:00:36. > :00:37.Good morning and welcome to Sunday Politics Scotland.
:00:38. > :00:42.As the EU imposes tough sanctions on Russia, we'll ask what effect it
:00:43. > :00:48.We'll be speaking to the former Liberal Democrat leader,
:00:49. > :00:50.Sir Ming Campbell, about why he supports taking a
:00:51. > :01:01.100 years on from the outbreak of World War One, could such
:01:02. > :01:06.This week, the screws were tightened on Vladimir Putin
:01:07. > :01:11.as sweeping sanctions were imposed on Russia by the EU and the USA.
:01:12. > :01:14.The West has plucked up courage as it seeks a resolution to
:01:15. > :01:19.But you can't get into a fight without taking a hit and British
:01:20. > :01:22.and Scottish companies will feel the effect of export restrictions.
:01:23. > :01:24.Russia could also retaliate in the future, perhaps heaping more
:01:25. > :01:41.Searches continue around the wreckage of MH 17 more than two
:01:42. > :01:47.weeks after it crashed, allegedly struck down by Russian - supported
:01:48. > :02:03.rebels. EU foreign ministers decided Russia had not done enough to stop
:02:04. > :02:10.the supply of arms. The EU is targeting state-owned banks, it has
:02:11. > :02:16.imposed an arms embargo, exports of oral equipment have been curtailed
:02:17. > :02:22.as well. The US also has sanctions on weapons, energy and finance. The
:02:23. > :02:27.decisions made in Brussels will affect key sectors of the Russian
:02:28. > :02:30.economy but these are also key sectors of the British, Scottish
:02:31. > :02:37.economies, so these restrictions will have an impact. David Cameron
:02:38. > :02:45.himself said you can't throw a punch without bruising your first and this
:02:46. > :02:49.has been a dilemma with the EU. These sanctions are intended to hit
:02:50. > :02:54.Russia's economy in certain sensitive areas but you can't do
:02:55. > :03:03.that without also harming your own companies. So companies feeling the
:03:04. > :03:10.pinch. BP has warned its business could suffer. It has a 20% stake in
:03:11. > :03:18.a Russian energy giant. Shell said they would assess the impact. The
:03:19. > :03:23.oil technology sector will be hit by ex-board controls. With the oil
:03:24. > :03:29.industry dominated by transactions in US dollars, British and European
:03:30. > :03:33.banks will be worried whether new regulations. Meanwhile, RBS said on
:03:34. > :03:40.Friday it would reduce their exposure to Russia. That is the
:03:41. > :03:45.situation now. Any future Russian retaliation could throw up new trade
:03:46. > :03:51.barriers. Scottish exports like whiskey could be affected. There are
:03:52. > :03:56.conflicted views on how Putin wants to play this. Stay popular at home
:03:57. > :03:59.and make the west out to be the bogeyman or de-escalate the
:04:00. > :04:01.situation to save the Russian economy. And perhaps even the
:04:02. > :04:05.European economy as well. I'm joined by Sir Menzies Campbell,
:04:06. > :04:20.who's at Murrayfield stadium this This problem of sanctions, do you
:04:21. > :04:24.think that is simply a secondary consideration and they have to just
:04:25. > :04:30.put up and shut up in the interests of the greater good? I wouldn't put
:04:31. > :04:36.it in those terms but you have to ask yourself this question: Can we
:04:37. > :04:43.go on treating Russia as if it is business as usual? The answer, in my
:04:44. > :04:49.view, is most certainly not because Russia has undoubtedly supported the
:04:50. > :04:51.dissidents in eastern Ukraine, they supplied the missiles which brought
:04:52. > :04:57.down the Malaysian airlines aircraft, and since then, Mr Putin
:04:58. > :05:01.has done very little to help in the international investigation of the
:05:02. > :05:46.causes of that crime when he could have brought
:05:47. > :05:48.causes of that crime when he could are affected where as the people who
:05:49. > :05:49.could really have an impact on the Russian economy will have nothing to
:05:50. > :06:45.could really have an impact on the remember before the aircraft was
:06:46. > :06:50.shot down, Mr Putin was sounding rather more considerate sea because
:06:51. > :06:55.of the impact of sanctions on him. There is also evidence that the
:06:56. > :06:59.oligarchs, the people closest to him and who -- whose support he
:07:00. > :07:05.requires, have put pressure on him to alter the nature of his foreign
:07:06. > :07:11.policy. I don't accept the notion that these sanctions will not have
:07:12. > :07:15.an impact. The other thing people might say is, businesses in Britain
:07:16. > :07:20.might suffer from the sanctions but wouldn't it be helpful of existing
:07:21. > :07:27.contracts were cancelled? While people have been asked not to export
:07:28. > :07:33.to Russia, the French are exporting warships to Russia! They have an
:07:34. > :07:37.existing contract and if they didn't fulfil that, the French government
:07:38. > :07:42.would be sued but I think it is perfectly legitimate to say because
:07:43. > :07:49.of the recent behaviour, there is no longer to be any export of military
:07:50. > :07:56.equipment or a dual use equipment because some equipment, if exported,
:07:57. > :07:59.can only be put to legitimate civil use but military use as well. The
:08:00. > :08:06.people got to understand what the impact on the stability in Europe
:08:07. > :08:12.will be if Russia persists in pursuing this aggressive and
:08:13. > :08:16.nationalist policy. The argument the British government is adopting is it
:08:17. > :08:27.is backing Vladimir Putin into a corner. He has effectively been told
:08:28. > :08:35.to give in or put up a fight. There is only one choice you will make. If
:08:36. > :08:41.he insists on putting up a fight, there are consequences of that. This
:08:42. > :08:47.is a man who led the annexation of a large part of a territory of a
:08:48. > :08:51.sovereign nation. The impact of that upon the stability of the European
:08:52. > :08:56.continent is very substantial and if we were having this conversation in
:08:57. > :09:01.Latvia or Estonia or Lithuania, we would have in different terms. I
:09:02. > :09:05.have been to that part of the world recently and there is great anxiety
:09:06. > :09:11.about the extent to which Russia may now begin to exercise pressure on
:09:12. > :09:18.these Baltic states. It has got to be demonstrated that the European
:09:19. > :09:31.Union and United States will resist that we are sending 1300 troops to
:09:32. > :09:34.conduct exercises in the Baltics in order to demonstrate that we have a
:09:35. > :09:37.commitment to this part of the world, not least of course because
:09:38. > :09:44.it is a member of the European Union. The Russians are among the
:09:45. > :09:48.first to make the contrast between the attitude of the west of the
:09:49. > :09:56.situation in eastern Ukraine and Gaza. Philip Hammond said this
:09:57. > :10:01.morning that the situation in Gaza was one of intolerable suffering, he
:10:02. > :10:06.had received thousands of e-mails from British citizen is objecting to
:10:07. > :10:09.what was going on in Gaza, yet compared to these tougher sanctions
:10:10. > :10:14.you are calling for in the case of eastern Ukraine, the British
:10:15. > :10:19.government seems to be doing little other than hang wringing when it
:10:20. > :10:24.comes to Gaza. I and many other people are doing a great deal and
:10:25. > :10:27.indeed Nick Clegg in an article he wrote for the Guardian, doing
:10:28. > :10:39.everything we can to alter the policy of the British government.
:10:40. > :10:45.Hold on. I believe the British government's position has been too
:10:46. > :10:48.literal. Nearly 2000 citizens of Gaza have been killed in
:10:49. > :10:54.circumstances where Israel, which has some of the most sophisticated
:10:55. > :10:58.military equipment, has essentially imposed a collective punishment.
:10:59. > :11:01.That is wrong and that is why I shall do everything in my power to
:11:02. > :11:07.persuade the British government to say it is wrong. When Ed Miliband
:11:08. > :11:12.says that David Cameron and the British government should have
:11:13. > :11:19.imposed in Gaza, you would agree with him? I would agree with a
:11:20. > :11:24.position which Nick Clegg and in the Liberal Democrats have taken up. If
:11:25. > :11:28.Ed Miliband belatedly wants to come along and support that position, I
:11:29. > :11:35.am in favour of that, but you have to remember that a lot of the time,
:11:36. > :11:44.the Labour Party's position is more concerned about next May in the
:11:45. > :11:47.immediate impact of their policy. It is the anniversary tomorrow of the
:11:48. > :11:53.outbreak of the First World War. Many people are making comparisons
:11:54. > :11:59.with the situation now and the situation in August, 1914. It's not
:12:00. > :12:09.just eastern Ukraine. There is Libya, Syria, Iraq, possibly Lebanon
:12:10. > :12:13.now, where it looks as if the West has lost any sense of what it is
:12:14. > :12:24.doing. Do you think we are entering into a situation which is more
:12:25. > :12:38.dangerous than recently? I agree with the last part of your question.
:12:39. > :12:43.There is instability. But you have to ask yourself if the implication
:12:44. > :12:51.of your question is, why are we not doing more, what could we do? It has
:12:52. > :12:56.been suggested we should take military action against Syria. There
:12:57. > :13:00.is a limited amount of military capability in this country and I
:13:01. > :13:06.haven't had many people who are particularly interested in defence
:13:07. > :13:09.matters arguing that in order to maintain defence capability, we
:13:10. > :13:15.should cut expenditure in other areas like health and education.
:13:16. > :13:17.Joining me now from Inverness is energy economist
:13:18. > :13:20.Tony Mackay and Jim Wyllie is a lecturer in International Relations
:13:21. > :13:27.at the University of Aberdeen and is in our studio there.
:13:28. > :13:38.Is it true you were a drinking partner of the Russian prime
:13:39. > :13:45.minister? Are yes, I worked in Moscow the a few years. He and I are
:13:46. > :13:50.old friends. You can give us some insight into how you believe the
:13:51. > :13:57.Russians will react to this new wave of sanctions. Will they back off or
:13:58. > :14:04.will it make them more determined to stick on the course they are on? In
:14:05. > :14:09.the short run, President Putin is determined to stick to his current
:14:10. > :14:16.policies. It will have negative impacts for Scotland. BP is a very
:14:17. > :14:21.important player in the Russian oil industry and has a very good track
:14:22. > :14:25.record of using supplies from Aberdeen and elsewhere in Scotland
:14:26. > :14:30.that has worked with in the North Sea in Russia. There are companies,
:14:31. > :14:36.particularly in the Aberdeen area, that will be affected by these
:14:37. > :14:40.sanctions. Will they be affected in the short term? Presumably, those
:14:41. > :14:51.sorts of things these people are involved in our medium to short-term
:14:52. > :14:57.contracts. You are probably right. Also, the oil industry in Scotland
:14:58. > :15:04.is going through a boom period, both in the North Sea and exports to west
:15:05. > :15:08.Africa and the Caspian Sea. The companies that temporarily lose
:15:09. > :15:12.contracts in the Russian Federation can probably find alternative
:15:13. > :15:20.markets elsewhere. But there are other risks. I saw the other day
:15:21. > :15:24.that Russia has banned imports of Polish apples, a few years ago, it
:15:25. > :15:33.banned Georgian wine. So there are risks to scotch whiskey, salmon and
:15:34. > :15:43.other exports. You think the whole sanctions policy is wrong. Explain
:15:44. > :15:49.why. Sanctions are invariably strategic. It is when politicians
:15:50. > :15:57.want to show the electorate they feel about something but don't know
:15:58. > :16:02.what to do so they have sanctions. Surely you are not suggesting
:16:03. > :16:10.military action? I didn't even hint at it. That would be crazy. What
:16:11. > :16:14.needs to happen is to ask ourselves, what have other people done? They
:16:15. > :16:22.would have called an international conference. This... The great powers
:16:23. > :16:27.would have sat down and recognise the realities on the ground in this
:16:28. > :16:35.particular part of the world. Russia has got huge interest and in terms
:16:36. > :16:42.of capabilities, in terms of resolve, or the balances in
:16:43. > :16:48.Russia's favour. The Ukraine is not part of the EU all NATO but
:16:49. > :16:52.nonetheless, the great powers would have had influence on moderating
:16:53. > :17:04.Russian demands and recognising the realities on the ground. Please let
:17:05. > :17:09.me finish. The point I put two Ming Campbell is, do you believe there is
:17:10. > :17:16.a danger that we in the West put Vladimir Putin in a position where
:17:17. > :17:20.he cannot give in? This is what I was talking about when I said the
:17:21. > :17:26.balance of resolve. The nature of the sanctions were imposing, for
:17:27. > :17:32.example a ban on future military contract but carrying on with the
:17:33. > :17:35.current ones. For example, drawing some spurious distinction between
:17:36. > :17:39.energy development, but somehow we are going to try and control, but
:17:40. > :17:43.current drilling and exploration can go on. This demonstrates that
:17:44. > :17:50.really, at the bottom of it all, we don't quite have the resolve. Now,
:17:51. > :17:57.let's not conflate the issue of the downing of the airliner, that
:17:58. > :18:01.tragedy, with the other issues. That was an incident in the wider
:18:02. > :18:07.strategic problem. That wider problem is how to deal with Russian
:18:08. > :18:15.interests in this part of the world. Economic war at the very time when
:18:16. > :18:18.the Argentina are defaulting and Germany has hurtling towards zero
:18:19. > :18:26.growth, Portugal and Italy are on the verge of another economic
:18:27. > :18:33.crisis, then to go into economic war with Russia is absolute nonsense.
:18:34. > :18:37.Tony Mackay, again from your insight from working with the Russian state,
:18:38. > :18:41.do you agree with that, do you think they would be receptive to an
:18:42. > :18:45.approach that would say let's put to one side the issue of the airliner
:18:46. > :18:50.and have an investigation into it, but let's all get down to sit at a
:18:51. > :18:56.table and try and sort this out? Now, I think it is part of a wider
:18:57. > :19:00.problem. I have been working in Ukraine for the last couple of
:19:01. > :19:04.years. The Russian Federation is very strongly opposed to greater
:19:05. > :19:09.integration between Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, with the
:19:10. > :19:16.European Union. They have been trying everything they can to stop
:19:17. > :19:22.that, including threats about increases in gas prices to Germany
:19:23. > :19:26.and Italy. So, I don't think it is limited to the Ukraine. I certainly
:19:27. > :19:32.think personally that the European Union does have to take a strong
:19:33. > :19:33.stand against these issues. We will have to leave it there. Thank you to
:19:34. > :19:36.both of you for joining us. A series of events to mark
:19:37. > :19:39.the 100th anniversary of the First World War will begin
:19:40. > :19:41.across the country tomorrow. In Glasgow a service of memorial
:19:42. > :19:44.will be held at the city's cathedral, next week more than 8,000
:19:45. > :19:47.people from across Scotland are expected to remember the fallen
:19:48. > :19:49.at a service at Edinburgh Castle. Our reporter looks back at the role
:19:50. > :20:09.Scots played in the Great War. Hello darling, this is the Army. I
:20:10. > :20:18.just have the time to write. PC this war will end all wars. I really hope
:20:19. > :20:22.it will. Scottish troops played a crucial role in the great War,
:20:23. > :20:27.recognisable in their kilts, referred to by some as the ladies
:20:28. > :20:34.from hell, they played significant parts in the Battle of Loos, the
:20:35. > :20:39.Somme, Paris and Cambrai. 100,000 Scottish soldiers lost their lives.
:20:40. > :20:45.Glasgow alone left 18,000 men -- lost. Many rural communities were
:20:46. > :20:53.changed profoundly. Scotland lost more of its trips in the conflict
:20:54. > :20:58.than in any other country in relative terms. It had industrial
:20:59. > :21:02.forces behind it. It was the first time nations could use railways,
:21:03. > :21:09.modern rifles and explosives. That industrial power forced up the death
:21:10. > :21:15.toll. In the aftermath, the league of Nations was designed to avoid a
:21:16. > :21:19.repeat of such large-scale loss, by favouring mutual disarmament and
:21:20. > :21:21.settling disputes through negotiation and arbitration. But the
:21:22. > :21:29.contradiction between collective security and states' national
:21:30. > :21:35.interests was clear. Arguably, 100 years on, national interest is still
:21:36. > :21:36.paramount. But what has changed is the way European politicians pursue
:21:37. > :21:38.those interests. I am joined in the studio by
:21:39. > :21:41.Peter Jackson who's Chair in Global Security studies at
:21:42. > :21:52.Glasgow University. Let me perhaps get things the wrong
:21:53. > :21:57.way round and start asking you about the present before I ask you about
:21:58. > :22:05.the past. There is a theme in this programme. Sanctions in Ukraine
:22:06. > :22:10.which we have spoken about. Niall Ferguson in The Financial Times was
:22:11. > :22:15.seeing the situation in eastern Ukraine could be a parallel to what
:22:16. > :22:20.happened in 1914 in the sense that a whole lot of things came together,
:22:21. > :22:25.no one was really aware of what -- were war was going to break out at
:22:26. > :22:31.the time, and suddenly warm was going on which nobody actually
:22:32. > :22:33.wanted. Is there a parallel? I think there are some interesting
:22:34. > :22:38.parallels, but I don't think we should be pushed too far. Niall
:22:39. > :22:47.Ferguson tends to parallels too far as a matter of habit. I suppose the
:22:48. > :22:52.big parallel would be the role of Serbia in 1914 and the role of the
:22:53. > :22:56.Ukraine, especially the separatist elements in eastern Ukraine, today.
:22:57. > :23:01.In other words, there was a frontier region which was considered vital to
:23:02. > :23:08.the security of a much larger rate power, Russia in 2014, Austria
:23:09. > :23:13.Hungary in 1914. And was external involvement in the form of Western
:23:14. > :23:19.support for Ukraine and their democratic processes to the extent
:23:20. > :23:25.that they exist, versus Russian support for Serbia in 1914 which was
:23:26. > :23:30.considered a direct threat to the security of the Austro-Hungarian
:23:31. > :23:33.Empire. Eastern Ukraine is not the only parallel which has been made.
:23:34. > :23:41.Last year, the Economist magazine was seeing there could be an August
:23:42. > :23:48.1914 situation, but it was pointing to East Asia and to the Americans
:23:49. > :23:56.and the tensions over the islands between Japan and China. Are these
:23:57. > :24:02.real parallels, or are we just too fond of making parallels? I am of
:24:03. > :24:07.the opinion that history doesn't tend to repeat itself. All you can
:24:08. > :24:15.draw parallels, every political situation is different. The
:24:16. > :24:21.situation in East Asia just now is very different to the Balkans in
:24:22. > :24:26.1914. A lot of little things can happen, and while politicians and
:24:27. > :24:31.diplomats like to talk to us, and sometimes historians, in terms of
:24:32. > :24:37.grand strategy, as if all these things are planned out in the agents
:24:38. > :24:41.of histamine or what they are doing, obviously the First World War
:24:42. > :24:49.crept up on them. Who could have said that ISIS would take over
:24:50. > :24:57.sections of Iraq in silly? I can not agree more. It is one lesson is that
:24:58. > :25:02.historians and policymakers should learn from the past. The medium and
:25:03. > :25:07.long-term consequences of decisions made today are always to a certain
:25:08. > :25:11.extent imponderable. It is important to reflect carefully on how things
:25:12. > :25:22.might go wrong. It is in that sense I think that if we learn any lessons
:25:23. > :25:25.from 1914, I would think that decisions to adopt a more
:25:26. > :25:30.confrontational policy to escalate tensions can actually lead to
:25:31. > :25:35.unforeseen consequences in conflict. I don't think that is going to
:25:36. > :25:42.happen in 2014 over the Ukraine, or at least in the short or medium term
:25:43. > :25:49.in the Pacific region. Let's go to the past. There was almost an
:25:50. > :25:52.orthodoxy for a long time that the great War, unlike the Second World
:25:53. > :25:59.War, neither side was particularly more right than the others. They
:26:00. > :26:03.were a bunch of generals sending hundreds of innocent working people
:26:04. > :26:09.to the slaughter. Is that still the dominant view? That was the dominant
:26:10. > :26:13.view for a very long time. The origins of the First World War are
:26:14. > :26:20.very different from the origins of the Second World War. In the 1960s,
:26:21. > :26:25.however, a historian came up with a new argument that one could actually
:26:26. > :26:32.trace continuity between Germany's aims in the First World War, which
:26:33. > :26:38.were to build an empire in central Europe and Eastern European Russia,
:26:39. > :26:46.and those of the long-term goals of Nazi foreign policy in 1939. From
:26:47. > :26:51.the early 1960s until the 1990s, historians debated over the merits
:26:52. > :26:57.of that thesis, but most have argued that Germany did behave more
:26:58. > :27:02.recklessly than the other powers in 1914, mainly because it considered
:27:03. > :27:06.the long-term trajectories of the balance of power to be working
:27:07. > :27:11.against it. The other thing would be the outcome of the First World War.
:27:12. > :27:15.One of the things this seems to be consensus on is that the Allies'
:27:16. > :27:19.punitive attitude to Germany at least helped to pave the way for the
:27:20. > :27:26.Second World War, perhaps a lesson we should learn from regarding
:27:27. > :27:30.current circumstances? I agree with your line of argument. It is
:27:31. > :27:37.important not to back the current Russian government into a corner. In
:27:38. > :27:42.that sense, I am in agreement with some of the commentators we heard
:27:43. > :27:47.from a few moments ago. However, I don't think that the parallels with
:27:48. > :27:53.the Paris peace conference, the Treaty of Versailles, are all that
:27:54. > :27:57.relevant. Most historians nowadays consider that the Treaty of
:27:58. > :28:02.Versailles was far less punitive than it was characterised to have
:28:03. > :28:04.been after 1919. On that intriguing thought, we will have to leave it
:28:05. > :28:08.there. Thank you. Let's cross now
:28:09. > :28:13.for the news with Andrew Kerr. The defence contractor Babcock
:28:14. > :28:17.has warned independence could But the Scottish government insists
:28:18. > :28:23.a yes vote will protect jobs Babcock has repeatedly raised
:28:24. > :28:31.concerns about They claim it is unlikely all
:28:32. > :28:45.existing naval support staff The centre of Glasgow has been
:28:46. > :28:53.closed for the cycling road race. The men's event started
:28:54. > :28:54.a short time ago. England's Lizzie Armistead went one
:28:55. > :28:57.better than four years ago in New Dehli as she claimed gold
:28:58. > :29:00.in the women's event. Crowds have been gathering to cheer
:29:01. > :29:02.on the cyclists as they take on some of
:29:03. > :29:09.the city's remarkably steep hills. And the Commonwealth Games will draw
:29:10. > :29:13.to a close tonight at Hampden. Organisers say it will be just
:29:14. > :30:55.as Glaswegian as the opening Organisers say it will be just
:30:56. > :30:58.are clear. I have access to a marketplace of 65 million customers.
:30:59. > :31:03.I work with the same tax system and don't have to deal with currency
:31:04. > :31:06.exchange rates. All of this is critical to the success of
:31:07. > :31:12.businesses in the UK. From a branding perspective, I have the
:31:13. > :31:15.flexibility of being able to advertise myself as either a
:31:16. > :31:21.Scottish company or a British company. That is hugely important in
:31:22. > :31:28.the food and drinks industry. 600,000 Scottish jobs are dependent
:31:29. > :31:33.on UK-based companies. Independence puts all of the Scottish jobs at
:31:34. > :31:38.risk. I believe we need to do more to ensure that the affordability of
:31:39. > :31:42.childcare and we need to do more to ensure equal pay for women. We need
:31:43. > :31:47.to do more to get women into the boardroom and into business. We need
:31:48. > :31:50.to do more to get women into our Parliament and civil service. But we
:31:51. > :31:54.don't need to take the rest of independence to achieve this. Have
:31:55. > :32:02.all the powers necessary to do that today. As a mother, I am concerned
:32:03. > :32:05.about my children's future. Independence is an irreversible
:32:06. > :32:09.decision. I want my children to grow up in a country that is
:32:10. > :32:13.forward-looking, not inward looking and insular. I believe they can and
:32:14. > :32:17.do have the best of both worlds. We need to retain the strength and
:32:18. > :32:21.security of the UK, while bringing in more powers for Scotland.
:32:22. > :32:24.Ruth McKay there, and next week we will have our next guest to explain
:32:25. > :32:34.Now it is time to have a look at what is coming up in the week ahead.
:32:35. > :32:36.I'm joined by David Clegg, who's political editor at the
:32:37. > :32:39.Daily Record, and Isobel Lindsay, vice chair of Scottish CND and
:32:40. > :32:57.Let's start with what we have been talking about. Do you feel worried?
:32:58. > :33:05.It has been very unsettling in the last few months. We have gone from
:33:06. > :33:11.one situation to the other. You can't help but watch the scenes in
:33:12. > :33:14.Gaza and feel distraught. The situation in Ukraine is extremely
:33:15. > :33:22.worrying because we thought the Cold War had been resolved. Now it
:33:23. > :33:26.appears we are heading back to a situation where these are issues we
:33:27. > :33:31.have to consider again. I am not lying awake at night but it is
:33:32. > :33:36.something that is troubling and concerning. It is not just those
:33:37. > :33:42.areas, though. Who could have guessed a few months ago that a
:33:43. > :33:53.caliphate would be declared in parts of Syria and Iraq? Look at Libya as
:33:54. > :33:56.well. Indeed. And you wonder what our security services have been
:33:57. > :34:03.doing with the massive amount of resources that they have. But it
:34:04. > :34:09.does suggest that it is not desirable that Scotland is here,
:34:10. > :34:16.with 200 nuclear weapons sitting 25 miles up the road from us. It is an
:34:17. > :34:23.illustration about why we should look at serious disarmament. Part of
:34:24. > :34:29.the problem here is also there is a lot of hypocrisy on our side because
:34:30. > :34:39.you look at the situation of all these crises. Where are the calls
:34:40. > :34:41.for sanctions against Israel? We are still selling them military
:34:42. > :34:52.equipment that has been used in Gaza. The last point has a lot of
:34:53. > :34:57.validity. Very little being done about what is going on with Israel.
:34:58. > :35:03.That is a charge that is very difficult to defend. Before we get
:35:04. > :35:11.too serious, Commonwealth Games, enjoyed it? It has been fantastic.
:35:12. > :35:16.It has been a wonderful event. The atmosphere in Glasgow has been
:35:17. > :35:27.superb and the medal in the Scotland has exceeded expectations. You are
:35:28. > :35:30.not a Usain Bolt fan? I have no taste for jamborees and sport but I
:35:31. > :35:34.like to see people enjoying themselves so in that sense, it has
:35:35. > :35:40.been great. There has been an interesting metaphor there. We have
:35:41. > :35:47.had quite a lot of athletes that have taken part, doing very well.
:35:48. > :35:59.They would never have got a chance if it had just been Team GB. Because
:36:00. > :36:10.you have had these wider teams... It is on the front page of the
:36:11. > :36:16.Observer. Subtle, isn't it? I am not sure what Nicola Sturgeon said
:36:17. > :36:21.exactly that! I don't think this is a huge player but I don't think it's
:36:22. > :36:28.unhelpful if things are done well. I do remember 1979 and I do remember
:36:29. > :36:32.things like Argentina were no help in terms of the feeling of
:36:33. > :36:41.depression in Scotland about our ability to do things well. Do you
:36:42. > :36:43.think the success of the Commonwealth Games has any relevance
:36:44. > :36:50.to the independence debate? Absolutely not. That story has been
:36:51. > :36:57.stretched to the max to get the headline. However, anyone saying
:36:58. > :37:03.that is talking nonsense because politics is politics and sport
:37:04. > :37:05.sport. Scotland has enjoyed the Commonwealth Games immensely but no
:37:06. > :37:11.one will think about that when they cast a vote. Let's look at some of
:37:12. > :37:21.the other papers. On Tuesday, the debate between Alex Salmond and
:37:22. > :37:26.Alistair Darling is coming up. Who do you think will win and what is
:37:27. > :37:31.win mean and does it matter? It matters more than the Commonwealth
:37:32. > :37:38.Games, certainly. We have had a nice breather period and what the debate
:37:39. > :37:41.on Tuesday is going to do will kick-start the fight. We will have
:37:42. > :37:46.six weeks of real campaigning. As far as who will win, I would expect
:37:47. > :37:52.Alex Salmond to come off better overall but the problem he has is
:37:53. > :37:58.that the general expectation from everyone is he will make mincemeat
:37:59. > :38:06.of Alistair Darling. Even though a win a win because expectations are
:38:07. > :38:13.so high. Or Alistair Darling needs do is defend. How are you feeling
:38:14. > :38:21.about this? While there have been instances of debates that have made
:38:22. > :38:35.a difference, one of the Balmer once set his campaign back -- one of the
:38:36. > :38:40.Barack Obama ones. Debates like this are very important. The reason is
:38:41. > :38:47.sitting next to me. Sorry, David, you are not too bad, but print media
:38:48. > :38:56.is so heavily weighted towards the no campaign and because of that,
:38:57. > :39:01.broadcasting is different. Broadcasting has to have some equity
:39:02. > :39:09.in presentation. There just has to be fair broadcasting debates. That
:39:10. > :39:11.is why the debates are very important.
:39:12. > :39:19.Scotland's Golden Games at 6.05pm on BBC One Scotland.
:39:20. > :39:22.Jackie Bird is joined by reporters and guests across Glasgow as
:39:23. > :39:25.the city prepares for the closing ceremony of the Commonwealth Games.
:39:26. > :40:34.and finding the remains of Sunday's chicken.
:40:35. > :40:39.In my book, leftovers should be a joy, not a chore.