:00:37. > :00:38.Good morning and welcome to Sunday Politics Scotland.
:00:39. > :00:44.The Chancellor, George Osborne, says the UK parties will shortly
:00:45. > :00:48.announce a new package of powers for the Scottish Parliament to be
:00:49. > :00:51.implemented if there is a "No" vote in the referendum.
:00:52. > :00:54.It follows the publication of opinion polls showing
:00:55. > :01:01.As Glasgow's Hydro plays host to a debate for young voters on Thursday,
:01:02. > :01:09.three young members of Generation 2014 tell us what they think.
:01:10. > :01:12.Well, this is a morning in which the cat is truly out stalking
:01:13. > :01:17.Within the last couple of hours, the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
:01:18. > :01:20.George Osborne, has announced that a new package of fiscal powers
:01:21. > :01:24.for Scotland has been agreed by the Westminster parties and will be
:01:25. > :01:27.unveiled - together with a timetable for its implementation -
:01:28. > :01:34.His announcement comes as the political world is in uproar after
:01:35. > :01:37.an opinion poll showed the "Yes" campaign in the referendum with
:01:38. > :01:43.The "Yes" campaign is in a state of seventh heaven.
:01:44. > :01:45.The Better Together campaign is scrabbling frantically for something
:01:46. > :01:50.We'll be talking to the Scottish Secretary, Alistair Carmichael, and
:01:51. > :01:57.The poll which is causing all the fuss - by YouGov for
:01:58. > :02:01.The Sunday Times - indicates that a narrow majority of Scottish voters
:02:02. > :02:09.Excluding undecided voters, it puts support for independence
:02:10. > :02:15.Another poll published today by Panelbase for the Yes Scotland
:02:16. > :02:17.campaign gives a "no" vote a narrow lead.
:02:18. > :02:21.Joining me now is Jason Allardyce, the Scottish political editor
:02:22. > :02:37.It has the potential to rock Britain, doesn't it? Now they are
:02:38. > :02:43.two points ahead and we are seeing panic measured being desperately
:02:44. > :02:49.dreamt up by Unionists to see if there is any way to turn this round.
:02:50. > :02:56.As a political journalist, with your nose to the ground, what is your
:02:57. > :03:02.sense? Is it that Better Together are panicking?
:03:03. > :03:07.Yes because I think the campaign director has taken a lot of comfort
:03:08. > :03:13.that although some have pointed to a momentum towards independence,
:03:14. > :03:21.YouGov is the opinion poll company he has tried to calm the trips with
:03:22. > :03:27.Andy Shill -- still shows a lead for Better Together. So with this result
:03:28. > :03:37.today it has taken the sales out of the Better Together campaign.
:03:38. > :03:42.But it is just one poll. It is within the margin of error so as
:03:43. > :03:46.they themselves say, it shows a statistical dead heat. Apart from
:03:47. > :03:52.that, there are if you are other questions about the poll, aren't
:03:53. > :03:59.they? YouGov have had eight cap of 22 points about a month ago. So that
:04:00. > :04:06.would be a swing of something like 25 points towards "yes". A swing
:04:07. > :04:13.which does not have been picked up why any other pollsters. They
:04:14. > :04:18.show... That is a seismic change. Can we really be confident it is
:04:19. > :04:21.actually telling us what is happening out on the streets of
:04:22. > :04:28.Scotland or is it telling us more about YouGov's methodology?
:04:29. > :04:32.It isn't an exact science and there have been previous issues in other
:04:33. > :04:41.elections with poles being far right. They have tried very hard to
:04:42. > :04:46.analyse the data over the past week or so to make sure it is an accurate
:04:47. > :04:52.measure. He looked back to make sure these are people whose clearly
:04:53. > :04:58.indicated another preference months ago. There seems to be a shift. They
:04:59. > :05:08.have gone back to check what people were saying. They said people said
:05:09. > :05:11.months ago... Be important thing isn't so much their headline voting
:05:12. > :05:17.intention figure but if you drill down into it to what people are
:05:18. > :05:21.thinking about currency, the economy would be better or worse off,
:05:22. > :05:28.whether they think we should be out of Europe. And something that we
:05:29. > :05:33.should -- else we should mention is gender because there seems to be
:05:34. > :05:39.evidence that, interestingly, although the panel piece for the
:05:40. > :05:45."Yes" campaign seems to show they are behind but William -- women seem
:05:46. > :05:54.to be willing to vote for them. Yes and there is a survey of a
:05:55. > :06:02.thousand women in Scotland. It is not scientific, just a snapshot of
:06:03. > :06:11.opinion amongst months net members but that shows in favour of
:06:12. > :06:18.independence to. Dash-mac a social website for mums.
:06:19. > :06:30.Do you think there is something dramatic is enough at this late
:06:31. > :06:35.stage? I suppose the change towards the temp one campaign has been
:06:36. > :06:41.pretty sudden. If we are going towards something approaching Devo
:06:42. > :06:45.Max is seems to be the right time. We've had three years to prepare for
:06:46. > :06:56.this. The poll today shows that David Cameron has a trust rating of
:06:57. > :07:01.-50. So there is an issue of whether people believe that these things can
:07:02. > :07:08.be delivered. Another significant thing in today's poll is that, for
:07:09. > :07:10.the first time, I believe, more are indicating support for independence
:07:11. > :07:13.than more powers so maybe that should be pursued.
:07:14. > :07:18.Thank you. I'm joined now by the Secretary of
:07:19. > :07:23.State for Scotland, Alistair Carmichael, who is in our Orkney
:07:24. > :07:27.studio. A couple of hours ago, George Osborne said a new plan of
:07:28. > :07:32.action would be announced in the next few days and the three main
:07:33. > :07:37.political parties at Westminster have agreed specific measures to be
:07:38. > :07:39.implemented. There will be eight timetable for implementing them
:07:40. > :07:48.which will take effect the minute there is a "no" vote. What is new?
:07:49. > :07:53.This is something I've been speaking about for some time. You will recall
:07:54. > :07:59.I made a speech in June making it clear that once there was a "no"
:08:00. > :08:05.vote then we would convene a conference for Scotland. He didn't
:08:06. > :08:11.mention that. He was talking about a plan of action. You will get to the
:08:12. > :08:17.announcement when it comes and I will not give it to you here and
:08:18. > :08:21.now, but I still believe that the consensus in Scotland, which is a
:08:22. > :08:25.unifying consensus, is one that wants to see a Scottish parliament
:08:26. > :08:30.with more powers but still within the United Kingdom. Remember, we've
:08:31. > :08:34.already delivered more powers and they are still to come on stream. As
:08:35. > :08:41.of next year, there will be powers for income tax, Stamp duty land tax
:08:42. > :08:43.and borrowing powers and they are difficult which have been already
:08:44. > :08:49.guaranteed. They are being implemented.
:08:50. > :08:52.There is some confusion here. George Osborne didn't mention that there
:08:53. > :08:58.will be a conference if there is a no vote. He said they've had talks
:08:59. > :09:04.with the Lib Dems and Labour and we've agreed a plan of action for
:09:05. > :09:10.more and new powers over the welfare state, over the economy and over
:09:11. > :09:12.taxation and we've agreed a timetable to start implementing
:09:13. > :09:17.them. You seem to be saying something different, that there will
:09:18. > :09:21.be a conference to discuss all these things falls.
:09:22. > :09:25.No, what I'm saying is, as has always been the case, there has to
:09:26. > :09:31.be a process that involves other people apart from the political
:09:32. > :09:35.parties. I will not give the exclusive of what you will hear
:09:36. > :09:42.later in the week, but it is clear that there is a growing willingness
:09:43. > :09:45.and there always has been, to deliver more powers because that is
:09:46. > :09:51.where the consensus lies. It is quite clear from all the opinion
:09:52. > :09:56.polls is that the question of independence is one which is
:09:57. > :09:59.dividing Scotland very much. If you want to build a consensus that we
:10:00. > :10:05.can all move behind and I would hope this will involve the Scottish
:10:06. > :10:10.Nationalists ultimate beat, the way in which you will build consensus is
:10:11. > :10:14.around more powers. That only becomes relevant if we get a no
:10:15. > :10:19.vote. What we need to be talking about is what would be the reality
:10:20. > :10:23.of an independent Scotland. Nationalists keep talking about this
:10:24. > :10:28.as some great movement and moment but it is no such thing. It is an
:10:29. > :10:34.irreversible decision. I am still confused. You seem to be saying
:10:35. > :10:40.coming different from the Chancellor of the Exchequer. No, I have already
:10:41. > :10:48.said I completely agree. Let me make a simple point, if you have agreed,
:10:49. > :10:51.as Labour, the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, new proposals, given
:10:52. > :10:56.the Scottish Conservatives are proposing to devolve all powers over
:10:57. > :11:00.income tax and Scottish and Labour are not proposing that, what have
:11:01. > :11:06.you agreed to do? That is where you keep inviting me
:11:07. > :11:14.to give you the exclusive. But it is getting the -- a bit late for the
:11:15. > :11:18.usual evasive answers, isn't it? With respect both ways here, this
:11:19. > :11:25.will be made clear in a few days. I know you would love to have it now
:11:26. > :11:31.but I cannot give it to you now. But, if they're now an agreement
:11:32. > :11:35.amongst Labour, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems on precisely what
:11:36. > :11:40.powers over income tax will be devolved to the Scottish
:11:41. > :11:46.Parliament? Just tell me that there is a deal.
:11:47. > :11:53.Now you are asking me instead of telling you about the packaged...
:11:54. > :12:01.No, I'm not. I won't fall for it. But it's not a try. Tell me if there
:12:02. > :12:05.is an agreement. Labour want to be hearing, not just about the RSS and
:12:06. > :12:12.the polls and the rest of it, they will one to hear about the issues
:12:13. > :12:18.and what it will mean for them... Tell me if there is an agreement.
:12:19. > :12:24.What it will mean for them to have a ?6 billion deficit in Scotland and
:12:25. > :12:27.its spending powers. You don't have to tell me what the agreement is but
:12:28. > :12:33.just tell me if there is an agreement. Gordon, I don't see
:12:34. > :12:36.what's so difficult here. You've already got the Chancellor 's words
:12:37. > :12:42.on what has been agreed. You will get the detail in a few days time.
:12:43. > :12:46.If I were Alex Salmond, and far be it for me to put words in his mouth
:12:47. > :12:53.and he will appear shortly, I think you would say we only hear about
:12:54. > :13:03.this sort of stuff when the "Yes" campaign is winning. The truth is
:13:04. > :13:06.that my party has been outlining proposals for 18 months and the
:13:07. > :13:12.Conservatives have had their proposals out for six months. We
:13:13. > :13:17.have all been working on this. There is a large amount of consensus but
:13:18. > :13:21.it only becomes relevant if we decide to remain part of the United
:13:22. > :13:26.Kingdom. A United Kingdom that has delivered a great deal that is good
:13:27. > :13:30.in Scotland and which offers as a single jobs market across the whole
:13:31. > :13:33.of the UK, a leader on the world stage and you don't walk away from
:13:34. > :13:39.that lightly. A couple of weeks ago you offered to
:13:40. > :13:44.join Team Scotland if there is a yes vote. Given the way the polls are
:13:45. > :13:49.going, shall I get Alex Salmond to give you a ring later? He has my
:13:50. > :13:55.number and I take a call from him any time he once. I think it is
:13:56. > :13:59.quite legitimate to ask him as well. We are talking seriously about more
:14:00. > :14:07.powers. In the past, they've always walked away from that. If there is a
:14:08. > :14:12."no" votes, will they do as they've always done in in the past and walk
:14:13. > :14:16.away from the difficult process of building consensus will they come to
:14:17. > :14:19.the and talk and I think some -- that is something people would be
:14:20. > :14:27.interested in listening to. Listening in the first -- in our
:14:28. > :14:31.Inverness studio is the First Minister. What do you make of all
:14:32. > :14:35.these promises that George Osborne and... I'm not sure Alistair
:14:36. > :14:41.Carmichael is saying the same thing but he says he is. Alistair Darling
:14:42. > :14:45.couldn't name one single job-creating power that was going to
:14:46. > :14:51.come to the Scottish parliament if we made the mistake of voting "no".
:14:52. > :14:55.Now we are expected to believe that, secret leak, after hundreds of
:14:56. > :14:59.thousands of people have already voted, there is a radical new deal
:15:00. > :15:05.on the constitution agreed by the Westminster parties. There is one in
:15:06. > :15:09.the Constitution and its called independence. Are you saying you
:15:10. > :15:14.don't believe they'll come up with anything? What we believe is that
:15:15. > :15:19.they are not serious. This is a panicky, last-minute measure because
:15:20. > :15:24.the "Yes" campaign is winning on the ground. Evidence is overwhelming.
:15:25. > :15:32.Not just that Alistair Darling couldn't mention a single power last
:15:33. > :15:41.meet .Mac week, but -- last week but he wasn't willing to confirm. Having
:15:42. > :15:46.failed to scare the Scottish people, they next one to try to bribe is --
:15:47. > :15:51.bribe us but they have no credibility left. We, as a
:15:52. > :15:57.community, can secure independence a week on Thursday.
:15:58. > :16:03.As a politician you would say to me, and you have said to me many times,
:16:04. > :16:07.what would happen in the event of a no vote, you look on the bright
:16:08. > :16:11.side, but you what also the First Minister of Scotland so you must
:16:12. > :16:16.entertain the possibility that there might be a no vote and in that case,
:16:17. > :16:20.if they do put together a package of new powers, aren't you as the
:16:21. > :16:27.Scottish government going to be saying, couldn't we be involved in
:16:28. > :16:30.this? In these circumstances, the Scottish Parliament has two vote on
:16:31. > :16:35.that. That's the situation as it stands and I've made it clear that I
:16:36. > :16:40.will work for Scotland and greater powers for Scotland under all
:16:41. > :16:43.circumstances. But you are right to say, particularly now as the
:16:44. > :16:48.campaign moves towards its climax and hundreds of thousands have
:16:49. > :16:53.already voted, things on the ground and in the communities in Scotland
:16:54. > :16:58.are moving firmly in the US direction. -- yes direction. It is
:16:59. > :17:02.because of the lack of confidence in the Westminster elite. I negotiated
:17:03. > :17:06.with George Osborne and David Cameron two years ago to get this
:17:07. > :17:12.referendum. At that stage, they weren't even prepared to allow Devo
:17:13. > :17:16.Max to go on the ballot paper. Now we're expected to believe that if
:17:17. > :17:19.they get a no vote, the day after that they are going to introduce
:17:20. > :17:25.what they weren't even prepared to allow on the ballot paper two years
:17:26. > :17:28.ago. That's why these people have no credibility left and that's why I
:17:29. > :17:32.believe people will vote to take matters into our hands a week on
:17:33. > :17:37.Thursday by voting yes. You've mentioned the postal votes a couple
:17:38. > :17:43.of times. Are you suggesting there is something democratically in
:17:44. > :17:48.proper about the British Government coming up with new proposals after
:17:49. > :17:52.the voting has already taken place? I suggesting it shows the chaos and
:17:53. > :17:58.confusion and total disintegration of the no campaign because if you
:17:59. > :18:02.were serious about something and wanted to do something for Scotland,
:18:03. > :18:07.you would announce it before people voted as opposed after many people
:18:08. > :18:11.have voted. This is a reaction to the movement on the ground and
:18:12. > :18:18.particularly to the first opinion poll to show yes in the lead. It is
:18:19. > :18:25.overwhelming. We don't have to go back to 1979 but it was the case
:18:26. > :18:30.then that Alex Douglas Hume said that if you only trust the
:18:31. > :18:35.Conservatives, they would introduce a better Scottish Parliament and
:18:36. > :18:40.what we got was 18 years of Tory rule and Margaret Thatcher's
:18:41. > :18:43.deindustrialisation of Scotland. Sir Alec Douglas who was a lot more
:18:44. > :18:49.trustworthy than George Osborne will ever be. I presume we don't even
:18:50. > :18:55.have to ask you how elated you buy this opinion poll. Are you still the
:18:56. > :18:57.underdog? Yes, we've been the underdog throughout this campaign
:18:58. > :19:02.and are fighting through that position. How can you be the
:19:03. > :19:06.underdog when you are head in the polls? It is one pole and we haven't
:19:07. > :19:11.relied on opinion polls throughout the campaign and we going to start
:19:12. > :19:16.now. We are relying on persuading our fellow citizens that a radical
:19:17. > :19:24.new constitutional deal is available to us by taking Scotland's future
:19:25. > :19:27.into Scotland's hands. We have many more conversations and converts to
:19:28. > :19:31.make. It is that positive message that is winning is this campaign and
:19:32. > :19:35.that's why we'll continue to fight and campaign from that position. One
:19:36. > :19:40.of the other things George Osborne said this morning - and he was very
:19:41. > :19:44.emphatic - is that there would be no currency union if Scotland votes to
:19:45. > :19:47.become independent. I know you think he's bluffing but particularly,
:19:48. > :19:56.perhaps, if the polls are now moving in your direction, don't you have to
:19:57. > :20:00.rethink a strategy of an currency when you're asking the Scottish
:20:01. > :20:02.people to take it on trust from you that the Prime Minister, the
:20:03. > :20:07.Chancellor of the Exchequer, the leaders of the labour and Lib Dem
:20:08. > :20:11.parties, are all lying? Your word not mine but surely the development
:20:12. > :20:15.this morning rather reinforces the bluffing position. Clearly they've
:20:16. > :20:20.been bluffing this far on the constitution, the same way they only
:20:21. > :20:24.said a few weeks ago that these three separate parties had three
:20:25. > :20:28.separate proposals, weekend and said that though they were, and we're now
:20:29. > :20:31.told that as a bluff and they have a different set of proposals which
:20:32. > :20:35.will be announced later this week. I put it to the view is that if they
:20:36. > :20:38.were prepared to bluff on the central issue of powers for the
:20:39. > :20:41.Scottish Parliament, the same parties and people are able to bluff
:20:42. > :20:46.on the currency. Their problem is that that bluff has been called
:20:47. > :20:51.overwhelmingly by the Scottish people. But if you want to be the
:20:52. > :20:55.government of an independent country, it's time you started
:20:56. > :20:58.acting like one. Just on practical measures, if you have to set up a
:20:59. > :21:01.central bank, it isn't going to come out of thin air. Surely you are
:21:02. > :21:07.going to have to start planning right now to but the architecture in
:21:08. > :21:11.place for whatever one of your plan Bs you want to have to implement
:21:12. > :21:17.should there not be a currency union, and demonstrate that you are
:21:18. > :21:21.serious. At architecture is in the fiscal commission's report,
:21:22. > :21:25.including the setting up of... That's a report. You need to
:21:26. > :21:29.actually set the thing up. It's also in the White Paper. You're asking
:21:30. > :21:37.about architecture and I'm saying we've laid out the architecture, for
:21:38. > :21:41.a conduct authority. We have the plans in place and these are what
:21:42. > :21:45.we've laid out the Scottish people and unlike the no campaign
:21:46. > :21:48.spiralling into self-destruction, we don't have to cobble something
:21:49. > :21:52.together in the last few days because we've thought through that
:21:53. > :21:59.and we've presented a positive case for Scotland's future in Scottish
:22:00. > :22:04.hands. Thank you for joining us. Let's cross now for the news.
:22:05. > :22:09.The Chancellor has confirmed the UK Government is to set out plans in
:22:10. > :22:11.the next few days to give Scotland further powers, in the event
:22:12. > :22:18.Speaking to the BBC's Andrew Marr, George Osborne said
:22:19. > :22:26.the plans were being agreed by all three major parties in Westminster.
:22:27. > :22:34.You will see in the next few days a plan of action to give more powers
:22:35. > :22:38.to Scotland, more tax powers, more spending powers, more plans powers
:22:39. > :22:45.the welfare state, and that will be put into effect - timetable for
:22:46. > :22:50.delivering that will be put into effect - the moment there is a no
:22:51. > :22:53.vote in the referendum. But the Deputy First Minister Nicola
:22:54. > :22:56.Sturgeon said it was too late in the campaign for new measures to be
:22:57. > :23:00.announced. There is no option of more powers short of independence on
:23:01. > :23:03.the ballot paper. There is no guarantee whatsoever that of
:23:04. > :23:06.Scotland votes no we will get a single additional power for the
:23:07. > :23:10.Scottish Parliament. If people want the powers we need to protect our
:23:11. > :23:15.public services, but at the health services, ensure we can create jobs
:23:16. > :23:17.and grow our economy, the only way to get that is to vote for the
:23:18. > :23:19.powers that a yes vote will deliver. Meanwhile, two polls released today
:23:20. > :23:22.suggest the difference between the campaigns is narrowing, with one,
:23:23. > :23:24.by YouGov, giving the "yes" vote The other shows a small majority in
:23:25. > :23:33.favour of remaining part of the UK. Some
:23:34. > :23:34.of Royal Mail's busiest delivery offices will open today, allowing
:23:35. > :23:37.customers to collect parcels Delivery offices in Edinburgh,
:23:38. > :23:43.Glasgow and Inverness are included It's just one of the changes being
:23:44. > :23:48.made in an attempt to make Scotland kick off their campaign
:23:49. > :23:55.to qualify for the 2016 European They're in Dortmund to take
:23:56. > :24:02.on the world champions, Germany. Darren Fletcher will captain
:24:03. > :24:15.the Scots for the first time Now here is Gillian for a look at
:24:16. > :24:19.the weather. A nice afternoon for most of us as
:24:20. > :24:23.high pressure dominates but we've got a weather front still plaguing
:24:24. > :24:29.the north-east, which will continue to bring persistent and, at times,
:24:30. > :24:32.heavy rain to the Northern Isles. Elsewhere across the country, winds
:24:33. > :24:35.fairly light with the best of the sunshine in the South West.
:24:36. > :24:40.That's all for now, I'll hand you back to Gordon in the studio.
:24:41. > :24:42.Both campaigns have targeted 16 and 17-year-olds voting for
:24:43. > :24:49.But what questions do young people feel have been left unanswered?
:24:50. > :24:52.Well, I'm joined by a group from our Generation 2014 project - James,
:24:53. > :24:55.who is an undecided voter, Amina, who is voting "yes", and Natalie,
:24:56. > :25:05.You chose quite a good morning to come in! It's all happening. James,
:25:06. > :25:10.you're undecided. What have you made a developer is overnight? They've
:25:11. > :25:14.been really interesting. I personally don't go under the same
:25:15. > :25:18.banner of undecided now. I'm unconvinced.
:25:19. > :25:24.Both sides have good points and quite bad points that may be need to
:25:25. > :25:28.be addressed more but I think this new surge in the poll saying that
:25:29. > :25:33.the yes side is now in the lead has may made people's ears prick up a
:25:34. > :25:39.bit and people might say, wait a minute... I'm furious. Would you be
:25:40. > :25:43.influenced by the fact that there is a surge in the polls for one surge
:25:44. > :25:47.or the other. If it's about arguments that you are unconvinced,
:25:48. > :25:52.would you catch the bug? If there was a big move into yes, would you
:25:53. > :25:57.think, I'll just go with that? I wouldn't make my own decision just
:25:58. > :26:02.based on anybody else. I would pay attention to it, to people's
:26:03. > :26:05.arguments why there has been a surge towards the yes side, so there may
:26:06. > :26:11.have been developed that I haven't heard of yet, just by chance. So it
:26:12. > :26:14.might have been that they've come up with a new argument that might
:26:15. > :26:17.really interest me. I'm into the arts. There might be something about
:26:18. > :26:21.job opportunities or training opportunities in the arts. That's
:26:22. > :26:24.something that has been spoken about that much, but maybe that's the
:26:25. > :26:32.reason why there has been such a surge. Natalie, what have you made
:26:33. > :26:35.of it? I'm not sure I'm any clearer about what it is that George Osborne
:26:36. > :26:40.and Alistair Carmichael are proposing between them but what is
:26:41. > :26:44.your sense? You want to vote no but you busy with the think that the
:26:45. > :26:48.campaign is in a bit of trouble. Not really. We're talking about a 2%
:26:49. > :26:53.difference and it is in the two present margin of error, so I don't
:26:54. > :26:57.think there should be that big a panic about the fact that it has
:26:58. > :27:02.gone slightly in the yes campaign's favour. Maybe the better together
:27:03. > :27:09.campaign just need to up their game a bit. But apart from that... Can
:27:10. > :27:11.you think of what they could do to up their game because presumably
:27:12. > :27:18.they're getting as many people out on the street as they can, like the
:27:19. > :27:22.yes campaign. What should they do? Maybe they should try targeting
:27:23. > :27:26.different people because I'm actually not... Maybe there has been
:27:27. > :27:31.a lot not aware of anything that has been targeted at the 16 and
:27:32. > :27:37.17-year-olds who are voting. There's quite a lot of us and it's worth
:27:38. > :27:45.targeting us because a lot of us are still undecided, like James, or
:27:46. > :27:48.unconvinced, and... Spit white he's created a whole new polling
:27:49. > :27:55.category! Amina, you're going to vote yes. Presumably you like the
:27:56. > :27:59.polls. Do you find anything attractive in what George Osborne or
:28:00. > :28:02.Alistair Carmichael is saying? They're going to come with a plan
:28:03. > :28:07.that should and give Scotland lots more powers so you don't have to
:28:08. > :28:10.vote yes - you can vote no and things will change. I think on the
:28:11. > :28:17.yes side, their plans for what would happen have not been outlined but
:28:18. > :28:22.having more devolved powers such as Scotland staying in the union, they
:28:23. > :28:27.are just promises to try and encourage... Obviously, the yes side
:28:28. > :28:31.have gone up by lot now in all the recent polls and I think the people
:28:32. > :28:36.on the side of the union are trying to give you all these things just to
:28:37. > :28:43.put people away from the idea of being in an independent Scotland and
:28:44. > :28:47.I don't think it's going to happen. You've told us which way you are all
:28:48. > :28:53.inclining Ann Jones has come up with a new category and I'm curious now,
:28:54. > :28:56.Amina, about whether you think the way in which this debate has been
:28:57. > :29:01.conducted is actually meaningful to younger people. James has already
:29:02. > :29:03.hinted at some things that he thinks should have been taught about which
:29:04. > :29:08.haven't been. What is your sense of that? Like James, I'm involved in
:29:09. > :29:12.traditional music and I'm interested in the arts and I don't think that's
:29:13. > :29:17.been outlined so it could have been in the White Paper, stuff to do with
:29:18. > :29:20.the arts and Gaelic music and culture which hasn't been talked
:29:21. > :29:26.about in this debate very well. As far as targeting young people, the
:29:27. > :29:30.Yes Scotland campaign have done a much better job than the Better
:29:31. > :29:36.Together campaign. What is your sense, Natalie? You've told us you
:29:37. > :29:41.want to vote no but do you think young people are being engaged by
:29:42. > :29:46.the way in which the politicians are conducting the debate? Well, yes. I
:29:47. > :29:54.know many people who have watched the big debating with Alex Salmond
:29:55. > :29:57.and Alistair Darling... I'm sorry to interrupt you. We've had a slight
:29:58. > :30:01.technical problem and we're at the end of the programme. Thanks for
:30:02. > :30:04.joining us. We'll be back next week.