11/06/2017

:00:00. > :00:00.But stay with us for more drama as we can now go straight

:00:00. > :00:00.to the Sunday Politics with Andrew Neil who's

:00:00. > :00:12.We are indeed in the sunshine. Welcome from the heart of

:00:13. > :00:26.Westminster. Theresa May reappointing key figures

:00:27. > :00:30.to the Cabinet, sacking had to closest aides, Nick Timothy and

:00:31. > :00:34.Fiona Hill. After Conservative MPs demanded their removal in the

:00:35. > :00:37.Conservative failure to win an overall majority in the House of

:00:38. > :00:41.Commons. Over the next hour and a bit we'll continue to take stock on

:00:42. > :00:43.the remarkable events of the last 72 hours and try to work out where we

:00:44. > :00:47.go from here. First though, here's Adam Fleming

:00:48. > :00:50.with a reminder of the high octane I was going to say this

:00:51. > :00:56.chair is quite warm. Michael Fallon's bum

:00:57. > :01:04.was on this chair. Bums on seats, its election

:01:05. > :01:06.night at the BBC, hosted This is David Dimbleby's

:01:07. > :01:10.actual seat! Look, he's got four pencils,

:01:11. > :01:16.stopwatch and a calculator. And what we are saying

:01:17. > :01:23.is the Conservatives Note, they don't have an overall

:01:24. > :01:31.majority at this stage. 314 for the Conservatives,

:01:32. > :01:33.that's down 17. Luckily there were plenty

:01:34. > :01:43.of politicians who never are. What does this exit

:01:44. > :01:49.poll actually mean? Well, if it's accurate it means

:01:50. > :01:52.Theresa May has just presided over the greatest catastrophe that I can

:01:53. > :01:55.think of in the Conservative We haven't seen a seat change hands

:01:56. > :02:02.and we are hearing about possible Conservative gains in the Midlands

:02:03. > :02:04.and losses in London, People will write Ph.D.s about the

:02:05. > :02:10.2017 election Labour candidates were winning

:02:11. > :02:16.in unexpected places. Tories were losing in unexpected

:02:17. > :02:20.places, including eight members of the Government,

:02:21. > :02:22.like Treasury minister The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd,

:02:23. > :02:30.held on in Hastings...just. OK, the former Deputy Prime Minister

:02:31. > :02:32.and former leader of the Liberal Democrats,

:02:33. > :02:34.Nick Clegg, has been beaten I've always sought to stand

:02:35. > :02:40.by the liberal values I believe in, but I, of course, have encountered

:02:41. > :02:43.this evening something many people have encountered before tonight,

:02:44. > :02:48.and I suspect many people will encounter after tonight,

:02:49. > :02:51.which is - in politics you live by the sword, and you

:02:52. > :02:54.die by the sword. Lib Dem leader Tim Farron

:02:55. > :02:59.was narrowly re-elected in Cumbria, unlike the SNP's Westminster

:03:00. > :03:04.leader Angus Robertson, who lost his seat, former First

:03:05. > :03:07.Minister Alex Salmond defeated too. The Scottish National Party have

:03:08. > :03:11.lost many fine parliamentarians this evening, and that is a grievous blow

:03:12. > :03:15.to the SNP. But overall the results in Scotland

:03:16. > :03:20.show the SNP will have won a majority of the seats in this

:03:21. > :03:23.country and a majority of the vote. Paul Nuttall failed to get

:03:24. > :03:29.elected in Skegness So, the green room looking a bit

:03:30. > :03:37.ruined, a bit like Ukip I think we are doing

:03:38. > :03:41.better than the SNP. We deliberately didn't stand in some

:03:42. > :03:48.seats to try to give Brexit I think it's quite interesting

:03:49. > :03:52.the main leading Brexit candidates in this election

:03:53. > :03:56.are getting their seat back. Right, it's dawn in the real world

:03:57. > :04:17.and I found a pub that has been open What state are they going

:04:18. > :04:24.to be in, in there? And was it young people

:04:25. > :04:26.who had seen Corbyn, voted, and got the T-shirt who helped

:04:27. > :04:29.the Labour leader to Right, five past five

:04:30. > :04:34.in the morning, we are outside Jeremy Corbyn's house in Islington

:04:35. > :04:37.in north London. Surprisingly small press pack

:04:38. > :04:39.for the man who's destroyed Jeremy!

:04:40. > :04:42.Jeremy! If there is a message from

:04:43. > :04:49.tonight's result, it's this - the Prime Minister called

:04:50. > :04:51.the election because Well, the mandate she's got is lost

:04:52. > :04:58.Conservative seats, lost votes, I would have thought that's enough

:04:59. > :05:06.to go actually and make way for a government that will be truly

:05:07. > :05:08.representative of all Theresa May did the opposite,

:05:09. > :05:15.popping to the palace, What the country needs more

:05:16. > :05:23.than ever is certainty, and having secured the largest

:05:24. > :05:27.number of votes and the greatest number of seats in the general

:05:28. > :05:31.election, it is clear that only the Conservatives and Unionist Party

:05:32. > :05:36.have the legitimacy and ability to provide that certainty

:05:37. > :05:38.by commanding a majority As we do, we will continue to work

:05:39. > :05:46.with our friends and allies, in the Democratic Unionist Party

:05:47. > :05:51.in particular. 15 hours after election night

:05:52. > :06:24.started, it's all over. And joined by Tom Newton Dunn, Julia

:06:25. > :06:29.Hartley-Brewer and Steve Richards. Julia, why did it go so wrong for

:06:30. > :06:32.the Conservatives? You can't run a presidential campaign if you have a

:06:33. > :06:36.candidate with less than the charisma of this desk. If you're not

:06:37. > :06:40.going to put her out to debate, if she's not coming to the people and

:06:41. > :06:44.selling herself, which she studiously didn't do, you can't run

:06:45. > :06:48.that campaign. There was the possibility another leader could

:06:49. > :06:51.have walked that with 800 majority against Jeremy Corbyn. Another

:06:52. > :06:59.campaign, we will never know, could have delivered a majority of 30 or

:07:00. > :07:06.40, without the deal with the DUP. I'm not saying it was fundamentally

:07:07. > :07:12.wrong to call the election at this time, but it was the wrong candidate

:07:13. > :07:17.and the wrong campaign. The third election in a row that Labour has

:07:18. > :07:20.failed to win. It was still a substantial and historic achievement

:07:21. > :07:26.for Jeremy Corbyn. If you consider the context in which this election

:07:27. > :07:30.was called, Theresa May, on her honeymoon to die for, politically,

:07:31. > :07:36.with Labour voters split over Brexit, suddenly calling an election

:07:37. > :07:39.when most Labour MPs were not willing to cooperate with whatever

:07:40. > :07:42.campaign was being held by Labour, for them to do as well as they have

:07:43. > :07:46.done is an extraordinary achievement. They got no more seats

:07:47. > :07:51.than Gordon Brown in 2010, roughly the same. But the context couldn't

:07:52. > :07:56.have been more daunting, and to wipe out a majority of this figure, who

:07:57. > :08:02.six weeks ago was walking on water and appeared to have Brexit as part

:08:03. > :08:05.of her ammunition against the split Labour vote, remains astonishing.

:08:06. > :08:15.One of the errors she made and so many others she made and probably

:08:16. > :08:19.all of us, was to underestimate the potency of Corbyn and the relatively

:08:20. > :08:24.modest social Democrat manifesto. Doesn't it take stupidity bordering

:08:25. > :08:28.on genius to turn a 20 point lead at the start of the campaign into a

:08:29. > :08:32.hung parliament? It does and it did. That's what happened. I think the

:08:33. > :08:36.lead was soft, largely because Theresa May was unknown. We know her

:08:37. > :08:40.because we have been having lunch and interviews with her for years on

:08:41. > :08:46.end. The public didn't know her. They got to know her and they

:08:47. > :08:51.discovered she was the Maybot, which is the term that will stick after

:08:52. > :08:57.this campaign. I differ from my two colleagues here, it wasn't the

:08:58. > :09:01.amazing right of Corbyn, it was a complete failure to remember that

:09:02. > :09:04.people wanted a revolution when they voted for Brexit, and she came

:09:05. > :09:12.across as the party and candidate of continuity. As things stand, we are

:09:13. > :09:17.where we are. Where are we?! Where do we go from here? I was with

:09:18. > :09:20.College Green with you in the early hours of Friday morning and I didn't

:09:21. > :09:27.see anybody that said, see you back here in October. A second election?

:09:28. > :09:32.God forbid, nobody wants a second election, but I can't see the Tories

:09:33. > :09:36.being able to stay in power with the DUP and I'm personally very unhappy

:09:37. > :09:40.with a lot of DUP policies, their stance on gay rights, capital

:09:41. > :09:43.punishment, abortion rights, and there will be an awful lot of

:09:44. > :09:49.people, floating voters, who will recoil in horror at that, even on

:09:50. > :09:53.unofficial lines. I get the sense Jeremy Corbyn will be up for a

:09:54. > :09:57.second election, as quick as it comes. I'm sure he is, and if there

:09:58. > :10:01.was one company might well win it, which is why there won't be. All

:10:02. > :10:04.logic points to another election but I don't think there will be one,

:10:05. > :10:10.because I don't think any Conservative Prime Minister will

:10:11. > :10:13.feel strong and confident enough after the trauma of this. They would

:10:14. > :10:19.have to be 50 points ahead in the polls to take the risk. I think

:10:20. > :10:22.rather like between 74 and 79 we will have a frail and fragile House

:10:23. > :10:25.of Commons with a minority government for quite a long time,

:10:26. > :10:29.simply because whoever is Prime Minister will not have the

:10:30. > :10:33.confidence to call an election. So the Tories fear of a quick second

:10:34. > :10:37.election could well result in them going more leniently on Mrs May than

:10:38. > :10:45.they really want to. We have seen already, Miss Mrs May is still Prime

:10:46. > :10:50.Minister. That wouldn't have happened by now if they thought they

:10:51. > :10:55.could win a second snap election. I think they will stabilise. They are

:10:56. > :10:57.also desperate to get Brexit negotiations underway. That's

:10:58. > :11:01.another reason she is still there. She is the one who needs to pull the

:11:02. > :11:06.trigger. Most of the Tory party are aching to have the trigger pulled.

:11:07. > :11:09.When that is bold, when I have stabilised, and when Jeremy Corbyn

:11:10. > :11:14.is back the House of Commons, where remember he's not very good, I think

:11:15. > :11:20.they might your right. Lots more to talk about. Thank you for being with

:11:21. > :11:23.me in the open air, the Westminster penthouse, open to the world. I just

:11:24. > :11:26.need to find the cocktail bar. Although it is early.

:11:27. > :11:28.So, let's take a look at the election results

:11:29. > :11:31.Here's how the parties fared in the election on Thursday.

:11:32. > :11:34.And here's how they got on in the previous general

:11:35. > :11:38.As you can see, the Labour vote is up dramatically, by ten points.

:11:39. > :11:40.But the Conservative vote also rose quite significantly, by five points.

:11:41. > :11:43.The SNP and the Liberal Democrats both saw declines in their support.

:11:44. > :11:45.And Ukip's vote has almost completely collapsed,

:11:46. > :11:48.from 13% in 2015 to just 2% this time around.

:11:49. > :11:57.So the resurgence of two-party politics is one of the key

:11:58. > :12:06.The combined vote share of the two main parties is now 82%,

:12:07. > :12:11.the highest it's been since the election in 1970.

:12:12. > :12:16.And it's more if you exclude Northern Ireland.

:12:17. > :12:18.That's partly explained by the collapse of Ukip.

:12:19. > :12:22.According to one estimate, the Conservatives may have got 57%

:12:23. > :12:28.It's also thought that last year's EU referendum has helped to polarise

:12:29. > :12:32.support along the traditional Labour and Conservative lines.

:12:33. > :12:35.In polls carried out before the election,

:12:36. > :12:39.it was estimated that 50% of remain voters supported Labour and nearly

:12:40. > :12:42.two-thirds of leave voters supported the Conservatives.

:12:43. > :12:48.There's also speculation that a rise in the number of young voters may be

:12:49. > :12:50.behind the boost in Labour's support - but we don't yet have

:12:51. > :13:00.But it's notable that Labour did well in certain constituencies

:13:01. > :13:04.For example, it's thought that the large number of students

:13:05. > :13:08.in Canterbury helped Labour win the seat for the first time

:13:09. > :13:12.ever, with a 9% swing from the Conservatives.

:13:13. > :13:17.The two main parties have also seen changes in their number of seats.

:13:18. > :13:21.Labour lost six seats but gained 36, giving them a net gain of 30 seats.

:13:22. > :13:24.Most of those Labour gains were in England,

:13:25. > :13:28.where the party took 27 seats, mainly from the Conservatives.

:13:29. > :13:30.They also gained three seats in Wales and six

:13:31. > :13:38.As for the Conservatives, they lost a total of 33

:13:39. > :13:42.seats but also gained 20, giving them a net loss of 13 seats.

:13:43. > :13:47.Most of those 20 Conservative gains came in Scotland,

:13:48. > :13:54.where the party took 12 seats from the SNP.

:13:55. > :13:58.Meaning the Scottish Tories are allowing Mrs May to try to form a

:13:59. > :14:00.government this week! Who would have thought!

:14:01. > :14:02.In England, the Conservatives won

:14:03. > :14:05.Joining me now from Glasgow is the brains behind Thursday

:14:06. > :14:07.night's astoundingly accurate exit poll, the polling expert

:14:08. > :14:26.And John, the Tories saw a 5-point rise in the share of the votes to

:14:27. > :14:32.42%, very high by recent historical standards, but still lost over a

:14:33. > :14:37.dozen seats, why? Under our first past the post electoral system, the

:14:38. > :14:42.share of the vote you get is almost irrelevant. What is crucial is how

:14:43. > :14:47.you do relative to your opponents. In particular so far as Conservative

:14:48. > :14:55.and Labour are concerned, what determines the fate is the gap

:14:56. > :14:59.between them. In the 2015 election, the Conservatives had a 7-point

:15:00. > :15:03.lead, that only got them a majority of 12, and somebody should have said

:15:04. > :15:07.to the Prime Minister before she pulled the trigger, you do realise

:15:08. > :15:11.you have to be a long way ahead of the Labour Party in order to

:15:12. > :15:16.increase your majority. The opinion polls say you are at that point now

:15:17. > :15:23.but if they fall you are in trouble. In the end of the Conservative lead

:15:24. > :15:28.is 2.5 points, which is not enough to secure a majority given that

:15:29. > :15:33.Northern Ireland is out of the frame, Scotland still has a majority

:15:34. > :15:40.of third party MPs, and there are still Liberal Democrats and greens.

:15:41. > :15:48.This now looks like a two party race once again. We have still got much

:15:49. > :15:54.more in the House of Commons than in 1970 which makes a hung parliament

:15:55. > :15:58.much more likely. Meanwhile there weren't that many marginal seats. It

:15:59. > :16:05.is the relative standing of the parties that's crucial. And how do

:16:06. > :16:11.we explain the 10% rise in Labour's share of the vote? There's a lot of

:16:12. > :16:16.anecdotal evidence of a youth Surge, and I'd like to know if we can nail

:16:17. > :16:23.that down, but also the work of the swings too. Some green voters moved

:16:24. > :16:29.into Labour, some Liberal Democrats, even perhaps some Ukip voters moved

:16:30. > :16:33.into Labour, what do we know? I think we can pick up three crucial

:16:34. > :16:37.patterns. The first is a lot of people who at the beginning of the

:16:38. > :16:42.campaign said are usually vote Labour but cannot imagine doing so

:16:43. > :16:46.under Jeremy Corbyn, he so hopeless. Because of his relatively strong

:16:47. > :16:53.performance they came back into the fold so by the time we got to

:16:54. > :16:58.polling day there was many 2015 voters who said they would vote

:16:59. > :17:03.Labour again. That was the crucial point, getting the faithful back on

:17:04. > :17:09.board. It is certainly clear there was a substantial swing to young

:17:10. > :17:13.voters during the campaign. Labour started off well in that group, the

:17:14. > :17:19.opinion polls had it around 65% by the time the election came. We don't

:17:20. > :17:23.know exactly the turnout amongst young people, but certainly the

:17:24. > :17:28.pattern of the results suggests the turnout was going up more in places

:17:29. > :17:32.where there were young people so probably somewhat more of them did

:17:33. > :17:37.turn out to vote. The third crucial patent is that this was an election

:17:38. > :17:43.which to some degree voters did polarise around the issue of the

:17:44. > :17:55.shape of Brexit, weather you are a Remain or Leave voter. Labour's

:17:56. > :17:58.progress during the campaign was disproportionately amongst Remain

:17:59. > :18:04.voters so although the parties were not thought to be that far apart on

:18:05. > :18:07.the shape of Brexit, they seem to be sufficiently far apart that Labour

:18:08. > :18:15.was more attractive for those less keen on the kind of Brexit Theresa

:18:16. > :18:25.May had in mind. John Curtice, thank you as always. We are now going to

:18:26. > :18:32.Salford. Graham Brady, you think Mrs May should soldier on, why? There's

:18:33. > :18:40.no other party in a position to form a government. Clearly these aren't

:18:41. > :18:43.the circumstances that either the Prime Minister nor I nor my

:18:44. > :18:47.colleagues would want to be dealing with at the moment but this is what

:18:48. > :18:54.we are presented with and it's our duty to make the best of it and try

:18:55. > :18:58.to offer government as resilient as it can be an quite difficult times.

:18:59. > :19:03.But is she ever going to be more than a caretaker leader now? I think

:19:04. > :19:07.one of the odd things about the experience of the last 12 months is

:19:08. > :19:11.Theresa May performed well as Prime Minister and the public rather liked

:19:12. > :19:15.her as Prime Minister. I think few people would say the campaign

:19:16. > :19:21.succeeded in projecting her qualities as strongly as it could

:19:22. > :19:25.and should have done. As we return to government, albeit in difficult

:19:26. > :19:30.circumstances and dependent on support from other parties, I think

:19:31. > :19:35.we will see people once again seeing the steady, calm, thoughtful Theresa

:19:36. > :19:40.May as Prime Minister. Do you fear a leadership election might lead to a

:19:41. > :19:46.second general election, and that prospect terrifies you, doesn't it?

:19:47. > :19:50.I'm not sitting here terrified, but I think there is zero appetite

:19:51. > :19:55.amongst the public for another general election at the moment, and

:19:56. > :20:00.I don't detect any great appetite amongst my colleagues for presenting

:20:01. > :20:04.the public with a massive additional dose of uncertainty by getting

:20:05. > :20:09.involved in a rather self-indulgent Conservative Party internal election

:20:10. > :20:16.campaign. That's because they are frightened they might lose, that's

:20:17. > :20:20.why they don't want another one. I think most of us are motivated by a

:20:21. > :20:24.belief in the national interest and we are responsible people who want

:20:25. > :20:28.to try to offer that responsible, steady government, especially at

:20:29. > :20:33.this point as we know it's just a matter of days until those important

:20:34. > :20:36.negotiations on leaving the European Union begins. It's a time when we

:20:37. > :20:43.need experience and responsible people in Government, and I think

:20:44. > :20:46.it's our duty to try to offer that. Many Tories have said to me that Mrs

:20:47. > :20:51.May must never be allowed to leave your party into another general

:20:52. > :20:54.election, do you agree with that? No, these are judgments that will be

:20:55. > :20:59.made in the fullness of time by the Prime Minister and by colleagues, as

:21:00. > :21:03.is always the case with any Prime Minister and leader of the party,

:21:04. > :21:07.but at the moment we are resolutely focused on trying to make sure the

:21:08. > :21:11.country can have the responsible study government that it really

:21:12. > :21:21.needs at this point, and that should be our focus too. In what way should

:21:22. > :21:26.Mrs May change? I think there are all sorts of lessons we can pick up

:21:27. > :21:31.from the campaign and the reaction to it, even from the thing that

:21:32. > :21:35.surprised most of us, the way in which Jeremy Corbyn, in spite of all

:21:36. > :21:41.of his manifest failings, in particular his extreme political

:21:42. > :21:47.views, was able to present himself in a rather avuncular way. I didn't

:21:48. > :21:53.ask about Mr Corbyn. I'm saying I think there are some lessons there,

:21:54. > :21:56.in terms of relaxing little bit into communicating with the electorate.

:21:57. > :22:03.It is something she does very well in person, increasingly so since she

:22:04. > :22:07.became Prime Minister. That's not the experience of the campaign, the

:22:08. > :22:14.more people saw her the more they didn't like the colour of her gym.

:22:15. > :22:18.It didn't communicating the campaign, but also I think we need

:22:19. > :22:22.to see a much more open and inclusive approach within

:22:23. > :22:28.government, within Parliament as well. That's not just a kind of

:22:29. > :22:34.desirable outcome, which I think always would have been desirable and

:22:35. > :22:38.I've had this conversation with previous prime ministers as well.

:22:39. > :22:42.It's a necessity in the circumstances, trying to make a hung

:22:43. > :22:48.parliament and minority government work really requires a much more

:22:49. > :22:53.inclusive approach. You are being brought into the decision taking

:22:54. > :22:58.process on the deal being done with the DUP? I have said to the Prime

:22:59. > :23:03.Minister I think it is important she speaks to colleagues as soon as

:23:04. > :23:11.possible. I'm hoping to bring it forward to tomorrow so she can

:23:12. > :23:16.talk... But are you being involved in this more inclusive process? I am

:23:17. > :23:20.not on a negotiating team but I saw the Prime Minister very early after

:23:21. > :23:23.the election had taken place, I went to London on Friday afternoon and

:23:24. > :23:29.met with her and we had a discussion about all sorts of things that need

:23:30. > :23:32.to be addressed over the coming days and weeks. When Mrs May spoke in

:23:33. > :23:37.Downing Street after she'd gone to see the Queen, it was another

:23:38. > :23:43.robotic performance. It didn't even express any regrets for the Tories

:23:44. > :23:48.that had lost. You had to into being to get her to make a second

:23:49. > :23:54.statement, didn't you? No, she was already going to give the interview

:23:55. > :23:59.she gave. You urged her to do so. She was already scheduled to give

:24:00. > :24:03.the interview. I happen to see her in between the statement and

:24:04. > :24:07.interview, and I was keen to press home that in the past Conservative

:24:08. > :24:11.Party that has been very poor in its communications with colleagues who

:24:12. > :24:15.have lost their seats in the general election, that is something none of

:24:16. > :24:19.my colleagues likes to see so I certainly did say that I think it's

:24:20. > :24:28.important we do better this time. What bits of the manifesto will you

:24:29. > :24:32.now have to jumk for the Queen 's speech? That will be an interesting

:24:33. > :24:39.process to witness. I don't think it will just be the Queen 's speech, it

:24:40. > :24:43.will be the whole experience of government. There's no point in

:24:44. > :24:50.sailing ahead with items that were in the manifesto which we won't get

:24:51. > :24:58.through Parliament so I think we will have to work very carefully. No

:24:59. > :25:06.doubt we will slim down the Queen's speech. So tell me, which bits will

:25:07. > :25:12.you have to junk? Back to the triple lock on pensioners and no grammar

:25:13. > :25:15.schools? How about that? I would be upset if we couldn't make any

:25:16. > :25:22.progress on allowing people to have a choice of grammar schools if they

:25:23. > :25:27.wanted. Are you hoping they will drop it? If we cannot get things

:25:28. > :25:32.through Parliament, we cannot do them so I certainly would suggest

:25:33. > :25:36.that we can look for instance at a rather modest sort of pilots,

:25:37. > :25:41.opening some state grammar schools in inner urban areas, especially

:25:42. > :25:43.where education at the moment is not offering great opportunities to

:25:44. > :25:50.people of lower income backgrounds. I think that is something that could

:25:51. > :25:53.command quite broad support. I have heard from friends on the Labour

:25:54. > :25:59.ventures quietly that they would like that approach to be taken. We

:26:00. > :26:03.will certainly have to trim our policies carefully according to what

:26:04. > :26:10.we think Parliament will support. Graham Brady in Salford, thank you.

:26:11. > :26:14.Let's go to Nottingham where I am joined by Anna Soubry. In the early

:26:15. > :26:20.hours of Thursday morning you called on Theresa May to consider her

:26:21. > :26:25.position. Is that still your view? Yes, she obviously has considered

:26:26. > :26:30.her position and she is set to go in due course, but I very much agree

:26:31. > :26:36.with Graham, we don't want her to go now. We want a period of stability

:26:37. > :26:40.and she has got to reach out and form a consensus and she has got to

:26:41. > :26:46.form a consensus in particular on Brexit. She has now got to make sure

:26:47. > :26:51.she understands that the British people have rejected a hard Brexit.

:26:52. > :26:55.We are leaving the EU, I don't think there's any change there but we are

:26:56. > :26:59.not going to be leaving the EU in some irresponsible weights that will

:27:00. > :27:02.damage future generations in our country and there's a big lesson to

:27:03. > :27:06.be learned as you've already identified in your programme, about

:27:07. > :27:10.younger people and the message they have sent out in this election. I

:27:11. > :27:15.will come onto Brexit in the moment, but you have said she is set to go

:27:16. > :27:24.in due course, what does that mean? I don't know. After the summer,

:27:25. > :27:32.before the end of the year? I would have thought so. She is flawed,

:27:33. > :27:36.she's in a desperate situation. Her position is untenable and I think

:27:37. > :27:40.she knows that and she is doing the right thing, which is she's got rid

:27:41. > :27:44.of these special advisers, she's brought in Gavin Barwell, and she's

:27:45. > :27:48.listening to people from all parts of not just the party but the

:27:49. > :27:53.country. She has got to reach out more and broaden the base within her

:27:54. > :27:57.Cabinet, and she's got to include people from all parts of my party as

:27:58. > :28:03.well as all points of view across Parliament. So what impact in your

:28:04. > :28:10.view will, as you describe it, Mrs May's much more weakened position,

:28:11. > :28:16.what impact will that have on her current Brexit stance? Will she have

:28:17. > :28:22.to change it and water it down? Yes, absolutely. The country did not vote

:28:23. > :28:26.for a hard Brexit. This is based on my experience of having knocked on

:28:27. > :28:30.the literally thousands of dollars, actually since February. I have

:28:31. > :28:39.listened to a lot of people, and the idea of a hard Brexit, people didn't

:28:40. > :28:44.like that. It's one of the reasons we haven't won this election. They

:28:45. > :28:48.accept we are leaving, I accept it, but we want to get the best deal and

:28:49. > :28:53.she must not turn her back on British business as I'm afraid she

:28:54. > :28:57.has. She's got to listen to British business and Philip Hammond, she's

:28:58. > :29:01.got to listen to Greg Clark. Wise owls who know what British business

:29:02. > :29:06.once and they want that single market and they also wanted proper

:29:07. > :29:10.immigration policy that recognises we need immigrants and free movement

:29:11. > :29:16.in order for British business to continue to flourish.

:29:17. > :29:23.She has to at least listen to these things, and she hasn't in the past.

:29:24. > :29:28.Is that what Ruth Davidson, leader of the Scottish Conservatives, about

:29:29. > :29:33.the only Conservative to emerge with credit on Thursday, is that what she

:29:34. > :29:37.means? We should remain members of the single market, remain in the

:29:38. > :29:41.customs union and put the economy before immigration. Is that what you

:29:42. > :29:47.are talking about? Absolutely. And I always have. And in my literature I

:29:48. > :29:51.made it very clear I would continue to make the case for the single

:29:52. > :29:56.market and positive benefits of immigration. Although my majority

:29:57. > :30:01.was reduced, I put on 1800 more votes. It's not about me, obviously,

:30:02. > :30:05.it's about me being a Conservative, but I made my position clear and I

:30:06. > :30:10.have not faulted on that. Turning our back on the customs union in

:30:11. > :30:14.particular is the stuff of madness. The single market sees off the

:30:15. > :30:18.Nationalists and their desire for a second referendum, although the

:30:19. > :30:22.mighty Ruth Davidson is already done that with her remarkable result in

:30:23. > :30:26.Scotland, but it would also solve the problem with Ireland. Don't you

:30:27. > :30:32.risk reopening all those Tory divisions over Europe on this? I

:30:33. > :30:37.haven't. You have held these views for a long time. There are 20 of

:30:38. > :30:44.other, probably more Tories, who want what you call a hard Brexit. --

:30:45. > :30:50.plenty of other. It's what the people want. But you don't have a

:30:51. > :30:53.majority. At this election the people have spoken and they have

:30:54. > :30:58.rejected the hard Brexit. I think we can all agree on that. That doesn't

:30:59. > :31:03.mean to say we are not leaving the EU, we will leave the EU, and I

:31:04. > :31:08.believe even people who voted to remain accept we are leaving. I

:31:09. > :31:14.found very few angry Remainers on the doorsteps. People accept the

:31:15. > :31:18.result, but they do not want a hard Brexit. That's the message coming

:31:19. > :31:22.out from this and I hope Theresa May gets that. If she does, then she has

:31:23. > :31:28.to build the con census. There's nothing to stop her working with

:31:29. > :31:33.sensible people in the Labour Party, who also accept the referendum

:31:34. > :31:37.result, no we will be leaving the EU, and know we have to get the best

:31:38. > :31:41.deal, and we can't close our minds on the single market and Customs

:31:42. > :31:46.union. What are the bits of the Tory manifesto you will now have to drop

:31:47. > :31:50.to keep your new bedfellows happy in the DUP? I don't think we have

:31:51. > :31:56.reached a deal yet with the DUP. But that is the aim. Apparently it's the

:31:57. > :32:01.aim. I will tell you now, Andrew, you probably know far more than I

:32:02. > :32:09.do. I get on well with a number of members of the DUP. I don't like a

:32:10. > :32:13.lot of their policies on abortion, gay and lesbian issues, I completely

:32:14. > :32:17.disagree with them, but if we can put those issues aside and put the

:32:18. > :32:25.focus on making a stable government and putting the national interest

:32:26. > :32:32.first, we might well make strides forward. Many people have been

:32:33. > :32:38.talking about public services and public sector pay, but we have to do

:32:39. > :32:42.recognise that at the same time we are going into choppy economic

:32:43. > :32:46.waters, and that's why I think it's so important Theresa May listens to

:32:47. > :32:50.Philip Hammond and puts him much more at the core and front of this

:32:51. > :32:54.government. It's the economy that matters more than anything else.

:32:55. > :32:59.That's one of the spectacular failings of the campaign. The issue

:33:00. > :33:04.that was hardly mentioned during the campaign. Never mentioned it. Anna

:33:05. > :33:07.Soubry, we will leave it there. After Theresa May had been to see

:33:08. > :33:10.the Queen at Buckingham Palace on Friday she made a brief statement on

:33:11. > :33:15.Friday. We can remind ourselves what she said.

:33:16. > :33:17.We will continue to work with our friends and allies,

:33:18. > :33:19.in the Democratic Unionist Party in particular.

:33:20. > :33:21.Our two parties have enjoyed a strong relationship over many

:33:22. > :33:23.years, and this gives me the confidence to believe

:33:24. > :33:26.that we will be able to work together in the interests

:33:27. > :33:30.This will allow us to come together as a country

:33:31. > :33:35.and channel our energies towards a successful

:33:36. > :33:39.Brexit deal that works for everyone in this country.

:33:40. > :33:43.Securing a new partnership with the EU that guarantees our

:33:44. > :33:48.That's what people voted for last June, that's what we will deliver.

:33:49. > :34:02.I've been joined by the Conservative MP Dominic Raab -

:34:03. > :34:05.a former government minister who's been tipped for a return in Theresa

:34:06. > :34:14.We shall see. Welcome to the programme. Her two most senior

:34:15. > :34:18.advisers have fallen on their swords. Most of the Cabinet has gone

:34:19. > :34:23.to ground since the result. Could Theresa May be any more isolated? I

:34:24. > :34:25.don't think that's true. You have three Cabinet ministers doing

:34:26. > :34:29.television this morning. We are in the middle of a reshuffle, so you

:34:30. > :34:33.wouldn't expect them all to be out on the airwaves, and we also in the

:34:34. > :34:37.business of hammering out the detail on the supply and confidence

:34:38. > :34:43.arrangement with the DUP. Where are we on that? On the question of Chief

:34:44. > :34:48.of staff, a new appointment has been made, Gavin Barwell, I know him

:34:49. > :34:50.well, a smart policy guide and also very sensitive on the political

:34:51. > :34:57.radar and that shows we are moving forward. It was forced on her. I

:34:58. > :35:04.think they did the honourable thing. The two aids that fell on their

:35:05. > :35:07.sword? Yes. The key point is, looking forward, which we have to

:35:08. > :35:11.do, we had the outcome of the election and the people have spoken

:35:12. > :35:17.and we have to make the best of it. Gavin Barwell is an important

:35:18. > :35:20.appointment. Conservative MPs across-the-board know, respect and

:35:21. > :35:25.trust him. Nobody in the country has heard of him, but maybe that doesn't

:35:26. > :35:30.matter. How many had heard of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill before they

:35:31. > :35:33.were appointed? They do now. Do you agree with Anna Soubry that Theresa

:35:34. > :35:40.May is no more than a caretaker Prime Minister now? I don't.

:35:41. > :35:44.Emotions are way up. But we still won the most votes and most seats.

:35:45. > :35:50.My reading from talking to MPs across-the-board is the overwhelming

:35:51. > :35:53.majority want to see Theresa May continue in office. As a matter of

:35:54. > :35:57.necessity, the people have spoken, and we have to respect what the

:35:58. > :36:01.people have decided, so we will do this supply and confidence

:36:02. > :36:03.arrangement with the DUP. There are strong areas of overlap but we don't

:36:04. > :36:07.agree on everything. The key thing is to give the country certainty and

:36:08. > :36:11.direction moving forward. That's the only viable option and people are

:36:12. > :36:15.rallying behind that. Not all. George Osborne said this morning on

:36:16. > :36:25.the BBC that Mrs May was a dead woman walking. He has made the

:36:26. > :36:28.transition from Conservative MP to mischievous journalist with ease.

:36:29. > :36:32.Most MPs when they listen to that will think it's disloyal,

:36:33. > :36:35.unprofessional and frankly pretty self-indulgent. In reality I think

:36:36. > :36:42.it will shore up support among a lot of MPs for Theresa May. What went

:36:43. > :36:45.wrong? I'm not going to candy coat, sugar-coat the result here. We did

:36:46. > :36:54.far worse than expected and we need to figure out the lessons to learn.

:36:55. > :36:57.I know it went wrong, but why? There isn't anyone thing. You have to take

:36:58. > :37:01.time to learn the lessons. We need to show some humility about the

:37:02. > :37:04.result. Nick Timothy has written a column that touches on some of the

:37:05. > :37:08.issues from his perspective. To be honest with you, I'm focused now, I

:37:09. > :37:12.missed all the drama and disappointment of not getting the

:37:13. > :37:17.result we wanted, focus on the facts. We got 56 more seats than the

:37:18. > :37:20.Labour Party and we are the only ones who can put together a

:37:21. > :37:24.legitimate parliament that can also be affected, passing a judgment and

:37:25. > :37:29.pass legislation, however tricky it may be. That remains to be seen, you

:37:30. > :37:33.might not be able to do that. We are the only ones, with the DUP, who

:37:34. > :37:35.could form a viable and effective government that would reflect

:37:36. > :37:42.legitimately the outcome of the election and we will focus 100% on

:37:43. > :37:44.that. Let's do that. Mrs May promised strength and stability. We

:37:45. > :37:50.now have a hung parliament and she is dependent on the DUP for the

:37:51. > :37:54.slimmest of majorities. There is nothing strong and stable about

:37:55. > :37:59.that. I have said to you, I will not tell you this result is the one we

:38:00. > :38:02.wanted. We are disappointed. It's not strong and stable. It can still

:38:03. > :38:07.be effective. It's also the only outcome that can respect and be

:38:08. > :38:10.legitimate of the outcome of the election. At the end of the day, we

:38:11. > :38:14.had campaigning, we can differ on the opinions, but the facts and

:38:15. > :38:17.parliamentary arithmetic is there. The only way we can have an

:38:18. > :38:20.effective government of any time that Del Paso budget is the

:38:21. > :38:25.Conservatives with the support of the DUP. To do that you'll have to

:38:26. > :38:29.make compromises you would not have to do make if you had won a

:38:30. > :38:33.substantial majority. What part of the manifesto will have to go to get

:38:34. > :38:37.a budget and a confidence motion through? 48 hours after the election

:38:38. > :38:42.I can't answer that definitively. What we do have to do, every MP,

:38:43. > :38:47.whatever part of the country they were elected, has to deliver as best

:38:48. > :38:51.can be manifesto commitments. At the same time, that's what the country

:38:52. > :38:55.expects. At the same time we had forced on us the need to be

:38:56. > :38:58.flexible. The people didn't vote for your manifesto in the end. Something

:38:59. > :39:01.has to go. The triple lock for pensioners that you were going to

:39:02. > :39:08.change, the DUP is in favour of the triple lock. Does that bit of the

:39:09. > :39:12.manifesto go? You can ask me any aspect of the manifesto, we'll know

:39:13. > :39:16.more answers the detail next week. You were on our programmes more than

:39:17. > :39:21.any Cabinet minister. You will be drafted back in. You should know. I

:39:22. > :39:27.don't bet too much money on the tittle tattle in the media. We have

:39:28. > :39:31.the outline of the supply and confidence arrangement with the DUP.

:39:32. > :39:37.We are hammering out the details. Next week we will publish the

:39:38. > :39:41.details. What about social care? You asking me about different points in

:39:42. > :39:45.a manifesto but you know I can't answer that question until... I want

:39:46. > :39:49.to deliver as much of the manifesto as possible. You don't have a

:39:50. > :39:54.mandate to do that. That's because we've got... The Queen's speech is

:39:55. > :40:01.only a week away, a week tomorrow. You are trying to work out what

:40:02. > :40:05.parts, Labour lost, but you didn't win, and I'm trying to work out how

:40:06. > :40:09.you just said we will have to comprise and make changes. It's

:40:10. > :40:13.legitimate to ask which parts... I'm explaining I don't have the answers

:40:14. > :40:16.on the detail because until we have formed the supply and confidence

:40:17. > :40:20.arrangement with the DUP, we will not have those details. My starting

:40:21. > :40:23.point is that we deliver as much of the manifesto as we conceivably can.

:40:24. > :40:27.That's what the country expects because that's what they are elected

:40:28. > :40:31.us to do. They have given us their verdict, we need to respect the

:40:32. > :40:33.outcome of the election and we will not do it in the same way will as if

:40:34. > :40:40.we had a stonking majority, obviously. The result has given a

:40:41. > :40:45.kind of new spring in the step of politicians who wanted to remain in

:40:46. > :40:49.the European Union. What do you make, and we heard Anna Soubry, and

:40:50. > :40:54.many others have said it as well, that you need to reconsider your

:40:55. > :40:59.Brexit stands, and in their language community soften your Brexit stands.

:41:00. > :41:02.Whether you are a Scottish, Welsh or English MP, elected to Parliament

:41:03. > :41:07.behind me on the basis of a manifesto that sets out in great

:41:08. > :41:11.detail, a 75 page white Paper, the approach to Brexit. All this talk of

:41:12. > :41:18.hard Brexit, our ambition is to get the best possible deal we can with

:41:19. > :41:21.our EU partners. Do you change your stands because you didn't get a

:41:22. > :41:25.majority for your Brexit position. Do you follow the advice of Ruth

:41:26. > :41:29.Davidson, who talked of an open Brexit, framing a new Brexit

:41:30. > :41:34.strategy? Hard and soft Brexit, I don't know exactly what Ruth means

:41:35. > :41:39.by that. But she did a great job in Scotland. But every MP was elected

:41:40. > :41:43.on our manifesto. We will deliver the plans of that manifesto as best

:41:44. > :41:49.we can, including and especially on Brexit. Just a point of fact,

:41:50. > :41:55.obviously be Conservative number of votes went up, Labour effectively...

:41:56. > :41:59.The vote share went up, but we lost seats, but we are 56 seats ahead of

:42:00. > :42:02.the Labour Party. The Labour Party effectively endorsed the leave the

:42:03. > :42:10.EU strategy we set out and they didn't offer a alternative. So no

:42:11. > :42:14.change on the Brexit strategy? And the anti-Brexit parties, the SNP and

:42:15. > :42:17.Lib Dem, both suffered a fall in their vote share. The country has

:42:18. > :42:23.said they want us to make a success of Brexit. So no change? The plans

:42:24. > :42:27.in the White Paper set out are the right ones and the voters expect us

:42:28. > :42:33.to deliver on the manifesto we ran on, whether you are a Scottish,

:42:34. > :42:37.English or Welsh MP. I can hear your helicopter arriving to whisk you off

:42:38. > :42:41.to the wry ministerial meeting. Let us know what job you get. Viewers in

:42:42. > :42:44.Scotland will leave us for Sunday Politics Scotland now. Jeremy

:42:45. > :42:47.Corbyn... Jeremy Corbyn may have

:42:48. > :42:49.lost the election, but he's clearly cock-a-hoop

:42:50. > :42:51.with the big increase in Labour's share of the vote and

:42:52. > :42:53.the nmber of Labour On Friday he called

:42:54. > :42:57.on Theresa May to resign, and said he was ready to govern

:42:58. > :43:02.the country as a minority Speaking this morning, the Labour

:43:03. > :43:08.leader said he thought there could be another election in the near

:43:09. > :43:11.future. I think it's quite possible that there will be an election later

:43:12. > :43:16.this year or early next year. And that might be a good thing, because

:43:17. > :43:20.we cannot go on with a period of great instability. We have a

:43:21. > :43:24.programme, we have the support, and we are ready to fight another

:43:25. > :43:28.election campaign as soon as may be because you want to be able to serve

:43:29. > :43:32.the people of this country on the agenda we put forward, which is

:43:33. > :43:38.transformative, and has gained amazing levels of support. People

:43:39. > :43:42.say, hang on, why are my children worse off than we are, why are my

:43:43. > :43:46.grandchildren? This election wasn't just about Brexit, there was

:43:47. > :43:47.something different about it. It was challenging the economic consensus

:43:48. > :43:51.that has impoverished Sony people. The Labour

:43:52. > :43:52.leader speaking earlier this morning.

:43:53. > :43:59.We've been joined by the Shadow Health Secretary, Jon Ashworth.

:44:00. > :44:06.A lot of Labour people have been behaving as if you have won this

:44:07. > :44:11.election, can I point out you have lost three in a row?

:44:12. > :44:21.Yes, but undoubtedly momentum is with us, and momentum is important

:44:22. > :44:25.in politics. It looks like they got the young vote out and that's why

:44:26. > :44:31.you did better-than-expected. The young vote certainly came out for

:44:32. > :44:35.Labour. I found on my part of the world Tory voters switching to

:44:36. > :44:42.Labour over things like the dementia tax, but I also think Ukip

:44:43. > :44:48.supporters voted heavily for Labour because we wanted to invest heavily

:44:49. > :44:53.in the NHS and schools, and people are fed up of cuts to public

:44:54. > :45:00.services and the austerity agenda. So it was a good manifesto? You were

:45:01. > :45:05.happy with it? Yes, I was part of putting it together. You would be

:45:06. > :45:10.happy to fight another election based on that manifesto? Yes, I put

:45:11. > :45:15.together the health section of that manifesto, which gives nurses and

:45:16. > :45:20.midwives of the pay rise, I'm very happy with that manifesto. And yet,

:45:21. > :45:25.you have this manifesto you were happy with, you will rub against a

:45:26. > :45:28.Prime Minister who wanted to fight a personality led presidential

:45:29. > :45:32.campaign, it then turned out the British people didn't think she had

:45:33. > :45:37.much personality and wasn't presidential in nature. You had

:45:38. > :45:45.momentum and you ended up winning no more seats than Gordon Brown in the

:45:46. > :45:49.collection of 2010. Given where we were seven weeks ago, I looked at

:45:50. > :45:55.the opinion polls and thought crikey, this could not be a good

:45:56. > :45:58.result for Labour potentially. Theresa May thought she would have a

:45:59. > :46:04.landslide victory and that's why she put her party first in going for

:46:05. > :46:07.this snap election, and undoubtedly this campaign changed things. I

:46:08. > :46:12.think the key moment was the manifesto week when the Labour Party

:46:13. > :46:17.but forward proposed policies to the country which excited many people,

:46:18. > :46:20.and the Tory party came forward with the dementia tax, getting rid of the

:46:21. > :46:26.winter fuel payment, I think that was a turning point in the election.

:46:27. > :46:31.What does Mr Corbyn do now? When I spoke to Ken Livingstone on Friday

:46:32. > :46:36.he said we did so well on a socialist manifesto, we need more of

:46:37. > :46:41.this. We need more socialism and we will do even better. Is that the

:46:42. > :46:46.lesson Jeremy Corbyn will take or try to reach out more to the centre

:46:47. > :46:51.of his party, now his position is unassailable does he try to reach

:46:52. > :46:55.out beyond his own group? I think there is broad unity and the whole

:46:56. > :46:59.party will come together to take on the Conservatives, who now have a

:47:00. > :47:10.huge problem in Parliament. They can only offer a weak and unstable

:47:11. > :47:13.government. She's trying to cobble together this supply and confidence

:47:14. > :47:16.agreement with the DUP which means all of the decisions in Parliament

:47:17. > :47:26.will be taken on a case-by-case basis. It isn't just the votes on

:47:27. > :47:29.the floor of the House, all of is the statutory instruments will rely

:47:30. > :47:34.on the support of the DUP. She will not be able to guarantee she can get

:47:35. > :47:38.her programme through. We are likely to sue the Government collapse or

:47:39. > :47:41.have a zombie Parliament where we are not debating and voting on

:47:42. > :47:46.legislation because she knows she cannot get it through. If that's the

:47:47. > :47:50.case, even if she puts together a deal with the DUP and it gets off

:47:51. > :47:54.the ground but runs into the kind of difficulties you quite rightly say

:47:55. > :48:00.are possible, and she cannot continue, should Mr Corbyn try to

:48:01. > :48:04.form a minority government? I think so, I think we should try to put our

:48:05. > :48:11.programme of getting rid of tuition fees, investing in the NHS, and ask

:48:12. > :48:14.the other parties to support us. I'm anticipating your next question

:48:15. > :48:18.which is what happens if that doesn't work, well then we are

:48:19. > :48:21.probably heading to another general election at some point. I cannot

:48:22. > :48:25.seem Theresa May surviving as the Prime Minister for the rest of this

:48:26. > :48:31.Parliament for another five days to be frank but who knows. It's likely

:48:32. > :48:35.that you think Mrs May cannot make this work, she can start to make it

:48:36. > :48:40.work but as time goes on it could become more difficult, that Labour

:48:41. > :48:43.could try to form a minority government but given that the

:48:44. > :48:50.Parliamentary arithmetic is not great for her, it is much worse for

:48:51. > :49:00.you, that it may not work? Yes, but you have a responsibility to try and

:49:01. > :49:02.to challenge the other parties to support us honour policies of

:49:03. > :49:08.investing in the NHS, investing in childcare, so that will be a

:49:09. > :49:12.challenge for us but if the Conservatives cannot form a

:49:13. > :49:16.government we would have to take up that responsibility. John McDonnell,

:49:17. > :49:21.the Shadow Chancellor, said to me during the campaign there would be

:49:22. > :49:36.no deals. You don't have to have deals. As I said to him, we have all

:49:37. > :49:39.seen Borgen! They require deals, you have got to give them something. But

:49:40. > :49:48.when you have an minority government, challenging MPs on the

:49:49. > :49:51.other side to support new... My voters in Leicester South were not

:49:52. > :49:55.invited to make a judgment on the DUP manifesto and yet we could have

:49:56. > :49:59.a Conservative government propped up by the time being by the DUP, even

:50:00. > :50:09.though that will have a huge impact on the peace process. I think it is

:50:10. > :50:11.a different arrangement. A minority Labour government wouldn't

:50:12. > :50:17.necessarily rule out getting support from the DUP, they might need it? If

:50:18. > :50:22.they vote for us, everyone will see it because it will be transparent in

:50:23. > :50:27.the way they vote. It does seem we are in for a period of instability

:50:28. > :50:30.in British politics, that is the outcome of this election, and

:50:31. > :50:35.usually when that happens it leads to a second election quite quickly.

:50:36. > :50:40.It could lead to that, and it is ironic given the Tories promised a

:50:41. > :50:44.strong and stable government, and the chaos she warned of is actually

:50:45. > :50:49.chaos in the Tory party, but look at the number of seats in play at the

:50:50. > :50:53.next election now. It will be a Labour Tory stand-off and as a whole

:50:54. > :50:58.range of seats now with Tory majorities of a few hundred which

:50:59. > :51:03.Labour is targeting. Seats which based on the 2015 result we didn't

:51:04. > :51:07.think we could win. And Scotland is in play for Labour again, and it is

:51:08. > :51:12.Scottish MPs sustaining Theresa May in Government at the moment. The

:51:13. > :51:18.message in Scotland will be, if you want a Labour government, both

:51:19. > :51:19.Labour. I bet you never thought you would say that, but let's leave it

:51:20. > :51:31.there. Hello and welcome to Sunday Politics

:51:32. > :51:33.in Northern Ireland. And we find ourselves

:51:34. > :51:36.slap bang in the middle the attempts by Theresa May to form

:51:37. > :51:40.a minority government. So what will the deal,

:51:41. > :51:45.if there is one, look like? The DUP says it's not

:51:46. > :51:47.in a position to take part so talking about that

:51:48. > :51:50.potential agreement, plus their own election

:51:51. > :51:51.performances, are representatives

:51:52. > :51:53.from Sinn Fein, the SDLP, We'll also have analysis

:51:54. > :52:00.from Stephen Walker in London and Allison Morris and

:52:01. > :52:01.Newton Emerson will be joining me in studio later

:52:02. > :52:03.to share their thoughts a remarkable few days

:52:04. > :52:16.of political upheaval. and try to work out how precisely

:52:17. > :52:20.we got to where we are, there's also the big question

:52:21. > :52:23.about where we might be going. We know the Conservative Chief Whip

:52:24. > :52:26.spent yesterday in Belfast Meantime in Westminster,

:52:27. > :52:31.fears have been expressed about the DUP's approach to social

:52:32. > :52:35.and moral issues. Here's our Political

:52:36. > :52:50.Correspondent, Gareth Gordon. Theresa May has never been exactly

:52:51. > :52:55.noted for her interest in Northern Ireland, but all of that appears to

:52:56. > :52:59.have changed, and in a big way. This foray into East Belfast last week

:53:00. > :53:09.brought her part the not so princely sum of 446 votes. But the DUP gives

:53:10. > :53:12.political salvation for now. At what price? They are tough. They are

:53:13. > :53:16.going to dry a very hard bargain and, like the 27 leaders in Europe,

:53:17. > :53:19.they have seen they are not dealing with somebody strong and stable,

:53:20. > :53:23.they are dealing with somebody who caves. They are going to have her

:53:24. > :53:33.around their little finger and, frankly, they have already got there

:53:34. > :53:37.by the speed with which she has done this today. The former spin doctor

:53:38. > :53:39.was speaking from experience of the DUP. Others are downright hostile.

:53:40. > :53:42.We have the party like the DUP, which is anti-same-sex marriage,

:53:43. > :53:45.which denies climate change, at the forefront of British politics, and I

:53:46. > :53:49.am absolutely petrified at the prospect of such a coalition of

:53:50. > :53:56.chaos. Similar views were expressed at a protest in London yesterday.

:53:57. > :54:02.DUP has got to go! Racist, sexist, anti-gay! But this former junior

:54:03. > :54:06.minister says those views of the party are out of date. A caricature

:54:07. > :54:11.of a party that may have existed 30 years ago. In the last ten years,

:54:12. > :54:13.the book as has been on growing the economy, growing our tourism

:54:14. > :54:17.industry. We have held a department in the past that has helped us get

:54:18. > :54:21.the record levels of FDI, grow tourism and get major international

:54:22. > :54:24.events and I think that is where the focus of the modern DUP years.

:54:25. > :54:34.Concerns have already been expressed to Theresa May the leader of the

:54:35. > :54:37.Scottish Conservatives, who is gay and thin plans to marry her partner.

:54:38. > :54:39.I was fairly straightforward weather. I told her there is a

:54:40. > :54:42.number of things that count to me more than party. One of them is

:54:43. > :54:45.country, one of the others is LGBT rates. I asked for a categoric

:54:46. > :54:48.assurance that there would be, if any deal or scoping deal with done

:54:49. > :54:55.with the DUP, there would be absolutely no retention of LGBT

:54:56. > :54:58.rates in the rest of the UK and Great Britain and that we would try

:54:59. > :55:02.to use any influence that we had to advance those rights in Northern

:55:03. > :55:08.Ireland. You don't have to go to Britain to find sceptics about the

:55:09. > :55:12.DUP conservative deal. Oh mixed views on Carrick Vargas yesterday

:55:13. > :55:16.but they are remembered King Billy's arrival in Ireland before the Battle

:55:17. > :55:19.of the Boyne. It is particularly. Lots of English voters do not know

:55:20. > :55:24.what they have let themselves and four. It is a good thing. If it will

:55:25. > :55:30.help the country, I do not why not. I would love to hope and pray that

:55:31. > :55:34.the DUP can go and get things for us, but can we get Stormont up and

:55:35. > :55:39.running again please, local politicians? Just work together for

:55:40. > :55:43.once, would you, please? The DUP Masie Theresa May's skin, but could

:55:44. > :55:49.the price be the end of devolution at Stormont? Talks aimed at

:55:50. > :55:53.restoring power-sharing are due to resume tomorrow. What impact it

:55:54. > :55:56.enabled the DUP had been conservative deal had on them? The

:55:57. > :55:59.British government has made a mistake, even in the recent past, of

:56:00. > :56:04.siding with the DUP and holding up progress, preventing us reaching an

:56:05. > :56:07.agreement on real power-sharing. As the British government wants to try

:56:08. > :56:11.to unite with the DUP to turn back the clock, the mandate we received

:56:12. > :56:14.on Thursday to make sure we do not allow anybody to turn back the clock

:56:15. > :56:19.to the bus but instead continue to make progress. The fact that

:56:20. > :56:22.potentially the DUP will be the Conservatives' government partners

:56:23. > :56:26.asks very major questions about their ability to be an independent

:56:27. > :56:30.guarantor of the agreement, or any of the processes here. Talks to

:56:31. > :56:34.restore Stormont are no longer the biggest item on the DUP's in trade.

:56:35. > :56:36.Devolution may have to wait. To discuss, we have

:56:37. > :56:40.Mairtin O'Muilleoir from Sinn Fein. And Stephen Farry from

:56:41. > :56:46.the Alliance party. The DUP said it wasn't

:56:47. > :56:48.in a position to put anyone

:56:49. > :57:01.forward for the programme. We're going to talk about the deal

:57:02. > :57:02.between the DUP and the Tories, of course.

:57:03. > :57:04.Mairtin O'Muilleoir, that report ended with you warning

:57:05. > :57:05.about the Conservatives hindering a deal

:57:06. > :57:07.between the DUP and Sinn Fein at Stormont.

:57:08. > :57:09.The talks are supposed to start tomorrow.

:57:10. > :57:18.Well, Sinn Fein will be at Stormont tomorrow. As you know, all of the

:57:19. > :57:22.issues around agreement at Stormont could be sorted out expeditiously,

:57:23. > :57:25.but I do think this new coalition, weather a coalition of chaos or

:57:26. > :57:29.whatever, between the DUP and Tories will mean an assault on issues of

:57:30. > :57:36.rates, respect and it will make a deal harder. There will be a price

:57:37. > :57:40.to pay. The Tories are still wedded to austerity. As the DUP? Sir

:57:41. > :57:46.Michael Farren, the Defence Secretary, a senior defence sector,

:57:47. > :57:49.has said the deal will be about the DUP's support in government on big

:57:50. > :57:52.economic and security issues. A lot of these things that people are

:57:53. > :57:56.talking about expressing concerns about are not actually part of any

:57:57. > :57:59.agreement being discussed. Of course, the DUP and Tories have not

:58:00. > :58:07.spell out the nature of the deal yet. There has been a bit of a

:58:08. > :58:10.wobble. Fallon spelt that out. Yesterday were told there was a deal

:58:11. > :58:13.and now it is so and process because there's been a backlash from the

:58:14. > :58:16.British people. It will end in tears but how long will it last? Will it

:58:17. > :58:19.all because the British people say they do not want to have a coalition

:58:20. > :58:26.with a party which is anti-gay, and he respect, and the Irish language?

:58:27. > :58:32.In all stanzas, the DUP is more in 1977 than it I really do think the

:58:33. > :58:35.British people and media are asking why we are getting into bed with an

:58:36. > :58:40.organisation which in the last election was endorsed by the UDA,

:58:41. > :58:46.UBS, the red hand commando. Theresa May warned about extremism in

:58:47. > :58:49.politics and now performing a... You know that members of that party said

:58:50. > :58:53.they did not want that endorsement. The MP for South Belfast is still

:58:54. > :58:59.not renounced that endorsement and neither has the leader. Nicola,

:59:00. > :59:02.Charlie Flanagan, the public's Minister for foreign affairs, has

:59:03. > :59:05.said that the objectivity of both the British and Irish governments is

:59:06. > :59:08.key as far as the Stormont negotiations are concerned. What is

:59:09. > :59:11.your understanding? Or, to the wider issue about that relationship

:59:12. > :59:14.between the Tories and the DUP and what that might mean for the

:59:15. > :59:17.governance of the UK any moment, but in terms of its implications for

:59:18. > :59:21.politics here in Northern Ireland, at Stormont, what is your reading of

:59:22. > :59:29.where we are? It is very serious, Mark. The SDLP were clear at the

:59:30. > :59:32.beginning of the first round of talks that the secretary of state

:59:33. > :59:34.could not be accepted as an honest broker, particularly when it came to

:59:35. > :59:37.the past. The British government are expected to be called guarantors of

:59:38. > :59:40.the Good Friday Agreement. We expressed that concern. That was

:59:41. > :59:46.then, and the situation... It has got even worse. Our first task is to

:59:47. > :59:49.agree on an impartial jury. That needs to be neither side of business

:59:50. > :59:53.first thing tomorrow morning. But it must not be allowed to run on and be

:59:54. > :59:57.used as an excuse for not getting down to dogs and not getting the

:59:58. > :00:03.institutions and running. I am sorry to raise the phrase red line, but is

:00:04. > :00:10.that a line in the sand as far as you're concerned? There has to be an

:00:11. > :00:13.independent doctor present? Anybody with in a sense looking at the

:00:14. > :00:15.situation would realise that needs to happen. How can you have a

:00:16. > :00:20.Secretary of State sitting at the table as an honest broker when they

:00:21. > :00:22.are actually in understanding or agreement or arrangement, because

:00:23. > :00:26.you're still not quite sure, with one of the parties round the table,

:00:27. > :00:29.while also having the duty and responsibility of being a co-current

:00:30. > :00:33.order of the Good Friday Agreement? It is not possible and anybody that

:00:34. > :00:36.pretend otherwise is ludicrous. Do you accept that the situation has

:00:37. > :00:46.changed? You might not have felt that before, but the accepted means

:00:47. > :00:48.to be the case now? We are in a completely unique and different

:00:49. > :00:50.situation. This is a very fluid and movable piece at the moment. I think

:00:51. > :00:54.the main action initially will continue to be at Westminster. Yes,

:00:55. > :00:57.we will come under that, I promise, any moment or two, but as far as

:00:58. > :01:01.Stormont is concerned, will your talks team be turning up to Stormont

:01:02. > :01:04.tomorrow to begin that three-week process? The Ulster Unionists will

:01:05. > :01:11.be at Stormont tomorrow and hoping I'm expecting to see progress in

:01:12. > :01:17.getting the Stormont institutions back up and running again. But are

:01:18. > :01:22.you satisfied? That is what you want, that is what you see people

:01:23. > :01:25.want, but you satisfied that a Secretary of State for Northern

:01:26. > :01:28.Ireland will be able to demonstrate the kind of independence and

:01:29. > :01:32.objectivity that would be required to reach an agreement between all

:01:33. > :01:37.the parties? The Secretary of State, and indeed the Prime Minister, have

:01:38. > :01:40.made no secret of their own news and views.

:01:41. > :01:46.They are strongly prounion. But it is a different scenario now. We

:01:47. > :01:50.welcome that the board. It is a fact of life that they have the

:01:51. > :01:53.responsibility to administer the political affairs of Northern

:01:54. > :01:58.Ireland. But they would be in bed with the DUP. It is a completely

:01:59. > :02:01.different scenario. We are in a very fluid situation. Let's see what

:02:02. > :02:07.happens at Westminster, if a deal can be brought together, and let's

:02:08. > :02:12.also see then what repercussions it has potentially for Stormont. Where

:02:13. > :02:18.you stand on a British Secretary of State 's objectivity, Stephen? There

:02:19. > :02:21.is no a massive problem. Things were difficult before hand but he cannot

:02:22. > :02:26.be objective in this contact any longer. And any circumstances?, even

:02:27. > :02:29.if they go out and try to save water to be impartial mediators and try to

:02:30. > :02:32.decouple what has happened in Westminster from Northern Ireland,

:02:33. > :02:36.the reality is that a difficult decision as to be taken, whether now

:02:37. > :02:40.or in six months. The Conservative Secretary of State, the UK

:02:41. > :02:44.Government, will have one hand tied behind our back because if they push

:02:45. > :02:46.the DUP into any issue, as they annoy them, the DUP will pull the

:02:47. > :02:49.plug on whatever arrangement they have and the thing will come

:02:50. > :02:53.crashing down. You're going to have to get over that. The facts of life

:02:54. > :03:01.are it is the Conservative administration. It may well have the

:03:02. > :03:03.support of the DUP, but it is a Conservative and Unionist and just

:03:04. > :03:06.it. But surely the point is that if it comes to it, when undercooked --

:03:07. > :03:09.normal circumstances the secretary of state would be pressuring the DUP

:03:10. > :03:13.to agree to something that is not particularly keen about, the DUP

:03:14. > :03:17.will tell it to get stuff? Those are the challenges. The alternative, of

:03:18. > :03:21.course, to the DUP is to potentially hand the keys of Downing Street to

:03:22. > :03:26.Germany Corbin. Not many unionists in Northern Ireland... The maths

:03:27. > :03:30.won't let that happen. They can trigger an early general election.

:03:31. > :03:34.The Conservative Party, in theory, can run on minority administration

:03:35. > :03:39.and seek allies across the spectrum on different issues as they come

:03:40. > :03:43.along, in particular as they were to pursue a more pragmatic approach to

:03:44. > :03:47.a softer Brexit and forego what they the manifesto, they might find

:03:48. > :03:50.support elsewhere in the House of Commons on different issues. They do

:03:51. > :03:54.not need to do is cause a one-on-one deal with the DUP for stability, in

:03:55. > :03:58.terms of the UK. If they want to, you cannot stop them. They cannot

:03:59. > :04:00.stop them from doing that but the repercussions for Northern Ireland

:04:01. > :04:08.are potentially severe. Do you think the prospect of a

:04:09. > :04:13.restoration of devolution instalment are further away than ever? They are

:04:14. > :04:15.more difficult, not impossible. I wouldn't want to rule it out but

:04:16. > :04:22.there are two particular challenges. We have Sinn Fein is in a stronger

:04:23. > :04:28.position, but further apart from the DUP than we've seen in the past.

:04:29. > :04:31.Also, the sharing of independence, in terms of governance, one of the

:04:32. > :04:35.key partners in a potential coalition has an in-built advantage

:04:36. > :04:42.which outweighs that of the other parties, we don't have that proper

:04:43. > :04:47.equilibrium. Those of us who've never seen the British Government is

:04:48. > :04:52.independent in these matters are not surprised at all by this formal

:04:53. > :04:56.coalition. The British Government has been a player here. We've never

:04:57. > :04:59.said we would accept the independence of the Secretary of

:05:00. > :05:04.State. Do you agree it is certainly more difficult but not impossible to

:05:05. > :05:11.reach a deal? What I do believe is the British Government of finding a

:05:12. > :05:17.deal when the talks were sabotaged by the calling of an election force

:05:18. > :05:23.of the British Government has never been a passer-by or someone who is

:05:24. > :05:29.just spectating. The Stormont has agreement and legacy failed because

:05:30. > :05:45.the British Governor grenade, -- Renate. -- act out. -- backed out.

:05:46. > :05:48.Of course it changes. But the non-unionist... No, no, no... The

:05:49. > :05:54.non-unionist parties have to get over the fact, including Sinn Fein

:05:55. > :05:59.and SDLP... They have to get over the political fact of life that the

:06:00. > :06:02.Conservative Government re-elected, possibly with the assistance of a

:06:03. > :06:14.Democratic Unionist party, that is the situation... It answers to the

:06:15. > :06:17.DUP tumour. Your former party leader said yesterday it wouldn't be a good

:06:18. > :06:24.idea for the UK Government to be dependent on any regional party. We

:06:25. > :06:27.have yet to see the detail. Lets see because overnight... He said

:06:28. > :06:31.Conservative backbenchers will not want to be held to ransom by the

:06:32. > :06:36.DUP. That's properly correct but there is a case of political need

:06:37. > :06:42.for the current Prime Minister. We are in a desperate situation, there

:06:43. > :06:46.appears to be some nervousness on behalf of the DUP overnight so let's

:06:47. > :06:52.see where this takes us over the next couple of days. Danny is making

:06:53. > :06:55.his point but let's be sensible about this, OK. Say you have a

:06:56. > :06:59.dispute in the workplace so you bring in a mediator, are we saying

:07:00. > :07:05.it acceptable media as part of the management structure? It's as simple

:07:06. > :07:10.as that. How do we get over this? We agree on an impartial chair to get

:07:11. > :07:13.the talks up and running as a matter of urgency. Stephen is right, the

:07:14. > :07:17.problem is we just had an election with an increasingly polarised

:07:18. > :07:20.result. People have bigger mandate, they remind us about it, but what

:07:21. > :07:26.are you going to do with those mandates? People are desperate to

:07:27. > :07:29.get the institutions up and running. Words are great but it's time we got

:07:30. > :07:33.the institutions up and running and if we did have a budget, all of

:07:34. > :07:36.those things, schools would not be in a situation they are in, and

:07:37. > :07:42.hospitals also, also, that's the key task. You said throughout this

:07:43. > :07:45.campaign, Mairtin O'Muilleoir, Northern Ireland MPs did not, could

:07:46. > :07:48.not, have any influence at Westminster and that's why you have

:07:49. > :07:52.the abstention is the policy you have but you'd been proved

:07:53. > :07:58.completely wrong because the DUP cartel wagging the Tory dog. Arlene

:07:59. > :08:02.Foster and her ten MPs are about to have influence. Lets see what

:08:03. > :08:08.happens this week and what this coalition tries to bring about and

:08:09. > :08:13.that will be wide the DUP will be dictating to Theresa May where she

:08:14. > :08:17.stands on rights and respectful stop it could be very good. Here is the

:08:18. > :08:21.difficulty for Sinn Fein. This could deliver for people in Northern

:08:22. > :08:25.Ireland, we had Arlene Foster say this morning, this is about

:08:26. > :08:30.delivering for everybody in Northern Ireland, bringing investment,

:08:31. > :08:32.benefits, ending austerity, and about the DUP's manifesto

:08:33. > :08:35.commitments being delivered in Westminster in a way no one could've

:08:36. > :08:46.imagined three or days ago. I have no doubt this coalition will be the

:08:47. > :08:53.worst for the LGBT community. Those issues are not being discussed. They

:08:54. > :08:59.are not part of the agenda. The DUP is not in favour of marriage

:09:00. > :09:03.equality. They won't turn it might. It will be difficulty in equal

:09:04. > :09:06.rights for gay people. You need to get back on the storm on to make

:09:07. > :09:11.sure that's not the case. We want to do that. I don't believe you when

:09:12. > :09:18.you say that. Our mandate on Thursday night was a strong mandate

:09:19. > :09:20.and we do believe not only that you're about to collapse the

:09:21. > :09:23.institutions of Stormont because they were not delivering the

:09:24. > :09:28.Government people want... So you want to get back into Stormont? I

:09:29. > :09:34.said that at the start of the programme. You need to compromise to

:09:35. > :09:38.do that, and need to get rid of your Irish language thing, and Arlene

:09:39. > :09:45.Foster being... The British gunmen signed on it and backed out of it.

:09:46. > :09:50.Tomorrow morning we start dialogue. There are challenges for the DUP as

:09:51. > :09:55.well. Broadly speaking, the Unionist opinion would welcome positive

:09:56. > :09:58.influence from the prounion point of view in international Government, no

:09:59. > :10:04.doubt about that but the difficulty in the balance the DUP have to find

:10:05. > :10:08.is that how they balance it against more unpopular Tory Conservative

:10:09. > :10:13.policies. When the Ulster Unionist Party had a link with the

:10:14. > :10:21.Conservative Party in 2010, we were pilloried, absolutely verbally

:10:22. > :10:26.abused, even by the DUP. Particularly by the DUP who called

:10:27. > :10:31.us Tory boys. That was a completely different situation before the

:10:32. > :10:35.election. That was a proper pact. Yes, there are good sides to be in

:10:36. > :10:43.in Government with good news you can deliver on and there is a downside.

:10:44. > :10:47.In a changing situation, about Brexit, and the economy, it gives us

:10:48. > :10:54.a downturn leading to unemployment or further measures posterity, the

:10:55. > :11:01.DUP cannot escape. Some compliance. This is why this could be unstable.

:11:02. > :11:10.And why DUP could pull the plug on it in the future. That's why it's

:11:11. > :11:17.important it's not just the deal we see in due course, but what happens

:11:18. > :11:21.under the table. It may not be benign and responsible. There will

:11:22. > :11:33.be all sorts of understandings reached, side deals. It untenable

:11:34. > :11:39.without her full transparency. -- we don't have full transparency.

:11:40. > :11:49.Posterity has cost us ?1 billion cash. -- austerity. If you would

:11:50. > :11:56.have to work if they deliver the money. We would oppose austerity.

:11:57. > :12:02.The DUP may be the party which owns austerity. They are opposed to the

:12:03. > :12:05.ending of the triple lock as far as pensions are concerned, the end of

:12:06. > :12:12.the pensioner went to payment. Let's see what success the Conservative

:12:13. > :12:16.Party have. Can I ask you a question? If we had a budget, we

:12:17. > :12:26.wouldn't be in this difficult situation. In terms of this

:12:27. > :12:30.unravelling, I think that the irony is that you have the DUP during

:12:31. > :12:34.gauging in this understanding because they want to give stability

:12:35. > :12:39.to the union and its being rejected by parties across the union, the UK,

:12:40. > :12:44.the Tory party as I think that's the irony. Just to remind people in case

:12:45. > :12:49.they're just tuning in, the DUP has chosen not to be here to make its

:12:50. > :12:55.case. Less than 50% for the first time ever and the majority against

:12:56. > :13:00.Brexit, which would impose... You can't say the DUP didn't have a good

:13:01. > :13:05.election. The three people at the far end of the table had a pretty

:13:06. > :13:11.bad slap in the face. You have no chance of a border. Lets not talk

:13:12. > :13:15.about that at the moment. Where do you go in terms of losing your three

:13:16. > :13:22.seats? It was a bad night for the SDLP. Can you pick the pieces up?

:13:23. > :13:25.Yes, it was a very bad result and a devastating blow considering the

:13:26. > :13:29.calibre of the people we lost. Not just for their constituency but for

:13:30. > :13:35.wider politics. We've been very clear. We need to hold a mirror up

:13:36. > :13:37.to ourselves. The dynamic of politics on these islands is

:13:38. > :13:41.changing and we need to have an honest conversation about that.

:13:42. > :13:46.We're having a period of reflection and I won't shy away from trying to

:13:47. > :13:49.look at things in a new way. Just to remind people about those figures,

:13:50. > :13:54.let's take a look at the graphics which show how the results actually

:13:55. > :14:10.ended up on Thursday night or the early hours of Friday morning. You

:14:11. > :14:13.consider turn out there, 65.5%. That is the overall figure for sublets

:14:14. > :14:20.look at the share of the vote and this is very revealing. The DUP with

:14:21. > :14:26.over a third of the vote, almost 30% for Sinn Fein. The SDLP on nearly

:14:27. > :14:33.12%. 10% for the Ulster Unionists. Here is the critical point, the

:14:34. > :14:45.change from two years ago, 2015, the DUP up 10%, Sinn Fein, 5%, and the

:14:46. > :14:52.rest are down. You can see there that the turnout was 7%. Danny,

:14:53. > :14:55.those figures are not good as far as the Ulster Unionist Party is

:14:56. > :14:58.concerned. No, but we understand the context in which this general

:14:59. > :15:02.election has been fought. Clearly, there was a reaction from

:15:03. > :15:07.grass-roots unionism to the rise of Sinn Fein through the assembly

:15:08. > :15:13.election to the more aggressive nature of the political leadership

:15:14. > :15:17.of Sinn Fein and the prounion people, largely decided, the best

:15:18. > :15:23.message they could get was to support the DUP in this election. It

:15:24. > :15:28.doesn't mean... The stronger of the two parties, the one who could

:15:29. > :15:34.deliver. Not necessarily. We need to re-establish and make sure that the

:15:35. > :15:37.prounion electorate have the confidence in the Ulster Unionist

:15:38. > :15:45.Party to deliver on one or two key issues and to remain strong. Which

:15:46. > :15:51.we are. Obviously we didn't gain any seats, but our vote has more or less

:15:52. > :16:01.held. It went down. A fraction of voter share but... The boats are

:16:02. > :16:07.still there. We are there, standing, viable alternative. We are merging

:16:08. > :16:14.towards a strong unionist and nationalist voice. Our vote has held

:16:15. > :16:19.and we are seen increasingly as that vehicle. OK, we've asked a lot of

:16:20. > :16:24.questions today. I'm not sure how many satisfactory answers we have

:16:25. > :16:29.provided. It will be an interesting couple of months ahead.

:16:30. > :16:33.Now, there will be a big focus on Westminster this week as we see

:16:34. > :16:35.what those efforts to put a government together look

:16:36. > :16:38.like and it's being reported today that Arlene Foster is due to travel

:16:39. > :16:40.to Downing Street on Tuesday to meet Theresa May.

:16:41. > :16:43.Our Political Correspondent, Stephen Walker, is there.

:16:44. > :16:50.Stephen, just talk is through first of all last night confusion about

:16:51. > :16:55.the deal or no deal. Yes, it was very confusing. It was a bit like an

:16:56. > :17:02.episode of the thick of it. It was a bitter shambles. At 7:30pm there was

:17:03. > :17:05.a statement from Downing Street but basically said the principles of the

:17:06. > :17:10.deal had been agreed, and the DUP had agreed in principle to do this

:17:11. > :17:14.deal with the Conservatives effectively to keep them in power.

:17:15. > :17:18.There was radio silence from the DUP until midnight when they then issued

:17:19. > :17:22.a statement, not confirming in a statement did it been done but what

:17:23. > :17:26.they did confirm was discussions were ongoing. Half an hour after

:17:27. > :17:30.that, Downing Street issued another statement to basically say that

:17:31. > :17:34.discussions were ongoing and the deal hasn't quite been done, so

:17:35. > :17:38.there was a lot of confusion around last night. What appears to have

:17:39. > :17:42.happened is an official from Downing Street released a statement in

:17:43. > :17:46.error, a mistake, because of the confusion but today the position is

:17:47. > :17:50.that those discussions are continuing. Arlene Foster is due in

:17:51. > :17:55.Downing Street on Tuesday and the hopes of both sides I guess that

:17:56. > :17:58.this deal can be done. We've got the prospect of a deal between the

:17:59. > :18:02.Conservatives and the DUP but a lot of people across the water clearly

:18:03. > :18:06.seem to be puzzled about what precisely the DUP represents. That's

:18:07. > :18:10.right, the DUP must be the most research but your party on the

:18:11. > :18:13.planet of the moment. Lots of newspaper articles, broadcasts about

:18:14. > :18:17.the party, people want to know who the party are, what they stand for,

:18:18. > :18:22.a lot of research going in so using lots of mentions of things about the

:18:23. > :18:26.party 's stance on abortion, gay rights and creationism and all those

:18:27. > :18:29.kinds of articles but the DUP are keen to stress can actually people

:18:30. > :18:33.should member we've been in power-sharing in Northern Ireland,

:18:34. > :18:38.with Sinn Fein, we have run Government departments so that the

:18:39. > :18:42.message the DUP are trying to get out. Amongst Conservatives, who are

:18:43. > :18:45.preparing to go into power, with the DUP, I suppose there are mixed

:18:46. > :18:49.responses, those that know them well seem quite relaxed. There are good

:18:50. > :18:54.relationships between the DUP and the Conservatives, and somewhere

:18:55. > :18:57.people are nervous, concerned about their position on those social

:18:58. > :19:01.issues but then the Conservatives have to come to this question, if

:19:02. > :19:07.they want to remain in power, then they have to do a deal with the DUP.

:19:08. > :19:14.What about Theresa May herself? The Tory grandees taking to the airwaves

:19:15. > :19:18.seem to be at best qualified support. Some amazing stuff this

:19:19. > :19:22.morning. George Osbourne of course, no lover of Theresa May's politics

:19:23. > :19:26.and the way she handled the campaign, has described her as a

:19:27. > :19:30.dead woman walking. Lord Heseltine, Tory grandees, said he does not

:19:31. > :19:34.think she will fight another election. And Nicky Morgan, of

:19:35. > :19:39.course was a cabinet minister, she is basically saying that she think

:19:40. > :19:42.there will be a Tory leadership battle over the summer. There is an

:19:43. > :19:45.awful lot of under his command of a lot of pressure on Theresa May. She

:19:46. > :19:49.may be in Downing Street, but there is an awful lot of questions being

:19:50. > :19:54.asked about the way she handled the election, and a lot of questions

:19:55. > :19:58.being asked about whether or not she will be Prime Minister in six months

:19:59. > :20:01.or 12 months. Stephen, just briefly, what are the key things you need to

:20:02. > :20:05.look out for in the week ahead? Tuesday will be a key date. The DUP

:20:06. > :20:11.will come your revolver ten MPs and there will be lots of photographs on

:20:12. > :20:15.College Green. That is the day that Arlene Foster will meet Theresa May.

:20:16. > :20:18.We anticipate a photograph in and around Downing Street. If this deal

:20:19. > :20:23.is done, is as being talked about, the first big test will be tomorrow

:20:24. > :20:27.week. That is the Queen's speech. If they are doing is confidence and

:20:28. > :20:31.supply arrangement, the DUP would be expected to back the Queen's speech

:20:32. > :20:36.on that day. That would be the first big test for the DUP. We leave it

:20:37. > :20:38.there. Thank you very much indeed, Stephen Walker in Westminster.

:20:39. > :20:40.And joining me now with their perspective on events

:20:41. > :20:42.are Allison Morris and Newton Emerson.

:20:43. > :20:49.Newton, it is hard to keep up, where are we? Gerry Adams has very

:20:50. > :20:53.noticeably toned down the rhetoric over the weekend on the Tory, DUP

:20:54. > :20:58.relationship and a border poll. I think everybody else should calm

:20:59. > :21:01.down as well. The DUP, yes, is very ambitious for its Westminster deal

:21:02. > :21:06.but it is also still absolutely desperate to get back to Stormont.

:21:07. > :21:08.It recognises the danger there, the conflict of antagonising the

:21:09. > :21:13.Nationalist electorate. It does not mean it will be able to resist it,

:21:14. > :21:17.but it is clearly intending to stay with and social issues and focus on

:21:18. > :21:21.getting Northern Ireland a bag of cash and goodies, particularly on

:21:22. > :21:23.welfare reform and mitigating welfare reform, but I think makes it

:21:24. > :21:27.more likely that Stormont will return. I think it is less likely

:21:28. > :21:32.that Stormont will return as a result. Sinn Fein build-out of

:21:33. > :21:35.Stormont and electorate have backed them on that. Their vote is

:21:36. > :21:40.increasing again. The people who vote for Sinn Fein vote for them to

:21:41. > :21:45.be abstention is. Martin O'Neill sitting in that seat was very clear

:21:46. > :21:48.that Sinn Fein wanted to Stormont as soon as possible. They have said

:21:49. > :21:51.repeatedly that will be no return of the status quo which means the red

:21:52. > :21:54.lines are not movable. They will not go back of because everything they

:21:55. > :21:59.want which the DUP will not give them and the DUP has very strong

:22:00. > :22:02.position, given the fact they be in some kind of partnership coalition

:22:03. > :22:05.in Westminster. I do not think they are going to be in any mood to

:22:06. > :22:10.compromise with Sinn Fein. A lot of it does depend, Allison is correct,

:22:11. > :22:13.about how the DUP manages to rein in its arrogance but listen to what

:22:14. > :22:18.Gerry Adams said. Two months ago, Sinn Fein was grinning that it DUP

:22:19. > :22:21.Ivan tore relationship would destroy the peace process. This weekend,

:22:22. > :22:25.they're laughing it off as a flash and a plan that will end in tears.

:22:26. > :22:30.They may or may not be right but they are turning that a on. What

:22:31. > :22:33.actually happens, do you think, that Stormont tomorrow? We heard Nicola

:22:34. > :22:35.very clear on what you had to say. There needs to be somebody

:22:36. > :22:39.independent to chair the talks process, because no longer can the

:22:40. > :22:45.British secretary of state be seen as an independent arbiter. Now, I

:22:46. > :22:48.mean, a lot of people would have thought that was never the case, but

:22:49. > :22:52.she seemed to be saying that the basic requirement? The chair does

:22:53. > :22:55.not make the deal but again they see where they're coming from. At this

:22:56. > :22:59.point in time, the Conservative Government are indebted to the DUP.

:23:00. > :23:04.They need them to survive and stay afloat, so how can that Tory

:23:05. > :23:07.Secretary of State be considered in any way independent? They could go

:23:08. > :23:10.and bring somebody from America or rather like the in the past but

:23:11. > :23:14.little thing that will help them get over the line. I do not think there

:23:15. > :23:16.be any return to Stormont this side of summer. I will be surprised at

:23:17. > :23:20.this up and running again by December. You both make two very

:23:21. > :23:24.plausible arguments, you cannot both be right. The 20 will be discussed

:23:25. > :23:29.before the election was a Stormont deal by the Ottoman. That timetable

:23:30. > :23:31.might slip roads lately stop it depends on how long this

:23:32. > :23:36.conservative arrangement looks likely to last. The main problem was

:23:37. > :23:40.reappointing a chair, and Allison is right again, the timing of this

:23:41. > :23:42.doesn't really matter. It would be an effective admission that the

:23:43. > :23:46.British government is not an admission and I do not think that

:23:47. > :23:48.admission needs to be made, because the DUP will be not be in the

:23:49. > :23:53.British government. The counterargument to that would be to

:23:54. > :23:55.say that we are now saying that no Northern Ireland party can

:23:56. > :24:00.participate in any way on Westminster or Doyle voting. Charlie

:24:01. > :24:04.Flanagan making it very clear that there needs to be an honest broker

:24:05. > :24:07.in charge. The integrity and objectivity of both governments are

:24:08. > :24:12.critical. Not surprising that he should say that. Does that help move

:24:13. > :24:16.the process forward or draw up yet another obstacle? They're all going

:24:17. > :24:20.to be there tomorrow. I do not think anybody everything will happen

:24:21. > :24:24.tomorrow. We do not have a Secretary of State. There is no cheer at this

:24:25. > :24:27.point of time. There is no budget as well, so the run-up be some kind of

:24:28. > :24:31.partial direct role in that it will need to be administered by

:24:32. > :24:36.Westminster before July because I not be Stormont before them. It is

:24:37. > :24:40.hard to get out of that as well, so I think that we are heading. What is

:24:41. > :24:43.the future for Theresa May? Speed of it will be difficult for the Tories

:24:44. > :24:49.to get because we have come to believe in this country that a Prime

:24:50. > :24:51.Minister made the personal mandate, which is against Parliamentary

:24:52. > :24:55.representative democracy and its principles but we expect that

:24:56. > :24:58.anyway. An unelected head of a minority government would really

:24:59. > :25:02.struggle to have legitimacy. The Tories cannot risk trickling

:25:03. > :25:05.accidentally an election or undermining their authority to that

:25:06. > :25:10.point. Not in the foreseeable future, while curbing good win an

:25:11. > :25:14.election. There are stuck. There is great unrest within the party. They

:25:15. > :25:18.would like to ask but at this point in time, it could trigger an

:25:19. > :25:22.election and going by the way the figures are, Corbin would win the

:25:23. > :25:26.next one. That is the worst-case scenario, another election. I do not

:25:27. > :25:30.think any others than the another election in the studio, not for a

:25:31. > :25:32.while anyway! Thank you both very much indeed.

:25:33. > :25:37.it seems Thursday night and Friday morning were a long time ago -

:25:38. > :25:39.but what unfolded then has set up

:25:40. > :25:40.the most remarkable of political stories.

:25:41. > :25:42.Our coverage of the story will continue on TV,

:25:43. > :25:44.radio and digital throughout the week,

:25:45. > :25:47.and I'll see you on The View on BBC One on Thursday.

:25:48. > :26:08.Until then, from everyone in the team, goodbye.

:26:09. > :26:26.To the DUP candidate... But I have one. Northern Ireland's answer to

:26:27. > :26:35.Jeremy Paxman. It's interesting. Unionism has awakened. I think when

:26:36. > :26:38.you win you find out a lot about other people and when you lose you

:26:39. > :26:54.find out a lot about yourself. Keep counting the votes!

:26:55. > :27:09.We are certainly witnessing history. Thinking about how people are taking

:27:10. > :27:27.the sort of result. And Martin, we did this for you.

:27:28. > :27:31.But I am not going to keep you too much longer, because there is

:27:32. > :27:32.parking to be done!