:01:05. > :01:14.Find out later in our week in 60 Seconds.
:01:15. > :01:17.foundation to build on? What are we to make
:01:18. > :01:21.foundation to build on? What are we that he's gone home, amid
:01:22. > :01:24.disagreement and retribution? Sinn Fein and the SDLP have backed the
:01:25. > :01:27.package, the two unionist parties haven't, while Alliance is
:01:28. > :01:31.supportive of some proposals but very unhappy with others. In a
:01:32. > :01:33.moment, I'll be talking to representatives of the five main
:01:34. > :01:36.parties, but first our correspondent, Martina Purdy,
:01:37. > :01:45.examines the political drama over the latest proposals to tackle
:01:46. > :01:51.flags, parades and the past. Richard Haass, you are very welcome.
:01:52. > :01:57.This is a very serious attempt to find a solution. I would not be here
:01:58. > :02:17.unless that. I believe that the process is on life support.
:02:18. > :02:21.Some commentators have displayed -- declared the Haass process dead, and
:02:22. > :02:29.are already on the postmortem. We have a process that runs for many
:02:30. > :02:32.years, and are too many issues needing to be solved. Even one of
:02:33. > :02:38.those issues being resolved would have been a miracle, but expecting
:02:39. > :02:42.three of the issues to be done in that time frame was a nonsense right
:02:43. > :02:50.the start. Others have a more optimistic prognosis. I think there
:02:51. > :02:54.is still life there. The emphasis is on the local parties to find a
:02:55. > :02:58.remedy to the problems in the process. That requires all of them
:02:59. > :03:02.to buy in. Whether that means that there will be discussions or
:03:03. > :03:06.full-scale negotiations, we are yet to see.
:03:07. > :03:15.In the meantime, the drama can be excruciating. Some parties seem to
:03:16. > :03:19.be re-trench in now. It sends a bad example out internationally. It is
:03:20. > :03:22.embarrassing to explain this to my colleagues. On the back of the
:03:23. > :03:27.conference that we did a few months ago, will we are now having to say
:03:28. > :03:35.that we cannot get our act together, and that sends a bad message.
:03:36. > :03:39.that we cannot get our act together, complained about the process.
:03:40. > :03:42.that we cannot get our act together, is a code of conduct, and they say
:03:43. > :03:45.that the balance is against the state forces and do not like the
:03:46. > :03:54.fact that the word terrorist is not in the tech will stop Richard Haass
:03:55. > :03:57.is saying that it is unrealistic to expect everything that you want in
:03:58. > :04:02.negotiations. I do not understand why anyone would
:04:03. > :04:06.ink that is not moving ahead would be preferable. I think it is unfair
:04:07. > :04:11.to the victims and survivors who deserve better full is. I think it
:04:12. > :04:17.is very bad for Northern Ireland. Republicans want Haass indicated,
:04:18. > :04:24.not more negotiations, but are being urged to return to the table with
:04:25. > :04:29.Unionists. If there is a consensus to spend some time ironing out the
:04:30. > :04:33.issues, fine. You want to avoid where basic issues are opened up and
:04:34. > :04:36.renegotiation is an excuse not to go ahead and stop that will become
:04:37. > :04:44.apparent soon enough. Some expect that the DUP call for
:04:45. > :04:50.more talks is about buying more time. People are concerned about the
:04:51. > :04:54.electoral advantage, and the whole next year.
:04:55. > :04:58.They have their eye on that prize, and they would love to win East
:04:59. > :05:07.Belfast back. The problem for the DUP is the extent to which there are
:05:08. > :05:10.Dale tales wagging on that dog, and the concern about the feeling in the
:05:11. > :05:17.heartland areas and whether that will cause electoral damage. Even
:05:18. > :05:21.loyalists believe the Haass proposals for a much-needed
:05:22. > :05:27.examination of victims issues. All is not lost stop we try to get what
:05:28. > :05:32.we thought were reasonable suggestions.
:05:33. > :05:36.Someone listen to and not. But we do feel that there is an opportunity to
:05:37. > :05:41.move forward. Martin McGuinness is that there is a destructive elements
:05:42. > :05:44.who do not want to move on. That is a bit rich.
:05:45. > :05:55.who do not want to move on. That is Martin McGuinness is
:05:56. > :05:57.who do not want to move on. That is responsible. Some warned about
:05:58. > :06:04.division, and street violence like this unless it on flags.
:06:05. > :06:09.I think there will be more negativity, more disillusionment and
:06:10. > :06:19.cynicism. Probably that will end up in Wall Street having more tensions
:06:20. > :06:23.involved. -- many street. I worried that the two Divinity School parts.
:06:24. > :06:32.And there are economic consequence is. -- the two communities grow
:06:33. > :06:36.apart stop some of the things are happening near our office is, so it
:06:37. > :06:41.is obvious that people are concerned.
:06:42. > :06:45.It is regrettable, to say the least stop church leaders have urged our
:06:46. > :06:49.politicians not to give up. As politicians are due to meet next
:06:50. > :06:57.week, one of the options is to implement Haass in stages.
:06:58. > :06:59.Well joining me now are Sinn Fein's Gerry Kelly, the SDLP's Alex
:07:00. > :07:02.Attwood, Jeffrey Donaldson from the DUP, the Ulster Unionist Party
:07:03. > :07:04.leader, Mike Nesbitt and the Alliance Party's deputy leader,
:07:05. > :07:10.Naomi Long. Welcome to the programme. Naomi, can
:07:11. > :07:19.be clever one thing. Did your party endorse or reject this package? --
:07:20. > :07:25.can we clear up. We reserved our chance to be highly
:07:26. > :07:30.critical of what was in the document, because people expect from
:07:31. > :07:34.our party that would we are very strong about our future, and honest
:07:35. > :07:39.about our assessment of the package and what it will deliver. We were
:07:40. > :07:45.very honest about that. It was clear listening to Doctor Haass that he
:07:46. > :07:48.interpreted that you rejected the package. That may have been his
:07:49. > :07:54.interpretation, but I was very clear in the room and that is not what we
:07:55. > :08:00.did. The package fell well short of what we had called for, which was an
:08:01. > :08:08.ambitious document that addressed all
:08:09. > :08:10.ambitious document that addressed commission and stop us
:08:11. > :08:15.ambitious document that addressed progress. In the past, I have agreed
:08:16. > :08:22.with Richard Haass and we have a obligation to move it forward. On
:08:23. > :08:25.parades, I agree with his analysis, some improvements made and a way to
:08:26. > :08:29.go. Richard Haass was clear that the
:08:30. > :08:33.parties who did not sign up to the deal that the parties who did not
:08:34. > :08:41.sign up need to clarify why they did not do so full. Why did the DUP not
:08:42. > :08:45.sign up? We want the best. Where I do agree
:08:46. > :08:50.with Richard Haass is that it has to be good for victims and survivors.
:08:51. > :08:58.He says not signing up is not good. It's quite specific about that. Yes,
:08:59. > :09:15.but I want the best for them, and what is on the table at the moment
:09:16. > :09:24.is not stupid and a even a 90% of people in the right fact that
:09:25. > :09:31.government cannot acknowledge that, by that, in the case still have a
:09:32. > :09:39.ways to go to address what is have in mind of evil is clear in the
:09:40. > :09:43.document that there was something in the document for everyone including
:09:44. > :09:55.Unionists. You failed to clear the bar.
:09:56. > :10:01.It does require compromise. How do you compromise on something as the
:10:02. > :10:05.fact that 90% of the deaths in Northern Ireland were caused by
:10:06. > :10:13.terrorism and Doctor word-mac cannot even -- Doctor Haass cannot even
:10:14. > :10:17.acknowledge that. If he went and talked to the victims of
:10:18. > :10:23.described the victims of that atrocity but did not include that it
:10:24. > :10:31.was an act of terrorism, he would be chased out of New York.
:10:32. > :10:35.But you are also turning your back on some things that Richard Haass
:10:36. > :10:41.say are good for unionism, that should be what you want.
:10:42. > :10:47.We are not turning our back on anything. We need dialogue to turn
:10:48. > :10:52.the gap. We have made progress in terms of how we would deal with the
:10:53. > :10:59.past. We have made progress on parades. And on flags, we didn't get
:11:00. > :11:02.agreement there. But the opportunity is to take forward a discussion that
:11:03. > :11:10.everyone can getting gauged in. There are positives there. -- can
:11:11. > :11:19.get in gauged in. The DUP is not walking away from the table. -- can
:11:20. > :11:26.become involved in. What is agreed, and what needs to be
:11:27. > :11:35.discussed? All the five parties of the executive wanted Richard Haass
:11:36. > :11:40.to do this. We wanted to be able to do this. He listened to everyone and
:11:41. > :11:49.brought us closely guarded from the outside. -- closely gathered. All
:11:50. > :11:55.the parties were involved. We brought him in. There was a
:11:56. > :12:02.statement from the four churches saying that we should agree to the
:12:03. > :12:08.implication and we have had something that we are glad to hear
:12:09. > :12:13.about. That night it was not clear, but it is very clear now. We have
:12:14. > :12:19.three parties here, we should implement the proposals.
:12:20. > :12:27.She still wants negotiation on other points. Let me be clear. I believe
:12:28. > :12:31.that what is in the document should be implemented, but I worry that
:12:32. > :12:32.when we go to implement on parades, there
:12:33. > :12:44.need to close the gap. What Richard Haass has given us is a prescription
:12:45. > :12:52.for more torque, but I do not think it is a good prescription.
:12:53. > :12:59.You are playing with words. Naomi did not say renegotiate. She said
:13:00. > :13:09.let's implement this. Are there difficulties? Yes, there are. He
:13:10. > :13:15.said that 80 or 90% happy with the programme. When you are talking
:13:16. > :13:21.about five parties, if we could all say that, we would be doing very
:13:22. > :13:26.well will stop that was during the process.
:13:27. > :13:32.So a revised position then. He has made that clear. We do have an
:13:33. > :13:39.agreement. Now, the British and Irish governments need to get
:13:40. > :13:43.involved and talk about it in terms of implementing it. They need to say
:13:44. > :13:51.whether they are for or against the agreement. The bottom line is that
:13:52. > :13:56.what you have to do surely is reaching agreement with the
:13:57. > :14:00.Unionists, not with Richard Haass. At the moment, you and Richard Haass
:14:01. > :14:06.are singing of the same song sheet, but the Unionists are not there. The
:14:07. > :14:11.Unionists have to explain why they are not there. I have difficulties
:14:12. > :14:16.with this as well. Even within the British system, within the system
:14:17. > :14:20.they defend, the Welsh language act is protected, the Scottish language
:14:21. > :14:28.act is protected and there seems to be this pathological hatred of
:14:29. > :14:33.Irish. In the hall, this is a document we can move on with. That
:14:34. > :14:39.is what three of the parties are seeing. This is a political
:14:40. > :14:45.agreement. Every single agreement we have had, the biggest difficulty was
:14:46. > :14:46.implementation. We are dealing with three issues which were already
:14:47. > :14:59.dealt three issues which were already
:15:00. > :15:06.were 80 or 90% there. Then what changed? I said the ten or 20% not
:15:07. > :15:16.over the line represented serious issues for us. Gerry Kelly is
:15:17. > :15:18.misrepresenting my position. It was an initiative from the First
:15:19. > :15:30.Minister and Deputy First Minister. The other three parties bought into
:15:31. > :15:35.it. Who would not agree to enter into a process that would see better
:15:36. > :15:40.outcomes on these issues? The most important and significant
:15:41. > :15:43.intervention since Richard Haass went home came on Friday when the
:15:44. > :15:51.Irish foreign affairs minister, in response to the -- to the debate on
:15:52. > :15:58.who was responsible for the car bombs, said it was an act of
:15:59. > :16:02.terrorism against innocent victims. If it is good enough for Dublin, why
:16:03. > :16:16.isn't it good enough for bloody Friday in Belfast? The British were
:16:17. > :16:24.involved in that. Was it terrorism? I am not talking about who was
:16:25. > :16:32.responsible. You asked me a question. Terrorism can come from
:16:33. > :16:36.governments as well. Let's move on. Is it worth sinking the entire
:16:37. > :16:41.process which Richard Haass says would be good for everyone in
:16:42. > :16:44.Northern Ireland on the basis of trying to get Jerry Kelly to sign up
:16:45. > :16:53.to your narrative and use of language? It is not my narrative. It
:16:54. > :16:59.is the rule of law. The 2000 Terrorism Act gives a definition of
:17:00. > :17:03.terrorism. I uphold the rule of law. Richard Haass says this would be
:17:04. > :17:18.good for victims and survivors. Richard Haass says this would be
:17:19. > :17:21.proposals. They didn't want it. You are the leader of a political party
:17:22. > :17:27.which represents an awful what of people. Some of them are victims.
:17:28. > :17:31.Are you not have a mandate to take difficult decisions and then explain
:17:32. > :17:35.them to people who support you and don't support you based on the
:17:36. > :17:39.decisions you have taken? That is political leadership. I have agreed
:17:40. > :17:45.with the victims I have spoken to that it was not a good deal because
:17:46. > :17:50.it was airbrushing terrorism out of history. My leadership was to say I
:17:51. > :17:55.would not allow that to happen. You are not undermined by your party
:17:56. > :18:01.Executive? You didn't find the rug pulled from under your feet? A lot
:18:02. > :18:04.of people think that happen. The words of the motion are the words
:18:05. > :18:08.that I wrote. We have some optimism because we have a meeting on Tuesday
:18:09. > :18:13.of the five parties. I think that should happen and it should be a
:18:14. > :18:18.quiet conversation. The big story this week is not the fallout from
:18:19. > :18:26.Haass, it is the fallout from closure of accident and emergency
:18:27. > :18:33.units. You can't pretend that Haass isn't also a huge issue. Let's do it
:18:34. > :18:39.quietly and get on with it the way we are supposed to do, at Stormont.
:18:40. > :18:45.Dealing with the issue of language, Gerry Adams has recently described
:18:46. > :18:54.some IRA activities as murder. I don't have any issue with saying
:18:55. > :19:04.that there was terror imposed on this island by paramilitary
:19:05. > :19:16.organisations. Did this document deliver a possibility for both sides
:19:17. > :19:19.to agree on those issues? Everybody agrees the position of greatest
:19:20. > :19:30.strength in agrees the position of greatest
:19:31. > :19:36.mentioned the comments made by the minister in Dublin. He also said
:19:37. > :19:38.that his understanding of Haass was the Irish state, if there was a
:19:39. > :19:45.truth and recovery process, would have to give all the information.
:19:46. > :19:48.That demonstrated the Irish government is now thinking about the
:19:49. > :19:52.implementation of Haass. That is something the British government
:19:53. > :19:58.should now think about. Are they prepared to say that when it comes
:19:59. > :20:03.to Haass and its implementation, all British records will be made
:20:04. > :20:08.available. Those are the questions we should be concentrating on, in
:20:09. > :20:12.order that we don't let down the victims and survivors again. They
:20:13. > :20:19.have suffered the most and they deserve the most. What compromises
:20:20. > :20:22.did the SDLP make? Unionists said they were not prepared to make the
:20:23. > :20:29.compromises which were being demanded of them. What did you give
:20:30. > :20:36.up on that was geared to you? We have been loyal defenders of the
:20:37. > :20:43.parades commission. Another is described the parades commission as
:20:44. > :20:50.cheerleaders for sectarianism, the SDLP access it as the rule of law
:20:51. > :20:54.the parades commission. We had conversations with Jeffrey Donaldson
:20:55. > :21:02.that we were prepared to look again at the architecture around parading.
:21:03. > :21:05.But the other parties could not compromise on that important access
:21:06. > :21:10.between rights, responsibility and relationships which was at the core
:21:11. > :21:16.of resolving the dispute on parades. So we did compromise. There are
:21:17. > :21:22.issues in this document were rethink through implementation we can get
:21:23. > :21:26.even better. But do not know put in jeopardy the best chance since 1998
:21:27. > :21:32.to deal with some of the biggest issues we have never faced up to the
:21:33. > :21:33.four. There has been a lot of discussion over the last ten days
:21:34. > :21:46.about what went wrong and discussion over the last ten days
:21:47. > :21:56.two governments? Do we need to see David Cameron and Enda Kenny step in
:21:57. > :22:00.to be more proactive? My reservation about the proposals on flags are
:22:01. > :22:06.that if we couldn't even discuss those issues when they were on the
:22:07. > :22:11.table, how do you take that forward? The governments need to be
:22:12. > :22:15.involved. They are not by standards. They are protagonists in
:22:16. > :22:20.the troubles and the need to be involved. I think we are starting to
:22:21. > :22:24.see some evidence of that happening. I am sceptical about how hands only
:22:25. > :22:29.want to be. Important thing Richard Haass said was that more time will
:22:30. > :22:33.not solve this, it is more of leadership that is required. I don't
:22:34. > :22:37.want the parties to be involved in another process which will be
:22:38. > :22:41.rehashed the last six months. I think the public are tired of our
:22:42. > :22:52.arguments. They want to see delivery. The real progress will be
:22:53. > :23:03.who can deliver these agreements. We cannot resolve this unless we can
:23:04. > :23:05.get some issues off the table. Some parties want to implement what is
:23:06. > :23:14.there and you want to renegotiate what is there. How do court that
:23:15. > :23:24.circle? There isn't agreement. You can't implement something that is
:23:25. > :23:29.not agreed. There needs to be agreement between the five parties.
:23:30. > :23:34.Don't yet have an agreement. For people to talk about implementation
:23:35. > :23:38.when we don't have an agreement is an very best premature. We need to
:23:39. > :23:42.close the gap on whether our areas where there is not agreement. I
:23:43. > :23:50.believe that can be done. Based on the discussions we had during those
:23:51. > :23:52.talks... Jerry Kelly has said he does not except your narrative.
:23:53. > :23:57.talks... Jerry Kelly has said he narratives. One of the things which
:23:58. > :24:02.came out of narratives. One of the things which
:24:03. > :24:07.acceptance by all that there is not a single narrative. Unfortunately
:24:08. > :24:14.Mike continually wants to say there is a single narrative. If it is good
:24:15. > :24:21.enough for Aidan Gilmour and Irish government and for Gerry Adams to
:24:22. > :24:26.use the term murder in relation to some of the activities of the IRA,
:24:27. > :24:35.why isn't it good enough for you? I didn't say it wasn't good enough for
:24:36. > :24:41.me. Mike has reduced this down. Terrorism is mentioned in the
:24:42. > :24:44.document. One of the issues is language. We are prepared in all of
:24:45. > :24:49.this to deal with the issue of language. I repeat this again and
:24:50. > :25:00.again. There are a series of narratives. He is confusing
:25:01. > :25:07.narrative and facts. Those car bombs were acts of terrorism. Let's end on
:25:08. > :25:11.looking to the future rather than the past. Give us a timescale for
:25:12. > :25:18.sorting this out. Tuesday will tell a tale. Peter Robinson once a
:25:19. > :25:23.working group to resolve differences. Martin McGuinness once
:25:24. > :25:30.a working group to implement Haass. They have to work jointly and it is
:25:31. > :25:42.up to them to implement this. Will the British government confirm that
:25:43. > :25:50.whatever they are prepared to fund and show leadership, I think that
:25:51. > :25:54.will be a position of strength. Irish government have already shown
:25:55. > :25:58.leadership. We need to leave there. No doubt we will need to return to
:25:59. > :26:03.these important issues in the future.
:26:04. > :26:07.Thank you all very much. I'm joined from London by the Secretary of
:26:08. > :26:17.State, Theresa Villiers. Thank you for
:26:18. > :26:20.State, Theresa Villiers. Thank you was recently made we will come back
:26:21. > :26:24.to in a moment. Has the time now come for the two governments to step
:26:25. > :26:30.up to the plate and take ownership of this issue? Both governments have
:26:31. > :26:34.been supportive and involved from the outset. Before this process was
:26:35. > :26:40.set up, myself, my predecessor and the Prime Minister continually
:26:41. > :26:46.pressed and encouraged the Executive to move forward on a range of issues
:26:47. > :26:49.to help heal sectarian issues. We were delighted when these proposals
:26:50. > :26:55.were published. I thought it was a good idea to have this further
:26:56. > :27:02.process on three of these enormously difficult issues. Throughout, I have
:27:03. > :27:05.worked with the parties in Northern Ireland to support that process and
:27:06. > :27:11.encourage everyone to find a way to move forward on these difficult
:27:12. > :27:15.issues. You deliberately adopted an arms length approach during
:27:16. > :27:21.negotiations. They have failed. If you want to avoid political drift,
:27:22. > :27:27.you need to re-engage ready quickly. I am engaged and will continue to
:27:28. > :27:32.being gauged. I think it is wrong to say that it has failed. Even with
:27:33. > :27:39.the robust discussion you have just had. A lot of the parties are seeing
:27:40. > :27:42.the parties are saying there is a willingness to continue the
:27:43. > :27:45.conversation. What came out from the discussion you have had is that the
:27:46. > :27:50.meeting between party leaders on Tuesday will be very important. That
:27:51. > :27:54.is an opportunity for them to keep this process alive and keep working.
:27:55. > :27:58.I think there is a lot to be said for trying to narrow down the issues
:27:59. > :28:05.of difference between the parties to try to focus on a further discussion
:28:06. > :28:11.to see if we can get this agreement across the line. I suppose my
:28:12. > :28:16.question is, if that something you expect the parties to do on their
:28:17. > :28:19.own in a room around a table? Or are you an Irish government going to
:28:20. > :28:22.help facilitate that discussion? They didn't manage to sort those
:28:23. > :28:40.issues with Richard Haass that on their own?
:28:41. > :28:44.We are prepared to facilitate, but we will only get a solution if there
:28:45. > :28:50.is a cross-party agreement within Northern Ireland. In many senses,
:28:51. > :28:54.that was the whole point of devolution, so that decisions on
:28:55. > :28:59.crucial issues like this could be made by the people elected by the
:29:00. > :29:04.people of Northern Ireland. Explain what you mean when you say that you
:29:05. > :29:08.want to encourage and facilitate agreement and discussion. What does
:29:09. > :29:12.that mean? Does that mean that you will chat discussions of that is
:29:13. > :29:15.necessary, that she will call them together, or you will sit on the
:29:16. > :29:22.sidelines and let them get on with it on their own?
:29:23. > :29:29.If I was asked to comment cherry process, I would. -- to chair a
:29:30. > :29:34.process. I hope that they will respond to the many comments in
:29:35. > :29:39.Parliament this week when MPs from across the house and size to how
:29:40. > :29:45.important it was to seize this opportunity. I think considerable
:29:46. > :29:51.common ground was built up between the parties, even the parties who
:29:52. > :29:55.cannot accept proposals yet seem willing to continue to have a
:29:56. > :29:59.conversation to try and resolve those outstanding issues. That is
:30:00. > :30:03.the important thing for the party leaders to bear in mind. If those
:30:04. > :30:08.issues were easy to resolve, they would have been fixed years ago.
:30:09. > :30:14.What about Alex Attwood's specific point, are the British Government
:30:15. > :30:21.prepared to fund and implement the Haass proposals? The British
:30:22. > :30:26.Government says that the proposals should largely be funded by the
:30:27. > :30:33.block grant, which we already provide to Northern Ireland. We
:30:34. > :30:37.already provide other funds to the Irish government. If they want to
:30:38. > :30:49.come to the British Government, and ask for more funding, we will
:30:50. > :30:55.come to the British Government, and Alex act would -- Alex Attwood be
:30:56. > :30:59.promised that he asked for, because we think that the funding should
:31:00. > :31:06.already come from the ground that they already get from the executive.
:31:07. > :31:12.I am joined by Alison Morris from the Irish News and Neill clerk from
:31:13. > :31:18.the Belfast Telegraph. That was a very clear answer from Alex
:31:19. > :31:22.Attwood's question. No additional funds at this stage. These
:31:23. > :31:27.potentially expensive bodies would have to be paid from by the block
:31:28. > :31:33.grant. She's did not say no, she said at
:31:34. > :31:37.this stage. There is some room, but it was one thing that was not
:31:38. > :31:43.counted for when they did the Haass negotiations. It was not considered
:31:44. > :31:49.how much it would cost to implement. It was all right not counting the
:31:50. > :31:52.cost during the Good Friday negotiations because Tony Blair was
:31:53. > :31:58.there to foot the bill with the booming economy. Stopping violence
:31:59. > :32:02.is something that the economy should focus on, and it is a bit disturbing
:32:03. > :32:08.that it is not being focused on at the moment, they are focusing on
:32:09. > :32:13.whether or not words like terrorism are included.
:32:14. > :32:17.Is it surprising that it is the language that is dividing people at
:32:18. > :32:23.the moment? You do not get the sense from the
:32:24. > :32:26.two Unionist representatives, they are painting themselves into a
:32:27. > :32:33.corner. It is unlikely that you could get Sinn Fein to agree to the
:32:34. > :32:39.word terrorism. It was said that the people who were acting illegally had
:32:40. > :32:43.to bear the greatest responsibility for the Troubles.
:32:44. > :32:47.We have parties who want to implement and others who want to
:32:48. > :32:51.negotiate. Where did we go from here? It will be very interesting to
:32:52. > :32:55.see the outcome of the leaders meeting. We did find out there was
:32:56. > :33:07.an issue involving the use of meeting. We did find out there was
:33:08. > :33:11.brought relief to the survivors and victims, I think many of them will
:33:12. > :33:15.be disappointed that the issue of language is halting what could give
:33:16. > :33:22.them a recovery process. It is a good example of politics in
:33:23. > :33:26.Northern Ireland, that if it is good for one side the other side you not
:33:27. > :33:31.think it is good for them. Is it that simple? I think that once Sinn
:33:32. > :33:36.Fein agree to it, it is difficult for the DUP to give it to their
:33:37. > :33:41.electorate. People wanted to bring it into the commission and give them
:33:42. > :33:44.an opportunity to get rid of it before the next elections. What they
:33:45. > :33:51.have done is halt that process. We will hear more from you soon. We
:33:52. > :34:01.will look at the political week gone past in 60 seconds.
:34:02. > :34:06.Heavy rain and strong winds brought fears of flooding and there were
:34:07. > :34:11.stormy seas to navigate. The idea that this agreement can keep on
:34:12. > :34:15.being negotiated and sometimes positions will change dramatically
:34:16. > :34:21.and the parties will change dramatically is not realistic.
:34:22. > :34:27.Tributes were paid to Paul Goggins who died on Wednesday. I first met
:34:28. > :34:35.him when he was Northern Ireland Minister, and he was outstanding.
:34:36. > :34:42.There was a major incident at the Royal Victoria Hospital due to a
:34:43. > :34:52.backlog of patients in a Haass. We -- in A Mac. We have had an
:34:53. > :34:57.unreasonable amount of patience. And might we see Richard Haass again?
:34:58. > :35:07.Would you come back if it sorted it out once and for all?
:35:08. > :35:11.The few final thoughts from Alison Morris and Liam Clarke. That laugh
:35:12. > :35:16.was very telling. He is not Morris and Liam Clarke. That laugh
:35:17. > :35:23.if he would come Morris and Liam Clarke. That laugh
:35:24. > :35:30.impression that Richard Haass would intervene again, but not on that
:35:31. > :35:38.long-term basis. Was he ruling himself out about being axed back --
:35:39. > :35:43.asked back? I do not think there is a point in him coming back. The
:35:44. > :35:48.parties need to agree with each other, not with Doctor Haass. They
:35:49. > :35:54.need to get the Unionist parties on board and the few concerns that the
:35:55. > :35:59.Alliance Party have. Will we ever going to see
:36:00. > :36:04.agreement? They agreed the devolution of policing and justice
:36:05. > :36:11.before an election. It is possible that if the politicians want to do
:36:12. > :36:16.it that it would, but the mood is not very good at the moment, and we
:36:17. > :36:24.have Monday and Tuesday's meeting. What would you be hoping for in that
:36:25. > :36:29.meeting? Any sort of group that is setup is currently seen as a
:36:30. > :36:33.delaying tactic. The concerns have to be met before the election. That
:36:34. > :36:38.way, they can say that they are working on the issues, without
:36:39. > :36:43.committing themselves to anything. And he for joining us on the
:36:44. > :36:53.programme. That is it for today. I will be back tonight. Mont Today.
:36:54. > :37:15.Thank you for joining us. Goodbye. -- for storm want today.