:00:40. > :00:45.Good morning. We'll come to Sunday politics. The worst hostage crisis
:00:45. > :00:49.in British history has ended with terrible loss of life in Algeria.
:00:50. > :00:55.What happens now it as the desert wastes of North Africa become the
:00:56. > :01:03.new front against terrorism. David Cameron's big speech on
:01:03. > :01:09.Europe is delayed but it will be this week. Shadow Foreign Secretary
:01:09. > :01:12.Douglas Alexander joins us close-up the Tories prepare to take on the
:01:12. > :01:15.teachers in a row over performance- related pay.
:01:15. > :01:18.We will it improve standards in schools? And on Sunday Politics
:01:18. > :01:21.Scotland, more on the UK's relationship with Europe and what
:01:21. > :01:31.it could mean for Scotland. We'll hear from the leader of UKIP,
:01:31. > :01:31.
:01:31. > :36:44.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2113 seconds
:36:44. > :36:49.Nigel Farage, and the SNP MEP Alyn Headteachers are professional
:36:49. > :36:54.people who know how to conduct appraisals of up we will be able to
:36:54. > :37:00.look at the overall effect. Does that mean you'll have to be nice to
:37:00. > :37:09.the head teacher? OFSTED will look at how they conduct their
:37:09. > :37:12.appraisals. The head teacher will be appraised by the governing body.
:37:12. > :37:18.The head teachers seem to what this move, at the what this discretion
:37:18. > :37:25.and think it will be better for teachers? Will be academies
:37:25. > :37:34.arrangement, it has been possible for those schools to opt out. They
:37:34. > :37:39.have not chosen to do it. Why not? They have it in the academies so
:37:39. > :37:43.why are they not doing it? Most academies sign up to the document
:37:43. > :37:48.and that document will be revised for September. What the Government
:37:48. > :37:52.is trying to do is change the culture in our schools so that we
:37:52. > :37:56.can raise the status of the teaching profession and reward the
:37:56. > :38:01.best teachers. That is what happens to professionals outside of
:38:01. > :38:06.teaching. Given that there is not much money in the Budget, does it
:38:06. > :38:16.not follow that funds are limited so if you pay one person more, you
:38:16. > :38:20.have to freeze me or pay me less? Head teachers have to marshal their
:38:20. > :38:24.budgets very closely and they have to have the flexibility to reward
:38:24. > :38:31.the best teachers with the best pay rises. That is he you raise
:38:31. > :38:36.standards. You exist on national pay bargaining. This would be the
:38:36. > :38:40.end of the national pay bargaining? What we have had is a review system
:38:40. > :38:45.for quite a long time and I can assure you there is the lot a
:38:45. > :38:49.bargaining at other levels. The National Union of Teachers are
:38:49. > :38:53.concerned about a lot of things - the curriculum and the state of
:38:53. > :38:58.education... Do you feel strongly enough about this to take
:38:58. > :39:02.industrial action? What we want to do is make the case for saying that
:39:02. > :39:07.one of the difficulties if you break up the system is that every
:39:07. > :39:16.single school will have to pay -- have their own pay arrangements.
:39:16. > :39:20.That means they could take it their eye off the importance aspects.
:39:20. > :39:26.is about using the appraisal system to identify what training is needed
:39:26. > :39:36.to nurture teachers. Teachers are brought on Andy extra flexibility
:39:36. > :39:39.
:39:39. > :39:44.they have could lead to more Good morning and welcome to Sunday
:39:44. > :39:50.Politics Scotland. Coming up on the programme today. David Cameron will
:39:50. > :39:52.now make his much trailed Europe Speech this week. So in theory, if
:39:52. > :39:54.there's a Yes vote in the independence referendum, 2015 could
:39:55. > :39:57.see a Scottish government negotiating to hug Brussels closer,
:39:57. > :40:06.whilst a Westminster government could manoeuvre to pull in the
:40:06. > :40:12.opposite direction. We'll be talking live to the UKIP Leader
:40:12. > :40:15.Nigel Farage and the SNP MEP Alyn Smith.
:40:15. > :40:19.It's been 20 years since the Czech and Slovak republics separated in
:40:19. > :40:25.the velvet divorce. As time moves on, we ask if there are any big
:40:25. > :40:29.lessons to be learned from how they negotiated their parting?
:40:29. > :40:39.And as MSPs look at ways to further reduce teen pregnancy, we ask: why
:40:39. > :40:40.
:40:40. > :40:43.it is so high in the country's It was the speech that never was.
:40:43. > :40:48.But David Cameron still plans to set out his vision for the UK's
:40:48. > :40:54.future in Europe this week. With plenty of red meat to satisfy Tory
:40:54. > :40:58.Eurosceptics. There are two inter- twined strands to this debate, of
:40:58. > :41:01.course, as we in Scotland debate independence in Europe. Raymond
:41:01. > :41:11.Buchanan examines how Edinburgh and London view Brussels in their very
:41:11. > :41:12.
:41:12. > :41:18.different ways. Will come to European politics. The
:41:18. > :41:23.latest EU deal struck last Friday was a bit fish. It's a subject that
:41:23. > :41:26.unites the SNP and the Scottish Conservatives. Both parties what
:41:26. > :41:32.the way in which European deals like this are but radically changes
:41:32. > :41:37.but on other issues they are not so united, not least in how close a
:41:37. > :41:40.relationship Scotland and Britain should have led the EU. David
:41:40. > :41:46.Cameron's cancelled speech was to argue for a new European deal
:41:46. > :41:51.warning the institutions were increasingly isolating those they
:41:51. > :41:59.were supposed to serve. The SNP's policy on Europe is becoming more
:41:59. > :42:04.pragmatic. In terms of returning to the original narratives, we want
:42:04. > :42:10.independence in Europe. This is very clear and quite distinct from
:42:10. > :42:15.Westminster politics. It is very likely the SNP will decide this
:42:15. > :42:21.could be one of their strong cards in the end and we shall see how
:42:21. > :42:25.Europe plays into the debate. this week, the Deputy First
:42:25. > :42:29.Minister Nicola Sturgeon will give a speech in Dublin outlining the
:42:29. > :42:34.SNP's vision for an independent Scotland at the heart of Europe.
:42:34. > :42:39.She will contrast the certainty of her party's commitment to the EU
:42:39. > :42:44.with David Cameron's questioning of it. Which of these is closest to
:42:44. > :42:50.the Scottish people? Evidence of Scottish attitudes has been a
:42:50. > :43:00.little bit more pro EU than the UK as a whole but we have to presume
:43:00. > :43:05.that Scotland is also predominantly in the eurosceptic mood. This may
:43:05. > :43:15.question the SNP's strategy of being pro-European, not shared by
:43:15. > :43:21.all nationalists. It is very ironic because the yes campaign is not
:43:21. > :43:25.eurosceptic in itself. The official campaign echoes what the boss says
:43:25. > :43:30.and if Alex Salmond says we are going to be in Europe, you'd better
:43:30. > :43:35.like it! David Cameron is facing criticism from his own side not
:43:35. > :43:40.least from former Deputy Prime Minister Michael Heseltine. He said
:43:40. > :43:47.the strategy was ill-advised and potentially damaging to business.
:43:47. > :43:51.European politics has often been messy but this week's fish stocks
:43:51. > :43:54.shows a deal is often done. The question is what kind of
:43:54. > :43:57.relationship Scotland and Britain what with the their neighbours. I'm
:43:57. > :44:00.now joined from London by the leader of the UK Independence Party,
:44:00. > :44:06.Nigel Farage, and from our Edinburgh studio by Alyn Smith, the
:44:06. > :44:13.SNP MEP. Good morning to you both. First of
:44:14. > :44:19.all, are you hoping to capitalise on David Cameron's European moves
:44:19. > :44:23.here in Scotland? The whole Scottish debate has been very odd
:44:24. > :44:28.because of this whole campaign the SNP have led for independence - you
:44:28. > :44:34.cannot be independent if you also want to be part of the European
:44:34. > :44:39.Union. The entire Scottish debates really is being redefined in the
:44:40. > :44:45.radical way and I never thought I would say this but thank you, up
:44:45. > :44:48.Jose Manuel Barroso, for making it absolutely clear that if Scotland
:44:48. > :44:53.it believes the United Kingdom, she would have to sign a new treaty
:44:53. > :44:55.that would commit her to signing up to the European currency. That has
:44:55. > :45:02.made a bigger difference in the Scottish debate than anything that
:45:02. > :45:07.has happened before it. Turning to the SNP, you're party attacks
:45:07. > :45:12.eurosceptics. Perhaps in Scotland we few things a little differently.
:45:12. > :45:18.You would only get about 3% of the vote here in Scotland. The reason
:45:18. > :45:22.we have done poorly in Scotland is because the word, independence,
:45:22. > :45:27.means something different in Scottish politics that has never
:45:27. > :45:32.really been properly examined. Up people can see bracingly that what
:45:32. > :45:35.is offered from Scotland is not independence but in fact at a
:45:35. > :45:41.deeper dependency and the total loss of democracy to European
:45:41. > :45:47.institutions. Recent opinion polls back this up. We are now in a
:45:47. > :45:52.position where UKIP can make advance is in Scotland. They are
:45:52. > :45:57.very clear statement there. You are hoping to capitalise on David
:45:57. > :46:02.Cameron's moves but it seems you might be slightly expose their.
:46:02. > :46:06.What does independence really mean? Coming in the taxi here this
:46:06. > :46:12.morning I made a decision to be nice to Nigel and praise some of
:46:12. > :46:17.the advances may have made an their concessions to wait disgruntled
:46:17. > :46:22.Middle England. That is a clear statement but that is completely
:46:22. > :46:26.fictitious. Jose Mau Mau of are also absolutely did not say there
:46:26. > :46:35.would be a new treaty. He said if the state leaves that does not
:46:35. > :46:41.negotiate that is a poor country. - - Jose Manuel Barroso. We have
:46:41. > :46:45.allowed in Scotland for 30 years Scotland's interests to be decided
:46:45. > :46:49.and represented by successive UK ministers who have neither shared
:46:49. > :46:54.our beliefs nor articulated them well. It is no surprise we have not
:46:54. > :46:59.done as well as we could have done by a representing ourselves. The
:46:59. > :47:05.idea that Ireland caused much Denmark, Sweden, Finland are not
:47:05. > :47:10.independent is absurd. I am glad to see EU kept getting asked some
:47:10. > :47:15.difficult questions because they can pull together saw the empty --
:47:15. > :47:25.sovereignty. In order to do that, we need to be at the table doing
:47:25. > :47:27.
:47:27. > :47:34.some heavy lifting not posturing We are hearing it from the Deputy
:47:34. > :47:38.First Minister that a UK pulls out of Europe it will have a chilling
:47:38. > :47:46.effect. Better to be at the heart of it rather than on the sidelines,
:47:46. > :47:50.as Alyn Smith put at. What would happen to common
:47:51. > :47:56.fisheries is we would be like nor way. The management of those waters
:47:56. > :48:02.would purely be the responsibility of elected Scottish officials. Tens
:48:02. > :48:05.of thousands more jobs in at the Scottish fishing industry alone. I
:48:05. > :48:10.do not buy the scare stories that if we are not part of the European
:48:10. > :48:14.Union cannot go on doing business with them. Mercedes and Volkswagen
:48:15. > :48:20.will want to keep selling of their cars in their United Kingdom
:48:20. > :48:25.regardless of whether we are part of a political union or not. At the
:48:25. > :48:30.heart of this is that you cannot be independent if 75% of your laws are
:48:30. > :48:40.made by foreign institutions. Scotland would frankly be so small
:48:40. > :48:44.it would be irrelevant. I want to pick up on that. You want
:48:44. > :48:48.the Common Fisheries Policy and renegotiated. You are not happy
:48:48. > :48:54.with the Common Agricultural Policy. You voted against with Labour. If
:48:54. > :49:00.you are not as pro-European as you portray yourself.
:49:00. > :49:06.With respect of the whole debate is wrong. It tries to drill things
:49:06. > :49:11.down to black and white. The only question for the SNP is, what is in
:49:11. > :49:15.the best interests of Scotland? That doesn't mean we think
:49:15. > :49:24.everything in the European Union as super. There is lots of reform I
:49:24. > :49:29.would happily see. Ruinous journeys to Strasbourg every month and good.
:49:29. > :49:34.Lots of things need to be changed. But Nigel has made a point
:49:34. > :49:39.repeatedly, unchallenged. I specifically sought membership of
:49:39. > :49:44.the Switzerland - and more weight delegation of the parliament. We go
:49:44. > :49:49.to them every six months. The Norwegians have just concluded a 20
:49:49. > :49:54.you study about the functioning of the agreement. They concluded that
:49:54. > :50:00.they are more integrated into law than the UK as by virtue of the
:50:00. > :50:10.fact they are fully signed-up to be showing an accords, whereas they --
:50:10. > :50:13.
:50:13. > :50:19.we are not. -- Schengen. Nigel is a world-class snake-oil salesman but
:50:19. > :50:23.the people of Scotland are not buying it.
:50:23. > :50:32.Lots of people in Scotland are saying that they SNP are not being
:50:33. > :50:41.clear about what might happen with the currency and the poor controls.
:50:41. > :50:49.-- border. We are being clear, if you take the
:50:49. > :50:54.time to read what we are saying. What is a very clear is that the
:50:54. > :51:00.European Union will not want to lose us. We do not want to leave.
:51:00. > :51:03.We can be part of a coalition for change. The reason that Prime
:51:03. > :51:09.Minister Cameron went to the Netherlands is because they are
:51:09. > :51:15.currently reviewing their European Union arrangements. As is the case
:51:15. > :51:23.in Finland. Other ways of doing this are possible.
:51:23. > :51:28.I want to pick up. About border controls. You mentioned a possible
:51:28. > :51:33.influx of Romanians and Bulgarians in at 2015. Do you appreciate that
:51:33. > :51:41.the attitude in Scotland is a slightly different?
:51:41. > :51:46.Yes, they have not had a massive migration that parts of England has.
:51:46. > :51:50.My attitude towards foreign workers is that if they are skilled, great.
:51:51. > :51:57.But we should not discriminate in favour of people from Europe and
:51:58. > :52:03.the caressed the rest of the world. -- against. The anger in England,
:52:03. > :52:08.which will spread to Scotland, is that next year we are letting in
:52:09. > :52:14.two incredibly poor countries. Does people will be entitled to come not
:52:14. > :52:24.just to work but to gain access to benefits immediately. This will
:52:24. > :52:24.
:52:24. > :52:28.become an issue in British politics. What is the SNP policy?
:52:29. > :52:33.I get uncomfortable hearing an Englishman talk about migration. It
:52:33. > :52:38.jars with my world-view. The people of Scotland are best placed to
:52:38. > :52:43.decide who lives here and watch our arrangement with the rest of Europe
:52:43. > :52:47.should be. Freedom of movement is a crucial part of the European the
:52:48. > :52:51.raison d'etre. To improve the fortunes of Romania and Bulgaria is
:52:51. > :52:56.to trade with them and a single market and bring up living
:52:56. > :53:02.standards towards European averages. Immigration is a different subject
:53:02. > :53:08.in Scotland. Nigel, you want Scotland that they
:53:08. > :53:13.cannot expect a blank cheque in the event of independence.
:53:13. > :53:19.The fact is that the European Union imperialists are bringing in poorer
:53:19. > :53:25.and poorer countries. The even want Turkey to join. There is unanimity
:53:25. > :53:31.on that. You will become a net pay her into a system where you will
:53:31. > :53:35.not be allowed to catch your own cash in your own waters. Frankly,
:53:35. > :53:43.the European Union is good for professional career politicians but
:53:43. > :53:49.not for ordinary people. A quick work?
:53:49. > :53:54.I am not sure I am gay career professional politician. -- I am
:53:54. > :53:58.not sure that I am a career politician. We have the ability to
:53:58. > :54:01.work with our friends and colleagues to achieve better things
:54:01. > :54:08.than the otherwise would. There is nothing wrong with membership that
:54:08. > :54:17.would be put right by independence and speaking for ourselves. -- that
:54:17. > :54:23.won't be put right. The Czech and Slovak republics
:54:23. > :54:29.glided apart 20 years ago. For many it is an interesting comparison for
:54:29. > :54:39.Scottish independence, if we reach that stage. We travelled east to
:54:39. > :54:42.
:54:42. > :54:52.find out more. Pride is a city of a romance and a revolution. -- --
:54:52. > :54:55.
:54:55. > :55:02.Prague. Protests here caused Czech communism to melt away. The country
:55:02. > :55:06.split in two. Slovakia celebrated independence at the time. 20 years
:55:06. > :55:12.later, in the capital, Bratislava, the Government say that statehood
:55:12. > :55:16.has paid off. People said it was not the best
:55:16. > :55:22.idea but right now we are doing very well, the Czech Republic are
:55:22. > :55:27.doing very well and our friendship is better than ever.
:55:27. > :55:37.Things were more sombre in the Czech Republic. Two decades later,
:55:37. > :55:41.a mixed assessment is offered. Being a prime minister, it has some
:55:41. > :55:49.advantages, but the international weight of both republics together
:55:49. > :55:55.his lesser in -- in the former -- lesser than the former
:55:55. > :56:00.Czechoslovakia. The history of post-communist
:56:00. > :56:04.central Europe is dramatically different from the United Kingdom.
:56:04. > :56:12.But both sides over the debate in Scottish independence attempted to
:56:12. > :56:16.draw lessons from the so called a velvet divorce. The Sunday politics
:56:16. > :56:21.has learned that Alex Salmond met the Czech Republic President at the
:56:21. > :56:31.Olympics and John Swinney held informal talks with his counterpart
:56:31. > :56:35.
:56:35. > :56:42.in crack. We do not know what was discussed. -- in Prague.
:56:42. > :56:49.Emotions run high. Things happen which you do not foresee in advance.
:56:49. > :56:53.I would say, be careful, go step by step.
:56:53. > :56:58.In Czechoslovakia the step that they must was to consult the people
:56:58. > :57:05.in a referendum. That is one aspect of the history here that will not
:57:05. > :57:10.be repeated in Scotland. With me now is professor James
:57:10. > :57:19.Mitchell, the head of the school of Government and Public Policy at
:57:19. > :57:28.Strathclyde University. It is an important decision. How easy is it
:57:28. > :57:33.to make this a Scottish comparison? There are certain things in the
:57:33. > :57:41.Czechoslovak in situation which are relevant to our situation, but much
:57:41. > :57:46.that is irrelevant. Clearly, Czechoslovakia was a very different
:57:46. > :57:51.state. It was part of the Soviet system. That meant a different
:57:51. > :57:56.economy to the type that we have in the United Kingdom and Scotland. In
:57:56. > :58:00.that respect, given that economics is terribly important, it was
:58:00. > :58:10.different. But on the other hand they had to feel their way. There
:58:10. > :58:11.
:58:11. > :58:17.are no clear rules and regulations, it is about negotiation.
:58:17. > :58:23.95% of negotiations taking place before Independence Day.
:58:23. > :58:31.Yes. People ask, be negotiate before, or or only after everything
:58:31. > :58:37.is complete? And there was still the glossy sheen so many years
:58:37. > :58:41.after the symbolic independence. -- still negotiations. But I suspect
:58:41. > :58:46.that a symbolic date would be agreed in the case of Scott and yet
:58:46. > :58:51.there would still be much to be discussed. -- in the case of
:58:51. > :58:57.Scotland. But this was a very grown-up way of
:58:57. > :59:03.doing things. Yes, that is why they call it the
:59:03. > :59:06.velvet divorce. At the moment there are all sorts of suggestions that
:59:07. > :59:14.the UK Government would not be willing to operate in negotiations
:59:14. > :59:16.but we can forget all that, it is just part of the campaign. If
:59:16. > :59:20.independence was to be voted for, clearly it would be in the
:59:20. > :59:27.interests of England to negotiate, because it needs to a good
:59:27. > :59:32.neighbour. So there would be rational behaviour.
:59:32. > :59:36.And political parties were packing up the similarities. The SNP said
:59:36. > :59:43.that the Czechs and Slovaks are doing very well economic life.
:59:44. > :59:48.Others said that exports went down. Both sides are keen to find the
:59:48. > :59:53.similarities. Yes, they will pick and choose that
:59:53. > :59:58.and anything else that suits their argument. But clearly it was far
:59:58. > :00:01.less disruptive and took far less time. But over time what is
:00:01. > :00:06.interesting is not that both countries have succeeded but are
:00:06. > :00:10.coming back together and discussing things. At the end of last year
:00:10. > :00:15.there was a joint cabinet meeting they between the two countries. So
:00:15. > :00:21.it is conceivable you can vote for independence yet start to work
:00:21. > :00:27.together closely again. They did not have a referendum. There are
:00:28. > :00:33.perhaps still some regrets about that nowadays.
:00:33. > :00:39.Yes, the evidence is that most people would not have voted for it
:00:39. > :00:45.back then. But that today they are satisfied and there is a sense that
:00:45. > :00:52.it has succeeded. I suspect that if it was put to referendum today, the
:00:52. > :00:57.status quo would be accepted. What will be the SNP policy of
:00:57. > :01:01.negotiating their way back into Europe?
:01:01. > :01:05.Their position is probably a mistake I think. They adopted a
:01:05. > :01:11.position insisting that Scotland would automatically have membership
:01:11. > :01:17.of the E u. I can understand why. They want to the issue of people it
:01:17. > :01:20.will not be disruptive. But I think it might be in the best interests
:01:20. > :01:26.of Scotland to find themselves outside the European Union and then
:01:26. > :01:31.they go seat to join. What we know is that once you become a member,
:01:31. > :01:36.your position is weakened. You may go seating position. We can see
:01:36. > :01:41.this with David Cameron, we conceded back in the 1970s, we have
:01:41. > :01:47.accepted treaties, and now he is saying, we don't like this. That is
:01:47. > :01:57.very difficult. The strongest position to be and as to be outside
:01:57. > :02:06.at the outset, negotiating and. We have lots of bargaining chips.
:02:06. > :02:10.What is the tenor of the debate? It is fairly acrimonious. I think
:02:10. > :02:16.there is a lot more when you wants to the debate that we need to bring
:02:16. > :02:23.out. -- nuance. We have claims and counter-claims and all sides need
:02:23. > :02:33.to move towards more nuance and acceptance. Some of the claims and
:02:33. > :02:37.counter-claims are absorbed. It could be very complex.
:02:37. > :02:45.It will be complex. We're discussing British and Scottish
:02:45. > :02:49.membership if they European Union. But I think it is better to talk in
:02:49. > :02:58.terms of relationships. How do we relate to London government? How do
:02:58. > :03:08.we relate to Brussels? Thank you for joining us. We are
:03:08. > :03:12.
:03:12. > :03:17.The Prime Minister says that three British nationals that none to been
:03:17. > :03:21.killed in the Algerian hostage crisis. Algeria says that its
:03:21. > :03:25.special forces ended the stand-off yesterday because Islamist
:03:25. > :03:31.militants were planning to blow up the site.
:03:31. > :03:41.The four bases she is finally over. These pictures are believed to show
:03:41. > :03:42.
:03:42. > :03:47.one of the first attempt Spike Algerian forces to end it. These
:03:47. > :03:53.are glimpses of the ordeal suffered by the hostages. The pictures show
:03:53. > :03:58.hostages surrendering before the kidnappers. The responsibility for
:03:58. > :04:02.these deaths lies squarely with the terrorists. I would also say that
:04:02. > :04:08.when you're dealing with a terrorist incident on this scale,
:04:08. > :04:16.it is extremely difficult to respond and to get this right in
:04:16. > :04:21.every respect. The crisis began early on Saturday morning. On
:04:21. > :04:27.Thursday, an initial assault by Algerian forces killed militants
:04:27. > :04:33.and captives of will other hostages managed to escape. With 11 gunmen
:04:33. > :04:39.still holed up, the Algerian army stormed the complex again. The
:04:39. > :04:45.special British consulate team has been sent to the rear to help the
:04:45. > :04:50.survivors and repay create the dead. These pictures shown an Algerian
:04:50. > :04:55.television are said to be part of the Arsenal used by militants and
:04:55. > :05:03.Mrs apparently what one freed hostage sock. Another indication of
:05:03. > :05:07.the horrors of the past few days. Tributes have been paid to four
:05:07. > :05:16.climbers cut by an avalanche in the Scottish Highlands. ACE service was
:05:16. > :05:19.held in their memory any church in Glencore.
:05:19. > :05:23.Around 260 flights are to be cancelled at Heathrow and several
:05:23. > :05:27.Eurostar trains between London, Brussels and Paris are also
:05:27. > :05:37.cancelled. Ice and freezing temperatures are expected along
:05:37. > :05:39.
:05:39. > :05:42.with a more snow for next week. It has been snowing heavily on
:05:43. > :05:47.Cambridgeshire for the past hour. Snow and ice are causing problems
:05:47. > :05:52.on and gritted roads and we're expecting significant snowfall here
:05:52. > :05:58.as well as in the south-east, eastern parts, the North Midlands
:05:58. > :06:04.and possibly north-east Wales. The advice for motorists is to check
:06:04. > :06:07.forecasts before travelling and be aware of ACE conditions. You are
:06:07. > :06:13.also advised to check you're transport services are running
:06:13. > :06:18.before leave him home. That's all for now. More news on
:06:19. > :06:21.BBC One at 6 o'clock. Good afternoon. Prayers were said
:06:21. > :06:27.this morning for four climbers who were killed in an avalanche in
:06:27. > :06:31.Glencoe yesterday. A man and a woman survived. The woman suffered
:06:31. > :06:40.serious head injuries and is being treated in hospital in Fort William.
:06:40. > :06:44.From Glencoe, here's our reporter Laura Bicker.
:06:44. > :06:49.This is the south face where the six climbers were making their way
:06:49. > :06:56.down when an avalanche struck. One of them is still seriously ill in
:06:56. > :07:01.hospital, but sadly the bodies of four climbers were recovered by
:07:01. > :07:05.medical rescue teams yesterday. Prayers are being said this
:07:05. > :07:09.lunchtime in the local church for them and their families. It is
:07:09. > :07:14.thought at this stage that a slab of snow simply went from underneath
:07:14. > :07:17.the climbers and we got to know more about what happened and why
:07:17. > :07:19.from the police this afternoon. It's unclear how many people with
:07:19. > :07:22.Scottish connections are among those still missing or unaccounted
:07:22. > :07:24.for after the Algerian hostage crisis. Prime Minister David
:07:24. > :07:28.Cameron this morning confirmed that three British nationals are known
:07:28. > :07:31.to have been killed in the incident. Three more are feared to have died,
:07:31. > :07:41.and a UK resident has also been killed. Scottish families are
:07:41. > :07:41.
:07:41. > :07:44.waiting to hear news of loved ones. My only real concern at the moment
:07:44. > :07:49.is there are still families watching this programme desperately
:07:49. > :07:53.waiting for news and the need to note that the British government's
:07:53. > :07:56.officials are working hard to make sure that any information is the
:07:56. > :07:59.lot of them as quickly as possible. A registration scheme for landlords
:07:59. > :08:01.has resulted in 100 applicants being turned down over the past
:08:01. > :08:03.five years, according to figures obtained by the Scottish
:08:03. > :08:06.Conservatives. Landlords have contributed �11 million in fees,
:08:06. > :08:09.while the Scottish Government paid more than �5 million of the start
:08:09. > :08:13.up costs. Ministers say the scheme was designed to provide reassurance
:08:13. > :08:17.to tenants rather than generate criminal prosecutions.
:08:17. > :08:19.Onto the weather now. It will be another cold day, with widespread
:08:19. > :08:21.another cold day, with widespread frosty conditions. Rather cloudy in
:08:21. > :08:25.the east with further wintry showers. Drier and brighter in the
:08:25. > :08:28.west and north with sunny spells, but the odd snow flurry here too.
:08:28. > :08:31.It will be very cold this evening with some clear spells, but these
:08:31. > :08:41.will be mostly in the northwest with eastern parts staying mostly
:08:41. > :08:44.
:08:44. > :08:48.That's all for now, I'll hand you back to Andrew.
:08:48. > :08:55.We heard about Glencore in the news. We can cross now to Aberdeen where
:08:55. > :09:04.the First Minister joins us. First of all, your reaction to the
:09:04. > :09:09.tragic news? It is an appalling and tragic day. Four people lost their
:09:09. > :09:12.lives and a lady is being treated in hospital. She has been
:09:12. > :09:17.transferred to the Southern General and hospital where she is
:09:17. > :09:21.critically ill. It is the very serious is the that in tragic
:09:22. > :09:28.circumstances. Our thoughts go out to the relatives who have lost
:09:28. > :09:33.their lives. It is the time of year when incidents occur. Are we doing
:09:33. > :09:39.enough to warn people about what can happen? The Scottish mountains
:09:39. > :09:45.are breathtakingly beautiful but clearly a very dangerous place.
:09:45. > :09:49.That is known and understood. We have made huge advances and
:09:49. > :09:54.climbers and made in years are by and large much better prepared and
:09:54. > :10:02.warned and equipped than before, but none the less, the Scottish
:10:02. > :10:08.mountains in January it are not, and it was not the most difficult
:10:08. > :10:12.conditions yesterday, but they are inherently dangerous places. Not
:10:12. > :10:20.all fatalities on Scottish mountains are accidents are
:10:20. > :10:23.incidents but none the less they are a dangerous place. It is the
:10:23. > :10:28.sport and the recreation that gives untold pleasure to tens of
:10:28. > :10:31.thousands of people, and the general story is that despite the
:10:31. > :10:35.fact there are many more people going out walking in the Scottish
:10:35. > :10:41.hills, because people were better prepared and more aware, the
:10:41. > :10:47.general trend of accidents has been downwards over the last 20 years.
:10:47. > :10:52.Every fatality is the tragedy and a very incident is deeply regret it.
:10:52. > :10:58.If we turn our attention now to another tragic incident in Algeria.
:10:58. > :11:04.Just to get some clarity. We heard that a number of Scottish residents
:11:04. > :11:08.were held hostage and are now safe and well. Last night, the Scottish
:11:08. > :11:12.government expressed concerns that Scots or people with Scottish
:11:12. > :11:18.connections are believed to be among the dead or missing. D you
:11:18. > :11:27.have any updates? The position is that two Scots, not necessarily a
:11:27. > :11:34.resident but never the less Gotts, are believed to have been killed. -
:11:34. > :11:38.- Scots. Police are now just onside in Algeria or an formal
:11:38. > :11:43.identification has not been made but families were informed of the
:11:43. > :11:46.maximum amount of information yesterday. Two Scottish family's
:11:46. > :11:52.have been informed that their loved ones are believed to have been
:11:52. > :12:00.killed. It Scots have returned from Algeria or under either with their
:12:00. > :12:04.families or en route. If they're not with their families already,
:12:04. > :12:07.the very soon will be. Eight families will be celebrating the
:12:07. > :12:13.return of their loved ones but two Scots are believed to have been
:12:13. > :12:17.killed. It is the developing situation and has been called the
:12:18. > :12:26.new front in the war against terror. Would you be happy with the UK
:12:26. > :12:29.tried to take part and helped with that? Obviously there has to be a
:12:29. > :12:36.priority in this area that perhaps in the recent past has not been
:12:36. > :12:40.given. The North African desk was recently demoted and the Foreign
:12:40. > :12:45.Office but there is a realisation that Mrs Annie area we should be
:12:45. > :12:53.given much more priority. In terms of assistance and and terms of the
:12:53. > :12:57.safety of UK nationals, of course, all assistance should be given. If
:12:57. > :13:02.you're asking my opinion on an armed intervention in North Africa,
:13:02. > :13:06.I do not think it is being sought in Algeria and as you know, my
:13:06. > :13:10.views on these matters is you need to be extraordinarily cautious
:13:10. > :13:17.before you start talking about committing soldiers on the ground.
:13:17. > :13:20.I do not think anyone is Seriously talking about that at the moment.
:13:20. > :13:26.There is the major difference between seeing and the up as a
:13:26. > :13:32.priority and not allowing it to disappear from the radar on
:13:32. > :13:37.security grounds, and with putting troops into I'll GDR. Scottish
:13:37. > :13:40.workers at real risk here, many from your constituency. Can we do
:13:40. > :13:46.more to help protect Scots who going abroad and are living in
:13:46. > :13:54.these areas? Apart from the general co-operation in terms of security
:13:54. > :14:04.and in terms of the oil companies who are well versed in this. I have
:14:04. > :14:04.
:14:04. > :14:10.been to a number of situations. Apart from taking these precautions,
:14:10. > :14:15.for people and the oil industry, the understand that many oil
:14:15. > :14:20.provinces have been unstable and dangerous places. That does not
:14:20. > :14:28.mean you can neglect or be in any sense accepting of the risks people
:14:28. > :14:33.take, but these risks are well known. The service companies are
:14:33. > :14:40.aware of them. The maximum effort must be made to make security a
:14:40. > :14:48.lair. In policy terms, what is clear from the tragedy and the it
:14:48. > :14:51.rage of the last week is that any thought that North Africa or
:14:51. > :14:56.Algeria is less of a potentially difficult and dangerous place
:14:56. > :14:59.should be removed entirely. It should certainly be a foreign
:14:59. > :15:07.policy priority and they would have thought that is pretty obvious from
:15:07. > :15:10.the recent tragic a bits. -- events. Why are girls from deprived areas
:15:10. > :15:13.of the country more likely to become teenage mums than those who
:15:13. > :15:15.are better off? It's an issue being examined by a Health Committee at
:15:16. > :15:18.Holyrood next month. They're calling for evidence on why
:15:18. > :15:21.Scotland continues to have one of the highest levels of teen
:15:21. > :15:31.pregnancy in Western Europe and whether we are doing enough to
:15:31. > :15:33.
:15:33. > :15:36.bring about real and lasting change. Hayley Jarvis reports.
:15:36. > :15:41.Katharine Mackie was 16 and living in Commander up when she fell
:15:41. > :15:48.pregnant. When I first found out I was pregnant it was a big shock to
:15:48. > :15:51.me. I really thought this was my life over. She is now 21 and has
:15:52. > :15:57.the second daughter with her partner. Although she has no
:15:57. > :16:03.regrets about having children at the young age, she feels not many
:16:03. > :16:07.opportunities were open to have at that time. No employers were taking
:16:07. > :16:14.me. I felt like I was getting nowhere. I was trying and getting
:16:14. > :16:21.nothing. All I did was be at home and looked after her. What am I
:16:21. > :16:25.going to do? While numbers have fallen in each of the past four
:16:25. > :16:29.years, Scotland still has one of the highest rates of teenage
:16:29. > :16:34.pregnancy in western Europe but figures vary greatly across the
:16:34. > :16:38.country with figures showing women under 20 are living in poor areas
:16:38. > :16:42.are 10 times more likely to have a child and twice as likely to have
:16:42. > :16:48.an abortion than those who are better off. Why is there such a
:16:48. > :16:53.link between poor Bertie and teenage pregnancy? It depends on
:16:53. > :16:59.the options available to you. If you are looking at forfeiting ad to
:16:59. > :17:06.be on a future career, that is going to influence your choices. If
:17:06. > :17:10.what you see is an employment and a paucity of opportunity, this baby
:17:10. > :17:14.means you have a role once you can become a mother and fit into the
:17:14. > :17:20.community in which you live and be respected, that might be influenced
:17:20. > :17:25.that choice. NHS Scotland are trying to reduce the number of
:17:25. > :17:29.unplanned pregnancies through sex education and access to
:17:29. > :17:34.contraception but see in deprived areas there are other issues.
:17:34. > :17:39.of it is to do with aspiration and lifelong ambition. What are you
:17:39. > :17:43.looking for a few do not have a job? It is about how people develop
:17:43. > :17:46.relationships because we know some people are looking at developing a
:17:46. > :17:51.bond with something they laugh because they did not necessarily
:17:51. > :17:55.have that with their family. Study in Dundee which has the
:17:55. > :17:59.highest rate of teenage pregnancy in the country found that a lack of
:17:59. > :18:05.confidence could also be a reason. If people come from difficult
:18:05. > :18:11.backgrounds, a lot needs to be done to make sure they have those skills
:18:11. > :18:14.to mean they can say no. Up teenage pregnancy can have a long lasting
:18:15. > :18:21.impact but Katharine who is now getting advice from the centre in
:18:21. > :18:24.Glasgow, says it can be a positive thing. I was very young but some
:18:24. > :18:32.people want that in their life and if they think they can handle it
:18:32. > :18:36.and have that support, just to have that in your life. MSPs will begin
:18:36. > :18:46.taking evidence next week on how to reduce pregnancies and to support
:18:46. > :18:48.
:18:48. > :18:53.those who find themselves parents I am joined by the chief executive
:18:53. > :19:01.of the charity, Children First, and a director of the Royal College of
:19:01. > :19:09.midwives in Scotland. We have got some of the worst rates in western
:19:09. > :19:14.Europe. Are you trying to identify some underlying causes?
:19:14. > :19:22.It is complex. You have a batten young people at different issues.
:19:22. > :19:27.There are those who are into binge drinking and substance abuse. We
:19:27. > :19:32.often hear from young people who do not realise they are not in a fit
:19:32. > :19:39.state. That is one group. Then there is another group, who are
:19:39. > :19:44.possibly ambivalent or even want to have children, for all these
:19:45. > :19:50.reasons mentioned, perhaps not seen a role for themselves, not having a
:19:50. > :19:55.career to look for two, so having a baby is a way of saying, I am a
:19:56. > :20:00.mother now, I have some body. But there are also lots of things about
:20:00. > :20:05.young people who find it difficult to negotiate relationships, talk
:20:05. > :20:11.about sex, about competence -- about contraception. It is not
:20:11. > :20:15.enough for us to just say, this is a condom, this is how you use it.
:20:15. > :20:20.It is about negotiating relationships. Are very complex
:20:20. > :20:26.area. And there is an emotional
:20:26. > :20:34.fulfilment that some youngsters might be looking for.
:20:34. > :20:38.Undoubtedly. We must not judge. Not all young teenage mothers are a bad
:20:38. > :20:46.mothers. We have to get that right. Lots of them are good mothers who
:20:46. > :20:55.just need support. We have to look and ask, how can we help and
:20:55. > :21:00.support these young people? There has been some work done by the
:21:00. > :21:08.family and a spark a ship, looking at that. It is a very good in the
:21:08. > :21:18.City. -- the family - nerves partnership. - a very good
:21:18. > :21:25.
:21:25. > :21:29.development. They do not realise that this is a 24 hour commitment.
:21:29. > :21:36.And the role of young fathers? Contrary to the stereotype many
:21:36. > :21:41.want to get involved but do not know how to.
:21:41. > :21:47.Absolutely. We were involved in research talking to young fathers.
:21:47. > :21:51.Many of them wanted to have a role in their child's life. Not
:21:51. > :21:57.necessarily marriage and happy ever after, but they wanted some role,
:21:57. > :22:03.some level of responsibility. Yet they felt they were often sidelined.
:22:03. > :22:07.It comes back to the whole thing about relationships. How do we
:22:07. > :22:14.maximise people's involvement in relationships? Make sure that it
:22:14. > :22:24.works? I'll be it they might not be living together.
:22:24. > :22:27.
:22:27. > :22:32.You mentioned the family - nurse partnership.
:22:32. > :22:37.That has been completely funded by the Scottish Government. All the
:22:37. > :22:46.parties have an interest but this administration have really driven
:22:46. > :22:52.the partnership. In Lothian we had the pilot. We absolutely involved
:22:52. > :22:59.the young fathers. It is not about providing clinical careful stock
:22:59. > :23:09.that is done by a midwife. This is about supporting parenting. --
:23:09. > :23:14.
:23:14. > :23:19.clinical care. It will be rolled out elsewhere. We will see success,
:23:19. > :23:29.although it is for a certain group of young ladies who are under 19
:23:29. > :23:34.years of age. What is the key thing in reducing teenage pregnancies?
:23:34. > :23:38.Making sure that what is talked about his health the relationship
:23:38. > :23:41.young people are also not convinced about confidentiality and are
:23:42. > :23:49.worried that any one they talk to will immediately talk to their
:23:49. > :23:53.mothers. And the need to understand about, -- contraception. As a
:23:53. > :23:57.country we have a long way to go when it comes to been honest and
:23:57. > :24:02.talking about sex. How can we expect young people to deal with it
:24:02. > :24:10.when they look at older people who are still embarrassed? Smaller
:24:10. > :24:17.groups, not great big classes. That involves resources. And resources
:24:17. > :24:21.are patchy across Scotland. We need to roll them out more consistently.
:24:21. > :24:31.We will soon discuss the events of next week but let's look back at
:24:31. > :24:35.
:24:35. > :24:39.Both the House of Commons and the House of Lords approved a section
:24:39. > :24:45.30 order. Legal powers will pass to Holyrood to hold the independence
:24:45. > :24:48.referendum. The Labour leader of Glasgow City
:24:48. > :24:53.Council made a public apology after police reported him to the
:24:53. > :24:59.Procurator Fiscal for an alleged indecency with another man. He
:24:59. > :25:05.remains in post. A call has gone out for 1,500
:25:05. > :25:08.volunteers to help out at the Glasgow Commonwealth Games.
:25:08. > :25:18.And Gordon Strachan is settling into life as the new Scotland
:25:18. > :25:22.
:25:22. > :25:29.football manager. I am very proud. My family are proud. My wife, my
:25:29. > :25:39.mother, my grand children, children, friends.
:25:39. > :25:46.
:25:46. > :25:56.And it snowed! I am joined by a trio of political
:25:56. > :26:05.pundits. The Scottish Correspondent from the Guardian, the Spectator,
:26:05. > :26:09.and in Dundee, the Scottish political editor of the Sun. We had
:26:09. > :26:15.a European discussion at the top of the programme. What did you make of
:26:15. > :26:20.the discussion between Nigel Farage and Alyn Smith?
:26:20. > :26:27.Nigel Farage is a good walk on Act but Alyn Smith was much closer to
:26:28. > :26:31.where the debate will be. The UK Independence Party poll only in the
:26:32. > :26:37.tens of thousands at their best. So their position will not have
:26:37. > :26:44.popular support of attraction here. Smith was right, this is more a
:26:44. > :26:51.question of relationships within the European Union. I mentioned the
:26:51. > :26:56.article in the Herald by the Deputy First Minister, quoting Nick Clegg.
:26:56. > :27:01.Talking about the chilling effect that a European exit could mean.
:27:01. > :27:07.Nigel Farage not getting much attraction here.
:27:07. > :27:11.That is certainly the case. Nick Clegg and the nationalists making
:27:11. > :27:17.the same argument. But it is the same argument by Unionists make
:27:17. > :27:25.about Scott and leading the United Kingdom, so a certain irony. --
:27:25. > :27:34.Scotland. There is an assumption that Scotland is a better, more
:27:34. > :27:39.progressive place than to the south. In actual fact, Euro-sceptics are
:27:39. > :27:45.quite widespread in Scotland. But there is a difference in terms of
:27:45. > :27:49.the intensity, compared with parts of the south-east of England. But
:27:49. > :27:54.the European Union is not particularly popular in Scotland,
:27:54. > :28:00.it is just not afforded the same importance in the overall political
:28:00. > :28:07.landscape as it is in the south of England.
:28:07. > :28:15.Do you think there's any Euro- scepticism in Scotland?
:28:15. > :28:22.We heard already by looking at the question, if you wear and already
:28:22. > :28:27.in the union, would you join it now? -- if you were not already.
:28:27. > :28:34.There was a great star mash about the question of legal advice, are
:28:35. > :28:39.we in or out of Europe? Well perhaps we will be out of Europe
:28:39. > :28:49.anyway even if we stayed in the UK. That will all come and to the
:28:49. > :28:52.
:28:53. > :29:01.independence referendum brew. I think one mistake that has been
:29:01. > :29:04.made, strategically, the SNP has either by accident or design
:29:04. > :29:11.allowed their policy to be conflated with what independence
:29:11. > :29:16.might mean for Scotland. Lots of these decisions are matters for the
:29:16. > :29:21.Scottish people if and when we become independent.
:29:21. > :29:25.I want to look at another story in the Scotland on Sunday. An
:29:25. > :29:35.exclusive about and you report, a new blueprint for extending
:29:35. > :29:41.devolution. -- a new report. What do you make of this?
:29:41. > :29:46.This is familiar territory. An organisation already put forward
:29:46. > :29:50.something similar. But this is very much aware of the counter argument
:29:51. > :29:54.to independence will be fully formed. Labour will come quite
:29:54. > :30:01.close to this proposition, the Liberal Democrats are already
:30:01. > :30:05.beyond it. So it is shaping up into a proper debate about the Scottish
:30:05. > :30:09.future, greater revolution or and Alex Salmond version of
:30:09. > :30:13.independence within the European Union.
:30:13. > :30:22.And there is no offer from the pro- union parties as to what might
:30:22. > :30:28.happen in a post referendum Scotland following a yes vote?
:30:28. > :30:33.I take the view, what has taken you so long? I remember writing
:30:33. > :30:40.editorials for the Scotland on Sunday more than a decade ago
:30:40. > :30:44.arguing for extract evolution. It is based on a fundamental right and
:30:44. > :30:48.principle. A parliament with the power to spend but not tax is
:30:48. > :30:53.fundamentally irresponsible and cannot be expected to have the
:30:53. > :31:00.incentives to govern effectively and sensibly. So this is part of a
:31:00. > :31:03.process. The new Scotland Bill will introduce taxation powers of a
:31:03. > :31:10.level that far exceed what has previously been available at
:31:10. > :31:20.Holyrood. Lots of the chattering classes have yet to come to terms
:31:20. > :31:28.with the opportunities. It is a work in progress.
:31:28. > :31:35.Well the other pro-union parties get behind us? The Tories?
:31:35. > :31:40.I have my doubts! I remember Alex Douglas-Home telling us that if we
:31:40. > :31:48.all voted No in the last referendum a better policy would come along in
:31:48. > :31:52.a minute. That did not happen. These parties are saying that they
:31:52. > :31:56.are open to extra day evolution but only after we both know to
:31:56. > :32:04.independence. If they were serious they could bring forward a Bill on
:32:04. > :32:09.Westminster so that we know the alternative to voting no.
:32:09. > :32:13.This is the direction of travel across the whole of the United
:32:13. > :32:19.Kingdom. Wheels are talking about it. Northern Ireland are talking