:00:44. > :00:49.It is supposed to be a government department getting Burton moving
:00:49. > :00:59.again. But its transport policy stuck in neutral? We will ask the
:00:59. > :01:00.
:01:00. > :01:10.The UK Independence Party are why - - riding a wave of Conservative
:01:10. > :01:14.
:01:14. > :01:24.And are you a shirker or race driver? We debate whether the --
:01:24. > :01:25.
:01:25. > :01:35.And we explore the psychology behind David Cameron and Ed
:01:35. > :01:35.
:01:35. > :34:02.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1947 seconds
:34:02. > :34:10.In Scotland, we review all the At Turtle all day, tackle the
:34:11. > :34:20.minimum wage. S Waugh or less in the real terms than it was in 2004.
:34:21. > :34:22.
:34:22. > :34:28.That is shocking. That deficit reduction means that we have to
:34:28. > :34:38.deal with our debt. Labour let us at a deficit, the largest in
:34:38. > :34:40.
:34:40. > :34:50.Bet would be useful to get back to the subject of welfare reform. You
:34:50. > :34:51.
:34:52. > :34:57.want more means testing. Why? universal system is unsustainable.
:34:57. > :35:04.With the ageing population it is no longer sustainable. We cannot have
:35:04. > :35:11.universal benefits. I remember, the interview by Frances Maude talking
:35:11. > :35:18.about on sustainability. But Hutton report showed that public sector
:35:18. > :35:24.pension costs will go down as a proportion of GDP. Let get real.
:35:24. > :35:28.There is a demographic problem through the Western world. Can we
:35:28. > :35:32.still fought, throughout the Western world, to support that the
:35:32. > :35:42.ageing population with universal benefits? What do we need means-
:35:42. > :35:46.
:35:46. > :35:53.testing? Means testing it increases the costs. It lower the rate of
:35:53. > :36:03.uptake. It costs more to administer more. And it leads to higher rates
:36:03. > :36:04.
:36:04. > :36:09.of benefit fraud. In the long term it will not cost more. It is not
:36:09. > :36:16.feel that an MP on a salary of �60,000 per year is claiming the
:36:16. > :36:26.winter fuel allowance. On that basis you should not get free
:36:26. > :36:27.
:36:27. > :36:34.health care. You want an American- style safety net just for the poor?
:36:34. > :36:41.Some of us want a universal welfare state. How are you going to pay for
:36:41. > :36:45.it? More tax? How do we pay for corporate welfare? We spend
:36:45. > :36:50.hundreds of billions of pounds and try and, Afghanistan, but there is
:36:50. > :37:00.no money for the poor, disabled, elderly? For them, we must squeeze
:37:00. > :37:03.
:37:03. > :37:13.down? It is unsustainable? Gentleman, time up. Thank you very
:37:13. > :37:23.
:37:23. > :37:27.Good morning. Coming up: the economy, the recession, the
:37:27. > :37:36.recovery. Why does it feel justly be here before, and the year before
:37:36. > :37:43.that? We have to do something. We have to introduce the game changed
:37:43. > :37:53.a. If we don't we will be flatlining. There is our last
:37:53. > :37:55.
:37:55. > :37:58.programme before Christmas. Time This week saw what the Scottish
:37:58. > :38:05.Government said was the largest fall in unemployment for years. A
:38:05. > :38:12.glimmer of good news. We're trying to assess where we are now run what
:38:12. > :38:18.will come away next year. There are just nine shopping days until
:38:18. > :38:26.Christmas. The buying frenzy masks of a harsh economic realities many
:38:26. > :38:35.people faced this year. Single mother Jackie has been saving hard
:38:35. > :38:45.to pay for the pestered season. -- festive. Rising costs, including
:38:45. > :38:48.
:38:48. > :38:56.child care, means that money does not go far enough. If they do not
:38:56. > :39:04.match the cost of living in I don't see the point of tax credits. They
:39:04. > :39:09.are not helping us. The plans that we have at the moment are changing
:39:09. > :39:13.all the time. It is difficult to predict how things will materialise.
:39:13. > :39:17.There are so many changes, so many cuts, it is difficult to tell
:39:17. > :39:25.anybody exactly how it will affect them personally, which is often
:39:25. > :39:32.what people want to know. Market lives just outside Dumfries. She
:39:32. > :39:41.says she feels like a prisoner in her own home. -- market. She's
:39:41. > :39:45.frustrated by a limited transport services and her area. Taiwan to be
:39:45. > :39:55.dead. Unless something will let me get out and do the things I want to
:39:55. > :40:04.
:40:04. > :40:08.do. Who will help me on and off my scooter? What has happened in this
:40:08. > :40:16.year is that councils have tightened up the criteria for three
:40:16. > :40:20.services. They have increased their charges for a variety of services.
:40:20. > :40:29.Given the settlement they have going into next year - a reduced
:40:30. > :40:36.overall settlement - they have been given �70 million and by anarchic
:40:36. > :40:43.relation match BT million pounds. - - by my calculation that should be
:40:43. > :40:48.�80 million. Unemployment figures may be down but that is cold
:40:48. > :40:55.comfort for this man with a call- centre job having come out of
:40:55. > :41:00.university. Debt is fine for a short time but I would like to go
:41:00. > :41:08.into a graduate profession ultimately. But it is very
:41:08. > :41:12.difficult to find him get on to something. Despite a fall in
:41:12. > :41:22.unemployment the underlying picture in Scotland is weak. Jobs are
:41:22. > :41:22.
:41:22. > :41:31.falling. An activity is rising. -- inactivity. Growth will be weak
:41:31. > :41:40.next year, we forecast just over 1%. Against that background there will
:41:41. > :41:49.not be much job-creation next here. With those week forecast how can we
:41:49. > :41:59.get growth back? A radical programme of housebuilding. Rather
:41:59. > :42:08.late 1960s. -- rather like the. The economy has undergone a structural
:42:08. > :42:16.shift. We must do something. We must introduce a game changer. If
:42:16. > :42:23.we do not we will be flatlining. There is some good news for the
:42:23. > :42:32.oil-rich economy of the north-east. The North Sea is going very
:42:32. > :42:40.strongly. It is in a mature phase. There is more investment as you can
:42:40. > :42:48.recover more typical sources. We are into that phase now. Overall
:42:48. > :42:55.the picture for next year looks I am joined by the youth employment
:42:55. > :43:02.minister. Do you accept that governments cannot make much
:43:02. > :43:09.difference to the labour market? certainly accept that it is
:43:09. > :43:13.difficult for a devolved government. But we do have some good news this
:43:13. > :43:18.week as your piece rightly articulated. The fall in
:43:18. > :43:24.unemployment, the largest in four years. The youth employment
:43:24. > :43:28.statistics are certainly a welcome step in the right direction. 25,000
:43:28. > :43:36.less young people are seeking work at this time of the Year than this
:43:36. > :43:40.time last year. What about the overall economic predictions? Where
:43:40. > :43:49.is the evidence that a full range of powers would make a difference
:43:49. > :43:54.given the unemployment rate in Ireland? I visited Europe and the
:43:54. > :44:02.last four May and spoke to representatives -- in the last
:44:02. > :44:09.fortnight. There unemployment levels are something we should be
:44:09. > :44:13.striving for. We certainly do need a team changes and I would argue
:44:13. > :44:21.that the game changes the independence referendum. -- a game
:44:21. > :44:26.changer. In the draft budget we have announced that a large-scale
:44:26. > :44:32.employment recruitment incentive, in effect a wage subsidy, could
:44:32. > :44:35.provide up to 10,000 jobs for young people. So there is much more to be
:44:35. > :44:45.done and more that we could do it in a parliament with job-creating
:44:45. > :44:47.
:44:47. > :44:50.Paras. Job-creating powers? What does that mean in practice?
:44:50. > :44:57.Department that has full control of taxation, welfare, National
:44:57. > :45:07.Insurance, and an ability to invest in large-scale capital investment
:45:07. > :45:12.projects. -- a Parliament. things like unemployment loss --
:45:12. > :45:19.laws, whatever Parliament has control that has to control
:45:19. > :45:24.important levers? Yes, I would argue that. There are European
:45:24. > :45:28.countries do much better than the United Kingdom. I would argue that
:45:28. > :45:33.in Scotland we're punching above await. If there has been a
:45:33. > :45:39.significant fall in youth unemployment. Do you expected to
:45:39. > :45:44.continue? I would never one to predict labour market statistics
:45:44. > :45:53.but we are very focused on the need to get more young people into work.
:45:53. > :45:59.But we also need to be in this for the long haul. I would argue that
:45:59. > :46:09.the pre-recession figures were too high. That is why I are believer in
:46:09. > :46:16.independence. Do you see how people get frustrated? When the totals are
:46:16. > :46:21.bad you blame Westminster, when there could you say it is the SNP.
:46:21. > :46:25.John Swinney has welcomed the fall in unemployment in Scotland, the
:46:25. > :46:34.lowest of all the UK country's. But he also said that we need to do
:46:34. > :46:38.much more given the fall in employment rates. We need to
:46:38. > :46:45.understand labour market statistics in the round. Behind the numbers
:46:45. > :46:52.are real people struggling to find work. Let's look at the effect on
:46:52. > :46:57.real people of the cutbacks in local services. The council tax
:46:57. > :47:07.freeze has worked out at just under 100 per ounce the year saved per
:47:07. > :47:07.
:47:07. > :47:15.household. -- �100. When does the balance that where it would be
:47:15. > :47:19.money well spent for people to have paid that extra? It is important
:47:19. > :47:25.that those who are struggling the most right now are not asked to pay
:47:25. > :47:29.more. You will have heard the SNP government talking about the
:47:29. > :47:39.importance of the social wage. We asked arriving as hard as we can to
:47:39. > :47:41.
:47:41. > :47:51.keep money in the pockets of hard- pressed people. These measures are
:47:51. > :47:53.
:47:53. > :47:59.part of and imperative move. But as a result of your council tax these
:47:59. > :48:05.people are paying more on alternative services. Council tax
:48:05. > :48:12.is a comparatively small part of local-government income. We have
:48:12. > :48:14.protected local government's Shea. Not by enough, according to the
:48:14. > :48:22.professor, who said you are seriously adrift that you are
:48:22. > :48:25.serious about shoring up services. We have to live within our means.
:48:26. > :48:29.Oh we want to change those means but until the people of Scotland
:48:29. > :48:37.vote yes in a referendum we're at the mercy of the UK Government to
:48:37. > :48:47.in effect give us our budget, out of pocket money. We'll come back to
:48:47. > :48:49.
:48:49. > :48:56.the economy just a moment but first Spreading Christmas Shia with a
:48:56. > :49:01.fall on a number of people out of work. But staff here warned that it
:49:01. > :49:11.is still tough to get work. It is difficult to get a job with so many
:49:11. > :49:21.people competing for the same job as you. By we have got to continue
:49:21. > :49:28.our efforts to boost employment base within Scotland. There is an
:49:28. > :49:32.extra �300 million for the Scottish Government to spend. There where
:49:32. > :49:40.tidings of discomfort and war four shots when the Scottish Retail
:49:40. > :49:50.Consortium said that sales were down 1.2 % leading up his Christmas.
:49:50. > :49:52.
:49:53. > :50:02.Can the UK credit rating came under With me now is an MP and MEP and an
:50:03. > :50:06.
:50:06. > :50:13.MSP. Thank you all very much indeed for coming in. Margaret Curran,
:50:13. > :50:16.which we are you voting in the welfare bill? Labour has said
:50:16. > :50:22.though we will wait to see the details. We are not comfortable
:50:22. > :50:30.with a government that gives us �3 billion to well-off people. -- its
:50:30. > :50:34.�3 billion. Whilst attacking people on maternity allowance and tax
:50:34. > :50:37.credits. That will not help the economy. We're certainly not
:50:37. > :50:47.comfortable with that as things stand but we must wait to see the
:50:47. > :50:51.
:50:51. > :50:58.Quite unique in a more detail? it stands, I am certain we will be
:50:58. > :51:03.voting against it. They might be persuaded that what they are doing
:51:03. > :51:10.is wrong and affecting the quality of the lives of people on their
:51:10. > :51:15.benefits. They are presenting a false argument and saying it is
:51:15. > :51:21.about taking people who are scrounging and not paying their way,
:51:21. > :51:24.but these benefits will affect the working people. Tax credits have
:51:24. > :51:30.been successful and material lot to people and attacking those people
:51:31. > :51:35.does not help anyone. The people worst affected by those are people
:51:35. > :51:44.who are in work and are struggling to get by another on the moors then
:51:44. > :51:49.comes. -- the list in comes. believe that all sectors have to
:51:49. > :51:56.share the burden of trying to reduce the debt. Do you think that
:51:56. > :52:01.is what is happening now in? want to make sure there is a fair
:52:01. > :52:10.share of taking the road of this and already this week, we have seen
:52:10. > :52:16.worries about the triple A credit rating. Labour say we should have a
:52:16. > :52:20.Plan B and it all seems to be about borrowing more work. I do not think
:52:20. > :52:25.that is a credible choice to make at all. You can see across Europe
:52:25. > :52:30.that more borrowing has meant you are unable to borrow a tall and
:52:30. > :52:40.inflation goes up. That would hit many householders across our
:52:40. > :52:40.
:52:40. > :52:45.society. We have made the right choices and have tackled the rich
:52:45. > :52:53.and they are paying more or under the plans. Be enough? They could
:52:54. > :52:57.always pay more. We will be cracking down on tax evasion. Right
:52:57. > :53:04.across the board, we have to ensure that everybody carries their fair
:53:04. > :53:08.share. The number one problem we have is the huge debt that Labour
:53:08. > :53:17.left the Hind. Even the credit agencies are saying that the
:53:17. > :53:25.economy is stagnating. If you lose the credit rating, at the borrowing
:53:25. > :53:31.costs will go up anyway. We have to tackle the huge deficit we are
:53:31. > :53:38.currently running. The big challenge for Labour is that they
:53:38. > :53:43.cannot demonstrate how they would balance the books. When you look at
:53:43. > :53:46.the imperative for economic growth, do you not think now there has to
:53:46. > :53:54.be a radical rethink of what the strategy is coming out of
:53:55. > :54:02.Westminster? It is not all bad news and unemployment is falling and is
:54:02. > :54:06.much lower than many people predicted that this stage. There
:54:06. > :54:14.have been 1 million private sector jobs created since 2010. There is
:54:14. > :54:19.good news in some areas. It is absolutely right that the
:54:19. > :54:24.imperative as for the government to tackle debt levels. The UK has the
:54:25. > :54:34.highest debt level of any major Western economy. Labour says, let's
:54:34. > :54:38.spend more money and accelerate the rate of increase of any debt. There
:54:39. > :54:44.is no silver dot here. There are a number of reforms that the
:54:44. > :54:48.government is pressing ahead with and there are supply-side reforms,
:54:48. > :54:55.but it will take a long time to work out the economic mess of the
:54:55. > :55:00.last Labour government. The current government is doing a good job
:55:00. > :55:07.itself of threatening the triple A credit rating itself. Borrowing is
:55:07. > :55:13.going up as a result of these policies... Hang on, George! We do
:55:13. > :55:21.not need more right wing supply- side economics. What this economy
:55:21. > :55:27.crucially needs is a demand let recovery. We are above our heads in
:55:27. > :55:30.debt as opposed to just our next? We have had this government for two
:55:30. > :55:39.years and all that has happened is that they have reduced their
:55:39. > :55:45.forecasts every single time and the economy is shrinking. Scotland is
:55:45. > :55:48.the ad up in which employment fell the most in the UK last year.
:55:48. > :55:56.Borrowing is going up because we have so many people claiming
:55:56. > :55:59.benefits. Supply-side economics is the problem. Do you think Scotland
:55:59. > :56:07.has not done as well in job- creation as in other parts of the
:56:07. > :56:13.UK? It is a mixed picture and looking back over the last year, in
:56:13. > :56:20.some months, Scotland has performed better than the UK. We have some
:56:21. > :56:29.strengths in the Scottish economy such as All Ireland gas. -- Oil and
:56:29. > :56:32.Gas. There are still a lot of problems in parts of Scotland and
:56:32. > :56:41.there is no sign of the Scottish government using the powers they
:56:41. > :56:45.have to help business. They are imposing more taxes on business.
:56:45. > :56:50.All that is going to do is make it more difficult for the private
:56:50. > :56:53.sector to grow our way out of recession. What do you what to do
:56:53. > :57:01.in government to relieve unemployment that you're not being
:57:01. > :57:08.allowed to divide the Tories? would like to invest more, if we
:57:08. > :57:15.could, in trying to advance growth. We still have to make sure that we
:57:15. > :57:20.balance the books and show a credible plan that we can reduce...
:57:20. > :57:26.Invest more in what, capital projects? We have announced plans
:57:26. > :57:29.for capital investment at a youth employment programme. We have the
:57:29. > :57:33.state funded bank lending scheme which the Liberal Democrats have
:57:33. > :57:38.announced as well. These are all measures to create and stimulate
:57:38. > :57:45.growth because one of the fundamental challenges that new
:57:45. > :57:49.businesses face at the moment is a lack of credit. State backing for
:57:50. > :57:57.lending and the State Bank we're trying to create should help. These
:57:57. > :58:02.are the right measures to try to stimulate the economy. We have put
:58:02. > :58:06.in place the facilities for banks to try to make that happen and we
:58:06. > :58:10.are working with the private sector to see if they can take on and
:58:10. > :58:18.invest in these infrastructure projects. That is different from
:58:18. > :58:21.the state doing it itself. The it businesses are sitting on vast
:58:21. > :58:26.amounts of money but they do not want to spend it because they seem
:58:26. > :58:32.to have no confidence. How do you turn that around? There is no
:58:32. > :58:42.silver bullet. It is the government at a UK level and the Scottish
:58:42. > :58:43.
:58:43. > :58:48.level up using the powers they have. Setting back the rates are
:58:48. > :58:52.valuation until 2017 is sending the wrong message. Up with capital
:58:52. > :59:01.spending, we need to sort out the procurement rules because spending
:59:01. > :59:06.a lot of money on capital does not inflict domestic spending - it at
:59:06. > :59:11.nearly helps overseas companies. You have international obligations
:59:11. > :59:15.which require you to go to the cheapest tender or you are at fault
:59:15. > :59:20.yourself as the purchaser. You cannot ring-fence where the
:59:20. > :59:30.contracts ago. You cannot but you can look at things like social
:59:30. > :59:30.
:59:30. > :59:35.obligations which are permitted under EU rules. If it happens in
:59:35. > :59:40.other countries, it can have him here. Business a business
:59:40. > :59:47.confidence issue? It is crucial and that is why a lot of measures of
:59:47. > :59:52.this government have not worked. On the issue of the shovel already
:59:52. > :59:59.projects, it seems as if George Osborne has given them what they
:59:59. > :00:03.want. We need to start working on the ground. The track record of the
:00:03. > :00:06.SNP Government has not been particularly strong on this and the
:00:06. > :00:15.one thing you do not do in the middle of the recession is cut the
:00:15. > :00:19.housing budget by 40%. People have a terrible choice between these two
:00:19. > :00:29.governments and the need eight different course. Thank you all for
:00:29. > :00:39.
:00:39. > :00:49.that. Stay tuned for our 2012 President Obama will meet the
:00:49. > :00:57.
:00:57. > :01:02.families of the genetic it school The body of the nurse who was found
:01:02. > :01:09.hanged after taking a hoax call up from the -- about the Duchess of
:01:09. > :01:13.Cambridge. She will be buried in her home village tomorrow.
:01:13. > :01:16.But have been counted in Egypt following the first round of voting
:01:16. > :01:22.in the referendum on the constitution which has divided the
:01:22. > :01:27.country. Supporters of President Mohamed Morsi say that early
:01:27. > :01:32.indications say the vote will go their way.
:01:32. > :01:35.It has been an unforgettable 12 months for British sport and
:01:35. > :01:40.tonight the winner of the BBC Sports personality of the year will
:01:40. > :01:50.be announced. With so many achievements to choose from, the
:01:50. > :01:51.
:01:51. > :02:01.short list had to be increased. That is all the news for nowt.
:02:01. > :02:04.
:02:04. > :02:09.Good afternoon. Up rescuers will bring aboard a damaged bought in
:02:09. > :02:14.which a man died during storms. It is still adrift off the North Sea
:02:14. > :02:21.coast. What has been described as a very
:02:21. > :02:28.complex salvage operation is under way. The ship is drifting without
:02:28. > :02:33.power about 120 miles from Aberdeen. It was 4:30am on Saturday when a
:02:33. > :02:36.Mayday call was picked up from the vessel. The rescue operation was
:02:36. > :02:42.launched including three helicopters been very difficult
:02:42. > :02:48.weather conditions. One crewman has died and his body is still thought
:02:48. > :02:53.to be on board the vessel which has been significantly damaged. Because
:02:53. > :03:00.of the nature of the salvage, the operators are unable to say it when
:03:00. > :03:04.they will get the ship back into port.
:03:04. > :03:08.There is a warning Scotland's new police force of will have debts
:03:08. > :03:13.totalling �100 million. The Scottish Conservatives have raised
:03:13. > :03:19.concerns about the scale of bedecked. The Scottish government
:03:20. > :03:23.have said they will be given funds to service the debt.
:03:23. > :03:28.Three Scots are in contention for the BBC Sports personality of the
:03:28. > :03:38.Year award tonight. Catherine Grainger, Sir Chris Hoy and Andy
:03:38. > :03:39.
:03:40. > :03:45.Murray and the running. Now it's a A much quieter day of weather
:03:45. > :03:52.coming up. Some brightness with the best of the sunshine in it eastern
:03:52. > :03:58.areas towards the Lothians and the Borders. A few showers in western
:03:58. > :04:08.areas. Temperatures are on the mild side compared with what we have
:04:08. > :04:13.
:04:13. > :04:23.been used to. Predominantly light It is that time of year again, Iowa
:04:23. > :04:23.
:04:23. > :06:07.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1947 seconds
:06:07. > :06:15.and you look back at the big I don't know why race around me. I
:06:15. > :06:22.am not that special. -- why race around me. -- why are they surround
:06:22. > :06:27.me. The Scottish Government has taken opinion from eminent legal
:06:27. > :06:31.authorities in support of its view that an independent Scotland would
:06:31. > :06:37.continue in membership of the European Union. But we have not
:06:37. > :06:42.sought specific legal advice. But as the Edinburgh agreement provides
:06:42. > :06:52.the exact context we now have the basis from which specific legal
:06:52. > :06:52.
:06:52. > :11:36.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1947 seconds
:11:36. > :11:38.This sum I was called a rebel force I think the �545 million resource
:11:39. > :11:48.budget to �546 million is by definition an increase in funding.
:11:49. > :11:51.
:11:51. > :11:56.I apologise to the chamber for this I am an expert in tourism. I am the
:11:56. > :12:06.evidence. I am more and expel than the people you would like me to
:12:06. > :12:20.
:12:20. > :12:24.It is ridiculous! Do not scratch The idea that Scotland is a land
:12:24. > :12:34.where that the thing is if the is alive. Someone always pays for it
:12:34. > :13:02.
:13:02. > :13:09.In the west wing will be later than patchier. -- rain. There will be
:13:09. > :13:19.snow on a high arc around. There are the potential for a few
:13:19. > :13:19.
:13:19. > :14:20.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1947 seconds
:14:20. > :14:26.flurries or are more will. Who the The picture it but there was Norman
:14:26. > :14:35.Robinson. Joining me right now are Detective Chief the incident ended
:14:35. > :14:43.John Carlin in and professor of economics at Caledonian University.
:14:43. > :14:45.And Professor Tom divine. Welcome to you all. When you look back
:14:45. > :14:54.where we have reached, how significant is the Edinburgh
:14:54. > :15:03.agreement? It has practical implications. More important is the
:15:03. > :15:09.symbolism. The race is on now. But is in no sense in my view a perfect
:15:09. > :15:13.solution to the great national decision. It demonstrates a great
:15:13. > :15:18.democratic deficit. The majority of Scottish people as we speak would
:15:18. > :15:23.favour a for auction. That has not been offered to them. -- a third
:15:23. > :15:27.auction. It is not good enough for politicians to say it would be too
:15:27. > :15:33.difficult to frame that question. They are supposed to be servants of
:15:33. > :15:39.the people. The people are being denied the possibility of that
:15:39. > :15:44.three part of vote. My sense is that, particularly the Labour Party,
:15:44. > :15:50.because the Lib Dems are annihilated in the next election,
:15:50. > :15:57.my belief is that there will be, either in the last year before the
:15:57. > :16:01.decision, say, 2013 of 2014, the Labour Party will begin to shape
:16:01. > :16:06.something like evolution maximum. They will make a solemn contract
:16:06. > :16:11.with the Scottish people that if the UK Government is elected and
:16:11. > :16:14.the Labour tradition then they will deliver in the same way that they
:16:14. > :16:20.will have up evolution. That is the speculation that I shouldn't really
:16:20. > :16:25.make because the future is not my period as everybody knows. But I
:16:25. > :16:29.sense they will have to be something like that. A young person
:16:29. > :16:34.at a debate I wasn't bought and recently asked the basic question,
:16:34. > :16:40.what is going to happen if there is a no vote. I look back to the
:16:40. > :16:44.collective depression that the country had in 1979, there has to
:16:44. > :16:50.be some alternative, especially if the opinion polls keep showing that
:16:50. > :16:53.it has come to be no vote. Within the agreement says that countries
:16:54. > :17:03.will work together constructively in the best interests of the people
:17:03. > :17:08.of Scotland. What is that actually worth when we come into it? Where I
:17:08. > :17:13.work I engage with young people all the time. There heavily politicised
:17:13. > :17:17.at the moment. There are engaged in the debate. But you earlier piece
:17:17. > :17:20.indicates their economic would disenfranchised. They cannot get
:17:20. > :17:25.jobs. The situation with youth unemployment is desperate and will
:17:25. > :17:29.get worse so I think if we are looking at giving youngsters the
:17:29. > :17:39.vote and engaging in a debate we need to give them jobs and the
:17:39. > :17:49.opportunities. That is not happening. Which policies are
:17:49. > :17:50.
:17:50. > :18:00.making the most impact for you but in alcohol centre stage? Minimum
:18:00. > :18:01.
:18:01. > :18:09.pricing as a whole population thing. We say, that is not a layer of
:18:09. > :18:14.problem. Without all I think there is an opportunity to do something
:18:14. > :18:19.different around that. But I also think that we're at the stage where
:18:19. > :18:24.there are lots of good things happening. Every time something
:18:24. > :18:27.feels we think it is the strategy that has failed. That need a new
:18:27. > :18:35.plan, a new leader. The truth is that most of the failures up
:18:35. > :18:42.delivery. It needs to be far more about listen to people and
:18:42. > :18:52.communities. And then listened to what they need in delivering
:18:52. > :18:53.
:18:53. > :19:00.services to suit. Absolutely right. There is too much short-termism.
:19:00. > :19:04.But the other thing, going back to the alcohol aspect, there was a
:19:04. > :19:11.terrible scourge, much greater than we had today, in 19th century
:19:11. > :19:16.cities. Even interventions by charities and the Church had
:19:16. > :19:23.minimal effect. What had the effect was a steep increase in the tax on
:19:23. > :19:30.alcohol. We saw considerable short- term dramatic fall in consumption.
:19:31. > :19:34.The government must press hard along these lines. Accepting what
:19:34. > :19:43.John says, and that the delivery does not need to change day today,
:19:43. > :19:47.if we look at their beck pictures, a fundamental shift, basically, and
:19:47. > :19:52.the whole economic structure, the prediction been that we will not go
:19:52. > :20:00.back to growth, what it needs is a big response, do you think that it
:20:00. > :20:09.response could or should be? That is a difficult question. It is not
:20:09. > :20:13.fair! A couple of the issues in New Brighton, perhaps I'm being a bit
:20:13. > :20:17.flippant at this time of the year, looking at the unemployment figures,
:20:17. > :20:21.things are changing in terms of structural change. If we look at
:20:21. > :20:25.part-time employment those jobs are predominantly going to men. That is
:20:25. > :20:29.very different from before. The piece that you had about Prince
:20:29. > :20:34.Charles to in the weather forecast, maybe that is his second job.
:20:34. > :20:38.Because we're finding that men are taking on second jobs. So the part-
:20:38. > :20:42.time jobs are not the only jobs, their second jobs. That is a
:20:42. > :20:47.fundamental shift in terms of what is happening in their households.
:20:47. > :20:52.Where a woman in that household economy? A further economic system
:20:52. > :20:55.does not recognise why and where men have been two jobs, and we have
:20:55. > :21:05.that leaves woman, we need a fundamental rethink about the best
:21:05. > :21:08.
:21:08. > :21:18.What is the effect of women becoming increasingly economic
:21:18. > :21:20.
:21:20. > :21:26.disenfranchised? We have just been speaking about gender equality. How
:21:26. > :21:30.do you define what the role of a man is? You're talking about the
:21:30. > :21:34.notion of equality but they are given it a notion of what is
:21:35. > :21:41.expected of them and that comes off of television and the Internet and
:21:41. > :21:46.pornography, what they think life is. They conform to that and may
:21:46. > :21:56.find life very different -- difficult. We can reduce gang
:21:56. > :21:56.
:21:56. > :22:02.violence but we cannot get these young people jobs. It has a serious
:22:02. > :22:07.impact an hour worked for next year is redemption. We had one young
:22:07. > :22:12.gang who work for six months and did a fantastic job and then at the
:22:12. > :22:17.end of it they were some pin a job and then found out he had four
:22:17. > :22:25.previous convictions and would not take him on. These were previous
:22:25. > :22:34.convictions for when he was 17 and 18. He is effectively sent down for
:22:34. > :22:40.the rest of his life of up -- his life. He or redemption has a nice
:22:40. > :22:47.ring to it? Especially at this time of year but I think the outlook is
:22:47. > :22:52.not good. The forecasters are telling us that this thing is
:22:52. > :22:57.virtually endless. John is at the sharp end and I am not but what I
:22:57. > :23:01.fear is that thinking back to the 1930s in particular, the emergence
:23:01. > :23:09.of young males who have difficulties with their identities
:23:09. > :23:19.for the reasons he has given. It is the structural under class. Be much
:23:19. > :23:19.
:23:19. > :23:26.bigger one and a generation will pull even without employment. There
:23:26. > :23:31.is a brighter side as well. If we have been through this in the 1970s,
:23:31. > :23:36.there were much bigger difficulties. The Scottish economy has
:23:36. > :23:42.revolutionised itself over the last 30 years and the employment rate is
:23:43. > :23:47.slightly higher here than it is in England. It is nothing to be proud
:23:47. > :23:51.of because there is a lot of under- employment but the situation would
:23:51. > :23:58.be much worse if the old dinosaurs of the economy were still in place.
:23:58. > :24:06.The economy is much more balanced now. The reason why this happened,
:24:06. > :24:15.and it is always blamed on Thatcher, is that it had been waiting to
:24:15. > :24:19.happen for 30 or 40 years before. The result is that there was horror
:24:19. > :24:26.in the 1980s and 1990s but the result of that is we now have a
:24:26. > :24:30.much more balanced economic system than we had before. It is important
:24:30. > :24:36.that we stuck to think outside of the box because this spring will be
:24:36. > :24:40.long term. We have 10 seconds, what is coming down the road? More