economic
:43:02. > :43:03.pie, so to speak. We have not felt that for a long
:43:04. > :43:08.time and I think that is why parts of the north-west
:43:09. > :43:10.voted in the way we did. We want to see the fruits
:43:11. > :43:13.of that in the north-west. Would you like to see her go further
:43:14. > :43:16.in what will replace single market? No, I think people
:43:17. > :43:18.complained about her moving slowly is because she
:43:19. > :43:19.is methodical and she likes
:43:20. > :43:21.to work through things. She has now given a clear statement
:43:22. > :43:25.about what they are trying to achieve and negotiate
:43:26. > :43:32.the objectives are. We cannot announce what is
:43:33. > :43:34.happening at this point. We need to go and that
:43:35. > :43:37.for the best deal that we can. I think what she has set out
:43:38. > :43:40.in terms of that trade It is a difficult one
:43:41. > :43:48.from the speech that she gave on Tuesday,
:43:49. > :43:51.it is clear we are going to be leaving the single and also
:43:52. > :43:55.we want to have a relationship with the customs union
:43:56. > :43:58.as well but we are going to opt out With a lot of trade agreements
:43:59. > :44:06.as well, these take Davos speech, she slapped the wrist
:44:07. > :44:22.of some of the leaders who was There was criticism
:44:23. > :44:29.across Europe that she She accused the EU of holding us
:44:30. > :44:38.in a vice like grip. That is not how you make friends
:44:39. > :44:41.and influence people. What I welcome most
:44:42. > :44:43.is the positive, warm tone. I like the fact
:44:44. > :44:45.she was talking about looking outwards and
:44:46. > :44:49.engaging with the world. We see ourselves as being close
:44:50. > :44:51.allies of our European I think we will be more engaged
:44:52. > :44:56.with Europe and the world without having this destructive
:44:57. > :44:58.relationship where we are constantly arguing against the next
:44:59. > :45:05.round of integration. Because they want to go to a place
:45:06. > :45:07.that we never could. Angela, where was Jeremy Corbyn
:45:08. > :45:09.after this speech? It was a golden opportunity
:45:10. > :45:13.to get the Labour message across and we saw a confused
:45:14. > :45:16.message from the Labour leader. Jeremy Corbyn was quite
:45:17. > :45:21.strong in questions. We put our press release out and
:45:22. > :45:38.meet your people were clear that we do not want a bargain basement
:45:39. > :45:41.economy and the tax haven that we were concerned the
:45:42. > :45:42.Chancellor spoke about. We want to see high skilled,
:45:43. > :45:45.highly paid jobs in the north-west. I am crucially involved with that
:45:46. > :45:48.in our education brief. We are not going to be
:45:49. > :45:50.able to provide that economy and those jobs and we are
:45:51. > :45:53.looking at being a tax haven. Tim Farron has offered
:45:54. > :45:58.an alternative. He is going to ignore
:45:59. > :46:00.the vote of the Do you think your constituents
:46:01. > :46:04.know what Jeremy Corbyn We will be exiting the European
:46:05. > :46:10.union and we want to see the details of how we're
:46:11. > :46:14.going to protect jobs and make sure we have what people describe as soft
:46:15. > :46:32.mandate to end up with less quality conditions.
:46:33. > :46:33.People in the north-west voted strongly because
:46:34. > :46:36.They were not control of their lives any more.
:46:37. > :46:38.They have not been given opportunities.
:46:39. > :46:41.They want to see was opportunities and I want to make
:46:42. > :46:43.sure that those opportunities come to the north-west for us.
:46:44. > :46:47.A strong message has been from the Liberal
:46:48. > :46:57.They are the strong European or pro-European, party in
:46:58. > :47:01.This is the one time that we want strong opposition in British
:47:02. > :47:05.The Conservatives have a difficult six-month ahead of them
:47:06. > :47:08.and I think Labour need a clear message on where they stand on
:47:09. > :47:11.Brexit and what they expect to come of these negotiations over the
:47:12. > :47:16.Just to pick up on the north-west, and the
:47:17. > :47:21.idea of people feeling disengaged, there was a strong leave vote for
:47:22. > :47:22.the European union, apart from the city
:47:23. > :47:23.centre of Manchester, but
:47:24. > :47:29.regional structural development funds are matched funding and that
:47:30. > :47:32.is something that we need to have more clarifications on in terms of
:47:33. > :47:33.investment for jobs, different educational
:47:34. > :47:34.programmes but for the
:47:35. > :47:38.Will our views in the north west actually matter?
:47:39. > :47:40.Labour's mayoral contender for Greater Manchester sought
:47:41. > :47:44.assurances this week from the Brexit Secretary.
:47:45. > :47:47.I see the Prime Minister's speech today that she mentions the impact
:47:48. > :48:00.Protecting the interests of Cardiff and London. There is no mention of
:48:01. > :48:08.the north-west of Manchester. I am called as of the needs of the north
:48:09. > :48:12.and what I am intending to do, is after at the mayoral elections to
:48:13. > :48:17.get all the mayors of the north to come together and have a meeting to
:48:18. > :48:22.talk about that. He has promised this committee for the regions on
:48:23. > :48:27.Brexit. We are feeling abandoned. The northern Power has seems to have
:48:28. > :48:35.disappeared. Phrase that David Davis is using? I think David Davis is it
:48:36. > :48:41.nor there are, the wrong side of the Pennines but we will not hold that
:48:42. > :48:44.against him but he realised the importance of that engagement and he
:48:45. > :48:54.was offering that to the north. He took that we have got members of
:48:55. > :48:58.Parliament to make sure our voices are heard. We do not want the words
:48:59. > :49:04.That was part of the Brexit vote for That was part of the Brexit vote for
:49:05. > :49:08.me, they want to see the real investment programme were there
:49:09. > :49:11.young people are not having to young people are not having to
:49:12. > :49:15.they want to see the jobs in they want to see the jobs in
:49:16. > :49:19.Manchester and the north. We are seeing a lot of that investment in
:49:20. > :49:25.transport but it is going to be wider, we are on the same page of
:49:26. > :49:27.that. A lot of the jobs are reliant on the U. If we leave the single
:49:28. > :49:33.market, this is jumping into the market, this is jumping into the
:49:34. > :49:38.unknown? There is a period of uncertainty. What is interesting is
:49:39. > :49:42.that that kind of economic shock has not hit as strongly as it was
:49:43. > :49:46.predicted. Because of the uncertainty that we know about
:49:47. > :49:50.because of the Brexit negotiations, yes, we have had some clarity but
:49:51. > :49:54.not lots. There is no white paper that is going to follow up the
:49:55. > :49:58.speech. We need to see further clarity and this period of
:49:59. > :50:02.uncertainty will fester this, in particular for jobs and the economy.
:50:03. > :50:07.People say we did not learn anything. She gave a great speech
:50:08. > :50:12.but we did not learn very much, did we? I do not know, I had a call from
:50:13. > :50:19.a journalist and they said they have never seen a speech overdeliver.
:50:20. > :50:26.What did we learn? The tone was the most important thing. Reaching out
:50:27. > :50:30.and being globally engaged and the reassuring that was offered to
:50:31. > :50:37.citizens from the European union in the UK. Not a cast-iron guarantee.
:50:38. > :50:42.That is a hands of the other European countries. It would have
:50:43. > :50:47.been given if... I think there was a lot in the speech in terms of tone,
:50:48. > :50:53.but in terms of direction. I do not think... This was a 7000 word
:50:54. > :50:58.speech, I do not agree need a white Paper now. If people want a White
:50:59. > :51:02.Paper, they should print the speech off. I am sure we will be coming
:51:03. > :51:05.back to this. Thank you very much for joining us.
:51:06. > :51:07.Art, music and cookery lessons could soon be
:51:08. > :51:09.a thing of the past, according to head
:51:10. > :51:12.?3 billion is being cut from the national budget,
:51:13. > :51:14.while individual schools are also getting to grips
:51:15. > :51:18.And spending per pupil in one half of Cheshire is now
:51:19. > :51:26.the lowest in the country, as Phil McCann can explain.
:51:27. > :51:35.Chefs and artists, two professions this school may not be producing in
:51:36. > :51:39.future unless the Government's new funding formula changes. I want to
:51:40. > :51:43.use it for when I am older so I can cook on my own. I think it is
:51:44. > :51:47.important for young people to learn about it and I enjoyed cooking
:51:48. > :51:53.different foods every week. I like guitar lessons because I like
:51:54. > :52:00.letting my inspiration paint itself on a page. It is devastating for us
:52:01. > :52:08.it to come off the curriculum. We will miss out as a country. This
:52:09. > :52:17.budget. These subjects could go or a budget. These subjects could go or a
:52:18. > :52:23.four day week good goal. Under this proposal, these subjects are at
:52:24. > :52:27.risk, these subjects that make school should be about. A balanced
:52:28. > :52:32.experience for our young people. We have never seen anything like it. It
:52:33. > :52:37.is Draconian and it will destroy some schools. It is going to have a
:52:38. > :52:42.massive impact on the provision we give to our children in an area of
:52:43. > :52:47.deprivation. The schools in this area are amongst the worst funded in
:52:48. > :52:51.England. Your is a problem for you. The Education Secretary wants to
:52:52. > :52:56.reduce the basic level of funding for each pupil in Cheshire by ?87.
:52:57. > :53:00.All is not equal, if you subtract All is not equal, if you subtract
:53:01. > :53:04.the amount that people would get that there are counterparts in the
:53:05. > :53:14.best funded parts of the UK would get... Pupils here would lose out to
:53:15. > :53:21.the tune of ?2700. The formula makes one of the worst funded borrowers in
:53:22. > :53:28.England the worst funded. Also joining Cheshire east in the bottom
:53:29. > :53:34.ten... Warrington, the west of Cheshire, Stockport and Trafford.
:53:35. > :53:38.Last week, the schools minister told MPs the formula was meant to get rid
:53:39. > :53:42.of inequalities. We need to introduce fear funding so that the
:53:43. > :53:47.same child with the same need will attract the same funding, regardless
:53:48. > :53:51.of where they happen to live. Top ups do mean some schools are better
:53:52. > :53:55.off if they are in deprived areas. More people to do not speak English
:53:56. > :53:59.as a second language. The Government is facing pressure to come up with a
:54:00. > :54:09.new mix of many of its MPs who teased unfairness. -- taste. A
:54:10. > :54:15.headteacher saying it was Draconian and brilliant schools could be
:54:16. > :54:20.damaged. Absolutely right and the draft that has been put out has some
:54:21. > :54:26.very perverse effects. It cannot happen. It is a draft for
:54:27. > :54:29.discussion. I think the Secretary of State and other ministers have felt
:54:30. > :54:34.clearly the views that others have expressed about that. Many of us
:54:35. > :54:37.have wanted a national funding formula for a long time because we
:54:38. > :54:41.represent areas which historically have been badly funded and there
:54:42. > :54:45.should be a way to even it up and get fairness. It is crazy to
:54:46. > :54:48.proposal whereby the worst funded proposal whereby the worst funded
:54:49. > :54:52.authorities would get even less than seeing them come up to the
:54:53. > :54:55.This is on top of the 3 billion This is on top of the 3 billion
:54:56. > :55:01.being cut nationally. Greening being cut nationally. Greening
:55:02. > :55:08.saying there has to be a... Something has to give. That is what
:55:09. > :55:12.we are talking about. We are talking about the worst funded local
:55:13. > :55:16.authority areas facing further cuts and the whole point of a national
:55:17. > :55:23.funding formula is to achieve fairness across the country. Angela,
:55:24. > :55:30.we heard figures of the worst schools in the country. All in the
:55:31. > :55:32.north-west, all in the bottom five, all Labour-controlled local
:55:33. > :55:37.authorities. What is upsetting to me is that in some of our most deprived
:55:38. > :55:43.areas with a neat extra support, some of the cuts that have been
:55:44. > :55:49.really hard-hitting and our services have been affected by that. Oldham
:55:50. > :55:53.Council have seen over 50% of their budget cut. It has had an impact and
:55:54. > :55:57.we need to be putting that money in. Justine Greening said it is going to
:55:58. > :56:06.be one of those Tiger did areas but if we take ?20 and take ten back,
:56:07. > :56:09.you are still losing ?10. We do want a national funding formula is fear
:56:10. > :56:15.and poster Brexit, our young people are going to be the future and the
:56:16. > :56:20.ones who are going to have technology and make Britain great
:56:21. > :56:27.again. Why are they not investing in grammar schools, when we know bright
:56:28. > :56:33.kids are not being reached? People do better when they go to grammar
:56:34. > :56:37.wealthier backgrounds. We need to wealthier backgrounds. We need to
:56:38. > :56:42.is as fair as possible. How do we do is as fair as possible. How do we do
:56:43. > :56:48.that when we know there is evidence that families moved to that area and
:56:49. > :56:52.pay for tutors. Let's get some grammar schools in the least
:56:53. > :56:59.affluent areas. Will that work, Angela? As we both know, there is
:57:00. > :57:02.private tutoring and children get squeezed out again. It is not a fair
:57:03. > :57:08.system and we know that the national system and we know that the national
:57:09. > :57:14.tables show that where we have comprehensive systems, that serves
:57:15. > :57:18.children, all children do well in a comprehensive system. When you bring
:57:19. > :57:25.in selection, like in Kent, the attainment gap grows. If you look at
:57:26. > :57:31.Trafford, we are doing a great job for children across a whole.
:57:32. > :57:35.Trafford is an affluent area. It is a mixed area. That is because there
:57:36. > :57:39.are more grammar schools they appeared to move there for that
:57:40. > :57:45.reason. We are getting good results. If you look at the tables that came
:57:46. > :57:50.out this week,... Progress and grammar schools were not as good as
:57:51. > :57:56.comprehensive. One of the newspapers said that particular at the tables,
:57:57. > :58:00.they were better than any of the nearby authorities. That includes
:58:01. > :58:06.schools like Stratford Grammar, which is in one of the less affluent
:58:07. > :58:14.parts. If you look at the model of grammars were they can afford to get
:58:15. > :58:20.extra curricular act to reduce -- activities, we want that for every
:58:21. > :58:24.child, wouldn't you agree? We need all children to get that. I go to
:58:25. > :58:30.the local high schools and I see some of the best teachers they are.
:58:31. > :58:31.You get really good teachers who have different inclinations,
:58:32. > :58:36.different specialisms... They will tell you that they are restricted in
:58:37. > :58:43.terms of offering extracurricular activities. We need that funding and
:58:44. > :58:46.support to do that. You will have to agree to disagree on this one.
:58:47. > :58:48.Health services were still in the news this week.
:58:49. > :58:51.Here's Carol Lowe with that and a roundup of what else
:58:52. > :59:04.for the region's health services this week.
:59:05. > :59:06.Celebrations in Chorley as A reopened part-time after nine
:59:07. > :59:16.We wanted open 24 seven. It is not open 24/7. -- want it open.
:59:17. > :59:21.But anger in Bury as health bosses voted to close two walk-in centres.
:59:22. > :59:24.We need these places were you can just go on.
:59:25. > :59:27.The biggest building project outside London is in its final year.
:59:28. > :59:29.The 600 million pound Mersey Gateway Bridge is due
:59:30. > :59:33.A consultation closed into plans for a generation of homebuilding
:59:34. > :59:40.Tynwald's on the telly - the Manx Parliament has been up
:59:41. > :59:42.and running for more than a millennium and will now
:59:43. > :59:48.And Washington finally welcomed a man who could shape
:59:49. > :59:57.As the MP for Ribble Valley Nigel Evans popped over for the weekend.
:59:58. > :00:02.Thank you to my guests, Angela Rayner and Graham Brady.
:00:03. > :00:06.Next week we'll be looking at a local MP's role in the legacy
:00:07. > :00:10.Now I'll hand you back to Andrew Neil in London.
:00:11. > :00:13.have to do this. Thank you to you both.
:00:14. > :00:23.What exactly is the government's industrial strategy?
:00:24. > :00:27.Will ministers lose their supreme court battle over Brexit, and,
:00:28. > :00:39.Well, tomorrow Theresa May is launching the government's
:00:40. > :00:42.industrial strategy - and to talk about that we're joined
:00:43. > :00:50.by the Business Minister, Margot James - welcome to the show.
:00:51. > :00:57.When you look at what has already been released in advance of the
:00:58. > :01:03.Prime Minister's statement, it was embargoed for last night, it's not
:01:04. > :01:07.really an industrial strategy, it's just another skills strategy, of
:01:08. > :01:14.which we have had about six since the war, and our skills training is
:01:15. > :01:18.among the worst in Western Europe? There will be plenty more to be
:01:19. > :01:22.announced tomorrow in what is really a discussion document in the
:01:23. > :01:26.preparation of an industrial strategy which we intend to launch
:01:27. > :01:35.properly later in the year. Let's look at skills. You are allocating
:01:36. > :01:41.117 of funding to establish institutes of technology. How many?
:01:42. > :01:47.The exact number is to be agreed, but the spend is there, and it will
:01:48. > :01:50.be on top of what we are doing to the university, technical
:01:51. > :01:56.colleges... How many were lit bio create? We don't know exactly, but
:01:57. > :02:00.we want to put them in areas where young people are performing under
:02:01. > :02:07.the national average. But if you don't know how many, what is the
:02:08. > :02:11.basis of 170 million? That is the amount the Treasury have released.
:02:12. > :02:16.The something that is very important, we are agreed we need to
:02:17. > :02:22.devote more resources to vocational training and get it on a par with
:02:23. > :02:28.academic qualifications. I looked on the website of my old university,
:02:29. > :02:33.the University of Glasgow, the Russell group universities. Its
:02:34. > :02:41.spending budget every year is over 600 million. That's one University.
:02:42. > :02:46.And yet you have a mere 170 million foreign unspecified number of
:02:47. > :02:51.institutes of technology. It hasn't got equality with the academics? You
:02:52. > :02:55.have to remember that just as you have quoted figures from Glasgow
:02:56. > :02:59.University there are further education colleges all over the
:03:00. > :03:08.country. The government is already spending on 16 to 19-year-olds. But
:03:09. > :03:13.also, we are going to be adding... This is new money that is all to the
:03:14. > :03:18.good, because we are already spending a lot. We have already
:03:19. > :03:22.created 2 million more apprentices since 2010. That many are not in
:03:23. > :03:27.what we would call the stem skills, and a lot come nowhere near what the
:03:28. > :03:33.Dutch, Germans and Austrians would have. I'm not clear how another 170
:03:34. > :03:38.million would do. You said it is more than skills. In what way is
:03:39. > :03:49.this industrial strategy different from what Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne
:03:50. > :03:51.did before? It's different because it is involving every single
:03:52. > :03:54.government department, and bringing together everything that government
:03:55. > :03:57.does in a bid to make Britain more competitive as it disengages from
:03:58. > :04:03.the European Union. That is what the last Labour government did. They
:04:04. > :04:07.will much more targeted interventions. Under the Labour
:04:08. > :04:12.government, the auto industry got some benefit. A few more sectors
:04:13. > :04:16.were broached under the coalition government. This is all about
:04:17. > :04:21.communities all over the country, some of whom have fallen behind in
:04:22. > :04:27.terms of wage growth and good jobs. The Prime Minister has already
:04:28. > :04:34.announced 2 billion as a research and development priority in specific
:04:35. > :04:38.technologies, robotics, artificial intelligence, medical technology,
:04:39. > :04:43.satellites... So you are doing what has been done before. There is
:04:44. > :04:48.nothing new about this. Wait until tomorrow, because there will be some
:04:49. > :04:51.new strands emerging. It is the beginning of the dialogue with
:04:52. > :04:58.industry and with workers, and the responses will be invited up until
:04:59. > :05:03.April. That will inform a wider strategy that goes beyond skills. I
:05:04. > :05:08.have moved on to beyond them. I'm slightly puzzled as to how the
:05:09. > :05:14.government knows where to invest in robotics, when it can't even provide
:05:15. > :05:19.the NHS with a decent IT system. Discuss. I have to say I find it
:05:20. > :05:22.bizarre that the government is making an announcement about an
:05:23. > :05:27.amount of money and don't know where it's going. This is typical of all
:05:28. > :05:33.governments over all political shoes, which is total disregard for
:05:34. > :05:41.technical education, so different from Germany, who actually invest in
:05:42. > :05:47.the technological side. Germany has a long history. We want to emulate
:05:48. > :05:52.some of the best of what German companies do. Siemens sponsor
:05:53. > :05:58.primary schools, for example. We want to get a dialogue on with
:05:59. > :06:03.business. We don't want to decide where this money is going. By the
:06:04. > :06:08.way, it was 4.7 billion that the government has agreed to invest in
:06:09. > :06:12.science and research, which is the most significant increase in
:06:13. > :06:16.decades. Can you remind us what happened in Northern Ireland, when
:06:17. > :06:20.the government invested money in state-of-the-art technology for
:06:21. > :06:27.energy? No one needs to be reminded of that, and that is not what we are
:06:28. > :06:32.doing. We are inviting business and industry to advise where that money
:06:33. > :06:38.is best spent. That's very different from government deciding that a
:06:39. > :06:43.particular technology is for the future. The government's chief
:06:44. > :06:48.scientific adviser has determined that we will invest a huge amount in
:06:49. > :06:53.battery technology, which should benefit the electric car industry,
:06:54. > :07:00.and... This is taxpayers' money. Who gets it? Ultimately, business will
:07:01. > :07:05.get it, but often only when there is a considerable amount of private
:07:06. > :07:13.sector finance also drawn in. But who is held to account? Various
:07:14. > :07:18.government departments at local authorities will hold this list to
:07:19. > :07:24.account. A lot of it is about releasing private capital as well.
:07:25. > :07:32.Thank you very much. This week, the Supreme Court, I think we know the
:07:33. > :07:36.ruling is coming on Tuesday. And the expectation is that the judges will
:07:37. > :07:41.say Parliament will have to vote to trigger. Is this all much ado about
:07:42. > :07:45.nothing? Parliament will vote to trigger, and the government will win
:07:46. > :07:49.in the Lords and the Commons by substantial majorities, and it will
:07:50. > :07:54.be triggered? Completely. We've known that. Parliament is voted.
:07:55. > :07:58.Everyone is pretty confident that the Supreme Court will uphold the
:07:59. > :08:07.High Court's decision and say it has to go to MPs. There will be a bit of
:08:08. > :08:12.toing and froing among MPs on amendments. You heard Diane Abbott's
:08:13. > :08:16.slightly car crash interview there. The Lib Dems may throw something in,
:08:17. > :08:23.but we will trigger Article 50 by the end of March. If it also says
:08:24. > :08:28.that the roll of Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast should be picked up,
:08:29. > :08:32.that could complicate matters. Absolutely. That could delay the
:08:33. > :08:37.planned triggering of Article 50 before the end of March. Not what
:08:38. > :08:42.they say about the Westminster Parliament, because it is clear that
:08:43. > :08:47.it was. I never understood the furore about that original judgment,
:08:48. > :08:51.because every MP made it clear they wouldn't block it. Even though Diane
:08:52. > :08:57.Abbott was evasive on several fronts, she said they wouldn't block
:08:58. > :09:01.it. You are right, if they give a vote, or give some authorisation for
:09:02. > :09:06.the Scottish Parliament and other devolved assemblies, that might
:09:07. > :09:12.delay the whole sequence. That is the only significant thing to watch
:09:13. > :09:17.out for. Watch out on Tuesday. Mrs May goes to Washington. It will be
:09:18. > :09:22.another movie in the making! I would suggest that she has a tricky line
:09:23. > :09:27.to follow. She has got to be seen to be taking advantage of the fact that
:09:28. > :09:32.there is a very pro-British, pro-Brexit president in the Oval
:09:33. > :09:36.Office, who I am told is prepared to expend political capital on this.
:09:37. > :09:49.But on the other hand, to make sure that she is not what we used to call
:09:50. > :09:52.Mr Blair, George Bush's poodle. It is very difficult, and who would not
:09:53. > :09:56.want to be a fly on the wall in that meeting! I can't think of anyone in
:09:57. > :10:01.the world who would despise Mr Trump more than Mrs May, and for him, he
:10:02. > :10:12.dislikes any woman who does not look like a supermodel, no disrespected
:10:13. > :10:15.Mrs May. Most of it is actually anti-EU, and I think we should
:10:16. > :10:20.capitalise it. Let's get the Queen to earn her money, roll out the red
:10:21. > :10:28.carpet, invite him to dinner, spend the night, what ever we need...
:10:29. > :10:32.Trump at Balmoral! Here is the issue, because the agenda is, as we
:10:33. > :10:38.heard from Ted Malloch earlier, that this is not an administration that
:10:39. > :10:41.has much time for the EU, EU integration or Germany. I think
:10:42. > :10:46.Germany will be the second biggest loser to begin with. They will not
:10:47. > :10:54.even give a date for Angela Merkel to meet the president. This is an
:10:55. > :11:03.opportunity for Mrs May... It is a huge. It could sideline talks of the
:11:04. > :11:09.punishment beating from Germany. The Trump presidency has completely
:11:10. > :11:13.changed the field on Brexit. Along came Donald Trump, and Theresa May
:11:14. > :11:19.has this incredible opportunity here. Not of her making, but she has
:11:20. > :11:24.played her cards well. To an officially be the EU emissary to
:11:25. > :11:29.Washington, to get some sort of broker going. That gives us huge
:11:30. > :11:33.extra leveraged in the Brexit negotiations. People around the
:11:34. > :11:38.world think Germany as a currency manipulator, that it is benefiting
:11:39. > :11:42.from an underpriced euro, hence the huge surplus it runs of America, and
:11:43. > :11:48.they think it is disgraceful that a country that runs a massive budget
:11:49. > :11:53.surplus spends only 1.2% of its GDP on defence, and America runs a
:11:54. > :11:59.massive deficit and needs to spend a lot more. He's going for Germany.
:12:00. > :12:04.And what a massive shift. I think Obama was quite open, in a farewell
:12:05. > :12:09.interview, that he felt closer to Merkel than any other European
:12:10. > :12:16.leader. And Jamie kind of reflected that in our discussion. Yes, that's
:12:17. > :12:20.very interesting discussion. I think she was the last person he spoke to
:12:21. > :12:27.in the White House, Obama. And now you are getting the onslaught from
:12:28. > :12:31.Trump. This Thatcher- Reagan imagery is dangerous, though. Blair was
:12:32. > :12:36.hypnotised by it and was too scared to criticise Bush, because he wanted
:12:37. > :12:42.to be seen in that light, and we know where that led. Cameron
:12:43. > :12:45.similarly with Obama, which presented him with problems, as
:12:46. > :12:52.Obama didn't regard him as his number one pin up in Europe. I would
:12:53. > :12:57.put a note of caution in there about the Thatcher - Reagan parallel.
:12:58. > :13:02.Everything Trump is doing now is different from before, so Mrs May
:13:03. > :13:08.should not have any of these previous relationships in her mind.
:13:09. > :13:15.That is not entirely true. Donald Trump aches to be the new Ronald
:13:16. > :13:19.Reagan. He may be impeached first! He sees her as the new Margaret
:13:20. > :13:27.Thatcher, and that may her leveraged with him. Thank you.
:13:28. > :13:32.We'll be back here at the same time next week, and you can catch up
:13:33. > :13:34.on all the latest political news on the Daily Politics,
:13:35. > :13:38.In the meantime, remember - if it's Sunday,
:13:39. > :14:16.It's just pain, but it doesn't feel like pain,
:14:17. > :14:39.it feels much more violent, dark and exciting.
:14:40. > :14:45.Join Michael Buerk as he explores the dishes fit for kings and queens.
:14:46. > :14:49.When it comes to extravagance, few monarchs can compete with George IV.
:14:50. > :14:53.If that was for breakfast, I dread to think what he had for dinner.