:01:49. > :01:52.And in Northern Ireland - charges against Old Bailey bomber Marian
:01:52. > :02:02.Price may have been thrown out of court this week, but the row all
:02:02. > :02:03.
:02:03. > :35:19.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1996 seconds
:35:19. > :35:26.over her continued detention has Hello and welcome to Sunday
:35:26. > :35:28.Politics in Northern Ireland. I threat to no one or read
:35:28. > :35:32.dangerous dissident Republican? Charges against Marian Price may
:35:33. > :35:37.have been thrown out of court this week, but the row over her
:35:37. > :35:41.continued detention has escalated. We will be hearing all size of the
:35:41. > :35:44.argument. Also on a programme, the
:35:44. > :35:52.householders playing a waiting game with builders who want our cannot
:35:52. > :35:56.finish what they have started. sick of fawning. I get the same
:35:56. > :36:00.answer. It just seems that nobody wants to take responsibility of
:36:00. > :36:05.what has been left behind in this area. And with three for the next
:36:05. > :36:11.20 minutes to debate that and more, Sinn Fein's Mairtin O'Muilleoir and
:36:11. > :36:16.Stewart Dickson from the Alliance Party.
:36:16. > :36:21.It was around this time last year that Marian Price was returned to
:36:21. > :36:25.jail by the Secretary of State. She was released in 1980 suffering from
:36:25. > :36:29.anorexia after being jailed for her part in the Old Bailey bombing. But
:36:29. > :36:33.she was returned to prison by Owen Paterson after her appearance at a
:36:33. > :36:37.dissident Republican rally in Londonderry. This week charges
:36:37. > :36:47.against and three arias -- three others arising out of that Riley
:36:47. > :36:52.were dismissed by Judge -- that rally. This case will be
:36:52. > :36:55.recommenced in another way. But this case will proceed, perhaps a
:36:55. > :37:05.little bit later now than would have been the case of a these
:37:05. > :37:12.events. IM joined by two members of the Justin's committee. -- justice
:37:12. > :37:16.committee. Should she stay and prison? She should not be in prison
:37:16. > :37:21.at all because she has been released in relation to that charge
:37:21. > :37:24.which has been dismissed. Also in relation to the other charges
:37:24. > :37:29.arising from this, so she should not be in prison because the prison
:37:29. > :37:37.has determined she should be out in bill. What the Secretary of State
:37:37. > :37:43.has done is interna without trial. That is the simplest position of --
:37:43. > :37:49.explanation of the position she isn't. She is facing more serious
:37:49. > :37:53.charges regarding their barracks mergers. We she denies and she has
:37:54. > :37:59.released on bail in relation to those. She will be tried in
:37:59. > :38:05.relation to those in time. That is, due process and I support due
:38:05. > :38:08.process. The St -- but we do not possess -- support putting people
:38:08. > :38:12.in prison because of because of intelligence or some political
:38:12. > :38:19.point of view and we are convinced she is being detained without trial
:38:19. > :38:24.because of that. She should be released immediately. But it is due
:38:24. > :38:31.process that the Government is following. It will allow the due
:38:31. > :38:36.process to go forward. The Rhys contention in relation to that. She
:38:36. > :38:46.herself says that she received a pardon in relation to the Crown's
:38:46. > :38:46.
:38:46. > :38:51.which she had committed. -- the crime's -- crimes. I believe that
:38:51. > :38:56.there is substantial merit in that argument. What I am saying to you
:38:56. > :39:00.is that if she has been released on pardon, then there is no issue at
:39:00. > :39:04.all in relation to licensed. What the Crown argues is that there is a
:39:04. > :39:08.certain element of her sentence that was subject to licence
:39:08. > :39:14.conditions. I spoke to our two times in prison and she herself
:39:14. > :39:19.says that when she was released from custody after serving her time,
:39:19. > :39:23.she was not subject to any conditions whatsoever. In fact was
:39:23. > :39:27.never asked to report anybody, she was never told that she was under
:39:27. > :39:34.licence conditions so factually she was not under licence by a legally
:39:34. > :39:40.she was not under licence. It does not seem work cut -- clear-cut this
:39:40. > :39:48.licence and one of the documents is missing. You have got a dissident
:39:48. > :39:52.Republican allowing... It is clear- cut that she was given three
:39:52. > :39:57.sentences, one determine end to life sentences for her crimes. In
:39:57. > :40:06.1980 she was released. Two of the three sentences were based on
:40:06. > :40:10.licences. That was what was revoked. Due licence was followed. She is in
:40:10. > :40:16.exactly hundreds of other former prisoners who are out on licence. I
:40:17. > :40:21.am not going to be crying tears over Marian Price. She got a jail -
:40:21. > :40:25.- get out of jail three-card because she was that debt's door.
:40:25. > :40:30.She has clearly been involved in other activities and that has led
:40:30. > :40:38.to the revocation of Alison's and therefore she should beat going
:40:38. > :40:47.back to jail. -- of her licence. This is what you would expect from
:40:47. > :40:51.her. Where dupe why it -- due process was followed, the Secretary
:40:51. > :40:59.of State acted. There is a perfect opportunity for her to do that. She
:40:59. > :41:04.is also faced, she might have been technically have been given bail,
:41:04. > :41:12.those have been subsequent to the licence being revoked. I wonder if
:41:13. > :41:19.the judge felt that it would be better. This was a woman who was
:41:20. > :41:23.charged with serious offences. I am glad to see the intervention.
:41:23. > :41:30.briefly, you cannot have due process on the basis of
:41:30. > :41:38.intelligence reports. That is the basis on which licensing operates.
:41:38. > :41:47.Nor, it is not. It is following 2001 legislation. It deals with the
:41:47. > :41:56.individual chap -- circumstances of the person. She does not have her
:41:56. > :42:06.own counsel to represent her. They are 0.1. -- they will appoint
:42:06. > :42:13.someone for her. Why does this say about wider
:42:13. > :42:22.society, we were supposed to have devolution of justice powers?
:42:22. > :42:28.says a lot about the hand of Owen Paterson. It has someone who we do
:42:28. > :42:32.not want involved injustice matters. It is sad that what happens is that
:42:32. > :42:38.the Unionist parties feel obliged to support the Secretary of State
:42:38. > :42:42.and they reintroduce internment. What we need is to build the future,
:42:43. > :42:49.have more confidence in the system of justice here. And this case,
:42:49. > :42:55.every aspect case of it, built twice and returned are kept in jail,
:42:55. > :43:02.all those things undermine their confidence which we're trying to
:43:02. > :43:06.build up here. Marian Price should be released, released a hospital,
:43:06. > :43:11.she is not fit to attend court but they insist on keeping her in
:43:11. > :43:15.prison. So Stewart Dickson, there seems to be an element of
:43:15. > :43:20.predictability about how the partys have fallen into their lives, how
:43:20. > :43:30.the support our do not support Marian Price in this case. Where do
:43:30. > :43:31.
:43:31. > :43:36.the lies partisan? I agree with Mairtin, it is worrying that he has
:43:36. > :43:39.a hand in this. I share some of the concerns of that as solely on
:43:40. > :43:44.intelligence. It is up to the Secretary of State and he has been
:43:44. > :43:47.remarkably quiet in respect of his case. I believe it is up to the
:43:47. > :43:52.Secretary of State to give a fair explanation to the public as to why
:43:52. > :43:58.he has decided to revoke a licence. If that is on intelligence Cruz
:43:58. > :44:04.then he should be upfront and tell us that. -- arounds. But it has to
:44:04. > :44:09.be considered extremely serious that politicians have the power to
:44:09. > :44:13.put someone in jail and keep them there. He obviously believes he is
:44:13. > :44:19.doing that for the safety and security of our whole community but
:44:19. > :44:23.I believe we need a explanation for that. As far as the Justice
:44:23. > :44:27.Department, they have a responsibility as far other
:44:27. > :44:32.prisoners in Northern Ireland. The conditions she finds herself in an
:44:32. > :44:40.entirely self-inflicted. She is the person who chose to goal ensued and
:44:41. > :44:48.be segregated. -- she wanted to be segregated. Medical advice and she
:44:48. > :44:58.is not fit to be in prison. She was fit enough to be at a dissident
:44:58. > :45:01.
:45:01. > :45:08.rally this time last year. It does seem... She was in jail because she
:45:08. > :45:13.committed offences in 1973 and lost the right to get a licence on those.
:45:13. > :45:17.There were lots of people killed in that incident. There is a
:45:17. > :45:25.humanitarian issue here. She should have thought of that before the
:45:25. > :45:29.crime she committed. We are compassionate society. This lady is
:45:29. > :45:35.ill, Seriously ill. She should at the very least be released into
:45:35. > :45:40.hospital. That is how difficult her circumstances are. The Prison
:45:41. > :45:44.Service have said they are monitoring her health and if
:45:44. > :45:47.professionals think she should be in hospital when she will be
:45:47. > :45:52.released into hospital. The family certainly believe that she needs to
:45:53. > :45:57.be hospitalised immediately. Irrespective of all that politics,
:45:57. > :46:05.she should be in hospital. medical are authorities are the
:46:05. > :46:07.best to judge that. Thank you, we will leave that there.
:46:07. > :46:11.I'll across Northern Ireland householders are playing a waiting
:46:11. > :46:15.game with builders who will not finish what they have started.
:46:15. > :46:19.Roads and sewers are left incomplete, even street lighting
:46:19. > :46:29.does not work. The Assembly's regional development committee is
:46:29. > :46:37.
:46:37. > :46:40.on the case, as Yvette Shapiro This development on the outskirts
:46:40. > :46:43.of Waringstown has remained unfinished were more than five
:46:43. > :46:48.years. Now the Road Service has moved into complete the work that
:46:48. > :46:52.the developer should have done in the first place. It will probably
:46:52. > :46:55.cost around �50,000 to bring the roads and pavements up to standard,
:46:55. > :46:57.but that money should be recovered from the bond lodged by the
:46:57. > :47:01.developer when he started the project.
:47:01. > :47:05.When a building firm does not finish roads and a reasonable time
:47:05. > :47:10.or if it goes bust Road Service and Northern Ireland Water can take
:47:10. > :47:17.this type of enforcement action under the private streets order.
:47:17. > :47:23.The Department for regional debar - - department regional development
:47:23. > :47:26.says it is dealing with 83 sites that need to be completed. It has
:47:26. > :47:30.deployed 14 private contractors who are currently working on 23 of
:47:30. > :47:33.these sites. Residents have put up with this for a number of years.
:47:33. > :47:38.They are paying the full rates but they're not getting the full
:47:38. > :47:41.services. The problem with unfinished developments predates
:47:41. > :47:45.the recession and some builders are notorious for leaving jobs undone.
:47:45. > :47:49.But the collapse of many developers in recent years has made the
:47:49. > :47:52.situation much worse. In the case of an average sewerage works,
:47:52. > :47:58.Northern Ireland Water says that previously it would have taken
:47:58. > :48:02.enforcement action once or twice a year. But in 2010, it moved into
:48:02. > :48:07.complete 14 Sears. This figure more than double last year. Such action
:48:07. > :48:11.by Government agencies is clearly a last resort. Away can step in
:48:11. > :48:16.straight away but we want to give a developer and opportunity to finish
:48:17. > :48:20.his work. He does have an plays by- law what they call a bond which is
:48:20. > :48:24.financial security held by others. We can calling that want in order
:48:24. > :48:28.to use that money to employee other workers to carry out this work.
:48:28. > :48:36.That can create problems for workers if we calling that wants
:48:36. > :48:41.his son. What we like to give their devolved powers every opportunity.
:48:41. > :48:44.-- the developer's every power. This is not the view you would like
:48:44. > :48:48.to wake up every morning but it is the reality far residents of
:48:48. > :48:54.Silverwood Leaves in Lurgan. Houses, roads and street lighting have been
:48:54. > :49:02.left unfinished for the past six years. This area was supposed to be
:49:02. > :49:06.flattened. I am telephoning everyone. I'd get the same answer,
:49:06. > :49:11.it falls back on the builders. seems that no one wants to take
:49:11. > :49:14.responsibility of what has been left behind in this area. It will
:49:14. > :49:18.take one of the youngsters to be seriously injured before something
:49:18. > :49:27.gets done here. Resident here and in other unfinished developments
:49:27. > :49:31.have been run it -- turning to the local politicians for help. And it
:49:32. > :49:35.has prompted the Assembly's Regional Development Committee to
:49:35. > :49:41.hold an inquiry into an adopted roads and how they are dealt with
:49:41. > :49:51.the department. The committee will be examining all that findings and
:49:51. > :49:52.
:49:52. > :49:56.either negotiating to the developers of the committee.
:49:56. > :50:04.More missing documents now in her and looked at their political
:50:04. > :50:10.headlines in 60 seconds. This week in the company of Martina per day.
:50:10. > :50:18.Scandal in the Catholic Church of as Chet -- child sex abuse. Mairtin
:50:18. > :50:28.McGuinness delivers his judgement. I absolutely atrocious. LF many
:50:28. > :50:28.
:50:28. > :50:32.young people open to the Prix of this Serial -- ticket sales for the
:50:32. > :50:37.Irish Open well above par, but with weeks to goal, they still have not
:50:38. > :50:43.bagged a lead sponsor. Pomp and promises to improve as
:50:43. > :50:48.sluggish economy but no Northern Ireland bills in the Queen's Speech.
:50:48. > :50:53.And storeman became a no-go area for nationalist MLAs who were
:50:53. > :50:57.backing striking civil servants upset of a pension cuts.
:50:57. > :51:02.And hold the front page, sorry we cannot, it is missing. Can the
:51:02. > :51:12.first page of the historic Ulster Covenant be found in time for the
:51:12. > :51:13.
:51:13. > :51:17.100th anniversary? Time is running It was on the programme last week,
:51:17. > :51:22.we had the exclusive story about the special advisers and what is
:51:22. > :51:28.happening with Sammy Wilson's guidelines. What does this say
:51:28. > :51:38.about the relationship between Sinn Fein and the DP? We should look how
:51:38. > :51:38.
:51:38. > :51:47.people outside this view the issue. The thing that they commented on
:51:47. > :51:52.favourably was the purpose both parties have and they want to see
:51:53. > :52:01.more of that. I am pleased that it has been kept at a level of
:52:01. > :52:09.diplomacy. But a Samuelson is wrong we will have to back down on this.
:52:09. > :52:19.-- Sammy Wilson. There are cracks appearing now for Education and
:52:19. > :52:28.special advisers. We know that these are parties that were once
:52:28. > :52:33.with different ideal the eulogies. -- ideologies. I am not really
:52:34. > :52:43.surprised. I am also convinced that it is going nowhere, it is not
:52:44. > :52:46.
:52:46. > :52:50.doing him any good of the Executive any good. Stewart Dickson, a stunt
:52:50. > :52:55.in Mairtin O'Muilleoir's year. 10 Alastair will bring forward a
:52:55. > :53:05.private member's bill. Will you be supporting him? I do not believe we
:53:05. > :53:06.
:53:06. > :53:10.will be supporting him. There should be an open book on who you
:53:10. > :53:14.are as a special adviser. It is up to the party's then to justify why
:53:14. > :53:20.that individual is working for you. Our the bringing their skills and
:53:20. > :53:24.the knowledge to you or their past criminal convictions or whatever?
:53:24. > :53:28.By not supporting the Bill, you are saying that they do not need to go
:53:28. > :53:32.through security clearance? I am not suggesting that people should
:53:32. > :53:35.go through a vetting process. But I think there should be an open
:53:35. > :53:39.register. We need to know what people have done and why they are
:53:39. > :53:43.in the position they are in. It is up to the Court of the general
:53:43. > :53:49.public to decide whether that is a political -- wise move by a
:53:49. > :53:54.political party. Nobody has a say in this but each individual party
:53:54. > :54:01.our alliance. You can employed whoever you like?? I think the
:54:01. > :54:04.public have had their say. I think Sinn Fein have come under
:54:04. > :54:09.incredible pressure to deal with that situation. Whether they will
:54:09. > :54:14.put themselves back into that position remains to be seen. What
:54:14. > :54:23.is their problem with putting this special adviser through the
:54:23. > :54:33.security clearance? F they -- if we can have a set of criteria then we
:54:33. > :54:38.
:54:38. > :54:48.can do that. We see the unity and the person against the peace
:54:48. > :54:57.process pushing against that. The peace process, the idea of having a
:54:57. > :55:02.set of security, we all heard about security earlier run, any type of
:55:02. > :55:08.change from the system we have, I think will be a step back. We