:00:46. > :00:49.Good afternoon. Welcome to Sunday Politics.
:00:49. > :00:53.It is decision day for Greece as the country goes to the polls for
:00:53. > :01:00.the second time this year. Results determine Greek membership of the
:01:00. > :01:04.bureau and could plunge Europe into economic chaos.
:01:04. > :01:11.During the first Gulf war, Britain sent 53,000 troops to the Middle
:01:11. > :01:19.East. Could we fuel anything like that kind of firepower again? I
:01:19. > :01:22.will speak to the Secretary of State for Defence Philip Hammond.
:01:22. > :01:25.And on Sunday Politics Scotland, the SNP Leader of Argyll & Bute
:01:25. > :01:34.Council, admits they made a mistake trying to ban Martha's School Meal
:01:34. > :01:39.blog. And same sex marriage. And I would
:01:39. > :01:43.apologise to mar that if it has cost her any... We will be trying
:01:43. > :01:46.to find a way forward. The Equality Network and the Catholic Church go
:01:46. > :01:49.head to head over how they want the Scottish government to legislate.
:01:49. > :01:59.And as the Euro house of cards wobbles, we ask the Scotland Office
:01:59. > :01:59.
:01:59. > :24:30.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1350 seconds
:24:30. > :24:38.how they plan to protect Scotland's We are not comparing ourselves with
:24:38. > :24:48.the Americans. Workforces, even after the changes announced, will
:24:48. > :24:49.
:24:49. > :24:59.be, after the Americans, one of the biggest in the world. Let us look
:24:59. > :25:00.
:25:00. > :25:08.at Syria. What resources could we contribute? The UK has a fast
:25:08. > :25:13.capability. And no aircraft carriers. We have an air base in
:25:13. > :25:18.Cyprus. It would give us the ability to mount operations in the
:25:18. > :25:28.eastern Mediterranean. A bar to lure strategy involves cutting
:25:28. > :25:40.
:25:40. > :25:47.full-time troops and replacing The experts do not think you can
:25:47. > :25:51.compensate. Frankly, the experts are in the British are made and
:25:51. > :25:55.they do think that the Territorial Army can play a more significant
:25:55. > :26:01.role. Under the last government, training budgets for the
:26:01. > :26:05.Territorials were cut. The proxy covenant between the Territorial
:26:05. > :26:12.Army and the reservists. They did not get the training they were
:26:12. > :26:16.promised. What we have done is committed to ring-fenced budget,
:26:16. > :26:22.�1.8 billion over 10 years to provide the Ket and training that
:26:22. > :26:27.the Territorial Army need. They will be integrated more effectively
:26:27. > :26:32.into the regular Army. It has already been talked about that much
:26:32. > :26:36.closer linking of the Territorial Army units with regular units. They
:26:36. > :26:41.can then train together and work up their sticker -- skills together.
:26:41. > :26:47.We believe they would be of significant support. Particularly
:26:47. > :26:52.in a sustained operation. In future, if we do get involved in a
:26:52. > :27:00.sustained operation, as we get into the second and third year, he will
:27:00. > :27:05.start to see bigger proportions of a verb -- reservists. Many famous
:27:05. > :27:12.regiments are on the line in your cuts. Can you guarantee that
:27:12. > :27:22.historic regiments will be just as much of the brunt as English once -
:27:22. > :27:25.
:27:25. > :27:31.- Scottish ones. It is focused on how to distribute the reductions in
:27:31. > :27:36.manpower across everything that is based on military Wrobel -- logic
:27:36. > :27:41.will the English or Scottish regiments bear the brunt? I can
:27:41. > :27:48.tell you that the way it is done will be demonstrably failed --
:27:49. > :27:54.demonstrably fair. So that people in the wider community see it as
:27:54. > :28:00.spare and, based on proper logical and -- analysis. Your defence
:28:00. > :28:04.spending, you are some that starts to rise again by 1% in real terms
:28:04. > :28:11.after 2015. The Chancellor has told us there will have to be more
:28:11. > :28:15.spending cuts in 2016 and 2017. Has the then Speaker exempted? The 1%
:28:15. > :28:20.increase in after 2015 is only on the equipment programme. Our budget
:28:21. > :28:25.has been built on the assumption which has agreed with the Treasury
:28:25. > :28:30.that there will be a 1% increase in the equipment purchase and support.
:28:30. > :28:40.Whatever cuts happen elsewhere, you will get that extra 1%? That is the
:28:40. > :28:49.
:28:49. > :28:56.Back welcome to Sunday's politics Scotland.
:28:56. > :28:59.Coming up, we ask Scotland Office minister if they think the spending
:28:59. > :29:03.plans for Trident will play badly and Scotland.
:29:03. > :29:08.An epic scale for Argyll and Bute council as this quiet Highland
:29:08. > :29:18.village becomes the focus of intense worldwide interest. The
:29:18. > :29:20.
:29:20. > :29:24.school dinner Sagar,... There is no PR jargon, people are blunt about
:29:24. > :29:27.what they think about products and services. There has been a lot of
:29:27. > :29:31.beer and that fear is older men back from engaging.
:29:32. > :29:35.As figures out this week show marriage is on the rise in Scotland,
:29:35. > :29:38.we ask the Equality Network and the collet -- Catholic Church what they
:29:38. > :29:44.think will come out of the government's same-sex marriage
:29:44. > :29:48.consultation. If you have spent the past week
:29:48. > :29:51.going to the revolving door of politicians appearing at Leveson or
:29:51. > :29:56.watching a flame pass by your street, you may have missed a few
:29:56. > :30:02.very significant financial announcements. Our business and
:30:02. > :30:06.economy Ender has the highlights. What money would Scott Hughes if we
:30:06. > :30:10.bought for independence? Would it be a Scottish Power and or perhaps
:30:11. > :30:15.the euro though not too popular right now. Would it be this from
:30:15. > :30:20.the Bank of England. This is the front-runner. The implications of
:30:20. > :30:25.an independent Scotland currency being run from Scotland are causing
:30:26. > :30:30.more trouble than any other issue. In reassuring people that
:30:30. > :30:34.investments and markets will be stable through the transition,
:30:34. > :30:37.Scotland's finance minister at John Swinney went further this week. He
:30:37. > :30:44.suggested regulation of Scotland's banks should be overseen from
:30:44. > :30:51.London. The Bank of England is as much an institution of Scotland as
:30:51. > :30:54.cities of any other part of the United Kingdom. It is essentially
:30:54. > :30:58.providing the type of financial activity that an independent
:30:58. > :31:05.Scotland would require. It happens to provide that within the United
:31:05. > :31:15.Kingdom. What Whitehall agree to that? If so, on what conditions? Is
:31:15. > :31:18.
:31:18. > :31:23.it legal under European law? If other financial powers are a shade
:31:23. > :31:27.between Edinburgh and London, would it look much like independence? The
:31:27. > :31:33.awkward contact the -- context is a currency union across the North Sea
:31:33. > :31:42.is feeling. There is a lack of the but it -- political and fiscal
:31:42. > :31:46.union. That crisis is casting a big shadow over economy. The world
:31:46. > :31:52.economy is a much less welcoming environment in which to rebalance
:31:52. > :31:57.the UK economy than two years ago. Not only have the euro area
:31:57. > :32:02.problems escalated, to the point where exit for Greece and other
:32:02. > :32:06.countries is the subject of widespread speculation, but signs
:32:06. > :32:12.of a slowing in China, India and other previously buoyant in
:32:12. > :32:17.emerging economies such as Brazil are appearing daily. It is more
:32:17. > :32:23.than two years since market started punishing other countries for not
:32:23. > :32:28.paying off debts. This weekend in Greece sees a showdown between
:32:28. > :32:36.markets and porters. If austerity is rejected, it may spread
:32:36. > :32:42.contagion to other countries. In turn, that could severely weakened
:32:42. > :32:52.banks based in strong economies, Germany, the Netherlands, vital
:32:52. > :32:53.
:32:53. > :32:59.trading partners for us. The Treasury and Bank of England, and
:32:59. > :33:03.this crisis that helps the supply of credit. The problem looks like
:33:03. > :33:08.an increasing lack of demand. Businesses look at the economic
:33:08. > :33:16.weather and they do not want to take a risk on investment.
:33:16. > :33:22.If Anna Westminster studio, we have the Conservative MP David Mundell.
:33:22. > :33:26.Lot of worries about the economy. The SNP are trying to reassure
:33:26. > :33:30.people about the economy and an independent Scotland. We have the
:33:30. > :33:34.Finance Secretary John Swinney saying that retaining the pound
:33:34. > :33:42.under independence is in the best interests of Scotland and for the
:33:42. > :33:45.UK. I think that John Swinney was trying to reassure people as to
:33:45. > :33:50.what the economic situation in Scotland would be after
:33:50. > :33:57.independence, he has seriously have failed. He has raised more
:33:57. > :34:01.questions than he has answered. The issue remains for the SNP who were
:34:01. > :34:08.here again today. They do not want to talk about independence to
:34:08. > :34:13.people in Scotland. What they mean by independence. If they want to
:34:13. > :34:19.keep the arrangements for the currency exactly as they are, what
:34:19. > :34:26.is the purpose of independence? Their proposal would give Scotland
:34:26. > :34:32.much less say over the power and. The Bank of England would not be
:34:32. > :34:42.required to take interest into account. As the Ducie that they
:34:42. > :34:45.
:34:45. > :34:51.could have a Scottish member on the Monetary Policy Committee. --
:34:51. > :34:54.reduce C. They are certain things that the EC have already been
:34:54. > :34:59.discussed. There have been no discussions with the Bank of
:34:59. > :35:04.England about how an independent Scotland would seek to operate. All
:35:04. > :35:09.these things are simply assertions. It is like the issue with the EU,
:35:09. > :35:15.there have been no sub-standard discussions about Scotland would be
:35:15. > :35:19.part of the European Community. All these things have not been thought
:35:19. > :35:23.through and it is only now that the spotlight is coming on what
:35:23. > :35:27.independence actually means that the SNP are finally having to
:35:27. > :35:33.answer questions about these really significant issues for economy.
:35:33. > :35:39.us look at the bank lending scheme that was announced. The SNP claim
:35:39. > :35:45.this is papering over the cracks. There are substantial ways to boost
:35:45. > :35:51.jobs and the economy. I have heard so much about the shop already
:35:51. > :35:55.projects. The answer to them is that the SNP have had over �1
:35:55. > :35:59.billion in addition monies which they did not to participate from
:35:59. > :36:02.the consequence -- Comprehensive spending Review. They could take
:36:02. > :36:08.policy choices to spend money on the show already projects. They
:36:08. > :36:13.have not done so. This whole exercise is actually a smokescreen
:36:13. > :36:18.for not taking responsibility for for their own policy decisions.
:36:18. > :36:22.That is what having a parliament is about. It is about making decisions
:36:22. > :36:27.and taking responsibility for them. The SNP have chosen not to proceed
:36:27. > :36:36.with their own budget for these shop already projects. If Mr
:36:36. > :36:42.Salmond wants to take that issue, he should not the British
:36:42. > :36:46.government. They Greeks are going to the polls. What is a concern for
:36:46. > :36:53.Scotland if Greece believes the euro? What is David Cameron doing
:36:53. > :37:03.in Mexico? It is a matter for the Greek people as to who they bought
:37:03. > :37:12.for her and we will see that later on today. -- Gaisce Awards. It is
:37:12. > :37:19.beneficial that Greece remains within the euro. There is no doubt
:37:19. > :37:24.that it would impact on the halt the UK. It would impact on Scotland.
:37:24. > :37:29.We cannot isolate our economy as we have seen across the UK and in
:37:29. > :37:32.Scotland from what is happening in the Eurozone. We must hope that we
:37:33. > :37:42.can get a resolution in Greece which sees Greece stay in the
:37:43. > :37:46.
:37:47. > :37:52.Eurozone but with, on a basis that allows that to be sustainable.
:37:52. > :37:57.us look at another issue. Philip Hammond was spelling out his plans
:37:57. > :38:01.for its nuclear reactors. This has been the reaction from the SNP.
:38:01. > :38:07.This is the tip of the expert is far as expenditure is concerned. It
:38:07. > :38:13.is estimated that the outturn across the weapons system could be
:38:13. > :38:17.up to �25 billion. What is quite clear from Scotland is that the
:38:17. > :38:23.people of Scotland are opposed to nuclear weapons systems on the
:38:23. > :38:29.Clyde. The Scottish Parliament is supposed. An issue but civic
:38:29. > :38:33.Scotland, the Scottish churches are paused and saw the trade unions. It
:38:33. > :38:37.is an obscenity that we are pressing ahead at this time with
:38:37. > :38:44.this particular system. Pressing ahead with this system, David
:38:44. > :38:48.Mundell, as he was pointing out, the Scottish population as opposed
:38:48. > :38:54.to this. This will not play well for you in Scotland on the approach
:38:54. > :39:00.to the referendum, will it? I think his response is entirely
:39:00. > :39:04.predictable. I think he would be better spending his time telling us
:39:04. > :39:09.how independent Scotland is going to be defended. The government
:39:09. > :39:13.policies are quite clear. What we don't know was what the SNP plan
:39:13. > :39:23.for Defence in relation to Scott Flinders. We do not know what we
:39:23. > :39:26.
:39:26. > :39:30.will be in or out of any tour. -- NATO. We also know that there are
:39:30. > :39:40.thousands of jobs in Scotland related to Faslane. We have heard
:39:40. > :39:43.
:39:44. > :39:47.nothing about how they will go to be redeployed. I think the sub-
:39:47. > :39:52.standard question on defence are for the SNP to answer. He were
:39:52. > :39:58.talking about plans under independence. Scottish CND have
:39:58. > :40:04.published their plan on disarmament. This leaves the UK Government and
:40:04. > :40:09.effects of Scotland becomes independent. I think everyone
:40:09. > :40:12.understands although the SNP's seemed no unwilling to admit it,
:40:12. > :40:19.but there will be significant differences in Scotland is
:40:19. > :40:25.independent. There will be differences on defence, a currency,
:40:25. > :40:30.our economy, potential differences in membership of the EU. They must
:40:30. > :40:33.tell us what these differences would mean, what an independent
:40:34. > :40:39.Scotland would look like and why it is better than the arrangement we
:40:39. > :40:47.have as part of the United Kingdom. The onus is on them to come up with
:40:47. > :40:50.the answers. Thank you. A social media onslaught forced a
:40:50. > :40:55.small Scottish Council into a spectacular U-turn this week.
:40:55. > :40:59.Martha Payne was briefly banned from posting snaps of her school
:40:59. > :41:02.dinners by a goal and Bute Council. Widely regarded as heavy handed,
:41:03. > :41:07.little did they realise the global support this nine-year-old would
:41:07. > :41:12.receive. As the story served up the perfect
:41:12. > :41:15.tasty treat for journalists around the world. A little girl from her
:41:15. > :41:19.health was the third most talked- about subject on global Twitter.
:41:19. > :41:24.Martha's meals had already attracted attention but this
:41:24. > :41:29.newspaper article was too much for Argyll and Bute Council. It was
:41:29. > :41:36.banned. It was disappointing because I know how much more song
:41:36. > :41:42.was enjoying it. It was a shame that it happened so suddenly
:41:42. > :41:47.through no fault of our own. Due in the course of the day, celebrity
:41:47. > :41:52.chefs expect him and social media flexed its new-found muscles.
:41:52. > :41:57.Politicians also stepped in. There was a change of heart. I would
:41:57. > :42:03.encourage the child to continue doing what she is doing. To be fair
:42:03. > :42:07.to the child, she has rated Argyll and Bute school meals 10 out of 10.
:42:08. > :42:12.20 years ago, a child banned from carrying out her own project would
:42:12. > :42:16.not have merited a mention in the local paper. It touched a nerve.
:42:16. > :42:22.There was concern for the council was being heavy-handed. As the
:42:22. > :42:27.story flashed around the world, Twitter users decided it was an
:42:27. > :42:32.injustice and piled the pressure on. The social media element comes on
:42:32. > :42:37.and it does not get left on one website. It course round and
:42:37. > :42:43.everyone is adding their feedback, their opinions and the council have
:42:43. > :42:48.seen that everyone was talking about it. Without having a thought-
:42:48. > :42:53.out plan, we have made a mess of it. Quirky stories have also attracted
:42:53. > :42:57.public attention. Now the rise of alternative publishing means people
:42:57. > :43:02.power can challenge judicial authorities in ways that it could
:43:02. > :43:12.never have been imagined. Just before we came on air, I spoke
:43:12. > :43:16.
:43:16. > :43:23.to a councillor. It was a very bad experience. We got it wrong at the
:43:23. > :43:30.start. I am happy to admit that. I hoped we have rectified that.
:43:30. > :43:38.do you think it had such an air? always hits a nerve regarding
:43:38. > :43:44.school dinners. I fully appreciate that. I hoped we can rectify this
:43:44. > :43:50.as soon as possible. Do you appreciate how this taps into the
:43:50. > :43:56.frustrations a lot of parents have with councils such as or more
:43:56. > :44:04.zealous child protection. --? fully understand the concern of
:44:04. > :44:09.parents. Frustration is something we must work together with to try
:44:09. > :44:17.to sort out. Sometimes common sense flies out the window, but hopefully,
:44:17. > :44:23.common sense will prevail. Their two sides to this story. A lot of
:44:23. > :44:33.people supported the council's position. That is understandable as
:44:33. > :44:37.well. We are 100 % behind what the child is doing. As you said, there
:44:37. > :44:47.is another side to the story. We have spoken to the dinner staff for
:44:47. > :44:51.
:44:51. > :44:56.more than two weeks now. We had a meeting set up with Mr Payne. In my
:44:56. > :45:06.opinion, the dinner ladies have been wrongly caught in the middle
:45:06. > :45:08.
:45:08. > :45:11.of this whole fiasco. There is no blame whatsoever on them. It has
:45:11. > :45:21.been an upsetting time for the council. What made you change your
:45:21. > :45:21.
:45:21. > :45:25.mind. --? The only thing that made us change our mind was that we got
:45:25. > :45:29.it wrong and decided to readdress that as soon as possible. There is
:45:29. > :45:39.nothing wrong with admitting you are wrong. We're doing our very
:45:39. > :45:48.
:45:48. > :45:55.best to rectify it. What was the Michael Russell is the hour MSP. I
:45:55. > :46:01.have been in constant contact with him on this. After the second press
:46:01. > :46:04.release went out for the council he telephoned me just to have a
:46:05. > :46:11.conversation regarding that. you speak to Michael Russell
:46:11. > :46:17.yourself? I spoke with them later on in the afternoon. It was not 10
:46:17. > :46:24.who made you change your mind and the council's mind? Definitely not.
:46:24. > :46:28.That would never happen. He and I have an understanding. He is the
:46:28. > :46:33.elected leader of Argyll & Bute Council. Irrespective of which
:46:33. > :46:39.party are in power in Hollywood, he would continue to work with whoever
:46:39. > :46:44.holds power in Holyrood. We will continue to do that. What lessons
:46:44. > :46:51.can be learned from this? We have seen an onslaught from social media.
:46:51. > :46:58.It seems like your council might have been living in the dark Ages?
:46:58. > :47:02.I agree with you 100%. We will be smartening up on social media. You
:47:02. > :47:08.learn from your mistakes. The first thing to do is admit we have made a
:47:08. > :47:17.mistake. We will learn from this and move on from this. The longer
:47:17. > :47:24.we try to attach blame to this day later we will solve the problem.
:47:24. > :47:28.Are you going to apologise? I would certainly apologise to the girl
:47:28. > :47:37.effect has caused her any angst whatsoever. I will be meeting her
:47:37. > :47:41.father on Thursday to see if we can find a way forward. We have met
:47:41. > :47:49.with the catering staff and teachers from the school and agreed
:47:49. > :47:55.a way forward. Unfortunately this blew up right in the middle of a
:47:55. > :48:00.these meeting. What can a council do to avoid a PR disaster like
:48:00. > :48:10.this? It is hard to comment. We have only been the council's
:48:10. > :48:15.
:48:15. > :48:21.communications team since the 22nd. -- May 22nd. Now the news. Good
:48:21. > :48:25.afternoon. The UK Government is planning to announce a 1 billion
:48:25. > :48:29.pound contract with Rolls-Royce for it nuclear submarines. It is the
:48:29. > :48:34.strongest signal yet that there will be a replacement for Trident
:48:34. > :48:40.despite the objections from the Liberal Democrats and the Scottish
:48:40. > :48:45.Government. The fleet which carries the nuclear deterrent is based at
:48:45. > :48:52.Faslane on the Clyde. Today the UK Defence Secretary gave the clearest
:48:52. > :48:57.sign yet that Trident will be replaced. We will be announcing a
:48:57. > :49:02.commitment to the major refurbishment of the Rolls-Royce
:49:02. > :49:10.plant at Derby which builds these reactors. Not just for the nuclear
:49:10. > :49:14.deterrent submarines but also for an hour attack class. If Scotland
:49:14. > :49:19.becomes independent the SNP would want a nuclear free Scotland with
:49:19. > :49:24.Trident out. The party also believes spending billions
:49:24. > :49:29.replacing trident is wrong. This is not about jobs but about the
:49:29. > :49:34.obscenity of spending �100 billion on a weapons system that is no
:49:34. > :49:41.longer required and is morally unjustified. The final decision
:49:41. > :49:46.will not come until 2016 after the next UK General Election and after
:49:46. > :49:49.the UK independence referendum. number of people convicted of
:49:49. > :49:54.drink-driving in Scotland has fallen by one-third over the past
:49:54. > :50:03.five years. The number of people convicted of being over the limit
:50:03. > :50:09.has dropped to just 5348 last year. Now the weather forecast. Good
:50:09. > :50:13.afternoon. It is a big improvement as far as the weather is concerned
:50:13. > :50:18.for this afternoon. A lot of dry weather across the country. There
:50:18. > :50:22.will be some showers in the north- east but it should brighten up here
:50:22. > :50:27.during this evening. There will be some sunshine across western
:50:27. > :50:37.Scotland extending in the land during the afternoon. That is all
:50:37. > :50:38.
:50:38. > :50:45.for now. This week, official figures showed that marriages are
:50:45. > :50:52.on the rise but we are still awaiting the result of Holyrood's
:50:52. > :50:56.consultation on the same sex and marriage. Our reporter has been
:50:56. > :51:03.looking at why equal marriage proposals have become such a big
:51:03. > :51:08.issue in Scotland. Scotland's first civil partnership in 2005 attracted
:51:08. > :51:14.a crowd of press and television crews. The SNP Government is now
:51:14. > :51:24.considering a change to law to allow gay marriages in churches.
:51:24. > :51:30.Some oppose this. Some suspect that there was a loss in parliament
:51:30. > :51:37.recently because of this issue. The SNP are worried this might fracture
:51:37. > :51:44.their coalition for a yes. There has been pressure at Holyrood from
:51:44. > :51:49.religious organisations and equal rights campaigners. I think the
:51:49. > :51:55.majority of SNP's are in favour of equal marriage. That is what the
:51:55. > :52:00.opinion polls say and what I find when I am out and about. But there
:52:00. > :52:05.is still a strong voice in the parliament saying that no person or
:52:05. > :52:11.organisation should be forced to be involved or to approve of same-sex
:52:11. > :52:18.marriage. There must be protection for the churches and others who do
:52:18. > :52:22.not agree with this. They might believe that sex between two people
:52:22. > :52:29.of the same gender is wrong and that is a belief that must be
:52:29. > :52:34.protected. Legislation is now being considered by countries across
:52:34. > :52:41.Europe. In Westminster David Cameron has backed plans to allow
:52:41. > :52:48.same-sex couples in England and Wales to marry. If you want to look
:52:48. > :52:55.at human rights Paris in years, as Scotland may want to do as the move
:52:55. > :53:04.towards a referendum. Of those asked in a poll were their same-sex
:53:04. > :53:08.couples should have a right to get married 64 % agree. 26 % disagree.
:53:08. > :53:17.On whether religious organisations should have the right to decide
:53:17. > :53:26.whether or not to conduct same-sex marriages 68 % agree and 61 -- 21 %
:53:26. > :53:36.disagree. The results of a same-sex marriage consultation will be
:53:36. > :53:41.
:53:41. > :53:49.published later this month. But now I am joined in the studio by two
:53:49. > :53:56.men. You're poll said that people agree with same-sex marriage, but
:53:56. > :54:03.it would, wouldn't it? Increasing majorities around the world say
:54:03. > :54:07.they support same-sex marriages. A majority of MSPs signed our equal
:54:07. > :54:10.marriage pledge. What we are seeing to the Scottish Government is
:54:10. > :54:16.listen to the public can be parliament, you have got the green
:54:16. > :54:20.light now to go ahead with legislation. Does this show that
:54:20. > :54:27.the churches are out of touch with what the public are thinking?
:54:27. > :54:32.think what the poll tells us very much is that it would show that. It
:54:32. > :54:36.started with a very leading question and when you start with a
:54:36. > :54:41.leading question you get a misleading answer. It is always a
:54:41. > :54:46.good idea to avoid asking a direct question seeing should someone had
:54:46. > :54:51.the right to something? The public in general are very weary to
:54:51. > :54:58.suggest that someone should not have a right. You have
:54:58. > :55:02.automatically distorted this result. The poll that matters is the three-
:55:02. > :55:07.month long consultation which took place at the end of last year in
:55:07. > :55:12.which the vast majority said marriage should not be redefined.
:55:12. > :55:16.We are hearing there is a lot in favour of keeping marriage as it is.
:55:16. > :55:22.What are you ready lines in this? We know what you're ideal would be
:55:22. > :55:27.but looking at the David Cameron option of same-sex marriage but not
:55:27. > :55:32.in church, we do agree with that? do not think so. We agree with
:55:32. > :55:37.religious freedom. Those bodies which do not want to conduct same-
:55:37. > :55:43.sex marriage should not have to but those bodies that do want to should
:55:43. > :55:48.be allowed to and I think most people would agree with that.
:55:48. > :55:55.about diesel option as we almost have in Europe and on the Continent,
:55:55. > :56:01.would you agree with that? current legislative framework,
:56:01. > :56:07.whether in Scotland, Britain, or Europe, it does not allow us to do
:56:07. > :56:13.that. Could certain religions the observe one speed on the motorway
:56:13. > :56:20.while other religions have to observe a different speed? That
:56:20. > :56:25.cannot happen. We are being offered a blank cheque that cannot be
:56:25. > :56:31.cashed and it is back to the issue of equality legislation. It has to
:56:31. > :56:36.have a blanket impact. This is a key point. We had a UK ministers
:56:36. > :56:40.seeing in England that perhaps the churches cannot be protected. You
:56:40. > :56:44.might make promises about this but they could be hollow promises
:56:44. > :56:49.because human rights legislation will not allow judges to be forced
:56:49. > :56:55.to carry out same-sex marriages. Europe we have had same-sex
:56:55. > :56:58.marriage for over a decade now. In that entire time there has never
:56:58. > :57:05.been one judgment by the European Court of human rights or any
:57:05. > :57:08.domestic court that has encouraged let alone required that theme --
:57:08. > :57:12.the groups conduct same-sex marriages. Unfortunately that is
:57:12. > :57:18.not true. Churches in Denmark have been open to challenge and been
:57:18. > :57:23.compelled to go ahead with same-sex marriages when they wanted not to.
:57:23. > :57:31.Been matter is what happens in Scotland. It has been made
:57:31. > :57:36.abundantly clear that these protections and exclusions cannot
:57:36. > :57:41.be delivered. We will be in the same position as we were when we
:57:41. > :57:43.were told that Catholic Church is adoption agencies would be
:57:43. > :57:49.protected and the Scottish Government could not follow through
:57:49. > :57:55.on that. Without any compromise from either side you cannot meet
:57:55. > :58:01.have we? It is not for you just about protecting traditional
:58:02. > :58:06.marriage. If I am right in seeing you actually opposed all same-sex
:58:06. > :58:12.relationships and you do not want to see any legislation that
:58:12. > :58:17.facilitates same-sex relationships which the Church thinks our protest.
:58:17. > :58:22.The law does not allow for the new legislation to apply to some and
:58:22. > :58:26.not to others. What you would prefer to see his compulsion and
:58:26. > :58:31.then the reality that is what would happen. You would want teachers to
:58:31. > :58:36.be compelled to teach children that same-sex relationships are valid
:58:36. > :58:42.and should be prized, whether or not they believe in it. You would
:58:42. > :58:52.criminalise people who did not agree with you. The reassurances
:58:52. > :58:59.are not holding much sway. European Convention on human rights
:58:59. > :59:06.protects your right not to conduct same-sex marriages. Of course there
:59:06. > :59:10.will always be a minority that a pause black civil rights movements,
:59:10. > :59:18.votes for women, in time people will look back on this and think it
:59:18. > :59:24.is wrong. Same-sex marriage is not a human right. To equate it with
:59:24. > :59:29.sexism or racism is completely wrong. It is not that. We have seen
:59:29. > :59:34.advances made on gender equality and racial equality, is it not be
:59:34. > :59:39.seen? It is not the same, it is not right, we have even seen a European
:59:40. > :59:43.Court decision that says it is not the same. They need to stop being