:01:26. > :01:27.And on Sunday Politics in Northern And on Sunday Politics in Northern
:01:27. > :01:28.And on Sunday Politics in Northern Ireland: The choice between a shared
:01:28. > :01:29.Ireland: The choice between a shared Ireland: The choice between a shared
:01:29. > :01:30.Ireland: The choice between a shared future and a scared future - the
:01:30. > :01:30.future and a scared future - the future and a scared future - the
:01:30. > :01:31.Alliance Party's Naomi Long explains Alliance Party's Naomi Long explains
:01:31. > :01:32.Alliance Party's Naomi Long explains why she's not interested in the
:01:32. > :01:33.why she's not interested in the politics of fear.
:01:33. > :01:43.politics of fear. politics of fear.
:01:43. > :01:43.
:01:43. > :38:17.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2194 seconds
:38:17. > :38:18.Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland.
:38:18. > :38:19.Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland.
:38:19. > :38:20.The Alliance Party has been in the The Alliance Party has been in the
:38:20. > :38:22.The Alliance Party has been in the The Alliance Party has been in the
:38:22. > :38:23.eye of the storm since that vote in eye of the storm since that vote in
:38:23. > :38:25.eye of the storm since that vote in Belfast City Council to fly the
:38:25. > :38:26.Belfast City Council to fly the Belfast City Council to fly the
:38:26. > :38:28.union flag only on designated days. union flag only on designated days.
:38:28. > :38:29.union flag only on designated days. As the party faithful gathered for
:38:29. > :38:31.As the party faithful gathered for As the party faithful gathered for
:38:31. > :38:32.its annual conference, it pledged its annual conference, it pledged
:38:32. > :38:34.its annual conference, it pledged the violence in recent months would
:38:34. > :38:36.the violence in recent months would the violence in recent months would
:38:36. > :38:37.the violence in recent months would not put it off its bind -- stride.
:38:37. > :38:38.not put it off its bind -- stride. not put it off its bind -- stride.
:38:38. > :38:40.In Belfast there was a deliberate In Belfast there was a deliberate
:38:40. > :38:40.In Belfast there was a deliberate In Belfast there was a deliberate
:38:40. > :38:42.campaign to generate fear is a long campaign to generate fear is a long
:38:42. > :38:43.campaign to generate fear is a long loss of identity among those who
:38:43. > :38:44.loss of identity among those who perceive themselves as having
:38:44. > :38:45.perceive themselves as having perceive themselves as having
:38:45. > :38:47.perceive themselves as having nothing left to give, and to go
:38:47. > :38:49.nothing left to give, and to go nothing left to give, and to go
:38:49. > :38:50.after the Alliance Party and its after the Alliance Party and its
:38:50. > :38:51.representatives. The party's deputy representatives. The party's deputy
:38:51. > :38:55.representatives. The party's deputy representatives. The party's deputy
:38:55. > :38:56.leader Naomi Long is my guest today. leader Naomi Long is my guest today.
:38:56. > :38:56.leader Naomi Long is my guest today. leader Naomi Long is my guest today.
:38:57. > :38:57.And with her views on that story, I And with her views on that story, I
:38:57. > :38:58.And with her views on that story, I am also joined by Kate Marshall,
:38:58. > :38:59.am also joined by Kate Marshall, am also joined by Kate Marshall,
:38:59. > :39:02.am also joined by Kate Marshall, chair of group Marshall -- Women In
:39:02. > :39:03.chair of group Marshall -- Women In chair of group Marshall -- Women In
:39:03. > :39:06.Business, and Noel Doran of the Irish News.
:39:06. > :39:07.Irish News. Irish News.
:39:07. > :39:08.Its members have faced death Its members have faced death
:39:08. > :39:11.Its members have faced death threats, homes have been attacked,
:39:11. > :39:12.threats, homes have been attacked, and elected members constituency
:39:12. > :39:19.and elected members constituency and elected members constituency
:39:19. > :39:21.offices have been burnt out. The offices have been burnt out. The
:39:21. > :39:22.offices have been burnt out. The protests that have taken place at
:39:22. > :39:23.protests that have taken place at protests that have taken place at
:39:23. > :39:26.Belfast City Hall dominated the Belfast City Hall dominated the
:39:26. > :39:27.Alliance Party's conference. Alliance Party's conference.
:39:27. > :39:29.Alliance Party's conference. Security was discreet, but still a
:39:29. > :39:30.Security was discreet, but still a Security was discreet, but still a
:39:30. > :39:32.Security was discreet, but still a lot tighter than you usually find at
:39:32. > :39:33.lot tighter than you usually find at lot tighter than you usually find at
:39:33. > :39:34.an Alliance Party conference. We an Alliance Party conference. We
:39:34. > :39:36.an Alliance Party conference. We wondered if the flag protesters
:39:36. > :39:38.wondered if the flag protesters wondered if the flag protesters
:39:38. > :39:40.wondered if the flag protesters would turn up. But no, this was the
:39:40. > :39:42.would turn up. But no, this was the would turn up. But no, this was the
:39:42. > :39:42.angriest face on view. However, angriest face on view. However,
:39:42. > :39:43.angriest face on view. However, reminders of the past three
:39:43. > :39:45.reminders of the past three reminders of the past three
:39:45. > :39:46.traumatic months were not hard to traumatic months were not hard to
:39:46. > :39:47.traumatic months were not hard to find, like this well fast councillor
:39:47. > :39:49.find, like this well fast councillor find, like this well fast councillor
:39:49. > :39:51.find, like this well fast councillor forced from her home by threats.
:39:51. > :39:53.forced from her home by threats. forced from her home by threats.
:39:53. > :39:54.my family friends, it was very my family friends, it was very
:39:54. > :39:55.my family friends, it was very my family friends, it was very
:39:55. > :39:56.trying. It was difficult for them to trying. It was difficult for them to
:39:56. > :39:59.trying. It was difficult for them to trying. It was difficult for them to
:39:59. > :40:01.have read about it in the papers. I have read about it in the papers. I
:40:01. > :40:02.have read about it in the papers. I have read about it in the papers. I
:40:02. > :40:04.had no illusions as to what I was had no illusions as to what I was
:40:04. > :40:05.had no illusions as to what I was letting myself in for. We were
:40:05. > :40:06.letting myself in for. We were letting myself in for. We were
:40:06. > :40:06.always betrayed as sitting on the always betrayed as sitting on the
:40:06. > :40:11.always betrayed as sitting on the always betrayed as sitting on the
:40:11. > :40:12.always betrayed as sitting on the fence, but it is far from it. -- it
:40:12. > :40:13.fence, but it is far from it. -- it fence, but it is far from it. -- it
:40:13. > :40:14.fence, but it is far from it. -- it is far from easy doing that.
:40:14. > :40:16.is far from easy doing that. is far from easy doing that.
:40:16. > :40:17.Alliance Party has come through one Alliance Party has come through one
:40:17. > :40:18.Alliance Party has come through one Alliance Party has come through one
:40:18. > :40:19.of the most difficult periods in its of the most difficult periods in its
:40:19. > :40:21.of the most difficult periods in its history. The feeling today was that
:40:21. > :40:22.history. The feeling today was that history. The feeling today was that
:40:22. > :40:23.it is beginning to weather the it is beginning to weather the
:40:23. > :40:25.it is beginning to weather the spawn. This former Alliance Party
:40:25. > :40:26.spawn. This former Alliance Party spawn. This former Alliance Party
:40:26. > :40:27.leader says controversy is nothing leader says controversy is nothing
:40:27. > :40:28.leader says controversy is nothing leader says controversy is nothing
:40:28. > :40:30.new for the party. I was in the new for the party. I was in the
:40:30. > :40:31.new for the party. I was in the new for the party. I was in the
:40:31. > :40:33.party for 20 years, and it was a party for 20 years, and it was a
:40:33. > :40:34.regular feature of political regular feature of political
:40:34. > :40:36.regular feature of political comment, that when the Alliance
:40:36. > :40:38.comment, that when the Alliance comment, that when the Alliance
:40:38. > :40:40.adopted a strong stance on an adopted a strong stance on an
:40:40. > :40:41.issue, everybody predicted its issue, everybody predicted its
:40:41. > :40:43.issue, everybody predicted its immediate death. That has not
:40:43. > :40:48.immediate death. That has not happened. People respected the
:40:48. > :40:49.happened. People respected the happened. People respected the
:40:49. > :40:50.stance that the Alliance Party took stance that the Alliance Party took
:40:50. > :40:51.stance that the Alliance Party took stance that the Alliance Party took
:40:51. > :40:51.in crises. And they are still here. in crises. And they are still here.
:40:51. > :40:52.in crises. And they are still here. in crises. And they are still here.
:40:52. > :40:53.It was in this room that the DUP It was in this room that the DUP
:40:53. > :40:57.It was in this room that the DUP held its conference just before the
:40:57. > :40:58.held its conference just before the held its conference just before the
:40:58. > :40:59.flag controversy began. For that flag controversy began. For that
:40:59. > :41:00.flag controversy began. For that party, and the Ulster Unionist, they
:41:00. > :41:03.party, and the Ulster Unionist, they party, and the Ulster Unionist, they
:41:03. > :41:03.were partly blamed for what had were partly blamed for what had
:41:03. > :41:06.were partly blamed for what had happened. There is only one
:41:06. > :41:08.happened. There is only one happened. There is only one
:41:08. > :41:09.conclusion. In Belfast, there was a conclusion. In Belfast, there was a
:41:09. > :41:11.deliberate, premeditated campaign to deliberate, premeditated campaign to
:41:11. > :41:12.deliberate, premeditated campaign to whip up tensions, to generate fears
:41:12. > :41:14.whip up tensions, to generate fears whip up tensions, to generate fears
:41:14. > :41:15.among loss of identity among those among loss of identity among those
:41:15. > :41:16.among loss of identity among those who perceive themselves as having
:41:16. > :41:17.who perceive themselves as having who perceive themselves as having
:41:17. > :41:19.who perceive themselves as having nothing left to give, and to go
:41:19. > :41:21.nothing left to give, and to go nothing left to give, and to go
:41:21. > :41:22.after the Alliance Party and its after the Alliance Party and its
:41:23. > :41:24.elected representatives, and elected representatives, and
:41:24. > :41:25.elected representatives, and especially to go after Naomi Long,
:41:25. > :41:26.especially to go after Naomi Long, especially to go after Naomi Long,
:41:26. > :41:28.who wasn't involved in the debate, who wasn't involved in the debate,
:41:28. > :41:30.who wasn't involved in the debate, who wasn't involved in the debate,
:41:30. > :41:31.just to win votes. All of this has just to win votes. All of this has
:41:31. > :41:32.just to win votes. All of this has been about winning votes in East
:41:32. > :41:35.been about winning votes in East been about winning votes in East
:41:35. > :41:36.Belfast. And what of Naomi Long Belfast. And what of Naomi Long
:41:36. > :41:40.Belfast. And what of Naomi Long herself? The word is probably
:41:40. > :41:41.herself? The word is probably herself? The word is probably
:41:41. > :41:43.defiant. Our choice is between a defiant. Our choice is between a
:41:43. > :41:44.defiant. Our choice is between a defiant. Our choice is between a
:41:44. > :41:45.shared future and a scared future. I shared future and a scared future. I
:41:45. > :41:46.shared future and a scared future. I shared future and a scared future. I
:41:46. > :41:49.for one am not interested in the for one am not interested in the
:41:49. > :41:50.for one am not interested in the politics of fear. Alliance has not
:41:50. > :41:51.politics of fear. Alliance has not politics of fear. Alliance has not
:41:51. > :41:54.politics of fear. Alliance has not and will never indulge in that kind
:41:54. > :41:55.and will never indulge in that kind and will never indulge in that kind
:41:55. > :41:56.of politics. There was a surprise of politics. There was a surprise
:41:56. > :41:57.appearance by the parades appearance by the parades
:41:57. > :41:58.appearance by the parades commission, the first time it has
:41:58. > :42:01.commission, the first time it has commission, the first time it has
:42:01. > :42:02.taken a stand at the party taken a stand at the party
:42:02. > :42:03.taken a stand at the party conference. Alliance have been very
:42:03. > :42:04.conference. Alliance have been very conference. Alliance have been very
:42:04. > :42:05.supportive of the commission, yes, supportive of the commission, yes,
:42:05. > :42:07.supportive of the commission, yes, supportive of the commission, yes,
:42:07. > :42:09.but there are lots of other people but there are lots of other people
:42:09. > :42:10.but there are lots of other people here it is worth having a
:42:10. > :42:11.here it is worth having a here it is worth having a
:42:11. > :42:14.conversation with. Will you go to conversation with. Will you go to
:42:14. > :42:15.conversation with. Will you go to other party conferences? Yes, but we
:42:15. > :42:17.other party conferences? Yes, but we other party conferences? Yes, but we
:42:17. > :42:18.other party conferences? Yes, but we cannot go to them all in one year.
:42:18. > :42:19.cannot go to them all in one year. cannot go to them all in one year.
:42:19. > :42:20.cannot go to them all in one year. David Ford says this period has been
:42:20. > :42:21.David Ford says this period has been David Ford says this period has been
:42:21. > :42:23.David Ford says this period has been tough for the party. He says they
:42:23. > :42:24.tough for the party. He says they tough for the party. He says they
:42:24. > :42:25.tough for the party. He says they have come through the fire, if at
:42:25. > :42:28.have come through the fire, if at have come through the fire, if at
:42:28. > :42:29.times a bit too literally. times a bit too literally.
:42:29. > :42:30.times a bit too literally. times a bit too literally.
:42:31. > :42:32.The time for excuses and lay on the The time for excuses and lay on the
:42:32. > :42:33.The time for excuses and lay on the shared future strategy is over. The
:42:33. > :42:35.shared future strategy is over. The shared future strategy is over. The
:42:35. > :42:36.shared future strategy is over. The time for delivery is now. The words
:42:36. > :42:37.time for delivery is now. The words time for delivery is now. The words
:42:37. > :42:39.of the Alliance deputy leader Naomi of the Alliance deputy leader Naomi
:42:39. > :42:40.of the Alliance deputy leader Naomi of the Alliance deputy leader Naomi
:42:40. > :42:42.Long, in her speech to the party Long, in her speech to the party
:42:42. > :42:43.Long, in her speech to the party conference yesterday. She is with me
:42:43. > :42:44.conference yesterday. She is with me conference yesterday. She is with me
:42:44. > :42:45.conference yesterday. She is with me now. How frustrating is it for you
:42:45. > :42:46.now. How frustrating is it for you now. How frustrating is it for you
:42:46. > :42:47.now. How frustrating is it for you that almost 15 years on from the
:42:47. > :42:49.that almost 15 years on from the that almost 15 years on from the
:42:49. > :42:50.signing of the Belfast Agreement, signing of the Belfast Agreement,
:42:50. > :42:51.signing of the Belfast Agreement, signing of the Belfast Agreement,
:42:51. > :42:53.and agreed shared future is still on and agreed shared future is still on
:42:53. > :42:53.and agreed shared future is still on and agreed shared future is still on
:42:54. > :42:54.everyone's to-do list? It is not on everyone's to-do list? It is not on
:42:54. > :42:56.everyone's to-do list? It is not on everyone's to-do list? It is not on
:42:56. > :42:57.our to-do list, and that was one of our to-do list, and that was one of
:42:57. > :42:58.our to-do list, and that was one of the points we were making yesterday
:42:58. > :43:00.the points we were making yesterday the points we were making yesterday
:43:00. > :43:01.at the conference. We were talking at the conference. We were talking
:43:01. > :43:02.at the conference. We were talking about our document for everyone,
:43:02. > :43:03.about our document for everyone, about our document for everyone,
:43:03. > :43:04.about our document for everyone, which sets out where we see an
:43:04. > :43:05.which sets out where we see an which sets out where we see an
:43:05. > :43:06.Executive blueprint can be, and Executive blueprint can be, and
:43:06. > :43:07.Executive blueprint can be, and Executive blueprint can be, and
:43:07. > :43:08.where we think we can bridge the gap where we think we can bridge the gap
:43:08. > :43:09.where we think we can bridge the gap where we think we can bridge the gap
:43:09. > :43:12.between where we are now and where between where we are now and where
:43:12. > :43:13.between where we are now and where between where we are now and where
:43:13. > :43:14.we want to be. We are already making we want to be. We are already making
:43:14. > :43:15.we want to be. We are already making progress, and we are challenging for
:43:15. > :43:16.progress, and we are challenging for progress, and we are challenging for
:43:17. > :43:18.the other parties of the Executive the other parties of the Executive
:43:18. > :43:20.the other parties of the Executive the other parties of the Executive
:43:20. > :43:28.to step up and make this happen. 15 to step up and make this happen. 15
:43:28. > :43:29.to step up and make this happen. 15 to step up and make this happen. 15
:43:29. > :43:30.years on is a long time of wasted years on is a long time of wasted
:43:30. > :43:30.opportunity. The shared future opportunity. The shared future
:43:31. > :43:31.opportunity. The shared future strategy was working. It was
:43:31. > :43:32.strategy was working. It was strategy was working. It was
:43:32. > :43:33.starting to deliver results. It was starting to deliver results. It was
:43:33. > :43:36.starting to deliver results. It was starting to deliver results. It was
:43:36. > :43:36.binned by Sinn Fein and the DUP. binned by Sinn Fein and the DUP.
:43:36. > :43:37.binned by Sinn Fein and the DUP. annoying thing for the Alliance
:43:37. > :43:39.annoying thing for the Alliance annoying thing for the Alliance
:43:39. > :43:40.annoying thing for the Alliance Party is that you are not in the
:43:40. > :43:41.Party is that you are not in the Party is that you are not in the
:43:41. > :43:42.Party is that you are not in the driving seat. It is Sinn Fein and
:43:42. > :43:44.driving seat. It is Sinn Fein and driving seat. It is Sinn Fein and
:43:44. > :43:45.driving seat. It is Sinn Fein and DUP who are setting the pace.
:43:45. > :43:46.DUP who are setting the pace. DUP who are setting the pace.
:43:46. > :43:47.DUP who are setting the pace. are setting the pace in terms of
:43:47. > :43:50.are setting the pace in terms of are setting the pace in terms of
:43:50. > :43:51.when the document is published, but when the document is published, but
:43:51. > :43:53.when the document is published, but we have control into departments. We
:43:53. > :43:54.we have control into departments. We we have control into departments. We
:43:54. > :43:55.we have control into departments. We set out what we could do within the
:43:55. > :43:56.set out what we could do within the set out what we could do within the
:43:56. > :44:00.Department of Justice around things Department of Justice around things
:44:00. > :44:02.Department of Justice around things like community safety. And mobility
:44:02. > :44:03.like community safety. And mobility like community safety. And mobility
:44:03. > :44:05.to work, and people to access to work, and people to access
:44:05. > :44:06.to work, and people to access employment. That is an issue for
:44:06. > :44:07.employment. That is an issue for employment. That is an issue for
:44:07. > :44:09.shared future. Chris Little, your shared future. Chris Little, your
:44:09. > :44:10.representative on the steering representative on the steering
:44:10. > :44:11.representative on the steering representative on the steering
:44:11. > :44:13.group, turned his back on it and group, turned his back on it and
:44:13. > :44:14.group, turned his back on it and walked away. So they are challenging
:44:14. > :44:18.walked away. So they are challenging walked away. So they are challenging
:44:18. > :44:19.your party's commitment to movement your party's commitment to movement
:44:19. > :44:21.your party's commitment to movement on this. That is a ridiculous
:44:21. > :44:21.on this. That is a ridiculous on this. That is a ridiculous
:44:22. > :44:23.comment. To suggest we lack comment. To suggest we lack
:44:23. > :44:24.comment. To suggest we lack commitment is ridiculous. What we
:44:24. > :44:27.commitment is ridiculous. What we commitment is ridiculous. What we
:44:27. > :44:27.have problems with, and why we have problems with, and why we
:44:27. > :44:30.have problems with, and why we didn't continue to participate in,
:44:30. > :44:31.didn't continue to participate in, didn't continue to participate in,
:44:31. > :44:32.didn't continue to participate in, was the fact that the process behind
:44:32. > :44:33.was the fact that the process behind was the fact that the process behind
:44:33. > :44:35.closed doors was not making any closed doors was not making any
:44:35. > :44:37.closed doors was not making any progress on the issues that matter.
:44:37. > :44:38.progress on the issues that matter. progress on the issues that matter.
:44:38. > :44:40.We have seen the issues around We have seen the issues around
:44:40. > :44:42.identity and culture, around identity and culture, around
:44:42. > :44:43.identity and culture, around parading, around how to deal with
:44:43. > :44:45.parading, around how to deal with parading, around how to deal with
:44:45. > :44:46.the pass and its legacy. Those the pass and its legacy. Those
:44:46. > :44:49.the pass and its legacy. Those issues were being sidestepped in the
:44:49. > :44:51.issues were being sidestepped in the issues were being sidestepped in the
:44:51. > :44:52.steering group. We are about real, steering group. We are about real,
:44:52. > :44:54.steering group. We are about real, substantive progress for the people
:44:54. > :44:55.substantive progress for the people substantive progress for the people
:44:55. > :44:56.of Northern Ireland. When you speak of Northern Ireland. When you speak
:44:56. > :44:58.of Northern Ireland. When you speak to those other parties, particularly
:44:58. > :44:59.to those other parties, particularly to those other parties, particularly
:44:59. > :45:00.to those other parties, particularly Sinn Fein and the DUP, they say that
:45:00. > :45:00.Sinn Fein and the DUP, they say that Sinn Fein and the DUP, they say that
:45:00. > :45:02.Sinn Fein and the DUP, they say that you talk the talk but you don't walk
:45:02. > :45:04.you talk the talk but you don't walk you talk the talk but you don't walk
:45:04. > :45:05.you talk the talk but you don't walk the walk. You did turn your back on
:45:05. > :45:06.the walk. You did turn your back on the walk. You did turn your back on
:45:06. > :45:07.the walk. You did turn your back on the steering group. They say you are
:45:07. > :45:08.the steering group. They say you are the steering group. They say you are
:45:08. > :45:09.the steering group. They say you are trying to slow down the process by
:45:09. > :45:12.trying to slow down the process by trying to slow down the process by
:45:12. > :45:13.broadening it out into this notion broadening it out into this notion
:45:13. > :45:14.broadening it out into this notion of a partnership with civic society.
:45:14. > :45:15.of a partnership with civic society. of a partnership with civic society.
:45:15. > :45:16.If you were serious about progress If you were serious about progress
:45:16. > :45:17.If you were serious about progress If you were serious about progress
:45:17. > :45:19.on this, you would be in the on this, you would be in the
:45:19. > :45:20.on this, you would be in the steering group, not trying to bring
:45:20. > :45:22.steering group, not trying to bring steering group, not trying to bring
:45:22. > :45:24.on more groups and organisations. on more groups and organisations.
:45:24. > :45:25.on more groups and organisations. were in the steering group. Our
:45:25. > :45:30.were in the steering group. Our were in the steering group. Our
:45:30. > :45:32.position in the steering group was position in the steering group was
:45:32. > :45:34.misrepresentative -- misrepresented. misrepresentative -- misrepresented.
:45:34. > :45:35.misrepresentative -- misrepresented. misrepresentative -- misrepresented.
:45:35. > :45:37.The party was not tackling the key The party was not tackling the key
:45:37. > :45:38.The party was not tackling the key The party was not tackling the key
:45:38. > :45:39.issues. To say that this live with issues. To say that this live with
:45:39. > :45:41.issues. To say that this live with political parties is a nonsense. If
:45:41. > :45:42.political parties is a nonsense. If political parties is a nonsense. If
:45:42. > :45:46.political parties is a nonsense. If we want a shared future, it has to
:45:46. > :45:46.we want a shared future, it has to we want a shared future, it has to
:45:46. > :45:48.engage civic society. As the leader engage civic society. As the leader
:45:48. > :45:51.engage civic society. As the leader in the Department of Justice, the
:45:51. > :45:52.in the Department of Justice, the in the Department of Justice, the
:45:52. > :45:53.in the Department of Justice, the leader is able to give director ship
:45:53. > :45:54.leader is able to give director ship leader is able to give director ship
:45:54. > :45:55.leader is able to give director ship and support, but that has to come
:45:55. > :45:56.and support, but that has to come and support, but that has to come
:45:56. > :45:57.and support, but that has to come from the local community. It has to
:45:57. > :45:58.from the local community. It has to from the local community. It has to
:45:58. > :45:59.from the local community. It has to be something that is working on the
:45:59. > :46:00.be something that is working on the be something that is working on the
:46:00. > :46:02.be something that is working on the ground. We have set out a plan of
:46:02. > :46:04.ground. We have set out a plan of ground. We have set out a plan of
:46:04. > :46:05.ground. We have set out a plan of how we get from where we are now,
:46:05. > :46:06.how we get from where we are now, how we get from where we are now,
:46:06. > :46:07.how we get from where we are now, without any kind of policy for the
:46:07. > :46:08.without any kind of policy for the without any kind of policy for the
:46:08. > :46:09.without any kind of policy for the Executive, to where we could be to
:46:09. > :46:11.Executive, to where we could be to Executive, to where we could be to
:46:11. > :46:12.where we have that policy and where we have that policy and
:46:12. > :46:13.where we have that policy and engagement. If they want to
:46:13. > :46:15.engagement. If they want to engagement. If they want to
:46:15. > :46:15.criticise us, fine. But let's see criticise us, fine. But let's see
:46:15. > :46:16.criticise us, fine. But let's see criticise us, fine. But let's see
:46:16. > :46:19.the colour of their money. They have the colour of their money. They have
:46:19. > :46:20.the colour of their money. They have the colour of their money. They have
:46:20. > :46:21.the colour of their money. They have had six years to rid -- to produce a
:46:21. > :46:27.had six years to rid -- to produce a had six years to rid -- to produce a
:46:27. > :46:27.replacement policy, and they have replacement policy, and they have
:46:27. > :46:29.replacement policy, and they have failed. This flag controversy is
:46:29. > :46:35.failed. This flag controversy is failed. This flag controversy is
:46:35. > :46:40.said to be deliberately whipped up said to be deliberately whipped up
:46:40. > :46:41.said to be deliberately whipped up said to be deliberately whipped up
:46:41. > :46:42.by your party's opponents to whip up by your party's opponents to whip up
:46:42. > :46:47.bad feeling, specifically directed bad feeling, specifically directed
:46:47. > :46:48.bad feeling, specifically directed bad feeling, specifically directed
:46:48. > :46:49.at you and your party. We are at you and your party. We are
:46:49. > :46:50.at you and your party. We are at you and your party. We are
:46:50. > :46:51.waiting for an explanation as to why waiting for an explanation as to why
:46:51. > :46:53.waiting for an explanation as to why waiting for an explanation as to why
:46:53. > :46:54.my name appeared on a leaflet that my name appeared on a leaflet that
:46:54. > :46:55.my name appeared on a leaflet that my name appeared on a leaflet that
:46:55. > :46:57.was distributed when I am not a was distributed when I am not a
:46:58. > :46:59.was distributed when I am not a Belfast city councillor. For the
:46:59. > :47:00.Belfast city councillor. For the Belfast city councillor. For the
:47:00. > :47:01.Belfast city councillor. For the meantime, we can only issue that the
:47:01. > :47:04.meantime, we can only issue that the meantime, we can only issue that the
:47:04. > :47:05.targeting of me in that situation targeting of me in that situation
:47:05. > :47:06.targeting of me in that situation targeting of me in that situation
:47:06. > :47:07.was purely about the loss of the was purely about the loss of the
:47:07. > :47:10.was purely about the loss of the was purely about the loss of the
:47:10. > :47:11.seat of the Alliance Party at the seat of the Alliance Party at the
:47:11. > :47:12.seat of the Alliance Party at the seat of the Alliance Party at the
:47:12. > :47:13.last election. I think there is a last election. I think there is a
:47:13. > :47:14.last election. I think there is a degree of residence within the
:47:14. > :47:15.degree of residence within the degree of residence within the
:47:15. > :47:17.degree of residence within the community that that is what this has
:47:17. > :47:18.community that that is what this has community that that is what this has
:47:18. > :47:19.been about. Just briefly, are you been about. Just briefly, are you
:47:19. > :47:20.been about. Just briefly, are you heartened to hear from Peter
:47:20. > :47:20.heartened to hear from Peter heartened to hear from Peter
:47:20. > :47:22.heartened to hear from Peter Robinson, who is quoted today on the
:47:22. > :47:25.Robinson, who is quoted today on the Robinson, who is quoted today on the
:47:25. > :47:26.radio as saying that several working radio as saying that several working
:47:26. > :47:27.radio as saying that several working radio as saying that several working
:47:27. > :47:28.groups have been set up by the groups have been set up by the
:47:28. > :47:29.groups have been set up by the Unionist Forum -- the Unionist Forum
:47:29. > :47:31.Unionist Forum -- the Unionist Forum Unionist Forum -- the Unionist Forum
:47:31. > :47:32.Unionist Forum -- the Unionist Forum Unionist Forum -- the Unionist Forum
:47:32. > :47:33.to set out how to deal with this. to set out how to deal with this.
:47:33. > :47:34.to set out how to deal with this. to set out how to deal with this.
:47:34. > :47:35.think it is too little too late. think it is too little too late.
:47:35. > :47:36.think it is too little too late. think it is too little too late.
:47:36. > :47:37.This issue has been on the agenda This issue has been on the agenda
:47:37. > :47:39.This issue has been on the agenda This issue has been on the agenda
:47:39. > :47:40.for ten years, and there has been no for ten years, and there has been no
:47:40. > :47:41.for ten years, and there has been no progress. The time for the
:47:41. > :47:42.progress. The time for the progress. The time for the
:47:42. > :47:47.discussion over the flags issue in discussion over the flags issue in
:47:47. > :47:48.discussion over the flags issue in Belfast was ten years ago. Let's
:47:48. > :47:50.Belfast was ten years ago. Let's talk about realignment with
:47:50. > :47:51.talk about realignment with talk about realignment with
:47:52. > :47:56.unionism. How threatened are you at unionism. How threatened are you at
:47:56. > :47:57.unionism. How threatened are you at the establishment of a new liberal
:47:57. > :47:57.the establishment of a new liberal the establishment of a new liberal
:47:57. > :48:01.progressive liberalist party led by progressive liberalist party led by
:48:01. > :48:03.progressive liberalist party led by Basil McCrea and John McCallister?
:48:03. > :48:03.Basil McCrea and John McCallister? Basil McCrea and John McCallister?
:48:03. > :48:07.Our priority is to realign the Our priority is to realign the
:48:07. > :48:07.Northern Ireland political Northern Ireland political
:48:07. > :48:08.Northern Ireland political conversation. But some unionists who
:48:08. > :48:10.conversation. But some unionists who conversation. But some unionists who
:48:10. > :48:11.support the alliance might go back support the alliance might go back
:48:11. > :48:14.support the alliance might go back support the alliance might go back
:48:14. > :48:15.to a big new Unionist party? Our job to a big new Unionist party? Our job
:48:15. > :48:16.to a big new Unionist party? Our job is to align politics around our
:48:16. > :48:18.is to align politics around our is to align politics around our
:48:18. > :48:20.is to align politics around our agenda. That is not a realignment. A
:48:20. > :48:21.agenda. That is not a realignment. A agenda. That is not a realignment. A
:48:21. > :48:23.realignment has been tried before. realignment has been tried before.
:48:23. > :48:24.realignment has been tried before. We have had multiple parties, and
:48:24. > :48:27.We have had multiple parties, and We have had multiple parties, and
:48:27. > :48:28.history is littered with Unionist history is littered with Unionist
:48:28. > :48:30.history is littered with Unionist parties that have tried to realign
:48:30. > :48:32.parties that have tried to realign parties that have tried to realign
:48:32. > :48:33.unionism, and have failed to achieve unionism, and have failed to achieve
:48:33. > :48:34.unionism, and have failed to achieve unionism, and have failed to achieve
:48:34. > :48:35.that end. We are focused on trying that end. We are focused on trying
:48:35. > :48:41.that end. We are focused on trying to realign the policies and the
:48:41. > :48:42.to realign the policies and the to realign the policies and the
:48:42. > :48:44.practices in Northern Ireland, to practices in Northern Ireland, to
:48:44. > :48:45.practices in Northern Ireland, to deliver for everyone. You are
:48:45. > :48:46.deliver for everyone. You are deliver for everyone. You are
:48:46. > :48:47.pleased you are speaking with one pleased you are speaking with one
:48:47. > :48:49.pleased you are speaking with one pleased you are speaking with one
:48:49. > :48:50.voice on flags and other issues. But voice on flags and other issues. But
:48:50. > :48:52.voice on flags and other issues. But there are issues that divide the
:48:52. > :48:53.there are issues that divide the there are issues that divide the
:48:53. > :48:55.Alliance Party, Mike for abortion Alliance Party, Mike for abortion
:48:55. > :48:56.Alliance Party, Mike for abortion Alliance Party, Mike for abortion
:48:56. > :48:58.and gay marriage. Some of you do not and gay marriage. Some of you do not
:48:58. > :49:00.and gay marriage. Some of you do not and gay marriage. Some of you do not
:49:00. > :49:00.agree on the way forward. On the agree on the way forward. On the
:49:00. > :49:01.agree on the way forward. On the agree on the way forward. On the
:49:01. > :49:03.issue of abortion, it is not unusual issue of abortion, it is not unusual
:49:03. > :49:04.issue of abortion, it is not unusual issue of abortion, it is not unusual
:49:04. > :49:05.for a party to take the position for a party to take the position
:49:05. > :49:06.for a party to take the position that this is a matter of
:49:06. > :49:08.that this is a matter of that this is a matter of
:49:08. > :49:10.conscience. I have a particular view conscience. I have a particular view
:49:10. > :49:13.conscience. I have a particular view in my conscience about abortion, and
:49:13. > :49:14.in my conscience about abortion, and in my conscience about abortion, and
:49:14. > :49:15.others may not share that view. others may not share that view.
:49:15. > :49:15.others may not share that view. There is no division within the
:49:15. > :49:16.There is no division within the There is no division within the
:49:16. > :49:17.There is no division within the party. A lot of parties would take
:49:17. > :49:18.party. A lot of parties would take party. A lot of parties would take
:49:18. > :49:19.party. A lot of parties would take the same view. On gay marriage, we
:49:19. > :49:20.the same view. On gay marriage, we the same view. On gay marriage, we
:49:20. > :49:22.the same view. On gay marriage, we have a strong policy, and that has
:49:22. > :49:23.have a strong policy, and that has have a strong policy, and that has
:49:23. > :49:25.been represented by the vast been represented by the vast
:49:25. > :49:25.been represented by the vast been represented by the vast
:49:25. > :49:26.majority of people in the party. majority of people in the party.
:49:26. > :49:27.majority of people in the party. majority of people in the party.
:49:27. > :49:31.one man has voted against it. We one man has voted against it. We
:49:31. > :49:31.one man has voted against it. We one man has voted against it. We
:49:31. > :49:33.accept that there will be those who accept that there will be those who
:49:33. > :49:34.have a different view. have a different view.
:49:34. > :49:37.have a different view. have a different view.
:49:37. > :49:38.Let's bring my two guests in now. Let's bring my two guests in now.
:49:38. > :49:40.Let's bring my two guests in now. Let's bring my two guests in now.
:49:40. > :49:41.Kate Marshall is the chair of Women Kate Marshall is the chair of Women
:49:41. > :49:42.Kate Marshall is the chair of Women Kate Marshall is the chair of Women
:49:42. > :49:46.In Business. Noel Doran is here from In Business. Noel Doran is here from
:49:46. > :49:46.In Business. Noel Doran is here from In Business. Noel Doran is here from
:49:46. > :49:48.the Irish News. No punches pulled in the Irish News. No punches pulled in
:49:48. > :49:48.the Irish News. No punches pulled in the Irish News. No punches pulled in
:49:48. > :49:50.some of the comments made about the some of the comments made about the
:49:50. > :49:51.some of the comments made about the flags dispute. Do you think the
:49:51. > :49:54.flags dispute. Do you think the flags dispute. Do you think the
:49:54. > :49:55.alliance is whether that storm? alliance is whether that storm?
:49:55. > :49:56.alliance is whether that storm? reflected on an interview I heard
:49:56. > :49:58.reflected on an interview I heard reflected on an interview I heard
:49:58. > :49:59.with a leading loyalist in East with a leading loyalist in East
:49:59. > :50:00.with a leading loyalist in East Belfast, who was able to declare
:50:00. > :50:01.Belfast, who was able to declare Belfast, who was able to declare
:50:01. > :50:02.with certainty that Naomi Long would with certainty that Naomi Long would
:50:02. > :50:05.with certainty that Naomi Long would with certainty that Naomi Long would
:50:05. > :50:06.not be the next MP for the not be the next MP for the
:50:06. > :50:06.not be the next MP for the not be the next MP for the
:50:06. > :50:08.constituency. He was not a member of constituency. He was not a member of
:50:08. > :50:09.constituency. He was not a member of constituency. He was not a member of
:50:09. > :50:11.the altar unionists or the DUP, but the altar unionists or the DUP, but
:50:11. > :50:12.the altar unionists or the DUP, but the altar unionists or the DUP, but
:50:12. > :50:14.he was able to say what those two he was able to say what those two
:50:14. > :50:14.he was able to say what those two he was able to say what those two
:50:14. > :50:15.parties would be doing. That is not parties would be doing. That is not
:50:15. > :50:19.parties would be doing. That is not parties would be doing. That is not
:50:19. > :50:20.a positive sign in this part of the a positive sign in this part of the
:50:20. > :50:20.a positive sign in this part of the a positive sign in this part of the
:50:20. > :50:22.world. Maybe we will hear from Naomi world. Maybe we will hear from Naomi
:50:22. > :50:23.world. Maybe we will hear from Naomi world. Maybe we will hear from Naomi
:50:23. > :50:26.in a moment about that. But your in a moment about that. But your
:50:26. > :50:28.in a moment about that. But your in a moment about that. But your
:50:28. > :50:29.view is set -- certain sections of view is set -- certain sections of
:50:29. > :50:30.view is set -- certain sections of the community gave their view to
:50:30. > :50:32.the community gave their view to the community gave their view to
:50:32. > :50:35.Naomi because they were not happy Naomi because they were not happy
:50:35. > :50:36.Naomi because they were not happy Naomi because they were not happy
:50:36. > :50:37.with the DUP. Alliance have had a with the DUP. Alliance have had a
:50:37. > :50:39.with the DUP. Alliance have had a remarkable period over the last few
:50:39. > :50:40.remarkable period over the last few remarkable period over the last few
:50:40. > :50:43.years, but eight ultras period over years, but eight ultras period over
:50:43. > :50:44.years, but eight ultras period over the last three months. The pressure
:50:44. > :50:45.the last three months. The pressure the last three months. The pressure
:50:45. > :50:46.the last three months. The pressure has been on. It is not a healthy
:50:46. > :50:47.has been on. It is not a healthy has been on. It is not a healthy
:50:47. > :50:48.sign for politics in Northern sign for politics in Northern
:50:48. > :50:49.sign for politics in Northern Ireland that something like that can
:50:49. > :50:51.Ireland that something like that can Ireland that something like that can
:50:51. > :50:52.Ireland that something like that can happen in this day and age. I am
:50:52. > :50:53.happen in this day and age. I am happen in this day and age. I am
:50:54. > :50:56.talking about attacks on homes and talking about attacks on homes and
:50:56. > :50:57.intimidation of elected intimidation of elected
:50:57. > :50:58.representatives. Kate Marshall, the representatives. Kate Marshall, the
:50:58. > :51:00.representatives. Kate Marshall, the Alliance Party has made much about
:51:00. > :51:00.Alliance Party has made much about Alliance Party has made much about
:51:00. > :51:03.the need for this partnership the need for this partnership
:51:03. > :51:07.between politicians and civic between politicians and civic
:51:07. > :51:08.between politicians and civic between politicians and civic
:51:08. > :51:09.society. Do you agree that that is a society. Do you agree that that is a
:51:09. > :51:13.society. Do you agree that that is a coalition that needs to be worked
:51:13. > :51:14.coalition that needs to be worked coalition that needs to be worked
:51:14. > :51:15.out? Absolutely. The closer the out? Absolutely. The closer the
:51:16. > :51:16.links between business and links between business and
:51:16. > :51:17.links between business and politicians and society, that must
:51:17. > :51:20.politicians and society, that must politicians and society, that must
:51:20. > :51:22.politicians and society, that must be for all our good. That is beyond
:51:22. > :51:24.be for all our good. That is beyond be for all our good. That is beyond
:51:24. > :51:25.party politics, is it? Absolutely. party politics, is it? Absolutely.
:51:25. > :51:26.party politics, is it? Absolutely. party politics, is it? Absolutely.
:51:26. > :51:27.If you think about society and how If you think about society and how
:51:27. > :51:28.If you think about society and how If you think about society and how
:51:28. > :51:30.we have all moved in the last few we have all moved in the last few
:51:30. > :51:32.we have all moved in the last few we have all moved in the last few
:51:32. > :51:32.years, it is all about being more years, it is all about being more
:51:32. > :51:36.collaborative, about working collaborative, about working
:51:36. > :51:37.collaborative, about working together to create a better future.
:51:37. > :51:40.together to create a better future. together to create a better future.
:51:40. > :51:41.When you hear from representatives When you hear from representatives
:51:41. > :51:44.When you hear from representatives of some of the parties, particularly
:51:44. > :51:45.of some of the parties, particularly of some of the parties, particularly
:51:45. > :51:47.of some of the parties, particularly the DUP, their line on it is that
:51:47. > :51:48.the DUP, their line on it is that civic society will exercise
:51:48. > :51:49.civic society will exercise politicians to make these
:51:49. > :51:51.politicians to make these politicians to make these
:51:51. > :51:52.politicians to make these decisions. We don't need to go back
:51:52. > :51:53.decisions. We don't need to go back and rethink everything with
:51:53. > :51:54.and rethink everything with and rethink everything with
:51:54. > :51:56.everybody and society. We are paid everybody and society. We are paid
:51:56. > :51:58.everybody and society. We are paid everybody and society. We are paid
:51:58. > :51:59.to move things like this forward. to move things like this forward.
:51:59. > :52:01.to move things like this forward. to move things like this forward.
:52:01. > :52:02.is so, but you cannot do things in is so, but you cannot do things in
:52:02. > :52:04.is so, but you cannot do things in isolation. You have to keep
:52:04. > :52:05.isolation. You have to keep communicating and involving people
:52:05. > :52:06.communicating and involving people communicating and involving people
:52:06. > :52:09.in the decisions, otherwise they in the decisions, otherwise they
:52:09. > :52:10.in the decisions, otherwise they feel left out, and obviously what
:52:10. > :52:13.feel left out, and obviously what feel left out, and obviously what
:52:13. > :52:14.happens then is disillusionment and happens then is disillusionment and
:52:14. > :52:16.happens then is disillusionment and disengagement. On that broader issue
:52:16. > :52:18.disengagement. On that broader issue of the relationship between
:52:18. > :52:19.of the relationship between of the relationship between
:52:19. > :52:20.politicians and civic society, it's politicians and civic society, it's
:52:20. > :52:22.not necessarily the healthiest not necessarily the healthiest
:52:22. > :52:24.not necessarily the healthiest relationship we have in Northern
:52:24. > :52:25.relationship we have in Northern relationship we have in Northern
:52:25. > :52:26.relationship we have in Northern Ireland? Clearly not. We all have to
:52:26. > :52:28.Ireland? Clearly not. We all have to Ireland? Clearly not. We all have to
:52:28. > :52:29.Ireland? Clearly not. We all have to be aware of progress on the strategy
:52:29. > :52:31.be aware of progress on the strategy be aware of progress on the strategy
:52:31. > :52:32.of living together. The anger that of living together. The anger that
:52:32. > :52:33.of living together. The anger that David Ford felt was clear
:52:33. > :52:34.David Ford felt was clear David Ford felt was clear
:52:34. > :52:36.yesterday, but it is a yesterday, but it is a
:52:36. > :52:37.yesterday, but it is a contradiction. His party does hold
:52:37. > :52:39.contradiction. His party does hold contradiction. His party does hold
:52:39. > :52:40.contradiction. His party does hold two seats in the Executive, and that
:52:40. > :52:41.two seats in the Executive, and that two seats in the Executive, and that
:52:41. > :52:46.two seats in the Executive, and that is twice what they are allowed in
:52:46. > :52:48.is twice what they are allowed in is twice what they are allowed in
:52:48. > :52:49.elective terms. Namely, to pick up elective terms. Namely, to pick up
:52:49. > :52:52.elective terms. Namely, to pick up on what Noel was talking about
:52:52. > :52:53.on what Noel was talking about on what Noel was talking about
:52:53. > :52:56.there. There are doom and gloom there. There are doom and gloom
:52:56. > :52:57.there. There are doom and gloom merchants predicting that you have
:52:57. > :52:59.merchants predicting that you have merchants predicting that you have
:52:59. > :53:00.merchants predicting that you have had -- you will have a tougher time
:53:00. > :53:01.had -- you will have a tougher time had -- you will have a tougher time
:53:01. > :53:04.had -- you will have a tougher time in 2015 when you are running a
:53:04. > :53:04.in 2015 when you are running a in 2015 when you are running a
:53:04. > :53:05.in 2015 when you are running a game. The votes that you got from
:53:05. > :53:06.game. The votes that you got from game. The votes that you got from
:53:06. > :53:13.unionists in East Belfast will not unionists in East Belfast will not
:53:13. > :53:14.unionists in East Belfast will not unionists in East Belfast will not
:53:14. > :53:14.be there the second time round. be there the second time round.
:53:15. > :53:15.be there the second time round. terms... Of course there are
:53:15. > :53:17.terms... Of course there are terms... Of course there are
:53:17. > :53:18.limitations when you are in charge limitations when you are in charge
:53:18. > :53:20.limitations when you are in charge limitations when you are in charge
:53:20. > :53:22.of an Executive like ours. It is a of an Executive like ours. It is a
:53:22. > :53:24.of an Executive like ours. It is a of an Executive like ours. It is a
:53:24. > :53:26.small party of two. But we have made small party of two. But we have made
:53:26. > :53:27.small party of two. But we have made small party of two. But we have made
:53:27. > :53:29.a real impact, and have been able to a real impact, and have been able to
:53:29. > :53:30.demonstrate what an alliance demonstrate what an alliance
:53:30. > :53:32.demonstrate what an alliance government would look like. That is
:53:32. > :53:33.government would look like. That is government would look like. That is
:53:33. > :53:36.important. In terms of the election important. In terms of the election
:53:36. > :53:37.important. In terms of the election important. In terms of the election
:53:37. > :53:39.in East Belfast, it is too early to in East Belfast, it is too early to
:53:39. > :53:40.in East Belfast, it is too early to predict anything. Until 2008, nobody
:53:40. > :53:41.predict anything. Until 2008, nobody predict anything. Until 2008, nobody
:53:41. > :53:42.would have even predicted that I would have even predicted that I
:53:42. > :53:43.would have even predicted that I would be runner-up in the election
:53:43. > :53:45.would be runner-up in the election would be runner-up in the election
:53:45. > :53:46.would be runner-up in the election would be runner-up in the election
:53:46. > :53:47.in 2010. It is up to me to do the in 2010. It is up to me to do the
:53:47. > :53:48.in 2010. It is up to me to do the in 2010. It is up to me to do the
:53:48. > :53:50.in 2010. It is up to me to do the job to the best of my ability. It is
:53:50. > :53:51.job to the best of my ability. It is job to the best of my ability. It is
:53:51. > :53:52.job to the best of my ability. It is up to the voters. We had the birth
:53:52. > :53:53.up to the voters. We had the birth up to the voters. We had the birth
:53:53. > :53:54.up to the voters. We had the birth of a new political party this week,
:53:54. > :53:55.of a new political party this week, of a new political party this week,
:53:55. > :53:56.of a new political party this week, of a new political party this week,
:53:56. > :53:58.and they call for an old one to pull and they call for an old one to pull
:53:58. > :53:59.and they call for an old one to pull and they call for an old one to pull
:53:59. > :54:04.out of the Executive. It is all in out of the Executive. It is all in
:54:04. > :54:06.out of the Executive. It is all in The Week In 60 Seconds.
:54:06. > :54:07.The Week In 60 Seconds. The Week In 60 Seconds.
:54:07. > :54:08.Sinn Fein made history by appearing Sinn Fein made history by appearing
:54:08. > :54:09.Sinn Fein made history by appearing before visiting MPs, but they didn't
:54:09. > :54:12.before visiting MPs, but they didn't before visiting MPs, but they didn't
:54:12. > :54:13.before visiting MPs, but they didn't turn up when mid Ulster was debated.
:54:13. > :54:14.turn up when mid Ulster was debated. turn up when mid Ulster was debated.
:54:14. > :54:17.They and the Unionist unity They and the Unionist unity
:54:17. > :54:18.They and the Unionist unity candidate stayed away. TUC leader
:54:18. > :54:23.candidate stayed away. TUC leader candidate stayed away. TUC leader
:54:23. > :54:29.candidate stayed away. TUC leader sought help from an old foe. You are
:54:29. > :54:30.sought help from an old foe. You are sought help from an old foe. You are
:54:30. > :54:31.sought help from an old foe. You are my MP. The SDLP were urged to leave
:54:31. > :54:32.my MP. The SDLP were urged to leave my MP. The SDLP were urged to leave
:54:32. > :54:33.the Executive. I would personally the Executive. I would personally
:54:33. > :54:33.the Executive. I would personally the Executive. I would personally
:54:33. > :54:36.believe that the best thing for us believe that the best thing for us
:54:36. > :54:37.believe that the best thing for us believe that the best thing for us
:54:37. > :54:39.believe that the best thing for us to do is to pull out, and be free to
:54:39. > :54:40.to do is to pull out, and be free to to do is to pull out, and be free to
:54:40. > :54:41.to do is to pull out, and be free to be a real opposition. Basil and John
:54:41. > :54:42.be a real opposition. Basil and John be a real opposition. Basil and John
:54:42. > :54:45.be a real opposition. Basil and John stepped out together to reveal a new
:54:45. > :54:45.stepped out together to reveal a new stepped out together to reveal a new
:54:45. > :54:46.stepped out together to reveal a new party, with no name. We don't think
:54:46. > :54:50.party, with no name. We don't think party, with no name. We don't think
:54:50. > :54:51.party, with no name. We don't think we need to wave flags to provide the
:54:51. > :54:52.we need to wave flags to provide the leadership than Northern Ireland
:54:52. > :54:54.leadership than Northern Ireland leadership than Northern Ireland
:54:54. > :54:56.needs. And Sinn Fein showed they needs. And Sinn Fein showed they
:54:56. > :54:59.needs. And Sinn Fein showed they personally believe in a shared
:54:59. > :55:09.personally believe in a shared personally believe in a shared
:55:09. > :55:13.
:55:13. > :55:14.He's the former Ulster Unionist MLA He's the former Ulster Unionist MLA
:55:14. > :55:15.turned Independent, who recently turned Independent, who recently
:55:15. > :55:17.turned Independent, who recently turned Independent, who recently
:55:17. > :55:18.said the time was right for the said the time was right for the
:55:18. > :55:22.said the time was right for the creation of a new, more moderate
:55:22. > :55:23.creation of a new, more moderate creation of a new, more moderate
:55:23. > :55:24.Unionist party. That David McClarty Unionist party. That David McClarty
:55:24. > :55:25.Unionist party. That David McClarty Unionist party. That David McClarty
:55:25. > :55:26.said he will not be joining the said he will not be joining the
:55:26. > :55:28.said he will not be joining the said he will not be joining the
:55:28. > :55:29.party set up by Basil McCrea and party set up by Basil McCrea and
:55:29. > :55:31.party set up by Basil McCrea and John McCallister, or not yet
:55:31. > :55:32.John McCallister, or not yet John McCallister, or not yet
:55:32. > :55:34.John McCallister, or not yet anyway. Why not? I thought about it
:55:34. > :55:35.anyway. Why not? I thought about it anyway. Why not? I thought about it
:55:35. > :55:38.anyway. Why not? I thought about it long and hard. I consulted with my
:55:38. > :55:40.long and hard. I consulted with my family, consulted with constituents
:55:40. > :55:40.family, consulted with constituents family, consulted with constituents
:55:40. > :55:42.family, consulted with constituents and people coming into my office. I
:55:42. > :55:43.and people coming into my office. I and people coming into my office. I
:55:43. > :55:44.and people coming into my office. I had to go back to my original
:55:44. > :55:45.had to go back to my original had to go back to my original
:55:45. > :55:47.had to go back to my original decision after I was elected, when I
:55:47. > :55:47.decision after I was elected, when I decision after I was elected, when I
:55:47. > :55:49.decision after I was elected, when I was quoted by other parties to join
:55:49. > :55:50.was quoted by other parties to join was quoted by other parties to join
:55:50. > :55:51.was quoted by other parties to join them. At the forefront of my mind
:55:51. > :55:52.them. At the forefront of my mind them. At the forefront of my mind
:55:52. > :55:54.them. At the forefront of my mind was the people who voted me as an
:55:54. > :55:56.was the people who voted me as an was the people who voted me as an
:55:56. > :55:57.independent Unionist, and I had to independent Unionist, and I had to
:55:57. > :55:58.independent Unionist, and I had to take them into consideration, and
:55:58. > :56:00.take them into consideration, and take them into consideration, and
:56:00. > :56:01.take them into consideration, and the reasons why they voted for me. I
:56:01. > :56:03.the reasons why they voted for me. I the reasons why they voted for me. I
:56:03. > :56:04.decided I would remain independent. decided I would remain independent.
:56:04. > :56:05.decided I would remain independent. You could never have foreseen the
:56:05. > :56:06.You could never have foreseen the You could never have foreseen the
:56:06. > :56:08.circumstances that have come about, circumstances that have come about,
:56:08. > :56:09.circumstances that have come about, circumstances that have come about,
:56:09. > :56:10.where a new party that is entirely where a new party that is entirely
:56:10. > :56:11.where a new party that is entirely in line with your political world
:56:11. > :56:17.in line with your political world in line with your political world
:56:17. > :56:18.view, would be created. Indeed. I view, would be created. Indeed. I
:56:18. > :56:20.view, would be created. Indeed. I support the vision that John and
:56:20. > :56:21.support the vision that John and support the vision that John and
:56:21. > :56:26.support the vision that John and Basil have, but I was not elected on
:56:26. > :56:26.Basil have, but I was not elected on Basil have, but I was not elected on
:56:26. > :56:29.Basil have, but I was not elected on that basis. That is primary in my
:56:29. > :56:31.that basis. That is primary in my that basis. That is primary in my
:56:31. > :56:32.mind. Recently, you have talked mind. Recently, you have talked
:56:33. > :56:33.mind. Recently, you have talked in-store Mont about getting better
:56:33. > :56:36.in-store Mont about getting better in-store Mont about getting better
:56:36. > :56:38.voted rights for smaller parties. voted rights for smaller parties.
:56:38. > :56:39.voted rights for smaller parties. voted rights for smaller parties.
:56:39. > :56:41.Are you not doing your voters out of Are you not doing your voters out of
:56:41. > :56:42.Are you not doing your voters out of Are you not doing your voters out of
:56:42. > :56:43.a better voice at store Mont by not a better voice at store Mont by not
:56:43. > :56:45.a better voice at store Mont by not banding together with others in your
:56:45. > :56:46.banding together with others in your banding together with others in your
:56:46. > :56:47.banding together with others in your party. The more of you there are,
:56:47. > :56:50.party. The more of you there are, party. The more of you there are,
:56:50. > :56:52.the bigger your voice would be. the bigger your voice would be.
:56:52. > :56:53.the bigger your voice would be. Absolutely, at the present time,
:56:53. > :56:54.Absolutely, at the present time, Absolutely, at the present time,
:56:54. > :56:55.speaking rights of those like myself speaking rights of those like myself
:56:55. > :56:58.speaking rights of those like myself speaking rights of those like myself
:56:58. > :57:00.who are on their own in the who are on their own in the
:57:00. > :57:01.backbenches are practically backbenches are practically
:57:01. > :57:02.backbenches are practically non-existent. If other parties put
:57:02. > :57:04.non-existent. If other parties put non-existent. If other parties put
:57:04. > :57:05.enough speakers forward, then we enough speakers forward, then we
:57:05. > :57:06.enough speakers forward, then we enough speakers forward, then we
:57:06. > :57:07.don't get an opportunity at all. I don't get an opportunity at all. I
:57:07. > :57:09.don't get an opportunity at all. I don't get an opportunity at all. I
:57:09. > :57:11.take your point that I could perhaps take your point that I could perhaps
:57:11. > :57:12.take your point that I could perhaps best represent my constituents if I
:57:12. > :57:13.best represent my constituents if I best represent my constituents if I
:57:13. > :57:14.best represent my constituents if I was member of another party, but I
:57:14. > :57:16.was member of another party, but I was member of another party, but I
:57:16. > :57:17.was member of another party, but I was not elected as a member of
:57:17. > :57:18.was not elected as a member of was not elected as a member of
:57:18. > :57:20.was not elected as a member of another party. Do you think it was
:57:20. > :57:21.another party. Do you think it was another party. Do you think it was
:57:21. > :57:22.something you would consider if you something you would consider if you
:57:22. > :57:23.something you would consider if you something you would consider if you
:57:23. > :57:24.decided to run at the next election? decided to run at the next election?
:57:24. > :57:25.decided to run at the next election? decided to run at the next election?
:57:25. > :57:29.That you would run as a member of That you would run as a member of
:57:29. > :57:30.That you would run as a member of That you would run as a member of
:57:30. > :57:32.that new party? One never says never that new party? One never says never
:57:32. > :57:34.that new party? One never says never in politics. There was a previous
:57:34. > :57:35.in politics. There was a previous in politics. There was a previous
:57:35. > :57:36.first minister who said never four first minister who said never four
:57:36. > :57:37.first minister who said never four first minister who said never four
:57:37. > :57:38.times, and then in the end he said, times, and then in the end he said,
:57:38. > :57:39.times, and then in the end he said, times, and then in the end he said,
:57:39. > :57:40.all right then. But that would be all right then. But that would be
:57:40. > :57:42.all right then. But that would be all right then. But that would be
:57:42. > :57:44.for the future. If I decide to go for the future. If I decide to go
:57:44. > :57:45.for the future. If I decide to go for the future. If I decide to go
:57:45. > :57:46.that way, it would be put before the that way, it would be put before the
:57:46. > :57:47.that way, it would be put before the that way, it would be put before the
:57:47. > :57:48.electorate. No way you would go back electorate. No way you would go back
:57:48. > :57:50.electorate. No way you would go back to the Ulster Unionist Party, is
:57:50. > :57:52.to the Ulster Unionist Party, is to the Ulster Unionist Party, is
:57:52. > :57:54.to the Ulster Unionist Party, is there? Not in the way it is going.
:57:54. > :57:55.there? Not in the way it is going. there? Not in the way it is going.
:57:55. > :57:57.there? Not in the way it is going. There is nothing between the DUP and
:57:57. > :57:57.There is nothing between the DUP and There is nothing between the DUP and
:57:57. > :58:00.the Ulster Unionist's. Thank you. the Ulster Unionist's. Thank you.
:58:00. > :58:03.the Ulster Unionist's. Thank you. the Ulster Unionist's. Thank you.
:58:03. > :58:04.Stay with us. Noel Doran and Kate Stay with us. Noel Doran and Kate
:58:04. > :58:06.Stay with us. Noel Doran and Kate Marshall. A new party. It doesn't
:58:06. > :58:07.Marshall. A new party. It doesn't Marshall. A new party. It doesn't
:58:07. > :58:09.Marshall. A new party. It doesn't have a name. Would it benefit from
:58:09. > :58:13.have a name. Would it benefit from have a name. Would it benefit from
:58:13. > :58:13.being three Musketeers instead of being three Musketeers instead of
:58:14. > :58:14.being three Musketeers instead of being three Musketeers instead of
:58:14. > :58:15.two? Clearly it would. There is not two? Clearly it would. There is not
:58:15. > :58:16.two? Clearly it would. There is not a great track record for unionists
:58:16. > :58:18.a great track record for unionists a great track record for unionists
:58:18. > :58:19.a great track record for unionists over the past few years. There is an
:58:19. > :58:21.over the past few years. There is an over the past few years. There is an
:58:21. > :58:24.opportunity there, but it is going opportunity there, but it is going
:58:24. > :58:25.opportunity there, but it is going to be tough. Unionist councillors
:58:25. > :58:26.to be tough. Unionist councillors to be tough. Unionist councillors
:58:26. > :58:27.seem to be abandoning John seem to be abandoning John
:58:27. > :58:27.seem to be abandoning John seem to be abandoning John
:58:28. > :58:31.McCallister, so it is going to be a McCallister, so it is going to be a
:58:31. > :58:32.McCallister, so it is going to be a McCallister, so it is going to be a
:58:32. > :58:33.lonely road for him. Basil will also lonely road for him. Basil will also
:58:33. > :58:34.lonely road for him. Basil will also faces challenges as well. The
:58:34. > :58:34.faces challenges as well. The faces challenges as well. The
:58:34. > :58:37.faces challenges as well. The spotlight is on them, and it will be
:58:37. > :58:40.spotlight is on them, and it will be spotlight is on them, and it will be
:58:40. > :58:42.tough. Can I broaden the tough. Can I broaden the
:58:42. > :58:43.conversation? You advise businesses conversation? You advise businesses
:58:43. > :58:44.conversation? You advise businesses on leadership. What is your message
:58:44. > :58:48.on leadership. What is your message on leadership. What is your message
:58:48. > :58:49.on leadership. What is your message to our leaders at Stormont? When I
:58:49. > :58:50.to our leaders at Stormont? When I to our leaders at Stormont? When I
:58:50. > :58:51.think about business and leadership, think about business and leadership,
:58:51. > :58:52.think about business and leadership, think about business and leadership,
:58:52. > :58:54.there's a couple of things that come there's a couple of things that come
:58:54. > :58:55.there's a couple of things that come to mind. Firstly, people are looking
:58:55. > :58:59.to mind. Firstly, people are looking to mind. Firstly, people are looking
:58:59. > :59:00.for clarity and their leaders. They for clarity and their leaders. They
:59:00. > :59:01.for clarity and their leaders. They for clarity and their leaders. They
:59:01. > :59:02.are looking for a clear vision, and are looking for a clear vision, and
:59:02. > :59:04.are looking for a clear vision, and are looking for a clear vision, and
:59:04. > :59:05.a clear way that that vision is a clear way that that vision is
:59:05. > :59:06.a clear way that that vision is communicated. They are looking for a
:59:06. > :59:07.communicated. They are looking for a communicated. They are looking for a
:59:07. > :59:08.communicated. They are looking for a sense of something that they can put
:59:08. > :59:10.sense of something that they can put sense of something that they can put
:59:10. > :59:12.their hope in, and something to their hope in, and something to
:59:12. > :59:14.their hope in, and something to follow that enables them, with
:59:14. > :59:14.follow that enables them, with follow that enables them, with
:59:14. > :59:16.clarity, to move forward with clarity, to move forward with
:59:16. > :59:20.clarity, to move forward with confidence. Voters can see through a
:59:20. > :59:21.confidence. Voters can see through a confidence. Voters can see through a
:59:21. > :59:22.lack of clarity. Absolutely. A lack lack of clarity. Absolutely. A lack
:59:22. > :59:23.lack of clarity. Absolutely. A lack lack of clarity. Absolutely. A lack
:59:23. > :59:24.of clarity causes folks to set aside of clarity causes folks to set aside
:59:24. > :59:29.of clarity causes folks to set aside of clarity causes folks to set aside
:59:29. > :59:33.-- step aside and find their own -- step aside and find their own
:59:33. > :59:35.-- step aside and find their own -- step aside and find their own
:59:35. > :59:36.way. David, bringing you in again. A way. David, bringing you in again. A
:59:36. > :59:41.way. David, bringing you in again. A joke was made yesterday about yet
:59:41. > :59:41.joke was made yesterday about yet joke was made yesterday about yet
:59:41. > :59:44.another Unionist party. Do you think another Unionist party. Do you think
:59:44. > :59:45.another Unionist party. Do you think another Unionist party. Do you think
:59:45. > :59:47.there is a well of support their there is a well of support their
:59:47. > :59:51.full liberal, moderate, progressive full liberal, moderate, progressive
:59:51. > :59:52.full liberal, moderate, progressive unionism, or has that disappeared?
:59:52. > :59:54.unionism, or has that disappeared? unionism, or has that disappeared?
:59:54. > :59:55.There certainly is, because 45% of There certainly is, because 45% of
:59:55. > :59:58.There certainly is, because 45% of the electorate do not vote
:59:58. > :59:59.the electorate do not vote the electorate do not vote
:59:59. > :00:01.presently. Perhaps they are fed up presently. Perhaps they are fed up
:00:01. > :00:03.presently. Perhaps they are fed up with the orange and green, and
:00:03. > :00:04.with the orange and green, and with the orange and green, and
:00:04. > :00:06.people always at each other's people always at each other's
:00:06. > :00:06.throats, and nothing constructive throats, and nothing constructive
:00:06. > :00:08.throats, and nothing constructive about welcoming people from all
:00:08. > :00:13.about welcoming people from all about welcoming people from all
:00:13. > :00:15.sections of the community into sections of the community into
:00:15. > :00:17.progressive unionism. Kate, its progressive unionism. Kate, its
:00:17. > :00:18.progressive unionism. Kate, its International women's Day on Friday.
:00:18. > :00:20.International women's Day on Friday. International women's Day on Friday.
:00:20. > :00:20.You chide Women In Business in You chide Women In Business in
:00:20. > :00:24.You chide Women In Business in Northern Ireland. We had a
:00:24. > :00:24.Northern Ireland. We had a significant political figure who
:00:24. > :00:27.significant political figure who significant political figure who
:00:27. > :00:29.significant political figure who happens to be a woman on today.
:00:29. > :00:31.happens to be a woman on today. happens to be a woman on today.
:00:31. > :00:33.Today, do we still need women's Today, do we still need women's
:00:33. > :00:35.organisations and big international organisations and big international
:00:35. > :00:37.organisations and big international events to promote women in society?
:00:37. > :00:38.events to promote women in society? events to promote women in society?
:00:38. > :00:39.Absolutely. Our organisation is only Absolutely. Our organisation is only
:00:39. > :00:41.Absolutely. Our organisation is only Absolutely. Our organisation is only
:00:41. > :00:43.ten years old, and we have grown to ten years old, and we have grown to
:00:43. > :00:45.ten years old, and we have grown to 900 members. That in itself tells
:00:45. > :00:46.900 members. That in itself tells 900 members. That in itself tells
:00:46. > :00:47.900 members. That in itself tells you there is a need for women's
:00:47. > :00:50.you there is a need for women's organisations. International women's
:00:50. > :00:51.organisations. International women's organisations. International women's
:00:51. > :00:52.Day is successful, it draws and Day is successful, it draws and
:00:52. > :00:54.Day is successful, it draws and attracts and celebrates women all
:00:54. > :00:55.attracts and celebrates women all attracts and celebrates women all
:00:55. > :00:56.attracts and celebrates women all over the world to talk about their
:00:56. > :00:58.over the world to talk about their over the world to talk about their
:00:58. > :00:59.achievements. Even in the States, achievements. Even in the States,
:00:59. > :01:01.achievements. Even in the States, they have nominated March as the
:01:01. > :01:02.they have nominated March as the International women's month, so
:01:02. > :01:03.International women's month, so International women's month, so
:01:03. > :01:04.International women's month, so clearly there is still a need.