:01:15. > :01:17.We'll hear Boris Johnson's advice to our politicians on Corporation Tax.
:01:17. > :01:27.And we're discussing striking the right balance between protest and
:01:27. > :01:27.
:01:27. > :33:43.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1935 seconds
:33:43. > :33:48.promotion at the G8. Join me in half say on Northern Ireland. He was in
:33:48. > :33:51.Ballymena last week to pick up his Boris buses and business editor in
:33:51. > :33:56.Fitzpatrick caught up with him to find out what he thinks about
:33:56. > :34:01.Northern Ireland. You believe in devolution and more powerful London.
:34:01. > :34:06.Should there be more powerful regions like this? I certainly want
:34:06. > :34:15.London to be able to do what we need to do, especially buying new buses
:34:15. > :34:21.like this one. They have done a fantastic job. You are campaigning
:34:21. > :34:26.for extra powers for London, store mod is interested in that too. You
:34:26. > :34:33.would have to look at the issues that the tax competitiveness
:34:33. > :34:37.questions and the cost. I am not so much interested in things that would
:34:37. > :34:42.be costing the Treasury money. What we need in London is stable and
:34:43. > :34:50.continuous financing, it is more about certainty than quantum. We
:34:50. > :34:53.need to predict that London will get �1.8 billion a year over a long
:34:53. > :34:59.period to invest in transport infrastructure. The fatal mistake
:34:59. > :35:05.has been that we do stop start, stop start. It is less about making money
:35:05. > :35:10.off the Treasury and stability. What is your advice to store mod? I would
:35:10. > :35:17.hesitate. It's important that if you want to persuade the Treasury of
:35:17. > :35:23.anything, persuade them to save money. That's the only way forward.
:35:23. > :35:29.Or that it is revenue neutral or the way to make the oven fly is to say
:35:29. > :35:35.if you devolve us this power or this tax, we will grow the economy in
:35:35. > :35:41.such a way to deliver more revenue. It is about getting the Treasury
:35:41. > :35:46.more money. And one thing that has stalled progress on some issues like
:35:46. > :35:49.devolution of Corporation Tax has been issues of Scottish
:35:49. > :35:55.independence. Should Westminster worry about what is going north of
:35:55. > :36:01.border? The Scottish independence thing will be radically revolt --
:36:01. > :36:06.resolved in favour of the UK. think there is a case for devolved
:36:07. > :36:13.government having the ability to raise locally what they spend
:36:13. > :36:18.locally. That must make sense in a devolution settlement. You will not
:36:18. > :36:23.persuade the Treasury of that, you will not persuade the Treasury of
:36:23. > :36:29.that unless they can see it is revenue neutral or it will deliver
:36:29. > :36:34.such a growth in revenues as to be positive for them. What about
:36:34. > :36:41.Europe, the only part of the UK with a land border with the eurozone and
:36:41. > :36:45.now a debate on Europe is hotting up. If things don't go well... You
:36:45. > :36:50.need an exit strategy because you cannot go into negotiations where
:36:50. > :36:56.the bottom line is surrender. need to be able to walk away. It has
:36:56. > :36:59.changed in my lifetime. I do not feel that it is as much an
:36:59. > :37:03.existential question for Britain whether we are members of the
:37:04. > :37:08.European Union, we are part of the global economy. This us, to drag the
:37:08. > :37:14.subject back to what matters, this bus we will sell to markets in Asia.
:37:14. > :37:20.And that is where the growth is coming in the world and you should
:37:20. > :37:25.think globally. What about for the Conservative party, not a big force
:37:25. > :37:31.in Northern Ireland, hasn't had much success growing the base. Nor has
:37:31. > :37:39.the Labour Party! They have tried a bit harder. What would you do to
:37:39. > :37:49.energise voters here? I think there are long and complicated reasons why
:37:49. > :37:49.
:37:49. > :37:53.that has never taken off. I don't want particularly to insert myself
:37:53. > :37:58.into politics here in Northern Ireland except to say how pleased
:37:58. > :38:04.and proud I am that we have been able to investment through DFL to
:38:04. > :38:11.get the best bus in the world is coming from Northern Ireland, it has
:38:11. > :38:20.British technology and is delivering jobs. Finally, London Olympics, a
:38:20. > :38:27.huge success. We have a big event coming here. What is your advice? Do
:38:27. > :38:37.not listen to the Gloomadon-poppers. I am sure it will go Apsley
:38:37. > :38:40.
:38:40. > :38:44.swimmingly. It will go swimmingly. Let's get some reaction from my
:38:44. > :38:47.guests, Alex Kane and Cathy Gormley-Heenan from University of
:38:47. > :38:53.Ulster. Gloomadon-poppers seems to be a word Boris Johnson is
:38:53. > :38:58.preaching, a one-man campaign. It is a pity because the word can mean
:38:58. > :39:04.many things to many people. It would have been useful on Thursday night
:39:04. > :39:08.to refer to the guests then as Gloomadon-poppers. It is something I
:39:08. > :39:16.will pick up and try to run with. Will it make its way into your
:39:16. > :39:20.column? I will try to claim it as my own! It is an interview where he
:39:20. > :39:25.didn't say much at all other than buses but he inserts this word and
:39:25. > :39:31.we have a conversation. No matter what he says, you come away and you
:39:31. > :39:34.like the guy. That's what he's about. Hats off to write bus for
:39:34. > :39:43.doing such a remarkable job so the buses on a global stage. Boris
:39:43. > :39:47.Johnson is a huge ambassador. He is. That is valuable and it's a good
:39:47. > :39:52.connection between Ballymena and Boris and London and the
:39:52. > :39:58.Conservative party, good links. Sometimes I listen to Boris talking
:39:58. > :40:03.about buses and I wish I could hear from the First Minister with the
:40:03. > :40:07.same enthusiasm and same sense of fun about what business can be like.
:40:07. > :40:13.The interesting thing is despite Jim Fitzpatrick's best efforts, Boris
:40:13. > :40:19.Johnson did not say anything about Northern Ireland. I understand that.
:40:19. > :40:23.He was here in his capacity as Mayor of London. There are things that
:40:23. > :40:28.suit his own agenda, including the devolution of scat -- tax varying
:40:28. > :40:35.powers. If he had tied that in better than he did into the
:40:35. > :40:42.conversation and how it might relate to Corporation Tax, that might have
:40:42. > :40:49.worked better but he was slightly caught on the hop anti turns the
:40:49. > :40:54.conversation back to what he wants to talk about by being open. I
:40:54. > :41:00.suppose the parallel is Corporation Tax if it happens, the reduction in
:41:00. > :41:04.Corporation Tax comes at a price potentially to the grant, any
:41:04. > :41:09.changes in taxation for London will also come as part of a risky
:41:09. > :41:12.strategy. I think that's true. not sure what Boris Johnson is
:41:13. > :41:17.running with this because Cameron has said nothing will happen until
:41:17. > :41:21.the Scottish referendum is over. In terms of Northern Ireland, we've
:41:22. > :41:28.been talking about this for five years. I do not see it happening at
:41:28. > :41:31.all. More from you in a moment. a smokescreen for a major attack on
:41:31. > :41:34.civil liberties or a terrific opportunity to showcase Northern
:41:34. > :41:36.Ireland? Two contrasting views on the G8 summit which takes place in
:41:36. > :41:38.county Fermanagh next month.This week the Chief Constable unveiled
:41:38. > :41:44.details of how he's planning to police the expected protests
:41:44. > :41:50.surrounding the summit... We are expecting demonstrations in
:41:51. > :41:55.Belfast. There was one planned in relation to cracking. There will be
:41:55. > :41:59.demonstrations voicing concerns about property and we expect
:41:59. > :42:04.something in Ellis Killin as well. There will be a number of
:42:05. > :42:10.demonstrations as is normal with any event. In terms of the numbers
:42:10. > :42:14.coming and the size, I think that is a work in progress and we are
:42:14. > :42:17.monitoring it carefully. Clearly the ridiculous planning draws upon the
:42:17. > :42:23.experience of previous G8 summits and what that looked like and the
:42:23. > :42:30.numbers. It looks at their current situation in terms of global issues
:42:30. > :42:34.and protests and we have planned for every eventuality. So, our job is to
:42:34. > :42:38.facilitate legitimate lawful protest, if others choose to come
:42:38. > :42:42.here with a different purpose we will be prepared and equipped. That
:42:42. > :42:48.is why we are working closely with the Met Police with their
:42:48. > :42:53.experience. Matt Baggott. Business leaders welcomed the potential
:42:53. > :42:57.benefits of the G8 predicting a significant boost for tourism and
:42:57. > :43:05.investment. Had we ensure we get the balance between promotion and
:43:05. > :43:12.protest, with me are Eamon McCann and Ian Coulter from the CBI. Ian
:43:12. > :43:17.Coulter, why is the G8 good for Northern Ireland? In 2002, Alberta
:43:17. > :43:25.in Canada generated 200 million US dollars to the local economy
:43:25. > :43:31.short-term. 2005, Gleneagles 750 million sterling benefits. At the
:43:31. > :43:34.moment, the numbers are not to be sniffed at. We believe there is good
:43:34. > :43:40.short-term and long-term gains economic league and how we are
:43:40. > :43:47.perceived. Were there signs of the investment in Northern Ireland with
:43:47. > :43:54.less than a month to go? No, it is not as simple as that. The
:43:54. > :44:00.investment comes over 12 months from tourism, retail and hospitality. It
:44:00. > :44:04.starts from after the G8. In the run-up to the summit, any signs of
:44:04. > :44:09.benefit to your members? I am sure there are small businesses in
:44:09. > :44:15.Fermanagh seeing benefits -- seeing benefits already. Over time you will
:44:15. > :44:25.see more. This is a mid-to long-term plan. How could you argue against
:44:25. > :44:31.
:44:31. > :44:37.that? I question the basis of the figures. The main beneficiaries will
:44:37. > :44:42.be hoteliers and hospitality industry and good luck to them in
:44:42. > :44:50.the short-term. The figures for long-term improvement and economic
:44:50. > :44:57.prospects are questionable. You quoted in Italy and Canada, you will
:44:57. > :45:02.find that the calculations are off extra money and growth based on
:45:02. > :45:08.media coverage. That is speculative as to whether it is a real figure or
:45:08. > :45:13.not. People imagine the tourism industry will develop because people
:45:13. > :45:18.will see the lovely lakes and landscapes, what they will not say
:45:18. > :45:22.-- they will not see that. They will see it but they will not focus on
:45:22. > :45:26.it. I am not sure they will see it because the news bulletins in the US
:45:26. > :45:31.and Europe will focus on the policy matters and how to coordinate
:45:31. > :45:36.austerity programmes and what they would do about arms spending,
:45:36. > :45:40.probably nothing. It is policy matters which are the constant face
:45:40. > :45:45.on the media not the beauties of Fermanagh. I do not think there'll
:45:46. > :45:53.be a long-term improvement in the economy. I do not expect it. That's
:45:53. > :45:59.interesting because if you look at Italy, who knows where that is?
:45:59. > :46:06.don't disagree. It is a short-term initiative, is it better to have it
:46:06. > :46:11.than not? Yes. Will it fix endemic problems? Of course not. On the
:46:11. > :46:15.perception issue, if we think back, this is probably the most global
:46:15. > :46:24.coverage Northern Ireland gets since the Good Friday Agreement. How sure
:46:24. > :46:28.are you that Eamon McCann will spoil the party? They won't.There is
:46:29. > :46:33.always protest at the G8. It will be managed. The G8 will come and go and
:46:33. > :46:38.there will be a positive message going out. Are you happy for that
:46:38. > :46:42.happen or do you want to try to spoil the party? It is not a
:46:42. > :46:46.question of spoiling the party. believe there was a right to protest
:46:46. > :46:52.and it is necessary to protest against the G8. They represent the
:46:52. > :47:01.ruling classes of the world, they are most responsible for the
:47:01. > :47:11.appalling state of the world is in, threats to environment, war zones,
:47:11. > :47:11.
:47:11. > :47:18.and the RUC has obtained two drones without any discussion. Of
:47:18. > :47:23.course... These are not the drones used in Pakistan. They will not be
:47:23. > :47:27.used like that to drop bombs on Fermanagh as far as we know! There
:47:27. > :47:35.is no suggestion of that. It is remarkable these measures, these
:47:35. > :47:41.security measures are supported by a party which a week ago objected to
:47:41. > :47:46.children's playgrounds opening on Sunday. It is better to be prepared
:47:46. > :47:53.for a problem. It is forward planning in case of difficulty.
:47:53. > :48:03.is overhyped. I was at Gleneagles, a vast security apparatus. There was
:48:03. > :48:06.
:48:06. > :48:14.no violence at all. There were no raised fists. They were helicopters
:48:14. > :48:21.overhead, drones, special courts open. The British police coming in.
:48:21. > :48:27.I do not believe the measures will go away with Barack Obama. A couple
:48:27. > :48:32.of points there but too much security is his charge and who knows
:48:32. > :48:37.if it will all be dismantled at the end? The leaders of the world are
:48:37. > :48:42.coming, of course there is security. We do not have the luxuries to talk
:48:42. > :48:47.about -- we have unemployed people, anything that can be done to credit
:48:47. > :48:51.jobs and opportunities should be grabbed and it will be grabbed. Stay
:48:52. > :48:56.with us because I want to hear from our commentators. Do you think a
:48:56. > :49:01.balance can be struck between protest and promotion? Absolutely
:49:01. > :49:06.but what we are seeing is a diversion of focus away from what
:49:06. > :49:13.the G8 is about, many people do not know what the key aims of G8 are.
:49:13. > :49:18.Trade, transparency, tax, the agenda on the table. The local and national
:49:18. > :49:22.media have not refocused in much on the issues that these world leaders
:49:22. > :49:27.will be talking about and there's too much emphasis on the potential
:49:27. > :49:32.benefits to the place or the threat of protest. It doesn't help the
:49:32. > :49:38.economy or the tourist industry to say come to Northern Ireland, your
:49:38. > :49:43.prison bed awaits having put the measures in place. I think if the
:49:43. > :49:47.focus shifts to the key issues it will politicise people in a positive
:49:47. > :49:51.way and we are not seeing that. Do you think it helps to sell Northern
:49:52. > :50:00.Ireland and the G8 to people here and on a world stage to have Obama
:50:00. > :50:06.coming? Or is it irrelevant? I fit into the Boris description of the
:50:06. > :50:11.Gloomadon-poppers. I really don't see what the difference is. The big
:50:11. > :50:16.issues should be discussing here in the local papers and they are not.
:50:16. > :50:20.He is right, you should protest, these are big issues, these are the
:50:20. > :50:30.eight most powerful men in the world who have made horrendous decisions,
:50:30. > :50:30.
:50:30. > :50:34.morally and politically but also they bring trillions of debt and say
:50:34. > :50:40.they will solve it and isn't Fermanagh lovely? It doesn't matter
:50:40. > :50:47.what happens, MTV, YouTube, it is great to Northern Ireland but they
:50:47. > :50:54.go away and nothing, the dreary steeples are back. You have to
:50:54. > :51:01.remember the word, it is Gloomadon-poppers. I made up my own
:51:01. > :51:07.word. Is Obama coming to Belfast helping from your perspective?
:51:07. > :51:10.big point is we should not be trying to affect things we cannot control
:51:10. > :51:14.globally, how can we leveraged the conference to grow Northern Ireland
:51:14. > :51:22.and put it in the best place possible to get youth employment up.
:51:22. > :51:29.You talk about Obama, 12,000 jobs from foreign investment, much it
:51:29. > :51:34.from the US. Will we see that between now and the G8? Is a good we
:51:34. > :51:42.have a US leader here in a positive light, it is positive. Let's deal
:51:42. > :51:49.with it and grab the opportunity. Positive or reservations about the
:51:49. > :51:54.Obama trip? Huge reservations about the trip. Obama has over 100 people
:51:54. > :51:59.on hunger strike in Guantanamo Bay, more than half have been cleared for
:51:59. > :52:03.release by the American authorities. They are being tortured, I hope
:52:03. > :52:11.there will be placard saying support he hunger strikers. We will leave it
:52:11. > :52:16.there. We will come back to this in the next few weeks. Politics is
:52:16. > :52:24.often a fine balancing act as one minister found out, it is all in 60
:52:24. > :52:28.seconds with Martina Purdy. The future of care homes and
:52:28. > :52:37.children's heart surgery, the story that will not go away. Edwin Poots
:52:37. > :52:40.showing the strain when he appeared before the health committee.
:52:40. > :52:45.Together building a united community, the First Minister and
:52:46. > :52:48.Deputy First Minister revealed community relations strategy. This
:52:49. > :52:55.is the most ambitious set of proposals that have been brought
:52:55. > :53:00.forward. But far from united, the other parties felt excluded by the
:53:00. > :53:07.DUP and Sinn Fein. I didn't know anything about it until it was
:53:08. > :53:11.announced today. The health Minister and his southern counterpart white
:53:11. > :53:18.united in a search for cross-border solutions even if James Riley did
:53:18. > :53:28.not look steady on his feet. And the new party, no name but high hopes,
:53:28. > :53:32.
:53:32. > :53:37.Martina Purdy reporting on spills and drop catches for the
:53:37. > :53:42.politicians. A final word from Cathy and Alex. Shared future was the big
:53:42. > :53:46.issue at the end of the week, proposals from the ministers,
:53:46. > :53:51.useful, did they move us forward? Did not move us anywhere,
:53:51. > :53:55.integration and shared society to something else and every time they
:53:55. > :54:00.change the make -- name they are in the same place. They have now
:54:00. > :54:05.electoral dividend but they have a dividend financially in pretending
:54:05. > :54:10.they are doing something. We have a new strategy, building a united
:54:10. > :54:16.community together. You have written about this, you have talked about
:54:16. > :54:20.this, you have recently compiled a report for the office of the First
:54:20. > :54:25.Minister and Deputy First Minister, does it take us forward? And we're
:54:25. > :54:29.not dealing with a critical issues will stop we will be and I don't
:54:29. > :54:36.want to be a Gloomadon-poppers to keep the phrase going, I do think
:54:36. > :54:41.anything is better than nothing. what we have is a start, we will see
:54:41. > :54:46.the strategy into more weeks. We can look at the detail and have
:54:46. > :54:49.something to build on, the fact Obama is coming, if there is one
:54:49. > :54:56.positive thing, that can galvanise public sentiment and support for
:54:56. > :55:01.moving things forward. I am not so fussy on the detail of 10,000 places
:55:01. > :55:06.here and 100 students in summer placements, that sort of detail, I
:55:06. > :55:10.am more interested in what will be independent chaired working group
:55:10. > :55:17.look like and who will it be because it cannot be someone party political
:55:17. > :55:22.and what they plan to do to push the agenda forward? Finally, Alex, the