:01:40. > :01:43.a great opportunity to showcase Fermanagh or an unwanted intrusion
:01:43. > :01:53.by leaders who represent big business? We'll ask the Sinn Fein MP
:01:53. > :01:53.
:01:53. > :37:32.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2139 seconds
:37:32. > :37:42.for the area what she thinks. Join to go before the leaders of the
:37:42. > :37:45.world 's eight richest countries arrive in Fermanagh for a two-day
:37:45. > :37:48.summit, while the G8 be a great opportunity to showcase the county
:37:48. > :37:51.or an unwanted intrusion by breeders who some say only represent big
:37:51. > :37:58.business. As thousands gather in London to demand local leaders to do
:37:58. > :38:01.more to end world hunger, we hear from Concern and Christian Aid.
:38:02. > :38:11.And while the newest little party shake-up the status quo in politics?
:38:12. > :38:13.
:38:13. > :38:17.I speak to Jane Morrice and Sam McBride.
:38:17. > :38:23.When it was announced last November that the G8 summit was to be held in
:38:23. > :38:29.Fermanagh, the First Minister and Deputy First Minister opted not to
:38:30. > :38:34.publish a joint statement. Some saw that as being a significant
:38:34. > :38:41.surprise. The did not sit well with Sinn Fein is a economic agenda? Is
:38:41. > :38:45.Sinn Fein caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to
:38:45. > :38:49.welcoming the leaders of the world 's eighth richest nations? Sinn Fein
:38:49. > :38:53.MP for Fermanagh Michelle joins me now. Thank you for joining us. You
:38:53. > :38:59.are the MP for the area. Has this been a tricky issue for you to
:38:59. > :39:05.navigate? I do not think so. We would also is welcome investment and
:39:05. > :39:10.tourism into Fermanagh. From that point of view the G8 as a positive.
:39:10. > :39:15.I think we have been over the course of the last year since it was
:39:15. > :39:21.announced that the G8 was coming, we have seen different spends being put
:39:21. > :39:27.on the G8. We saw hugely inflated figures for the economic benefit.
:39:27. > :39:37.When you look at what happened in Scotland the economic benefit has so
:39:37. > :39:40.far not been that impressive. There is a short-term benefit, a lot of
:39:40. > :39:46.businesses are doing well this week and next week at some businesses are
:39:46. > :39:50.certainly struggling, even tourism businesses which do not have a foot
:39:50. > :39:53.on the G8 ladder and they are not getting their usual customers, never
:39:53. > :39:58.mind a boost from the G8. That must be taken into consideration. Some
:39:58. > :40:02.have talked about a boost of hundreds of millions for the local
:40:02. > :40:05.economy. Your party colleague, they get the chair of the trade and
:40:05. > :40:11.investment committee at Stormont, Phil Flanagan, he has said that
:40:11. > :40:13.since the announcement was made we have been forced to listen to one
:40:14. > :40:19.ridiculous claim after another. Throughout the process he has been
:40:19. > :40:23.outspoken and critical of the event it seems to a lot of people and to
:40:23. > :40:28.some of the claims that have been made. Do you agree with him or is
:40:28. > :40:32.there a difference? I think he has a point. Being on that committee he
:40:32. > :40:36.has access to information and has asked a number of pertinent
:40:36. > :40:42.questions. He is correct in what he says. We also want to see the
:40:42. > :40:45.positives in this as well. There are a lot of negatives, however. Lot of
:40:45. > :40:49.young people have to get buses much earlier in the morning because of
:40:49. > :40:54.the structure into their exams. Some people have chosen not to come to
:40:54. > :40:59.Fermanagh because of the likely disruption that there will be.
:40:59. > :41:05.most important eight countries coming to the world into Fermanagh
:41:05. > :41:09.and people are arguing? ! You might not agree with everything they say
:41:09. > :41:18.or do but they are important and the focus of the world 's media will be
:41:18. > :41:20.on Fermanagh, is that not a good thing? Yes, and one of the positives
:41:20. > :41:26.was the two-day youth conference that was held in Fermanagh which
:41:26. > :41:33.involve young people from across arrogant. That two-day conference
:41:33. > :41:37.issued a youth community. They were 40 things, equality for all, health
:41:37. > :41:42.and access to health, poverty and addressing poverty and they want the
:41:42. > :41:45.G8 leaders to do more to address poverty around the world, and peace.
:41:45. > :41:51.They are looking at conflicts in places like Syria and Palestine and
:41:51. > :41:55.the belief that it is a fusion important issue. That will be
:41:55. > :42:01.translated into other languages and given to each set of leaders. As
:42:01. > :42:08.part of the problem that Sinn Fein is a pretty left-wing economic party
:42:08. > :42:11.with a similar agenda and their importance is talked up by a global
:42:11. > :42:16.business structure? That is not to constantly with the Sinn Fein
:42:16. > :42:21.agenda? I do not think it is a problem. David Cameron has been
:42:21. > :42:27.talking about world hunger. What he must understand is that you cannot
:42:27. > :42:31.talk out of both sides of your most on this. Welfare reform is actually
:42:31. > :42:37.bidding to people going hungry in Fermanagh and South Tyrone and
:42:37. > :42:42.across Northern Ireland. It is not that we are a left-wing party, but
:42:42. > :42:46.we do stand up for the vulnerable and those without a voice. We have
:42:46. > :42:49.people struggling at the moment to pay their bills and because the
:42:49. > :42:53.economic leaders of the world have not got their act together on this,
:42:53. > :42:59.we are still seeing people living in poverty, people unemployed, 50% in
:42:59. > :43:04.the South and nearly 80% in the North. Is that the First Minister,
:43:04. > :43:11.is this a real challenge for Mr McGuinness to meet these different
:43:11. > :43:16.leaders of the world? I do not think it will be a challenge for him.
:43:16. > :43:22.They can always handle himself well wherever he goes. He did not issue a
:43:22. > :43:27.joint statement with the First Minister have ever. That is because
:43:27. > :43:31.it may not be shared by the DUP and other right-wing parties. Perhaps he
:43:31. > :43:35.should have taken himself out of it then? He is not going to snub eight
:43:35. > :43:41.people from around the world. eight people were coming for a
:43:41. > :43:44.caravan holiday in Fermanagh you would not snub them, you are not
:43:44. > :43:48.good to snub resident Obama and the likes of him. You cannot compare the
:43:48. > :43:53.leaders of the eight most powerful countries to people going on a
:43:53. > :43:58.Caroline Hawley, can you? At the end of the day, if there are positives
:43:58. > :44:01.we want to tap into them. We must understand the negatives and the
:44:01. > :44:04.difficulties and we must ensure that people have a decent quality of life
:44:04. > :44:10.and that we stop the immigration because the figures that I have
:44:10. > :44:14.quoted do not reflect the flat -- the fact that so many of our young
:44:14. > :44:18.people are in Canada, New Zealand and Ireland the world. I think you
:44:18. > :44:22.were stretching the analogy the! have seen a great deal of you in the
:44:22. > :44:28.last 12 months. You are now concentrating on your role as a
:44:28. > :44:31.Westminster MP. You are an abstentionist MP, you are at the
:44:31. > :44:37.heart of it. Uber agriculture minister, the chair of the Health
:44:37. > :44:42.Committee, very hands of, -- very hands on, you must now have a lot of
:44:42. > :44:48.time on your hands? I spent a lot of time in my constituency and a lot of
:44:48. > :44:55.time between London, Belfast and other areas. There is a different
:44:55. > :44:59.approach to what I do. In my previous jobs I made a real
:44:59. > :45:04.difference and if all the MPs were truthful, I think they would save
:45:04. > :45:09.other they are extensions or not, it is much harder to make a positive
:45:10. > :45:15.impact when you're outside the Assembly than when you are in it. I
:45:15. > :45:25.would like to take my seat back in the Assembly. Did the party make the
:45:25. > :45:25.
:45:25. > :45:29.wrong call on your behalf? There are new people in the Assembly, five MPs
:45:29. > :45:33.are freed up to do other things. That is a good thing. I was in the
:45:33. > :45:37.Assembly for 14 years and I did enjoy it. Regardless of what
:45:37. > :45:45.committee I was on, I tried to be as proactive as I could be. Any of the
:45:45. > :45:53.MPs would tell you that London is a different animal. The Assembly is
:45:53. > :45:57.where it is at. Sam McBride and Jane Morrice now
:45:57. > :46:03.Johnny. Sam, is it a real challenge for Sinn Fein how the G8 summit is
:46:03. > :46:10.handled? It is certainly a challenge, one of many that come
:46:10. > :46:15.with being in power. Sinn Fein 's approach to some of these economic
:46:15. > :46:20.issues is quite similar to that of new Labour in some ways. They are
:46:20. > :46:25.demanding and tried to say to the people who would want to go in there
:46:25. > :46:30.and smash up the summit, we are broadly in agreement with your
:46:30. > :46:36.disdain of these people. There are also saying to those who like the
:46:36. > :46:41.filthy look of capitalism, you do not need to be frightened about us.
:46:41. > :46:46.How did you read the build-up to G8? It is fascinating that we are
:46:46. > :46:49.talking about global politics. just what the G8 is going to bring
:46:50. > :46:55.to Northern Ireland and Fermanagh, but these young people that are
:46:55. > :46:59.willing to take the sessions in a global world, it is opening up a
:46:59. > :47:03.whole domain for a lot of us. final thoughts from you, Jane, do
:47:03. > :47:07.you have some sympathy for Michelle wished that you read from the
:47:07. > :47:14.hothouse of the politics and the Assembly and did not go back into
:47:14. > :47:17.it. Uber Depat the Speaker for a time at the Assembly, did you have
:47:17. > :47:22.an adjustment to make with a lot of time on your hands? Definitely, I
:47:22. > :47:27.was only for five years but losing an election is a big thing. It is
:47:27. > :47:32.hard to get over. It takes a little while to adjust to it. To change
:47:32. > :47:40.your whole outlook and approach is very difficult. I look on the
:47:40. > :47:46.positive, I was able to spend more time with my son and family. Thank
:47:46. > :47:50.you both for joining me. Thank you, Michelle. Northern Ireland has a new
:47:50. > :47:55.political grouping after the launch of NI 21.
:47:55. > :48:02.The party set up by two Ulster Unionist MLAs, John McCallister and
:48:02. > :48:05.his colleagues. Basil McCrea. They see this new party will feel
:48:05. > :48:15.directly -- they say this new party will appeal directly to those felt
:48:15. > :48:23.
:48:23. > :48:28.loaded by the other parties One of Belfast and newest
:48:28. > :48:33.buildings, John McCallister and Basil McCrea wanted to send out a
:48:33. > :48:35.new message that the party was modern and fit for the 21st-century.
:48:35. > :48:43.Many of their party members have never been involved in politics
:48:43. > :48:47.before. Tina McKenzie is new to the political world. Experienced in
:48:47. > :48:52.business, she is the party 's chairwoman. I have worked
:48:52. > :48:55.internationally and across the UK. am the mother of three. I have never
:48:55. > :48:59.got involved in politics and I think most people in Northern Ireland feel
:48:59. > :49:05.disengaged from the process. I am speaking to those people to try to
:49:05. > :49:08.get them involved. What about the name NI 21? It was chosen to
:49:08. > :49:15.symbolise Northern Ireland and the 21st-century. Will it find favour
:49:15. > :49:25.with the electorate? It seems to me like a road number. Take the end 21
:49:25. > :49:30.West. Does it sound like apolitical party? No, it does not.It is not
:49:30. > :49:35.very exciting but I think it works. It is a break from some of the other
:49:35. > :49:41.type of names that are used. It is OK, it does not put me off but I
:49:41. > :49:44.would need the 21 explained. Basil McCrea and John McCallister say the
:49:44. > :49:48.party is pro union, supports the Belfast agreement and they argue
:49:48. > :49:53.religious persuasion should not defined political beliefs. But can
:49:53. > :49:58.they really make a political impact. The challenge is to try and carve
:49:58. > :50:03.out a distinctive area or space for themselves between the Alliance and
:50:03. > :50:07.the Northern Irish Conservatives. Many people have said they are
:50:07. > :50:12.overlapping with those parties. That is definitely a challenge. They are
:50:12. > :50:17.looking for a voter that is socially in the know, financially
:50:17. > :50:25.conservative. Can NI 21 attract people? Especially those who have
:50:25. > :50:30.felt let down by politics before? Kirsty McKay is 21 and the law and
:50:30. > :50:35.politics graduate. It is new and fresh and will engage people who
:50:35. > :50:39.have not been engaged before. McCallister and Basil McCrea are the
:50:39. > :50:43.new face of this party. The summit that relationship will be critical
:50:43. > :50:49.in the months ahead. Stephen Walker reporting. Sam
:50:49. > :50:57.McBride and Jane Morrice are still with me. Sam, how crucial is that
:50:57. > :51:04.relationship between those two men? It is fundamental. One of my friends
:51:04. > :51:08.who has no interest in politics was asking me what Northern Ireland 21
:51:08. > :51:12.stands for, that is very important. They must get across the clear
:51:12. > :51:18.message. That did not happen the day after the launch were Basil McCrea
:51:18. > :51:25.on the radio discussed for several minutes issues and was not clear
:51:25. > :51:27.about them. They must present themselves better. But there was a
:51:28. > :51:32.real vibrancy about the opening event. Lots of young people
:51:32. > :51:39.present. Quite a different demographic. Jane, you know all of
:51:39. > :51:47.the challenges of setting up a new party with the set-up of the Womens'
:51:47. > :51:52.Coalition, could this workout for NI 21? Back in our day things were very
:51:52. > :51:54.different. People were desperate for change. Since the Good Friday
:51:54. > :51:59.Agreement, things have been moving along and we have come to the point
:51:59. > :52:04.where there is a new desperation for change and for a much more
:52:04. > :52:07.progressive type of politics. If they represent that, I wish them
:52:07. > :52:14.well as I would any party that is going for change, positive change in
:52:14. > :52:19.Northern Ireland. As the territory there for them? The Alliance Party
:52:19. > :52:24.is under 8%, basil and John say there is an opening for them, do you
:52:24. > :52:31.believe that? The territory that they must get if they are going to
:52:31. > :52:35.be successful is to get the young people on board. They need to get
:52:35. > :52:40.those people who have not voted before on board as well.
:52:40. > :52:44.Next weekend as world leaders travel to Fermanagh for the G8 summit,
:52:44. > :52:47.anti-poverty campaigners will be gathering in Belfast to promote
:52:47. > :52:52.their message. David Cameron yesterday led a high-level summit
:52:52. > :52:57.where delegates committed to supporting historical reduction in
:52:57. > :53:02.undernutrition. He is committed to giving an extra �375 million to feed
:53:02. > :53:11.the world 's poorest children but is that enough for those to be taking
:53:12. > :53:20.their message to the G8 next week? Dominic MacSorley from Concern and a
:53:20. > :53:23.colleague from Christian Aid joining in. This was a significant moment.
:53:23. > :53:30.Bill Gates also made an announcement and his foundation has committed
:53:30. > :53:34.something to the tune of �800 million. The European Union has
:53:34. > :53:39.committed 3.5 billion over a number of years. The money is significant
:53:39. > :53:43.and close to what we were looking for. What we must ensure is that
:53:43. > :53:47.this money is actually committed and that the mechanisms are in place.
:53:47. > :53:53.The bottom line is that it is not just about money but money is
:53:53. > :53:58.important. Yesterday 's conference highlighted if you prioritise
:53:58. > :54:02.nutrition and if you are able to get the kind of programmes that will
:54:02. > :54:07.insure a child actually develops as it should up until the first two
:54:07. > :54:10.years, the chances of that child going to school and into education
:54:10. > :54:14.and becoming a significant contributor to a national economy is
:54:14. > :54:22.huge and that is how we are going to solve global poverty. That is the
:54:22. > :54:26.key driver to ending global poverty. How does what was agreed in London
:54:26. > :54:30.yesterday, Rosamond Bennett, how does that tie into what you are
:54:30. > :54:34.hoping to achieve at the G8 summit? Did David Cameron take the wind out
:54:34. > :54:43.of your sales? Not at all. What happened yesterday in London was
:54:43. > :54:46.brilliant. We have our big if event next Saturday and it is all about
:54:46. > :54:51.making sure the government is more committed to eight. It is about tax
:54:51. > :54:59.dodging as well. It is putting pressure on the G8 to say that they
:54:59. > :55:02.must look at ways in which we can stop tax dodging. Christian Aid
:55:02. > :55:08.estimates that 160 billion US dollars are lost every year through
:55:08. > :55:16.tax dodging. That could go straight to having world hunger. It depends
:55:16. > :55:19.what you mean by tax dodging. Tax avoidance or tax aviation. Some of
:55:19. > :55:24.that is perfectly legal. Some of the big companies are not breaking the
:55:25. > :55:30.law, you believe that needs to be looked at again? Tax avoidance may
:55:30. > :55:34.be legal but it is not necessarily morally correct. When you look at
:55:34. > :55:37.where a lot of those big companies are, we are going into some of the
:55:37. > :55:47.poorest countries in the world, taking out all of the natural
:55:47. > :55:50.resources and not paying a penny in tax. That may be legal, but in my
:55:50. > :55:52.eyes and a lot of other people 's' has, that is unethical. Do you share
:55:52. > :55:57.that view and that international companies that line to support the
:55:57. > :56:00.IF campaign, and it was revealed yesterday by another charity, some
:56:00. > :56:06.of them are not paying the taxes that we as ordinary people would
:56:06. > :56:12.expect them to be pain? The problem that we are trying to is enormous.
:56:12. > :56:19.The traditional view when I started this work 30 years ago was if the
:56:19. > :56:24.government give the money to the international GE owes and it is much
:56:24. > :56:29.more complex than that. It will require significant investment from
:56:29. > :56:36.the private sector. You work with these oil companies and they are
:56:36. > :56:39.starting to recognise that if they can support health initiatives, they
:56:39. > :56:44.can get a better workforce, they can build up their own infrastructure
:56:44. > :56:47.and ultimately it is smart business sense. How do you get traction with
:56:47. > :56:51.ordinary people watching this programme today and who will be
:56:51. > :56:54.watching the G8 leaders in Fermanagh the week after next that they should
:56:54. > :57:01.support your campaign when they are themselves living through very
:57:01. > :57:07.austere times? Hunger is not something that just applies as
:57:07. > :57:12.Michelle said earlier to poor countries, it is around the world. I
:57:12. > :57:18.would advise people to go online and sign up to the petition is available
:57:18. > :57:23.to show support against tax dodging and send them to David Cameron. The
:57:23. > :57:26.more money that can be put into the tax system here and into our own
:57:26. > :57:30.infrastructure will help people in the UK as well as those in
:57:30. > :57:36.developing countries. What about the lobbying that may take ways in
:57:36. > :57:39.Fermanagh in Belfast? How do you set out your stall without looking like
:57:39. > :57:47.anti-capitalist demonstrators who will also be lobbying and Themis
:57:47. > :57:52.Trading next weekend? I love to hear about the kids in Fermanagh I get
:57:52. > :58:02.involved. People are interested in these issues and we all know these
:58:02. > :58:03.
:58:04. > :58:08.are tough times. This is not about asking for significant increases,
:58:08. > :58:10.but how we use the money to insure that we as international
:58:10. > :58:15.organisations can use that as effectively as possible is very
:58:15. > :58:21.important. Thank you both for joining me.
:58:21. > :58:29.Now for a look back at the political bite and 60 Seconds with Stephen
:58:29. > :58:39.Walker. After hours of debate the special
:58:39. > :58:39.
:58:39. > :58:45.advisers Bell was finally passed. This bill will be very successful is
:58:45. > :58:49.passed. Lord Laird was accused of doing parliamentary work for payment
:58:49. > :58:54.but he denied any wrongdoing. Northern Ireland 's newest party was
:58:54. > :58:57.unveiled. People are disillusioned with
:58:57. > :59:05.politics but not this interested. They want something better and
:59:05. > :59:10.different. We aim to do that. Belfast got a new first citizen.
:59:10. > :59:20.I want to create jobs. In the sweltering heat Stormont, one MLA
:59:20. > :59:23.got hot under the collar. Would the speaker be minded to look
:59:23. > :59:33.at the guidance on riding jackets and the Assembly, it is very hot
:59:33. > :59:34.
:59:34. > :59:40.today. They were allowed to take off their
:59:40. > :59:43.jackets! Sam, a quick final word from you. Looking ahead to the G8,
:59:43. > :59:48.doesn't have the ingredients be successful as far as Northern
:59:48. > :59:51.Ireland is concerned? It will be successful in terms of publicity but
:59:51. > :59:57.there are not that many people in Northern Ireland that are massively
:59:57. > :00:03.excited about this. It is meant to be in secret and geeky people make
:00:03. > :00:08.-- people like me and you away from the event. Jane you spent a lot of
:00:08. > :00:12.time in Brussels, are people talking about the G8 coming to Ireland?