:00:34. > :00:37.Morning folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics.
:00:37. > :00:40.With just over a week to go until David Cameron's big speech on
:00:40. > :00:47.Europe, politicians and business leaders line up to warn him not to
:00:47. > :00:50.damage our relationship with the EU. Are they right? Should he listen?
:00:50. > :00:52.In a week when the government has been busily marking its own
:00:52. > :00:56.homework, we ask Communities Secretary Eric Pickles whether -
:00:56. > :01:01.when it comes to housing policy - it's a case of must try much harder.
:01:01. > :01:05.That's the Sunday Interview. And as violent protests continue in
:01:05. > :01:07.Belfast over the decision to cut the number of days the Union flag
:01:07. > :01:10.flies above the City Hall, we'll debate the decision and the
:01:10. > :01:18.significance of the riots, as two politicians at the heart of the
:01:18. > :01:20.controversy go head to head. And on Sunday Politics Scotland:
:01:21. > :01:24.We'll be speaking to the chairman of the Scottish Police Authority
:01:24. > :01:34.and getting his take on the tug of war over the finances of the new
:01:34. > :01:34.
:01:34. > :36:28.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2093 seconds
:36:28. > :36:35.It just doesn't add up. The Anglo Irish agreement illustrates the
:36:35. > :36:39.campaign, and now all the sudden it's all changed. But Belfast has
:36:39. > :36:44.changed. Once the, distance, the sectarian divide mystified. Now,
:36:44. > :36:49.the majority of the city feels the same. In the market, the trouble
:36:49. > :36:51.doesn't have the smell test. Conversation 10 minutes from where
:36:51. > :37:01.the protests are taking place are more likely to be about the price
:37:01. > :37:01.
:37:01. > :37:05.of Kirsch. The vast majority of people want peace. The court
:37:05. > :37:11.austerity and then this on top of that. It's definitely affecting
:37:11. > :37:16.shops and businesses. Show better respect the people! For many, what
:37:16. > :37:26.they want a black up is the big political and economic cost to
:37:26. > :37:37.
:37:37. > :37:40.squabbling. -- to flag up. Now, we go head to head.
:37:40. > :37:45.Now that you've seen the reaction to your decision, do you accept
:37:45. > :37:50.that by reducing the number of days that the flag flies has been deeply
:37:50. > :37:55.provocative and upsetting to half your city? No, I don't accept that
:37:55. > :38:00.the threat of violence, the force of violence and intimidation should
:38:00. > :38:05.in any way alter the democratic process. We're a very difficult and
:38:05. > :38:08.sensitive decision to take. My colleagues took legal and a quality
:38:08. > :38:12.advice that was given to them by the council. They looked very
:38:12. > :38:19.carefully at what it happened in other councils, including Lisbon
:38:19. > :38:23.City Council. Compromises like this had been proposed on designated
:38:23. > :38:28.days. Our councillors believed this was the right thing to do in what
:38:28. > :38:32.is a shed city with a very diverse view. It reflects that Belfast is
:38:32. > :38:35.within the United Kingdom, it respects the black in the way that
:38:35. > :38:39.we're encouraged to do by the College of Arms, and it also
:38:39. > :38:42.reflects the fact that there are many people who have a stake in
:38:42. > :38:52.this city who don't share that allegiance. What is your reaction
:38:52. > :38:53.
:38:53. > :39:00.to that? I did vote against the flat policy and Lisbon in 2002.
:39:00. > :39:04.Please don't interrupt me. You've got it wrong. Not just the few
:39:04. > :39:14.thousand people out protesting there are hundreds of 1,000 people
:39:14. > :39:14.
:39:14. > :39:17.across Northern Ireland are angry at this particular decision. The
:39:17. > :39:27.Alliance Party need to reflect on this and to realise that going back
:39:27. > :39:31.to majority rule doesn't work. Consensus politics is much better
:39:31. > :39:35.than anyone. They have broken consensus politics in Northern
:39:35. > :39:40.Ireland on this issue. Are want to show you a leaflet which is going
:39:40. > :39:47.to put up on the screen. It's in the colours of the Alliance Party.
:39:47. > :39:55.It shows this picture of the flag disappearing and it changes the
:39:55. > :39:58.slogan into a shared future for whom? On the back, they published
:39:58. > :40:05.Nia me's email and telephone numbers and encourage people to
:40:06. > :40:12.voice their opposition. You really played a part stir this up. Aydin
:40:12. > :40:19.and distribute any leaflets. Your party did. Certainly the leaflets
:40:19. > :40:25.were distributed in Belfast. I think the Alliance Party had
:40:25. > :40:29.stirred this up and whenever I travel over to England and other
:40:29. > :40:34.parts of the UK, I see the national flag with dignity. That was the
:40:34. > :40:40.case with Belfast City Hall. They decided to move against that and
:40:40. > :40:42.that was the wrong decision, a bad decision and it is detrimental to
:40:42. > :40:48.community relations. It is a setback to what we have been doing,
:40:48. > :40:51.along with people on the other side of the committee, for many years.
:40:51. > :40:56.Was there really that much pressure to get rid of the flag on most days
:40:56. > :41:00.of the year? Did you really have to change things? There a couple of
:41:00. > :41:04.things that need to be addressed. In Lisbon City Council, where he
:41:04. > :41:10.was a member, Unionist took the flag down, they then put it up
:41:10. > :41:13.under pressure and finally had to remit it again. He was present at a
:41:13. > :41:16.meeting in 2006 where the decision was taken to fly the flag on
:41:16. > :41:20.designated days in-line with the quality advice given to the council.
:41:20. > :41:25.That is the reality of the situation and I am happy to defend
:41:25. > :41:30.that. In terms of my colleagues, be clear - I am not a member of the
:41:30. > :41:33.City Council. I'm not sure where been targeted in this hate-filled
:41:33. > :41:41.campaign with his inflammatory leaflets which spoke of tearing
:41:41. > :41:45.down the black. Rather than addressing the issue of how we
:41:45. > :41:49.share our identity. With respect out of Blyth has flown in the rest
:41:49. > :41:55.of the UK, many district councils across the UK use the designated
:41:55. > :42:05.days policy. The idea that it is acting British is a nonsense. There
:42:05. > :42:06.
:42:06. > :42:10.is of course sensitivity around this issue. Why did you target her?
:42:10. > :42:16.She is an alliance member in Belfast. She is not a member of the
:42:16. > :42:26.City Council. Her office is the centre of activity for alliance in
:42:26. > :42:27.
:42:27. > :42:33.Belfast. The that is not true. was the offers that people could
:42:33. > :42:37.easily address when it came to making their protest. But let's get
:42:37. > :42:47.away from this is the cause of the issue. The cause was the removal of
:42:47. > :42:48.
:42:48. > :42:54.the flak. -- the flag. Stormont Parliament already has a similar
:42:54. > :42:58.arrangement. It brings it into line with London guidelines about the
:42:58. > :43:01.days you fly the flag. What is the problem? It doesn't bring it into
:43:01. > :43:07.line with the rest of Northern Ireland. There are many different
:43:07. > :43:11.cities across Northern Ireland. The status quo was working. It has been
:43:11. > :43:15.damaged and we can see the consequences of it. Leaving aside
:43:15. > :43:19.people who are engaging in violence, we need to reflect that there are
:43:19. > :43:26.hundreds of thousands of people across Northern Ireland who have
:43:26. > :43:31.been greatly offended by this particular decision. I'm afraid
:43:31. > :43:41.we're going to have to leave it there. Thank you very much for both
:43:41. > :43:41.
:43:41. > :43:44.to be joining us from Belfast. Now, you're watching the Sunday politics.
:43:44. > :43:45.Good morning and welcome to the first Sunday Politics Scotland of
:43:45. > :43:51.2013. Coming up: Two governments, two differing
:43:51. > :43:53.futures. Will nuclear weapons stay in Scotland or will they go? And
:43:53. > :43:58.could a decision on Trident in Scotland become a springboard for
:43:59. > :44:02.the wider nuclear disarmament debate in the rest of the UK? Sir
:44:02. > :44:05.Menzies Campbell and Angus Robertson join us to discuss.
:44:05. > :44:08.The new single police force starts in April, but for that to happen, a
:44:08. > :44:12.dispute between the Chief Constable and Police Authority Chairman needs
:44:13. > :44:15.to be resolved. What are the chances?
:44:15. > :44:21.And is Scotland's tourism industry missing a lucrative trick when it
:44:21. > :44:31.comes to promoting the whisky experience? What can we learn from
:44:31. > :44:31.
:44:31. > :44:40.international examples? There is only one place in the world that
:44:40. > :44:44.can call itself the malt whisky valid. -- valley.
:44:44. > :44:46.Billions of pounds and thousands of jobs. The cost of moving nuclear
:44:46. > :44:49.submarines from the Clyde if Scotland becomes independent,
:44:49. > :44:53.according to the UK government. The latest twist in the Trident tale
:44:53. > :44:56.led to fierce political fighting between unionists and nationalists.
:44:56. > :44:59.The SNP say parliament and people don't want the weapons on their
:44:59. > :45:09.doorstep - the UK government are adamant the independent deterrent
:45:09. > :45:09.
:45:09. > :45:11.must be maintained. The controversial Trident missile
:45:11. > :45:15.has found a hot spot in the constitutional debate. At
:45:15. > :45:20.Westminster this week, the government revealed their thinking
:45:20. > :45:23.on the impact of independence on Trident. Ministers say including
:45:23. > :45:29.its nuclear weapons after new -- after independence would cost
:45:29. > :45:34.billions of pounds and take many years. They also say it employs
:45:34. > :45:40.6,700 military and civilian workers, and that will rise. If those jobs
:45:40. > :45:43.went, Unionist say the impact on Scotland would be catastrophic.
:45:43. > :45:48.What would happen in the Clyde if the SNP got there way to get rid of
:45:48. > :45:52.the nuclear submarines and other submarines? What would happen to
:45:52. > :45:59.shipping in the Clyde if we walk away from the Royal Navy? Warble
:45:59. > :46:03.the SNP do if they win? They just can't keep avoiding the truth.
:46:03. > :46:10.These questions will stalk them right up until a referendum day.
:46:10. > :46:14.The SNP's say they are in step with Scotland as the weapons on wanted.
:46:14. > :46:17.I am on the same side as the unions, the voluntary sector and the
:46:17. > :46:23.majority of public opinion who voted against Trident, saying, we
:46:23. > :46:26.should do much better. We should have a job that working
:46:26. > :46:30.conventional defence, we should get rid of weapons of mass destruction
:46:30. > :46:35.and that will only happen with a yes vote in the referendum.
:46:35. > :46:40.decision to replace trident is not due until 2016 as the coalition
:46:40. > :46:43.partners are at loggerheads. The UK Government also claims they are not
:46:43. > :46:48.considering what could happen to Trident in the event of
:46:48. > :46:53.independence. No ministry worth its salt would refuse to have emergency
:46:53. > :46:57.procedures in place, and as Defence is central to the United Kingdom's
:46:57. > :47:05.policy-making, surely they will be looking at what happens on the
:47:05. > :47:11.Clyde after the referendum. When it comes to post-independence, there
:47:11. > :47:14.is criticism of the SNP. They're is inherent contradiction to their
:47:14. > :47:20.stance towards native. NATO in the last analysis will use a nuclear
:47:20. > :47:25.weapons, and as it isn't all for one, one for all alliance, it means
:47:25. > :47:30.that in theory a Scottish -- an independent Scotland would have to
:47:30. > :47:35.support the use of nuclear weapons. You Unionists also question the
:47:35. > :47:38.SNP's plans for conventional forces after independence. But nationalist
:47:38. > :47:43.taunt Labour and the Lib Dems for their commitment to multilateral
:47:43. > :47:47.disarmament. There is always something to fight to the when it
:47:47. > :47:49.comes to defence. In our Edinburgh studio is the
:47:49. > :47:58.former Liberal Democrat Leader and foreign policy grandee Sir Menzies
:47:58. > :48:02.Campbell. A good morning. Do you agree with the West must do
:48:02. > :48:06.government's response that it will cost billions of pounds and
:48:07. > :48:10.thousands of jobs in an independent Scotland to move away Trident from
:48:10. > :48:15.its current location? Well, there will be a cost. There is a dispute
:48:15. > :48:20.about the number of jobs and it all depends on how you define the job.
:48:20. > :48:24.Do you take account of the people who supply the base? Do you take
:48:24. > :48:28.account of the local businesses who depend on the base for their
:48:28. > :48:36.existence? The one thing one can agree on is that if you take away
:48:36. > :48:42.responsibility for the four Trident submarines and the seven submarines
:48:42. > :48:50.that are powered by nuclear energy, then inevitably there will be an
:48:50. > :48:53.economic impact. The SNP is saying they will use it for conventional
:48:53. > :48:58.reasons, conventional military arrangements. The point about that
:48:58. > :49:04.is, just exactly what would those conventional arrangements amount
:49:04. > :49:14.to? A patrol vessels? With that in any way compensate for the
:49:14. > :49:19.inevitable cost of the removal of Trident? What are the real benefits
:49:19. > :49:27.for Scotland for being part of the union when it comes to defence?
:49:27. > :49:31.Your constituency has been hard hit by the loss of RAF forces. In
:49:32. > :49:36.Scotland, there is an underspend by the MoD, so what is the benefit?
:49:36. > :49:41.The benefits is to have the protection of the United Kingdom
:49:41. > :49:44.defence forces. Of course, these forces have to be positioned in a
:49:44. > :49:50.place where they are most effective. My argument with the British
:49:50. > :49:54.government is that we have the best place to provide the air defence
:49:54. > :49:58.for the northern part of Britain, including Scotland and the northern
:49:58. > :50:04.part of England. But the overall benefit is reflected in the fact
:50:04. > :50:10.that we have a very coherent and cohesive defence which adds an
:50:10. > :50:15.secures our safety. Reading the UK Government's response to the
:50:15. > :50:18.Scottish report, perhaps it seems contradictory in some ways that UK
:50:18. > :50:22.government says it will cost billions of pounds and thousands of
:50:22. > :50:27.jobs, and they are also saying we went even countenance what will
:50:27. > :50:31.happen post independence. Your colleague wrote in a Scottish
:50:31. > :50:37.newspaper today that he would not negotiate and after a possible Yes
:50:37. > :50:41.vote. You agree with that, that it is fair to not negotiate until
:50:41. > :50:46.after the referendum? And well, just imagine if they started these
:50:46. > :50:50.negotiations now. There would be a running commentary, there would
:50:50. > :50:55.never be any question of these negotiations been kept secret. And
:50:55. > :50:58.the negotiations themselves are would form part of the argument
:50:58. > :51:03.about whether the question should be answered in the affirmative or
:51:03. > :51:10.the negative. I think it's very sensible indeed not to indulge in a
:51:10. > :51:14.kind of negotiation that has been suggestion. Pop -- that has been
:51:14. > :51:18.suggested. But I also think that somewhere there will be a group of
:51:18. > :51:22.people looking at the implications of independence. I would be very
:51:22. > :51:32.surprised if that was not the case. But it will be done in a private
:51:32. > :51:37.way and certainly not a way where It sounds like the UK government is
:51:37. > :51:40.lying to us. I am not saying that at all. If you want the
:51:40. > :51:47.negotiations I believe his embrace of the whole idea of negotiating
:51:47. > :51:51.what will happen after independence, the Scottish National Party would
:51:51. > :51:55.say they have conceded the argument. Otherwise they would not be
:51:55. > :51:59.discussing with this the consequences of independence. That
:51:59. > :52:03.information and the nature of the need associations would be bound to
:52:03. > :52:09.be part of the political discourse. The influence would be that the UK
:52:09. > :52:13.government had given up. I don't doubt for a moment that for example
:52:14. > :52:18.in the Royal Navy, maybe not in government, but in the Royal Navy,
:52:18. > :52:22.consideration is given to what they would do in the event there was
:52:22. > :52:28.independence and it was necessary to take out the Trident submarines
:52:28. > :52:33.and the astute class. We are going to be up to seven additional
:52:33. > :52:36.submarines on top of the Trident. Take these away and I don't think
:52:36. > :52:46.anyone can argue that the impact upon the local economy is going to
:52:46. > :52:53.be anything. Maybe your party wants them taken away. You're an advocate
:52:53. > :53:00.of nuclear disarmament. Perhaps that is a good starting-point for
:53:00. > :53:07.disarmament. That would be unilateral disarmament. It involves
:53:07. > :53:11.a disagreement, -- it involves an agreement. You're quite right to
:53:11. > :53:16.mention that because the American President gave its impetus in a
:53:16. > :53:23.speech he made in Prague about two years ago. I am a member of the
:53:23. > :53:33.group of people in the House of Commons seeking to argue that.
:53:33. > :53:34.
:53:34. > :53:38.People in the United States, people who might ordinary be seen as all
:53:38. > :53:42.the world watches. The fact Britain of Scotland would give up its
:53:42. > :53:50.nuclear weapons would not persuade India or Pakistan to do so. It
:53:50. > :53:55.would not persuade Israel to do so. If we're going to approach this on
:53:55. > :53:59.disarmament, we have to do on a multilateral basis. Find you very
:53:59. > :54:02.much for joining me live. -- many thanks.
:54:02. > :54:04.Listening to that in his Moray constituency, is the SNP Leader at
:54:04. > :54:11.Westminster and Defence and Foreign Affairs spokesman, Angus Robertson
:54:11. > :54:15.Good morning. Listening to Sir Menzies Campbell there, he pretty
:54:15. > :54:18.much sided with the UK government when the clear point of removing
:54:18. > :54:26.tridents from Scotland would cost billions of pounds and thousands of
:54:26. > :54:29.Scottish jobs. To be honest I am not surprised with that. We know
:54:29. > :54:34.all the parties in the anti- independence side of the argument
:54:34. > :54:38.are using any opportunity to scare the wits out of people and suggest
:54:38. > :54:43.independence is going to cast a whole lot of jobs and investment
:54:43. > :54:50.when that is not the case. It is the status quo that has been bad
:54:51. > :55:00.for Defence in Scotland. We have lost more than multi-million-pound
:55:00. > :55:04.defence contracts. I think what we need to embrace and understand is
:55:04. > :55:10.this debate is about a real profound advantage for Scotland. We
:55:10. > :55:14.could make better defence decisions in Scotland. On top of that list is
:55:14. > :55:20.we can choose for skull and not to be the home of weapons of mass
:55:20. > :55:25.destruction. -- for Scotland. We were able to stress the point and
:55:25. > :55:29.the majority of people don't want them here. The churches are against
:55:29. > :55:34.it, the voluntary organisations are against it. The majority of people
:55:34. > :55:42.would wish it to be different. A Yes vote in independence, we can do
:55:43. > :55:46.that. That is an opportunity that in the run-up to the referendum,
:55:46. > :55:53.people will come to understand there are real benefits from the
:55:53. > :55:56.historic and exciting vote. What are your plans? This is where your
:55:56. > :56:02.opponent's picture upon. What are your plans for conventional forces
:56:02. > :56:09.in Scotland. The UK government said it would take away all submarines.
:56:09. > :56:19.How would you setter defence in an independence Olwen? -- set up in an
:56:19. > :56:24.
:56:24. > :56:28.independence Scotland? We covered the whole range of issues last year.
:56:28. > :56:32.How does one organise that there? It is answerable to the Scottish
:56:33. > :56:38.Parliament. We made the decision on what we were prepared to spend on
:56:38. > :56:43.defence. �2.5 billion for the defence budget, you were talking
:56:43. > :56:48.about an uplifting spending than the UK government spends his talent.
:56:48. > :56:53.In terms of the disposition, what goes where, we need to first see
:56:53. > :56:58.the results of the UK Basing review. We were supposed to have that last
:56:58. > :57:01.year and we will have that within weeks. It will give us the starting
:57:01. > :57:08.point for the situation Scotland will inherit with independence.
:57:08. > :57:14.What exactly will be where? We have got out about what is happening. We
:57:14. > :57:21.have doubts about many things. There is something else here, I
:57:21. > :57:26.want to pick up on something else. Another post independence plan.
:57:26. > :57:35.Trevor Royle said it there was an inherent contradiction and your
:57:35. > :57:39.stance on NATO. Scotland would be in exactly the same position as
:57:39. > :57:45.countries like Norway and Denmark. The majority of countries within
:57:45. > :57:49.NATO do not post or possess nuclear weapons. There is no contradiction
:57:49. > :57:53.there whatsoever. What we decided was in a conference, rather than
:57:53. > :57:58.having a partnership with our allies and friends we would work as
:57:59. > :58:03.members within NATO, as a conventionally armed country. That
:58:03. > :58:08.is what the Norwegians, Danes, Icelanders do. We want to work with
:58:08. > :58:13.our neighbours and friends and want the defence in Scotland. We are
:58:13. > :58:18.being let down by Westminster in that regard. Only in independence
:58:18. > :58:23.can we make decisions on defence that secures jobs and communities
:58:23. > :58:29.like this one here. London has let them down. Let's make better
:58:29. > :58:34.decisions in Scotland. That is the sort of thing normal countries do.
:58:34. > :58:39.When it comes to your post- independence well, it seems like
:58:39. > :58:45.more has shot a warning shot. He said they will be no negotiations
:58:45. > :58:49.until after a possible Yes vote in the referendum. I don't see why it
:58:49. > :58:53.is difficult that the Scottish government and UK government can
:58:53. > :58:57.have a series of technical discussions. That is what happened
:58:57. > :59:01.in the run-up to the Edinburgh agreement. It is possible to come
:59:01. > :59:06.to an agreement that has two government working together. That
:59:06. > :59:11.seems sensible to me so I don't see why somebody can't have technical
:59:11. > :59:17.discussions before a Yes vote in 2014. I think this is part of the
:59:17. > :59:21.tactics. It is turning people off from the No campaign. It is can't
:59:21. > :59:26.do this, or can't do that. Somehow we can't do progress. I think we
:59:26. > :59:30.can but it takes good will from the anti- independence parties to do so.
:59:30. > :59:36.I would appear far less of this amirs, less of the scare stories,
:59:36. > :59:41.less of the can't do attitude. Let's embrace what is a really
:59:41. > :59:44.exciting and historic opportunity for Scotland. Many thanks for
:59:45. > :59:48.joining us. There are more than 17,000 police
:59:48. > :59:51.officers in Scotland, a record number. To keep them all to fight
:59:51. > :59:54.crime the government needs to cut costs and that's at the heart of
:59:54. > :00:02.the reforms which take effect in April. Our home affairs
:00:02. > :00:06.correspondent Reevel Alderson reports on progress so far.
:00:06. > :00:09.With just 11 weeks until the new single forced comes into being,
:00:09. > :00:14.there has been little concrete evidence of progress towards
:00:14. > :00:21.amalgamation. This was a loss last week of the new trunk road policing
:00:21. > :00:28.unit. Little evidence of progress in a bitter dispute between Chief
:00:28. > :00:35.Constable and Stephen House and Dick Emery. Each says they should
:00:35. > :00:42.be controlling the budget. MSP is a losing patience. On the justice
:00:42. > :00:47.committee, they say it must be settled. We have had assurances
:00:47. > :00:51.these matters will be resolved during December and they were not.
:00:51. > :00:55.We are now told that later this month there is going to be a
:00:55. > :01:05.meeting of the authority and they didn't seem to be too much
:01:05. > :01:09.information to give us comfort. With a similar reorganisation
:01:09. > :01:12.taking place in the fire and rescue Service, agreement has been reached
:01:12. > :01:16.between the new Chief Fire Officer and the chairman of the fire
:01:16. > :01:20.authority of precisely the same contentious issues at the heart of
:01:20. > :01:23.the police dispute. The failure of the police to do the same was
:01:23. > :01:27.raised that First Minister's Questions the stuff for isn't it
:01:27. > :01:33.true that the Cabinet Secretary for Justice has step back a letter a
:01:33. > :01:37.beast with two heads emerge as both camps duplicate H R finance and
:01:37. > :01:47.other functions. Alex Salmond said he remained confident an agreement
:01:47. > :01:51.would be reached. The chair said he hopes for a formal agreement to be
:01:51. > :01:56.reached at the next meeting on 18th January. That was said before
:01:56. > :02:01.Christmas. The number of officers on the street depends on removing
:02:01. > :02:05.the duplication of services. On the police authority, scrutinising the
:02:05. > :02:13.work of the fours. Rank-and-file officers believe any agreement can
:02:13. > :02:21.be reached. They're working in a way they can be a situation when it
:02:21. > :02:25.can be a more amicable way of moving it forward. On April 1st we
:02:25. > :02:29.will have a unified police service whether there will be unity between
:02:29. > :02:32.the Chief Constable and his police authority is still to be resolved.
:02:32. > :02:36.Here with me this morning is the Chairman of the Scottish Police
:02:36. > :02:40.Services Authority, Vic Emery. The Chief Constable of the new
:02:40. > :02:43.police force could not be with us but he gave that this it meant
:02:43. > :02:48.saying any a paper published by the us P before Christmas represents
:02:48. > :02:52.progress towards reaching a working agreement that allows us to focus
:02:52. > :02:57.on the delivery of a new national policing service for April. Thank
:02:57. > :03:05.you for joining me. It is not a great start. How when it did you
:03:05. > :03:10.get to this situation and whose fault is it?-- howl and earth did
:03:10. > :03:15.you get to this situation. A lot of work has been done to date and an
:03:15. > :03:19.act has been put in place to change the status quo and the dynamic. I
:03:19. > :03:26.think a considerable amount of work has been done and we are in a good
:03:26. > :03:31.phrase. What is so wrong about the chief having his own budget? Isn't
:03:31. > :03:37.it your job to let him have that and let him have his freedom?
:03:37. > :03:42.People need to just bear in mind the fact that the legislation
:03:42. > :03:48.creates two legal entities. One is the Constabulary and the police
:03:48. > :03:52.service and the other is a body whose responsibility is to deliver
:03:52. > :03:58.the budget savings and to deliver the budget and be responsible for
:03:58. > :04:03.it. The Scottish Parliament will hold the Scottish Police Authority
:04:03. > :04:07.to account for the efficient spending on a budget. Alex Salmond
:04:07. > :04:12.described the relationship between you and achieve as creative
:04:12. > :04:18.tensions. What is your personal relationship with Stephen House?
:04:18. > :04:26.All these issues are being debated between the Chief Constable and his
:04:26. > :04:30.team and the 13 members of the SPA. That has been productive, it has
:04:30. > :04:36.been very constructive and it is moving forward. Some areas in the
:04:36. > :04:39.media try to portray this as a sort of personal position between the
:04:39. > :04:49.Chief Constable and myself but it couldn't be further than the --
:04:49. > :04:50.
:04:50. > :04:54.from the truth. We get on very well. You're meeting on Friday, the
:04:54. > :05:01.Scottish Police Authority meeting on Friday, what kind of deal are we
:05:01. > :05:05.going to get question mac is it going to be a compromise situation?
:05:05. > :05:10.The deal that will be struck on Friday is what the Act asks us to
:05:10. > :05:15.do. It acts us to hold a chief constable accountable for
:05:15. > :05:21.delivering the best police service possible to the people of Scotland
:05:21. > :05:27.and for another entity, the SPA, to hold into account for that and to
:05:27. > :05:32.manage the Budget. On Friday, a proposal that has been largely
:05:32. > :05:37.discussed will be put forward which says there is a single function and
:05:37. > :05:43.there is a single finance function across the policing of Scotland.
:05:43. > :05:47.There will be a senior people who will be responsible for the policy
:05:47. > :05:51.and strategy is going forward and there will be a single person in
:05:51. > :05:57.the police service of Scotland who will report directly to the Chief
:05:57. > :06:07.Constable to give him the day-to- day operational requirements. I
:06:07. > :06:07.
:06:07. > :06:14.therefore have every confidence So you can confirm that there will
:06:14. > :06:17.be no duplication? There will be no duplication. There is one hr
:06:17. > :06:24.organisation and one financed organisation. You have to remember,
:06:24. > :06:30.we're dealing with 25,000 people here. The S PA has a duty of care
:06:30. > :06:34.to make sure we deliver best value. It is not in our interest to
:06:34. > :06:40.duplicate anything that is being done. Thank you very much for
:06:40. > :06:43.joining us. We are running out of time.
:06:43. > :06:52.Coming up after the news: Has Scotland missed a trick when it
:06:52. > :07:01.comes to maximising tourism revenue from the Whisky Trail? Let's cross
:07:01. > :07:04.now for the news with Chris Rogers and Alasdair Fraser.
:07:04. > :07:07.The First Minister of Northern Ireland Peter Robinson has said the
:07:07. > :07:12.only way to stop the recent violence there is through political
:07:12. > :07:15.dialogue. He was speaking after 29 police officers were injured in the
:07:15. > :07:23.latest violence linked to a decision to restrict the flying of
:07:23. > :07:26.the Union flag at Belfast City Hall. The debris left behind after a
:07:26. > :07:30.dangerous night. Calm has returned to this part of Belfast, but the
:07:30. > :07:34.violence has been a setback to people working to end the trouble.
:07:34. > :07:40.It is now almost six weeks since the City Council voted to restrict
:07:40. > :07:43.the flying of the Union Flag, sparking a dispute that has brought
:07:43. > :07:49.loyalist onto the streets. The First Minister says violence will
:07:49. > :07:53.achieve nothing. The flag is not going to go up because somebody
:07:53. > :07:56.throws something at a policeman. The only way forward is through the
:07:56. > :08:02.political process. We're trying to encourage people to engage with
:08:02. > :08:07.that and to bring forward channels so that we can talk to people.
:08:07. > :08:11.hopes those initiatives will find a way to stop this kind of trouble.
:08:11. > :08:15.Yesterday, 29 police officers were injured. Their highest casualty
:08:15. > :08:20.figure since the dispute started. The rioting broke out when loyalist
:08:20. > :08:25.returning from a demonstration walk past police officers. Both sides
:08:25. > :08:29.were involved in clashes. Police were attacked with petrol-bombs.
:08:29. > :08:33.This week, senior politicians from Belfast, London and Dublin will
:08:33. > :08:38.hold a meeting where they discussed the trouble. Talks are going on
:08:38. > :08:45.behind the scenes as well. People believe the situation can be
:08:45. > :08:48.resolved, but hopes take a hit with every night of destruction.
:08:48. > :08:55.And eight year-old British girl has been shot dead while on holiday in
:08:55. > :09:00.Jamaica. She was in shock when a gunman opened fire. Several adults
:09:00. > :09:05.will also injured in the attack in a small town on the north coast of
:09:05. > :09:10.the island. A court in Egypt has ordered a
:09:10. > :09:15.retrial after accepting an appeal against the life prison sentence of
:09:15. > :09:17.Hosni Mubarak. He was overthrown in 2011 and imprisoned for failing to
:09:17. > :09:23.prevent the deaths of hundreds of demonstrators during the revolt
:09:23. > :09:29.that forced him from power. Our correspondent is in Cairo. Will
:09:29. > :09:33.this appeal come as a surprise? Not exactly, because his lawyer's
:09:33. > :09:37.have been pushing very hard for the appeal. But it is not just an
:09:37. > :09:44.appeal against the light sentence that he received, but against the
:09:44. > :09:48.entire conviction. So it will be a full retrial. All those
:09:48. > :09:53.extraordinary scenes of Hosni Mubarak appearing in a hospital bed,
:09:53. > :09:57.behind a cage in the Court Room, they will count for nothing now.
:09:57. > :10:02.That has shocked the relatives of the victims, those 850 protesters
:10:02. > :10:05.who were killed during the resolution. They felt that he
:10:05. > :10:10.should in fact I've got a death sentence and found guilty of more
:10:10. > :10:13.serious charges of ordering the killings. But there is a
:10:13. > :10:18.possibility that this could backfire, because he will face all
:10:18. > :10:24.those charges again. But there is a question of course about his health
:10:24. > :10:28.and whether he is in a condition to a retrial because just a couple of
:10:28. > :10:32.weeks ago he slipped in prison and he is actually not in prison any
:10:32. > :10:36.more, he is then a minister it -- military and hospital because he
:10:36. > :10:39.broke a rib. So there are questions about where they can face a retrial
:10:39. > :10:45.at all. That's all for now. There will be
:10:46. > :10:48.for round-up of the day's news here on BBC One at 6 o'clock.
:10:49. > :10:51.Good afternoon. The famous West Highland Way and
:10:52. > :10:54.the Great Glen Way are to benefit from a multi-million pound package
:10:54. > :11:03.of improvements aimed at encouraging more people to enjoy
:11:03. > :11:13.Scotland's forests. The money will be used to create new paths and
:11:13. > :11:15.
:11:15. > :11:17.upgrade existing routes. Calls to NHS 24 should be free of
:11:17. > :11:20.charge, according to the Scottish Conservatives. People in Scotland
:11:20. > :11:23.pay the price of a local phone call when calling the advice service
:11:23. > :11:26.from a landline, with calls from a mobile often costing more. The
:11:26. > :11:33.Scottish government says it's considering adopting a new, free-
:11:34. > :11:36.to-use number. It was a cold start to the morning,
:11:36. > :11:46.let's see if that's going to continue - Christopher has the
:11:46. > :11:49.This afternoon a band of rain, sleet and snow is crossing the
:11:50. > :11:53.country. The biggest risk his eyes and it Met Office warning is in
:11:53. > :11:59.force. On high ground there is likely to be snow, but at lower
:11:59. > :12:03.levels, sleet. The ice risk continues across many roads. A cold
:12:03. > :12:07.afternoon with temperatures for many just two or three degrees.
:12:07. > :12:11.With that southerly breeze - at times, a bitterly cold field. Into
:12:11. > :12:18.the evening, drive for a time with mist and fog before his second band
:12:18. > :12:23.of rain comes in from the West. The ice is still in play, a cold start
:12:23. > :12:30.to the working week. That's all for now, I'll hand you
:12:30. > :12:33.We saw some very poor summer tourism figures emerge this week.
:12:33. > :12:36.So, when much of the industry is closed for winter, we're taking
:12:36. > :12:39.stock of this important sector. A senior figure in the industry has
:12:39. > :12:42.told us there's a missed opportunity to attract high end
:12:42. > :12:52.guests to the Scotch Whisky Trail - and to make them stay, eat and
:12:52. > :12:53.
:12:53. > :12:57.relax nearby. Here's our business and economy editor, Douglas Fraser.
:12:57. > :13:02.Wish You were Here, the vineyards of sup up the car or California? Or
:13:02. > :13:10.here, the distilleries in Scotland. Scotland can't compete with the
:13:10. > :13:17.best of destinations. The Moray of Firth was this week named one of
:13:17. > :13:22.the top coastlines. We should not forget it is as much about myth and
:13:22. > :13:25.kitsch that keeps people coming. I'm from Canberra in Australia and
:13:25. > :13:29.I have come to Scotland because I've heard it's a bit full.
:13:29. > :13:33.last summer, they weren't coming in sufficient numbers. Official
:13:33. > :13:39.figures showed a drop of 12% in the number of overseas visitors, but
:13:39. > :13:48.spending down 8%. UK numbers were down, but by only 3%, underspend
:13:48. > :13:54.was up by 8%. It's not hard to get the main recent -- the main reason.
:13:54. > :14:01.Our biggest market is the home market, Scottish and English
:14:01. > :14:06.markets. So the English market stayed at home. There were a number
:14:07. > :14:10.of one-off circumstances to deal with in terms of economic activity
:14:10. > :14:14.and some businesses have been challenges with the Olympics and
:14:14. > :14:19.people staying at home to watch it. And of course the weather, which
:14:19. > :14:25.hopefully one of stubble not happen in 2013. Scottish tourism has a
:14:26. > :14:29.target set in 2006. Within a decade, it was due to be 50% bigger, but
:14:29. > :14:34.that has gone off track economically. So, how to get
:14:34. > :14:44.tourism back on the right road? I've just been to make a film about
:14:44. > :14:46.
:14:46. > :14:54.the whisky industry. I wasn't the only one looking. A former chairman
:14:54. > :15:00.of visit Scotland, still chairman of Gleneagles Hotel Peter looks to
:15:00. > :15:03.South Africa's Tourism for inspiration. All wineries work
:15:03. > :15:07.together, they all have a great product, or happy to four
:15:07. > :15:13.restaurants, coffee shops, hotels. They are working with the
:15:13. > :15:20.government at all levels to markets are a fickle wind. I see a lost
:15:20. > :15:26.opportunity here. How can we take the islands,, where the industry is
:15:26. > :15:33.a huge player in a fragile, a rural economy and build that into not
:15:33. > :15:40.only a visitor experience but an economy in that area so you have
:15:40. > :15:47.somewhere like a Napa Valley? There is any one place in the world that
:15:47. > :15:51.can call itself the malt whisky valley. This week, a new DEFRA to
:15:51. > :15:55.address that challenge. If a you look at what is happening now in
:15:55. > :16:00.terms of this area, there is a whisky festival that in five days
:16:00. > :16:04.generates �1.2 million. We attract a global market there. As we speak,
:16:04. > :16:09.the malt whisky trail is being re- energised and different leadership
:16:09. > :16:11.and I think you will see a much higher profile. So there is at
:16:11. > :16:16.least agreement on making better use of the whisky. And yes, I've
:16:16. > :16:19.been working on it as well. Joining us from our Inverness
:16:19. > :16:22.studio is Scottish Labour's Highlands & Islands MSP Rhoda Grant,
:16:22. > :16:30.who sits on the Economy, Energy & Tourism Committee. And with me in
:16:30. > :16:33.the studio, for the SNP, the South Scotland MSP, Joan McAlpine.
:16:34. > :16:37.First of all, Joan McAlpine, Peter made an interesting point there.
:16:37. > :16:45.Are we missing the point that I have a really good malt whisky
:16:45. > :16:48.valley with a whisky trail? I think there are opportunities as you were
:16:48. > :16:53.saying in the film. There are opportunities that are being
:16:53. > :16:57.improved this year. Certainly, when you look at the new markets coming
:16:57. > :17:02.in, Scottish whisky went up 20% in terms of exports last year and a
:17:02. > :17:08.lot of those markets in places like emergency -- emerging economies,
:17:08. > :17:13.Brazil and China, can take more of a quality product. So I think it's
:17:13. > :17:16.a good idea but good things are already happening. Rhoda Grant, do
:17:16. > :17:20.you think the government should invest some money in trying to
:17:20. > :17:26.improve the malt whisky valley and emulate what we see in the Napa
:17:26. > :17:33.Valley? Yes, I think they have a role in this and many to take it
:17:33. > :17:37.seriously. We have an iconic drink, we are able to say that across the
:17:37. > :17:44.world. We need to bring people into Scotland and give them a really
:17:44. > :17:47.good experience on the back of that. Yes, the distilleries are there and
:17:47. > :17:53.they are marketing themselves with facilities, but we need facilities
:17:53. > :17:56.locally that people can come and stay, with things like golf, that
:17:56. > :18:00.come hand in hand with the whisky trail that we should also be
:18:00. > :18:07.marketing at the same time. Frankly, we need to look at the road now
:18:07. > :18:09.work there as well, to get people transported into the area easily.
:18:10. > :18:14.Some of the roads are in a disgraceful state. The Scottish
:18:14. > :18:18.government need to look at that. Joan McAlpine, in a documentary
:18:18. > :18:21.this week we saw a professor calling for a could do -- a
:18:21. > :18:25.production tax on whisky that could pulling it billion pounds of
:18:25. > :18:33.revenue. Wouldn't that be a good idea to help fund Scotland's
:18:33. > :18:39.budget? The first of all, I'd like to congratulate that film, we need
:18:39. > :18:45.to see more of that about aspects of Scottish Life and the economy. I
:18:45. > :18:48.think the fact he was addressing was that under the current devolved
:18:48. > :18:52.settlement, Scott and that I Scotland doesn't actually get any
:18:52. > :18:57.of the money that whisky makes. It made �4.2 billion last year and
:18:57. > :19:00.that is �1 billion coming into the UK Exchequer. Rather than taxing it
:19:00. > :19:04.twice as he suggests, which she would have to do under the present
:19:04. > :19:08.devolved system, if we get an independent Scotland, the money
:19:08. > :19:12.that currently goes to the UK would come to Scotland. I think that
:19:12. > :19:16.probably a bit more sensible and realistic and taxing the product
:19:17. > :19:21.twice. So in an independent Scotland would you tax the whisky
:19:21. > :19:25.industry? Were well, obviously all governments tax industries. You get
:19:25. > :19:32.the VAT tax, the money that is raced through people who work in
:19:33. > :19:38.industry. So one interesting thing that the film highlighted is the UK
:19:38. > :19:43.does not protect the industry in terms of headquarters being set up
:19:44. > :19:47.in London. What about a production tax, Rhoda Grant? I would have to
:19:47. > :19:51.say that what Joan McAlpine was saying is absolutely ridiculous. Of
:19:51. > :19:55.course we get our share of taxes through the UK Exchequer. That
:19:56. > :20:01.money comes to Scotland as well, so that is just a myth that the SNP
:20:01. > :20:06.want to portray to encourage people along the road to independence,
:20:06. > :20:10.which is absolutely untrue. According to our production tax,
:20:10. > :20:16.frankly, the Scottish government have a social responsibility that
:20:16. > :20:20.is already legislated for. Are they going to raise taxes... A I'm